5 Myths About Speedlights / Small Flash
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Flash is the weakest part of my photography, so love your videos. Very helpful! Thanks
Thanks for checking them out glad they are helpful
I’ll never forget the first time I saw you bounce a flash from a handheld reflector (which I still constantly add and remove the Lastolite Halo to my cart). You and Daniel really show what speed lights can do!
It’s a great piece of gear changed a lot for me but yea def in the higher price side For me I use it more becusse it’s always sure to be on me so makes it more with while. Just gotta gauges what’s worth it for you. Thanks for sticking around we appreciate it
Having the right tool for the right job is alway the way to go. Flexible ways to have light you might need is knowing the you have in your bag just I case. Nice job Seth. 2 thumbs ☝
The most amazing advice for me is first to utilize flash photography for my models, who I paint for my fine art drawings and paintings. You and Daniel are such a huge influence on me. Every painter should master flash photography and that is my goal one day.
I had the good fortune to get my first photography job in 1972 assisting the Monte Zucker, the photographer who introduced using dual flash “speedlights” for weddings in a very well thought out systematic approach in which one Graflex flash head was attached via a bracket with center of flash head about 16” above the lens for Fill and an identical photo-cell triggered Graflex flash was mounted on a rolling modified medical IV pole and used as Key light.
One of primary technical goals in wedding and event photography is to record a full range of tonal detail from the beadwork on the bride dress to the folds in the groom tux A key over fill lighting pattern makes it possible to record the full tonal range by controlling the key: fill lighting ratio. With the negative film we were using a ratio in which key was one f/stop brighter than the fill produced a full range print. That is a 2 key : 1 key (2:1) incident and 2 key + 1 fill : 1 fill (3:1) reflected lighting ratio. For a “softer” look key and fill would be used at the same distance/strength for a 1:1 incident / 2:1 reflected ratio with key light overlapping the centered “neutral” (creating no shadows) fill.
We used fixed focal length cameras which required changing shooting distances for different crops. Because of the inverse square law the intensity of flash changes distance similar to how f/stop number increments change exposure. Realizing this Monte devised a simple system for adjusting exposure with flash simple: systematically shooting the various crops from 16, 11, 8, and 5.6 feet. Moving from 11 to 8 feet we would also close the aperture, which had click stops, from f/8 to f/11 to keep the flash exposure the consistent.
Lighting ratio between the Fill light on the bracket over the camera and Key light on the stand was also controlled by distance using the inverse-square law. If shooting from 11ft the key light would be placed 8ft from the center of faces. If moving into 8ft for a tighter crop the off camera flash would be rolled to 5.6 ft (distances estimated by eye, paces and experience) with aperture closed an f/stop to maintain the same exposure and 3:1 “as seen by eye” reflected ratio. It sounds complicated but it only required remembering four aperture and key light distances settings for shooting from 16, 11, 8 and 5.6 feet for the various crops. If shooting from 11ft placing the key light on the rolling stand at 8ft produced the desired 2:1 incident key:fill ratio which because of how key overlaps fill is a 1 fill + 1 key : 1 fill = 3:1 reflected ratio.
The aesthetic goal in wedding and event photography is flattering the subjects and Monte did that by capturing precise facial angles - full face / oblique / clean profile - with “short” i.e. Rembrandt pattern created very easily by placing the off camera flash on the rolling stand so it was 45° to the far side of the nose and 35-40° above the eyes while shooting “candid” photos of wedding ceremony and reception events. Flash wasn’t used during the ceremony but posed on the altar afterwards along with wedding party group photos. My first job as his assistant was moving around the key light based the angle to the faces and the distance he was shooting from.
A mistake most beginners with artificial lighting make is the placement of the fill. Part of what mades artificial lighting natural looking is that it duplicates the shadow patterns and shadow values perceived by eye in natural light which has ONE sun and causes the nose and other facial features to case ONE shadow with the reflected sunlight from the sky creating wrap around fill.
