He who works with his hands is a laborer, He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman, He who works with his hands, his head and his heart is an artist. St. Francis of Assisi
@@oliveuk. To a point, but if one’s taste is the only criteria for art that is how we get a person insisting that a urinal he chose is art, or more recently, that a banana stuck on a white piece of cardboard is art. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.
I love this guy. Don’t know who he is and never heard of him before, but I love listening to what / how he thinks (including his wife’s background comments). I am glad that this conversation was recorded. Many may not care, but there are ppl that will be struck by what he and he wife did, say and stand for. National treasure interviewing national treasure.
1:24:56 What is sad to me is How Impossible our current "Society", I want to retch every single time that word is even used in ANY form to describe what it gets Evilly PERVERTED into being forced to INCLUDE as even a PART OF what is passed off as such these days, makes it for ANYONE in ANY fields of effort to Attain. Even to START in. And it is an EXPONENTIAL GRAPH in the level of difficulty FROM THE START according to wear you are born on the "Woke Enemy" delusion scale. Their cosmic justice delusion is EVERY BIT as Evil and Twisted as any Psychopathic Dictator in the WORST, DARKEST corners and cracks of the Bloody 20th! And they cannot even SEE it! And I'm afraid are careening BLIND to EXACTLY the same Result. As a "society", It looks to me, and those MUCH SMARTER than I and were Buttressed adequately enough to stay intact through the "Education" process. So, so many of the WOKE WORST, "Males" and probably the same guys Mike tries to help AT ALL are the FIRST on the woke altar in school. Never to recover many. And Mike doesn't "exclude" the few females so inclined either. But in our day, the First woke wave of feminist "Teachers" all the way back in the 70s, girls back then would have considered a trade RIDICULOUS. SO did our "Rust Belt(or VERY similar)" fathers for those of us that still had them after the FIRST WAVE of Divorce in the 60s. They didn't know anything else to recommend because that was LITERALLY the only answer they could come up with in their own "Rock Bottoms". IN THEIR 30S! Hats off to the Survivors. And even the guest sounds like it was a close run thing even for him. Sounds like he scored with his wife and good on both. Damned few of "the rest of us" were so fortunate I can tell you. Not with 2nd and third gen feminist prospects. Sounds like he knows how lucky he was. I can only hope she does. I hate that Mike brings them, but doesn't include the wives and have a double hour when they agree to be on. If the male is married, I can all but guarantee it took both unless she married the guy like most do, cherry picking off the top. I am talking the good women BEHIND the man that took the ENTIRE JOURNEY with them. NOTHING and No One is an "overnight success" especially when you don't START halfway there. A brilliant PhD entrepreneur who attracts Angel Investor Venture Capitalists for his startup, say. With full ride scholarships all the way. Or Golden Boy Athletes who can also actually get into College at least. Anybody other male these days, gentleman your road is going to be harder than any American probably since the Earliest Pioneers "Going West". And ONLY for Political Reasons that SHOULD have been fixed after the Civil Rights laws in the 60s and enabled or amplified in the Law and Amendments accompanying. It HAS BEEN EVILLY twisted and perverted by DELUDED COMMUNISTS implanted and created by Stalinist Infiltrators and subversives ever since. Would be nice if Russia would decide if they want to REALLY, FINALLY be part of Europe or NOT and if a LIST of Targets exist, or the Agent who did this is still alive, help us with providing same before the rest explode long after the Soviet Union is gone but it's consequences still poison the Planet and proceed headlong into WWIII! And will likely END Nuclear, and we can only pray it will be "Limited" if such a thing can ever even be considered. It certainly won't be by any at ground zero. Whichever "side", by whomever's hardware. Forever. Wikipedia...FWIW. Albert Einstein is often quoted as having said: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Einstein might not have actually said this, but other things that he said show that he believed the weapons used in World War III might be so devastating that they would end civilization as we know it.[1] Amen, for any "side" who thinks a "First Strike" would be decisive IN ANY WAY. OR for any Nation Possessing such Options to ever be Weak Enough, or rendered such Conventionally, to consider them as a desperate LAST RESORT to prevent annihilation. The only reason any more to attempt to build such should only be as a Cornered Animal Deterrence and ONLY because the Genie is FOREVER "Out of the bottle". I believe it was a colossal Diplomatic failure To EMBRACE ALL OF RUSSIA AND ANY OF THEIR FORMER BLOC INTO NATO as independent Nations after the Fall of the Berlin Wall. I would almost call it CRIMINAL by all NATO members OR EU Aspirants such as they existed at the TIME. Any who had would have probably had Far More insight into bringing Russia along however gradually that may have had to take. At the LEAST some sort of Mutually agreed Peace Accord Vis-A-Vis each other. Primarily because of the Catholic and Orthodox Historical "Baggage" as anything else.
It's not a sentiment. It is truth. It is literally the original point of education, to train people in the good, the true, and the beautiful. Sentiment is fragile, fleeting, frivolous. Easily dismissed, and meant to be dismissed. Truth is firm, solid, immobile. It's the foundation of eternal things, never to be dismissed. The foundation of all things that withstand the tumult of the "changes" of tastes and desires through all of human history. I hope that one sentence, spoken by a theologian hundreds of years ago and repeated by an artist today, will help change your view of the subject he's speaking about. Be blessed.
WW1 and WW2 trench art is horrific to behold and yet incredibly important for the human story. Sometimes beauty isn't the most important part, the story it tells is more important. Trench art should be shown more often to remind us of the horrors of wars.
God bless these men. Mike Rowe, you're a national treasure. And Sabin Howard . .. you've given me hope for our future. Michaelangelo is my all time favorite historical artist. Listening to this interview is awesome. Thank you for what you do. Both of you.
Sabin: Thank you for the WW1 Memorial sculpture!! My grandfather was a veteran of this war serving in the French Foreign Legion (although he was an American from rural Indiana). He suffered from PTSD in silence... never revealing his experiences. He lived to be 101 years old (1897-1998). Never even knew this until I was about 10 years old and my brother and I found German artifacts he pulled from the battlefield in the attic of his garage.
@Lovin_It bullshit. He showcases women as much as possible and encourages them to enter the trades. Point in case: a young woman welder who earns a great salary. You're a troll, a loser, or both.
