The 12V, 24V, 240V all in one diesel heater - the oddest heater I've seen. Tested and taken apart.
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- It's a long one. But that's because there is a lot going on with this heater. Did I mention it runs on 12V, 24V, and 240V?
I'm astounded at the earth not being grounded but also impressed at it's multi voltage function. It's good to see these heaters evolving.
If you watch Clive's teardowns you will find it common in products made in China. (Dangerous and Careless)
I like the half and half aluminium cover as well 🙂
Great review as always, these are some of my absolute favourites to watch, I only wish you could do more per week, they are great evening viewing!!
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Another great, informative and funny vid. Thanks. Keep em coming 👍
Definitely an interesting heater, i noticed so many of these don't have a fuel filter. I look forward to your videos
You could add a external small exhaust fan to a pipe. So when you are testing heaters. The exhaust is sucked outside , no fan noise.
Thanks for another great video from the man with the best
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Awesome review thank you for sharing this with us, Stay safe happy and healthy from Henrico County Virginia
It has a mains converter fitted 240v where all the bad wiring is fitted and on the left side has been reduced to 24v via the converter/reducer, the pump is 24v and the glow plug is 24v you can have a converter that gives you 12v, 24v, and the converter/dropper is powered by 240v.
I bought a Chinese Diesel Heater 3 years ago and it still works great. I have a 24 x 24 workshop and at -40 it cannot keep a lot of cold out, but its better than nothing.
mine worked for about 1 month...seems very hit and miss these heaters 🥴
Add another.
You'll probably overheating it because you havent the exhaust which is about an inch from underneath ,try and letting the heat disperse away from the table , then it might be ok on a continuous burn instead of cutting out
Guessing the misfiring is because the exhaust and intake were not separated and it was being allowed to ingest it's own exhaust gases?
The English speaking and the full system diagram screen were quite a surprise. 😂
I have one. Opened it up and found the exact same nightmare. Took all the mains PSU junk out, so that I was NEVER tempted, and nobody else could make a mistake.
Reversed polarity on the PSU output, too. I’ll wait to see if you discover the same!
Remote priming would be ace for a remote fuel tank. I needed help priming whilst I lay under the van watching fuel move and air bubbles disappear.
However, in this case (literally), somewhat unnecessary.
I thought about perhaps a long fuel prime. But then you just let it run into a container.
The disconnected/cliped earth/ground is apparently very commonplace in Chinese products as seen on many of Big Clive's videos.
I do enjoy a Big Clive video.
Just checked ebay and I see there now is a 110v version for us folks in the USA as well. It costs $250.00 US. Awesome vid as usual.
Did you buy one? If so, do you like it?
Where? I looked on ebay and could not find one.
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Have you disassembled any of the Truma propane units (air & air/water)? I'm thinking of purchasing one but wonder if one could just retrofit a diesel unit to work w/lpg.
A man and his toys. Heaven.
"Honey, dinner's ready."
"Shaddup an' git me nother beer! Ahm bizzy."
The more traditional heaters I have were all advertised as 12 or 24 volt (I think) but I always was glad I didn't have to try it. I'd love one with that body on it though. I could really use the air blow feature here in summer because it gets cold outside (bushland) even when the days are 40 degrees. Would be like an air con. Cheers - interesting stuff.
Most are either because they were designed to run in lorries which are 24v as well camper vans which are mostly 12v. My houseboat has both so I run my heater on 24v, it's more efficient, you can use thinner (cheaper) wiring and you get less voltage drop over distance.
@@popuptoaster Yes I agree. I am off grid (48 volt and inverter as well as the old 12 volt system for water etc) so I had to add a 12 volt supply next to the heater from the house or the power drop is out of control even over a short distance. I use a UPS as well after destroying one heater during power outs - very efficient now. Cheers
I think the bolt contacts for the 12 volts; are for attaching the heater to a car battery. That heater would be great in an old Volkwagen.
Hi, ive got one in a homemade off road camper. i upgraded the screen and at first it just had errors. found out there are settings to change from 24v to 12v in the menu. as the screen arrived set to 24v. hope this helps someone
good review blu, this any good for a small living room (15X15)?