The noob assumption that fill needs to be placed on the opposite side from the key light creates a pattern of two crossed shadows from the nose and areas on the face like the mouth and smile lines where fill light gets shaded causing very dark and distracting shadow voids on the face. Placing the fill on the camera axis and above the lens causes the shadow the fill flash creates to fall down out of sight of the camera lens which eliminates those dark unfilled areas. Creating the illusion of “hard” and “soft” in with a lighting pattern is primarily a function of how light or dark the shadows are made via the lighting ratio. If wanting a “softer” look with flash moving key and fill to the same distance from the face (1:1 incident / 2:1 reflected) will make the lighting perceptually softer in both the shadows and the highlight-to-shadow transitions even with direct unmodified flash.
The main benefit of adding diffusion to speed lights is that it changes the character of the specular reflections faces - something mentioned here - which are one of the clues the brain uses when deciding how “hard” vs “soft” or “natural” vs “artificial. The position of the specular highlights on 3D objects is also a clue the brain uses to determine if lighting is “natural” or “artificial”. Flash on camera looks artificial because the specular reflections it creates are very near the camera axis. That is the reason for using a flash bracket to raise the fill flash. That is done not only to create a downward pattern of shadows but more importantly to put the specular highlights the flash creates occur higher (and more naturally) on faces and all other 3D objects.
There’s no rule which dictates lights must always be placed that way but if the goal is a natural appearance of faces and other objects logically you want the artificial sources to cast their shadows and create their specular lights similar to natural lighting: never seeing a fill source shadow and having the key light hit objects from a downward angle of around 45°.
When I switched to Canon E-TTL flash in 2005 I used the same techniques from light placement - bracket and rolling stand - and found the same 3:1 reflected ratio produced a full range of tone, but since the A group was Master and Fill the Master / Slave ratio setting needed to be A:B = 1:3 or 1:2 when wanting a perceptually softer look. I did a lot of experimenting with DIY flash diffusers and found that for event shooting the most practical one was a scoop style reflector created with sheets “fun foam” and I taught others how to make them on photo forums in the mid- 2000s. As noted the greatest benefit of adding a small diffuser to a speed light isn’t diffusion of the shadows but rather making the specular highlight clues more diffuse and “softer” looking.
I bought a bunch of Nikon SB80DX speedlights about 8 to 10 years ago. Each was about 70,- Euros or something crazy like that and I only use them strobist style. These things are great and outright refuse to die. They can be fired on center pin, have a sync port and optical slave. I have them running on eneloops that are in some cases almost as old as the flashes. I wouldn't use them as main lights all the time but as a kicker, a splash of color, hidden in the back or in a lamp ... Speedlights are awesome! Everyone should have a few.
Glad you give props to on camera flash. I shot for years fashion, and would get a lot of request for ring flash and on camera flash. It brings the viewer right into the picture. I love running a grid and backlighting a couple of speed lights. Profoto definitely has the best speed lights out there.
The intro of this video always cracks me up bc I own one single low end strobe that I use only when I NEED another light. Speedlights are my go to
The speedlight is often underestimated
Thank you for making this video. Highly recommended for all beginner photographers. There is so much misinformation on social media these days. I have seen photographers knock out some amazing work using $60 speedlights.
Whatever gets it done. You got the shot. Ya got the shot.
Yourself and Daniel got me into using strobes with your tutorials, and speedlights were a great way to get started without spending a lot of money up front. Great video as always 👍
Thank you so much
I bought Godox' cheapest speedlite the TT520II. I'm blown away by the value of this is given that at about 30 dollars (1,800 pesos here in the Philippines), it comes with a wireless transmitter straight out the box. So you can start delving in off-camera flash immediately. It wasn't possible to buy something like this 5 years ago! I own two now and I use them side by side with my studio strobes.
Great explanation Seth!! I am going to start using my speed lights a bit more !!
