Superintendents in Los Angeles Unified were rewarding principals who would get rid of teachers with the most years of experience in order to save on pensions and benefits.
@@truther001 yup, I’m the poster girl for that move. Sped teachers aren’t cost efficient. They’ve been pushing out master level highly qualified and experienced teachers for years. We are replaced by warm bodies on waivers.
That is exactly what I was thinking! It seems pretty obvious. If you want to know why teachers are leaving; ask them and act to fix the reasons people are leaving. These measures are only validating that those in charge of education do not value educators (and in some cases are openly resentful) and further leads to the de-professionalization of our profession. These measures will hurt a generation of kids.
Very few news pieces cover how disrespectful students and parents play a big role in why teachers leave. Parents need to parent their children, and not expect the school to do everything, and then complain when a teacher says how disruptive their child is, and that they're not doing well academically. STEP UP TO BEING A RESPONSIBLE PARENT!!
Preach Jill!!! People are too afraid to say it out loud and it's top of conversation in our staff meetings. Certain parents spend all their time and energy fighting the district and the school but kids are still failing and parents are not making students accountable for their part in education.
The reasons above are why I left the profession in 2018. I grew weary of my students’ poor behavior being excused by their parents. And, the students rarely came to class prepared to learn. However, they always had their cell phones.
Teachers make miracles everyday! Most parents expect teachers to pull out a magic 🪄 wand and abbra cadabra total transformation of problematic students. Often times, parents of “these” students project (everything that’s wrong in their lives, circumstances, situations etc)on the teacher. I’ve seen students with such potential…. Ufff I get too emotional , diminished by their circumstances. It’s a profession that requires a lot of “hats”. And don’t get me started on Administration!
It's not just the low pay, but low funding for schools overall. There needs to be educational assistants, security, nurses, librarians, counselors, custodians, kitchen staff, technology support... the list is overwhelming. Every time support staff is cut, teachers are picking up the slack.
This is very true. And don't forget about substitute teachers. It's really hard when classes have to make space for more kids when you're already carrying a heavy roster.
It does not surprise me that Texas and Florida, two states that currently have high state interference with teaching in the classroom, are having trouble hiring. You ban books and pay low and tell teachers what they can and can’t say, and, surprise! They leave.
I’ve been a teacher for 25 years. Honestly it’s not really the pay that’s so bad especially if you love it. We have good benefits and retirement plans. I would NOT recommend teaching because of all work they keep piling on us. Pressure to get the scores up, differentiate instruction to many levels of students while giving them a one size fits all test, many tests/assessments throughout the year, student behavior and disrespect to the profession, politicized agendas, socioemotional learning, fear of getting shot/the idea of giving teachers guns, pushing political agendas that many teachers don’t believe in, get blamed for everything. The lastest one is they will push is called inclusion where they will bring in special needs students with moderate/severe disability to the regular Ed classrooms. Pretty much dismantle special day classes. I am currently an out of the classroom teacher. I will quit before I get sent back to the classroom. There are other professions out there, teaching is too stressful and not worth it. My district is offering $5000 bonus to new recruits BUT they’ll give it to you in 3 years. WTF is that? That equals to about $80 a month after taxes. What a joke!
Exactly, they pile on more work every year but you're at starting salary 15 yrs later regardless of your experience and added two masters degree. No way to make more but to leave!!!
@ChocolateSyrupOverdose You cannot have a criminal record. That is a big turn off for some districts. Other districts will hire you as long as you are honest about your past. I wish you well.
@@bradspringer2372 Inclusion is burning out teachers. They should rotate the teachers who deal with the inclusion class. Sometimes its the same teacher year after year. Our school has 1 teacher per grade level that does inclusion. The population of our school has supportive parents and lots of paras and volunteers, and that helps.
I remember my teachers going on strike 20 years ago for pay, benefits, support, supplies, and basic respect. Teachers love their students so they've held on as long as they could. What we're seeing now is what happens when you ignore their needs and instead demand more from them. My family has decided to homeschool because even the best teachers are being handicapped by test score obsessed administrations, entitled parents and violent students.
It’s crazy that just a few years ago, homeschooling was primarily about a Christian education. Now public schools are instituting policies based on Christian Right fear and parents are homeschooling to give their kids what used to be available in public school, a secular education not influenced by any one religion.
I used to teach in a public school. The schools are all about equity. The standards expected out of students were different based on the socioeconomic groups of the students. When equal outcomes are expected, the skills are typically equally low. After all, you can't leave any student behind. Just lower the standards until everyone passes.
They outlawed striking in Michigan. Then they took away the right of the Unions to bargain *anything* except compensation. Then the State passed a law stating that the last, best contract offer by the school district WOULD BE implemented no matter if the Union (that is, we the union/group together) of teachers voted to accept the offer -- OR NOT. Then the State took away part of everyone's retirement benefits earned from that point forward. Then new hires got worse retirement benefits offered to them and couldn't even access the traditional retirement benefit. Then the State passed a law limiting how much the districts could pay towards health insurance/benefits so coverage got worse, deductibles got higher and co-pays got higher meaning that teachers, effectively, got paid EVEN LESS in compensation. So, as you say, after the last 20+ years of sustained Republican attacks on education funding and respect (aided and abetted by Obama's "Race to the Top" no-child-left-behind-lite) and a deranged focus on test scores rather than the young humans in front of us, teachers voted with the last vote & last right the Republicans couldn't take away -- the right to vote with our feet and walk away. And our youth SAW all this happening, looked at the cost of earning a teaching degree vs the compensation (😂) once teaching and NOPED the heck out. They see teachers being bashed by politicians and, for many, by their own parents. Who's going to go into a disrespected profession that's expensive to enter and poorly paid?!? (Not enough, apparently. Good luck, USA. "We out.")
I'm a teacher and I stepped down because being micromanaged the way we are is the worse. The workload gets heavier and heavier which means no time for your own personal life. The disrespect from the parents that admin allows. The pay. There should be less government influence in the classroom because political figures be making the rules and have never been in front of a classroom before. Districts getting rid of special education to merge students in regular classrooms knowing that these students need special attention. It's more than just money It's more about respecting the profession and allowing teachers to use their own methods. The curriculum is not picked by teachers and it shows. Standardized testing should be removed. Students need less class time and not having so many subjects in one day especially at the elementary level...I could go on and on! I could write a book!
Disagree on one point: I don't think we get rid of standardized testing. I think it needs to be nationally streamlined and proper curriculum created for it. And not 1 curriculum but like 15 or 25 different curriculum for each set of requirements. And then the main thing is that it should be standardized to where it is less than half of the year you are teaching this curriculum, maybe even only 1/3 of the year, and then the biggest thing is kids should be the ones held accountable for their learning, not teachers (for the most part). If they are not at grade level they should be held back, and we need to 100% recalibrate the metrics for how teachers and schools are evaluated. Why are we punished because some kid refuses to do any work all year and is constantly disruptive? I could go on... I know it is a complicated point I am trying to make so it may not be completely clear where I am coming from but I don't think we get anywhere by abolishing standards, but we seriously need to change how they are assessed
@@tomr6866 ...keyword "business". Our education system should not be treated like a business. It should not be allowed to go under. Our government would not even let private banks, car manufacturers and airlines go under. Investing in our education system is a valuable investment for our country's future. Therefore, teachers should get the same benefits as other important public services.
@@trevorstine8647 It is a business bc you have employees and not volunteers. Plz tell me in what other career do you get paid the same salary 15 yrs into it? Hence, still at starting salary.
Kids deserve to a have a teacher that is highly qualified. As much as I respect a veteran, that does not make them qualified to teach. Give people a reason to want to become teachers. 1. Starting pay needs to be high 2. Better medical benefits 3. Increase pay accross the board to all teachers. 4. Actually hold kids accountable for their behavior. 5. Eliminate standarized testing 6. Provide real change in gun legislation so teachers feel safe. 7. Stop bringing wacko legislations. 8. Deffer student loans. Loan forgiveness for teacher in return of years of teaching.
However, you fill out one blank or tick one box wrong on that application expect to start the whole process over. It’s happened to too many friends. They put in their time only to find out something went wrong, which they were not informed of, and they don’t qualify for forgiveness.
@Mr.Osuna’s Mathematics Channel Yo what’s up. I’m a former student from the online year, crazy that somehow I found you in a comment section on TH-cam. I hope teachers get treated better and that you’re doing good. Know that you were one of my good teachers, always looked forward to your class.
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. That's equivalent to $85,000 annually if they worked 12 months with the equivalent holiday package that most everyone gets. They also get their benefits, pensions, and pension benefits. If they want to make more money, they can work for three months EVERY YEAR ....which some do.
It’s been going on for a while now; no one was paying attention. Then, it just got worse and worse. I was teaching at a university and I was on public assistance. That is the biggest crime! Many of my colleagues had second jobs. I had two small children, so I couldn’t. I finally left and went to Asia. This is where all the good teachers have gone -if you were wondering. We get paid very well. We were completely taken care of during the pandemic and fully paid. And we never have to worry about school shootings.
@@deepinthestreets5351 I currently live in China, but before this I lived in Thailand. I have friends who are doing well in Korea, Japan and Viet Nam too.
No one is concerned, or there would be more comments and views. As a teacher, I have watched all of these videos in dismay that no parents seem to care that their children are not getting educated. Or are they? Are they going to e-academys? Private schools? Charter schools? I know teachers are getting tired of teaching disrespectful brats and administrations.
Believe me...they are worried...Most unappreciated profession is teaching their troubled kids and dealing with their threats. Parents should be ashamed of themselves.
R. Jelly, Love your last statement ! I finished my 5 years teaching and decided to stop teaching a year in the U.S. (for now) to be a ... spoiled brat to my parents haha... I can be a spoiled brat, too haha...
Because the parents that care are sending their kids to good schools,or private schools, or homeschool....it's just the challenged adults keeping their kids in school and they themselves are often trashy...so they don't care what kind of education Thier kids are getting.
@@om-nj2hw that's not true. A lot of parents can't afford to move or send their kids to another school. And only a fraction of parents make competent homeschool teachers.
True, if this truly WAS a concern, pay and benefits would be increased, supports would be unlimited, and teachers would have protection from violent students and abusive parents. None of that will happen any time soon. Our society has NO RESPECT for teachers.
One year my sister was mad because her job in private industry lowered her year end bonus from 50k to 20k. She asked me what I got for my year end bonus. My principal had given everyone a miniature candy cane in our mailboxes.
So I do appreciate the focus but to be honest this didn't just happen. The pandemic may have expedited teacher leakage but it was already happening. Funding has always been an issue, lack of admin support, mass school shootings, parents not being supportive and in a lot of instances hostile or dangerous, new legislative restrictions that have nothing to do with education but driven by fear and ignorance. All of that needs to be looked at and I am sure I am missing a lot. I am not a teacher but like to think I am an advocate.
Very well explained! You express yourself as someone who is in the teaching profession. And yes you are right, it did not just happen. The pandemic made so many educators reevaluate career choices and how much more they were willing to put up with. Educators are overwhelmed, overworked, not valued nor respected, underpaid, with ridiculous pensions, and now asking themselves, "Are my students safe at school? Am I safe at school? Are we next?"
I'm going to add that schools and teachers are also constantly being expected to do more. We aren't just responsible for educating kids anymore, but are expected to take care of most aspects of their well-being. I've only been teaching for 3 years, but every year I have had extra duties added (from the state level). This year I am literally taking time out of science class to teach things like how to make friends. I love my job, but a quarter of this stuff really shouldn't be my job. (And it would also be really nice to be paid enough that I could afford rent without a roommate.)
@@asawhitemanidjustliketosayobviously your teacher wasn’t compensated enough. Had they been, they would have taught you to end your sentence with punctuation. Carry on!
