Do benefit sanctions work? Louise Upston argues Government's case
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- Q+A's Jack Tame asks Social Development Minister Louise Upston about the value of imposing benefit sanctions and the consequences it could have.
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It would be a much better priority to stop paying the pension to multimillionaires.
No no multimillionaires in NZ need money more than anybody else.
How else should they afford to pay the rates on their holiday homes??
Or their WOF and Rego and insurance on their multiple vehicles, boats and toys??
Haven't you learnt anything from National?
We had 70000 new imagrints in the same time we gained 67000 unemployed, how does that make sense?
National like to ignore expert advice because it appeals to there bigoted voter base
126 000 immigrants last year
If those 67000 worked we would only 3000 immigrants.
@@chriskiwi2601 so true, but we don't have enough jobs for all of them and us aswell,
great work with these above comments. Problem: some people are not complying with their benefit conditions. Solution: blame it on immigrants.
i am neither in favor nor in opposition to National's policy here. With all due respect, i am just trying to point out the absurdity of the argument.
I heard that: There's a new car assembly plant starting in Wellington creating 100s of jobs. We are taking back our Forestry industry which will also create 100s of jobs. There's a big push for apprenticeship schemes in the construction industry straight out of highschool. Healthcare are starting on the job training and studying part-time. NZ Rail are going to operate more daily national services giving better access to smaller towns, creating tourism and more jobs. Sounds good? Well that's where we were 40 years ago.
I know we can achieve it so long as we are united as a country and strive towards this common goal. If China over years of closing the iron curtain can do it, why can't we, if Japan can pick herself up after 2nd world war, why can't we, if Taiwan despite the geograhical risks can achieve economic success and can even have their own army to fight off China in wanting to be independence why can't we, look at Vietnam, look at their Indonesia, Singapore. It sheer determination and hard work, focus and no nonsense that get these countries to where they are and continue improving.
here say more coalition supporters sidestepping the truth
new zealand will never achieve what your saying
@@kitty2527
new zealand will never ever unite@@kitty2527
I Hurd they will pay minimum wage 300 bucks a week shorter than the living wage
So the reserve bank has taken steps to control inflation by reducing the money supply and creating unemplyment so there are fewer dollars to bid up prices. How does this policy fit in with that.
It does in conjunction with the 90 day trials to stack the deck for National's rich prick mates of course 🙃
@@RJH755 gotta admit the 90 day trial does help weed out some absolute drongos. Small businesses aren't charities.
@@Pumba_PIG It also allows businesses to fire someone on the 89th day and then do the same with the next desperate person being kicked off welfare
@@RJH755 i think if it's made procedurally difficult and financially risky to terminate employment a 90 day trial is good. People, especially youths without work history can seem great and enthusiastic in an interview and turn out to take more time to supervise that to just do it yourself.
@@RJH755 If someone turns up to work on time. doesnt steal off the employer. Does a fantastic job, why would an employer spend the time to train them just to retrain someone else? your statement is silly. Its the ones that dont want to work that muck it up and take the space from a genuine hard working person.
For what i hear there is bugger all jobs out there?? And business are laying off people not employing??
They're asking them to try. Not succeed.
@@_nom_ I understand that dude but shouldn't there be jobs first?? All that's going to happen is the people who don't want to work are going to get in the way of the people who do?
@Hog-iv7tj its an obligation when you sign up to winz payments to actually try.thats it.its a contract.I managed it.
@@Michael-lg4wz ok ok claim your titts. Its just I have a business and I'm just looking for a job until things pick up but all I'm hearing from people is they are laying people off?? What's the point in looking for something that isn't there??
No jobs my arse,alot of people have left this country there are and always will be Jobs available
I understand its a good motivational move to have sanctions on benefits to get people in to work but .. enough of those "red lights" and youve got someone on the street? No family and friends are willing to feed another mouth and house someone with the price of living... Wow. Marginal chance of that happening but the fact its a possibility is quite shocking
If I don't bother coming to my job I'll lose it.