I was crying every time Mr. Howard did. At the age of 39 years, 11 months and two weeks I reenlisted in the Army National Guard. The second time I can server my country. I get his drive, his devotion, his as the say in my beloved Marine Corps, his Esprit de Corps. I have been around this plant 3 times. This is the only country that I would want to live in. I have been form Bangkok to Baghdad. I am humbled every time I walk out my front Door. Semper Fi Sir, and Peace be with you.
First time here. Saw Mike was talking to an artist and figured I'd give it 5 min and then bail. Love this guy Sabin and how he thinks. Before i knew it the hour passed, and i think i haven't even scratched the surface of this story. So much poison and commitment. Hope i get to see the movie and can't wait to see the memorial. You Sabin are a patriot, sir, and I'm glad to have met you here.
I love how the art he's creating is to honor the place were he believes we lost true art. He's picking it up and giving it the art it never received making the history immortalized the way it should have been.
As an art historian, a former curator of Classical antiquities, a curator of contemporary art, a museum Executive Director and now an art critic, I have followed Sabin Howard’s career closely for over a decade. I have had the opportunity to get to know him personally and can attest to his remarkable grace and humility as well as his genuine authenticity. I was privileged to consult Howard through his struggles as he ran the exhausting political gauntlet to get final approval for his WWI memorial monument. While his exceptional skill as a craftsman is self evident, perhaps more impressive is Sabin’s extraordinary concern with the content of his artistic narrative. Howard was cognizant that the creation of a war memorial was not only a politically fraught proposition but also entailed not inconsiderable ethical hazards. Too often such patriotic monuments encounter the perils of jingoism, of demonization of the other and the romanticization of war. Sabin did not want to glorify warfare itself and conscientiously sought to avoid these pitfalls. Instead, he created a composition that depicted the horrors of war without the exploitative depiction of violence, without making a political judgment and which focused on the heroic challenges to the individual whose duty it is to fight it. Befitting a monument to soldiers of WWI, the sculpture’s narrative concludes with the subtle implication of what was to follow, ie. yet another war of even greater calamity. The occasion of war is not something to be celebrated but the patriotic sacrifices made by the warriors themselves command the grateful acknowledgment of a nation. Sabin Howard managed to conscientiously navigate these narrative hazards with laudable nuance. Howard’s attention to detail not only in the execution of the artwork but also in its design and the transcendence of the viewer’s experience requires an unfathomable amount of dedication throughout the creative process. While he has an obvious mastery of historic techniques, Sabin is by no means anachronistically stuck in the past as he incorporates every modern technology conceivable including digital photography, computer aided design, digital printing, state of the art materials and foundry casting techniques throughout the production of the finished artwork. He is that ever so rare phenomenon of the true modern master. While he is intimately aware of art history, Sabin is not constrained by it as he stands on the shoulders of giants to create artworks that are more than mere simulacra of historic precedents but instead establish original figural paradigms that are unmistakably reflective of Enlightenment values more pertinent to the current era than perhaps any time in history. There is a reason you don’t see a plethora of artists like him because few will ever manage to be as pathologically dedicated to learning, possess the maniacal work ethic and have the personal integrity to attain Sabin’s level of artistic achievement. Such talents were never common in any era and are even more precious in the contemporary one. The unlikelihood that such a superlative artist would emerge in the present can hardly be overstated. Cherish this one, because as someone who has spent a half century in the company of artists, I can testify that you are not likely to ever encounter another sculptor of Sabin Howard’s caliber.
Thank you. As someone who is in awe of the classics and true talent, I often feel gaslighted into seeing artistic values in modern art. I savored every word of Sabin in this interview, feeling that I was in the rare presence of artistic greatness.
Seems like your entire career has set you up for a bias towards ancient and traditional crafts instead of modern ideals and narratives, and you've managed to dress that bias up with a lot of hot air.
This interview was phenomenal… the depth of the questions and the answers, just refreshing… I’m 42 minutes in, and I realize off to the left, in all its glory, was the leg lamp from A Christmas Story… 😂😂🤣the irony is priceless
I know nothing of Mr. Howard. However, I just looked up some of his works, and I am slack-jaw wowed. His abilities to show emotion within his work and capture the intricacies of the human body are phenomenal (I’m a medical doctor and greatly appreciate the from and function of the human body). I would agree with him regarding getting back to beauty in art.
Michelangelo would be so proud! Bravo Sabin! You have the same fire in your Soul to create pertinent figurative Stories in Sculpture, as Michelangelo did. I was fortunate to get to see every single sculpture he made in Italy as I was an art student in Rome in the '80's . I can definitely say your works compare beautifully with the Renaissance Masters works. This interview warmed my heart today. I've been an artist my entire life and an art teacher for 38 years. Your boldness to create works of Truth in Art even in this age encouraged me greatly! You're absolutely right, we artists should not bow down to the dark, mindless, empty Modern Art Styles. We need to keep creating works of art that glorify our Creator. Thank you so much! May God guide you and give you His Strength to create more Beautiful works of Art! Our World needs it desperately!
BRAVO! Explaining ART in the words of EVERYMAN. I will be showing this to the art appreciation class I teach at a small Christian college. Perfect tone. Perfect emotion. Perfect timing to see it. PTL!
What a fantastic interview. I am very proud to know you, Sabin and I congratulate you for this monumental, beautiful accomplishment! Thank you Mike Rowe for this excellent conversation.
Mike, thank you so much for this interview. This is by far the best interview I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Mr. Howard and you, Mr. Rowe, are beautiful souls. I had never heard of Sabin Howard before this. He's a true artist, I truly appreciate his honesty about all things art. You did an absolutely outstanding job bringing him to a comfort level during the interview to be brutally honest. You both are men of great standing. Thank you.
Mike is so articulate in his interviews and conversations. I found his site a month ago and reposted almost everyone I've seen back to X. Mike, thanks for your intellectual conversations, that many of us miss in this crazy world of division. Art unifies us as well. Bravo yet again Mike.
A chord was touched in my Soul and I shall go forward, forever changed. WOW, Mr. Howard, Mr. Rowe, you have set the bar high, may we all be inspired to reach it. Brilliant.