To bend that exhaust to clear you do 2 things....First you use a socket that just fits inside the pipe smooth end, add an extension on it. Push it all the way down to the ribs inside the pipe and use the extension to give you leverage to do the bend needed. Second you test fit it and then trim the smooth part back as needed to clear the floor and the body of heater and clamp on. I use a cookie sheet under mine to act as a sort of heatshield to keep exhaust heat off of the floor or table etc. you set the heating unit on. Hot glue a couple of stacked coins to bottom corners of cookie sheet to allow some airflow between floor and cookie sheet. Frustrating they did not allow for this clearance in any of the one unit designs but there are multiple ways around the problem besides just stacking bricks for it to set on. I use a similar power supply to run my units except they are 120/240v switchable and 12v 30 amp. Low cost (around $12 US when I bought mine) and surprisingly reliable, mine have been in use for 3 years with no problems.
I wonder what would happen if you switched it between 12v and 24v while it was running
That PSU doesn't look like it's rated to operate in below freezing temperatures. So much open space leaves a lot of room for condensation, hence shorting risks.I suppose a 12V voltage regulator can solve the issue of keeping 24V from frying the pump.
great stuff. what is the lowest temperature setting on the thermostat
Thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video it has been instrumental in my purchasing decision, Eberspacher it is 👍🏻 fuck the expense I value my life !
This heater is a particularly bad example. There are other heaters that cost very much less than the Eberspachers and Webastos and are equal to if not better in quality. Lavaner would be my first choice.
@@DavidMcLuckie haven’t heard of that particular make thank you for bringing it to my attention 👍🏻
That made me laugh, "Be careful kids" when stripping this down..😂
Great video, how long would those power banks run that diesel heater for?
So if the motherboard fails will it put 24 volts through the heater instead of 12?
Very interesting video. Where can i purchase this heater and what is the model called? I think it could be a great heater with a few tweaks to the wiring
Hi love the videos. will these work off house heating oil as its cheaper
You can do that with the regular portable heaters just add a 20 watt inverter and you could build it better but if someone wanted the complete version that may work for them
Helloooo . I have one not one like that just with 12 volt and it is really good. I do put a little fuel conditionor like Howes and I do believe it seems to burn a little cleaner and real limited carbon build up . Take care tks and keep them comin . Cheers
It would be helpful if the heater unit could be rotated to have top exit exhaust and side exit exhaust also.
It also can be used on a tractor a boat a snow mobile even walking with the jackery if you can carry everything.
I’m going to buy one to use at market stalls in the winter.
Yes. Side exit exhaust would have been fine. Could have done it so the flame front hole still doesn't leak.
it can be rotaeted you just have to drill some new holes in the alu cower and tap them then use the cupdril to make new houls in the top
Hello there, nice job... Do you have a link to the heater?
Was going to say "Mel's big van small world" channel just got in a diesel heater with a fuel tank on top. But obviously he doesn't have the thermal and the engineering stuff that you do. I believe it's a maxpeedingrods one, funnily enough they do a version like this one too, but without the 4 heating output connection.
David what do you do for a living your expertise on different things is unique don't know many engineers that have that wide of knowledge.
That's because I'm a baker. I just really, really like (a) taking things apart 9 (b) the process of making and editing videos.
@@DavidMcLuckie lots of early mornings?
What’s the best all in one case Diesel heater? Most compact? Best performance?
About 30 years ago I bought a second hand 24v eberspacher heater taken out of a cab with such dreams of converting into a compact portable unit, but there was bits missing that was going to cost too much obtaining them from the dealer so I shelved the idea.
Then last year I became aware of these sub £100 kerosene heaters that run on 12v.
Happy days 😁
I fitted extra pipe to run the exhaust outside.
I haven't tried it on any camping trips but I plan to test it as have a solar cell charger keeping my car battery topped up.
The next on my wish list is a kerosene fuel electricity generator which are made in India.
I have checked a few companies for their prices and delivery, but not sure about the import duties
@@paysage1617 - I will go through my notes to find the data and check to see if it's up to date and get back to you.
Basically I just used the search engines to find these people. They didn't appear on top of the list but I just kept digging.
Respect.
@@paysage1617 - PS. Just checked the latest prices on kerosene heating oil ... OMG it has quadrupled in a year.
Wish I had bought a few thousand litres then.
I love your TH-cam lab adventures
Are you sure that casting is aluminium?
Looks a bit like zinc or possibly magnesium (which can also burn of course - not fun).
Glad I always find the wierdest of stuff although I wish I bought that one now
Soo there is no air/fuel tuning or adjustment for elevation on this new controller? That seems like pretty necessary.
And yeah shame they never put feet on it that can actually fit an exhaust or route it to the side for you. Aaand the 4 port versions look cheese. I like the single port. Other than that... I think I might get one..
What if you supply 16 or 18 volts at the rear terminal? Does the mains converter automatically adapt for 115VAC input?
The heater will run on any voltage between 12V up to 24V. Don't know if the mains transformer is dual voltage.
