Shane Jones and Chlöe Swarbrick on the vandalism of Te Tiriti | TVNZ Breakfast
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- Green MP, Chlöe Swarbrick and NZ First Minister Shane Jones discussed new government changes to te reo Māori agency names, 'ghost house' taxes and the Treaty of Waitangi.
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Interviewer nods to Chloé interrupts Shane the blatant bias is why we are turning away from mainstream. Days are numerbered, not sure how that translates
absolutely disgusting the way she was carrying on.
Agree
So true!
The day of reckoning for MSM, she was formerly Coffin, is that an indication as to where the programme's headed ?? ooh err
Um...snowflake?
Chloe and Jenny May think they are SO clever and articulate and they deal with the silly old man....but the old man has something called wisdom and yes, respect.....the girls are still a little "wet behind the ears and need to listen more and one day you know they might achieve what the old man has.......
If only we had more of Shane Jones's wisdom, intelligence and pragmatism in NZ politics.
Fast forward 6 months on from this interview and take a look at the Green Party, a bunch of thieves and rabid abusers going nowhere. Thank God for this coalition, let's just hope it's not too late and that the disgraceful damage done to our once great nation over the past horrifying 6 years can be corrected.
The interviewer needs to listen, Shane answered her question first time by saying the vandals need to take responsibility for what they did!
The TVNZ presenters are so bias its embarrassing to there profession. Its never impartial but always with there left liberal slant and stance. There is a real lack of ethical journalism requiring professional impartiality.
Its become a bit tedious to play the double standards game at this point hasn't it? I mean Imagine them begging the question about "don't these people deserve to be heard" when it came to Kelly-Jaye's visit here.
This segment shows a gross bias against shane but he says his piece very well.
Your right. TVNZ are bias. Let's just stop watching this. We'll done Shane. I have never been a fan of yours but you have changed that.
So obvious and SO telling....
Could not have said it better myself
What a biased interview ,as always with BREAKFAST. Always an amateur programme with woke presenters.
What does woke mean? Anything you don't agree with. Enjoying the woke floods and slips =)
@comment1984 you should wake up if you still don't know what woke means.
@@olsaffa7679don't worry about him hes clearly cognitivley diverse
All TV 1 talking heads are Jacinda acolytes preaching the socialist leftist agenda permeating all NZ media.
Anyone outside of the Leftist Greens Labour or Maori party are shut down or talked over by these talking heads.
Most middle Maori in NZ want one country and not to be controlled or governed by unelected elders on the Marae. I'm Maori and please lets keep NZ a democracy and stop these radicals from taking over and becoming the voice of Maori and then the voice of NZ.
Free stuff promised.
It'll be hilarious when they get nothing.
Kia Kaha
Where is your evidence to back up your statement? More to the point......... what the hell is a middle Maori, sounds like your version of an indigenous hobbit??
Another totally biased TV presenter, likes the sound of her own voice and doesn't shut up long enough to listen to the answers. These characters that keep asking " how much will it cost to change Maori names back to English" didn't ever have a problem with the cost of changing from the original English name to Maori.
Hi Mike! I can see how you've got yourself all confused. It's pretty easy if you aren't paying attention or indeed, think for yourself.
See, when the previous govt introduced the name change, the opposition lost their collective minds, mainly pointing at THE COST of the change.
So, now that they are the govt and are proposing another name change, logic would dictate that a question of cost must be asked.
Otherwise (and here in lays the kicker, get ready, you wont like it) it EXPOSES THE HYPOCRISY OF NATIONAL ETC when they cried about the cost initially.
Do you understand now?
Consider: initially names were changed to be more inclusive. Cost wasn’t a reason to change the numbers to be more New Zealand specific.
But cost is brought up now, because the whole point of the new government is cutting costs, cutting spending, and I would argue, cutting essential services. All sorts of things are getting cut - even the phase out of smoking! We want to get new customers hooked on smoking cigarettes, just for tax revenue, to fund my incoming $20.05 a week taxcut…..
So: if this new government is so fixated on money and cutting services, cutting costs…..but then spends millions on new signage? That looks like a vanity project. It looks like the cash strapped guy spending $1000 on a personalised plate for their old clunker car, just so it says his name “PHIL” on the front :-)
It looks like a waste of money, for very little gain.
@jaywontdart the labour government changed the names were changed to virtue signal that was it
i know right! where was labours ciritism for wasting money to change this during during a recession and after they got us into this financial shit show
@@jaywontdart Good answer.
It is a shame that you need to explain something so obvious to these people but that is the world we live in now.
Stick to netball and reading the weather Jenny Mae
I wouldn't expect to get an honest story from that either.
Omg I can’t believe how much that one news woman is biased
Ironic Jenny interrupts Shane and talks over him and then says people are not being listened to when she is not listening to Shane!!
honestly disgusting "journalism" by tvnz.