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. That's equivalent to $85,000 annually if they worked 12 months with the equivalent holiday package that most everyone gets. They also get their benefits, pensions, and pension benefits. If they want to make more money, they can work for three months EVERY YEAR ....which some do. "RESPECT" is something that is not handed out. It is something that is EARNED. Teachers aren't "allowed" to teach .....they are EXPECTED to teach. If they don't teach then they shouldn't be a teacher. It sounds like you are quite clueless .
Why would anyone want to be a teacher in todays society? There's no more saving a kid. The student loans are never forgiven leading to a life of destitution when someone served the public honorably at a reduced pay!!!
@@veganpotterthevegan you have to teach at low income schools the 1st years to qualify for partial repayments and sadly NO ONE or not enough people male this known. If you don't initially you're later disqualified
@@veganpotterthevegan absolutely nothing wrong with it. 👍👍🏾I'm saying that word needs to get out that these programs exist when you're a new teacher graduating no one makes the the information known. knowing makes all the difference 💯
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 anyone going to school for an education degree certainly knows. And I know most of the teachers I had in HS brought it up. I very likely would have done it myself had I not had an athletic scholarship with no ability to pay for school
Southern states! What can you expect? Northern schools have historically been far superior to Southern schools! Thank God I taught in the North! 37 years / Special Education ! 31 years at the Preschool level! I miss the children but not the constant stress, State testing requirements, paperwork , endless useless Staff Meetings!
I have been a teacher for 23 years and it’s not just the money…it’s the respect from society….I am close to retirement so I stay but if I could leave I would…
The disrespect is my problem and I have been doing this for 5 years now and have siblings still in middle and high school…teaching is a joke to people nowadays and parents talk bad about their kids’ teacher right in front of them and then guess what happens when they go to school…? I have literally seen it happen before my eyes this past year.
You DO NOT GET HANDED RESPECT. NO ONE DOES ......YOU EARN IT. If you find you are not getting any respect .........LOOK IN A MIRROR. The truth of the matter is most obviously clear. There is no way you or any other teacher would EVER tell the truth. An average salary in the U.S. of $63,645 annually, with benefits, pension, and pension benefits .....and an AUTOMATIC THREE MONTHS VACATION THROUGHOUT THE CAREER is light years ahead of any other occupation. If any teacher doesn't think so, then they should NOT be getting into this occupation in the first place. .
A terrible dilemma of our times, Teachers should be paid what they are worth and that's alot. It's a shame that standards for teaching positions are being lowered as this has negative effects but I suppose it's better than nothing.
Lowering standards and hiring non qualified vets just shows that these dumb politicians see teachers as glorified babysitters. And I bet their districts don't have shortages and they would never accept these compromises.
More pay is not going to fix the problem. Some may stay with more pay, but there are too many ills of society, and too many demands on teachers. The job in urban education is impossible to do without huge stress, and it is not worth it.
Weren't the vaccine mandates the main reason for the overall worker shortage (not just the teachers).? Why this reason is never mentioned as even being one of the main reasons? ?
By better than nothing do you mean ‘ no free babysitter for the nations children so everyone else in the country can go to work child stress free and make a decent wage ‘ because that’s what it is . Babysitting . In many states they are recruiting foreigners from many countries to come live in America and teach . Because even the undereducated Americans who are now able to be a classroom teacher won’t take the job - why? They make more working at amazing or Costco with far less legal liability and responsibility .
As a dual & special Ed teacher I want to say the following working at a title I school 1. We are exhausted 2. We are PROFESSIONALS having to fund our classrooms 3. We can’t afford homes 4. We live in a cycle of STRESS I love what I do but it’s disheartening when the same thing you love creates havoc in your life. The conditions have had multiple people quit. #8yearsteaching #GWU2022
@@Melbester9 you don’t have to have a law degree. There are plenty of politicians at the state level that just have a HS Diploma or GED. It’s rare but it happens. They use those connections and take bribes. Most politicians elected come in making next to nothing and leave millionaires. We need to fix the system.
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. Then there are the benefits, pensions, and pension benefits. What "lawmaker" gets THREE MONTHS HOLIDAYS FROM DAY ONE, FOR THE REST OF THEIR WORKING TERM? .
Where were these teachers when students and parents needed them to stand up to their unions and superintendents on behalf during the school closures and distance learning? Sure could have used their help, voices, and passions to re-open schools and save a lot of kids from mental health struggles. Sorry. Don't have a whole lot of sympathy for them, too often.
You don't need to call this a "profession". It is a UNIONIZED industry that includes salaries, benefits, pensions, and pension benefits. Those that are leaving have their own reasons .....which is their choice. They know they can't do the job or no longer want to do the job ....that provides THREE MONTHS OF HOLIDAYS FROM DAY ONE ....FOR THE REST OF THEIR WORK TERM. .
@@catherinepeters4910 teachers were teaching during pandemic and stepped in the classroom when they reopened. Teaching all day with mask on. This is the type of disrespect that causes teacher shortage. People just coming up with bs to attack teachers.
@@taxicamel What are you even talking about? Teachers don’t get paid for the three months off. Our contract only covers 9 months of the year and they take out money out of our paycheck to cover the other months we don’t work. So we only receive half the money we usually get paid, and not enough to cover expenses. You’re talking about something you don’t understand and it’s that sort of ignorance that are making teacher leave. Teachers that are fit and trained are leaving the classroom, but I guess you’re naive to see that.
The academic ivory tower is clueless. I have never had a superintendent do anything to help me in the classroom, only hinder me. They do advocate pay raises for teachers... that usually corresponds to them getting a bigger raise.
In one of my teaching assignments (back in the day, over 15 years ago), my classroom had 35 desks. The incompetent counselors assigned 45 kids for my period 2 class. Four kids could sit on the chairs next to the computers, but they didn't have desk space. The rest had to sit on top of the cabinets in the back of the room. Good thing the fire marshal never came to check the room. Leaving the teaching profession was the _BEST_ decision I've made in my life.
@Lp78Ch I doubt it was a "mistake" they try that now and most states limit is 33 you go over that or allow yourself to be pushed over it an something happens the liability is on you & your certificate on the line.
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 You have to realize it's one of those "immigrant" school districts where student enrollment fluctuated quite severely from year to year. The kids were quite pleasant, though. Many hardworking kids, and even the troublemakers weren't _that_ bad. My students told me that the gang kids wouldn't even show up to school, so I was left to deal with the "normal" kids. It was the inept administration (all the way up to the district level) that pushed me over the edge.
29 years teaching: Why are we quitting the reasons are vast but in Texas here are a FEW, 1. Rules from the ivory tower. ONE EXAMPLE: timing ever second of your day and what you have to do (This is literal) surprise not every class is the same some need more time to get things learnt (shocking right). 2 Mastery, getting students where they ACTUALY know what is being taught. When you change objectives every 4 ish days they have no hope. 3 Money for staff to support and make class sizes smaller, salary's etc. YES the US military is important BUT $754 billion !?? YA that's a problem a big one. Try putting 200 billion of that into education and you get a lot more from it. Stop electing rich idiots and elect smart ordinary people who care.
You guys have Abbott and I have DeSantis. Abbott is just an incompetent imbecile. DeSantis is actually a very smart man who uses his brain to radicalize people and create an extremely toxic political environment in Florida. I'd trade Abbott's incompetence any day over DeSantis's pure evil.
For the record, I actually left my teaching position for a job that pays exactly the same (would have liked to get higher paying, but no big deal...money wasn't my main reason for leaving anyway). It pays exactly the same, but is 1000 x less stressful, still in the field of education, 80% work from home (I go into the office just one day a week max, and have had many weeks of just complete work from home). I've been in the position for a year and a half now and have yet to have a bad day, which is an amazing streak of "no bad days" even compared to non-teaching jobs. While I was teaching high school, I had an average of 2-3 bad days per week. Leaving K to 12 teaching is self-care.
@@gracenotes930 I don’t want to state the title because I’m not saying this job title is a dream job. It isn’t necessarily. My particular position is laid back. And I don’t deal with kids, parents, or school admin, just professionals. So I don’t have bad days. Of course, even other “professionals” can be a headache. I just haven’t experienced it on any given day nearly enough to make the day bad. (Whereas with teaching high school, I was downright angry/frustrated/abused 2 to 3 days per week.) And…work from home is common. I’m not saying I have a dream job. I’m saying I have a much less stressful one that is work from home and pays me the same as what classroom teaching did.
@@Micro_Learning ....really ....you don't want to "state the title because I'm not saying this job title is a dream job.". Well that pretty well suggests your opening comment is close to being 100% BOGUS. Well done. You spent more time "explaining" how "bad" or all the "negatives" you experienced .....yet your explanation about your new job isn't quite what all what you made it out to be. It sounds more like you don't want any "challenges" in your work .....which means you identified you were doing something you should never have gotten into in the first place ....which is a good thing. The bonus part is you made the decision to get out and got out. Good on you!!!! But don't make the teaching job sound as bad, just because you couldn't handle the work. People who want to teach should already KNOW what they're getting into ......which is obviously not something many teachers have not done or know how to do. .
@@useridcn so what’s? Eventually we all will work and pay these taxes back. Nothing is better than investing in our own. Granted not everyone will be successful but most will contribute back to society one way or another. Free tuition is good, if you don’t want to go then don’t but those who do should really have the option to.
Yes, let’s treat them to low salaries and a total lack of respect from students, parents, admin, and politicians and then complain when no one wants to do the job. They are professionals! Try treating them like it and maybe they’ll stay in the profession. How politicians, people who haven’t set foot in a classroom as adults except as photo opps, became in charge of teaching materials and methods is beyond me.
Depends on what teaching materials you're talking about. But yes, students need to learn to be more respectful and need to be disciplined by their unruly parents.
I'm a teacher and I like my job, but we are blamed for everything. Student doesn't do well in school, it's the teacher's fault. Students are never held accountable and parents can be tyrants.
Being a second year teacher myself I’m debating career changes simply because of disrespectful students and parents. The addiction that kids have to their phones and tech in general has made teaching material impossible and teaching behavior the goal.
Isn't teaching with tech the goal? I find it troubling a teacher would be anti-tech. My high school always taught us the latest tech. Nothing could be more important. It was integrated into every class, but especially math.
@@zenwilds2911 Im not anti tech. In fact, it’s how you succeed in work and school. But kids are beyond addicted TikTok/social media and it’s a fact that it’s a competition for their attention.
It's been ONE WEEK into the school year in Savannah, Georgia. TV station WJCL there is already reporting teacher exhaustion after the first four days of school due to oversized groups and being asked to sub for other classes on top of that during their planning time.
If they are serious about increasing the retention rate among teachers they need to pay these teachers a livable, wage otherwise they will pursue other higher paying jobs and things will go downhill if this is not corrected.
As a teacher, I can say that if you get admin who actually know what they are doing, a lot of problems will go away. Examples include disciplining students, backing teachers against parents who ALWAYS get their way, etc.
The pandemic gave a lot of people time to actually catch their breath. They looked around and realized they were qualified for other jobs that paid better, offered better working conditions, were less demanding both phycally and mentally, and were muchless stressful. Of course people left.
I had 30 years in the classroom. I LOVED my actual job. I was planning to continue teaching, but chose to retire. I don't have enough space to list the reasons that I made that decision.
I call tell from your comment that you have a happy demeanor and probably got along naturally with most of your kids. Thanks for putting in 30 years for our kids!
It’s not the pandemic, pay, or benefits. It is the entire culture and atmosphere of the classroom now. You are not hired to teach, you are hired to push multiple agendas and to raise test scores. It is hard to feel like you are doing something meaningful when someone is pulling your strings.
I left teaching in November 2020, 8 months after the pandemic started, but I started "looking for other work" just 3 months into it. My reasons were many, but a few of the main ones were kids being disrespectful, admin having a "sorry if you don't like it, but..." attitude about too many things, and just being burnt-out in general. All of this was brewing in me pre-pandemic, but got intensified quickly. Edited to add: About parent disrespect, I got that sometimes too, but more often the parents were outwardly very nice and seemingly deferential to teachers while still demanding that you give their kid a pass for everything, both behavior related & grades related. It's pretty pathetic, and having been a good student my whole life, I kinda look down on people trying to buy grades or strong-arm other people for grades. Pathetic.