Horrors, might have to get a job, just to eat. The government has to change the mindset of a lot of people, thanks to the last lot. Also immigrants to this country should not go onto any benefit.
@@hughheeney3554 to decrease inflation, they have to increase unemployment...
There will be unintended consequences on society…always is when dealing with the complexity of people. Would also be great to see this government work hard to really address tax avoidance loopholes of corporates and the mega wealthy.
And not blindly rip things apart just so they can meet their ill advised tax break election promise.
never going to happen because they would be taxing there own buissness thats why they call themselves the right and the left right takes care of themselves left takes care of the lower income earners
Why would this government address tax loopholes, that would mean their funders and buddies who helped them get into power lose out.. goes against the national policy of making the rich richer.
Would be great but that's all it is, wishful thinking
I anticipate Australia will receive another influx of economic refugees, and New Zealand will again lose a large cohort of young people and families who are focused on getting out of poverty. The last National government actively stirred up vitriol and sanctioned people who couldn't find full time work, and lost many valuable citizens as a result.
Sad to see the pattern repeating.
Don't forget that the Sickness Benefit was cancelled and grouped together with Jobseekers. No wonder there are more on the "Jobseekers" benefit. Many people are not well enough to work, be it for a short period or a long period.
If they are not able to work because of sickness or injury, they are then put on the supported living benefit, which does not have work obligations attached to it.
@@markphillips5368STILL? its a benefit that WILL BE ATTACKED. They don't care about Children so why would they care about Sickness Beneficiaries.
WE ARE ALL in their sights
@@teawaruaedwards274 No benefit is being attacked. Is it too much to ask that people look for work whilst on the benefit. If you're following the rules, then what's the problem?
Incorrect. Two years without working and unable to work and have no work obligations yet still on jobseeker of about $350 per week gravy train. Thanks so much tax payers haha@@markphillips5368
What a pack of rats picking on the sick
Its about time we got a UBI and moved on from this archaic system.
My only concern with a UBI is it might not pay people who rely on welfare (disabled people and solo parents for example) enough and the right will use it as an excuse to cut out current welfare system, but I agree it would be better just give people money and stop pestering them
Whether one agrees with the sanctions or not, I see where Jack was going with what seemed to be continuously repeated silly questions, what he was trying to do was get the minister to admit by pushing people off the benefit, there would be nothing else for them to survive financially therefore resulting in criminal and/or deviant behaviour, but she was just not going to admit something like that..
Part of the reason for the welfare system is compassion. But another part of it is you don't want 60,000 desperate, unhinged people walking around with nothing and hungry. Its this security component that National seem to overlook.
Who is going to employ a 65 year old with a heart condition and grout.
Ah the disingenuous comment. Love it.
At 65 you're drawing a pension so what are you yabbering about, absolutely no sense
you might be surprised if you cultivate a positive attitude...
You will be on the pension and won't be asked to comply with Jobseeker obligations or loose the pension.
@@tommym6515Ah the disingenuous comment on the comment. Meh.
Stop letting immigrants in now
Watch Bryan Bruce's doco "Mind the gap". It's from 2013 so a little old now but details how prosecuting beneficiaries is a waste of resources and does more harm than good. White collar crime such as tax evasion costs the NZ economy 100's of times more $. If Seymour gets his way and govt departments have limited staff and resources then I would prefer them to after the big fish (tax evaders over beneficiaries). I'm not saying I condone people staying on benefits longer than they need to, I don't - but if we're going to cut down on waste then we're doing it wrong by this policy.