Mike, I'm so glad you had this conversation. As a sculptor who has also created public monuments, it brings a sense of pride to hear art of this caliber being discussed by a man I have admired, followed and supported for years (speaking about you, Mike). Hearing Sabin bring up points about the state of the art world which I was also making 30 years ago when I was in Art College (I even wrote and posted a manifesto around my college, raging against what art had become), lets me know that representational art, historical art, art of undeniable ability is still being fought for and supported. The process of creating a monument is no small feat, and what Sabin has created is truly a masterful work that deserves it's place in Art History. I'm sure Sabin is honored to be included in a list of names that includes Augustus Saint-Gaudens, Daniel Chester French, Henry Shrady, Frederick Hart and many more. So I'll thank you one more time for this conversation which was so important to those of us who make art and for elevating our passions to something that people should remember again.
This is the BEST interview I have ever seen, thank you Mike. Mr Howard is just amazing. This man's head is bolted on correctly. His candor kept me in stitches, his absolute heart kept me glued. And his ART!!!!!!!!! Thank You Sir for the wonderful gift to our country.
I have been an artist for over 32 years as an animator, character designer, illustrator and so on... I'm from Brazil and have lived in Europe and now in the United States for 30 years. On top of that I love American history and I was not only fascinated with Sabin and his work but also with his knowledge of history and how much of that he puts into his art. I love how passionate he is about art and being an artist and that resonated with me at a level I have not felt in decades. It is one of the best interviews I've watched and I have seen it 3 times already since posted here and on your podcast. Thank you mike for this and I will try to be there September 13th, 7:19 at sunset for the inauguration of this amazing piece of art :)
So happy to have come across this interview with Sabin Howard. Mirrors my thoughts on "what is art" and "what is the purpose of art" rather perfectly. Setting that aside...what a wonderfully genuine character Sabin is. Among Mike's best interview subjects!!.
There are No Words to describe how profound, this video is for me. Thank you ALL. Mike, Your Guest has lifted a lifetime burden off my shoulders. I now understand why I felt that everyday seem to be a struggle. I will now wake up and be grateful to see the light of day. Blessings to you ALL 🙏🏻🇺🇸
I had to come back. Three times I cried during the interview. Could have happened more but I had to get a grip. Sabin, thank you, just thank you so much. Tracy, your a saint! I hope to see the monument one day. Will look for a book and a documentary. Mike Rowe...one of the best, ever.
We are in a battle today for our own humanity, and art must be there in the front lines. I truly believe that what artists do is vitally important. Thank you for having Sabin Howard on your show!
Wow. Talk about an emotional roller coaster ride. I experienced the gambit of emotions watching this. I've never heard of Sabin. Thank you for introducing him! Great show!
The whole time I was listening to this I kept thinking he sounded really familiar. Then “Ross Geller” popped into my head. So glad Mike is talking about art (and with artists) in this way today - it’s about d@mn time. What a wonderful achievement and gift to the country Sabin has given us. ❤
My sister and I were having a discussion about AI art. We both came to the conclusion that we as people will instinctively go back to the classic art styles and AI will fall to the wayside eventually just like every art movement in history. We humans like what we like, and dislike what we dislike, and we actually will get quite unpleasant if we're forced to see only what the government tells us what we can and can't see. We all hate being forced to anything by a government.
@@MikkellTheImmortal The overall feel of it also seems cheap. Like something mass produced you'd buy at a swap meet or the prize you'd get for winning a game at the fair grounds.
Only thing I would disagree is that I wouldn’t even call it AI art. It’s just AI images, nothing more and I don’t think AI will ever be able to crate art.
It's not escaped our notice how Sabin emphasizes how Tracy helped so he could do his artistry. Thank you to Tracy & thank you to Sabin for recognizing this and how you both saved & deepened your relationship.
This is without question the best interview / exchange I have ever viewed. Thank you for bringing Saban Howard to the forefront of my attention. Interview time was not long enough I wish he could have continued onward speaking with you. His wife seems a most wonderful person. ❤
This is awesome. I have wanted to work with Mike Rowe in some professional artistic manner for decades - and I'm working towards that. I suggested the wood fired potter for Dirty Jobs, Mike Rowe and company scouted a museum that I work at as artist in residence for one of his shows, and then he came to Canton to meet Lamar Sharpe - one block away from my studio. I owe much of my career to people who work in the trades - and the overlap between art and the trades is phenomenal. I could wax on forever about it. Someday this connection will be made. Thank you SO much for interviewing a visual artist. I wish more people would, the world needs more inspirational beautiful art
I noticed this show for the same reason: My life - devoted to art. I remain in nonattachment, as my powers are channeled elsewhere. Yet seething inside are notions....beyond imagining. Pools of thought fraught in cloaked possibility. Cheers and never stop creating.
Before this video I had never heard of Sabin Howard. Now he is one of my favorite Americans. I will go back to DC to see the new memorial. I completely relate to the conversation about if I can do that it isn't art.
I tried to show a picture of a stump. It's not art, YET However , I have commissioned a sculpture to be made from that stump. A statue to the patron of our little town on a street named after him. As an industrial arts teacher ( retired) , I saw art in every project my students developed.Thanks Mike for keeping the faith alive.
I am loving this podcast. I’ve laughed and teared up as Sabin has been telling his story. So wonderful to hear this journey I especially enjoyed his ‘calling’ to art in Philly. I have an Arts & Architecture 4 yr degree and his conversation - what’s a portfolio brought me back to how I started - sculpture was part of my focus. Can’t wait to visit the memorial.
Never confuse complexity and “skill” for what an art piece makes you feel. Your brain and soul will let you know if it works for you or not . Have a great weekend.
I can hardly wait to attend the unveiling ceremony in less than two weeks. The telling of the human experience through sculpture is one of the most compelling works of art I've ever seen. I'm so happy to be a combat veteran and to be alive today to see this monument. What a treat.
This show had me riveted to my chair every minute. Mike, you have introduced a man who may become an American legend. Unfamiliar with serious art, I hadn't heard of him, but his masterpieces I've seen might be among the finest in America. His deep passion came through loud and clear; he's the real thing.