I am from Honduras and applied to an exchange program to teach in the USA, I have 10 years of experience teaching science, I have a master's in teaching languages I am a painter, and Speak 5 languages even though the exchange program told me that I was not highly competitive to be part of the program however they told me that they would put my application on hold for the next year, but after watching thousands of videos of teachers quitting I think I will move on and to study another career! especially if the principal reason everyone is quitting is the behavior of the students.
50K is a good starting salary for college grads. No one graduating from college starts making a high salary. That's after years of experience, you make more from the job. You get a raise or you find another job that pays more.
@@adeleennis2255 It varies by state. Some states pay teachers more than others. In NY, teachers are paid decently. Usually it's $40-50K range starting. Teachers making less are either teaching Pre-Kindergarten/Elementary School. Middle and High School pays better.
@@Melbester9 I’m not saying it ain’t good but that’s the reason we are mostly losing teachers. A teacher has in most cases more education than an professional athlete. $50k is not far.
@@ThisLILT I can manage $50K a year but a lot of people can't. I would be a king off $50K easily. Just comes down to managing finances and budgeting. There's plenty of athletes that are educated. Don't assume that all athletes aren't educated. There's self education outside of academia that colleges don't do for people. Teachers should still be paid decent for what they do. I had many amazing teachers and it's sad that the profession doesn't get paid what they deserve. It's a shame.
The schools won't back the teachers when she is going by the rules to try and help a kid, but it makes the parents mad, the parents blame the teachers for their bad kid's problems(learning starts in the home). You can make more money working at WalMart after a few years and clock out and be done, teaching-- you take the job home with you every night. Welfare wages, angry parents, no support from leadership, long hours, terrible benefits in States like Arkansas.
The classic school setup is not working anymore. Teachers should be able to provide quality instruction to students with out worry for safety and mental health. This could happen if teachers worked from home. The instruction time could be zoomed into the classroom where trained staff monitors the site for safety and order. School needs to provide supplies for students instead of teachers always providing them.
Kids have to face bullying,fights ,and dealing with shootings.And teachers are tired of dealing with those issues too. Also kids lost respect for teachers centuries ago and majority go to school cause have no choice.
"They go to school because they have no choice." You said it yourself. The government forces them to go to school with the threat of jail and/or fines. Why should we allow these problem students to ruin it for the kids that want to learn. I'm not saying they shouldn't go to school period but that maybe schools aren't the best option for these kids. Don't get me wrong, learning and education are critical. But there are people who didn't finish high school but ended up being successful. They still had an education. Just not in a state sanctioned school.
Reducing requirements to be a teacher makes me angry. I got a BA and a Master's to teach which took me 6 years and a lot of money. Pay teachers a living wage, give teachers agency (ability to determine materials used to teach and pacing of instruction), remove students from the classroom who are more than 3 academic years below grade level for placement into remedial classes, and reduce the amount of standardized testing. We lose 6 weeks per year to various standardized tests which all show the same result. Also increase school security. So many parents are terrible Karens or street bullies. Zero tolerance for student misbehavior. If a child can't behave at school they should be expelled and become the parent's problem. Retiring soon thank God.
It's not just pay. It is about respect and support. Teachers reached their breaking point during and after the pandemic. The real question is who benifits from teacher shortages? Not teachers, students, or school districts. Interesting that many lawmakers who set pay and make policy are the only stakeholders that are anti-public schools. Interesting that the only people who have a reason to want to see public schools fail are the people who make laws that dictate what teachers do, set teacher pay, and controle school funding.
@@plusorminusandtime I said it isn't JUST ABOUT PAY. I am one of the lowest paid teachers in the nation. Of course it is about pay, BUT there are lots of other reasons that a pay increase alone will not fix. Every single teacher I know who has left this profession has left for reasons other than pay, but gone to jobs that ended up paying more.
@@plusorminusandtime @ Raymond even 65,000 or 70,000 starting out with 100,000 for 5 years and up! Teachers are certainly worth that and MORE like the 100,000 starting range NO EXAGGERATION. No other profession NONE OTHER underpays or devalues higher education like the teaching profession having a Master's degree equals 20 to 50 bucks a check after taxes in Texas ridonkulous ( yes, know how to spell it correctly) start with PAY then iron and weed out the rest!!!
We spend far more on "education" than any other country on Earth. The problem isn't the investment, the problem is that the investment is handled by the govt.
@@OleLockAndKey I disagree. Here in Colorado whenever there is a ballot imitative to raise funding for education it rarely is voted into law. People hear increased property taxes and vote no, meanwhile they are also voting no on the future. It seems to me that education ought to be as important as anything, yet schools can't afford to adequately staff, supply and educate our children. I just don't understand the resistance to taking care of ourselves.
I just got hired as a Spanish teacher in Wisconsin. I hold three licenses, Spanish, ESL and bilingual bicultural license. I'm exactly 1hr away from Madison. Decided on going to another district because they offered a little bit more. But I still have spent $2,000 out of my own money to make my classroom environment welcoming and for materials. I'm scared because of the work load that I know is to come. When I was student teaching BY MYSELF because my wonderful teacher was on maternity leave, they took my one hour prep away to cover for another teacher!! This isn't even supposed to happen as a student teacher & they did it! Teachers are definitely underpaid and currently overworked. Preps are being taken away and recognized with pizza parties here and there. It was always my dream to be a teacher just like my mom. But unlike my mom, who taught in a different country where teachers are actually valued, respected and paid well. I'm here following this dream knowing I'll be overworked and underpaid. Let's see how long I last. 🤞
Sad to say but new teachers aka low man on the totem pole get abused. They are given the students and classes no one else wants to teach. They may be bullied into giving up their planning period. Veteran teachers will say no and mean it.
These are very nice, professional men; however, neither of them are addressing the real issues of why teachers are leaving for fear of causing a backlash. As always, the focus is on pay because that is the “safe” and “easy” fix, but you need to read between the lines. Yes, the pay isn’t great compared to other careers with similar educational requirements, but that has ALWAYS been the case, so why are we experiencing shortages now? Why are shortages not seen in more affluent areas (which, despite his denouncement, holds true)? It’s not as if teachers in the same county receive more money if they teach in the children living in the suburbs versus rural or urban outcroppings. It’s all about the work environment, specifically with regards to a lack of accountability and behavior.
Teaching is a lot of stress, your given inadequate resources, and blamed for everything. And add to that more and more losers having little monsters with little no parental upbringing, and the cherry on top pay that hasn't kept up with the cost of living...oh and now gum violence..
It's a combination of issues. Disrespect from students, parents and administrators. Crazy insane workload. If you are teacher you have no life outside of teaching. Unless on breaks (even during breaks there are seminars and workshops to attend) and some districts have issues with pay as well. Pay issue is variable but Disrespect issue and workload issue is across the board. Honesty workload issue won't be bad if they were paid like doctors or lawyers. They work like those professions but don't get paid like doctors or lawyers.
I love how the only solution they can think of is cutting school days and hours rather than addressing the root cause of the issue in the first place. This is why learning problem solving is important, because little children become grown as adults to be trusted with solving big issues.
I went to school for 13 years and then decided to attend community College. Took placement tests and realized I was behind in math and English so I had to pay for 5 prerequisite classes to get me caught up.
Hey I have an idea: how about paying teachers 100K+ a year - you’ll solve this almost instantly! I hear your thumbs clicking - Not a feasible solution you type! It is!! A country can spend hundreds of billions on military spending but not on its education system!
Exxxxaactly. The freaking work load, pressure and stress can ONLY be ok if I don't ALSO have to stress about my home budget. WHY AREN'T THEY TALKING ABOUT THIS. It is such a duh idea.
Yep. It's sad that a teacher doesn't make enough to pay for a quality vacation when off on vacation. Teachers educate people's children and can not afford to send their own kids to school. Then to top it off, teachers pay state taxes towards their own paychecks.
I see the teacher bashers are quiet. I teach in a building with 3,000 students. During the summer 20 teachers resigned as did the principal. We currently have an interim principal who doesn't want the job. Not one person applied. Low pay is not the only reason teachers are quitting or retiring early. Let me sum it up like this: Student misbehavior, lack of student accountability, poor leadership, hatred and contempt towards teachers, crazy liberal policies forced on us in curriculum, and an ever increasing workload ( 20 hours worth of work taken home).
The number of teachers retiring has increased enormously. That alone tells you it's not about pay. More money is always nice, but it's not what is going to keep teachers in the classroom. They have to figure out how to make the working conditions more sustainable. And teachers need to be included in any planning that goes on towards that goal.
I'm trying to get hired as a teacher, and it's a special level of chaos. On another note, my sister is leaving the teaching profession after 10 years to take a job that pays less. But at least her new job will let her use her master's degree in Public Health. My poor sister was reported to the school board for teaching evolution... Which is in the curriculum. And a student was recording her, trying to get her fired. The culture war is just awful. The goal is to ruin public school, and it's working. Lastly, my mom works as an admin. She is so ready for her retirement. They had her take on teaching special education on top of her regular jobs. Shes working herself into an early grave, and I wish she would just stop.
I will never forget when my grandfather retired in late 90’s - early 2000’s As a high school assistant principal and mathematics educator . He was called back in the school system and worked 5 more years then worked part time tutoring middle school kids to prepare them for state testing. It was about 10 former teacher called back during this timeframe to help. He also before officially stepping away worked for the local college as an advisor and program lead . It’s a shortage for sure. Praying for our educators
This is more understandable than ever. I used to Substitute, and in the best of circumstances we were treated very poorly, by the regular teachers. When I was doing that, fully 40% of the regular teachers were substitutes. THINK ABOUT IT: most of your kids’ teachers have no idea how to be a teacher. It is not like a theoretical job, like politician. Teachers need degrees in education and experience. As a degreed substitute (my degrees are psychology, and I hold a master), I felt lost. I cannot imagine how lost someone without a degree will feel. Add to that the genuine threat from mass-shootings, and obvious incompetence in protecting children and teachers…
Teachers are the forefront of education, without them we don't have doctors, engineers, or any of the "important jobs". Teaching standards have to be raised and compensated as such, people would be more apt to teach if pay was higher and if the benefits actually helped them.
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. That's equivalent to $85,000 annually if they worked 12 months with the equivalent holiday package that most everyone gets. They also get their benefits, pensions, and pension benefits. If they want to make more money, they can work for three months EVERY YEAR ....which some do. .
There needs to be discipline and respect from students and cooperation from parents, computers have nothing to do with the chaos that has ensued lately.
One of the teachers on here said it's the parents and behavior problems. Seeing how kids act in the class, we kind of get a glimmer of society, and it's hard to see year after year. Teachers get PTSD too.
I left the profession earlier this year after 11 years and currently a dishwasher for a Ski Resort and I am making more money bi-weekly with more time (I don’t have or need to bring my work home 😁) and less STRESS / ANXIETIES. I thank GOD everyday for this opportunity and blessing he has provided me. I enjoy waking up every morning and go to bed at night feeling at peace.
I left teaching because I just couldn’t work for another (because there were multiple) bully principals. I absolutely love teaching but couldn’t do it under bad leadership anymore.
Just retired after 26 years from public. Admin is not the one to ask. Ask a teacher. Pay is low, student discipline and work ethic are gone, no support from admin or parents, constant testing and benchmark tests to rate students, and retirement pay is not that great. Yes, we do not do it for the money but we need to buy a house, send our kids to university, and retire not on welfare. We need a GI Bill for teachers that pays for their education if they spend 10 years in public school, we need low cost home loans for teachers, and we should be allowed to send teacher's kids to state university at a sharp discount. This will help but if the parents do not send their kids to school well behaved and ready to work hard and admin does not respect the teacher as a professional then the pay will not hold young people in teaching for long.