Yep. Finally some sense in this comment section. I find it strange people can't see beyond their conditioning to believe theres always scores of dole bludges sucking on their taxes... When facts, and proof, and research, and lived experience shows this not to be the case - and what you say is more the problem.... Why would we waste time punishing those who most need help for the sake of saving the country maybe $50m a year? (and actually cost the country far more), when if we actually targeted those avoiding paying tax, and the wealthiest few we could generate the country probably many many billions of dollars
I was working a full-time casual contract work and income minimum of 30 hours a week. I had the benefit there so when it come to the 2 week holidays i was able to get support for 2 weeks while work was down for holidays. Well work an income said i didnt comply with my work obligation because they had made appointments like i had no job. on the days i was Working, being 30 hours is fulltime anyhows they cancelled my benefit sanctioned me when i wasnt Even receiving money. So when it comes down to it you csnn call it what you want but you want but ya this contracts and work an incomes rules left me and my family struggling. Minimum wage doesnt pay shit and its comjng from rich people. All i see is its just picking on people who cant financially get through addibg stress. People kill themselves over money. Its life or death for some people......
You would have been paid holidays In your income. Not the governments fault you can't save
@@haydenkelliher2859 8% and getting paid holidays and kiwi saver. And not even getting 23 an hour. Yesh go save, mommy and daddy had money??
They doc you ya holidays of you a full-time. You obviously don't work
@@haydenkelliher2859 and it's the governments fault they have casual full-time contracts so yes it is their fault, and I didint get paid 2 weeks holidays or sick days. I can save but not at the rate the housing market and cost of living has gone up. And I live in the south island where pays are the shittest in the country.
@@danhartigan9529 your pay would have included holiday pay. So it's up to you to save for the holidays
Really!!!we have 190000 people on job seekers, and we're allowing over 100000 immigrants in per year. Not only bad math but absolutely ridiculous. Charity starts at home!!! Let's get our existing population working before giving all the opportunities to immigrants.
Let's get 50K to not sit on their arse all day and actually work.
I'm on jobseeker support I'm helping my mother look after my father he has dementia since I have to go back to work dad has to go into hospital level care at the rest home the cost of this care is $3000.00 a week.
This will be fully funded it's nationals money saving strategy.
"Kids should choose better parents" lmao
when i look at our government regardless of who is governing trying to rule for all new zealanders my point is if our entire government cant rule together how can they expect to unite the whole new zealand the division that we are having on you tube is caused by the division they have at the bee hive
My brother went into winz , done all there paper work filled out the job application, and they still sent him home with no benefit
He goes in every week , but there still no one who will take him on , and still to this day 5 weeks since 1st appointment, has no income ,
@@jamestiopira7533it's because they want to take the job seeker benefit,off of the unvaccinated.
5:50-6mins jack says "so kids should choose better parents?"
And Jack touches on the elephant in the room - there are too many s****y excuses for parents screwing up too many children here in nz and social workers here in nz are so culture washed there endorsing this train wreck.
Kids don't have the option of choosing better parents - it's about time we put a stop to this starting with 7aa of the OT act, which requires the treaty principles bill..which luxon refuses to back.
Shame on you Mr luxon. This elephant is growing and the room is rapidly shrinking.
Why does Jack not put the pressure on those who REFUSE to comply ? Perhaps Jack would personally like to sponsor a family of non compliant parents.
Yes, take his pay and feed these groups of lazy and self entitled groups of ppl.
@@kitty2527jacks pay is already paying these groups
jack keeps asking the questions she continues to not answer@user-uf1fc2bi5i
Rubbish, he's towing the cindy funded journalist cash cow line that makes him be woke and makes him support the bludgers. One day he will wake up and realise that all the other taxpayers not earning his cushy cindy funded high salary are against bludgers being allowed to continue to bludge. Your time is up bludgers, go get a job like most honest Kiwis!!
@@murraythompson4386 Oh, you consider yourself to be an honest kiwi then? A mean-spirited, right wing conspiracy theory loving, sky news watching plonker with a world view so narrow he hates any picket fence not painted white honest kiwi. While we're at it, define woke. Go on I dare you.
So she ignores the advice…. The simplistic right will always view that we are all the same… all capable of maintaining employment… that we all have the same mental health… etc etc
Simple people like simple laws…
She has a view. There are lots of views. Are there facts? Who knows, everyone has differing views.
The current unemployment benefit system is completely unsustainable. If you can work, the country doesn't owe you a living.
