From his TV special "Stupid In America" John Stossel reports on the success of charter schools and the effects of the teachers' unions. www.LibertyPen.com
I worked both union and non-union jobs. The union jobs to me were safer. The non-union jobs did not care if you broke your leg, you went to the ER and then come back the same day in a cast and went right back to work. example: Non-union :a discount store loading dock did not even follow their own safety rules. They would over pack the pallets so high that it will fall over on the next worker. Union: Say you work for a supermarket that is union. You get paid on holidays even if you did not work that day. I believe it's 4 hours pay automatically. Work July 4th get time and a half. Do not work the July 4th and still get 4 hours of pay. During the pandemic, the unions were able to get double pay to the supermarket workers plus hazard bonuses. Did you get a big fat paycheck working for say Burger King? I do not think so. Unions are better than no unions. They just do not have the power that they use to due to the rich CEO's making billions on our backs!!!!!!!!!!!
@@crazyknarf they idea of unions are good the intentions are good but every time, it just gets corrupt, which is unfortunately what happens to many low income public schools. Remember obviously the workers do matter but so does customer.
I love the idea of having no teachers' unions. The idea that your job security is based off of how well you do and how hard you work is your security. As shown in the video, the teachers are even more motivated and care so much more about the kids. Public school teachers just don't care enough to try most of the time.
Amen! I'm a teacher in Texas. Taught in the public schools...now in a charter...which is better...admittedly. However, I agree with you. I plan on starting a homeschool co-op and leave that pile of nonsense in the trash where it belongs. Schools are artificial constructs that manipulate students in every way.
@@steveonrock Actually, with many homeschool parents, they share teaching responsibilities amongst a group. For instance, one parent might teach more math and science while another teaches history or reading/writing. It's rarely the case where only the parents of that child are involved. At the church I go to now, homeschool groups meet regularly throughout the week.
"You're interested in math?" "YES" - Everyone I just broke down into tears of joy instantly. I'm not kidding. I am literally crying manly tears of joy after hearing that.
I graduated high school in 1968. I had good, caring teachers. That was the year the teachers in my state unionized. They were underpaid and needed to organize to improve their standard of living. The main problem with Unions however, is that once an objective has been reached, you can't get rid of them. Now, like many Unions, they just serve to protect the teachers who should probably be in another line of work.
I taught kindergarten in Bangkok for 6 years using unconventional methods other teachers never dreamed of with extreme success! The parents were more than happy and every student loved coming to my class. During my last year the principal from Singapore didn't like Americans and tried to force me to change my teaching methods which made me leave the school.
Thank you for posting this vid. I went to a Charter School, and I can't tell you how many times my friends use to tell me how they wished they could go to the Charter school with me.
12:00 - Jon: But how do you know your kids are learning if you don't test them? Union Stooge: I know my kids are learning when I look them in their eyes lol x infinity. I would love to hear what businesses would say to those kids when they applied for a job.
Such a shame - I live in Florida, the school that is closest to my house is rated a 1.5 - low reading/math levels, very poor test scores, behind state levels. Thank god a charter school opened up within 3 miles away the year my daughter started kindergarten and she was lucky enough to get in. School is amazing - sad they have to turn kids away - so many wish they could get in. This issue, in my opinion, is # 1.
The union boss from New Jersey looks like he should of played in Goodfellas or Casino. Be careful Mr. Stossel he might make you an offer you can't refuse.
Are you serious? You want to increase the cost of education 300%? Public school costs are already way out of control. We need a fresh perspective, and charter schools appear to be a possible solution.
"I know my kids are learning when I look in their eyes." That's brilliant. That way, later in life when the kids are on a job interview they can say "I'd be a good employee. Look in my eyes!"
I'm a teacher, my dad is a teacher. You've not addressed the point that charter schools are on the average worse in many districts. So it's not the unions that is at the crux of the problem. Turnover rates are high because of poor work environments. Hence why charter schools have worse stats in general.
You're kidding right? They're not paid enough! Teachers should have the same salary as doctors, thus driving the competition for higher quality teachers. We need to get rid of government forcing us to decide how we get our education and stop punishing the poor for not paying enough property taxes to get a high quality education.
OK...Long example of union issue. I was a head HS JV football coach who was NOT a teacher in the urban school. My teams won....a LOT ! We were 29-2 over 4 years. The parents (many poor and single) , players, booster club etc tried to get me installed as the Head Varsity Coach because they liked the way I ran my program. The varsity got killed each year, and always had kids in trouble...... but we won, and my players grades improved, and my guys got in significantly less disciplinary problems because I always held them accountable. The Athletic Director told me to my face that he'd love to hire me, but the union contract said that unless there was nobody in the building that would agree to do the job, they could not even look outside the building for a Varsity Head Coach. I asked him..."So, If Bill Belichek retired and decided to coach HS football in retirement, and at the same time the drivers education teacher also wanted to coach.....they'd actually have to hire the driver's ed teacher over one of the finest coaches ever ??" He stated simply "Yes, I'm sorry". I told him to never tell me "It's all about the kids" ever again. Because it's NOT. Listen to the tone of the union guy in this clip. He is saying it too. He is saying, We could care less about the education. We care about the adults and their jobs.
What he's not taking into account is that these children and their families are extremely motivated to do well and succeed. Public schools have no choice but to take every child in their district.
The government is the biggest corporation in the land. So to the woman that says we need to get the corporations out of the schools, let's start with the government.
The only way to make schools accountable to parents is to let them vote with their feet-take their share of tax money to schools that work. I've seen public school teachers who couldn't spell or even use correct English grammar. Laziness and stupidity are voluntary choices. We shouldn't be forced to pay for incompetent teachers. If that means they lose their jobs, that's too damn bad!
All you need to know about the cesspool of education in America is that graph that John showed - over the past 40 YEARS, student achievement and test results have been FLAT in public education, while spending PER STUDENT has risen dramatically. That's what the older generation used to call "buying the wrong thing." Let's scrap the whole system, get union activity out of public education, and start over with home schooling, charters, and vouchers!