I really enjoy your videos You're a great guy with an awesome personality. I just started to get back into photography I bought an icon Z9 and I bought a goadox AD600 and an AD200 and now I'm addicted and I also bought another AD600. Now I am going crazy and have gear acquisition syndrome and I'm buying all types of different modifiers. Would love to come over to your studio and pick pick up some Brooklyn reflectors. 😊. Thanks so much for sharing all of your experience with photography You're helping so many like me I also bought one c-stand after watching your video and then bought a second one but now I think my credit card needs a break. 😊😊
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Good video, once I started using my speedlights off camera with modifiers I realized I did not need studio strobes. They are more powerful than what you would think, compact and versatile.
Hey Seth,
You told a great story.
I haven't been busy with flash photography for long. I chose the cheap version in my case. A couple of Yongnuos with a transmitter. Right now it works for me. Top you confirmed it for me.
And thank you for your down to earth story you told you. I like it what you do: give your opinion very abrasive and yet just tell the truth.
I really appreciate that thank you. I know I’m not for everyone lol
If anyone still has an argument after that, then they just like to argue 🤷♂️😂
I love using my cheap arse speedlights while I’m still learning. I have had so much fun and getting fantastic results.
Great vid mate 👌
Have fun with them man !
@@LastXwitness Cheers mate.
I have become a BIG Seth fan. I can't afford the fancy lights he & Daniel have, BUT cheap old flashes work just fine for cheapskate amateurs like me. I have SB-800s for TTL, super cheap Yongnuo 560Mk3 manual power speedlites for radio triggering for location. Also, I have old Elinchrom Style 600S & 300S mains strobes for my home studio. My Elinchroms were all under £100 U.K. each. They will recycle almost instantaneously all day long, they were once premium models & are built like tanks and they are super easy to use. I even have the matching Elinchrom analogue cable remote units for them. (useful when the strobes are up at ceiling level.)😃
I have come to your channel after seeing you with @MattIrwinPhotography and @RicciTalks. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject. I was nodding in agreement with you for the whole video.
Ah cool thanks for checking my channel out glad you liked the vid appreciate the support 🙏
I have the eneloops with external pack Your right costs a bit and a pain to make sure they are all charged before a shoot .These new flashes with these compact batteries are a real game changer too .
great video. A great followup to this would be my top (insert number here) speed light modifiers.
Not a bad idea thank you
Great commentary, you get a lot out of a small amount of gear so long as people take the time to learn what can be accomplished with it. Thanks Seth and have a Good Weekend! 👍😀🇨🇦
Thanks as always Alan!
@@LastXwitness Most Welcome Seth.
Love your content, sir. I’ve accrued a bunch of speedlights; recently added some Flashpoint strobes. Always have a speedlight in the camera bag. Don’t ask a motorcycle to do what a pickup truck does 🤓👍
Thank you!
Thanks, Seth! I caught the Speedlite bug with the Nikon SB800's. Ended up scouring eBay and retail used departments for the SD-8 battery back-ups. Loved I could put them throughout a room during events, but replacing 13 AA's per unit was indeed time consuming and wasteful. Loving the single lithium-ion batteries, although not for Profoto gear. I've got champagne taste on a beer budget! Godox and Flashpoints, for now.
Yea I came up scouring garage sales for vivitar 283 & 285 flashes. Profoto took me a long road to get to but I never have to worry bout those lights but I also wouldn’t appreciate them so much otherwise
That was a great gear chat Seth. And, as always, your views are 100% on point in my opinion.
Appreciate that thanks Brad
Thank you for the video, I know it was posted one year ago and I am commenting now in Oct 2022. I bought a demo Profoto A1 for $500 just to try it and see if would later buy the A10, I am fully convince that is a much better speed light than the Godox A1 and the light is beautiful all day long in a wedding, it never changes the tone. So I am ready to invest more in the Profoto line 😁
Yea. I did a whole video on it. th-cam.com/video/r3SSS70nbqU/w-d-xo.html
And a video for the launch of the A10
th-cam.com/video/A_f06egkmT4/w-d-xo.html
I have 2 little Godox TT350N's, a remote trigger, and some inexpensive softboxes. More than enough for my modest strobe needs. I just need to get better at manipulating / shaping light to match my vision. Great tips here and on the Adorama channel (you, Gavin and Daniel are super helpful!)