Who needs advice when you've got donars to deliver for?
@@JamesClark-cg1qk Uhh would you like to re-read your comment and figure out the contradiction you just made?
How TF are beneficiaries who have been out of work for years supposed to find a job when unemployment is already increasing and there's going to be about 50 people with more experience applying for the same job?
well you get some help putting a CV together, apply, turn up for an interview, demonstrate a positive attitude, and expect that from maybe 10 interviews, you might get one job offer. Surprised that needs explaining... @@RJH755
What about tax avoidance, will the wealthy get the same stick from this government or does this government only want to slog the poor
I would like to see examples
Anyone on jobseeker 60 years old or more should be "retired" on a pension. Its a lot less $$ per week
Its easy to throw the numbers around. 2020 it increased by 75k people i wonder what caused that? However in 2021 it decreased by 21k. 2022 it decreased again by 14k and 2023 it increased by 8k.
Going back further between 2017 and 2019 it only increased by 24k.
Is this the same Gang that's about to make a whole heap of people jobless 🤔
Interesting how people in privileged positions view those without privilege
For people with health issues that stop them from working, yet they don't qualify for dissability access so they get slapped into the “jobseekers” role, this change of policy makes it so much harder to gain access to welfare. Take for example long covid, it is not a recognised disability yet it leaves people disabled and unable to work. Thousands of Kiwis just fell into severe poverty and they don't have any choice about it.
Finding work is one thing working for a decent wage that people can live on is the other. The minimum adult wage is not enough to make ends meet unless the govt fix it. Then you have immigration bringing in immigrants and being paid slave labour without a legal leg to stand on or they get deported.
they get an average starting rate of $30.00 hr if on work visa
No !
They just make there situation even worse ,
Meaning more crime and gang recruitment 😂🤣😂
Consummate politician-doesn't listen won't understand or respond to the question.
Obviously there sanction cost them 10x more than they saved
Mental well-being and financial distort on its way bck like national government are well known for. Gutter welfare politics at best
There are peoples circumstances mentalhealth & wellbeing situations unforseen circumstances to consider how would you solve those issues restricted full licences how would you solve those issues for people living alone wanting to sit with no full licence drivers to sit in passenger seat to practice their driving skills?
It's pretty obvious Jack as to what happens when someone gets their benefit cut. They either get a job or live under a bridge. Not too hard to work out
@@heathermason8743 Very true which is one reason why any savings made will be lost plus the effects on the victims of crime etc.
@jackohere1878 then make harsher punishments for law breakers. We can't just keep on feeding the lazy. There MUST be consequences for actions. Any sane person understands that. It's only the pink shirt wearing left wing bleeding hearts that don't. So here is a real option; make paying for those on the benefit optional and let's see you left wing freaks reaching for your wallets to bail them out😂😂😂
They would do that regardless.plenty people on benefits committing crimes? Duh
"There's a range of views" => "I did my own research"
I've never had any help from anyone growing up. And that forced me to become successful, because the alternative was far worse. Expecting everything to be done for you is poison for the soul.
Your not the only one in this country bud carrying on doing well then good for you
The benefit is not a life anyone wants. Additionally everyone is different, some have serious mental health issues etc. I don’t think most beneficiaries just expect the govt to hand them an easy life on a silver platter.
In a similar vein, I would expect that the wealthiest in NZ pay a proportionate tax rate
I was on the unemployment benefit at $142.00 a week. Rent $95.00 a week, food $50.00 a week, oops that’s minus $3.00, I worked very hard to find a job, I can’t tell you!
As a 17 year old, if I had no income I had nowhere to sleep and nothing to eat. Simple as that (back in South Africa, we didn't have the dole).
Sure is. Good on You 👏🙌🤜🤛 That's a Minority Mindset right there
How hard do you have to make it Jack!
If you are going to exploit the system and bludge off the taxpayer, then there are consequences for not complying. You can't feel sorry for these people. They need to learn personal responsibility
How many beneficiaries are bludgers, in your opinion?