I heard the podcast, and then had to watch it for myself. So excited for this piece. Thank you Mr. Howard for celebrating the courage of our American history with your art.
There should be more views than the current 112K views that are listed. This was a great interview, thank you very much! Unfortunately, I will probably never get to see his masterpiece in person but I cannot wait to see the documentary about how it was made. The theme of the monument reminds me of the movie, War Horse!
Never heard of either of these two. Until now. Wow. Read the Betty Edwards book right around the same time he did. Sabin took it further than I did. This is important stuff. Aloha y'all.
“Art” is the reaction of the observer ..styles come and go ..but there’s something primeval in how it makes you feel . Howard’s work hits you not only with the sheer physicality but the powerful emotional impact.
I teach high school Art and it’s sad how underfunded this God given talent is. There are so many talented kids out there. Thank you Mr. Rowe for having this episode and podcast to showcase talent and creativity.
So love that title. I can totally relate. It’s those that challenge convention and push against the current accepted norms, beyond what the majority doesn’t understand or want to look at in their live. Creativity in any vocation or career pat is always pushed on hard because it’s about humans not feeling inferior or out of touch with themselves. Consciousness always wants to expand and grow beyond current perceived limits. One generations heretic is the next generations savior/hero. Thanks for giving a voice to the new paradigms of creation in this life!!
thank god for this man. I'm literally no one in the art world, but I've been screaming this for years in the scene that we need to bring back beauty and skill! I'm so glad someone finally had the audacity to say it. This was probably the best pod cast/ conversation I've listened to in a very long time. I hope more artists will hear this and begin to take the craft more seriously, study the masters and really put all of themselves into their work. Art is the human experience is visual form and it matters more than ever right now!
Several people had better make movie/s about this guy. Yes more than one. This is important. Teaching kids they're evil because they're white IS NOT! YOU TUBE!!! You have no right to censor ANYONE using your rationale.
Thank you Mike for bringing people like Sabin to the masses. It makes those of us who feel we are alone in our thinking, know that we are not. I love being a citizen of the United States. When Sabin said he didn’t have to be what his father was….but he still respected his father choosing to be who he was….. that’s the beauty of our country. I was just in Croatia where we went out on a boat with an oyster grower. His family had been doing that since the 15th century. His daughter was there helping him. Disappointment was in his eyes when he said his son won’t continue the family tradition, he would rather be an Uber driver. The contrast in our countries definition of success is different. Yet when a father reflects on the life of his children, it’s the same. Sabin came to tears talking of his daughter following after him and the Croatian oyster grower came to tears when he thought his son would not. Our hearts are intrinsically knitted with our upbringing and our children’s future. History matters, truth matters. Again, thank you Mike and Chuck and your team for connecting people.
I was a student of Sabin for a short time. This is Sabin ! and could not be anymore sincere and honest of a representation of Who is Always was. So proud of Him, his Message, and his Art !!
He who works with his hands is a laborer,
He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman,
He who works with his hands, his head and his heart is an artist.
St. Francis of Assisi
Good. Thanks. 😊.
I could not summarize this man any better!
The passion that Mr. Howard has for his work is astounding.
God gives your hands it's not equal, work
Just saved this quote for my office. Thank you for bringing to my attention.
I love his courage in calling out the "crap" that is fed to us as "art".
We can all have different taste right?
@@oliveuk. To a point, but if one’s taste is the only criteria for art that is how we get a person insisting that a urinal he chose is art, or more recently, that a banana stuck on a white piece of cardboard is art. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.
@@shawnaweesner3759so art is not what you choose to be?
I love this guy. Don’t know who he is and never heard of him before, but I love listening to what / how he thinks (including his wife’s background comments). I am glad that this conversation was recorded. Many may not care, but there are ppl that will be struck by what he and he wife did, say and stand for.
National treasure interviewing national treasure.
Look him up. He is a true artist❤❤❤ he is on Facebook and Instagram
"National treasure interviewing national treasure." Amen
1:24:56 What is sad to me is How Impossible our current "Society", I want to retch every single time that word is even used in ANY form to describe what it gets Evilly PERVERTED into being forced to INCLUDE as even a PART OF what is passed off as such these days, makes it for ANYONE in ANY fields of effort to Attain. Even to START in. And it is an EXPONENTIAL GRAPH in the level of difficulty FROM THE START according to wear you are born on the "Woke Enemy" delusion scale.
Their cosmic justice delusion is EVERY BIT as Evil and Twisted as any Psychopathic Dictator in the WORST, DARKEST corners and cracks of the Bloody 20th!
And they cannot even SEE it! And I'm afraid are careening BLIND to EXACTLY the same Result. As a "society", It looks to me, and those MUCH SMARTER than I and were Buttressed adequately enough to stay intact through the "Education" process.
So, so many of the WOKE WORST, "Males" and probably the same guys Mike tries to help AT ALL are the FIRST on the woke altar in school. Never to recover many. And Mike doesn't "exclude" the few females so inclined either. But in our day, the First woke wave of feminist "Teachers" all the way back in the 70s, girls back then would have considered a trade RIDICULOUS. SO did our "Rust Belt(or VERY similar)" fathers for those of us that still had them after the FIRST WAVE of Divorce in the 60s. They didn't know anything else to recommend because that was LITERALLY the only answer they could come up with in their own "Rock Bottoms". IN THEIR 30S!
Hats off to the Survivors. And even the guest sounds like it was a close run thing even for him. Sounds like he scored with his wife and good on both.
Damned few of "the rest of us" were so fortunate I can tell you. Not with 2nd and third gen feminist prospects.
Sounds like he knows how lucky he was. I can only hope she does. I hate that Mike brings them, but doesn't include the wives and have a double hour when they agree to be on.
If the male is married, I can all but guarantee it took both unless she married the guy like most do, cherry picking off the top.
I am talking the good women BEHIND the man that took the ENTIRE JOURNEY with them. NOTHING and No One is an "overnight success" especially when you don't START halfway there. A brilliant PhD entrepreneur who attracts Angel Investor Venture Capitalists for his startup, say. With full ride scholarships all the way. Or Golden Boy Athletes who can also actually get into College at least.
Anybody other male these days, gentleman your road is going to be harder than any American probably since the Earliest Pioneers "Going West".