Keep at it we’ve got plenty more vids for you to check out we appreciate it
I've got the same setup except I have umbrella instead of softbox. I also have the magmod system but not a huge fan of it
Excellent video Seth thanks!!
Thanks kid. !
Love your videos, and support however I can. Not a critique, but i laughed out loud when I read the video title knowing your past thinking. Hope this gets you a truckload if views.
Thanks kid
Thanks Seth, you have helped me with the decision making for my next light purchases. Two B10X Plus strobes to compliment my current B10's...
They are great lights I’m considering switching over from my B1x set up myself
That was very good, I have used lots of on camera flash and if I add it all up with batteries…..I spent a lot of money….even with recharging.
Yea rechargeable sets and chargers add up quick and you don’t want to waste $ on garbage ones. People don’t see that as an investment to itself
Great info as always! I've been using 6 Nikon SB-910s, each with their own PocketWizard FlexTT5 (6 batteries per combo) for some time now and it's worked quite well for me. It's the size, versatility, and the existence of modifiers that was the main draw for me, so I haven't gone the strobe route yet. I love the Profoto A1s and B10s that get used in your videos, but they're still out of my price range. :(
Yea I used 910s forever snd kept it mostly optical with the Nikon CLS system. Was good for the time but I love what I’m using these days
wish more people in the community will watch this video
Me too 😜
solid explanation as always!
Thanks kid
Great Video!
Spot On !!
In 2023, I've just got a Godox TT350s for my SonyA6000 off Amazon UK Its tiny. It has a guide number of 35. I can be used as a master or slave. It has 3 modes TTL, Full manual and Multi strobe. HSS up to 1/8000, zoom head 24 to 105mm. The usual pull out diffuser and bounce card, which drops the the zoom to 14mm. Full flash head moment. 180 degrees, front to back, then 270, around to the left. It comes with a diffuser protective cap case and flash stand. It cost £70 posted
Great job Seth!
Thanks bud
Enjoyed your talk - as a speedlite only guy Ive only used studio lights on a couple of occasions and have been considering many times inveting but my budget, small space, lack of storage, and the work im doing really doesnt need it i am able to produce the images I want, even from my budget Yongnuo speedlites I get grreat comments on the quality of light
Nice thanks for watching 🙏
Another thing people often overlook is zooming a speedlight. I'm always baffled when I'm at an event, zoom the flash, and then take a shot @ 200mm.
👍 Speedlights work as they were designed.
If someone says they don't have enough power, remind them that some photographers use a flashlight to light paint a subject.
Thanks, Seth
It’s true it’s not about power all the time. It’s about fidelity, duration and whatever else. Sorry I’m on no sleep
@@LastXwitness It's good to stay busy just don't burn out. seeing you pop up on other people's channels is great.
Great info as usual. Eh what is this weird thing you call the sun?
I have two Neewer flashes that I got for £80 from Amazon and it included the trigger and two recievers. Was on a shoot and a pro tog who had the top of the range Nikon ones said mine outflashed his and he went and got a set of four
Well said!👍🏾
Thanks so much
Excellent video Seth. If some folks don’t get it now…
Eh jsut sharing my POV
Speed talking on speed lights :) And people think I'm talking fast hahaha.