After 20 years of teaching in an inner city school, I'm getting out. I have nothing left. Teachers are expected to do so much more than teach - we're now being asked to "parent". First, the parents that we have to deal with (assuming they answer their phones or show up for parent teacher conferences) are rude, demanding, and always looking for an excuse to put the blame for their failing insolent children on the teacher. My heart breaks when I see my children hurt, neglected and not given the love they deserve. Second, the politically motivated assessment process is time consuming and VERY unproductive since it takes away most teaching time. Ask any teacher and they'll tell you they just want to teach.
When I got laid off from ESL with my college educator experience & MFA, I thought I'd help by applying to sub or consider a high school career. It was ridiculously hard...more requirements & more college & more student loans. No, thank you! My daughter just graduated college at 20 & I was worried when she said she's thinking of being a teacher. I told her I don't feel teachers are respected in our society & I don't want to see her as poor as I am as a college educator & dealing with such a difficult job. It would have been so cool to be proud of her for wanting to help educate people, but I couldn't feel happy about it.
I get it! I have six years experience teaching ESL and three years experience adjuncting college credit pre-engineering courses to high school students. Think I could get a teaching job with all that experience in this country just a few years ago without a masters? No. Now, I could probably easily get a teaching job as my state has a lot of open positions. Sorry, not sorry, but that ship has sailed. I make a livable salary at a job where I am respected. I don’t work nights unless I want to. I never work weekends. I have good benefits, including profit sharing and free lunch Fridays. When it’s excessively hot we usually go home early. I don’t have to watch what I say. I can dye my hair any color (currently green). I can listen to anything I want on my work provided mobile all day. Prior to the pandemic, we had awesome company parties twice a year. The company actually listens to employee suggestions and institutes policy changes because (I know it’s crazy) they want us to stay with the company for a long time. I received both loyalty and cost of inflation raises within the last year. Our medical insurance costs have remained the same for the last four years, except this year are prescriptions are supposed to cost a bit less. I work in a male dominated industry, being the only female in my satellite location and am treated with an amount of respect I never dreamed of as an adjunct teacher of high school students. When there are good jobs like mine out there, who the eff would want to go into teaching?
@@shellipayne-patterson5314 Whole that’s noble on this day and age, crushing your child’s dreams, even if you are correct, is incredibly emotionally traumatizing and damaging, and leads to both trust and rejection issues down the line. He’ll learn it in his own time.
@@adeleennis2255 That sounds like a dream, what is the business called? I'm looking to switch careers myself as teaching is super stressful and restrictive. I'm checking out tech jobs (IT).
You get what you ask for. I tried TWICE to become a teacher at the grade 7-12 level, and I was disrespected by _everybody_ . I think the consensus was, "This guy actually wants to teach, we just need a mindless babysitter/obedient automaton. Let's send him on his way." And so they did, and now I just laugh at these "teacher shortage" reports. Let this system burn, it has nothing to do with education anyway.
It’s going to get to the point of just hiring anyone off the streets to teach, no license or credentials, don’t know the content. the blind leading the blind, but again it doesn’t matter, the government don’t treat public schools as academics institution instead as child care babysitting centers. So whether having credentialed license teacher don’t matter. Schools are just a place to house the kid temporarily while the parent goes to work. It’s like free child care and babysitting for the parent. And parent has the audacity to think they can demand things when they are not even paying for their free child care service. No humbleness and appreciation for services given to them for free.
@ JJ CEXACTLY what school is it was better in the 50's, 60's, 70's 80's 90's but 2000's fast decline today? Forget about it those standards you mentioned are currently in place for subs which are in classrooms and buildings more than the qualified professionals so, TO A T what you've described is what's going on!!!
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 Maybe after 911, the fabric of American society changed. In other words, the war on terror paradigm led to government expansion in many areas including schools, i.e standardized testing, no child left behind, common core, etc... Societal decay also has led to decline in parenting. Also, Hollywood, video games, music, smart phones, social media, etc.. have eroded morals. People can make fun of "Satanic Panic" all they want but I believe that media consumption has had an enormous negative influence on society as a whole.
They know exactly why teachers are leaving and for the shortage. Teachers have always voiced issues in the classroom and majority of the time it's "them" the administrators that are the issue. Teaching is very rewarding when you see growth in your scholars. It's hard to sit back and watch adults select their favorites and give those kids more opportunities. It's not equity in resources or opportunities in your own school because of ADULTS. At the same time, you're scared of these children. Take a page out of these other countries and boss up in order to train our children in the way they should go. There are so many amazing teachers out here but they are so worn out mentally and emotionally. Shout out to ALL teachers putting up with Johnny bad a%^#&, his rude parents and the administrators that do nothing when Johnny sets your classroom on fire, punch another kid in the face and curse at you. You're the real MVP, GOAT.
My stepmom is a Spanish teacher in Florida and I remember a few times, I had to BUY SUPPLIES for her since the school had no funding and I donate all my art supplies to the students since I didn’t need them anymore it shocking what they don’t have in classroom like basic needs
All of the people who screamed "Oh, anybody can teach", should be running in to fill those vacancies. Hating teachers has been going on for at least 70 years.
Money is the place to start. Why are young people going to invest thousands to secure a teaching degree, only to get a position where they have to spend the rest of their lives scraping to pay for necessities. I had an administrator say to me, "Come on now. You knew when you went into teaching you were never going to be rich." This is true, but I never thought I would be living in poverty either. Who in their right mind would go to college, study and work hard, only to graduate and be qualified to live in poverty? We need to wake up!
Since the parents complain about what their kids are learning in school I'd like to see educated parents teach. Schools have turned into large babysitting facilities for parents who work And the parents who want to rest during the day to get a break from their own kids
They've turned into babysitting facilities partially because of the fundamental change in society where both parents have to work to keep up with the cost of living and don't have time to watch their kids during working hours. The steady decay of the economy over the decades has driven the cost of living steadily upward. Offshoring of American industries and other forms of corporate greed and excessive government regulation have led to this economic decay. Also, if teachers were teaching your children values that you strongly opposed, would you do nothing about it. However, I do agree that a lot of parents are irresponsible and lazy as well. They use schools as babysitting facs because they're lazy.
I would love to be a teacher but I looked into the cost of schooling and what my pay would be and I just couldn’t justify it. If it were easier to get a degree and certification then I would do it in a heartbeat
My daughter is an incredible teacher! How ever, she is considering changing careers. From poor wages, lack of funding for resources, poor administration, to the issues of school shootings and safety, she is frustrated. No teacher or student should have to feel unsafe at school! Why haven't we been vigilant about fixing that problem!?
Gee I wonder why states that making laws that make teaching harder. Are now having a hard time finding teachers. You don't say. Didn't see that coming. Oh wait....
My dad had a MS in biology and taught high school science. My mom has a MS in music performance and taught elementary music. I wanted to be a teacher too, but my dad warned me away. He gave plenty of horrific stories of his work environment back in the 1980s and 1990s, and it is MUCH worse now with disrespectful students, no support from the Administration, horrible workload, abusive parents, low pay, and difficult working conditions. I ended up getting my MS and worked as an environmental scientist for a Fortune 500 engineering firm for over 30 years, focusing on mentoring and technology transfer to younger scientists/engineers. So in a way I was a teacher.
If you don't reward and treat teachers with respect you are so done. Young people will not enter the profession. Then you pay these administrators massive amounts for... nothing ! All bs and the public school system is doomed...fools!
Families need to stop sending uncontrollable children to school. Do your part and parent. Teach them at home, it’s not only school’s job to teach. The school isn’t a daycare, teachers are there to teach not to babysit kids who can’t sit still and disturb the class. How many parents enforced learning at at during summer?? How are teachers supposed to move on to the next level if the kids forgot so many things and lived without any structures for months? I’m not a teacher but a parent of three children. People look at me like I have three eyes because I made our kids learn 1-2 hours a day during summer. How did we get to this point? Everytime I hear “Oh because you are Asian”.. no, because I’m doing my part to let the teachers teach. Teachers are human too, they have a limit on how much they can take.
If you wanna know about why teachers are gone, you don’t ask the freaking superintendents. You ask
someone who is in the classroom.
Superintendents in Los Angeles Unified were rewarding principals who would get rid of teachers with the most years of experience in order to save on pensions and benefits.
@@truther001 yup, I’m the poster girl for that move. Sped teachers aren’t cost efficient. They’ve been pushing out master level highly qualified and experienced teachers for years. We are replaced by warm bodies on waivers.
@@truther001 that messed up.
Preach!
That is exactly what I was thinking! It seems pretty obvious. If you want to know why teachers are leaving; ask them and act to fix the reasons people are leaving. These measures are only validating that those in charge of education do not value educators (and in some cases are openly resentful) and further leads to the de-professionalization of our profession. These measures will hurt a generation of kids.
Very few news pieces cover how disrespectful students and parents play a big role in why teachers leave. Parents need to parent their children, and not expect the school to do everything, and then complain when a teacher says how disruptive their child is, and that they're not doing well academically. STEP UP TO BEING A RESPONSIBLE PARENT!!
Good luck with that. The whole idea is for them to take over all those roles that were once done by parents.
Preach Jill!!! People are too afraid to say it out loud and it's top of conversation in our staff meetings. Certain parents spend all their time and energy fighting the district and the school but kids are still failing and parents are not making students accountable for their part in education.
The reasons above are why I left the profession in 2018. I grew weary of my students’ poor behavior being excused by their parents. And, the students rarely came to class prepared to learn. However, they always had their cell phones.
Agreed they like to skim over the fact that kids ( not all ) are monsters now
Teachers make miracles everyday! Most parents expect teachers to pull out a magic 🪄 wand and abbra cadabra total transformation of problematic students. Often times, parents of “these” students project (everything that’s wrong in their lives, circumstances, situations etc)on the teacher. I’ve seen students with such potential…. Ufff I get too emotional , diminished by their circumstances. It’s a profession that requires a lot of “hats”. And don’t get me started on Administration!
It's not just the low pay, but low funding for schools overall. There needs to be educational assistants, security, nurses, librarians, counselors, custodians, kitchen staff, technology support... the list is overwhelming. Every time support staff is cut, teachers are picking up the slack.
This is very true. And don't forget about substitute teachers. It's really hard when classes have to make space for more kids when you're already carrying a heavy roster.
@@NYCAppl3 💯 overloaded classes adversely affects teaching & learning.
Sorry we gotta cut education, and build more weapons
It does not surprise me that Texas and Florida, two states that currently have high state interference with teaching in the classroom, are having trouble hiring. You ban books and pay low and tell teachers what they can and can’t say, and, surprise! They leave.
I agree causing some burn outs
I’ve been a teacher for 25 years. Honestly it’s not really the pay that’s so bad especially if you love it. We have good benefits and retirement plans. I would NOT recommend teaching because of all work they keep piling on us. Pressure to get the scores up, differentiate instruction to many levels of students while giving them a one size fits all test, many tests/assessments throughout the year, student behavior and disrespect to the profession, politicized agendas, socioemotional learning, fear of getting shot/the idea of giving teachers guns, pushing political agendas that many teachers don’t believe in, get blamed for everything. The lastest one is they will push is called inclusion where they will bring in special needs students with moderate/severe disability to the regular Ed classrooms. Pretty much dismantle special day classes. I am currently an out of the classroom teacher. I will quit before I get sent back to the classroom. There are other professions out there, teaching is too stressful and not worth it. My district is offering $5000 bonus to new recruits BUT they’ll give it to you in 3 years. WTF is that? That equals to about $80 a month after taxes. What a joke!
If the pay were that good, a lot more teachers would find all that you described somewhat "worth it."
Exactly, they pile on more work every year but you're at starting salary 15 yrs later regardless of your experience and added two masters degree. No way to make more but to leave!!!
Inclusion is hurting more than it helps.
@ChocolateSyrupOverdose You cannot have a criminal record.
That is a big turn off for some districts.
Other districts will hire you as long as you are honest about your past.
I wish you well.
@@bradspringer2372 Inclusion is burning out teachers. They should rotate the teachers who deal with the inclusion class. Sometimes its the same teacher year after year.
