A lot of people seemed to have missed the point. This wasn't a Gunwerks rifle. This was a video showing you how an off the shelf Remington 700 can be cleaned up a little and shoot well. He went slow and explained everything so most people can do what he did. Great video.
Also, if you watch part 4, you'll see him start to get more serious. It's sighted in and broke in a little. He takes it out to 950 yards and it's shooting 2.5 in groups at 500 yards. There are a lot of rifles out there that cost 3 times more and don't shoot any better.
First, yes my last name is Buckmaster. Some people have made comments. It’s a very old name. Anyway, I didn’t see anything wrong with what he did. He first changed out a trigger group I don’t much care for, with a more precise and reliable mechanism. He took a factory rifle on blocks and beaded the recoil lug a little more securely. He showed everyone how to lap out scope rings and level their scopes. He talked about breaking in the barrel. He mentioned bore sighting. From what I saw, the rifle almost certainly performs more accurately than out of the box. There are several more things that can be done to a factory rifle, but the point was to simply improve a factory rifle. For the purposes of taking game, it performed very well. If the shooter is proficient, that rifle will take game at the distance any A frame bullet will deliver terminal velocities to. The bullets retention of terminal velocities is what dictates the range of a rifle. Not counting the performance of the shooter. These little improvements are to facilitate a clean kill of the game animals it’s used to harvest. That is the most important goal. Also to enjoy yourself and the game taken.
Those sendero are great factory rifles. I had one in the original sf I model in 7mm rem mag. Half minute gun all day with certain factory ammo. Love the video series guys.
I usually do not like to give out shooting secrets. Learned this one from Carlos. Always shoot your 3 shot groups with a cold clean barrel. In other words do not shoot 3 consecutive shots then figure your scope settings. You have to remember when your hunting its that one shot you are going to make with a clean cold barrel.
I would avoid building those custom turrets and ballistics data until the bore has reached copper equilibrium and the action has fully settled in. Also, did you check headspace? Without a precise and consistent headspace you'll never get full potential (cold bore first shot hits) from the gun. It's not necessary, but I would have sent that barrel out for either A) threading for a break or B) recessed crown. Having a flat 90° on the muzzle and a (possibly) unknown crown angle will hold you back.
It's amazing how many experts are in here making comments on all the things he's doing wrong. seems like he's doing things well enough to get solid hits.
@Christopher Adams Owned one in 300WM, customized it myself (Timney trigger, AICS chassis). No barrel break in done (sorry, not buying that). With hand loaded ammo, correct seating depth I've shot consistent 0.38-.45 moa groups (min. 5 shot) at 100 meters and used it to do 1000, 1350 and 1650 meters with 185gr scenar and 200MK's. Sendero out of the box is excellent and a great rifle that get's you good results for a reasonable investment. So I agree with Christopher, at 1 MOA I would return it to the gun smith. If you're not producing sub 0,5 MOA shots, at the long range you're toast with all the added (wind) variations.
@Christopher Adams you think 1/4 moa grouping is better but in a lot of cases it's not watch a TH-cam clip with Ryan cleckner a former army sniper he says a rifle that shoots a 1 moa group is more then enough for long range he has seen guys shoot rifles with 1/4 groupings that couldn't even hit a 1000 yard target
@@jobson88 there is no factory made rifle companies that guarantee a shot group under sub moa which is a 1 inch group only custom made rifle companies can
Just noticed that they have barrel borescopes, which is basically a microscope to look down rifle barrels and trust me, even with brand new well known rifle barrel makers you would be so surprised on how badly the barrels are made, especially chrome moly barrels compared to stainless steel, so take care when cleaning and always get a pro gun barrel maker to check you barrels especially if you doing target competitions shooting ?
Jean. He couldn't get it to 80FT LBS by using the Wheeler F.A.T. wrench. The most the wrench will torque to is just above 60 INCH LBS. He showed the Wheeler kit he was using earlier. Same one I have.
Around 2:00 he seems to be reaching into the action to get the spent case out! Is there no ejector? Typically the case wants to jump out as soon as the case mouth clears the action! LOL!
This is the time when you needed to check feeding. Barrel break-in is when we need to find out if this gun has feeding issues since most of the precision work you will use single loading. Hunt day in the field miles from town is not the time to find out we have real world feeding issues.
carlo cuppone I agree clear and simple, but perhaps if the excuse part was taken out, it would be a better show. Great info! Hands down, up in to the point excuses were made while he was shooting. But then again what do I know. 18Charlie/Sapper
When i broke in my AR-15 barrel all i did was shoot rounds through it no cleaning it till i cleaned the AR still accurate as long as im aiming at my target
We all have our preferred way to do things I guess but working a decent handload for this rifle would bring it down to 1/2 moa. Most likely. Their decent guns for a box rifle I have one that runs a ragged hole but it took finding the right bullet seating depth powder and bullet ..
been watchin was doin some dis akurising me not smart like uther fellas no movies you got it down, truncated barrel nice but no advantage you knew that cheers
great videos you guys make, but i thought with that style night force scope you had to take the caps off and loosen the 4 clutch screws to "rezero" the scope. maybe I'm wrong. I'm young and only a few years into the long range shooting game lol. Can anybody share any wisdom here?
The scope manufacturer isn't willing to pay for a plug. Just goes to show you where the industry as a whole has gone. It's all about the money! People with means who dont have time to enjoy a ethical hunt buy rigs to shoot long range, and there are firearms manufacturers who build rifles for these people, at a cost. I use a 257wby Vanguard topped with a Nikon 4x12 BDC reticle and shoot Barnes 100gr ttsx bullets for everything that walks. 600yds is my limit if the conditions are right. In short, I like to hunt and get close. To each his own!