I'm considering buying an all-in-one heater, but what do they expect you to do with the exhaust if you are moving it to different locations? Also, it needs some thermal insulation between the heater shroud and the fuel tank. Thanks for the video, it's a good example of why imports like these should be taken apart and checked. The lack of earth is crazy.
Rock wool insulation. Is perfect to keep the heat from the fuel. It works great keeping the metal exhaust pipe from burning you hand.
Prolly the best thing you could do is buy an inverter and add one to the unit you want i have mine mounten in my rv thats hooked to the dc side of the inverter with a low voltage fuel pump cut out that he did in a previous video
The heater shroud won't be any hotter than the air that is blowing out. That could be beneficial to the diesel in the tank in sub zero conditions.
12v is earthed back to the battery, mains is earthed through the plug. deisel burns more efficiently when its warmed and also prevent it from going waxy in really cold conditions making heater useless. the exhaust should be piped outside to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning and death ! common sense to prevail here.
What heater is this?
do you have a link to this heater?
ive got an all aluminium with 4 holes but it looks way nicer than that n no wall plug just 12 volt . hope your doing well
thanks for the walk around, i kinda like that 12v, 24v functionality, like it feels like they are giving flexibility to the solar setups say. jamming a mini Jackery in to a solar pannel and then shoving the air heater in to it sounds a nice little self sustaining setup, how much are these coming in at now, have they dropped a bit, it would be nice to get one to leave it in the box, where it would be fun to compare the cost of running it for the kw output compared to our pee take gas prices here now. must be getting closer after those hikes.
I got that one Amazon for £99. But that listing is gone now. A viewer found a similar one for £399, there is no way it's worth that amount of money.
@@DavidMcLuckie thanks for letting me know, yeah i wouldnt pay £300-£400, £150 feels about right, where £100 feels like a bargain even if you have to open it up and clean up the wiring. it looks about £30 for 20 litres of red diesel delivered in a tub atm, I will check in to how much a couple of solar panels for the dark days are, plus a battery and mppt charger are. id be interested to see for say £500 all in, how many months of heating that would provide when you factor in the cost of the solar, battery, charger, air heater and some fuel. Not sure how much red diesel one of those air heaters would eat in 24hrs say if you had it blasting the full whack, but it feels pretty close to the gas prices with the standing charges now, where gas boilers are pretty inefficent anyway.
Great review. Will be looking for a heater soon for a van, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated 👍
Just remember to keep a fire extinguisher close. 😃
Eberspacher, Webasto.
a link to this heater would be good
where did u get that plug from
Brilliant thank you.
Did you actually use this heater or was it too scary?
who makes it ? how many btu ?how much?
Hi, how many amps needs chinese diesel heater for normal running ?? i want to switch to 230v adapter instead of car batteries. 1 amp will be ok or more ?
They run at about 40W, but on start and shutdown it's more like 120W. I'd go with a minium 15A power supply.
Anyone know where this can be purchased and the make/model shown on this video? Perhaps a 12/24/115 v model instead of 220v unit?
It's a brandless heater, which has now disappeared. Haven't had another one yet that can run off 12 or 24V.
Will it run on 110 volts us power is what I would like to see
It was pulling in exhaust into the intake on the bench you need to put a longer pipe on
Very intriguing. That wiring was pretty sad with how poorly it was fed into the terminals though.
Great video where can I buy this please and what's name or make x
What's the name of this heater? I bought one that looks alot like this one. Maxpeedingrods. Crazy name lol
Brilliant content as always. Those live inputs are worrying as if that transformer fucks up it’ll be dumping 240v 50Hz to the bolts. 💀
Do you have a link to this item?
Hi David, as mentioned before on here I own one of these heaters, I need to strip it down and give it a service and clean. Are the gaskets generic on these things? Can I just buy a gasket set off Amazon ?
Yes. The electronics aren't quite as easy to just 'swap'. But the mechanicals are. You just have to check if you have the small body 2KW or the larger 4KW.
No you have to go in the controller to change it to 12 volts from 24 but maybe they made it automatically change
Hi Dave, another great vid. I was wondering now that we cannot get our hands on red diesel if you could suggest anything that is cheaper than regular diesel? 👍
I think domestic heating oil is still slightly cheaper than road diesel.
Lewis J - kerosene (heating oil) at 35p/litre
Why is 12-24v and 240v awkward? Sounds to me as reasonable; Automotive (esp trucks) voltage range and a stepdown transformer for 240v use. Spark or glow plugs usually work at these ranges... Right? And the pump might work within its tolerances too (range). Is the pump connected to the controller and driving the pump via PWM?