Yep! US and THEM....Typical. NO SUCH thing as a fellow kiwi doing it hard, your ALL BLUDGERS.
This BULLSHIT ALWAYS comes when there's a National Government. THEY ONLY work for THE FEW.
So weird people like you still hold this opinion... But was probably brainwashed into you back in the 80s/90s...
There are very few people who 'bludge off the taxpayer', despite what your mates say... Unemployment has been at record low levels and it wasn't so long ago that National and their supporters were picketing the govt to open the flood gates to migrants to fill all the jobs that were in nz..... Now we have an artificially created rise in unemployment to tackle inflation you think its ok to make these people suffer?? try take a look in the mirror and see what you see
I don’t feel sorry for them but I’m more than happy as a tax paying New Zealander to support these people through benefits.
@@Stuffynes why can't you support the fellow tax paying New Zealanders? There's more possibilities of tax to be reduced as an impact of benefits getting reduced
Theres no options with work and income only working in factorys which we have less tradesmen which this country is screaming for carpenters etc there should be more opportunities for trades through WINZ
I ask Kiwis “who doesn’t know people on the unemployment benefit who could be working?” .. as a 63 year old Kiwi, I have come across many people who have been on unemployment benefits for years..generational … so this is a very important process to help, even push those people, who quite often have lost the confidence and self responsibility to get back to work. It DOES work.. I have seen it through previous government forms of sanctions; parents finally back at work, which then enables their children to go to school and therefore stop that generational cycle of living by benefits, school truancy and the evolution of extremely young single mothers/dads with few work/life skills…. Work enables self esteem and being an involved community member of our society. Willing non participation does require tough love.
In my 64 yrs I have seen MOST of my whanau on benefits, I'm a Sickness benny now I'm a JOBSEEKER. These are the BENEFITS of Kiwi Society. Being brown, poor or sick and a victim .
YOU HAVE TRAINED us well to become the thing you hate.
Sorry we missed the part about being fiscally responsible. BUT hard to learn about something you've never had?
Soo much benefit fraud too. Couples claiming individual benefits while drinking and drugging..they make me sick. Look at all the thugs on the streets. I wouldnt employ a low life thief !
I'm all for people working and having livelihood however, what investment has been made to ensure that those leaving benefit dependency are set for success when cutting the umbilical cord and NOT returning for support? Not rushed un prepared for such a huge step. Can a single Parent earning minimum wages afford the after school care or day care fees? What about the transport parking or Broadband (if wfh)that they may need as well as every day needs that would motivate them to stay employed? I still believe there should be some manakitanga. I am happy for my Tax contributions to go towards 'teaching to fish' rather than quick results that can be harmful and put off those who are unfortunately in a stuck mindset.
Benefits people have worth of $15000 or more cars but working people have only worth of $4000 to $5000 cars
There is need to check the assets of benefits people, like in Germany
Oh look, another person who hasn't at all thought about how to answer the questions most people will actually ask.
No they do not. Treat each person on case by case.
why does louise upston continue to not answer jacks question ? because 67,000 benefiaries will vote for another party
no, they will bring in a new law that you have to be on $30.00 ahr and working 50hr weeks to vote
gravo a government with guts to improve beneficiaries lives they will have more money each week to live off,,,now for government to show if they have enough guts to tax the rich
Some people will start working only when there is no more safety net. It is unfair for hard working people to support those don’t even try.
How soft do we have to be and stop using children as a lever
There might be more unemployed but there is also more in the country. Also what quality jobs are they getting the unemployed into? will it guarantee a humane standard of living ? blah blah same old circus
They become homeless and live on the street like America and Australia so national is trying to keep people on the streets, problem is that there is not enough businesses for employment cause the government allows manufacturers businesses to head overseas and make other countries wealthy
I think the idea of Comunity work as a requirement when you cannot get a job is a great idea. Better serve the public that way and people keep benefits
You sound like an inmate saying that.
You think like white-collar criminals of NZ society.