I also don't see the need for the grief. This was a factory budget rifle with a few tweeks that can make it as a long range rifle. Already, with the bedding and light trigger, shooting slightly less than 1 inch at 100 yards. In the Army, that qualifies as a rifle good for long range. Snipers are not trying pierce ear lobes at 1000 yards, that is all Hollywood. What snipers in the military do is get 220 grains of "stop it!" into a 20 inch x 12 inch target at 600 yards. At 600 yards, this rifle might have a 6 inch drift. On a 20 x 12 target, that is a hit. A deer has a zone of heart and lungs that is about an 8 in pie plate midway between the shoulder blade and the chest line. Not many people I know hunt deer at 600 yards, mostly because of the energy you have left. For example, .308 Win, my round, goes below 1,000 ft-lbs of force at around 600 yards. So, for maximum energy and stopping "power," I need to be closer than 600 yards. Right now, I am competent at 100 yards. The place I normally hunt has 50 yard distances. So, I am within the range of my competency and the effective range of a .308 Win. Now, there are things he could do that I have done, but all he was doing was fixing up the stock that came with the gun. I have a Mossberg Patriot .308 Win that I put in an MDT chassis, no extra bedding needed, the V channel in the aluminum is the bedding. Also, the gun with big scope on it now weighs about 12 pounds. A bit heavy for a back country or public land still hunt but the weight settles you down at the bench of a shooting competition. He has not really added weight to this rifle unless 1 ounce of bedding epoxy is a back-breaker. About a 1.5 scope but worth the weight for the observable accuracy. Most of the things he has done could be done at the factory but the rifle would cost more. More materials, more time, more expensive materials, such as the trigger assembly. In the end, you may have paid the same amount in total outlay of parts and your time to assemble this. What I appreciate is how he explains it without being condescending. He is talking to experts and newbies alike.
In reply to John Affleck on how many shots equal a group, in this instance of zeroing a new gun/scope combo - "If" the shooter has enough experience, they can call the shots as the trigger is pulled. Thus - When I am initially zeroing a new setup, Because I trust what I see and did, I personally only take one shot, then I adjust the glass/sights. Only after I am pretty much zero'd do I take more than one shot or worry about groups. I guess more simply said, groups don't mean crap to me for new setup. Only after my rifle is set up do groups matter - to either tell me how much I suck that day, or to diagnose weapon problems.
what caliber of 700 and what ammo is he using. love Remington......got a 243 varmint triangle barrel. out shoot anything in my neck of the woods. i like to hit things at least 2 quarter sections away. or out my back door
Why do everybody who is shooting from bench only load single rounds in the chamber and not use the magazine? I always load my mag up with the numbers of rounds I am going to fire at the target, usually 3 shot groups.
patience mate. Gives time for relaxation, eye relief, rifle inspection as well as round inspection. Precision shooting is all about repeatable results. Yes, you can take your time with a loaded magazine as well; however, with rounds ready to shoot you are tempted to decrease your split times and get another round off before you are fully relaxed. Further, you dont have the opportunity to identify any minor imperfections in the next round. Copper tip can be deformed if it rubbed against the front of the magazine, case can be dented or damaged if it did not feed 100% flawlessy from a magazine etc. Few precision shooters shoot from a magazine. The time it takes to physically reload another single round gives plenty of time to inspect the rifle, the next round, relax, and repeat for an entire day.
+jonnebanan The reason they don't load up the mags is because allot of the time reloads wont fit in the mags.. The bullet seating is not set to factory spec. They push the bullet out closer to the lands for better accuracy.. Which varies from gun to gun and bullets..
I guess you have never fired NRA rapid fire at 200/300 yard competition. Fkexing...thats what cutting flutes into the barrel does besides making it lighter it makes it stiffer. The same as having a heavy contoured match barrel.
curious why you walked down to measure the target. Seems like with that scope you could have milled it and corrected, and confirmed, from the bench. 100yds, 22x power, surely a milling reticle. Just me, but I hate the walk downrange. Maybe it'd be good for me though. I'm kinda fat. Oh. To show the fans on YT. I get it. You then said "I can see it through my scope, but we'll walk down there and see." So it's for us. Thanks. I'd have taken your word for it, but this is an educational video.
Barrel break in is a waste of time. Nearly all the big barrel makers and "big time" shooters are coming around to the same conclusion. Don't waste your time and money. Just shoot the thing.
whitey211 Any time spent at the range is not a waste. "Just shoot the thing." Duh, that's what breaking in the barrel is doing, just shooting. There is no consensus between "big barrel makers" and "big time shooters" about the effectiveness of breaking in a barrel. But it does no harm to clean a barrel a couple of times during the first 20 or so shots, while siting in the scope and getting familiar with the rifle. When I go to shoot I normally shoot 4 or 5 shots then stop to let the barrel cool, so what does it harm if while I wait for it to cool I run a couple of patches down the bore? How have I wasted time or money? I guess you mount a scope and never zero it, or else that would be, as you say, a waste of your time and money.
Bartlein, Krieger and Lilja ALL recommend a barrel break-in process. These are top of the line barrels, and are used by the pros in the Precision Rifle Series (the NASCAR of long range shooting). So, you are just plain wrong.