Anyway: you're on point again. Back in the days I've worked with speed lights because there were nog battery powered studioflashes. Speed lights could do a lot, but there were drawbacks. Like as you mentioned the battery life. But the most I had against the speed lights were the menus. I am a Canon shooter and worked a lot with their top flashes, to change something was/is always a struggle. I hated it. The later Nikon flashes (I've bought the SB-900 at a time as off camera flash for my Canon) were better in the UI, but still not very user friendly. And the last thing I want is to puzzle with my equipment, I want to focus on my light/subject. So when I could I've invested in the Profoto system. Love the B2, B10, B1x. And then came the A1(x). It tackled all the big problems I had with speed lights. Less batteries to carry with me, very user friendly and it fits perfect in my system. I use it on camera (for reportages/news) as off camera (portraits) and it saved my pictures a couple of times.
The speed light isn't dead, it's alive and kickin'!
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Nice, Seth!
Thanks Mike!
Thanks Seth.
Thank you
Good stuff Seth. Can you please do a video on your favorite or go to modifiers for speedlites ?
I mean I could… but pretty much any live speedlight demo I’ve done covers that to some degree but maybe I can do one about options over all..?
@@LastXwitness Yeah maybe a dedicated video is overkill but you tend to cover details not mentioned by other people. For example, in the recent Matthews light stand video, it was clear why you preferred it and why it was your go to over the years. For viewers that gives confirmation that 1) You've owned it for an extended period of time and tested it various conditions and travel situations 2) You covered specific details such as the fact that it doesn't have rivets and you can retighten parts if need be 3) Details about the trunk and thickness and how it differs from other similar looking "nano" type light stands..the list goes on.
Thanks Seth, I subscribed today after watching your video on "Lastolite By Manfrotto" channel about Lighting subjects and backgrounds. Thanks a million for that video because you touched upon a very important and critical aspect of lighting; that is how to light background , which is something missing in many videos by celebrety photographers. Either they simply mention 'added a background light to light it up' or something like that but not the math behind it like how the distance from the subject affects, calculating power in relation with the key light etc. Thanks again for inspiring photographers like me to learn and grow through your informative videos. And this video is again very useful because I bought a Godox TT685 to start with for outdoor shoots, as you rightly mentioned it doesn't enough power to overpower sun at 1/8000 highspeed sync (Even at full power) but quite adequate to use under shadow areas like under a tree or a building etc. I would have loved to see your take on Godox AD100 but you don't seem use Godox products or Flashpoint . Love from India.
You’ll never know how nice it is to get a comment like this so thank you for that and I’m glad that video was helpful! We often over look things we feel are a given but could easily use more explanation. I do own/use profoto for what I do but it’s not bout what you have it’s what works for you and accessible to you. As far as the AD100 I have used the flashpoint version when they first released it . I’ll say you’re going to have to use adapters to modify it and then watch the adapter don’t block the air vents and can’t speak much more than the short time I used the light. Something like the 200 seems a little more ideal for the price Anyways here’s the video I did for it thank you again for the kind words in a sea of troll comments these are the ones that stand out and are appreciated th-cam.com/video/ZZxHQ6TD1k0/w-d-xo.html
@@LastXwitness Thanks again. I watched the video and got to see your honest review which cleared many doubts I had. I do quite a bit of studio photography for Classical dancers in India with their costumes and have been using 250 watts basic flashes. I have been thinking for a while to upgrade to godox systems which I am able to control via triggers. AD100 pro was first thing I was considering as I often do the shoot at client's place. This one is easy to carry in the bag. Your review has been very useful.
And extra thanks for taking time reply my question, many don't bother. They expect us to chat with them on instagram. ( But they want me to like their video in youtube😀)
Keep in mind you’re not gaining much more power than a speedlight though and it may not stay super consistent color wise
Thanks, I understand.
Good video. You can do a lot with a speedlight and a plain white wall.