Our school has 1 teacher per grade level that does inclusion. The population of our school has supportive parents and lots of paras and volunteers, and that helps.
I remember my teachers going on strike 20 years ago for pay, benefits, support, supplies, and basic respect. Teachers love their students so they've held on as long as they could. What we're seeing now is what happens when you ignore their needs and instead demand more from them. My family has decided to homeschool because even the best teachers are being handicapped by test score obsessed administrations, entitled parents and violent students.
It’s crazy that just a few years ago, homeschooling was primarily about a Christian education. Now public schools are instituting policies based on Christian Right fear and parents are homeschooling to give their kids what used to be available in public school, a secular education not influenced by any one religion.
Me too, that was CA, back in the 80s.
Amen.
I used to teach in a public school. The schools are all about equity. The standards expected out of students were different based on the socioeconomic groups of the students. When equal outcomes are expected, the skills are typically equally low. After all, you can't leave any student behind. Just lower the standards until everyone passes.
They outlawed striking in Michigan. Then they took away the right of the Unions to bargain *anything* except compensation. Then the State passed a law stating that the last, best contract offer by the school district WOULD BE implemented no matter if the Union (that is, we the union/group together) of teachers voted to accept the offer -- OR NOT. Then the State took away part of everyone's retirement benefits earned from that point forward. Then new hires got worse retirement benefits offered to them and couldn't even access the traditional retirement benefit. Then the State passed a law limiting how much the districts could pay towards health insurance/benefits so coverage got worse, deductibles got higher and co-pays got higher meaning that teachers, effectively, got paid EVEN LESS in compensation. So, as you say, after the last 20+ years of sustained Republican attacks on education funding and respect (aided and abetted by Obama's "Race to the Top" no-child-left-behind-lite) and a deranged focus on test scores rather than the young humans in front of us, teachers voted with the last vote & last right the Republicans couldn't take away -- the right to vote with our feet and walk away. And our youth SAW all this happening, looked at the cost of earning a teaching degree vs the compensation (😂) once teaching and NOPED the heck out. They see teachers being bashed by politicians and, for many, by their own parents. Who's going to go into a disrespected profession that's expensive to enter and poorly paid?!? (Not enough, apparently. Good luck, USA. "We out.")
I'm a teacher and I stepped down because being micromanaged the way we are is the worse. The workload gets heavier and heavier which means no time for your own personal life. The disrespect from the parents that admin allows. The pay. There should be less government influence in the classroom because political figures be making the rules and have never been in front of a classroom before. Districts getting rid of special education to merge students in regular classrooms knowing that these students need special attention. It's more than just money It's more about respecting the profession and allowing teachers to use their own methods. The curriculum is not picked by teachers and it shows. Standardized testing should be removed. Students need less class time and not having so many subjects in one day especially at the elementary level...I could go on and on! I could write a book!
I was a school social worker, teachers are bullied and stretched and trampled on. HAWAII & SO CAL
Arizona anyone????
Disagree on one point: I don't think we get rid of standardized testing. I think it needs to be nationally streamlined and proper curriculum created for it. And not 1 curriculum but like 15 or 25 different curriculum for each set of requirements. And then the main thing is that it should be standardized to where it is less than half of the year you are teaching this curriculum, maybe even only 1/3 of the year, and then the biggest thing is kids should be the ones held accountable for their learning, not teachers (for the most part). If they are not at grade level they should be held back, and we need to 100% recalibrate the metrics for how teachers and schools are evaluated.
Why are we punished because some kid refuses to do any work all year and is constantly disruptive?
I could go on... I know it is a complicated point I am trying to make so it may not be completely clear where I am coming from but I don't think we get anywhere by abolishing standards, but we seriously need to change how they are assessed
Amen. Exactly.
I have been a teaching for 11 years and everything she said is true.
They're doing everything except raising pay and giving better benefits, wow
If your business does not raise pay it deserves to go under
@@tomr6866 ...keyword "business". Our education system should not be treated like a business. It should not be allowed to go under. Our government would not even let private banks, car manufacturers and airlines go under. Investing in our education system is a valuable investment for our country's future. Therefore, teachers should get the same benefits as other important public services.
Oh God forbid we encourage Teachers Unions and higher pay and benefits
@@trevorstine8647 priorities
@@trevorstine8647 It is a business bc you have employees and not volunteers. Plz tell me in what other career do you get paid the same salary 15 yrs into it? Hence, still at starting salary.
Kids deserve to a have a teacher that is highly qualified. As much as I respect a veteran, that does not make them qualified to teach. Give people a reason to want to become teachers.
1. Starting pay needs to be high
2. Better medical benefits
3. Increase pay accross the board to all teachers.
4. Actually hold kids accountable for their behavior.
5. Eliminate standarized testing
6. Provide real change in gun legislation so teachers feel safe.
7. Stop bringing wacko legislations.
8. Deffer student loans. Loan forgiveness for teacher in return of years of teaching.
@ Mr. Osuna AMEN
However, you fill out one blank or tick one box wrong on that application expect to start the whole process over. It’s happened to too many friends. They put in their time only to find out something went wrong, which they were not informed of, and they don’t qualify for forgiveness.
I agree!
@Mr.Osuna’s Mathematics Channel Yo what’s up. I’m a former student from the online year, crazy that somehow I found you in a comment section on TH-cam. I hope teachers get treated better and that you’re doing good. Know that you were one of my good teachers, always looked forward to your class.
@@Esock114 Hi Issac!! Hope things are going well!!
Let's see; low wages, miniscule signing bonuses, long hours, interference by special interest groups, Karen and Ken parents, school shootings.
Karen and Ken parents are there worst
Facts!!
@@asiam1528 I hear that and unsupportive admins are the biggest reasons why teachers quit.
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. That's equivalent to $85,000 annually if they worked 12 months with the equivalent holiday package that most everyone gets. They also get their benefits, pensions, and pension benefits.
If they want to make more money, they can work for three months EVERY YEAR ....which some do.
It’s been going on for a while now; no one was paying attention. Then, it just got worse and worse. I was teaching at a university and I was on public assistance. That is the biggest crime! Many of my colleagues had second jobs. I had two small children, so I couldn’t. I finally left and went to Asia. This is where all the good teachers have gone -if you were wondering. We get paid very well. We were completely taken care of during the pandemic and fully paid. And we never have to worry about school shootings.
I see in Dubai the yearly salary can be 60k and they cover your housing.
When you say Asia , can you be more specific?
@@deepinthestreets5351 China
@@deepinthestreets5351 I currently live in China, but before this I lived in Thailand. I have friends who are doing well in Korea, Japan and Viet Nam too.
@@ryncricket2001 I assume a teacher must be flluent in the native language, depending on the host country?
No one is concerned, or there would be more comments and views. As a teacher, I have watched all of these videos in dismay that no parents seem to care that their children are not getting educated. Or are they? Are they going to e-academys? Private schools? Charter schools? I know teachers are getting tired of teaching disrespectful brats and administrations.
Believe me...they are worried...Most unappreciated profession is teaching their troubled kids and dealing with their threats. Parents should be ashamed of themselves.
R. Jelly,
Love your last statement !
I finished my 5 years teaching and decided to stop teaching a year in the U.S. (for now) to be a ... spoiled brat to my parents haha... I can be a spoiled brat, too haha...
Because the parents that care are sending their kids to good schools,or private schools, or homeschool....it's just the challenged adults keeping their kids in school and they themselves are often trashy...so they don't care what kind of education Thier kids are getting.
@@om-nj2hw that's not true. A lot of parents can't afford to move or send their kids to another school. And only a fraction of parents make competent homeschool teachers.
True, if this truly WAS a concern, pay and benefits would be increased, supports would be unlimited, and teachers would have protection from violent students and abusive parents. None of that will happen any time soon. Our society has NO RESPECT for teachers.
One year my sister was mad because her job in private industry lowered her year end bonus from 50k to 20k. She asked me what I got for my year end bonus. My principal had given everyone a miniature candy cane in our mailboxes.
Hahahaha! This is such a REAL statement.
Sad but true!
You aren’t the only ones.
Can't pay bills with candy!!!!
Or a pizza party lol
So I do appreciate the focus but to be honest this didn't just happen. The pandemic may have expedited teacher leakage but it was already happening. Funding has always been an issue, lack of admin support, mass school shootings, parents not being supportive and in a lot of instances hostile or dangerous, new legislative restrictions that have nothing to do with education but driven by fear and ignorance. All of that needs to be looked at and I am sure I am missing a lot. I am not a teacher but like to think I am an advocate.
Very well explained! You express yourself as someone who is in the teaching profession. And yes you are right, it did not just happen. The pandemic made so many educators reevaluate career choices and how much more they were willing to put up with. Educators are overwhelmed, overworked, not valued nor respected, underpaid, with ridiculous pensions, and now asking themselves, "Are my students safe at school? Am I safe at school? Are we next?"
@@nancy4980 Thank you for that, I just hope they can finally get the help they need. Stay safe and be well.
I'm going to add that schools and teachers are also constantly being expected to do more. We aren't just responsible for educating kids anymore, but are expected to take care of most aspects of their well-being.
I've only been teaching for 3 years, but every year I have had extra duties added (from the state level). This year I am literally taking time out of science class to teach things like how to make friends. I love my job, but a quarter of this stuff really shouldn't be my job.
(And it would also be really nice to be paid enough that I could afford rent without a roommate.)
yep, that's what some people dont get, this has been going on for decades
It's the same thing happening in Jamaica teachers earn $167.67 after tax and the Minister Of Education has turned a blind eye to this situation
There is a shortage of appropriate compensation, respect and allowing teachers to actually teach.
They’re compensated just fine
@@asawhitemanidjustliketosayobviously your teacher wasn’t compensated enough. Had they been, they would have taught you to end your sentence with punctuation. Carry on!
@@dmercury292 ouch.,!?
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. That's equivalent to $85,000 annually if they worked 12 months with the equivalent holiday package that most everyone gets. They also get their benefits, pensions, and pension benefits.
If they want to make more money, they can work for three months EVERY YEAR ....which some do.
"RESPECT" is something that is not handed out. It is something that is EARNED.
Teachers aren't "allowed" to teach .....they are EXPECTED to teach. If they don't teach then they shouldn't be a teacher.
It sounds like you are quite clueless
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Why would anyone want to be a teacher in todays society? There's no more saving a kid. The student loans are never forgiven leading to a life of destitution when someone served the public honorably at a reduced pay!!!
Plenty of states pay your loans if you teach in state. They're still underpaid though.
@@veganpotterthevegan you have to teach at low income schools the 1st years to qualify for partial repayments and sadly NO ONE or not enough people male this known. If you don't initially you're later disqualified
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 depends on the state and so what with teaching at low income schools? Those are the schools that need the help the most
@@veganpotterthevegan absolutely nothing wrong with it. 👍👍🏾I'm saying that word needs to get out that these programs exist when you're a new teacher graduating no one makes the
the information known. knowing makes all the difference 💯
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 anyone going to school for an education degree certainly knows. And I know most of the teachers I had in HS brought it up. I very likely would have done it myself had I not had an athletic scholarship with no ability to pay for school
Alabama's and Florida's "fixes" are embarrassing and shows that they don't respect what teachers do.
Agreed.
Florida, Georgia, and Texas need to keep politics out of schools, especially Florida!!
Or they can do like California where they hire less experience teachers to save money....making more experience teachers out of the picture
Southern states! What can you expect? Northern schools have historically been far superior to Southern schools! Thank God I taught in the North! 37 years / Special Education ! 31 years at the Preschool level! I miss the children but not the constant stress, State testing requirements, paperwork , endless useless Staff Meetings!
@@marcyanderson4268 they’re focused on banning books about black and Asian people 😂
I have been a teacher for 23 years and it’s not just the money…it’s the respect from society….I am close to retirement so I stay but if I could leave I would…
I hear you
The disrespect is my problem and I have been doing this for 5 years now and have siblings still in middle and high school…teaching is a joke to people nowadays and parents talk bad about their kids’ teacher right in front of them and then guess what happens when they go to school…? I have literally seen it happen before my eyes this past year.
