Wrestlers Who Were Only World Champs Because Of The Brand Split

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  • @andremorgan3653
    @andremorgan3653 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Let's be honest, under wwe the world title was a secondary belt at best it was a consolation prize. The only period of time it had great significance was during the early years of the ruthless aggression era specifically 2002-2005 and that was only because triple h held it and he was the top guy at the time. By the time the brand split was over the significance of the belt was watered down and was mostly used on mid carders, they were actually considering putting the belt on Santino at one point and I'm not knocking anyone of course, I loved Santino I was a huge fan of his work, just he wasn't world champion material in my eyes and the fact that they were close to making that decision made me know how vince truly felt about the title.

    • @vampirascoffin870
      @vampirascoffin870 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And not even having HHH win it so many times killed it

  • @benespinosa6725
    @benespinosa6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    King Booker was a great gimmick anyone Remember that Backstage Segment with Cryme tyme Sharmell and Johnathan Coachman Booker T getting his wallet stolen and Booker breaking character was the icing on the cake that was absolutely hilarious it's like Booker had a split personality 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @WickedCool23
      @WickedCool23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s actually my favorite King Booker moment

    • @benespinosa6725
      @benespinosa6725 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WickedCool23 same here Ron 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @WickedCool23
      @WickedCool23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@benespinosa6725 “ AW NAW, HELL NAW! YOU BETTER GET THEY BLACK ASSES BACK IN HERE, COACH!!!”
      😂😂😂I was dead

    • @jaycerrito3142
      @jaycerrito3142 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If Booker never left in 2007, I bet he would've dropped the King Booker gimmick and reverted back to his original Booker T gimmick

    • @claymathewselevator8121
      @claymathewselevator8121 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love that he came back in 2016 for Smackdown 900 to talk to the Smackdown tag team division

  • @Thecallmemisterajp
    @Thecallmemisterajp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I could see Rob getting it. The company seemed behind him in 01 when he was working with Austin (to the extent that I remember reports that Heyman of all people thought they might have been pushing him too hard, plus I remember him having good chemistry with Taker, and the company seemed to be building to something bigger between them until Taker went to SD. Plus with no split, Taker and HHH are sharing a locker room, which I think might act as a check to the Reign of Terror and perhaps give Rob and others like him more of a fighting chance.

  • @danielhess1082
    @danielhess1082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Daniel Bryan's World Heavyweight title reign is arguable too. Remember that it was his losing that title that caused the Yes Movement.
    JBL being WWE Champion was also, allegedly, the result of there being no other heel challengers for Eddie Guerrero. Brock Lesnar had just left, Kurt Angle was inactive as a wrestler (he was named the smackdown GM shortly after Wrestlemania XX) and Big Show was out with an injury. They didn't want to do a program of Eddie vs Undertaker. And Triple H "didn't want to work Tuesdays" as Paul Heyman so eloquently put it.

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Booker T vs Stone Cold in the grocery store was hilarious

  • @FigWidIt
    @FigWidIt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    King Booker was way too entertaining to not go over. Going all in on the King of the Ring gimmick isn’t easy to pull off as we saw with WWE trying to recreate that magic with King Sheamus, King Wade Barret, and later King Corbin.

    • @brandonyouth5241
      @brandonyouth5241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gotta love the name of King Bookah's theme

  • @mrarcade2504
    @mrarcade2504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This was actually a really fun video. Loving all the gimmicks it really brings personality to the list and discussions. Keep it up Dave

  • @BoogalooBartholomew
    @BoogalooBartholomew 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Regarding the Radicalz; Benoit was always the main eventer of the group. So, in a world where there is never a second world champion the odds are Benoit gets the title before Eddie.

    • @phantomdriver2010
      @phantomdriver2010 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Eddie would still get a world title at some point but it'd probably be for a shorter time. They put him over Brock so clearly they had some trust in the guy

  • @NickelCitySaint
    @NickelCitySaint 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The line was right there. "You're only works e champion because HHH didn't want to work Tuesdays" Paul Heyman to JBL.
    Well done though

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I remember when they had all the champions in the ring for the ascension thing where they raised both belts for Orton vs Cena and wondering why Jack Swagger was there and remembering he was a world heavyweight champion

    • @vincedelvalle9190
      @vincedelvalle9190 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      which show was this? is there a yt vid for this?