She literally went back and asked him to classify what he said. - its hardly "not listening" its literally giving him an opportunity to speak (again)
Shane Jones is behind the times which is why his only point of defence is to say its all drama or showmanship . He's missed the waka. It left long ago heading toward an already advanced Maori culture. I think he realises how inappropriate and out of date his retorts or opinions are.
@@globalieltstrainersgit7707 We literally just voted that yr sort are not the voice of NZ, sit down and be quiet, the adults are in charge now.
What have Maori done for Maori with some of the money they have received? Majority of country would love to Know @@globalieltstrainersgit7707
This host needs to go. She is a big part of the left wing media bias.
Agree, and she deliberatly speaks more Te reo than is needed ,she could be saying 'your fly is down' most wouldn't have a clue keep it simple and more will adopt it,force it and you get hate.
Interviewer needs to direct the blame on the destroyer rather than unjustifiably keep blaming the new govt.
For goodness sake, majority has spoken and they need to leave the new coalition parties to get on with making life better for ALL in NZ
Where was this rhetoric of 'the country voted' during covid?
Dirty hypocrite.
How much money is it costing to erase the names?
@@Kult365lol all of a sudden you're concerned with cost.
I could think of other terms far more appropriate than better.
@@user-jh2sr8bl8v aren't you concerned that the eradication money could be spent on potholes?
"People feel like they aren't being heard"
From the same bunch who turned the comments off on their coverage of the vandalism lol.
Stop calling that a protest.
Call it something that reflects the fact that criminal damage was done in the name of a cause.
I'm Māori and I see both sides of this situation.
I also see the political situation around the world and want peace for the people of the treaty.
My mokopuna includes little Māori guys and little pākehā guys.
Their lives deserve to be lived in peace.
Protest in Aotearoa is effective when it keeps everyone open to the dialogue.
New Zealand will only flourish when all Kiwis are equal, when "we look forward at opportunities and not backwards at perceived grievance".__ This statement is why we have multimillionaires and poor. The Grievance industry hurts most Maori and rewards just the Activists.
@@krisp4889
Not at all.
You set up a straw man by calling it a "grievance industry " and that is a weak way to address the situation.
You would probably characterise the entire attempt to address land confiscation as something other than grievance if it was your land, but you are happy to dispense with other people's ownership rights with a word.
And that is just the easiest aspect to equate with something that you can't refute.
Other rights guaranteed under the law are rights that you can't just dismiss from your armchair.
@@krisp4889not all just between Maori and pakeha not chinese, indian, etc😂😂😂they didn't sign the treaty...they have there own constitution in there own country
@bobkoroua land? What land? Lol
Despite what you may believe, most pakeha don't own massive kingdoms of thousands of acres of land lol.
In fact most own none.
@@user-jh2sr8bl8v
Shocking I agree.
But my point was to equate his slander to something he could imagine owning and having taken away.
65 % of households still own their house so most isn't completely accurate.
Presenter asks question.
Shane begins to answer.
Presenter talks over him before he is finished answering with something like "don't people just want to be heard**".
Yeah they do but they can't when people like you talk over them.
Short format interviews are outdated
This woman presenter detests the current coalition and can't stand any opposition to the Te Reo debate. Why is she given her own show?... the entire system is wretched and wants to propagate a one- sided view.
The presenter interrupted Shane to ask a clarifying question. She then apologized for interrupting and asked him to continue his answer, giving him all the time he needed to do so.
Jeez, Shane is a big boy who can handle a clarifying question. Makes me wonder about your mental fortitude (and how you judge Shanes) if you're this upset over a journalist asking a clarifying question! Are you ok?
the tv news channel journalist's are made up mainly of left wing activists and / or confused males ( if you get my drift ) it's about time we had some real journalists who dish out the unbiassed truth. time for a clean out !!
@@chrisrutherfurd9338 would love to see more long format with all the major politicians to see some substance behind there statements, morals and party views. Would love to see the end of these tick tock style clips, with at least one participant tring to get the next viral gotcha moment.
@@jedipsy The apology was to create an opportunity to bring up Chloes extra question. The statement used to interrupt was ironic. Has nothing to do with emotions or mental state, that's a weird conclusion.
Main stream media in NZ is so blatently left it's sad.
Real facts and the truth is blatantly left you mean 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@facepalm7345 no, the framing of events does not equate to "truth".
@@megustalations6965 Exactly why the right wing constantly make fools of themselves, right? They are the only ones who are deciding what they want the world to be and then bending their perceived reality to fit what they feel. Feelings aren't facts!
How much to change back from Maori to English ? Chloe, WTF How much did it cost to change from English to Maori in the first place, can you tell us that, what about the consultation with non Maori?