You DO NOT GET HANDED RESPECT. NO ONE DOES ......YOU EARN IT.
If you find you are not getting any respect .........LOOK IN A MIRROR.
The truth of the matter is most obviously clear. There is no way you or any other teacher would EVER tell the truth. An average salary in the U.S. of $63,645 annually, with benefits, pension, and pension benefits .....and an AUTOMATIC THREE MONTHS VACATION THROUGHOUT THE CAREER is light years ahead of any other occupation. If any teacher doesn't think so, then they should NOT be getting into this occupation in the first place.
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@@taxicamel being a classroom teacher would change your perspective completely
@@taxicamel aaaannnddd we have a winner for “dumbest comment of the day.”
Dealing with these disrespectful kids!Nobody has time for that!
The parent are a huge parent nobody thinks their kids do anything the students know they have the advantage!
A terrible dilemma of our times, Teachers should be paid what they are worth and that's alot. It's a shame that standards for teaching positions are being lowered as this has negative effects but I suppose it's better than nothing.
Lowering standards and hiring non qualified vets just shows that these dumb politicians see teachers as glorified babysitters. And I bet their districts don't have shortages and they would never accept these compromises.
More pay is not going to fix the problem. Some may stay with more pay, but there are too many ills of society, and too many demands on teachers. The job in urban education is impossible to do without huge stress, and it is not worth it.
Provide more support to the teachers. Increase the pay. Also many teachers aren't allowed to teach because they are not vaccinated for covid.
Weren't the vaccine mandates the main reason for the overall worker shortage (not just the teachers).? Why this reason is never mentioned as even being one of the main reasons? ?
By better than nothing do you mean ‘ no free babysitter for the nations children so everyone else in the country can go to work child stress free and make a decent wage ‘ because that’s what it is . Babysitting . In many states they are recruiting foreigners from many countries to come live in America and teach . Because even the undereducated Americans who are now able to be a classroom teacher won’t take the job - why? They make more working at amazing or Costco with far less legal liability and responsibility .
As a dual & special Ed teacher I want to say the following working at a title I school
1. We are exhausted
2. We are PROFESSIONALS having to fund our classrooms
3. We can’t afford homes
4. We live in a cycle of STRESS
I love what I do but it’s disheartening when the same thing you love creates havoc in your life. The conditions have had multiple people quit. #8yearsteaching #GWU2022
Lawmakers' salaries should be what teachers make and teachers' salaries should be what the lawmakers make.
@Rspen ALLELUIA
That is so true. Lawmakers shouldn't get paid that much even though thru have a law degree.
@@Melbester9 you don’t have to have a law degree. There are plenty of politicians at the state level that just have a HS Diploma or GED. It’s rare but it happens. They use those connections and take bribes. Most politicians elected come in making next to nothing and leave millionaires. We need to fix the system.
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Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. Then there are the benefits, pensions, and pension benefits.
What "lawmaker" gets THREE MONTHS HOLIDAYS FROM DAY ONE, FOR THE REST OF THEIR WORKING TERM?
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Glad to see teachers are standing up for themselves and leaving the profession.
Where were these teachers when students and parents needed them to stand up to their unions and superintendents on behalf during the school closures and distance learning? Sure could have used their help, voices, and passions to re-open schools and save a lot of kids from mental health struggles. Sorry. Don't have a whole lot of sympathy for them, too often.
You don't need to call this a "profession". It is a UNIONIZED industry that includes salaries, benefits, pensions, and pension benefits.
Those that are leaving have their own reasons .....which is their choice. They know they can't do the job or no longer want to do the job ....that provides THREE MONTHS OF HOLIDAYS FROM DAY ONE ....FOR THE REST OF THEIR WORK TERM.
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@@catherinepeters4910 teachers were teaching during pandemic and stepped in the classroom when they reopened. Teaching all day with mask on. This is the type of disrespect that causes teacher shortage. People just coming up with bs to attack teachers.
@@34roberees We had virtual learning, but many kids did not do the work.
@@taxicamel What are you even talking about? Teachers don’t get paid for the three months off. Our contract only covers 9 months of the year and they take out money out of our paycheck to cover the other months we don’t work. So we only receive half the money we usually get paid, and not enough to cover expenses. You’re talking about something you don’t understand and it’s that sort of ignorance that are making teacher leave. Teachers that are fit and trained are leaving the classroom, but I guess you’re naive to see that.
They are literally doing everything besides giving teachers higher pay…
Time students were taught by parents to respect teachers.
I would say they are doing nothing, including not raising pay....
There’s no money.. higher ups steal it all
Don’t interview just admins. Interview, ya know, TEACHERS!
The academic ivory tower is clueless. I have never had a superintendent do anything to help me in the classroom, only hinder me. They do advocate pay raises for teachers... that usually corresponds to them getting a bigger raise.
After the Uvalde incident who would want to be a teacher?
Probably more 7-11 clerks are shot and yet there’s no shortage of them
@@sgt.gruhnn that says quite a lot🧐
And go back to school?
In one of my teaching assignments (back in the day, over 15 years ago), my classroom had 35 desks. The incompetent counselors assigned 45 kids for my period 2 class. Four kids could sit on the chairs next to the computers, but they didn't have desk space. The rest had to sit on top of the cabinets in the back of the room. Good thing the fire marshal never came to check the room.
Leaving the teaching profession was the _BEST_ decision I've made in my life.
@Lp78Ch I doubt it was a "mistake" they try that now and most states limit is 33 you go over that or allow yourself to be pushed over it an something happens the liability is on you & your certificate on the line.
Omg!! My sons 1st grade teacher was overwhelmed with 30 students last year. She finally got a TA later in the year
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 You have to realize it's one of those "immigrant" school districts where student enrollment fluctuated quite severely from year to year. The kids were quite pleasant, though. Many hardworking kids, and even the troublemakers weren't _that_ bad. My students told me that the gang kids wouldn't even show up to school, so I was left to deal with the "normal" kids.
It was the inept administration (all the way up to the district level) that pushed me over the edge.
As far as middle and high school, Texas does not have a limit on the number of students assigned per classroom.
@@cl9315 That really stinks. I wonder what your classes will be like this year?
29 years teaching: Why are we quitting the reasons are vast but in Texas here are a FEW, 1. Rules from the ivory tower. ONE EXAMPLE: timing ever second of your day and what you have to do (This is literal) surprise not every class is the same some need more time to get things learnt (shocking right). 2 Mastery, getting students where they ACTUALY know what is being taught. When you change objectives every 4 ish days they have no hope. 3 Money for staff to support and make class sizes smaller, salary's etc. YES the US military is important BUT $754 billion !?? YA that's a problem a big one. Try putting 200 billion of that into education and you get a lot more from it. Stop electing rich idiots and elect smart ordinary people who care.
I wouldn’t say that they’re rich idiots I would say they know what they’re doing so they’re choosing the option that gives them more money
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You guys have Abbott and I have DeSantis. Abbott is just an incompetent imbecile. DeSantis is actually a very smart man who uses his brain to radicalize people and create an extremely toxic political environment in Florida. I'd trade Abbott's incompetence any day over DeSantis's pure evil.
Sadly in none of the schools true spiritual education and wisdom is not being taught ;(
such horrible issues are being caused due to lack of wisdom.
For the record, I actually left my teaching position for a job that pays exactly the same (would have liked to get higher paying, but no big deal...money wasn't my main reason for leaving anyway). It pays exactly the same, but is 1000 x less stressful, still in the field of education, 80% work from home (I go into the office just one day a week max, and have had many weeks of just complete work from home). I've been in the position for a year and a half now and have yet to have a bad day, which is an amazing streak of "no bad days" even compared to non-teaching jobs. While I was teaching high school, I had an average of 2-3 bad days per week. Leaving K to 12 teaching is self-care.
What is this dream job you are describing?
@@gracenotes930 I don’t want to state the title because I’m not saying this job title is a dream job. It isn’t necessarily. My particular position is laid back. And I don’t deal with kids, parents, or school admin, just professionals. So I don’t have bad days. Of course, even other “professionals” can be a headache. I just haven’t experienced it on any given day nearly enough to make the day bad. (Whereas with teaching high school, I was downright angry/frustrated/abused 2 to 3 days per week.) And…work from home is common. I’m not saying I have a dream job. I’m saying I have a much less stressful one that is work from home and pays me the same as what classroom teaching did.
@@Micro_Learning ....really ....you don't want to "state the title because I'm not saying this job title is a dream job.". Well that pretty well suggests your opening comment is close to being 100% BOGUS.
Well done. You spent more time "explaining" how "bad" or all the "negatives" you experienced .....yet your explanation about your new job isn't quite what all what you made it out to be.
It sounds more like you don't want any "challenges" in your work .....which means you identified you were doing something you should never have gotten into in the first place ....which is a good thing. The bonus part is you made the decision to get out and got out. Good on you!!!! But don't make the teaching job sound as bad, just because you couldn't handle the work. People who want to teach should already KNOW what they're getting into ......which is obviously not something many teachers have not done or know how to do.
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AMEN !!!
@@taxicamel yes, that is why teachers are quitting in droves
Free college for teachers and up that payroll!!! Our public schools are in outrageous disrepair, let's start spending some money our children!!!!
College should be tuition free for everyone. We shouldn't have the abysmally low standard of entry we have now though.
@@veganpotterthevegan Nothing like that is really "free". While you don't pay for it, other tax payers do.
@@useridcn your reading comprehension sucks. I'll gladly pay more taxes if it means you learn how to read at no expense to you.
@@useridcn so what’s? Eventually we all will work and pay these taxes back. Nothing is better than investing in our own. Granted not everyone will be successful but most will contribute back to society one way or another. Free tuition is good, if you don’t want to go then don’t but those who do should really have the option to.
@@Sosa22017 then take the loan. As a tax payer I don't want to pay a cent to your education.
And nasty parents … y’all can educate your own kids. Y’all wild.
Had a water bottle thrown at me by a tiny 7 year old.. it was the first day. Oh and I’m looking for a tutoring job so I can pay insurance
Sad insurance is ridiculously high
Yes, let’s treat them to low salaries and a total lack of respect from students, parents, admin, and politicians and then complain when no one wants to do the job. They are professionals! Try treating them like it and maybe they’ll stay in the profession. How politicians, people who haven’t set foot in a classroom as adults except as photo opps, became in charge of teaching materials and methods is beyond me.
Depends on what teaching materials you're talking about. But yes, students need to learn to be more respectful and need to be disciplined by their unruly parents.
I'm a teacher and I like my job, but we are blamed for everything. Student doesn't do well in school, it's the teacher's fault. Students are never held accountable and parents can be tyrants.
Being a second year teacher myself I’m debating career changes simply because of disrespectful students and parents. The addiction that kids have to their phones and tech in general has made teaching material impossible and teaching behavior the goal.
This sums it up pretty well !!!
Isn't teaching with tech the goal?
I find it troubling a teacher would be anti-tech.
My high school always taught us the latest tech. Nothing could be more important. It was integrated into every class, but especially math.
@@zenwilds2911 Im not anti tech. In fact, it’s how you succeed in work and school. But kids are beyond addicted TikTok/social media and it’s a fact that it’s a competition for their attention.
WHERE'S THE LOTTERY & MARIJUANA TAX MONEY BEEN GOING?? Definitely not going to schools, roads, or infrastructures!
The overload is horrific for teachers.
It's been ONE WEEK into the school year in Savannah, Georgia. TV station WJCL there is already reporting teacher exhaustion after the first four days of school due to oversized groups and being asked to sub for other classes on top of that during their planning time.
Man I thought it was bad in Arizona, 4 weeks in into the school year.
If they are serious about increasing the retention rate among teachers they need to pay these teachers a livable, wage otherwise they will pursue other higher paying jobs and things will go downhill if this is not corrected.