And ONLY for Political Reasons that SHOULD have been fixed after the Civil Rights laws in the 60s and enabled or amplified in the Law and Amendments accompanying.
It HAS BEEN EVILLY twisted and perverted by DELUDED COMMUNISTS implanted and created by Stalinist Infiltrators and subversives ever since.
Would be nice if Russia would decide if they want to REALLY, FINALLY be part of Europe or NOT and if a LIST of Targets exist, or the Agent who did this is still alive, help us with providing same before the rest explode long after the Soviet Union is gone but it's consequences still poison the Planet and proceed headlong into WWIII!
And will likely END Nuclear, and we can only pray it will be "Limited" if such a thing can ever even be considered. It certainly won't be by any at ground zero. Whichever "side", by whomever's hardware. Forever.
Wikipedia...FWIW. Albert Einstein is often quoted as having said: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Einstein might not have actually said this, but other things that he said show that he believed the weapons used in World War III might be so devastating that they would end civilization as we know it.[1]
Amen, for any "side" who thinks a "First Strike" would be decisive IN ANY WAY.
OR for any Nation Possessing such Options to ever be Weak Enough, or rendered such Conventionally, to consider them as a desperate LAST RESORT to prevent annihilation.
The only reason any more to attempt to build such should only be as a Cornered Animal Deterrence and ONLY because the Genie is FOREVER "Out of the bottle".
I believe it was a colossal Diplomatic failure To EMBRACE ALL OF RUSSIA AND ANY OF THEIR FORMER BLOC INTO NATO as independent Nations after the Fall of the Berlin Wall.
I would almost call it CRIMINAL by all NATO members OR EU Aspirants such as they existed at the TIME. Any who had would have probably had Far More insight into bringing Russia along however gradually that may have had to take.
At the LEAST some sort of Mutually agreed Peace Accord Vis-A-Vis each other. Primarily because of the Catholic and Orthodox Historical "Baggage" as anything else.
Yes! You nailed it
Art that speaks to the beauty of humanity. What a beautiful sentiment
It's not a sentiment. It is truth. It is literally the original point of education, to train people in the good, the true, and the beautiful.
Sentiment is fragile, fleeting, frivolous. Easily dismissed, and meant to be dismissed.
Truth is firm, solid, immobile. It's the foundation of eternal things, never to be dismissed. The foundation of all things that withstand the tumult of the "changes" of tastes and desires through all of human history. I hope that one sentence, spoken by a theologian hundreds of years ago and repeated by an artist today, will help change your view of the subject he's speaking about. Be blessed.
WW1 and WW2 trench art is horrific to behold and yet incredibly important for the human story. Sometimes beauty isn't the most important part, the story it tells is more important. Trench art should be shown more often to remind us of the horrors of wars.
That's Anthropocentrism. Willful blindness.
God bless these men. Mike Rowe, you're a national treasure. And Sabin Howard . .. you've given me hope for our future. Michaelangelo is my all time favorite historical artist. Listening to this interview is awesome.
Thank you for what you do. Both of you.
Did you know? Michelangelo thought he was so physically ugly that this is why he chose to make his creations beautiful.
Sabin: Thank you for the WW1 Memorial sculpture!! My grandfather was a veteran of this war serving in the French Foreign Legion (although he was an American from rural Indiana). He suffered from PTSD in silence... never revealing his experiences. He lived to be 101 years old (1897-1998). Never even knew this until I was about 10 years old and my brother and I found German artifacts he pulled from the battlefield in the attic of his garage.
I just toured their website. Incredible...I am a Navy veteran, and a former LEO, and I say thank you. It's like a memory brother. I don't have words.
Unapologetically honest. It doesn’t get better than this. Wow.
This may be.....no IS...The best podcast I have EVER SEEN. I am SO glad I Subscribed to Mike's show. I needed this today.
Yes❤. I needed this today too
This is one of the best, hands down.
I'd like to see the list of people who don't like Mike Rowe. It'd be pretty short.
The world is a better place because of this man. Thank you.
The Left loathes Mike Rowe. That's at least 100 million people in the USA.
Devils don’t like anyone. Good. 😊. Texas.,bueno. Fight. United. Love. Good.
Seriously! His parents should give lessons.
Well, I don't like him, nothing personal, how many Asian, Black, Indigenous guests has he had on, or women? A few? Not enough, don't like him.
@Lovin_It bullshit. He showcases women as much as possible and encourages them to enter the trades. Point in case: a young woman welder who earns a great salary.
You're a troll, a loser, or both.
Thank you for introducing me to Sabin. What an interesting, uplifting, and humorous conversation - a real treat!! 😁
I was crying every time Mr. Howard did. At the age of 39 years, 11 months and two weeks I reenlisted in the Army National Guard. The second time I can server my country. I get his drive, his devotion, his as the say in my beloved Marine Corps, his Esprit de Corps. I have been around this plant 3 times. This is the only country that I would want to live in. I have been form Bangkok to Baghdad. I am humbled every time I walk out my front Door. Semper Fi Sir, and Peace be with you.
First time here. Saw Mike was talking to an artist and figured I'd give it 5 min and then bail. Love this guy Sabin and how he thinks. Before i knew it the hour passed, and i think i haven't even scratched the surface of this story. So much poison and commitment. Hope i get to see the movie and can't wait to see the memorial. You Sabin are a patriot, sir, and I'm glad to have met you here.
I love how the art he's creating is to honor the place were he believes we lost true art. He's picking it up and giving it the art it never received making the history immortalized the way it should have been.
Yes. World War 1 ripped out the soul of west civilization.
As an art historian, a former curator of Classical antiquities, a curator of contemporary art, a museum Executive Director and now an art critic, I have followed Sabin Howard’s career closely for over a decade. I have had the opportunity to get to know him personally and can attest to his remarkable grace and humility as well as his genuine authenticity. I was privileged to consult Howard through his struggles as he ran the exhausting political gauntlet to get final approval for his WWI memorial monument.