Wasn't asked when changed from English to Maori last time. Was just done. so apart from a govt what's changed. Two supposed Treaty breaches don't make a right. @@samosajoe
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T PAY TAX THEN, Its not my Govt either, just for the record. But I am paying some of the wages for these budging full time protesters I guess.@@samosajoe
Sorry, do you think that non-Maori need to be consulted about whether it's ok to use one of New Zealand's official languages in New Zealand?
Didn't take you long to bring the racist card. Pretty much all one could expect I guess. Have a great Christmas.@@samosajoe
Yes, Why not? Maori believe we need to be consulted on everything. So why not consult non Maori. @@AnthonyFlack
Why are we giving activist Chloe any chance to spew her wokery. The country voted, didn’t want a bar of Greens and therefore don’t care what she thinks now.
Hi Finn! The answer to your question is really simple. Major news outlets will - from time to time - invite politicians on air to discuss relevant topics.
Chloe is a politician.
Easy ay? Now do you understand? I can probably find some crayons if you want me to draw you a picture. What's your favourite colour?
Because she is the lefts golden girl who ticks all the woke boxes
@@mrspecialk1234 people who make sweeping statements using unhelpful words like left/right and woke, only expose their limited intellectual capacity and inability to see and understand nuance.
However, if it is your goal to shout your ignorance into the void, my bad! As you were...
TV1 is woke, that's why. They even rolled out UN stooge Helen Clarke to talk about the need for a ceasefire coz she's still TV1's Prime Minister 😅
😂 why do people who know NOTHING about politics like to comment on political posts like they have a point.
Chloe IS a member of NZ Parliament in the Greens Party.
The Greens Party is currently an Opposition Party in NZ Parliament.
An Opposition Party has the responsibility of questioning EVERYTHING the sitting Government does. National and Act performed abysmally in opposition yet you believe they’ll run the country better 🤣
Your entire comment is all feelings and has no factual basis at all, but you got the likes 🤣 good job 👍🏽
You do the damage you get prosecuted, vandalism is a crime. Jenny May needs to interview rather present a case or defend the perpetrators of the damage.
I don't think they're saying that anyone shouldn't be prosecuted, don't you think it's important our media should focus on the cause of this issue? Apparently if we had it your way they just would've bagged the vandals and moved on huh? If people protest even if it's in a way you dislike, listen to their reasons and stop being ignorant, it helps the fabric of our society
@@popethescope Why did the vandals do that.
@@stevehughes1510 Isn't it what this video is about? You can act like you don't know but you were just complaining that they were talking about it instead of - hello bad guy do bad thing, LOCK EM UP! No government agenda to complain about here!
@@popethescope So you're saying it's a Govt agenda that caused these folk to wilfully damage property. Are you the sort of person that would do the same as these vandals.
@@stevehughes1510 I am saying that it's most likely the cause, I did not justify encourage or support anything of the sort, your questions speak volumes on how you perceive these issues.
Tell me Chloe, where was the question when these Department Maori names were put forward, about how much it will cost. I don't recall them. Weren't they just railroaded in? Shane has answered very well, same names will stay, some will go because they don't fit.
And of course Te Papa will keep it's name, it has always been called that. Shane is right again, it's all an exaggeration by the left and some Maori. Te Reo isn't going anywhere, just toned down a bit in a couple of areas.
That’s a bit of a pointless jab.
The government you seem to be supporting in this comment were the opposition at the time, why did THEY not ask the question and YOU jump up and down THEN to show your disagreement BEFORE the money was spent?
Do you actually understand how politics works? The government AND the opposition each have a role. National and Act done stuff all to hold Labour to account but here you are blaming Chloe and the Greens 🤦🏽♀️🤣🤣
how do you know the new government havnt been totally upfront or done their research with the changes they want to make the first question has to be how much will it cost to change the names back
@deantairi8357 one comment you're accusing the government of misleading the public, and then you're wholeheartedly trusting them lol.
Well said and great point about the questions when they got changed in first place
@@skovdzschitt3230You are the one that doesn't seem to understand how politics work? The previous govt had the majority votes so it doesn't matter if the opposition disagrees with them.
Chloe overuses 'reductive binary'. Her way of shutting down democracy.
Binary is her favourite word. She’s always spouting binary, binary, binary!
Chloe looked so smug when she asked the question about what to call Te Papa. ...it really only showed her ignorance and it is sad our leaders try to take cheap shots. Te Papa was started by Sir James Hector and was called "the Colonial Museum & Geological Survey". I am sure he would have been proud to know it would also be called Te Papa one day. Chloe and others should play the ball, with the facts and not try to take cheap shots.
Labour's breakfast presenter Jenny
Chloe is still cooked I see
It would be easier to follow what’s going on if Chloe got the barcode/scribble face .She would then be quickly and easily identified as a lead clown in the caravan of fools.