Like everything else in this country, the unions have destroyed businesses and schools. Come to Rochester NY where the union controlled city schools graduate less than 50% of the students! Last year the graduation rate was 48%! Of those that graduate, only about 3% are ready for college level course work! It is criminal what the unions Have done and refuse to do to fix this disaster. Year after year thousands of kids leave school with no skills or diploma to get a job. They become a burden on the city, state and federal government. Tenure preserves poor performing teachers. The head of the union has been in control forever and refuses all changes. Oh and the teachers pay and benefits are some of the highest in the country!
My kids didn't have access to charters. There was public and private. We tried both. The private schools were free to teach as they saw fit, and deliver what the paying customers expected. As that customer, the private school delivered, hands down. They had to, or we would have left with our money. I'm not rich. Both the wife and I worked full-time jobs. I had two for a awhile. The private school offered classes the public elementary schools never did. Imagine kids learning French starting in the 3rd grade and conversational by the 6th grade. It was so worth it, and undeniably evident. This is why public schools hate charters. They would simply be exposed.
Wow. He just said that. At 9:50 he literally compares the union system to the mafia. I always thought my English teacher was sizing me up for cement galoshes, and now I know.
To Matt Damon: Its not about incentives, its about abilities. The bad actors want to be good actors. We get good actors not because of their desires, but because no one has to put the bad actors in movies.
Said wealth inequality is only increasing as we defund schools. My nephew's school, a public school, has a fundraiser coordinator to help compensate for a decrease in funding. You would be hard pressed to find this in an inner city school. Another issue is that more educated parents have more educated kids. These cognitive differences can be mitigated, but the proper resources are squandered by focusing on trying to dismantle public education.
Interesting reading. Let's look at the pros and cons here... Grades and average test scores over time: equal Class sizes: Charter are smaller Cost per student (DC Schools): Same to lower for charter schools. Vouchers are half Feeling of saftey when allowed to change schools: high Graduation rate: 15% increase in Charter/voucher The National Alliance of Public Charter Schools does a review every year and their 2010 results say the benefits are mild for the students, but higher for the public.
How about extremely low graduation rates? Especially when the cost per pupil is among the highest in the country? Is that a sign of excellence and a job well done? No wonder public school teachers don't want school choice. Who would choose them over other, better, cheaper alternatives? How could they ever get the same pay and benefits as they do now?
Yes, you did...which had nothing to do with with the "EVIL ASS UNION". I mentioned that wealth inequality is responsible, not the unions. You then gave your example without mentioning any support as to how the "EVIL ASS UNION" is responsible. You simply stated what had happened at your school. So again, it's irrelevant since the point made was not about a decrease in funding...but how unions are not solely responsible, but rather systemic inequality.
Among other discrepancies. Test scores determine simply how well one has been taught to take a test rather than apply what they've learned. Look at the score difference between state implemented tests and the NAEP tests and you'll see that the proficiency rates schools are offering up are extremely inflated. Children are not learning better or becoming more knowledgeable, they simply know now how to pick the best multiple choice answer.
Here is what I don't understand about the hysteria against charter schools and vouchers: even if they don't provide as good an education, that still doesn't mean that parents should be denied the choice to send their kids there. Ultimately, the decision on where students go to school should be for families, not the government.
"You are ignoring all of the costs besides teacher salaries" As I said, I worked in hospitality (food and hotel) and hotels run 24/7/365 while schools run 10/5/300. Even if you equate them rather than discounting schoold's wear, a business making $19 plus million can afford everything you list and still pay the teachers more. I'll even give you the excess union requests for HC and retirement. It's not rocket science, it's 5th grade math at most.
Then what? What's the metric here? I hope it's not looking into a kid's eyes and guessing. What's learned has to be applied. That application needs to be judged by an expert to see if the application is correct. It's a solid, working method. What is the alternative?
There is one major flaw in this video and I'm surprised that this video has received so many positive reviews. Fox News had a good point about the unions, but a lot of states are passing new laws that slow them to pay teachers based off of their students test scores. The one major flaw in this report is that the journalist failed to point out that charter schools get to pick their students and public schools have to teach everyone.
A retired Florida schoolteacher named Ruth Holmes Cameron successfully fought to keep charter schools out of her state./ She claimed competition is unrealistic and bad for kids. How did she ever get into college?
I had a teacher in high school who came to my school. She formally taught in an inner city school, gave that up, came to our school for less money. Her reason? Kids are nicer. We were a small rural public school with a graduating class of 200. But it taught me a little about attitude. In a public school system, if you get no support from the administration, they shrug off problems, you can't even get the supplies you need! Of course you couldn't pay a teacher enough in that environment. So the teachers don't care, because they're not supported by the administration. The kids stop caring because they have no structure at school and maybe not even at home. So it becomes a big cess pool of rot.
Google teacher's union benefits. I have family that is for better or worse in the teacher's union. Sure, they don't make dollar value salaries that are magnanimous, but take a look at union pensions, sick day accumulation and other benefits they enjoy.
I agree with Stossel up to a point. Notice that you didn't see many kids with disabilities or have any mention of them at these charter schools. That's 12% of America's student population.
the whole doctor analogy hits home, if you are a professional that is incompetent why should you be protected from being fired? you should either get better at your work or leave, instead of doing a poor job and messing up others' lives.
"This is propaganda--meant to mislead, not inform" This may be a true statement. Of course, as a person who learned math despite public schools trying to hold me back, I can figure out that if a school gets x dollars per student and there are y students in a "homeroom class" and each teacher has a "homeroom class", thats x*y dollrs per teacher. take away overhead and supplies and that leaves a teacher's salary. Ignoring merit pay, why don't the numbers add up?
Ben C. said, at 4:00, "Give me the worst school in Oakland and in five years I'll outperform it." John S. said, at 3:20, "Parents line up, hoping to get their kids admitted." Ben C. doesn't get ALL of the students from "the worst school in Oakland". He gets only that limited number who make it past the lottery selection... ...and therein lies a big part of the reason for the success of charter schools: They keep the students who perform well. Students who perform poorly or are consistently disruptive or have behavioral problems get sent back to the public school. Of course teachers are happier and students are more engaged. The teachers get only the 'best and the brightest', and the students are more motivated because they don't want to leave the 'special school'. (The students are initially selected by lottery. But their continued attendance there is usually determined by performance and conduct.)