As a teacher, I can say that if you get admin who actually know what they are doing, a lot of problems will go away. Examples include disciplining students, backing teachers against parents who ALWAYS get their way, etc.
There should be a legal mandate that you must be an in classroom teacher for 10 years before becoming an administrator .
Those type administrators do exist, but they are as rare as hens teeth.
The pandemic gave a lot of people time to actually catch their breath. They looked around and realized they were qualified for other jobs that paid better, offered better working conditions, were less demanding both phycally and mentally, and were muchless stressful. Of course people left.
U got it...and not just for teachers!
U got it...and not just for teachers!
I left 11 years ago and never looked back. GOOD RIDDANCE!
I had 30 years in the classroom. I LOVED my actual job. I was planning to continue teaching, but chose to retire. I don't have enough space to list the reasons that I made that decision.
I call tell from your comment that you have a happy demeanor and probably got along naturally with most of your kids. Thanks for putting in 30 years for our kids!
It’s not the pandemic, pay, or benefits. It is the entire culture and atmosphere of the classroom now. You are not hired to teach, you are hired to push multiple agendas and to raise test scores. It is hard to feel like you are doing something meaningful when someone is pulling your strings.
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I left teaching in November 2020, 8 months after the pandemic started, but I started "looking for other work" just 3 months into it. My reasons were many, but a few of the main ones were kids being disrespectful, admin having a "sorry if you don't like it, but..." attitude about too many things, and just being burnt-out in general. All of this was brewing in me pre-pandemic, but got intensified quickly. Edited to add: About parent disrespect, I got that sometimes too, but more often the parents were outwardly very nice and seemingly deferential to teachers while still demanding that you give their kid a pass for everything, both behavior related & grades related. It's pretty pathetic, and having been a good student my whole life, I kinda look down on people trying to buy grades or strong-arm other people for grades. Pathetic.
I am from Honduras and applied to an exchange program to teach in the USA, I have 10 years of experience teaching science, I have a master's in teaching languages I am a painter, and Speak 5 languages even though the exchange program told me that I was not highly competitive to be part of the program however they told me that they would put my application on hold for the next year, but after watching thousands of videos of teachers quitting I think I will move on and to study another career! especially if the principal reason everyone is quitting is the behavior of the students.
It’s more than MONEY but start with MONEY. $50k is a joke. $75k+
50K is a good starting salary for college grads. No one graduating from college starts making a high salary. That's after years of experience, you make more from the job. You get a raise or you find another job that pays more.
@@Melbester9 Where are teachers making 50k as a starting salary? There are veteran teachers in my state that don’t make that.
@@adeleennis2255 It varies by state. Some states pay teachers more than others. In NY, teachers are paid decently. Usually it's $40-50K range starting. Teachers making less are either teaching Pre-Kindergarten/Elementary School. Middle and High School pays better.
@@Melbester9 I’m not saying it ain’t good but that’s the reason we are mostly losing teachers. A teacher has in most cases more education than an professional athlete. $50k is not far.
@@ThisLILT I can manage $50K a year but a lot of people can't. I would be a king off $50K easily. Just comes down to managing finances and budgeting.
There's plenty of athletes that are educated. Don't assume that all athletes aren't educated. There's self education outside of academia that colleges don't do for people.
Teachers should still be paid decent for what they do. I had many amazing teachers and it's sad that the profession doesn't get paid what they deserve. It's a shame.
The schools won't back the teachers when she is going by the rules to try and help a kid, but it makes the parents mad, the parents blame the teachers for their bad kid's problems(learning starts in the home). You can make more money working at WalMart after a few years and clock out and be done, teaching-- you take the job home with you every night.
Welfare wages, angry parents, no support from leadership, long hours, terrible benefits in States like Arkansas.
The classic school setup is not working anymore. Teachers should be able to provide quality instruction to students with out worry for safety and mental health. This could happen if teachers worked from home. The instruction time could be zoomed into the classroom where trained staff monitors the site for safety and order. School needs to provide supplies for students instead of teachers always providing them.
I agree about learning starts in the home.
And being blamed for bad educational outcomes, when money meant for public schools go to privated schools.
Kids have to face bullying,fights ,and dealing with shootings.And teachers are tired of dealing with those issues too. Also kids lost respect for teachers centuries ago and majority go to school cause have no choice.
Decades ago*
Hello Evelyn
"They go to school because they have no choice." You said it yourself. The government forces them to go to school with the threat of jail and/or fines. Why should we allow these problem students to ruin it for the kids that want to learn. I'm not saying they shouldn't go to school period but that maybe schools aren't the best option for these kids. Don't get me wrong, learning and education are critical. But there are people who didn't finish high school but ended up being successful. They still had an education. Just not in a state sanctioned school.
Reducing requirements to be a teacher makes me angry. I got a BA and a Master's to teach which took me 6 years and a lot of money. Pay teachers a living wage, give teachers agency (ability to determine materials used to teach and pacing of instruction), remove students from the classroom who are more than 3 academic years below grade level for placement into remedial classes, and reduce the amount of standardized testing. We lose 6 weeks per year to various standardized tests which all show the same result. Also increase school security. So many parents are terrible Karens or street bullies. Zero tolerance for student misbehavior. If a child can't behave at school they should be expelled and become the parent's problem. Retiring soon thank God.
Ability to choose materials? Absolutely not. In FL they'll be teaching flat earth and Jesus riding a dinosaur.
It's not just pay. It is about respect and support. Teachers reached their breaking point during and after the pandemic. The real question is who benifits from teacher shortages? Not teachers, students, or school districts. Interesting that many lawmakers who set pay and make policy are the only stakeholders that are anti-public schools. Interesting that the only people who have a reason to want to see public schools fail are the people who make laws that dictate what teachers do, set teacher pay, and controle school funding.
@ Joy pay is a huge component not everything BUT A HUGE component 💯
NO, it is about pay. You must be an administrator somewhere, in some school district.
@@plusorminusandtime I said it isn't JUST ABOUT PAY. I am one of the lowest paid teachers in the nation. Of course it is about pay, BUT there are lots of other reasons that a pay increase alone will not fix. Every single teacher I know who has left this profession has left for reasons other than pay, but gone to jobs that ended up paying more.
@@joykinser3444 No. it is all about pay. If the starting pay was 100,000 a year. Do you think there would be a shortage then? LOL
@@plusorminusandtime @ Raymond even 65,000 or 70,000 starting out with 100,000 for 5 years and up! Teachers are certainly worth that and MORE like the 100,000 starting range NO EXAGGERATION. No other profession NONE OTHER underpays or devalues higher education like the teaching profession having a Master's degree equals 20 to 50 bucks a check after taxes in Texas ridonkulous ( yes, know how to spell it correctly) start with PAY then iron and weed out the rest!!!
Teacher here, we lost some good folks in the last 2 years. It's sad.
It's insane that this is how the little we invest in literally shaping the future of this country.
We spend far more on "education" than any other country on Earth. The problem isn't the investment, the problem is that the investment is handled by the govt.
@@OleLockAndKey I disagree. Here in Colorado whenever there is a ballot imitative to raise funding for education it rarely is voted into law. People hear increased property taxes and vote no, meanwhile they are also voting no on the future. It seems to me that education ought to be as important as anything, yet schools can't afford to adequately staff, supply and educate our children. I just don't understand the resistance to taking care of ourselves.
@@eelnoops5200 Yeah, judging by your use of "hear", investing more into govt run "schools" is not a wise investment in our collective futures.
They demand high performance from teachers and students while they scrimp on providing resources and training.
Instead of lowering requirements, increase the pay.
I just got hired as a Spanish teacher in Wisconsin. I hold three licenses, Spanish, ESL and bilingual bicultural license. I'm exactly 1hr away from Madison. Decided on going to another district because they offered a little bit more. But I still have spent $2,000 out of my own money to make my classroom environment welcoming and for materials. I'm scared because of the work load that I know is to come. When I was student teaching BY MYSELF because my wonderful teacher was on maternity leave, they took my one hour prep away to cover for another teacher!! This isn't even supposed to happen as a student teacher & they did it! Teachers are definitely underpaid and currently overworked. Preps are being taken away and recognized with pizza parties here and there. It was always my dream to be a teacher just like my mom. But unlike my mom, who taught in a different country where teachers are actually valued, respected and paid well. I'm here following this dream knowing I'll be overworked and underpaid. Let's see how long I last. 🤞
Sad to say but new teachers aka low man on the totem pole get abused. They are given the students and classes no one else wants to teach. They may be bullied into giving up their planning period. Veteran teachers will say no and mean it.
Get out while your young and can find something else
These are very nice, professional men; however, neither of them are addressing the real issues of why teachers are leaving for fear of causing a backlash. As always, the focus is on pay because that is the “safe” and “easy” fix, but you need to read between the lines. Yes, the pay isn’t great compared to other careers with similar educational requirements, but that has ALWAYS been the case, so why are we experiencing shortages now? Why are shortages not seen in more affluent areas (which, despite his denouncement, holds true)? It’s not as if teachers in the same county receive more money if they teach in the children living in the suburbs versus rural or urban outcroppings. It’s all about the work environment, specifically with regards to a lack of accountability and behavior.
Teaching is a lot of stress, your given inadequate resources, and blamed for everything. And add to that more and more losers having little monsters with little no parental upbringing, and the cherry on top pay that hasn't kept up with the cost of living...oh and now gum violence..
I used to teach high school science and I was so mistreated that I'll never teach again. Ever.
It's a combination of issues. Disrespect from students, parents and administrators. Crazy insane workload. If you are teacher you have no life outside of teaching. Unless on breaks (even during breaks there are seminars and workshops to attend) and some districts have issues with pay as well. Pay issue is variable but Disrespect issue and workload issue is across the board. Honesty workload issue won't be bad if they were paid like doctors or lawyers. They work like those professions but don't get paid like doctors or lawyers.
Who would want to teach in America, lowest wages around, unappreciated, and of coarse the risk of being gunned down at school.
I love how the only solution they can think of is cutting school days and hours rather than addressing the root cause of the issue in the first place.
This is why learning problem solving is important, because little children become grown as adults to be trusted with solving big issues.
I went to school for 13 years and then decided to attend community College. Took placement tests and realized I was behind in math and English so I had to pay for 5 prerequisite classes to get me caught up.
There’s no reason why being a teacher should pay so low you need a second job to live your life comfortably in your school districts area.
Hey I have an idea: how about paying teachers 100K+ a year - you’ll solve this almost instantly!
I hear your thumbs clicking - Not a feasible solution you type! It is!! A country can spend hundreds of billions on military spending but not on its education system!
Exxxxaactly. The freaking work load, pressure and stress can ONLY be ok if I don't ALSO have to stress about my home budget. WHY AREN'T THEY TALKING ABOUT THIS. It is such a duh idea.
Yep. It's sad that a teacher doesn't make enough to pay for a quality vacation when off on vacation. Teachers educate people's children and can not afford to send their own kids to school. Then to top it off, teachers pay state taxes towards their own paychecks.
I see the teacher bashers are quiet. I teach in a building with 3,000 students. During the summer 20 teachers resigned as did the principal. We currently have an interim principal who doesn't want the job. Not one person applied. Low pay is not the only reason teachers are quitting or retiring early. Let me sum it up like this: Student misbehavior, lack of student accountability, poor leadership, hatred and contempt towards teachers, crazy liberal policies forced on us in curriculum, and an ever increasing workload ( 20 hours worth of work taken home).
The number of teachers retiring has increased enormously. That alone tells you it's not about pay. More money is always nice, but it's not what is going to keep teachers in the classroom. They have to figure out how to make the working conditions more sustainable. And teachers need to be included in any planning that goes on towards that goal.
I'm trying to get hired as a teacher, and it's a special level of chaos.
On another note, my sister is leaving the teaching profession after 10 years to take a job that pays less. But at least her new job will let her use her master's degree in Public Health.
My poor sister was reported to the school board for teaching evolution... Which is in the curriculum. And a student was recording her, trying to get her fired.