Why do people think its OK to destroy public things. Our tax payers money. All I think is vandalism not good on you.
Because they don't see pakeha as fully human. Never have, never will.
It definitely show's where things are going here, and it will only get worse. There is nothing stopping Aotearoa NZ turning into what we see in many other countries are or have been. Violence & misery. Love those that love you back, & keep them close. Dark years ahead for us all.
When your displaying false translations in English of the Treaty and are told numerous times to put it right and just being ignored who can blame them. That is misleading the Public which is wrong.
are yous for real not listening the translation at te papa is incorect
@@user-dv6rr5ld4mI thought two English gentlemen drafted the treaty and that this draft was then translated into Maori by an English missionary and his son.
Cloe Swarbrick is definitely not talking for the majority of New Zealanders, so why is she on the panel to be interviewed by a political biased, TVNZ representative
Chloe Swarbrick speaks for a huge portion of New Zealanders. Just not the over 60s club 😂
Lefties ???
@@janbrown9195 No, just honest people that can think things through ..... you know ,,,,what you would call woke =)
See, the wonder of democracy is that the parties do allow the opposition to still have the power to speak publicly. And everyone is politically biased, including you, but when YOU are in the minority we can still hear your beautiful voice intelligently discussing the issues at hand
Chloe is just in it to disrupt, absolutely no constructive contribution. All about bashing the new government before it has even had a chance to get off the ground. Sour grapes.
Chloe acting like she made a difference in government
Interrupted his answer to talk about people not feeling listened to lol MSM
Wow. Chloe is just all the obnoxious ey. Trying to make it about her, talking over Shane, not waiting her turn and just generally acting unprofessional. She needs media training stat, my gosh. If the greens ever want to try to understand why they don't have more support, it's behaviour like that. She understands she's at work, right?
To media stop with the rubbish....people are responsible for their own actions..those desecrating..have no manna....This not the way to be hear#..no respect..
Yeh. Neither do people who can't spell .....or do you take pride in misspelling Māori words. I am quite certain you will make no effort to figure out what you misspelt and how to spell it correctly.
exactly. What the hell has happened to TVNZ?
@@comment1984 Saying someone who can't spell has no mana is disgusting and kills any credibility of you or your statement.
Do you think that the protest/vandalism whatever you want to phrase it as - would have happened because of the actions of the new governmenet?
I think, no - we wouldn't have see it; if it were not for the actions of the likes of the ACT party policies... we knew this was coming before the election (evreyone was saying racial tension was going to grow), well here it is...
Yes, it is a reaction to the government. - they could easily have not rushed some of the polices through; they didn't - this is what you get.
and its going to get worse.
@@drbray great. you can spell. honestly you made my day. i'll disagree with you though ...was it disgusting her asserting they have no mana? or are you offended for another reason? perhaps if they want to criticize Māori by using te reo then they can at least use it properly. ....or is that the ultimate insult to you? How dare I ....yes I have not used capitals e.t.c
Chloe really loves the word BINARY doesn't she, interesting to see she gets to represent the Maori voice of the the Green Party.
It's Trans .
@@stewatparkpark2933 what?
@@callumc9426 Stewart is saying Chris is using the wrong pronoun for Chloe.
Reductive binary is such poseur language adopted to feign an intellectual position of strength. Keep it simple Chloe but not too simple that you lose the nuances and necessary specifics of an issue.🤣
Cloe and the Greens have become an unscientific reallocation group and have forgotten what there cause is
You have a right to protest, not to get your way.
you'll note that the "you have a right to protest" thing wasn't applied so generously to the covid protest. Even though they were 100% right.... we still have covid, without masks and lockdowns. Those people were conspiracy cookers hey.
Kiwis have you noticed that almost all political news items aired are not open to comments.....
You don't seem to understand- we've already won this battle, we already have won our rights, you guy's are going back on the word of your ancestors, what's good for the goose...🤷♂️
Don't you think it's a bit on the nose that you have to seek changes in the UN to even make changing a treaty possible 🤔
@@myresponsesarelimited7895 the UN holds no legal powers in NZ. And the UN does not recognise the treaty, as a treaty. The treaty is not a legally empowered document. In NZ all laws flow from the government. If you want change you have to ask the government. I'm a democracy you have to get a majority to agree with you. No every group will be able to have it's agenda signed into law.
The only people to blame are the people that did the damage. Own your actions. Don’t blame others. Interesting how perspective of destruction and vandalism is different for this vs the covid protests that happened on parliament grounds.
Interesting Chloe said there does need to be a conversation.. yet all that’s happening with the protests is attempts to shut down conversation.
@@dm45t1n play the victim ? Not sure what you mean. I have no attachment to Te Papa. Vandalism is vandalism regardless of what the “cause” might be. Hopefully they face the full penalty for their actions.