While his exceptional skill as a craftsman is self evident, perhaps more impressive is Sabin’s extraordinary concern with the content of his artistic narrative. Howard was cognizant that the creation of a war memorial was not only a politically fraught proposition but also entailed not inconsiderable ethical hazards. Too often such patriotic monuments encounter the perils of jingoism, of demonization of the other and the romanticization of war. Sabin did not want to glorify warfare itself and conscientiously sought to avoid these pitfalls. Instead, he created a composition that depicted the horrors of war without the exploitative depiction of violence, without making a political judgment and which focused on the heroic challenges to the individual whose duty it is to fight it. Befitting a monument to soldiers of WWI, the sculpture’s narrative concludes with the subtle implication of what was to follow, ie. yet another war of even greater calamity. The occasion of war is not something to be celebrated but the patriotic sacrifices made by the warriors themselves command the grateful acknowledgment of a nation. Sabin Howard managed to conscientiously navigate these narrative hazards with laudable nuance.
Howard’s attention to detail not only in the execution of the artwork but also in its design and the transcendence of the viewer’s experience requires an unfathomable amount of dedication throughout the creative process. While he has an obvious mastery of historic techniques, Sabin is by no means anachronistically stuck in the past as he incorporates every modern technology conceivable including digital photography, computer aided design, digital printing, state of the art materials and foundry casting techniques throughout the production of the finished artwork. He is that ever so rare phenomenon of the true modern master.
While he is intimately aware of art history, Sabin is not constrained by it as he stands on the shoulders of giants to create artworks that are more than mere simulacra of historic precedents but instead establish original figural paradigms that are unmistakably reflective of Enlightenment values more pertinent to the current era than perhaps any time in history.
There is a reason you don’t see a plethora of artists like him because few will ever manage to be as pathologically dedicated to learning, possess the maniacal work ethic and have the personal integrity to attain Sabin’s level of artistic achievement. Such talents were never common in any era and are even more precious in the contemporary one. The unlikelihood that such a superlative artist would emerge in the present can hardly be overstated.
Cherish this one, because as someone who has spent a half century in the company of artists, I can testify that you are not likely to ever encounter another sculptor of Sabin Howard’s caliber.
Thank you. As someone who is in awe of the classics and true talent, I often feel gaslighted into seeing artistic values in modern art. I savored every word of Sabin in this interview, feeling that I was in the rare presence of artistic greatness.
Possibly the longest comment I have ever actually cared to read on TH-cam. You clearly care a great deal, thank you for sharing.
@@josephbravo2590 Famine, genocide,...
This is wonderful
Seems like your entire career has set you up for a bias towards ancient and traditional crafts instead of modern ideals and narratives, and you've managed to dress that bias up with a lot of hot air.
This interview was phenomenal… the depth of the questions and the answers, just refreshing… I’m 42 minutes in, and I realize off to the left, in all its glory, was the leg lamp from A Christmas Story… 😂😂🤣the irony is priceless
This may be.....no IS...The best podcast I have EVER SEEN.
I AGREE.
I know nothing of Mr. Howard. However, I just looked up some of his works, and I am slack-jaw wowed. His abilities to show emotion within his work and capture the intricacies of the human body are phenomenal (I’m a medical doctor and greatly appreciate the from and function of the human body). I would agree with him regarding getting back to beauty in art.
Michelangelo would be so proud! Bravo Sabin! You have the same fire in your Soul to create pertinent figurative Stories in Sculpture, as Michelangelo did. I was fortunate to get to see every single sculpture he made in Italy as I was an art student in Rome in the '80's .
I can definitely say your works compare beautifully with the Renaissance Masters works. This interview warmed my heart today. I've been an artist my entire life and an art teacher for 38 years. Your boldness to create works of Truth in Art even in this age encouraged me greatly! You're absolutely right, we artists should not bow down to the dark,
mindless, empty Modern Art Styles. We need to keep creating works of art that glorify our Creator. Thank you so much! May God guide you and give you His Strength to create more Beautiful works of Art! Our World needs it desperately!
BRAVO! Explaining ART in the words of EVERYMAN. I will be showing this to the art appreciation class I teach at a small Christian college. Perfect tone. Perfect emotion. Perfect timing to see it. PTL!
What a fantastic interview. I am very proud to know you, Sabin and I congratulate you for this monumental, beautiful accomplishment! Thank you Mike Rowe for this excellent conversation.
This is my first podcast. Love Mike rowe. I'm an artist and appreciate this material
Sabin is the MASTER ARTIST and MESSENGER of our times ,MUCH RESPECT FINE SIR .
Mike, thank you so much for this interview. This is by far the best interview I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Mr. Howard and you, Mr. Rowe, are beautiful souls. I had never heard of Sabin Howard before this. He's a true artist, I truly appreciate his honesty about all things art. You did an absolutely outstanding job bringing him to a comfort level during the interview to be brutally honest. You both are men of great standing. Thank you.
Mike is so articulate in his interviews and conversations. I found his site a month ago and reposted almost everyone I've seen back to X.
Mike, thanks for your intellectual conversations, that many of us miss in this crazy world of division. Art unifies us as well. Bravo yet again Mike.
This maybe my favorite long-form interview EVER. Wonderful!! I can not wait to go to DC and see the memorial in person!! Thank you so much.
A chord was touched in my Soul and I shall go forward, forever changed. WOW, Mr. Howard, Mr. Rowe, you have set the bar high, may we all be inspired to reach it. Brilliant.
Mike, I'm so glad you had this conversation. As a sculptor who has also created public monuments, it brings a sense of pride to hear art of this caliber being discussed by a man I have admired, followed and supported for years (speaking about you, Mike). Hearing Sabin bring up points about the state of the art world which I was also making 30 years ago when I was in Art College (I even wrote and posted a manifesto around my college, raging against what art had become), lets me know that representational art, historical art, art of undeniable ability is still being fought for and supported. The process of creating a monument is no small feat, and what Sabin has created is truly a masterful work that deserves it's place in Art History. I'm sure Sabin is honored to be included in a list of names that includes Augustus Saint-Gaudens, Daniel Chester French, Henry Shrady, Frederick Hart and many more. So I'll thank you one more time for this conversation which was so important to those of us who make art and for elevating our passions to something that people should remember again.
Thank you, Thank you! This touched my heart, a 90 year old artist.
Spectacular, it renews my faith in mankind.