    • @claymathewselevator8121
      @claymathewselevator8121 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vincedelvalle9190 2013 Slammys

    • @brandonyouth5241
      @brandonyouth5241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@claymathewselevator8121 lol great memory. Me myself also forgot that there's actually 3 men MiTB winners in 2010

  • @stevegallo8483
    @stevegallo8483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I agree with you on Christian. We have to remember that Vince didn't like Christian's face and had considered blocking it out on television, so no way would he have put the WWF/E title on Captain Charisma if there was only one belt.

    • @brandonyouth5241
      @brandonyouth5241 ปีที่แล้ว

      Put a blue dot on his face. That's good sh*t pal

    • @stevegallo8483
      @stevegallo8483 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brandonyouth5241 Plus Vince had Austin on TV calling Christian "CLB" aka Creepy Little Bastard.

    • @brandonyouth5241
      @brandonyouth5241 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevegallo8483 poor Christian

  • @kamikaze3510
    @kamikaze3510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When I was a kid I created a scenario in Smackdown vs Raw 06 where there was only 1 world title. So at Wrestlemania 21 Batista would beat HHH and then got injured like in real life. Cena would won at the Elimination Chamber and Edge would cash in like in real life. I kept this until Wrestlemania 23 where I made Batista vs Cena for the championship, I really think that would be the likely scenario if WWE only had one belt.

  • @KastleKrossface
    @KastleKrossface 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think I'll keep them both. This one spins!

  • @onthaticeburgess109
    @onthaticeburgess109 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    from 2012-2013 the world heavyweight championship was basically a glorified mid card belt because it was the championship secondary babyface/ heels won like Sheamus in 2012 and dolphin Ziegler 2013

  • @OliveMule
    @OliveMule 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I actually liked the king booker I also liked booker calling Vince from the bingo hall

  • @savagedarksider5934
    @savagedarksider5934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like JBL wwe title reign.

  • @DoctorProfessorPablo
    @DoctorProfessorPablo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the moment the WHC became a “mid card belt” was when Swagger won it. I’m speaking about my opinion but the belts lineage suggests so as well.

  • @johndonald9239
    @johndonald9239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When was the first time Vacant successfully retained any title in pro wrestling? The earliest I can think of is Judgment Day 1998 against Undertaker and Kane.

  • @babyfaceaviator7862
    @babyfaceaviator7862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Disagree, Mark Henry still feuded with Randy Orton for the WHC, though I think it started the decline of the WHC's prestige. When Sheamus, Big Show, Christian, Daniel Bryan, Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler were World Champs, it did feel like midcard B Plus players were the top guys.

  • @RegularTrent
    @RegularTrent 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The two marks voice that kept interrupting you in between segments was kind of annoying. I think you should limit that to just one or two entries in a list like this. That's just my personal opinion

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree they are annoying and I usually do keep it to just one or two per episode. But I felt the need to really hammer home their purpose in this video since I was preemptively anticipating certain kinds of comments

  • @ohlord3650
    @ohlord3650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    King Booker was a fantastic gimmick and was the most entertaining he ever was in WWE.

  • @Latino_Lariat
    @Latino_Lariat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The voices. They’re becoming aware 😳😳

  • @stingrey1571
    @stingrey1571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    pretty much everyone in the smackdown six (except angle).

  • @MrQdiddy85
    @MrQdiddy85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally someone else that feels Booker T should be taken more serious

  • @vampman87
    @vampman87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    From all the documentaries I've seen on TH-cam, RVD was being set up to be just as big a superstar as Edge or John Cena when he won the WWE title. It was rumored that he was going to have a pretty decent reign, perhaps a half year with the title, but his arrest for possession caused Vince to completely kill his push and drop his title to Edge.