Exactly how a school should be run... teachers should be paid for performance.... unions are the worst thing to ever happen to kids... The fact biden wants to take funding away from these schools to such up to the unions is disgusting
Teachers making $100k a year, but still have failing students? That's making too much. At that salary, you better have a near perfect record and do it under budget.
Although I do support the idea of a more flexible education program the way Charter schools are being carried out is frankly corrupt. In Michigan, about 65% of the charter schools are run by for-profit educational management organizations and the executive of charter school Eva Moskowitz manages to make close to half a million dollars overseeing programs that service 6,700 students while New York State Education Commissioner is paid a salary of $212,000 to oversee programs with 2.7 million students.
See my other post. You are ignoring all of the costs besides teacher salaries--the cost of building and maintaining the school building (including a mortgage), utilities, transportation (school buses), cafeteria, libraries, information technology, security, athletic programs and after school programs, administration, janitorial services, taxes (i.e., sales taxes; payroll taxes), healthcare (the school nurse; benefits for the staff), retirement, computers and information technology, AV equipment
The results are not the same. Charters are worse 37 percent of the time and better only 17 percent of the time. Can you cite to a peer reviewed academic study showing that charter schools cost less than public schools? See: "Making a Choice, Making a Difference? An Evaluation of Charter Schools in the District of Columbia." "preliminary evidence suggests that charter schools will not produce the substantial cost-savings that some envisioned"
Notice how you don't see my state, Texas, having idiot teachers. We basically neutered the Unions, but we still have millions of ISD bureaucrats. I would say bloated bureaucracies are the real danger. Yes, Texas has Charter and Government schools, but even charter schools have big bureaucracies that make them just as sluggish as Gov schools. In the long run, they will end up just as bad as Gov schools if the School Boards don't limit the percentage of bureaucrats.
In conclusion: Lower costs for same results is a benefit. Vouchers and charters allow for school choice and smaller class rooms, mild improvment in lower grades. Charters that use the same teaching meathods as regular schools don't show improvemnts. Conclusion 2: Your reading skills need work when you miss words, or you are choosing no not read my comments completely, meaning it's pointless to discuss this with you. Conclusion 3: A beter run system with fewer gov't admins would cost less.
Read "Multiple Choice: Charter School Study in 16 States" by Stanford. Charter schools performed worse than public schools 37 percent of the time, and only performed better than public schools 17 percent of the time. The data shows that on average, Charter Schools perform worse.
So why is Finland, a country without private schools and with a strong teacher's union, doing better than us? I think that it's overly-simplistic to blame the teacher's union and it actually doesn't address the crux of the issue which is that we actually have two public school systems: one for the upper middle class/ upper class and one for the rest of the population. This disparity is what is harming the US, not unions. The disparity that exists is due to systemic wealth inequality.
They advanced in grade without learning. It's called "social promotion." The measure of performance is the PISA or other achievement tests, with controls for student ability and socio-economic status and parental involvement. When you measure performance correctly, the charter schools are, on average failures. In Sweden, charter schools engaged in grade inflation, but students did worse on standardized test scores. Sweden has been dropping in PISA ever since "free schools" started.
A public school would have better test scores if the way they chose their children was based on parents lining up around the school and entering a lottery. That right there shows that those parents care. Public schools have to teach everyone, even those student that don't care and also have parents that don't care. It's really hard to teach a student that goes home and sees his dad high on couch watching TV.
He is wrong that we spend more on education. If you adjust for inflation, it becomes apparent that we spend less on it now. It also shown by most statistics that children who go to charter schools don't have any signs of higher education than children who go to public schools.
well that must be specific to your region, because this is a problem not just in America, but Canada and parts of Europe as well. What does your government spend per student or classroom ?
There are all kinds of expenses besides teachers--athletic programs and facilities, maintenance, utilities, transportation (school buses), administration, janitorial support, information technology, libraries, cafeterias, security, mortgages on the school building, etc. The data shows rather clearly that around half of teachers make less than $50K. So lets please use facts and not make up hypothetical numbers based on absurd assumptions about cost structures.
Almost no teachers make that kind of money. Look at the BLS data. Median teacher's pay for middle school is $55K per year. Only the top 10 percent of middle school teachers make more than $80K.
American Indian is rough, i live two blocks from it and all the time i see kids running around all the time. I think that the charter schools in DC are better because they encourage learning through making things fun. Im actually glad I dont go to american indian because I would lose every bit of freedom i had. If we had school choice, parents would most likeley send their kids to schools that have great test scores, average graduate income and ones that dont treat their kids like convicted felons.
I agree to the general take on this video BUT it is down to the parent's work and the student being discipline. The charter schools make sure there is parent involvement or they pressure them out of the school and if the kid isn't behaving, they kick them out or pressure them out...
"It is not because we care about children. It is not because we have a vision for a great public school for every child. NEA and it's affiliates are effective advocates because we have power." Bob Chanin NEA’s former General Counsel.
10 to 1 would mean tripling school costs. Many great schools thru the world have class sizes much bigger than in the US and do great. Universities can sometimes have hundreds of students in a room.