It's not the barrel, but the throat you want to break in. And like said above, all major manufacturers of custom barrels do say you should break it in. But I'm with you on that its not a huge deal if you don't. I have on some, have not on others. And they all shoot fine. I do like to run some JBs to polish up the throat though. But I usually do that after the first 20 shots at home. And I'm careful not to over heat the barrel.
I agree, some of these guys are spending HOURS doing this break in crap... Factory and custom rifles, they get some brake cleaner down the barrel when new, a little air, a dry patch, and a patch with oil.. and I shoot.. Never a single negative thing has happened, and all shoot very well.
I realise this is a special group at the range but safety anywhere else would be removing the bolt not leaving the rifle able to be used by someone else...with you as target. Shooting 'normal' for a factory rifle'...Hmmmm....but this is bedded and improved not a 'factory rifle' . My suggestion in pt 2 might make quite a difference in properly truing ALL the scope mount and I am still uncomfortable with the 80ftlbs....I reckon that igh torque will contribute to variable placements for a while.
Now just imagine if you brought a customized barrel as well, say with a 1 in 10 twist or 1 on 8 twist and stainless steel as well, with match projectiles and powder for a 308 or 7.62 X 51 ,then you have a real good rifle more accurate than the stock remington 700, with grouping sizes at 1,000 yards to 1,500 yards of around 2 to 3 inches ? But its about costs as well, most sure accurate single shot rifles will set you back about 2.5 k and upto 8 K depending what your going to be shooting for target comp say F class or hunting for deer etc. :) again ost 308 rounds are good for about 800 yards, but beyond that you need to customise the rounds and powder used ,say a 220 grain with the right powder you cant do a 1,500 yards shot no problems, unless you want to go to .338 or .50 cal or 375 cheytac etc. :) Its about making the round do its best, compared to off the shelf rounds and thats the challenge of it all ? Like a SAKO M10 is about 20K all up with scope and extras, most people do not have 20K to spend on a rifle which is made for snipers and comes in various calibers from 308 right up to .50 cal and .338. :) Also great stuff for those who want to shoot at greater distances and if you have friends as pro gunsmiths the sky is the limit ?
His groups aren't that great but he fails to mention trying other loads can result in tighter groups, ie, where the gun 'likes' specific ammo and shoots surprisingly tight groups!
The standard saying amongst people who understand this subject is "three shots are a co-incidence, five shots are a group". three shots aren't enough of a sample to determine anything. Continuing with the Math. a ten shot group has about six times the validity of a five shot group.
Why walk out and measure. Just hold the rifle dead center again, and crank the turrets to where the bullets were hitting. Next shot will be dead center.
your in way to much of a hurry,and you should of look threw the scope and moved the cross hairs to the bullet hole and then made any adjusting if any.....slow down man...lol!!!
It all depends on the accuracy/quality of your barrel. If you paid for a cheaper barrel then 3 shot zero is the way to go. If it's a high-end barrel then you can get down to a precise single shot adjustment after each round. There are more variables involved but the specs generally are the most significant if you don't include the obvious shooter error.
If a sondero doesnt shoot 1/2 moa out the box with good amo it should go back. It is sold as a long range rifle period. Nasic light waight stalking rifles must hold moa min in a moder sporting rifle the manufactures have no excuse its bloody lazy and taking the piss.
@@alonzokincaid1362 I had to use Google to figure out what he was saying. For one, it's "Sendero", not "sondero". Second, I think "Nasic light waight stalking rifles" means "Basic lightweight stalking rifles". Finally, "taking the piss" means to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be joking, or to be unreasonable. One would hope it wouldn't take that much work to decipher a TH-cam post.
Not that it would make a bit of difference at all, but just for shits-n-giggles I'd like Mike n/or his brother mention the friggin' caliber of these rifles when they're on the range or out in the field hunting.
This being the 3rd of 4 videos in the "Series" I've come to the conclusion that they must be afraid of people w/ADD getting distracted and tuning out if they don't crank up the heavy metal background music t keep them interested when they ain't talking.
So far you've got $3000 tied up in a gun that won't shoot a sub .5 moa. - If you re-chamber it and get rid of the factory funnel throat and work up a round, that rifle is capable of shooting .25 moa with a factory barrel. You might not want to reload and/or lower the muzzle velocity to gain that kind of accuracy. If this is the case, then enjoy. As for me, I wouldn't own a rifle that won't shoot consistently inside a .45 moa.
Small groups are nice for winning bar bets and showing off at the range, but the reality is, if a rifle is sub MOA you are good for hits on a vital zone of wild game out to 1000yds at least. At that range your ability to read wind is going to have a bigger impact on hit percentage vs. shrinking your groups from
I agree with all that you have written here. Many hunters rely on a kill with a body shot. If a rifle shoots 1moa at 1000 yrds. your grouping will be around 10 inches. If you have a rifle that shoots 1.25 moa your group is 12.5 inches - 1.5 moa = 15 inches at 1000yds. Factor in wind correction and all the rest of the variables the chances increase drastically that you won't hit anywhere close to that given minute-of-angle that your rifle shoots. Bottom line is - the tighter the grouping the longer the shot. Now I know hunters that are shooting 8 moa rifles and kill deer every season, but they shoot around 100 yards giving them an 8in. bullet group and they don't worry about wind corrections. I can easily understand you are trying to sell rifles and minimize refitting costs and I'm ok with that. But stay away from advertising a long range rifle and suggest shooting at a 1000 yards. FYI Your competition is re-working new stock Remington 700 action/barreled rifles that sell for $1600. w/o scope and that are shooting .5 moa with factory hunting ammo. - I shoot a custom .300 WM with a .3 moa @ ranges from 100 to1000 yards. I don't claim to be an expert, but I've got a pretty good idea how difficult it is. Good Luck.