15:04 earth is mostly not connected for Chinese appliances due to the poor wiring practices here.
The oddest thing to me is: diesel? We can not easily obtain that here in China... Especially not at a pump. Let alone take gasoline by a jerrycan. Not available to regular consumers and not allowed.
On the control panel, there is a signal meter for 4g/5g...?
They are tracking all people heating with diesel from now on?
It's purely for show.
I just really have a hard time understanding why the control board is inside the heater instead of slightly longer wires to go outside?
Compactness.
Nice little heater just a shame the casing isn't a bit more robust but it does the job.
I have a question for you David, I have a diesel heater for my little spray booth which hasn't been used since the end of last winter, the last time I used it it was working fine so do I need to strip it down and clean the combustion chamber before I need to use it again? my limited intelligence is telling me if it was ok the last time it was used then it should be ok now but I have read that it's best to clean and service it at the start of the cold season🤷♂ thanks David👍
If you lived in a cold climate and your life depended on the heater running, then yes, I'd service it every year before the cold. But if it ran last time and isn't now home to vermin then chances are it'll fire right up and run all year again.
Thanks David that's what I hoped you would say, I think it will be fine.
@@JohnWD40TC02 I've heard a lot of people have issues with these chinesium type heaters because the manual misses out an important point;- these heaters need to be run at full power for about 30 minutes every 10 - 20 hours of use - people who complain of un-reliability, are running on thermostats at low power and basically soot up the combustion chamber...
Any idea is these are available again yet or something similar?
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Been researching budget friendly diesel heaters vs. Mini wood stoves for dry heat for my van. In a storm or a really cold night I don't see the ability to sustain the energy a diesel would need to run for an extended period of time if you don't have a way to replenish the power source as it runs. Please correct me if I am wrong. I am still learning about electricity and could be mistaken. Yet, I am really leaning towards a mini wood stove.
If power and power source is an issue then a wood burning stove would be the best choice as it requires zero power. Just your fuel (wood) and a chimney to keep the burn going.
Power consumption of this unit appears similar to the propane furnace in my truck camper(no insulation). I have 2x 100ah deep cycle batteries and have no trouble running it overnight with plenty of power to spare. I definitely wouldn't want to run it off the starter battery.
what is the simplest to use version of these heaters ? Looking for something that does noit have remote control ,and computer LCD digital screen, etc..
You can get a controller that is simply a knob and an on off button.
@@DavidMcLuckie Ty...but that has to be purchased seperately, or does any company make the heater that comes with simple analog contol ?
I run mine off my 300w Jackery knockoff.
Works brilliantly as I am in NZ it's getting used every day due to the rubbish weather for the last 4 months...
Would think if the loose polystyrene doesn't start a fire the rubbish wiring will.
I need to make a connection to a larger external fuel tank for my caravan.
Seeing it all apart looks like I can "T" in another line does that sound feasible??
As always cheers Dave
Don't those generally have a 10A limit on the 12V output? Most diesel heater exceed 10A at start up and call for a 15A supply?
Buy the normal diesel heater not this "all in 1" & they come with a separate tank you could put under the seats
Great video, I bought this machine off Amazon last year purely because of the 240v aspect and not having to be faffing with a 12v supply. Inside was a complete horror story like seen in this video. One thing I couldn’t figure out though was when switched off at the control panel and switched off at the wall plug but with the plug still in the socket-the machine still had something running inside… I could hear a humming sound so I pulled the plug out of the socket and it stopped. How can it do that? Or is my socket knackered?
The only thing I can think of is maybe the live and neutral are reversed in the plug. And it's somehow still coupled to earth?
Ah, maybe that’s what the guy on the Facebook group was talking about, he mentioned the wiring inside being incorrect-reverse polarity is what he said.
I’m not great with electrics so it’s over my head.
Your socket switch has to be knackered - even if they misfire Neutral/Earth in there, it still shouldn’t be able to access voltage, with the switch off.
Was starting to flame out because it was sucking the exhaust into the intake I've had the same thing happen with some that I've played with
That's the weird thing. It did it on camera, but not other times I was running on the bench off camera. It must know. :)
@@DavidMcLuckie that is weird that it happened on camera but didn't happen again.. 🤷🏼♂️
@@DavidMcLuckie Quantum heater.
Why exactly is it the Odest? Are you satisfied now or not? Dang it, just ordered it Yesterday ^^
That's a nice heater if you take it out of the case and set it up Properly. That's actually really cool. They just saved you the trouble of buying the converter so you can plug it into the wall. Usually these things are DC and you have to buy the cord and power convert separately.