Colonials 🤣🤣🤣
And yeah, I remember you cabbages.
Well two things
1: They need to be paid at least minimum wage, otherwise that's basically wage slavery for the state
2: What about the many disabled people on jobseeker who should be on supported living?
Why are people afraid to say if you don’t even try to find work, you starve. What is wrong in saying that?
wow. go back to your cave
How has immigration ageected these numbers? Nicola Willis says there was over 100, 000 people immigrated last year. With a lot of people on welfare
Real smart leaders don’t blame other people, they carry on proving they are efficient, effective and smart. To be correct, National is reversing back to their former mess.
When science textbooks fails in health to support healthier growing in picking up skills you end up at last resort. Why because when you enter the workforce you don't want to be a carry your Hara through. But then you do anyway despite complying to going out connecting and finding employment over and over again but because the health issue isn't addressed your shitting everywhere loosing your ability to contribute effectively making it a circle to go round and round this system.
Not everyone is the same level minded.
If beneficiaries with dependent children lose a portion of their benefit due to failing to comply with the requirements that the law requires, then it is up to them to start complying, or better still, get a job to support their family. Using their children to basically blackmail WINZ into paying them while they do nothing to improve their situation is not the kiwi way.
So pushing children even further into poverty is the solution in your opinion then.
Jack, they might get off their ass and get a job and stop freeloading off the nz taxpayers
BENEFICIARIES ALSO PAY TAXES, YOU MUPPET
What's a JOBSEEKER? Ain't they obligated to find work. AND IF THEY DON'T find any work, can pull one out your anus for one.? You seem to have a solution.
What about tax relief
Try asking " A Question " & see how long or if you can get an answer (from an MP or government) ??? Here's a clue...no answer actually is an answer!
We s should adopt system like in UK
Tax payer should support only 2 children not 6 children
People can have whatever they want but govt should support only 2 children ,
Wow, people on a job-seeking benefit being expected to job seek.... why are people struggling to understand this concept?
easy said than done
Countries gone to socialists
@@Thuglifebabybaby user name says it all
UBI. Problem solved
It unfortunately doesn't address being able to meet the cost of rent. Until there is a metric ton of social housing, it is unlikely to work without pushing people onto the streets.
Woohoo, watch this solve nothing. 🎉
Consequences of your decisions in life are a must for any society.
Take them away, and we will all be worse off.
Useless minister. Resorting to old ways that do not work. National is a hopeless party.
So is your mum
You afraid you will have to work for a living
@@saxandrelax6781 google should ban you for using a really bad mum joke for a trolling comment
@@bobbyfly-sl7ng Google should ban your mum
the "old ways" have not been working, hence the new government is going to try something new
Most work and income staff are not nice people and seem burnt out and sadistic. There to feel better by seeing people suffer.
Its a corporate strategy..
Any handout should be in the form of food stamps. These ferals who think they can continue on the gravy train can start contributing to society if they want nice things.
I've had my Sole-Parent support cut by 50% It was an inconvenience that was sorted out fairly simply... The length of the inconvenience might be stressful to someone that does not budget their money but WINZ provide training for that so it can be managed easily 👍... It was cut for failing to appear in court for those who are curious 😆
Vax sanctions worked
Looks like Tame supports people taking the dole as a career choice
I dont mind working a shit job but refuse to work for a shit employer
If your on the job seeker benefit and you don't comply 3-4 times, because you don't want to work, then you are not meeting your obligations of the benefit. If we want to talk about what happens to there kids because they don't want to work um ????. How can a person expect to have children and not have to work to support them... don't let the parent that does not won't to work get a free ride because there kids might go without that's on the parent. This is crazy
This is simple:We need to break this cycle.Benefit life-style or N.E.E.T's and abuse are numbered..Job seeker benefits should only be temporary but people stayed on it for years....
AND There are far to many people having kids they can't afford and expect taxpayers to look after them...
As a respected Maori leader said, in the middle of last century, the benefit is the worst thing that can happen to the Maori people. I submit that that is the same for everyone.