*_The most urgent necessity is, not that the State should teach, but that it should allow education. All monopolies are detestable, but the worst of all is the monopoly of education._* ~ Frederic Bastiat, _What Is Money?_ *_Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty._* ~ Thomas Jefferson *_To educate a man is to unfit him to be a slave._* ~ Frederick Douglass *_When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters._* ~ Alexis de Tocqueville *_It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled._* ~ Mark Twain *_I must studiously and faithfully unlearn a great many of the things I have somehow absorbed._* ~ Mark Twain *_Education consists mainly in what we have unlearned._* ~ Mark Twain *_I have never let school interfere with my education._* ~ Mark Twain *_Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance._* ~ Will Durant *_There is no nonsense so arrant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action._* ~ Bertrand Russell *_The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts._* ~ Bertrand Russell *_Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education._* ~ Bertrand Russell, _A History of Western Philosophy,_ 1945 *_Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good. In area after area - crime, education, housing, race relations - the situation has gotten worse after the bright new theories were put into operation. The amazing thing is that this history of failure and disaster has neither discouraged the social engineers nor discredited them._* ~ Thomas Sowell *_Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts._* ~ Frank Zappa *_It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it._* ~ Aristotle *_The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn._* ~ Alvin Toffler *_Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to ensure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery._* ~ Benjamin Disraeli *_Man had better be without education than be educated by their rulers._* ~ Thomas Hodgskin *_The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality._* ~ H.L. Mencken *_So the world got compulsory schooling at the end of a state bayonet for the first time in human history; modern forced schooling started in Prussia in 1819 with a clear vision of what centralized schools could deliver:_* *_- Obedient soldiers to the army;_* *_- Obedient workers to the mines;_* *_- Well subordinated civil servants to government;_* *_- Well subordinated clerks to industry;_* *_- Citizens who thought alike about major issues._* ~ John Taylor Gatto *_Public educators, like Soviet farmers, lack any incentive to produce results, innovate, to be efficient, to make the kinds of difficult changes that private firms operating in a competitive market must make to survive._* ~ Carolyn Lochhead *_Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed._* ~ Joseph Stalin
Also when these charter schools are dealing with a student they can't handle the student will be sent back to their neighbor school and in charter schools there is less regulations for staff and educators to be licensed, so yes they terminate at will employees because its easier for them to hire more personnel for certified positions when in fact a licensure is not necessary. That's how they get around all the regulations that's public education must deal with on a regular basis
Your public schools get more money than charter schools and don't performs nearly as well...Del Grasso's answer "tell them to have another bingo game". Great argument pal.
Sunshine High, a charter alternative school run by a for-profit company, stands a few doors down from a tobacco shop and a liquor store in a strip mall. It offers no sports teams and few extra-curricular activities. Sunshine’s 455 students - more than 85 percent of whom are black or Hispanic - sit for four hours a day in front of computers with little or no live teaching. One former student said he was left to himself to goof off or cheat on tests by looking up answers on the internet. A current student said he was robbed near the strip mall’s parking lot, twice.
How about we skip over the charter schools and just PRIVATIZE THE WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM. I miss Harry Browne, he used to always say the right thing and was a real libertarian hero relentlessly arguing against vouchers and charter schools which are all paid for through taxes and therefore offer a way for government to interfere even in private-run education.
Are those figures adjusted for inflation? Or is Stossel just showing inflation while claiming education spending has increased? There has been pretty much no increase in real (inflation adjusted) median pay for teachers over the last 12 years, yet Stossel's chart shows an increase. And he says we pay more than other countries, but his charts don't show any comparison of the U.S. to any other country, only a single line over time. This is propaganda--meant to mislead, not inform.
The problem with school choice is that those in richer neighborhoods will be getting swamped with student applications. Then the problem becomes how do we select the students that are allowed into our schools. The choice is not the parents but the school/ county administrators. So why do I think only rich neighborhoods are going to get swamped? Here is my math. In Montgomery county (3rd in $ per student) 66% of the money raised is from local sources. 27% from Maryland state(11th in $ per student). AND ONLY 3% comes from federal sources. So $12,000 that this student can take to School x does not factor in which district this student lives in. The kid that lives in Potomac/Bethesda could be bringing a school upwards of $28,000. Where a kid from another could only bring the national average of $12,000. If you were a school administrator, whose paycheck is now decided by which students you choose, what would you do? SO all school choice will end up doing is creating an even larger class system of schools where you can only go to the best schools if you live in the richest counties. OHH wait that is already happening.... So I am honestly asking what will school choice fix?
"unions are the worst thing that has happened to education"
Steve Jobs
get rid off the unions. thats the problem.
They fund Politicians every year and how they got their power and Congress is the only way it will change and they could care less.
I agree 💯
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I worked both union and non-union jobs. The union jobs to me were safer. The non-union jobs did not care if you broke your leg, you went to the ER and then come back the same day in a cast and went right back to work.
example: Non-union :a discount store loading dock did not even follow their own safety rules. They would over pack the pallets so high that it will fall over on the next worker.
Union: Say you work for a supermarket that is union. You get paid on holidays even if you did not work that day. I believe it's 4 hours pay automatically. Work July 4th get time and a half. Do not work the July 4th and still get 4 hours of pay.
During the pandemic, the unions were able to get double pay to the supermarket workers plus hazard bonuses. Did you get a big fat paycheck working for say Burger King? I do not think so. Unions are better than no unions. They just do not have the power that they use to due to the rich CEO's making billions on our backs!!!!!!!!!!!
@@crazyknarf they idea of unions are good the intentions are good but every time, it just gets corrupt, which is unfortunately what happens to many low income public schools. Remember obviously the workers do matter but so does customer.
I love the idea of having no teachers' unions. The idea that your job security is based off of how well you do and how hard you work is your security. As shown in the video, the teachers are even more motivated and care so much more about the kids. Public school teachers just don't care enough to try most of the time.
SAMMY YOUR IGNORANCE TELLS ME THAT YOU ARE NOT A TEACHER. A PERSON WHO HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE WAR CANNOT SPEAK ABOUT IT JUST BY WATCHING IT ON TV!
@@orestesvega2475 Sure then you can't teach many things based on your "logic."
Tenure is one of the great evils of our time.
That and unionization is some areas such as education.
Personally, I'm never sending my kids to government school. Charter school or private school, maybe. But, my plan is to homeschool them.
John C
Nailed it
Amen! I'm a teacher in Texas. Taught in the public schools...now in a charter...which is better...admittedly. However, I agree with you. I plan on starting a homeschool co-op and leave that pile of nonsense in the trash where it belongs. Schools are artificial constructs that manipulate students in every way.
Good luck with that. Homeschool means you're the teacher, and kids hate direct instruction.