A conversation does need to happen (hearing all sides and perspectives, not just one sides) regards the treaty as there seems to be quite differing takes on what it means. Clearly even amongst the protestors as they disagree with the English version. So sure they have started some conversation, correct.
But I’m not sure what they are protesting about. This government has said it will look at clarifying how the treaty is interpreted so discussion will be able to be had as part of that process. No outcome has been determined yet. Literally nothing has happened other than a bunch of people catastrophizing about what might happen.
They have only been in government what two or three weeks now and already those that didn’t get who they wanted in government are spitting the dummy like children.
Individual behaviour and action is what will fix this country. Not the government of the day. People need to be better individuals. Take ownership of their actions, do positive things for themselves and others. Stop relying on the government to fix their woes. Or we can have chaos and anarchy like it seems some people want. What a great country that will be.
@@kiwi792the plan has been laid out in front of us, you say nothing has happened yet but already the language is being eradicated through legislation.
@@kiwi792None of this is based on any actual reality whatsoever. Virtually all revolutions were built on actions of a few, whether or not the powers of the day allowed a conversation or not. Whether they are correct in history or not. This also goes the same for the Wellington protests under the previous government.
@@Kult365 nothing has been done. Te Reo is never going to be eradicated. To say so is ridiculous.
@@kiwi792 I wish you were right but the guy literally says it in this interview @5:38 .
Chloe: the answer is more tax. What’s your question?
Shane Jones, being a Maori himself, talks total sense. Good one
, Shane.
Why does tvnz give so much oxygen to these extreme left wing views
Because they're on the same side.
Every viewpoint can be labeled as extreme if it is opposite to one's own view. Surely it is far better to listen to other opinions than stop them appearing on any show/news? That way a discussion can be had on the merits and not on partisanship.
If the greens were to have full reign of power you would realize how extreme they are@@dm45t1n
Same reason tvnz have now let people comment on their videos now
Because they were paid and signed a contract to do so.
Why is Thick as a Swarbrick still getting any airtime?
because she is less thick than people commenting on youtube
Peace be with you.
Fantastic Shane love your work
Does Chloe ever take a breath when she speaks? So much hot air
You cant counter any of her points, gotcha.
speaks the truth
@@deantairi8357Chloe going to turn NZ into failed state like South Africa watch this space
@deantairi8357 your opinion isn't truth bro, lol.
I'd personally like her to acknowledge the significant part that the Green Party played in the lobbying the government back in the late 1990s for the removal of timber treatment. This was a major contributor to the leaky building problem that cost this country billions and is still costing. Total silence from Chloe and the Greens.
This is painful to watch, Chloe trying her best to to appear relevant and up to date with Maori ...yet not being clear or concise in answer.
At least Shane makes his parties position clear and and there is sense and reason in that position.
Swarbrick blazed as. Look at her eyes lol
I just see a display of of eye rolling and smirks. Not behaviour I would expect to see in a Member of Parliament.
Every government that has come in in the last 30 years at least has looked at wealth tax and decided it will cost nearly as much to administer as it will collect. Tax is supposed to be a way of raising money to run the country. Not a way to punish those who Are successful.
Tax policy should not allow the wealthy free reign to make large sums without paying tax while taking every cent they possible can on wages?
Making people pay on all income just as they do with wages is not punishing the successful, it's making things equitable to what wage earners have to pay which is on every dollar earned. The idea that collecting money from millions of dollars received from profit on, for example, a sale of a property, and then to say it costs more to administer than what the tax department would recieve is ridiculous, as is the idea that it is penalizing success.
@alanchapman2782 tax has nothing to do with "making things equitable" lol
your clearly one of the few wealthly ones benefiting from this
When successive generations are locked out of the housing market in their own country, the government must act through taxation via capital gains taxes, wealth taxes, land taxes and stamp duties for investors/speculators. And let's throw in a windfall tax for any foreign company taking billions offshore.
@@user-jh2sr8bl8v I don't bother with anyone who's got a week old account, and cannot give a factual reason why they disagree or when they give a sweeping statement without reasons for their conclusions.
This was probably the most restrained and 'respectful' I've seen Chloe, and it was refreshing. I get sick of her loosing her shit every time she talks to Brooke van V (justified or not). One can disagree with someone/something without getting overly emotional and agressive.
Kia Kaha Shane, you did your best explaining the situation to those of the IQ levels of the Green Party and the MSM, it's a thankless task. The reallity is that no one today was there is 1840, the English produced the lexicon for Maori at the time and only recently are Maori (a small part of it) trying to make out they were shafted.
Shame on TVNZ for taking sides on this, have some journalism standards and stay natural and without any bias. There is no reason to be on one extreme side of the culture wars.