No matter what? You can not sugarcoat what is going on with these sanctions.
I've got severe PTSD as well as ADHD...if I'm forced to work for somebody...what do you think I'm going to DO to that employer or their business??
Same. Its something you live alongside and find a course to start with that gives you skills. Gets you into a routine too. If you relapse ACC is there. It could take up to a year to be accepted and you pay back every tax dollar you received in the benefit. There are options . Working is good fro the mental health. Mind body soul.
@heathermason8743 I've worked in Mental Health. Diploma. No one needs a degree to understand that with the right support anything is possible. It may not happen today, but it can happen.
Good. There are too many people on the benefit. These people need to get their act together and get a job.
typical tories
It shouldn't be controversial to say our benefit system needs safeguards against fraud.
But it is somehow contraversial to suggest that tax reform is required so the wealthiest in the country pay a proportionate tax rate to the rest of the country
Start fraudulent accusations against the crown
Honour the treaty ❤
@@jame2433 what happens when the rich take their money and leave?
@@daygone4946 and go where? Are we seriously suggesting that because they’ll be a fraction less rich that NZ is no longer where they want to be? There was an open letter from wealthy people offering to pay more tax last year. I believe most wealthy people have morals are are decent people and if they are paying a lower effective tax rate than a McDonald’s employee then they’d likely feel bad about it. NZ has a benefit bashing problem in my opinion.
@@jame2433 All you need to do is look at Norway. The old tax for rich was 0.8 they bumped it up to 1.1 causeing some 65 of it most wealthy people to leave.
Jack needs to acknowledge that the country voted for the coalition and for what they stand for and he and the rest of the fourth estate need to stop crying about it.
half the voting population voted for the coalition that's hardly reason to not warrant criticism.
You accuse those criticizing the government for crying about their policies and yet here you are crying because their just doing their job. It's the Media's job to criticise the government of the day, they aren't going to stop criticising them just because the people voted them in, that's stupid.
Weather it makes a difference or not it’s just plain right to make people responsible if they are receiving a benefit to seek a job or training for seeking a job period
Whether or not you can spell, it's just plain right to make people responsible for pushing their vapid opinions on others without a fact to back it up. Period.
@@stuchatterton6550 so I spelt one word wrong woopee
@@malcolmhayward4431 If you're so sloppy with spelling and sentence construction, why would any one consider your opinion less so?
Jack Tame. You need to learn to listen instead of talking over?
Far to many New Zealand homes have have low standards, we tolerate laziness and unproductivity.
Yes. Lets fine landlord who rent lazy and unproductive homes.
They work for creating more homelessness
Jack: if you're yelling in a classroom and the teacher tell you that if you don't stop, you are not welcome in my class (i.e. get out) then if you think you got nowhere to go and it's dangerous then what do you do? You think um, has anyone ever been throw out? If nobody has been thrown out then i continue with my act, but if my bestie Johnny was thrown out last week and he was crying then i think i'd better to be nice and guess what? When i am nice, alk the sudden my friends watching me also decide that they want to play nice too! Now, that's human. Perhaps you have forgotten about that😂😂
Sad, I will have to join a gang I have no family my mum is in nursing home
It sux ey. Deliberate poverty system and society don’t care about you they just make you poor then call you the bad guy NZ is a shit country if you can manage try to get to Australia treated lot better there.
Sorry that you have no self determination. It allowed under the TOW , The choice is yours.
What are the benefits of full-time working class people.
independence, better mental health, better future...
She's nuts.......
"Is it fair to their children " ........ask that question of the parents who refuse to comply!
More waffle from all waffle no plans government. There 11 regions in this country, that have population's less 200,000 which also has high welfare dependency, gang activity, poverty, crime, low educational out comes, etc.
so move to where you can get a job, it's not rocket science.