  • @diesel101raw
    @diesel101raw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Paul Heyman said it Perfect "The only reason u were WWE Champion for a Year. Is because Triple H didn't wanna work Tuesdays"

  • @DAHARRISHERE
    @DAHARRISHERE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I CAN'T GIVE YOU SHEAMUS SORRY

  • @faw9148
    @faw9148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The whc kind of downgraded to ic title level by the time the brand split wasn’t strictly adhered to. It became more of a test run for a “real” WWE championship reign .

  • @vampman87
    @vampman87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I disagree with your opinion on Mark Henry. Mark is a very big guy, and, even though he's a bit cumbersome, so was Sid, who was WWE Champion TWICE during his tenure, even though he didn't really do much. I could totally see Mark getting the WWE title but only holding it for less than a month before dropping it to a babyface, most likely John Cena. Mark was a monster during his heyday, so I clearly see him becoming yet another guy that Cena would need to "beat the odds" to get the belt for the 12th or 13th time.

  • @JohnCena2011
    @JohnCena2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    most of the wrestlers on this list deserved to be world champion (and have better runs) so my point stands that in WWE's post-attitude era climate, the brand split and 2 world champions is necessary. now more than ever i think. the only positive of having one champion right now is that the WWE is doing a good job of elevating both midcard belts.

  • @eliarbaiza
    @eliarbaiza ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like u weren't a big Cena fan. Personally I think he deserved all the championships he got, he was amazing, one of the greatest superstars in WWE history. I never understood why so many fans booed Cena when he was a face. I always marked out for him big-time!

    • @yourdagan
      @yourdagan ปีที่แล้ว

      Smarks prefer heels.

  • @CGaboL
    @CGaboL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just wonder if there not being a second belt could've prevented Goldberg from winning it (and subsequently become the awful nostalgia act he is today).
    Just saying if Paul Heyman was still in creative and managed to get his way, Brock would've kept the belt until at least No Way Out (maybe even WrestleMania XX) and drop it to either Guerrero, Benoit, Angle or even Triple H depending on how they would've done the "Evolution implodes" storyline. I'm assuming that Brock and Bill would still be on their way out of WWE in this scenario.

  • @tommylovesstuff
    @tommylovesstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video. Totally agreed with the “world title was treated like the IC title” at the time. 👍🏾
    But Over half the entries had some kinda thing someone “might” say in the comments so…Maybe turn the comments off on the videos if they’re getting to you this much …
    Keep up the great work Dave

  • @thomashenley1903
    @thomashenley1903 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eddie Guerreo or Chris Benoit? If WWE had only one world championship at that time, it would have been Eddie Guerreo. Eddie was better on the mic, and WWE would push Eddie for the Hispanic market

  • @Filmation77
    @Filmation77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always called the "World Title The Smackdown Title. And SD was its own Universe in my mind and because SD was always seen as the "B" show whatever that actually means. And also RVD is f##ing Overrated. Yeah I said it.

  • @nomaamguyplusseinfeldandco2870
    @nomaamguyplusseinfeldandco2870 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd say Eddie Guerrero would've been WWF World Champion if the WWF only had 1 World Championship because Vince saw more potential in Eddie because of his technical skills, good on the mic, charisma, and connection with the fans, especially the Latin demographic he was bringing compared to Chris Benoit who was a good wrestler but bad on the mic and no charisma.

  • @ronniemckinney6808
    @ronniemckinney6808 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this list. I look at the old WWE Raw World heavyweight title as a "second chance championship". There are some of these wrestlers that only won this title and not the other , the Smackdown! WWE World title. I really don't see it as a terrible idea, but actually a great one. Even when they relaunched ECW, I thought it was okay. I think they should've kept Raw and Smackdown! belts on their respective brands. I think it kept both shows more interesting and entertaining.