Swarbrick seems to have a propensity to call people liars. She called the Prime Minister a liar in Parliament, and she's effectively called Shane Jones a liar here in this program.
Shane is pure class
Yet the lady next to him made excuses for her peers' criminal and destructive behavior.
You spelt colonesian wrong😂
Lol ...saying that creep is class ...says a lot about you
@@comment1984 thank you
@@Alex-it5ej Kei te pai. You two classy dudes should get a hotel room together and watch some of Shane's fav movies ....on the tax payer's dime =)
I don't trust anything Chloe Swarbrick as to say.
Not an isolated incident, Yachting cup smashed etc,
When the replica Endeavor visited Gisborne it had to have a fence put up around it because it was being vandalized.
@@user-jh2sr8bl8v Total disrespect by Maori but in return they expect total respect from all citizens of NZ for all they hold precious... they have to learn you have to earn respect not demand it.
Yep Ranfurly cup broken
@@valeriehughes1008 Ok. Apply that to yourself. How much should i respect said Nzers that have benefited from theft and continue to do so. How much should I respect people that don't want to right the wrongs of the past but just say "get over it", "stop living in the past". How much should I respect people that hate the use of your language, that start booing or calling you a trouble maker for speaking your own language. How much should I respect people that expect a bail out from the government from for billions of dollars when banks or financial institutions fail, when those same people say Māori just want handouts for stolen land.
From your comment you clearly think poorly of Māori, so why would I respect you when it is clear where you stand ... are you so entitled that you think that you have earned it somehow?
One Tree Hill
Anyone he gives any credibilty to that silly child Swarbrick needs to be certified.
I have no issue with people voicing their opinion but I do have issue with vandalism and groups who say what they want to say and how they want to say it but no other group has that same right. The Treaty was signed by TWO races, Maori and English. As for history, you are all capable of distorting the REAL truth as there are so many versions of NZ history, depending on who is telling it, it is getting rediculous!
Chloe cares about the costs suddenly???? Didn‘t care when they changed the names in the first place.
Trying to claim that the vandals didn't feel listened to is pathetic. Differing views on the Treaty have been discussed ad nauseam. What she means is that the vandals haven't got their way instantly and are therefore acting like spoilt children. No wonder Chloe supports them.
They havent been listened to.... hence the protest.
How would you feel if it were your rights being attacked after your people won the war. and mad a pact?
...so now kiwis don't want to honour the treaty because they feel it doesn't suit them anymore ...yet we're the complainant?...
🤷♂️🤦♂️
Curious- you think we and Palestinians should just be quiet and take gross injustice on the chin right? ...
@@myresponsesarelimited7895 who and Palestine?
@@drbray you know who don't ask stupid questions- who's rights are they trying to get repealed?🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Weak from Chloe on the terrorists.
I'd be interested to know what percentage of people in New Zealand could tell you what "reductive binary" means.
I'm a Communist. That's what it means.
These brainwashed young people don't know what they are doing.
Nailed it about how young people see the Treaty as a charter of indigenous rights, Te pati will push this narrative.
The majority of visitors don't understand the maori version because the majority of visitors do not understand te reo maori and or aren't maori so how could they compare the 2??
remember when people respected age and wisdom was something only gained with time.. i think the youth of today are in for a big shock when they become the stale voice in the room and they have wisdom but no one will listen to them any longer ,idealism is great for the youth but realism soon kicks in
The Treaty is NOT a document of indigenous rights, it's a partnership document! And Chloe is really condescending....oh, I forgot, she's left-wing!!!
Yeah I know right and the pākehā dishonerd their half of that Partnership and still is now go do your home work!!
@digiaotearoa5897 no the Maori are fully protected under law. In fact many enjoy a privileged status above it lol.
It is not a partnership
@@user-jh2sr8bl8v wheres the evidence that suggests Maori are more incentivised by the treaty as opposed to non Maori?
So all of the sudden being indigenous is considered above normal status.
Explain how so? And if its cause Maori are indigenous to the land, how is it unfair to be indigenous to the land and the so called privileges associated with it, if what already belonged to Maori was theirs to begin with?
Might as well tell the indigenous King of England Charles to stop being royal and all privileges associated with it be squashed as being indigenous is unfair
if she was anymore left she would doing the limbo into the studio.
So the governments rhetoric was to blame. Wrong: it isn't events that affect us but how we choose to react.
I don't agree. Colonization do effect us all. on top of that there is a reality of choice and reactions. If you are shot dead in a war that have nothing to do with you or your culture you are robbed of your choice. Stand up and be relevant.
@@benjamindemontgomery6317 it doesnt though. Leave things in the past and move forward and take responsibility for your own actions.
@@dm45t1n just like the movie says let it f*** go already.
@@dm45t1n "justice" and its not up to you either. Try using all that hate for something positive instead.