Like I just did. 😂 😅 🤣
I have a chinese heater to install into my camper, can you run thease on domestic heating oil
Yes. Diesel, Kerosene, Heating Oil.
Can you check out the "Warmda portable diesel heater" it's 110-240v.
found the same dieselheater , only 12/24 volts though it shouldnt be all that hard to put a 220 ac to 12 volt dc transformer on there
curious to see how mush fuel it uses per hour ooks like they use a 12 volt 40 amp transformer allso used for cnc stuff and led lighting
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Maybe its been craftily designed to fail after you use it a bit and then they craftily won't respond to your emails?
Why didn't you just measure the voltage at the fuel pump? Did the AC plug have a fuse in it?
Good thought. Didn't check the plug. It's a moulded plug, so there must be 'something' in there at least. :)
Can you please tell us the name of the diesel heater with the plug and if you know any other types that have plugs that you could plug straight into a 12 volt plug in I would really appreciate it thank you!
Listing is gone now.
@@DavidMcLuckie do you know of any other models that include s plug? I'm having a really hard time finding any that will plug straight into a 12 volt socket.
If the input can only be 240 Volts, why does the pump need to vary between 12 and 24 volts?
Actually on that heater you can either plug into the mains at 240v, or wire onto the terminals on the back with 12V or 24V and it'll run.
When I camp we spend a lot of our time above 9000 feet (3000) meters. It seems like it would be better if heaters ran on propane. We can not buy Propex heaters in the states. Have you ever converted a diesel heater to propane? It does not seem like that there would be a lot of changes necessary. Love your channel..........................
I think these models negated the need for 12v and it’s high power start would have no chance of losing power for the flow plug if plugged into a wall. You need a well topped up battery to keep firing these up everyday! And wow this one speaks😂
They literally use about 0.5ah to start. They use 10amps when the glow is on. Make that amp hours, divided by 60 minutes and multiply by the time its on for... 3 minutes or so. 0.5ah. Feck all.
Do you think this heater runs a bit sketchy because of the pump not being at the recommended 35 degree angle?
No. It's because I'm running with the inlet and exhaust open right next to each other and haven't left enough air gap. It's sucking the exhaust gas back in.
@@DavidMcLuckie aah, so it is that. Cheers mate, going to fit one in a small van soon, your vids have convinced me to try one. All the best.
Where can we get this gem of an aluminum housing? The assembly here was about the worst I've seen and electrical horror show... But the heater itself is really interesting
I had to use a socket on an extension to bend a tight radius and then trim the end off to get the exhaust to fit under my heater
Do you have a link in where you bought it? Really loving it and i mainly plug in to the wall, currently i have nothing to power it with anymore and a upgrade would not hurt.
Other tips on how to supply it with 240v are welcome as well xD
I did. One is on Amazon but disappears once they sold out, the other is from AliExpress but the shipping is now more than the heater.
A 12V transformer like this will work - amzn.to/3jvl3wI
I've got a few in the workshop running various 12V things.
Will it run on 36V and 48V? Because that would be awesome for sooooo many of grid-ers mate.
i would suggest without a pipe on the exhaust it smothered it creating a back pressure resulting in the unit shutting down thinking theres a fault. check theres a fuel filter too. i've fitted the loose unit version in my garage, and pipe through wall to heat house as well as garage or just house. perfect cheap heat !
I assumed it was just sucking the exhaust back into the intake and there wasn't enough oxygen left in it to burn properly
So it’s a heater powered by a AC to DC Power supply, then! It what I use when powering up a diesel heater in a shop. Out of anything there I do like the new controller display!
How much did this thing cost? Amazing what you get even when it's garbage. That wiring could def use some love. A ground sure would be nice!
It was £99GBP.
@@DavidMcLuckie Dear sweet Chinese madness! Hahaha. Excited for your MXR review.
I would be really dubious about having an internal switching regulator and powering it from 240 or 120Vac. That switcher does not appear to have any safety certifications for use in Europe or North America. It probably has a CE make but, in the Chinese market, that means "China Export". They have hijacked the CE symbol for a different purpose. Also, the placement of the switcher is questionable as it is exposed to fuel spillage. It should have been raised up off the base.
At least with a 12 or 24V system, the certification lies in the external power supply which is ideally locally sourced ... and not from Banggood or Aliexpress
For the £99 I paid for it, I doubt anything is certified.
Is there a link to this particular model? Cheers
Sadly no. It has dissappeared. I'd really like to find the ECU somewhere though. That could make some interesting projects.