Right, except I showed you with concrete data exactly what the probability of that hit happening or not happening is, not anecdotal evidence, and it wasnt "drastic" by any stretch of the english language. Thats the whole point of running a monte carlo simulation, you account for all of the uncertainty and variability from wind, range, velocity standard deviation, rifle accuracy etc, and the only thing you change is the variable whose sensitivity you are testing (MOA precision of the rifle in this case). It's not just one dimension... and by doing so I showed you that a 1MOA capable rifle has only 5.5pts lower hit percentage, 69.7% vs 75.3% hit probability on a vial zone sized target, at 1000 yds vs a rifle capable of .25MOA, all else being equal. To put that into context, the world record for 1000yds bench rest shooting is .27 MOA. So you would need a rifle capable of world record bench rest accuracy to gain a whopping 8% advantage at 1000yds over a 1MOA capable rifle at 1000yds. Heres the link, go read all that they have to say precisionrifleblog.com/2015/06/09/how-much-does-it-matter-overall-summary/ You came into here advocating spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars re-barreling a rifle to gain this 8% advantage... you are right, you are definitely not an expert. I also think you have me confused with someone else, I don't build/sell rifles, I dont have any "competitors", I'm just a statistician.
Thanks for the link. That was a very interesting article. here's a quote "I’m not saying you shouldn’t get the most precise rifle you can afford, or that you’re wasting time meticulously perfecting your loads. To each his own. I still plan to handload for some of my rifles. The key is to look at where your biggest room for improvement lies. Which uncertainty is the leading cause to your misses? Once you identify that, strategically focus and put your energy towards improving that area. Eventually, that aspect will transform from a weakness to a strength, and then you can shift your attention to the next leading factor that is causing your bullet to be off target. Todd Hodnett probably doesn’t need to spend more time perfecting his wind calling ability. He seems to have those primary factors buttoned up pretty tight, and therefore the precision of the rifle/ammo or the consistency of the muzzle velocity may be what he needs to focus on. It all depends on where you’re at on this journey. I’m certainly not there! I never said re-barrel anything! It costs $200 to $250 to re-chamber that will do away with a lot of issues concerning the factory chamber. Lose the high price scope like the Night Force and go with Leopold. That will drop the lay-out and as the article says focus on the other higher returns. I'm not going to get into a name calling contest with you. You're a statistician that's good - look at the first AB picture in the article. NUFF SAID Good Luck with your videos
Good work on a factory rifle ,but this is like putting lipstic on a pig. If your going to shoot long range you have to start with a match grade barrel and reload you ammo. I think we all agree , I have a SAVAGE matchgrade barrel, adjustable trigger to 3 ounce benchrest stock for $1100.00 if I built it it would be $2000.00 for a few hundred more it was a bargain. Factory guns are better than ever for general hunting there a great way to go
A lot of people seemed to have missed the point. This wasn't a Gunwerks rifle. This was a video showing you how an off the shelf Remington 700 can be cleaned up a little and shoot well. He went slow and explained everything so most people can do what he did. Great video.
Also, if you watch part 4, you'll see him start to get more serious. It's sighted in and broke in a little. He takes it out to 950 yards and it's shooting 2.5 in groups at 500 yards. There are a lot of rifles out there that cost 3 times more and don't shoot any better.
I got my Remington 700 22-250 to .395 after tinkering with the loads and Norma brass and free floating the barrel
First, yes my last name is Buckmaster. Some people have made comments. It’s a very old name. Anyway, I didn’t see anything wrong with what he did. He first changed out a trigger group I don’t much care for, with a more precise and reliable mechanism. He took a factory rifle on blocks and beaded the recoil lug a little more securely. He showed everyone how to lap out scope rings and level their scopes. He talked about breaking in the barrel. He mentioned bore sighting. From what I saw, the rifle almost certainly performs more accurately than out of the box.
There are several more things that can be done to a factory rifle, but the point was to simply improve a factory rifle. For the purposes of taking game, it performed very well. If the shooter is proficient, that rifle will take game at the distance any A frame bullet will deliver terminal velocities to. The bullets retention of terminal velocities is what dictates the range of a rifle. Not counting the performance of the shooter. These little improvements are to facilitate a clean kill of the game animals it’s used to harvest. That is the most important goal. Also to enjoy yourself and the game taken.
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@@l92denali95 the Davidson brothers know more about rifles then most rifle companies that's why there rifle systems are more superior
Those sendero are great factory rifles. I had one in the original sf I model in 7mm rem mag. Half minute gun all day with certain factory ammo. Love the video series guys.
Great series of videos and an A+ on the background music selection!
good video, thanks for making it. Most draw it out to an hour, I like short and concise .
Excellent series man.. thanks!
mint series easy to follow good job
Very nice video series!
I usually do not like to give out shooting secrets. Learned this one from Carlos. Always shoot your 3 shot groups with a cold clean barrel. In other words do not shoot 3 consecutive shots then figure your scope settings. You have to remember when your hunting its that one shot you are going to make with a clean cold barrel.
Hey mike let's see a 1 mile shot with this rig when your done. Thanks for the great videos
Great series!
Very nice three part series... Well done..
there are 5 parts
Damn that action looked smooth
Model: Remington 700 Sendero SFII
Scope: Nightforce 5.5-22X56mm
Trigger: 2lb Timney
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I would avoid building those custom turrets and ballistics data until the bore has reached copper equilibrium and the action has fully settled in. Also, did you check headspace? Without a precise and consistent headspace you'll never get full potential (cold bore first shot hits) from the gun.