Yo same
@@steveonrock Actually, with many homeschool parents, they share teaching responsibilities amongst a group. For instance, one parent might teach more math and science while another teaches history or reading/writing. It's rarely the case where only the parents of that child are involved. At the church I go to now, homeschool groups meet regularly throughout the week.
"You're interested in math?"
"YES" - Everyone
I just broke down into tears of joy instantly. I'm not kidding. I am literally crying manly tears of joy after hearing that.
+The Count of Menea Calais Awwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forcing a kid to go to a inner city public school is child abuse.
M G
Been saying that for years
Right on
What do you mean? Some people have no other choice, you dont choose to go there.
@@joeyGalileoHotto That's the point
THE JACKASS SAID, "A MEXICAN IN SCIENCE!! WHAT A JERK! RACISTS, BIASED PREJUCIED COMMENTS.
Yeah....the left really cares about minorities don't they?
I graduated high school in 1968. I had good, caring teachers. That was the year the teachers in my state unionized. They were underpaid and needed to organize to improve their standard of living. The main problem with Unions however, is that once an objective has been reached, you can't get rid of them. Now, like many Unions, they just serve to protect the teachers who should probably be in another line of work.
I taught kindergarten in Bangkok for 6 years using unconventional methods other teachers never dreamed of with extreme success! The parents were more than happy and every student loved coming to my class. During my last year the principal from Singapore didn't like Americans and tried to force me to change my teaching methods which made me leave the school.
Man that chief is awesome. He really understands the idea of hard love. He really seems like he wants his kids to succeed.
Thank you for posting this vid. I went to a Charter School, and I can't tell you how many times my friends use to tell me how they wished they could go to the Charter school with me.
It's a form of the mafia like waste Management or the IRS oops I forgot school boards
12:00 -
Jon: But how do you know your kids are learning if you don't test them?
Union Stooge: I know my kids are learning when I look them in their eyes
lol x infinity. I would love to hear what businesses would say to those kids when they applied for a job.
Only on the left does that pass as a viable benchmark.
Feels over Reals :|
It's simple, we should have a choice. Currently we are forced, into a system if we can not afford private education.
I hear Democrats are not in favor of school choice?
@@tastetherainbow9643 thats right
Such a shame - I live in Florida, the school that is closest to my house is rated a 1.5 - low reading/math levels, very poor test scores, behind state levels. Thank god a charter school opened up within 3 miles away the year my daughter started kindergarten and she was lucky enough to get in. School is amazing - sad they have to turn kids away - so many wish they could get in. This issue, in my opinion, is # 1.
The union boss from New Jersey looks like he should of played in Goodfellas or Casino. Be careful Mr. Stossel he might make you an offer you can't refuse.
Are you serious? You want to increase the cost of education 300%? Public school costs are already way out of control. We need a fresh perspective, and charter schools appear to be a possible solution.
"I know my kids are learning when I look in their eyes." That's brilliant. That way, later in life when the kids are on a job interview they can say "I'd be a good employee. Look in my eyes!"
I'm a teacher, my dad is a teacher. You've not addressed the point that charter schools are on the average worse in many districts. So it's not the unions that is at the crux of the problem.
Turnover rates are high because of poor work environments. Hence why charter schools have worse stats in general.
Lawrence Wong taught at the American Indian Charter School for four years and left education altogether for financial services.
Teachers are the most overpaid group in America
You're kidding right? They're not paid enough! Teachers should have the same salary as doctors, thus driving the competition for higher quality teachers. We need to get rid of government forcing us to decide how we get our education and stop punishing the poor for not paying enough property taxes to get a high quality education.
OK...Long example of union issue.
I was a head HS JV football coach who was NOT a teacher in the urban school. My teams won....a LOT ! We were 29-2 over 4 years. The parents (many poor and single) , players, booster club etc tried to get me installed as the Head Varsity Coach because they liked the way I ran my program. The varsity got killed each year, and always had kids in trouble...... but we won, and my players grades improved, and my guys got in significantly less disciplinary problems because I always held them accountable.
The Athletic Director told me to my face that he'd love to hire me, but the union contract said that unless there was nobody in the building that would agree to do the job, they could not even look outside the building for a Varsity Head Coach. I asked him..."So, If Bill Belichek retired and decided to coach HS football in retirement, and at the same time the drivers education teacher also wanted to coach.....they'd actually have to hire the driver's ed teacher over one of the finest coaches ever ??" He stated simply "Yes, I'm sorry".
I told him to never tell me "It's all about the kids" ever again. Because it's NOT. Listen to the tone of the union guy in this clip. He is saying it too. He is saying, We could care less about the education. We care about the adults and their jobs.
MSM needs more Stossel.
Excellent report... We need more charter school in Indiana...Please
Bill Gates also said something similar.
Bill Gates said education in America is terrible with little innovation.
What he's not taking into account is that these children and their families are extremely motivated to do well and succeed. Public schools have no choice but to take every child in their district.
The government is the biggest corporation in the land. So to the woman that says we need to get the corporations out of the schools, let's start with the government.
The only way to make schools accountable to parents is to let them vote with their feet-take their share of tax money to schools that work. I've seen public school teachers who couldn't spell or even use correct English grammar. Laziness and stupidity are voluntary choices. We shouldn't be forced to pay for incompetent teachers. If that means they lose their jobs, that's too damn bad!
I nominate you as head of the Department of Education.
All you need to know about the cesspool of education in America is that graph that John showed - over the past 40 YEARS, student achievement and test results have been FLAT in public education, while spending PER STUDENT has risen dramatically. That's what the older generation used to call "buying the wrong thing."
Let's scrap the whole system, get union activity out of public education, and start over with home schooling, charters, and vouchers!
Like everything else in this country, the unions have destroyed businesses and schools. Come to Rochester NY where the union controlled city schools graduate less than 50% of the students! Last year the graduation rate was 48%! Of those that graduate, only about 3% are ready for college level course work! It is criminal what the unions Have done and refuse to do to fix this disaster. Year after year thousands of kids leave school with no skills or diploma to get a job. They become a burden on the city, state and federal government. Tenure preserves poor performing teachers. The head of the union has been in control forever and refuses all changes. Oh and the teachers pay and benefits are some of the highest in the country!
