Millerman Talks #16 Part 1/3: Olavo de Carvalho vs. Alexander Dugin,
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- First in a series of video overviews of the 2011 debate between Olavo de Carvalho and Alexander Dugin. Here is the source document, from which I quote extensively.
doc.rmf.pl/rmf...
Olavo is absolute Genius
This must have been the most based debate in the history of philosophy.
Do you mean "biased"?
@@KarenSelickKAS "I" see what you did there...
No, Olavo de Carvalho is an absolute clown.
@@KarenSelickKAS Well, are two differents point of view in the debate
Just updating knowledge after the 2022 current events
Me too. I'd never heard of either of these two philosophers until this week.
This debate is underrated and Olavo's books should be read and studied more.
Can you recommend one in particular? I don't speak Portuguese, just English.
@@KarenSelickKAS unfortunately, his main books weren't translated to English yet. Only two of them (if I'm not mistaken). I would recommend both: The debate with Dugin and the book about Machiavelli ('Machiavelli or the demonic confusion'). I think the two books can introduce you to have some notion about about Olavo's political thoughts.
@@oguilhermeteixeira Thanks. I found and downloaded the debate. It's 167 pages long! What do you think of Dugin?
@@KarenSelickKAS Yeah, it's a long debate (the introduction explains why).
I don't have any opinion on Dugin because I haven't read anything from him. I know more about Olavo's philosophy and so I tend to agree with Olavo - in my opinion he won the debate.
During the debate's period, Olavo explained his thoughts and how he observed Dugin's replies on COF (Online Philosophy Course, that Olavo's ministered until his last days), but I think that those classes exists only in Portuguese. It would be beneficial though, cause there are longer analysis that could be explored, since there were no rules or format limitations.
@@KarenSelickKAS Machiavelli or the demonic confusion and Aristotle in a new perspective.
Thank you for sharing!
Love-of-knowledge in the morning is awesome, thanks Michael. Great intro, looking forward to the rest.
Hey Chris! ;-)
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It's not from the agreements, but from disagreements between clever people that the interesting possibilities arise. Granted, not all disagreements are equally productive
The document is blocked?
Had been censured?
doc.rmf.pl/rmf_fm/store/TheUSAandTheNewWorldOrder.pdf
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Thank you for reviewing the debate. It will follow this series closely. I am Brazilian like prof. Carvalho and I must say that he won a lot of notoriety in the last election as an advisor to the then candidate and now President Bolsonaro. So this argument of being free of power and influence is not so certain anymore. There was even talks of the possibility of him gaining a position in the government. Here, the opinion of those who know of this debate with Dugin is that prof. Carvalho "won", but I think it has more to do with his new cult following than anything else. Anyway, afaik he continues with the same ideas of USA as a greatest ever and everything that is not the liberal right is communist. The actual Brazilian gov will reflect that probably.
Found you via the StudentsForWesternCivilization btw.
@Leonardo gonçalves There were talks, nothing formal. Prof. Carvalho is very independent and wouldn't accept anything but, maybe, a position of ambassador in The USA. He said it himself. His ideas hold lots of influence with Pres. Bolsonaro, his sons and some ministers. You can see it in this free market + anti-communist + judeo-christian collective government in power now. No one else in Brazil defend this ideas other than Prof. Carvalho.
@@direpenguin712 He might said he would accept the embassador post, but if what you're saying is true, Bolsonaro would govern Brazil better than he's doing right now.
Bolsonaro is being held hostage by the military/oligarchy/judiciary forces in Brazil. He's unable to govern by those pillars you mentioned before, and way before Olavo became noticed, Bolsonaro's attitude in the 90's was way more radical than now.
Your allegations are wrong.
He refuses that title (advisor of the conservative right), and has been saying, over and over again that, the only way to lead a real change in the country is by culture, not politics. I am brazilian too and it doesn't look like you know anything about Olavo's thoughts.
@@marcoshenriquelemes5137 @Felipe Whatever. But the more I learn about Olavos thoughts, the more I realize that he is nothing but a useless neo-liberal and that anyone who follows him is doomed to failure. Just like Trump, Bolsonaro speaks loud but does nothing, typical conservative, being shat on daily. In 10 years the new Brazilian right will be defending the same things that the PT defends today to get elected. He does nothing to change the system. At least Dugin's ideas help the Russian Federation, a country far more complex than Brazil, to remain sovereign. While Brazil will be owned by foreigners at the end of the Bolsonaros government. Culture is the result of DNA. I hope it all burn.
@@direpenguin712 "But the more I learn about Olavos thoughts..." That's the problem mate, you just don't. You see, even if what you wrote about Bolsonaro were true, Olavo wouldn't have anything to do with it, because Bolsonaro is following Generals advices, not Olavo's. Brazil is already owned by foreigners and the fact that Bolsonaro is being massively atacked by every single institution and by the dominant class, it's because they want to prevent him to get Brazil back to its people. Brazil now belongs to an international criminal organization and IF you had learned something about Olavo's thoughts, you would know that.
i read it . felt sad.
when i finally reached the moment where Carvalho said that the absence of the word doesnt mean the absence of the concept , i felt that it was enough for me. because the language constitutes the reality , not the other way around.
the explanation to his point of view is that Olavo de Carvalho is that kind of a western person who cares only about that reality where he can mow his lawn and pray to his personal jesus. AGAIN stressed by Alexander Dugin in the beginning of the debate , immediately seeing the nature of the opponent
oleg fare, how on earth does language constitute reality?
I’m genuinely taken aback by this proposition.
The fact that it takes a great amount of effort - in effect, a collective one - to first derive the necessary linguistic tools only to then be able to express, to the degree that we manage it, the reality in which we exist, shouldn’t occur to you as a testament of Carvalho’s alleged ideological bias.
If anything, it is a testament to the contrary: a serious attempt to express things as they are, not as we purport it to be in our intellectual fantasies.
In fact, take this opportunity to test out your own theory. Can you appropriately describe or formulate every single thing that you know to be true?
Yet they still operate within your framework, don’t they?
The fact that you didn’t have a word for it does not imply that it was irrelevant to the situation, even less so does it suggest that it is outside the realms of reality.
"THE LANGUAGE CONSTITUTES THE REALITY". My God. So the world doesn't exist for babies before they learn to tallk? Please go out and look at the sky for 2 hours. You need to become a normal person.
Wait... So you don't want people in the West to stick to mowing their own lawns and praying to Jesus? You'd rather they confront Eurasian project and continue their global hegemony?
is this a joke? "language constitutes reality"? where did you learn this? It's the biggest nonsense I've seen in life, go back to the gym and don't comment any more nonsense.
Lol language constitues reality? It's the other way around stupid. How the hell can you even name something before it even exists ??? Go to sleep kiddo