  • @brandonyouth5241
    @brandonyouth5241 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whichever world title that was on Raw , that's the real #1 belt. Even that short period where both world titles were on Raw around 2005, Cena's belt was considered a secondary up til Batista left for SmackDown and brought a world title with him; then Cena's title was treated like a real #1 belt.
    Poor Dave. Those voices are so damn savage. Cut the dude some slack lol

  • @jameswhite7173
    @jameswhite7173 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's look at this another way who didn't win the WHC that was deserving of it. My answer...Wade Barrett who by the way could go down in history as the only guy to be the leader of not 1, but 2 factions and never became WHC. Aside from him no one else deserved it and the WWE missed the boat, could've been 1 helluva run

  • @ReaperRedeemer2112
    @ReaperRedeemer2112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Considering how he was booked every time that he held a world title, I don't think that Rey Mysterio would have been given the honors if there was only one world title in the company.

    • @slibertas1996
      @slibertas1996 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rey was gonna get the belt regardless. He was on the rise before Eddie passed

  • @twilliamspro
    @twilliamspro ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave Could you do this idea in reverse
    Guys who Would have been champion had there been two titles at times when there was only 1. Who might have been Champion 2 during the hogan era etc

  • @just_gut
    @just_gut ปีที่แล้ว

    I always viewed the WWE run of the Big Gold Belt as what the IC Belt should have been. Triple H could have elevated the IC title instead of feeling the need to also be World Champ when they did the brand split. Instead, he devalued the Big Gold Belt at the end of it's run in the business.

  • @jdfromnyisgod1789
    @jdfromnyisgod1789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wrestlers who were only champions because papa h didn’t want to work on Tuesdays

  • @tobiasmick4441
    @tobiasmick4441 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn’t say Sheamus is up for debate. He literally won a World title, when there only was 1 World title, so he shouldn’t be on the list

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They teased a Shelton Benjamin Jack Swagger feud after Swagger won title and walks past and says maybe they should call me The Gold Standard

  • @phantomdriver2010
    @phantomdriver2010 ปีที่แล้ว

    The pessimistic side of me thinks that Khali would've got a title run with 2 brands or not

  • @dwaynejpeterkin
    @dwaynejpeterkin ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly John cena wouldn’t have won the world title if there was one world title as Batista was really hot and he’s holding it for awhile cena would of only won it if Batista gets injured like before and if there was one brand cena wouldn’t last as evolution would of buried cena in 2003 if there was one brand

    • @danielcody874
      @danielcody874 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah i agree. I could see cena getting the belt in 06 and dropping it to edge and rvd that year

  • @CarlosLopez-oi1xx
    @CarlosLopez-oi1xx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The world title lost its the meaning the second Edge retired

  • @ericthomas1513
    @ericthomas1513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Miz...

  • @markmagician2471
    @markmagician2471 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about Triple H? Since he was the 1st World Heavyweight champion?

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  ปีที่แล้ว

      He was a multiple time world champion before that ever happened

  • @slibertas1996
    @slibertas1996 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eddie and Chris was inevitable.

  • @oliverl.5834
    @oliverl.5834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like how you anticipate stupid comments. I do wonder however, if it really prevents them. As always and instant like, btw. ;)

    • @oliverl.5834
      @oliverl.5834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OK, just reached the moment when you answered that.

  • @nicholashurst780
    @nicholashurst780 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hate to say Rey Mysterio but I think he'd at least have been limited to super short transitional reigns at best

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  ปีที่แล้ว

      I did consider him, but his high merch sales I think would probably have given him a chance with it

  • @markmagician2471
    @markmagician2471 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly being a 5x WCW Champion isn't really anything to be proud of that title got passed around to everyone even a non wrestler celebrity David Arquette

  • @MangyStray
    @MangyStray 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never minded the brand split but two championships just dilute the importance of the heavyweight title. Just give us one full time champion for both shows and give the US and intercontinental titles the time to shine on each brand

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I completely agree that it waters down the value of the belt

  • @diesel101raw
    @diesel101raw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Eddie Guerrero wudda beat HHH for the WWE Champion at WM XX. #1 Brock Lesnar was gonna leave the WWE anyway and #2 who else at the time ?

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The All American American

  • @erickennedy3322
    @erickennedy3322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You World Champion , your World Champion , not their fault WWE cannot never will, get brand spilt right. Think RVD could of been stand alone champ. Shamus too , but Rey na!!