My kids didn't have access to charters. There was public and private. We tried both. The private schools were free to teach as they saw fit, and deliver what the paying customers expected. As that customer, the private school delivered, hands down. They had to, or we would have left with our money.
I'm not rich. Both the wife and I worked full-time jobs. I had two for a awhile.
The private school offered classes the public elementary schools never did. Imagine kids learning French starting in the 3rd grade and conversational by the 6th grade. It was so worth it, and undeniably evident. This is why public schools hate charters. They would simply be exposed.
I think one of the reasons why Charter schools are doing much better than public schools because they can kick delinquent students out.
Charter Schools are the greatest thing of the last 20 years
CHARTER SCHOOLS RIP OFF TEACHERS. LOW PAYMENTS AND MORE WORKING HOURS. MODERN SLAVERY
my autistic boy went to a school like this and he LOVE IT. Arizona has tons of charter schools and they make a difference for kids and parents.
Wow. He just said that. At 9:50 he literally compares the union system to the mafia. I always thought my English teacher was sizing me up for cement galoshes, and now I know.
To Matt Damon: Its not about incentives, its about abilities. The bad actors want to be good actors. We get good actors not because of their desires, but because no one has to put the bad actors in movies.
Said wealth inequality is only increasing as we defund schools. My nephew's school, a public school, has a fundraiser coordinator to help compensate for a decrease in funding. You would be hard pressed to find this in an inner city school. Another issue is that more educated parents have more educated kids. These cognitive differences can be mitigated, but the proper resources are squandered by focusing on trying to dismantle public education.
Interesting reading. Let's look at the pros and cons here...
Grades and average test scores over time: equal
Class sizes: Charter are smaller
Cost per student (DC Schools): Same to lower for charter schools. Vouchers are half
Feeling of saftey when allowed to change schools: high
Graduation rate: 15% increase in Charter/voucher
The National Alliance of Public Charter Schools does a review every year and their 2010 results say the benefits are mild for the students, but higher for the public.
Wow this was funny. Public/union side made themselves look bad.
How about extremely low graduation rates? Especially when the cost per pupil is among the highest in the country? Is that a sign of excellence and a job well done?
No wonder public school teachers don't want school choice. Who would choose them over other, better, cheaper alternatives? How could they ever get the same pay and benefits as they do now?
Yes, you did...which had nothing to do with with the "EVIL ASS UNION". I mentioned that wealth inequality is responsible, not the unions. You then gave your example without mentioning any support as to how the "EVIL ASS UNION" is responsible. You simply stated what had happened at your school. So again, it's irrelevant since the point made was not about a decrease in funding...but how unions are not solely responsible, but rather systemic inequality.
Among other discrepancies. Test scores determine simply how well one has been taught to take a test rather than apply what they've learned. Look at the score difference between state implemented tests and the NAEP tests and you'll see that the proficiency rates schools are offering up are extremely inflated. Children are not learning better or becoming more knowledgeable, they simply know now how to pick the best multiple choice answer.
He just told you he’s a mob boss. And they are not getting in “over my dead body!”
tests aren't the only way to measure a child's performance
Here is what I don't understand about the hysteria against charter schools and vouchers: even if they don't provide as good an education, that still doesn't mean that parents should be denied the choice to send their kids there. Ultimately, the decision on where students go to school should be for families, not the government.
"You are ignoring all of the costs besides teacher salaries"
As I said, I worked in hospitality (food and hotel) and hotels run 24/7/365 while schools run 10/5/300. Even if you equate them rather than discounting schoold's wear, a business making $19 plus million can afford everything you list and still pay the teachers more. I'll even give you the excess union requests for HC and retirement.
It's not rocket science, it's 5th grade math at most.
Then what? What's the metric here? I hope it's not looking into a kid's eyes and guessing.
What's learned has to be applied. That application needs to be judged by an expert to see if the application is correct. It's a solid, working method. What is the alternative?
Union teachers picketing a charter school while the kids are coming in says it all for me.
I had several public school teachers that should have been fired, and everyone knew it.. but it never happened.
John Stossel is great. I wish we had more like him in the media.
There is one major flaw in this video and I'm surprised that this video has received so many positive reviews. Fox News had a good point about the unions, but a lot of states are passing new laws that slow them to pay teachers based off of their students test scores. The one major flaw in this report is that the journalist failed to point out that charter schools get to pick their students and public schools have to teach everyone.
A retired Florida schoolteacher named Ruth Holmes Cameron successfully fought to keep charter schools out of her state./ She claimed competition is unrealistic and bad for kids. How did she ever get into college?
I had a teacher in high school who came to my school. She formally taught in an inner city school, gave that up, came to our school for less money. Her reason? Kids are nicer. We were a small rural public school with a graduating class of 200. But it taught me a little about attitude. In a public school system, if you get no support from the administration, they shrug off problems, you can't even get the supplies you need! Of course you couldn't pay a teacher enough in that environment.
So the teachers don't care, because they're not supported by the administration. The kids stop caring because they have no structure at school and maybe not even at home. So it becomes a big cess pool of rot.
Google teacher's union benefits. I have family that is for better or worse in the teacher's union. Sure, they don't make dollar value salaries that are magnanimous, but take a look at union pensions, sick day accumulation and other benefits they enjoy.
"Some teachers are earning over $100,000"
"And they aren't making enough"
Wow. They overvalue themselves somewhat, don't you think?
I agree with Stossel up to a point. Notice that you didn't see many kids with disabilities or have any mention of them at these charter schools. That's 12% of America's student population.
Unions are for themselves, not the education of the youth.
the whole doctor analogy hits home, if you are a professional that is incompetent why should you be protected from being fired? you should either get better at your work or leave, instead of doing a poor job and messing up others' lives.
Most teachers don't make the salaries you are citing.
"This is propaganda--meant to mislead, not inform"
This may be a true statement.