@@dm45t1n says the person bitching online lmao. The hypocrisy is palpable.
Not protest, vandalism! Oh Its Maori, its ok!
oh you're a racist ..... oh you're not Māori, it's ok!
Oh you vandalized the bins around Tauranga putting paint on the maori translation which is funded by tax payers money . Oh not vandalism?
Jeepers. If you have someone in her position on LIVE TV saying "Isn't that what happens when people don't feel listened to?" Then ofcourse more people are going to act unlawfully. Literally giving excuses for the poor behaviour on live air! Terrible TVNZ!!
Wealth tax has always been stupid. You should always give people a reason to try be successful. Telling them theyll be taxed even harder just because you tried harder isn't a good incentive.
I don't think it's appropriate the interviewer laughs at the end, demonstrates bias, when they should be impartial.
Terrible journalism what a woke joke
I filmed the ‘restore passenger rail’ protest on Friday, at least three of the attendees were at the museum ‘protest’….. fact.
Shocker.
@@logicalanswer3529 haha
Yeh” rent a mob.
She interrupts him to talk about the need for people to be listened to😂
Saw on fb Māori moaning about the defacement at te papa saying its going to make Māori look bad and who ever done it shouldn't have lol
your characterisation of moaning could be kinder - objecting is a good thing. It's a moderate and sensible view that we ought not to be too extreme. Sign me up as a moaner I guess.
Who are Māori that you are referring to? It is like saying, I saw Pakehā moaning on fb.
Hypocrisy of TV1. What about the freedom protests, were they not allowed to be listened to?
This interviewer likes the sound of her own voice. Yap, yap, yap.
waving her inked paws around for all to see.
im a worker i voted for this goverment thank god they got in and also that is the first time iv ever herd Chloe even say the name worker ever
Shane Jones I have respect for these days, Chloe Swarbrick none at all, Jennie May very little.
For goodness sake woman,you have two ears and one mouth so you should listen twice as much as you speak ,talking over people you are interviewing is just plane bad manners. We are not interested in your opinion but would have liked to have heard shane and chloe's answers uninterrupted.
The solution is simple. The new sign at Te Papa should be a direct English translation of the agreement Māori signed.
Exactly!
Which dialect of Maori will take top position?
@@user-jh2sr8bl8v Care to provide any examples of any misunderstanding about the meaning of rangatiratanga among Māori who signed te Tiriti o Waitangi.
The "English version" on display appears to be the rogue Freeman document, which includes flowery embellishments not present in the Maori Treaty. The museum should not represent this as authentic.
@@michaeltoohey1385 appears to be. You could get a job at TV1.
It's New Zealand. End of line.
Shane Jones...youre awesome bro!
Chloe’s argument about not ceding sovereignty is based on the idea that Maori were able to be duped when the treaty was written and signed. I think that’s a bit far fetched considering they had been trading for decades with the many different nationalities that had bothered to sail here. The old chiefs who signed need to be given a bit more credit that actually they knew what they were up to.
I think a great display at Te Papa would be to have 20-30 independently translated versions of the existing texts so we could get an idea of the range of differing interpretations. Like everything there’s going to be more than one view
By estimates of the missionaries based on the number of warriors of each hapu 500,000 Māori, even low estimates based on cook sailing around the coast 100,000 (Hawaii had 500 000) versus a few thousand Europeans concentrated in a few trade ports.
The same chiefs had declared independence 5 years earlier for the pragmatic reason of having a flag and getting trade recognition to avoid ship seizure.
Though the English draft talked about sovereignty, the Māori draft put forward and signded didn't.
Politics in England, between England and France, and English captains competing for berths desperately naming everything for their sponsors at admiralty may have spun it but no sovereignty was ceded.
The call for a treaty resulted from Hobson's earlier visit to provide security for the few thousand settlers, probably why he left his family in Australia at first and sleep on ship (especially given his carribean experiences) Britain didn't want the expense of troops but also wanted to break free of the control of chiefs like Hone Heke which is why the moved the capital further south, sort and got the protection of Waikato chiefs who placed Auckland under their Korowai.
So no they didn't cede sovereignty. The settlers had autonomy but were under the protection and good will of the local hapu. By now we'll armed and experience d.
Things change as the numbers of settlers rise and pass those of Māori in different localities, especially in the South Island as wars of colonization are fought and governors use local allies and fabricate threats to get English troops and use them to break the power bases of the strongest tribes.
It's only after this Māori are brought into settler government as their power base, land and population shrinks as women and children are slaughtered, starved and forced off lands, breaching the treaty in a similar way to treaties being signed and broken in the US.
So what we have is hapu who never ceded sovereignty, but had it taken at gunpoint in breach of a treaty, who now have a growing population of Māori many who can also whakapapa to Europe and a settler government whose numbers advantage of those who can't whakapapa to Māori is kept only by constant top up from migration.