  • @renafan3333
    @renafan3333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Booker T would have gotten it eventually,maybe not when he did but he was so popular Vince wouldn't have ignored that. He would have been one of the people to beat John Cena. The same with Eddie And RVD. JBL was so HATED as a heel I think eventually him too,even if to just make dropping it to whoever get more of a pop. Great Khali? Vince with big guys? Come On?

  • @officielEP
    @officielEP 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Sheamus wins in any case, seeing that he won it multiple times and had good runs. The others I could understand but no way Sheamus never got a reign even if it was just one title

  • @Masia_210
    @Masia_210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Paul Heyman said "The only reason you're WWE Champion is because Triple H didn't want to work Tuesdays" So I feel like JBL is the most unlikely in the whole list😂

  • @johnnyphesto1247
    @johnnyphesto1247 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Guerrero Benoit bit is interesting, because it kinda makes you question the entire title scene of the time. Like, Benoit and Cena became rivals trying to unseat Brock, but if there’s only one title, does Brock have it, or is the reign of terror in full swing? full blown babyface Brock vs Evolution, or does Evolution not exist with Triple H not in the title picture as much?

  • @Zach-gq9cw
    @Zach-gq9cw ปีที่แล้ว

    I honestly think that RVD still would have won because of the money in the Bank. He was super popular as well.
    Also how long was he supposed to hold it if he didn't get arrested?

  • @AzraelDarkness64Gaming
    @AzraelDarkness64Gaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that it are we going to get a Dive knows wrestling and please I hope one of them dimensions have ECW still going in one of those multiverses

  • @zacspivey1185
    @zacspivey1185 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    RVD was one of the best acts coming out of the the invasion, I think that they would have eventually put the belt on him. I would replace him with Rey mysterio

  • @MrDp115
    @MrDp115 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Dave maybe consider making similar vids for the women, midcard and tag teams as well. Theres definitely some title reigns that unfortunately (and fortunately) wouldn't have happened.
    Also please give the interrupters stunners, they're rude af.

  • @shararm
    @shararm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the grocery store fight but I was also 8 at the time so my experience with booker t is very different than older people

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hall Of Pain Mark Henry was great

  • @naheemquattlebaum2267
    @naheemquattlebaum2267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's crazy how many wrestlers were affected by Cena's reigns in one way or another.

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea looking back at it in retrospect and you can really see how he always had his thumb in the pie

  • @rayhoyer4829
    @rayhoyer4829 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sadly number 11 Kane😔

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He already won it in 1998

    • @rayhoyer4829
      @rayhoyer4829 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DaveKnowsWrestling true though I don't really count that one

  • @claymathewselevator8121
    @claymathewselevator8121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved King Booker

  • @iamtriston666
    @iamtriston666 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened with Swagger exactly?

  • @korywilliamsO.G.1
    @korywilliamsO.G.1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rey Mysterio and Mr. Kennedy come to mind.

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr Kennedy never won it so that would be something

    • @seanmcgrath3826
      @seanmcgrath3826 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another who comes to my mind is Jeff Hardy, as he had been in TNA & Vince is known to hold grudges against "defectors"

    • @korywilliamsO.G.1
      @korywilliamsO.G.1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DaveKnowsWrestling I stand corrected. I thought he won the Wold title in some stupid gimmick match on Smackdown and was declared the champ and lost it back like 30 second later in the same match then I realized that it was Brian "Spanky" Kendrick.

  • @chrishollister80
    @chrishollister80 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's be honest, Booker T was one of the most overrated guys in WWE over the past 20 years.

    • @DaveKnowsWrestling
      @DaveKnowsWrestling  ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't possibly see how you arrived at that conclusion. It's almost as if "overrated" and "let's be honest" are empty statements that don't provide actual insight and can be applied to anything. Booker is not the most decorated wrestler and nor does he appear very highly on rankings list by WWE. So where exactly has he been overly rated as you say?

  • @imjusslikeabitch
    @imjusslikeabitch ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved king booker