Of course, as a person who learned math despite public schools trying to hold me back, I can figure out that if a school gets x dollars per student and there are y students in a "homeroom class" and each teacher has a "homeroom class", thats x*y dollrs per teacher. take away overhead and supplies and that leaves a teacher's salary.
Ignoring merit pay, why don't the numbers add up?
"High test scores are not what we focus on" - good luck kids, because high test scores are what employers focus on
Ben C. said, at 4:00, "Give me the worst school in Oakland and in five years I'll outperform it."
John S. said, at 3:20, "Parents line up, hoping to get their kids admitted."
Ben C. doesn't get ALL of the students from "the worst school in Oakland". He gets only that limited number who make it past the lottery selection...
...and therein lies a big part of the reason for the success of charter schools: They keep the students who perform well. Students who perform poorly or are consistently disruptive or have behavioral problems get sent back to the public school. Of course teachers are happier and students are more engaged. The teachers get only the 'best and the brightest', and the students are more motivated because they don't want to leave the 'special school'. (The students are initially selected by lottery. But their continued attendance there is usually determined by performance and conduct.)
What's the point of keeping consistently disruptive kids around?
As it should be. It's a privilege to go to those schools, and kids who are going to waste that opportunity don't deserve it
Are there any union leaders that don't look and sound like criminals?
Paul Krugman :
"Private charter schools, for example, appear to deliver a lot of profits but little in the way of educational achievement."
Teacher at a charter here. Sometimes less bureaucracy means less support for my ability to teach.
Exactly how a school should be run... teachers should be paid for performance.... unions are the worst thing to ever happen to kids...
The fact biden wants to take funding away from these schools to such up to the unions is disgusting
Teachers making $100k a year, but still have failing students? That's making too much.
At that salary, you better have a near perfect record and do it under budget.
Although I do support the idea of a more flexible education program the way Charter schools are being carried out is frankly corrupt. In Michigan, about 65% of the charter schools are run by for-profit educational management organizations and the executive of charter school Eva Moskowitz manages to make close to half a million dollars overseeing programs that service 6,700 students while New York State Education Commissioner is paid a salary of $212,000 to oversee programs with 2.7 million students.
See my other post. You are ignoring all of the costs besides teacher salaries--the cost of building and maintaining the school building (including a mortgage), utilities, transportation (school buses), cafeteria, libraries, information technology, security, athletic programs and after school programs, administration, janitorial services, taxes (i.e., sales taxes; payroll taxes), healthcare (the school nurse; benefits for the staff), retirement, computers and information technology, AV equipment
The results are not the same. Charters are worse 37 percent of the time and better only 17 percent of the time.
Can you cite to a peer reviewed academic study showing that charter schools cost less than public schools?
See: "Making a Choice, Making a Difference? An Evaluation of Charter Schools in the District of Columbia."
"preliminary evidence suggests that charter schools will not produce the substantial cost-savings that some envisioned"
This charter schools are the best thing to happen to our kids
Notice how you don't see my state, Texas, having idiot teachers. We basically neutered the Unions, but we still have millions of ISD bureaucrats. I would say bloated bureaucracies are the real danger. Yes, Texas has Charter and Government schools, but even charter schools have big bureaucracies that make them just as sluggish as Gov schools. In the long run, they will end up just as bad as Gov schools if the School Boards don't limit the percentage of bureaucrats.
In conclusion: Lower costs for same results is a benefit. Vouchers and charters allow for school choice and smaller class rooms, mild improvment in lower grades. Charters that use the same teaching meathods as regular schools don't show improvemnts.
Conclusion 2: Your reading skills need work when you miss words, or you are choosing no not read my comments completely, meaning it's pointless to discuss this with you.
Conclusion 3: A beter run system with fewer gov't admins would cost less.
Read "Multiple Choice: Charter School Study in 16 States" by Stanford.
Charter schools performed worse than public schools 37 percent of the time, and only performed better than public schools 17 percent of the time.
The data shows that on average, Charter Schools perform worse.
So why is Finland, a country without private schools and with a strong teacher's union, doing better than us? I think that it's overly-simplistic to blame the teacher's union and it actually doesn't address the crux of the issue which is that we actually have two public school systems: one for the upper middle class/ upper class and one for the rest of the population. This disparity is what is harming the US, not unions. The disparity that exists is due to systemic wealth inequality.
How many blacks in Finland? How many single-parent households?
They advanced in grade without learning. It's called "social promotion." The measure of performance is the PISA or other achievement tests, with controls for student ability and socio-economic status and parental involvement.
When you measure performance correctly, the charter schools are, on average failures.
In Sweden, charter schools engaged in grade inflation, but students did worse on standardized test scores.
Sweden has been dropping in PISA ever since "free schools" started.
WE LUV YOU CHARTER SCHOOLS STAFF, ADMINISTRATORS, TEACHERS PARENTS STUDENTS AND ALLLLLLLLLLLLL.............w/less money.
+Celeleia Alexander Your caps lock is on.......oh there you go. Did you go to a charter school? hee hee
Celeleia Alexander no we dont
Sounds like Charter Schools is the way to go. Why arent there more of them?
A public school would have better test scores if the way they chose their children was based on parents lining up around the school and entering a lottery. That right there shows that those parents care. Public schools have to teach everyone, even those student that don't care and also have parents that don't care. It's really hard to teach a student that goes home and sees his dad high on couch watching TV.
So again, how are the "EVIL ASS UNIONS" responsible for the situation that occurred at your school?
He is wrong that we spend more on education. If you adjust for inflation, it becomes apparent that we spend less on it now. It also shown by most statistics that children who go to charter schools don't have any signs of higher education than children who go to public schools.
well that must be specific to your region, because this is a problem not just in America, but Canada and parts of Europe as well. What does your government spend per student or classroom ?
There are all kinds of expenses besides teachers--athletic programs and facilities, maintenance, utilities, transportation (school buses), administration, janitorial support, information technology, libraries, cafeterias, security, mortgages on the school building, etc.
The data shows rather clearly that around half of teachers make less than $50K.
So lets please use facts and not make up hypothetical numbers based on absurd assumptions about cost structures.