It's not necessary, but I would have sent that barrel out for either A) threading for a break or B) recessed crown. Having a flat 90° on the muzzle and a (possibly) unknown crown angle will hold you back.
what caliber u shooting? What's the scope brand/ power? Bullet weight? Never watched a video with no info. But after all this is only the third video.
Thanks. Well explained video.Enjoyed how to zero a scope.
It's amazing how many experts are in here making comments on all the things he's doing wrong. seems like he's doing things well enough to get solid hits.
@Christopher Adams Owned one in 300WM, customized it myself (Timney trigger, AICS chassis). No barrel break in done (sorry, not buying that). With hand loaded ammo, correct seating depth I've shot consistent 0.38-.45 moa groups (min. 5 shot) at 100 meters and used it to do 1000, 1350 and 1650 meters with 185gr scenar and 200MK's. Sendero out of the box is excellent and a great rifle that get's you good results for a reasonable investment. So I agree with Christopher, at 1 MOA I would return it to the gun smith. If you're not producing sub 0,5 MOA shots, at the long range you're toast with all the added (wind) variations.
@Christopher Adams you think 1/4 moa grouping is better but in a lot of cases it's not watch a TH-cam clip with Ryan cleckner a former army sniper he says a rifle that shoots a 1 moa group is more then enough for long range he has seen guys shoot rifles with 1/4 groupings that couldn't even hit a 1000 yard target
@@jobson88 there is no factory made rifle companies that guarantee a shot group under sub moa which is a 1 inch group only custom made rifle companies can
I am from Poland. Great videos. Very interesting.OK.
Mikes the man! 👍🏼
Just noticed that they have barrel borescopes, which is basically a microscope to look down rifle barrels and trust me, even with brand new well known rifle barrel makers you would be so surprised on how badly the barrels are made, especially chrome moly barrels compared to stainless steel, so take care when cleaning and always get a pro gun barrel maker to check you barrels especially if you doing target competitions shooting ?
Jean. He couldn't get it to 80FT LBS by using the Wheeler F.A.T. wrench. The most the wrench will torque to is just above 60 INCH LBS. He showed the Wheeler kit he was using earlier. Same one I have.
Around 2:00 he seems to be reaching into the action to get the spent case out! Is there no ejector? Typically the case wants to jump out as soon as the case mouth clears the action! LOL!
Reloaders save brass. They dont jack brass out to hit the ground
How do You know Your rifle likes the ammmo You shoot?
Myself , would shoot Weatherby ammo only , cause it’s consistent.
another awesome vid. you should do one talking about the 7mm RM and 168gr Berger's..
Which scope are you using Sir?
Another great vid!!!
I think he said the trigger is a timmney set at 2lbs. Scope is their gseven 5.5x22 and rifle was a sandero 26in flut barrel
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Thanks 4 Sharing !!
This is the time when you needed to check feeding. Barrel break-in is when we need to find out if this gun has feeding issues since most of the precision work you will use single loading. Hunt day in the field miles from town is not the time to find out we have real world feeding issues.
excellent video i learned a lot. just got a creedmore and scope
Bravissimo, clear and simple thank you
carlo cuppone I agree clear and simple, but perhaps if the excuse part was taken out, it would be a better show.
Great info! Hands down, up in to the point excuses were made while he was shooting.
But then again what do I know.
18Charlie/Sapper
Great stuff.
When i broke in my AR-15 barrel all i did was shoot rounds through it no cleaning it till i cleaned the AR still accurate as long as im aiming at my target
We all have our preferred way to do things I guess but working a decent handload for this rifle would bring it down to 1/2 moa. Most likely. Their decent guns for a box rifle I have one that runs a ragged hole but it took finding the right bullet seating depth powder and bullet ..
Nice job thank you!
been watchin was doin some dis akurising me not smart like uther fellas no movies you got it down, truncated barrel nice but no advantage you knew that cheers
Great Job!
Great Video Mike. Thanks ! !
Wow great videos
Best bullets best company in my eyes
great videos you guys make, but i thought with that style night force scope you had to take the caps off and loosen the 4 clutch screws to "rezero" the scope. maybe I'm wrong. I'm young and only a few years into the long range shooting game lol. Can anybody share any wisdom here?
What calibre
What caliber gun is this
Have a out of the box 700 IN 30_06 that touches holes at 100 yards with a nikon 3x9
700s are wonderful. Had a .308 VS BDL that did 1/2" at 100 yards after a simple glass bedding and a Leopold MK IV scope.
Great series. Just out of curiosity, why is the windage knob blacked out at 2:06?
It is so they do not show the scope's manufacturer.
The scope manufacturer isn't willing to pay for a plug. Just goes to show you where the industry as a whole has gone. It's all about the money! People with means who dont have time to enjoy a ethical hunt buy rigs to shoot long range, and there are firearms manufacturers who build rifles for these people, at a cost. I use a 257wby Vanguard topped with a Nikon 4x12 BDC reticle and shoot Barnes 100gr ttsx bullets for everything that walks. 600yds is my limit if the conditions are right. In short, I like to hunt and get close. To each his own!
I also don't see the need for the grief. This was a factory budget rifle with a few tweeks that can make it as a long range rifle. Already, with the bedding and light trigger, shooting slightly less than 1 inch at 100 yards. In the Army, that qualifies as a rifle good for long range. Snipers are not trying pierce ear lobes at 1000 yards, that is all Hollywood. What snipers in the military do is get 220 grains of "stop it!" into a 20 inch x 12 inch target at 600 yards. At 600 yards, this rifle might have a 6 inch drift. On a 20 x 12 target, that is a hit.