@@JamesClark-cg1qk - Hmm, you do know there is a housing shortage in the 4 regions that have populations over 500,000 and one region that has a population over 300,000.
still plenty of cheap rentals available if you look hard enough...maybe don't look like a gangster when you apply for one..?@@chrismckellar9350
Just plain gross finger pointing at people on benefits. Same ole junk from the Nats imo. Laurie. NZ.
So Jack doesn't believe in responsibility or consequences, and wants us to be reliant on state welfare
So you have swallowed the right wing free market propaganda and don't give a crap about your fellow human beings.
Jack seems to be ignoring the fact that these people who are reaching the red light level are bloody mindedly not getting on board and paying their way. This is assuming they don’t have mental health issues, which shouldn’t come into this plan.
You assume much. A 17 year old living with family in the back blocks of Opotiki with no car and no transport will not have the same opportunities as a university graduate living in Mt Eden. A 52 year old, wheelchair bound woman will not have the same opportunities as a healthy, fit 25 year old man. In neither circumstance should they be treated the same. The issue with draconian edicts is they lack subtlety and do not take into account the complexities of the human condition. To say it's just bloody mindedness is akin to being judge and jury...
I agree with a differentiated support structure. One size fits all has huge gaps that people fall through. But isn’t the traffic light system designed to offer this support at the lower levels? And perhaps people need to move to where there are more opportunities. This is not uncommon. I had to do this myself. The first priority must be to find employment and contribute to society. It’s unacceptable (I think) to rely long term on others for financial support without even attempting to move yourself forward. Again I’m a strong supporter in prioritizing mental health support (both social and financial) for those who are struggling.
@@paddymccaughan7712 I remain unconvinced that using a bigger stick is the solution.
Well it’s (in my view) better than the status quo which creating generations of welfare dependent communities. I’m both a teacher and a parent and I can personally vouch for bottom line tough love with appropriate support. Some people will not change if there’s an easier option, it’s human nature. What’s needed is both pressure and an unconditionally positive approach to support. This legislation may not yet or ever be perfect but it’s a step in the right direction. Unemployment surged under labour and I think the current government has the right approach to this and the wider NZ economy.
@@paddymccaughan7712 It appears that you have never been on the other side of the fence. I have. It's soul destroying. A constant fear that comes with having no resources. It got to the point of being down to almost nothing apart from one bag of rice in the cupboard. No savings. One mistake away from not being able to buy food that week. Nothing for any sort of new clothing, let alone shoes. Praying that what you do have holds together. Hoping you have enough for the power bill when it inevitably arrives. So you go about applying for jobs you are not suited to, and will never actually get due to a lack of experience. Or too much. Or there were "many high quality candidates". Whatever excuse HR provides you, if you're lucky enough to get any kind of response at all. And when you do get an offer, it might only be part time, and with expenses are no better off. To make things worse, if it doesn't work out - or you get to the end of the proposed 90 day trial.... you're back. This time with a stand down. Now add sanctions to the mix. It's cruel and unusual and less than effective. It plays well to the nasty, cruel and somewhat racist underbelly of NZ, and appears to be not much more than a vote gathering exercise. I appreciate you have a more nuanced view than most, but hitting people already down with a bigger stick isn't an effective solution to a complex problem. Put another way, that appropriate support you mention, that's what needs to be looked at. Not just breaking out the whip because of "reasons".
Jeez whats up with this guy.... If people getvtheir benifit cut they can go and get a job like the rest of us!! Some people in this country needs to stop putting their hand out and get out there and do some bloody work.
@Jack.. What do you have to say to all those taxpayers who work so hard to meet the inflation, raising cost of living, support their families & at the same time contributing a huge portion of their income towards tax! Looks like your channel is more interested in giving benefits to those lazy people who do not wish to work or take any steps to find a job. I think its the right time to learn personal responsibility, learn to live on their own by start going for work, rather than eating & sleeping all the time.
Louisa uptons personal view is just str8 discrimination to the true impact of rubbish sanctions National is implying here. Nonesense
Get the Bottom Dwellers working
It seems that you don't live in the 11 regions that have populations below 200,000.
You got it