Almost no teachers make that kind of money. Look at the BLS data. Median teacher's pay for middle school is $55K per year. Only the top 10 percent of middle school teachers make more than $80K.
American Indian is rough, i live two blocks from it and all the time i see kids running around all the time. I think that the charter schools in DC are better because they encourage learning through making things fun. Im actually glad I dont go to american indian because I would lose every bit of freedom i had. If we had school choice, parents would most likeley send their kids to schools that have great test scores, average graduate income and ones that dont treat their kids like convicted felons.
Any standardized objective metric is a test. The alternative is arbitrary impression.
No, turn over rates are high-ER because unionized gov schools make it damned near impossible to get rid of the driftwood.
I agree to the general take on this video BUT it is down to the parent's work and the student being discipline. The charter schools make sure there is parent involvement or they pressure them out of the school and if the kid isn't behaving, they kick them out or pressure them out...
"It is not because we care about children. It is not because we have a vision for a great public school for every child. NEA and it's affiliates are effective advocates because we have power." Bob Chanin NEA’s former General Counsel.
I haven't looked at this channel in a while. Oh does it feel good to be here again.
10 to 1 would mean tripling school costs. Many great schools thru the world have class sizes much bigger than in the US and do great. Universities can sometimes have hundreds of students in a room.
*_The most urgent necessity is, not that the State should teach, but that it should allow education. All monopolies are detestable, but the worst of all is the monopoly of education._*
~ Frederic Bastiat, _What Is Money?_
*_Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
*_To educate a man is to unfit him to be a slave._*
~ Frederick Douglass
*_When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters._*
~ Alexis de Tocqueville
*_It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled._*
~ Mark Twain
*_I must studiously and faithfully unlearn a great many of the things I have somehow absorbed._*
~ Mark Twain
*_Education consists mainly in what we have unlearned._*
~ Mark Twain
*_I have never let school interfere with my education._*
~ Mark Twain
*_Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance._*
~ Will Durant
*_There is no nonsense so arrant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action._*
~ Bertrand Russell
*_The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves and wiser people so full of doubts._*
~ Bertrand Russell
*_Men are born ignorant, not stupid; they are made stupid by education._*
~ Bertrand Russell, _A History of Western Philosophy,_ 1945
*_Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good. In area after area - crime, education, housing, race relations - the situation has gotten worse after the bright new theories were put into operation. The amazing thing is that this history of failure and disaster has neither discouraged the social engineers nor discredited them._*
~ Thomas Sowell
*_Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts._*
~ Frank Zappa
*_It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it._*
~ Aristotle
*_The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn._*
~ Alvin Toffler
*_Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to ensure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery._*
~ Benjamin Disraeli
*_Man had better be without education than be educated by their rulers._*
~ Thomas Hodgskin
*_The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality._*
~ H.L. Mencken
*_So the world got compulsory schooling at the end of a state bayonet for the first time in human history; modern forced schooling started in Prussia in 1819 with a clear vision of what centralized schools could deliver:_*
*_- Obedient soldiers to the army;_*
*_- Obedient workers to the mines;_*
*_- Well subordinated civil servants to government;_*
*_- Well subordinated clerks to industry;_*
*_- Citizens who thought alike about major issues._*
~ John Taylor Gatto
*_Public educators, like Soviet farmers, lack any incentive to produce results, innovate, to be efficient, to make the kinds of difficult changes that private firms operating in a competitive market must make to survive._*
~ Carolyn Lochhead
*_Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed._*
~ Joseph Stalin
Yes, the unions are total garbage when they phony their way into anything at all!
So you're saying that the hundreds of concerned parents lining up around the block are all fools, right?
Also when these charter schools are dealing with a student they can't handle the student will be sent back to their neighbor school and in charter schools there is less regulations for staff and educators to be licensed, so yes they terminate at will employees because its easier for them to hire more personnel for certified positions when in fact a licensure is not necessary. That's how they get around all the regulations that's public education must deal with on a regular basis
Your public schools get more money than charter schools and don't performs nearly as well...Del Grasso's answer "tell them to have another bingo game". Great argument pal.
Sunshine High, a charter alternative school run by a for-profit company, stands a few doors down from a tobacco shop and a liquor store in a strip mall. It offers no sports teams and few extra-curricular activities.
Sunshine’s 455 students - more than 85 percent of whom are black or Hispanic - sit for four hours a day in front of computers with little or no live teaching. One former student said he was left to himself to goof off or cheat on tests by looking up answers on the internet. A current student said he was robbed near the strip mall’s parking lot, twice.
How about we skip over the charter schools and just PRIVATIZE THE WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM. I miss Harry Browne, he used to always say the right thing and was a real libertarian hero relentlessly arguing against vouchers and charter schools which are all paid for through taxes and therefore offer a way for government to interfere even in private-run education.
Are those figures adjusted for inflation? Or is Stossel just showing inflation while claiming education spending has increased? There has been pretty much no increase in real (inflation adjusted) median pay for teachers over the last 12 years, yet Stossel's chart shows an increase.
And he says we pay more than other countries, but his charts don't show any comparison of the U.S. to any other country, only a single line over time.
This is propaganda--meant to mislead, not inform.
I think Geoge W Bush said it very well "Is our children learning" and also "Childrens do learn when standards are high"
The problem with school choice is that those in richer neighborhoods will be getting swamped with student applications. Then the problem becomes how do we select the students that are allowed into our schools. The choice is not the parents but the school/ county administrators. So why do I think only rich neighborhoods are going to get swamped? Here is my math. In Montgomery county (3rd in $ per student) 66% of the money raised is from local sources. 27% from Maryland state(11th in $ per student). AND ONLY 3% comes from federal sources. So $12,000 that this student can take to School x does not factor in which district this student lives in. The kid that lives in Potomac/Bethesda could be bringing a school upwards of $28,000. Where a kid from another could only bring the national average of $12,000. If you were a school administrator, whose paycheck is now decided by which students you choose, what would you do? SO all school choice will end up doing is creating an even larger class system of schools where you can only go to the best schools if you live in the richest counties. OHH wait that is already happening.... So I am honestly asking what will school choice fix?