A deer has a zone of heart and lungs that is about an 8 in pie plate midway between the shoulder blade and the chest line. Not many people I know hunt deer at 600 yards, mostly because of the energy you have left. For example, .308 Win, my round, goes below 1,000 ft-lbs of force at around 600 yards. So, for maximum energy and stopping "power," I need to be closer than 600 yards. Right now, I am competent at 100 yards. The place I normally hunt has 50 yard distances. So, I am within the range of my competency and the effective range of a .308 Win.
Now, there are things he could do that I have done, but all he was doing was fixing up the stock that came with the gun. I have a Mossberg Patriot .308 Win that I put in an MDT chassis, no extra bedding needed, the V channel in the aluminum is the bedding. Also, the gun with big scope on it now weighs about 12 pounds. A bit heavy for a back country or public land still hunt but the weight settles you down at the bench of a shooting competition.
He has not really added weight to this rifle unless 1 ounce of bedding epoxy is a back-breaker. About a 1.5 scope but worth the weight for the observable accuracy.
Most of the things he has done could be done at the factory but the rifle would cost more. More materials, more time, more expensive materials, such as the trigger assembly. In the end, you may have paid the same amount in total outlay of parts and your time to assemble this. What I appreciate is how he explains it without being condescending. He is talking to experts and newbies alike.
Good stuff. Learning.
In reply to John Affleck on how many shots equal a group, in this instance of zeroing a new gun/scope combo - "If" the shooter has enough experience, they can call the shots as the trigger is pulled. Thus - When I am initially zeroing a new setup, Because I trust what I see and did, I personally only take one shot, then I adjust the glass/sights. Only after I am pretty much zero'd do I take more than one shot or worry about groups. I guess more simply said, groups don't mean crap to me for new setup. Only after my rifle is set up do groups matter - to either tell me how much I suck that day, or to diagnose weapon problems.
how do you get bore to scope measurement for making balistic chart
what caliber of 700 and what ammo is he using. love Remington......got a 243 varmint triangle barrel. out shoot anything in my neck of the woods. i like to hit things at least 2 quarter sections away. or out my back door
7mm Rem Mag
Why do everybody who is shooting from bench only load single rounds in the chamber and not use the magazine? I always load my mag up with the numbers of rounds I am going to fire at the target, usually 3 shot groups.
patience mate. Gives time for relaxation, eye relief, rifle inspection as well as round inspection. Precision shooting is all about repeatable results. Yes, you can take your time with a loaded magazine as well; however, with rounds ready to shoot you are tempted to decrease your split times and get another round off before you are fully relaxed. Further, you dont have the opportunity to identify any minor imperfections in the next round. Copper tip can be deformed if it rubbed against the front of the magazine, case can be dented or damaged if it did not feed 100% flawlessy from a magazine etc. Few precision shooters shoot from a magazine. The time it takes to physically reload another single round gives plenty of time to inspect the rifle, the next round, relax, and repeat for an entire day.
+jonnebanan The reason they don't load up the mags is because allot of the time reloads wont fit in the mags.. The bullet seating is not set to factory spec. They push the bullet out closer to the lands for better accuracy.. Which varies from gun to gun and bullets..
It makes you slow down. As a barrel heats up it flexes more and your groups will spread.
jonnebanan get a thesaurus.
I guess you have never fired NRA rapid fire at 200/300 yard competition. Fkexing...thats what cutting flutes into the barrel does besides making it lighter it makes it stiffer. The same as having a heavy contoured match barrel.
What´s that scope?
I've got a group of 1/2 at 300 yds with my Remington 300 Win Mag, but mine are hand loaded.
RickM195
do a show on brecking in a barrell
Yes pleas a real no bs brake in from start to finish!
what caliber was that particular sendero? I prefer the .270 WSM for long range critters.
Probably a 7 mag
سلام ممنون از کلیپ هاتون من از ایران برنامه هاتون دنبالتون میکنم
Why wouldn’t he set the zero stop
curious why you walked down to measure the target. Seems like with that scope you could have milled it and corrected, and confirmed, from the bench. 100yds, 22x power, surely a milling reticle. Just me, but I hate the walk downrange. Maybe it'd be good for me though. I'm kinda fat.
Oh. To show the fans on YT. I get it. You then said "I can see it through my scope, but we'll walk down there and see." So it's for us. Thanks. I'd have taken your word for it, but this is an educational video.
Next teaching video you do... you may donate the done rile to me😁
Since when is clockwise on the turret lowing your poi?
Scope?
Barrel break in is a waste of time. Nearly all the big barrel makers and "big time" shooters are coming around to the same conclusion. Don't waste your time and money. Just shoot the thing.
whitey211 Any time spent at the range is not a waste. "Just shoot the thing." Duh, that's what breaking in the barrel is doing, just shooting. There is no consensus between "big barrel makers" and "big time shooters" about the effectiveness of breaking in a barrel. But it does no harm to clean a barrel a couple of times during the first 20 or so shots, while siting in the scope and getting familiar with the rifle. When I go to shoot I normally shoot 4 or 5 shots then stop to let the barrel cool, so what does it harm if while I wait for it to cool I run a couple of patches down the bore? How have I wasted time or money? I guess you mount a scope and never zero it, or else that would be, as you say, a waste of your time and money.