Saving Howard is very humble. I love his passion and his humbleness.
I wouldn't say he's humble... but I'm interested in seeing the memorial.
Wonderful interview with Sabin Howard. Just Amazing 👍👍👍
This is the BEST interview I have ever seen, thank you Mike.
Mr Howard is just amazing. This man's head is bolted on correctly. His candor kept me in stitches, his absolute heart kept me glued. And his ART!!!!!!!!!
Thank You Sir for the wonderful gift to our country.
I have been an artist for over 32 years as an animator, character designer, illustrator and so on... I'm from Brazil and have lived in Europe and now in the United States for 30 years. On top of that I love American history and I was not only fascinated with Sabin and his work but also with his knowledge of history and how much of that he puts into his art. I love how passionate he is about art and being an artist and that resonated with me at a level I have not felt in decades. It is one of the best interviews I've watched and I have seen it 3 times already since posted here and on your podcast. Thank you mike for this and I will try to be there September 13th, 7:19 at sunset for the inauguration of this amazing piece of art :)
So happy to have come across this interview with Sabin Howard. Mirrors my thoughts on "what is art" and "what is the purpose of art" rather perfectly. Setting that aside...what a wonderfully genuine character Sabin is. Among Mike's best interview subjects!!.
see kids? this is how humans interact. Thank you MR!
See adults, this is how mature, respectful, humans behave. Thanks Guys
There are No Words to describe how profound, this video is for me. Thank you ALL. Mike, Your Guest has lifted a lifetime burden off my shoulders. I now understand why I felt that everyday seem to be a struggle. I will now wake up and be grateful to see the light of day. Blessings to you ALL 🙏🏻🇺🇸
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I had to come back. Three times I cried during the interview. Could have happened more but I had to get a grip. Sabin, thank you, just thank you so much. Tracy, your a saint!
I hope to see the monument one day. Will look for a book and a documentary. Mike Rowe...one of the best, ever.
Same here ❤❤❤❤
@@bettybarrett323 ❤️
I loved the book “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain” read it decades ago. Need to read it again.
Stumbled across this, what a fresh breath of air, thank you. Breathing.
We are in a battle today for our own humanity, and art must be there in the front lines. I truly believe that what artists do is vitally important. Thank you for having Sabin Howard on your show!
Wow. Talk about an emotional roller coaster ride. I experienced the gambit of emotions watching this. I've never heard of Sabin. Thank you for introducing him! Great show!
The whole time I was listening to this I kept thinking he sounded really familiar. Then “Ross Geller” popped into my head. So glad Mike is talking about art (and with artists) in this way today - it’s about d@mn time. What a wonderful achievement and gift to the country Sabin has given us. ❤
Fascinating! His passion is inspiring.
My sister and I were having a discussion about AI art. We both came to the conclusion that we as people will instinctively go back to the classic art styles and AI will fall to the wayside eventually just like every art movement in history. We humans like what we like, and dislike what we dislike, and we actually will get quite unpleasant if we're forced to see only what the government tells us what we can and can't see. We all hate being forced to anything by a government.
Have you noticed the AI art seems like a collage of other pieces of art but nothing original?
@@susanlovesjava4961 not until you pointed it out. You're right, they are.
@@MikkellTheImmortal The overall feel of it also seems cheap. Like something mass produced you'd buy at a swap meet or the prize you'd get for winning a game at the fair grounds.
@@susanlovesjava4961 I whole heartedly agree.
Only thing I would disagree is that I wouldn’t even call it AI art. It’s just AI images, nothing more and I don’t think AI will ever be able to crate art.
Cabinet making is art.
It's not escaped our notice how Sabin emphasizes how Tracy helped so he could do his artistry. Thank you to Tracy & thank you to Sabin for recognizing this and how you both saved & deepened your relationship.
What a wonderful man! New Sabin Howard (and Tracey and the lawyer) fan. Thanks so much Mike, really appreciate this one. Art matters. 🥂
I would definitely give this five stars if I could find a link to the apple something. Great interviews, Mike.
This is without question the best interview / exchange I have ever viewed.
Thank you for bringing Saban Howard to the forefront of my attention. Interview time was not long enough I wish he could have continued onward speaking with you. His wife seems a most wonderful person. ❤
This is awesome. I have wanted to work with Mike Rowe in some professional artistic manner for decades - and I'm working towards that.
I suggested the wood fired potter for Dirty Jobs, Mike Rowe and company scouted a museum that I work at as artist in residence for one of his shows, and then he came to Canton to meet Lamar Sharpe - one block away from my studio.
I owe much of my career to people who work in the trades - and the overlap between art and the trades is phenomenal. I could wax on forever about it.
Someday this connection will be made.
Thank you SO much for interviewing a visual artist. I wish more people would, the world needs more inspirational beautiful art
I have been on board for most of my life with creating Art. It has been a struggle, a good fight! Bravo Sabin.
I noticed this show for the same reason: My life - devoted to art. I remain in nonattachment, as my powers are channeled elsewhere. Yet seething inside are notions....beyond imagining. Pools of thought fraught in cloaked possibility. Cheers and never stop creating.
Wow, thank you! Such an amazing adventure. My mother was a painter. Great respect for art and artists.
Before this video I had never heard of Sabin Howard. Now he is one of my favorite Americans. I will go back to DC to see the new memorial. I completely relate to the conversation about if I can do that it isn't art.
TAKE HEART, Sabin Howard! The second Enlightenment is on its way. And I look forward to the good, truth, and beauty that will come out of it.
I tried to show a picture of a stump. It's not art, YET
However , I have commissioned a sculpture to be made from that stump. A statue to the patron of our little town on a street named after him. As an industrial arts teacher ( retired) , I saw art in every project my students developed.Thanks Mike for keeping the faith alive.
Mike, thank you for bringing the most fascinating people on your show. I only wish the interviews were longer.
I am loving this podcast. I’ve laughed and teared up as Sabin has been telling his story. So wonderful to hear this journey I especially enjoyed his ‘calling’ to art in Philly. I have an Arts & Architecture 4 yr degree and his conversation - what’s a portfolio brought me back to how I started - sculpture was part of my focus. Can’t wait to visit the memorial.