Very true
You beat me to event, fashion and wedding photography, they all use speedlights to some extent. You need to remember the inverse square law when it comes to power, get real close and you blind your model. great info as usual.👍
It’s a law for a reason…. Thanks for watching
great channel bro
Thank you so much
Unfortunately of what you use I can only afford that awesome Alien/Predator T Shirt (Real Cool). New to your channel but have seen you as a guest on others that I follow, I need to watch some of your other videos with speed lights. A general question do you use your speed lights in TTL mode and just adjust the power output from one flash to the other or do you set everything up in manual mode, also what brand speed lights have a modeling light capability to preview your results.
Legend!
Thanks for checking the vid out
This video is on point!
I was on a Vivitar 285 for many years then moved to a LumoPro LP 180 for may main speedlight which was a game changer. Today, we ( #strobist ) have even more options.
Yep I used to scavenge for 283’s and 285s anywhere I could find Em for years in the early days
@@LastXwitness Word! Me 2 still have my 285 and a 283 with the switched out knob to make it manual.
I use 3 (modern) speedlights for most of my shooting but have added my Vivitar 285 and 3900 a few times when I needed more lights.
I love the lithium ion batteries. I think that's the best way to go. It is worth getting an extra battery or something you can (I suppose that's possible) use to recharge from your car/power bank.
If you use it. Def worth going all in on lithium ion I even feel better not throwing out tons of batteries everytime I shoot or having to carry around ten tons of old school batteries
Just the fact that profoto is on their third iteration of speedlights shows their “pop”-ularity! (
Prove your proficiency In dad jokes…?
Hi Seth, thanks for all the great videos. I have the Halo. What are you using to connect it to the stand? And the flash as well? Thanks.
Never mind. I just got my answer on your articulating arm video. Perfect.
I need that Alien t-shirt
Alien and predator forever…
👍Even the budget equipment is superb these days and if only dealing with a few hobby shots good results can be achieved. I just have to try a bit harder 😂😂😂
Gear these days is just amazing and we can all do so much with it these days
If its not working, its your fault.... love it!!
I'm headed BACK to using speedlights because they are lighter and unless I need HSS, they provide plenty of power.
They have a lot of power till you’re shooting a situation you need more power but people count them out fast
Hey Seth, I’d love to see the bag you carry seven A10/A1X/A1’s in.
Check out the Think Tank Security V3. Carryon size. I have 4 -5 of them in there. Keep one in my back pack for on camera + trigger. And I keep one in my case of B1x’s in case I need an extra light to throw in somewhere when working with big lights
@@LastXwitness Thanks. I have four A1’s and I find I bring them more on shoot that my B10 Plus. They’re hard to travel with.
Think tank makes great cases I use that for flights but for fast jobs I use their logistics manager 30. And my big lights I keep in their Production manager 40 case which fits in any trunk
love it Bro, though I believe you missed one advantage of speedlights, that limited power makes for the ability to apply just a kiss of light when needed, something monolights are unable to do easily
Well I don’t actually find that to be true. In fact part of the advancement of monolights has been the dial down for example the B10 can go to a power that’s bascially “why bother mode” but you can if you wanted like some form of reflection of the actual light or whatever reason.. and since the lens on the light scatters the light so well you can get that subtle effect if you want . In fact setting a light like the b10 down to say 7-8 in power will get it to around what a speedlight is and you still have 7 stops to dial down further. But as far as position speedlights allow for on axis on camera fill light that you’ve seen me use relentlessly all over these videos
@@LastXwitness all something I have to wait and find out, though I'll take your word at it, still trying to gather the funds for an 850, to replace my dying 3100 :{) hard as hell to do when retired and living on SS
Did you use a green gel or led to color your video ??
Love this comment
I like them too
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Speed lights are a tool. One of many , I quit a group because they were so against on camera flash. You use what you have. From a reflector to a wall to speed lights, to a studio light.
Being against options for YOUR shots is ridiculous idk what to even say to that. Aren’t groups supposed to be supportive?
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I "don't like" speedlights because I can't use them properly and can't really seem to grasp how to use them the right way
not to long
Eh ya never know some people see a long run time and just won’t click
@@LastXwitness some people have a short attention span