Bartlein, Krieger and Lilja ALL recommend a barrel break-in process. These are top of the line barrels, and are used by the pros in the Precision Rifle Series (the NASCAR of long range shooting). So, you are just plain wrong.
It's not the barrel, but the throat you want to break in. And like said above, all major manufacturers of custom barrels do say you should break it in. But I'm with you on that its not a huge deal if you don't. I have on some, have not on others. And they all shoot fine. I do like to run some JBs to polish up the throat though. But I usually do that after the first 20 shots at home. And I'm careful not to over heat the barrel.
I agree, some of these guys are spending HOURS doing this break in crap... Factory and custom rifles, they get some brake cleaner down the barrel when new, a little air, a dry patch, and a patch with oil.. and I shoot.. Never a single negative thing has happened, and all shoot very well.
He does know what hes talking about
Does anybody know what scope he's using on that rifle?
It's a G7 scope
I realise this is a special group at the range but safety anywhere else would be removing the bolt not leaving the rifle able to be used by someone else...with you as target. Shooting 'normal' for a factory rifle'...Hmmmm....but this is bedded and improved not a 'factory rifle' . My suggestion in pt 2 might make quite a difference in properly truing ALL the scope mount and I am still uncomfortable with the 80ftlbs....I reckon that igh torque will contribute to variable placements for a while.
Wait..the first the shots where on a different sheet of paper than the second set of shots
And he had a lot more than six expended rounds sticking out of his box of ammo. Editing, it's a blessing or a curse.
What caliber is it
excalibur
Aaron Mendez my question as well
+Gileo Chan that's a crossbow
.308 win mag/7.62 Nato
He is shooting a 7mm Rem Mag.
It should shoot much better once you establish a state of copper equilibrium.
You shot a whole box of ammo and still ain’t on paper, makes perfect sense
Now just imagine if you brought a customized barrel as well, say with a 1 in 10 twist or 1 on 8 twist and stainless steel as well, with match projectiles and powder for a 308 or 7.62 X 51 ,then you have a real good rifle more accurate than the stock remington 700, with grouping sizes at 1,000 yards to 1,500 yards of around 2 to 3 inches ? But its about costs as well, most sure accurate single shot rifles will set you back about 2.5 k and upto 8 K depending what your going to be shooting for target comp say F class or hunting for deer etc. :) again ost 308 rounds are good for about 800 yards, but beyond that you need to customise the rounds and powder used ,say a 220 grain with the right powder you cant do a 1,500 yards shot no problems, unless you want to go to .338 or .50 cal or 375 cheytac etc. :) Its about making the round do its best, compared to off the shelf rounds and thats the challenge of it all ? Like a SAKO M10 is about 20K all up with scope and extras, most people do not have 20K to spend on a rifle which is made for snipers and comes in various calibers from 308 right up to .50 cal and .338. :) Also great stuff for those who want to shoot at greater distances and if you have friends as pro gunsmiths the sky is the limit ?
His groups aren't that great but he fails to mention trying other loads can result in tighter groups, ie, where the gun 'likes' specific ammo and shoots surprisingly tight groups!
Sight in at 25 yards you won’t have to walk down range so far to look at your target and your rifle will be on at 200 yards or very close.
Not controlling the muzzle? A hand hold on the stock fore end. Not a lot of pressure.
considering todays ammo cost i think its ok
The standard saying amongst people who understand this subject is "three shots are a co-incidence, five shots are a group". three shots aren't enough of a sample to determine anything. Continuing with the Math. a ten shot group has about six times the validity of a five shot group.
Why walk out and measure. Just hold the rifle dead center again, and crank the turrets to where the bullets were hitting. Next shot will be dead center.
John Basinger you are genius!
Muzzled the cameraman.
Wouldnt you want to sight it in at 200
He wants to see the tightest groups based on MOA. 100 yards is usually the standard especially for larger caliber rifles.
Rubbish bags are not going to help your groups.They have points on the bases for a reason. So the rifle free recoills? Why are they retracted?
My 308 shoots that with factory ammo at 200yds. cz550 with federal 168 smk.
Being a range officer number one rule is eyes and ears. I see the ears I don't see eye protection.
Bore sighting a bolt action,Cmon what fun is that =>
I just pull the bolt and look through the barrel
go man
Eye pro?
Am I the only person that thinks this guy sounds like Bill Murray from Caddyshack?
Why Nightforce and not leupold the guy need an excuse when he misses
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Handloads would be 1/2" group
really? talk about stating the obvious!
2 minutes down and 2 minutes left ?? don’t you mean 2 inches
At 100 yards its about the same.
Lol, you shot a hole box of bullets at what to break it in and not be sighted in.
Its a Sandero
your in way to much of a hurry,and you should of look threw the scope and moved the cross hairs to the bullet hole and then made any adjusting if any.....slow down man...lol!!!
+Aaron Kellar do it on all my rifles. Just read how far off you are on the reticle and adjust your turrets. I shoot mils but same concept.
It all depends on the accuracy/quality of your barrel. If you paid for a cheaper barrel then 3 shot zero is the way to go. If it's a high-end barrel then you can get down to a precise single shot adjustment after each round. There are more variables involved but the specs generally are the most significant if you don't include the obvious shooter error.
At least glass bed the recoil lug.
If a sondero doesnt shoot 1/2 moa out the box with good amo it should go back. It is sold as a long range rifle period. Nasic light waight stalking rifles must hold moa min in a moder sporting rifle the manufactures have no excuse its bloody lazy and taking the piss.
Guide504 a do wut?