The reason I do not like modern art, is because I prefer art that takes effort and skill !
Much of modern art does take skill and effort but it severely lacks an inherant meaning and representation of humanity.
Throwing paint at paper isn’t talent, effort and/or art. An empty plastic cube isn’t talent, effort and/or art.
Modern art is a CIA psyop. Look it up.
Are you just trying to say that Hunter Biden’s art is dog💩?
Never confuse complexity and “skill” for what an art piece makes you feel.
Your brain and soul will let you know if it works for you or not .
Have a great weekend.
I can hardly wait to attend the unveiling ceremony in less than two weeks. The telling of the human experience through sculpture is one of the most compelling works of art I've ever seen. I'm so happy to be a combat veteran and to be alive today to see this monument. What a treat.
Incredible. This one is getting listened to again after the 13th.
Yes.
I will definitely replay this entire interview.
@@jonanderson5137 I thought that very way also!
This show had me riveted to my chair every minute. Mike, you have introduced a man who may become an American legend. Unfamiliar with serious art, I hadn't heard of him, but his masterpieces I've seen might be among the finest in America. His deep passion came through loud and clear; he's the real thing.
I heard the podcast, and then had to watch it for myself. So excited for this piece. Thank you Mr. Howard for celebrating the courage of our American history with your art.
This is a most consequential conversation. Absolutely inspiring!
Another of Mike's guest who I have never heard of or seen before. An interesting man. God bless Mike.
Two brilliant men! Loved this!
There should be more views than the current 112K views that are listed. This was a great interview, thank you very much! Unfortunately, I will probably never get to see his masterpiece in person but I cannot wait to see the documentary about how it was made. The theme of the monument reminds me of the movie, War Horse!
Amen Sabin, Amen! Sabin was a great guest, Mike Rowe!
What an amazing show. I could not leave my desk until it was over. Outstanding.
As an artist this is so so refreshing to hear
Mike is a world class interviewer. Extraordinary
So happy to see an artist on the show, especially one of his calibre.
Mike always talks to some interesting people 😁
What a terrific individual Sabin Howard thank you for this interview. IMO, if you’re paying attention this is the Art 101 you never knew you needed
Never heard of either of these two. Until now. Wow. Read the Betty Edwards book right around the same time he did. Sabin took it further than I did. This is important stuff. Aloha y'all.
“Art” is the reaction of the observer ..styles come and go ..but there’s something primeval in how it makes you feel .
Howard’s work hits you not only with the sheer physicality but the powerful emotional impact.
Art is NOT “the reaction of the observer.” Art has its own criteria separate from the observer.
Wow! What an inspiring conversation. Loved it!
I teach high school Art and it’s sad how underfunded this God given talent is. There are so many talented kids out there. Thank you Mr. Rowe for having this episode and podcast to showcase talent and creativity.
Fantastic interview with a very endearing artist❤
When he started to break down at the thought of "Nike" being damaged, ostensibly by Nazis, that was quite something.
Touch me so much it made my heart hurt.
So love that title. I can totally relate. It’s those that challenge convention and push against the current accepted norms, beyond what the majority doesn’t understand or want to look at in their live. Creativity in any vocation or career pat is always pushed on hard because it’s about humans not feeling inferior or out of touch with themselves. Consciousness always wants to expand and grow beyond current perceived limits. One generations heretic
is the next generations savior/hero. Thanks for giving a voice to the new paradigms of creation in this life!!
What a fantastic hour and a half. Sadly I had never heard of the artist before, now Sabin Howard is someone I want to know more about. Great show.
I loved this! Artists are the most sane people on earth. Including the ones who society drove crazy.
Finally 🎉enough is enough, let’s get back to Art😊
Sabin Howard is one fascinating artist! I really like him and I can’t wait to see this new sculpture!❤
I really am impressed. This is likely your best.
Best episode yet, love this guy.
thank god for this man. I'm literally no one in the art world, but I've been screaming this for years in the scene that we need to bring back beauty and skill! I'm so glad someone finally had the audacity to say it. This was probably the best pod cast/ conversation I've listened to in a very long time. I hope more artists will hear this and begin to take the craft more seriously, study the masters and really put all of themselves into their work. Art is the human experience is visual form and it matters more than ever right now!
Several people had better make movie/s about this guy. Yes more than one. This is important. Teaching kids they're evil because they're white IS NOT!
YOU TUBE!!! You have no right to censor ANYONE using your rationale.
Finally a REAL MAN OF CONVICTIONS and FAITH. Best Program I have seen in YEARS. Thanks Mike and especially Sabin. From a fellow Artist on the outside.
I have waited so long to hear an artist speak these truths. God Bless!
As an artist I say, AMEN! And that is a hardy Amen!
True art has always paralleled culture, liturature, history and architecture.
Thank you for this inspiring, enlightening podcast. It lifted my spirits immeasurably.
12 million is a great price for the scope of this work! Very impressive. I can't wait to see it.
Thank you Mike for bringing people like Sabin to the masses. It makes those of us who feel we are alone in our thinking, know that we are not. I love being a citizen of the United States. When Sabin said he didn’t have to be what his father was….but he still respected his father choosing to be who he was….. that’s the beauty of our country.
I was just in Croatia where we went out on a boat with an oyster grower. His family had been doing that since the 15th century. His daughter was there helping him. Disappointment was in his eyes when he said his son won’t continue the family tradition, he would rather be an Uber driver.
The contrast in our countries definition of success is different.
Yet when a father reflects on the life of his children, it’s the same. Sabin came to tears talking of his daughter following after him and the Croatian oyster grower came to tears when he thought his son would not.
Our hearts are intrinsically knitted with our upbringing and our children’s future. History matters, truth matters. Again, thank you Mike and Chuck and your team for connecting people.
Amazing show, Great Guest, Great conversation, hell yes!!! Good stull Mr. Rowe!!
I was a student of Sabin for a short time. This is Sabin ! and could not be anymore sincere and honest of a representation of Who is Always was. So proud of Him, his Message, and his Art !!
Oh yay! It’s Sabin Howard! Always wishing you the best.
The good, the true and beautiful!
God Bless Sabin!!!!! As an Artist. Finally somebody calls the BS of Crab Art.