One way or another Māori voice will be heard at local government level from the hapu, and national level.
New Zealanders will increasing share a Māori identity, mixed with a that of other heritages.
It must be exhausting for the distant relatives of natives 200 years ago to go through life as entitled victims.
@samosajoe can't, all their money's been sucked up by a government that hates them.
Aren't Maori from the cook islands? Lol
@@user-jh2sr8bl8vdidn’t we all originate from Africa? lol
@samosajoe Not like it? Are you kidding??? It's fucking hilarious.
Chloe is a waste of oxygen . Should not be any where near the halls of power.
yes we need a constitution, I would be horrified to see one written by Chloe.
Just remove both copies from TePapa..
Going to stop watching one news until they report in a fair, unbias way. Let me know when their act is togethor .
Wait did the interviewer just blame the vandalism on the new government? How ridiculously bias can you get.
@@robintamihere4550 I agree, you might want to reread my comment.
The principles are a modern invention in the 70s and there are about 26 of them, the treaty has 3 articles.
Shane Jones would make a good succesor of Winston
Tax the rich in NZ is a sick mantra. Why Labour is insisting on taxing more? I earn more because like many other Kiwi I do work overtime. I earn more, my kids don't get the government allowance
People don't necessarily get paid based on how hard they work .... clearly if you pay people less then you get to keep more for yourself .....that has nothing to do with being more deserving. If you think you are more deserving because you did all the right things and if you can get away with it ....well then that's fine ...but then what is difference between you and someone that thinks they can just walk into a store and steal something because they can get away with it??
@@comment1984are you saying theft from stores is OK ?
@@redtobertshateshandles
Not at all. I'll try again.
Stealing bad. Underpaying people bad. One legal, one not. Morally both same.
Is that clearer?
There is only one treaty, it is called Te Tiriti. If you have any confusion around this then google Contra proferentem. It is a rule of contract interpretation that states an ambiguous contract term should be construed against the drafter of the contract. The term contra proferentem is derived from a Latin phrase meaning “against the offeror.”
That is the maori translation from well after it was written. There was no maori word for treaty at the time.
Chloe sporting the old cat lady hair style and talking words.
Peace be with you.
What alot of people don't know is that the english version on display was never signed upon. The original document was lost and had to be rewritten from memory.
The original document was found in 1986 and has been put under lock and key because it is not politically useful at this time.
It is a storm in a teacup, I say. Suggest focusing on the poverty in NZ e.g., the huge amount of kids in certain groups who only wish for Christmas is a meal. Guys get your priorities straight.
I was a kid worried about food and hated Christmas. It was just a time of stress. I had a job interview recently where I was asked what I thought about co-governance. I'm trying to change jobs because I work with people that think it is ok to perform impromptu mock haka. When those hungry kids grow up I hope they don't live in a world where lies about the past and Māori are still the go to for winning an election.
@@comment1984 Very sorry to hear that was how you spent Christmas. Please speak up today for these children, who don't care about any treaties and just need to have some “normality” in their lives.
@@CHCHNZ461 Thanks. Christmas got better when my mother realized we didn't care about stuff like that. As we get older though you do begin to care about things like the treaty because it's about fairness. The effect of living in a world you see as being unfair can be an extreme hardship. I own my home but every election cycle it's a burden listening to the anti Māori rhetoric. Reality is that you're right, for a lot of kids just having a meal is far more important and I have never actually benefitted from any treaty settlement anyway, but I do hope these kids will grow up in an environment where they are not hated. Plenty of good people in NZ but there are plenty that aren't.
Jenny May looks smug!
Good on you Shane, your so right. Chloe is just like her party/labour/maori parties who are so angry about there idiotic policies being thrown out I think they need counseling, including TV1, ACTUALLY OUR NEW GOVERNMENT ARE THE 3 WISE MEN. Maybe in 2024 Tv1 needs to re brand and speak solely Maori, if not then to be fair, start throwing in some English words into the maori news/documentaries
shane jones is certainly stepping up to the plate ....nz1st is in good hands going 4wrd
Chloe couldn’t even answer the Xmas question straight😂😂 Trumped by Shane yet again , o dear😮
The persistence of news people to assert how long they have is getting realy tired. Ask questions that can be answered in 2 min then, insread of spending 30 seconds (1/4 of the time) stating how long you have. Right ?😁
Back to net ball and the Maori Party time clean out TVNZ..Chloe is a nutter
1News/journalists are so grossly biased
Thank you so much for keeping the “comments open”. We see exactly how our funny little nation thinks and they’re not as silly as you think we are..
lmao for thinking this comment section represents the country
@@archyneverpicked Yeah we should have a vote or something to find out what the country really thinks. Oh yeah, we just did.