@@alonzokincaid1362 I had to use Google to figure out what he was saying. For one, it's "Sendero", not "sondero". Second, I think "Nasic light waight stalking rifles" means "Basic lightweight stalking rifles". Finally, "taking the piss" means to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be joking, or to be unreasonable. One would hope it wouldn't take that much work to decipher a TH-cam post.
Not that it would make a bit of difference at all, but just for shits-n-giggles I'd like Mike n/or his brother mention the friggin' caliber of these rifles when they're on the range or out in the field hunting.
This being the 3rd of 4 videos in the "Series" I've come to the conclusion that they must be afraid of people w/ADD getting distracted and tuning out if they don't crank up the heavy metal background music t keep them interested when they ain't talking.
1:27 :)
So far you've got $3000 tied up in a gun that won't shoot a sub .5 moa. - If you re-chamber it and get rid of the factory funnel throat and work up a round, that rifle is capable of shooting .25 moa with a factory barrel. You might not want to reload and/or lower the muzzle velocity to gain that kind of accuracy. If this is the case, then enjoy. As for me, I wouldn't own a rifle that won't shoot consistently inside a .45 moa.
Small groups are nice for winning bar bets and showing off at the range, but the reality is, if a rifle is sub MOA you are good for hits on a vital zone of wild game out to 1000yds at least. At that range your ability to read wind is going to have a bigger impact on hit percentage vs. shrinking your groups from
I agree with all that you have written here. Many hunters rely on a kill with a body shot. If a rifle shoots 1moa at 1000 yrds. your grouping will be around 10 inches. If you have a rifle that shoots 1.25 moa your group is 12.5 inches - 1.5 moa = 15 inches at 1000yds. Factor in wind correction and all the rest of the variables the chances increase drastically that you won't hit anywhere close to that given minute-of-angle that your rifle shoots. Bottom line is - the tighter the grouping the longer the shot. Now I know hunters that are shooting 8 moa rifles and kill deer every season, but they shoot around 100 yards giving them an 8in. bullet group and they don't worry about wind corrections. I can easily understand you are trying to sell rifles and minimize refitting costs and I'm ok with that. But stay away from advertising a long range rifle and suggest shooting at a 1000 yards. FYI Your competition is re-working new stock Remington 700 action/barreled rifles that sell for $1600. w/o scope and that are shooting .5 moa with factory hunting ammo. - I shoot a custom .300 WM with a .3 moa @ ranges from 100 to1000 yards. I don't claim to be an expert, but I've got a pretty good idea how difficult it is. Good Luck.
Right, except I showed you with concrete data exactly what the probability of that hit happening or not happening is, not anecdotal evidence, and it wasnt "drastic" by any stretch of the english language. Thats the whole point of running a monte carlo simulation, you account for all of the uncertainty and variability from wind, range, velocity standard deviation, rifle accuracy etc, and the only thing you change is the variable whose sensitivity you are testing (MOA precision of the rifle in this case). It's not just one dimension... and by doing so I showed you that a 1MOA capable rifle has only 5.5pts lower hit percentage, 69.7% vs 75.3% hit probability on a vial zone sized target, at 1000 yds vs a rifle capable of .25MOA, all else being equal. To put that into context, the world record for 1000yds bench rest shooting is .27 MOA. So you would need a rifle capable of world record bench rest accuracy to gain a whopping 8% advantage at 1000yds over a 1MOA capable rifle at 1000yds.
Heres the link, go read all that they have to say precisionrifleblog.com/2015/06/09/how-much-does-it-matter-overall-summary/
You came into here advocating spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars re-barreling a rifle to gain this 8% advantage... you are right, you are definitely not an expert.
I also think you have me confused with someone else, I don't build/sell rifles, I dont have any "competitors", I'm just a statistician.
Thanks for the link. That was a very interesting article. here's a quote "I’m not saying you shouldn’t get the most precise rifle you can afford,
or that you’re wasting time meticulously perfecting your loads. To each
his own. I still plan to handload for some of my rifles. The key is to look at where your biggest room for improvement lies. Which uncertainty is the leading cause to your misses?
Once you identify that, strategically focus and put your energy towards
improving that area. Eventually, that aspect will transform from a
weakness to a strength, and then you can shift your attention to the
next leading factor that is causing your bullet to be off target. Todd
Hodnett probably doesn’t need to spend more time perfecting his wind
calling ability. He seems to have those primary factors buttoned up
pretty tight, and therefore the precision of the rifle/ammo or the
consistency of the muzzle velocity may be what he needs to focus on. It
all depends on where you’re at on this journey. I’m certainly not there!
I never said re-barrel anything! It costs $200 to $250 to re-chamber that will do away with a lot of issues concerning the factory chamber. Lose the high price scope like the Night Force and go with Leopold. That will drop the lay-out and as the article says focus on the other higher returns. I'm not going to get into a name calling contest with you. You're a statistician that's good - look at the first AB picture in the article. NUFF SAID Good Luck with your videos
Everybody on youtube can shoot .25 moa. LOL
how to line up my telescope with mu gun to get in the target
Title should have been zeroing in a rifle...
4 part series dumbass
Great series of videos, but the hard rock/fuzzbox music totally sucks.
Good work on a factory rifle ,but this is like putting lipstic on a pig. If your going to shoot long range you have to start with a match grade barrel and reload you ammo. I think we all agree , I have a SAVAGE matchgrade barrel, adjustable trigger to 3 ounce benchrest stock for $1100.00 if I built it it would be $2000.00 for a few hundred more it was a bargain. Factory guns are better than ever for general hunting there a great way to go