The culture war is just awful. The goal is to ruin public school, and it's working.
Lastly, my mom works as an admin. She is so ready for her retirement. They had her take on teaching special education on top of her regular jobs. Shes working herself into an early grave, and I wish she would just stop.
I will never forget when my grandfather retired in late 90’s - early 2000’s
As a high school assistant principal and mathematics educator . He was called back in the school system and worked 5 more years then worked part time tutoring middle school kids to prepare them for state testing. It was about 10 former teacher called back during this timeframe to help. He also before officially stepping away worked for the local college as an advisor and program lead .
It’s a shortage for sure. Praying for our educators
Teachers never really retire. They just stop getting paid.
This is more understandable than ever. I used to Substitute, and in the best of circumstances we were treated very poorly, by the regular teachers. When I was doing that, fully 40% of the regular teachers were substitutes. THINK ABOUT IT: most of your kids’ teachers have no idea how to be a teacher. It is not like a theoretical job, like politician. Teachers need degrees in education and experience. As a degreed substitute (my degrees are psychology, and I hold a master), I felt lost. I cannot imagine how lost someone without a degree will feel. Add to that the genuine threat from mass-shootings, and obvious incompetence in protecting children and teachers…
Nothing will make a professional quit faster than not being allowed to do the job they trained to do.
Teachers are the forefront of education, without them we don't have doctors, engineers, or any of the "important jobs". Teaching standards have to be raised and compensated as such, people would be more apt to teach if pay was higher and if the benefits actually helped them.
Present average pay in the U.S. is $63,645 annually, for working NINE MONTHS ANNUALLY ...FROM DAY ONE. That's equivalent to $85,000 annually if they worked 12 months with the equivalent holiday package that most everyone gets. They also get their benefits, pensions, and pension benefits.
If they want to make more money, they can work for three months EVERY YEAR ....which some do.
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There needs to be discipline and respect from students and cooperation from parents, computers have nothing to do with the chaos that has ensued lately.
One of the teachers on here said it's the parents and behavior problems. Seeing how kids act in the class, we kind of get a glimmer of society, and it's hard to see year after year. Teachers get PTSD too.
I left the profession earlier this year after 11 years and currently a dishwasher for a Ski Resort and I am making more money bi-weekly with more time (I don’t have or need to bring my work home 😁) and less STRESS / ANXIETIES. I thank GOD everyday for this opportunity and blessing he has provided me. I enjoy waking up every morning and go to bed at night feeling at peace.
WOW!!! This should not be though in our society. Congrats.
Low pay (sometimes no pay), extremely disrespected and potentially exposed to litigation for teaching “wrong” lessons……. Where do I sign up?
I left teaching because I just couldn’t work for another (because there were multiple) bully principals. I absolutely love teaching but couldn’t do it under bad leadership anymore.
Just retired after 26 years from public. Admin is not the one to ask. Ask a teacher. Pay is low, student discipline and work ethic are gone, no support from admin or parents, constant testing and benchmark tests to rate students, and retirement pay is not that great. Yes, we do not do it for the money but we need to buy a house, send our kids to university, and retire not on welfare. We need a GI Bill for teachers that pays for their education if they spend 10 years in public school, we need low cost home loans for teachers, and we should be allowed to send teacher's kids to state university at a sharp discount. This will help but if the parents do not send their kids to school well behaved and ready to work hard and admin does not respect the teacher as a professional then the pay will not hold young people in teaching for long.
And being ripped off their pension. Want your kid educated? Get a voucher or DIY.
Hello An
After 20 years of teaching in an inner city school, I'm getting out. I have nothing left. Teachers are expected to do so much more than teach - we're now being asked to "parent". First, the parents that we have to deal with (assuming they answer their phones or show up for parent teacher conferences) are rude, demanding, and always looking for an excuse to put the blame for their failing insolent children on the teacher. My heart breaks when I see my children hurt, neglected and not given the love they deserve. Second, the politically motivated assessment process is time consuming and VERY unproductive since it takes away most teaching time. Ask any teacher and they'll tell you they just want to teach.
When I got laid off from ESL with my college educator experience & MFA, I thought I'd help by applying to sub or consider a high school career. It was ridiculously hard...more requirements & more college & more student loans. No, thank you! My daughter just graduated college at 20 & I was worried when she said she's thinking of being a teacher. I told her I don't feel teachers are respected in our society & I don't want to see her as poor as I am as a college educator & dealing with such a difficult job. It would have been so cool to be proud of her for wanting to help educate people, but I couldn't feel happy about it.
I get it! I have six years experience teaching ESL and three years experience adjuncting college credit pre-engineering courses to high school students. Think I could get a teaching job with all that experience in this country just a few years ago without a masters? No. Now, I could probably easily get a teaching job as my state has a lot of open positions. Sorry, not sorry, but that ship has sailed. I make a livable salary at a job where I am respected. I don’t work nights unless I want to. I never work weekends. I have good benefits, including profit sharing and free lunch Fridays. When it’s excessively hot we usually go home early. I don’t have to watch what I say. I can dye my hair any color (currently green). I can listen to anything I want on my work provided mobile all day. Prior to the pandemic, we had awesome company parties twice a year. The company actually listens to employee suggestions and institutes policy changes because (I know it’s crazy) they want us to stay with the company for a long time. I received both loyalty and cost of inflation raises within the last year. Our medical insurance costs have remained the same for the last four years, except this year are prescriptions are supposed to cost a bit less. I work in a male dominated industry, being the only female in my
satellite location and am treated with an amount of respect I never dreamed of as an adjunct teacher of high school students. When there are good jobs like mine out there, who the eff would want to go into teaching?
I "feel" you.
I am also a teacher and told my son the same thing. He considered becoming a music teacher. It still breaks my heart that I deterred him.
@@shellipayne-patterson5314 Whole that’s noble on this day and age, crushing your child’s dreams, even if you are correct, is incredibly emotionally traumatizing and damaging, and leads to both trust and rejection issues down the line. He’ll learn it in his own time.
@@adeleennis2255 That sounds like a dream, what is the business called? I'm looking to switch careers myself as teaching is super stressful and restrictive. I'm checking out tech jobs (IT).
You get what you ask for. I tried TWICE to become a teacher at the grade 7-12 level, and I was disrespected by _everybody_ . I think the consensus was, "This guy actually wants to teach, we just need a mindless babysitter/obedient automaton. Let's send him on his way." And so they did, and now I just laugh at these "teacher shortage" reports. Let this system burn, it has nothing to do with education anyway.
Teachers are mentioned in every election cycle but are quickly forgotten when the election is over
Being a teacher was like being in an abusive relationship.....
It’s going to get to the point of just hiring anyone off the streets to teach, no license or credentials, don’t know the content. the blind leading the blind, but again it doesn’t matter, the government don’t treat public schools as academics institution instead as child care babysitting centers. So whether having credentialed license teacher don’t matter. Schools are just a place to house the kid temporarily while the parent goes to work. It’s like free child care and babysitting for the parent. And parent has the audacity to think they can demand things when they are not even paying for their free child care service. No humbleness and appreciation for services given to them for free.
@ JJ CEXACTLY what school is it was better in the 50's, 60's, 70's 80's 90's but 2000's fast decline today? Forget about it those standards you mentioned are currently in place for subs which are in classrooms and buildings more than the qualified professionals so, TO A T what you've described is what's going on!!!
I agree completely.
@@firstjohnfourandone4930 Maybe after 911, the fabric of American society changed. In other words, the war on terror paradigm led to government expansion in many areas including schools, i.e standardized testing, no child left behind, common core, etc... Societal decay also has led to decline in parenting. Also, Hollywood, video games, music, smart phones, social media, etc.. have eroded morals. People can make fun of "Satanic Panic" all they want but I believe that media consumption has had an enormous negative influence on society as a whole.
Now you said something, bc that’s what they looking for, someone to babysit children while the family goes to work lol
They know exactly why teachers are leaving and for the shortage. Teachers have always voiced issues in the classroom and majority of the time it's "them" the administrators that are the issue. Teaching is very rewarding when you see growth in your scholars. It's hard to sit back and watch adults select their favorites and give those kids more opportunities. It's not equity in resources or opportunities in your own school because of ADULTS. At the same time, you're scared of these children. Take a page out of these other countries and boss up in order to train our children in the way they should go. There are so many amazing teachers out here but they are so worn out mentally and emotionally. Shout out to ALL teachers putting up with Johnny bad a%^#&, his rude parents and the administrators that do nothing when Johnny sets your classroom on fire, punch another kid in the face and curse at you. You're the real MVP, GOAT.
Jara only worries about finding new teachers, he does nothing whatsoever to retain experienced teachers.
It's crazy, people don't want to be treated like poop with low pay.
My stepmom is a Spanish teacher in Florida and I remember a few times, I had to BUY SUPPLIES for her since the school had no funding and I donate all my art supplies to the students since I didn’t need them anymore it shocking what they don’t have in classroom like basic needs
It’s total disrespect for the profession. If we respected teachers we would pay them adequately.
All of the people who screamed "Oh, anybody can teach", should be running in to fill those vacancies. Hating teachers has been going on for at least 70 years.
Exactly!
They won’t last long!
Student behavior is the number one issue from the teachers I’ve talked to.
Money is the place to start. Why are young people going to invest thousands to secure a teaching degree, only to get a position where they have to spend the rest of their lives scraping to pay for necessities. I had an administrator say to me, "Come on now. You knew when you went into teaching you were never going to be rich." This is true, but I never thought I would be living in poverty either. Who in their right mind would go to college, study and work hard, only to graduate and be qualified to live in poverty? We need to wake up!
This is BS, I’m a former educator. They should have asked us about the shortage, not the superintendents.
Since the parents complain about what their kids are learning in school I'd like to see educated parents teach. Schools have turned into large babysitting facilities for parents who work And the parents who want to rest during the day to get a break from their own kids
They've turned into babysitting facilities partially because of the fundamental change in society where both parents have to work to keep up with the cost of living and don't have time to watch their kids during working hours. The steady decay of the economy over the decades has driven the cost of living steadily upward. Offshoring of American industries and other forms of corporate greed and excessive government regulation have led to this economic decay. Also, if teachers were teaching your children values that you strongly opposed, would you do nothing about it. However, I do agree that a lot of parents are irresponsible and lazy as well. They use schools as babysitting facs because they're lazy.
Why don’t you talk to TEACHERS Chuck instead of administrators who are not in these classrooms!!! 🤨🤨🤨
I would love to be a teacher but I looked into the cost of schooling and what my pay would be and I just couldn’t justify it. If it were easier to get a degree and certification then I would do it in a heartbeat
My daughter is an incredible teacher! How ever, she is considering changing careers. From poor wages, lack of funding for resources, poor administration, to the issues of school shootings and safety, she is frustrated. No teacher or student should have to feel unsafe at school! Why haven't we been vigilant about fixing that problem!?
Gee I wonder why states that making laws that make teaching harder. Are now having a hard time finding teachers. You don't say. Didn't see that coming. Oh wait....
How would combining classes help the teacher shortage? You'll just make the situation worse for the few teachers still there.
What a time to be alive everything is falling apart
My dad had a MS in biology and taught high school science. My mom has a MS in music performance and taught elementary music.
I wanted to be a teacher too, but my dad warned me away. He gave plenty of horrific stories of his work environment back in the 1980s and 1990s, and it is MUCH worse now with disrespectful students, no support from the Administration, horrible workload, abusive parents, low pay, and difficult working conditions.
I ended up getting my MS and worked as an environmental scientist for a Fortune 500 engineering firm for over 30 years, focusing on mentoring and technology transfer to younger scientists/engineers. So in a way I was a teacher.
Thank you.😊
If you don't reward and treat teachers with respect you are so done. Young people will not enter the profession. Then you pay these administrators massive amounts for... nothing ! All bs and the public school system is doomed...fools!
Pressure, underfunded, low pay, parents (entitled and coservative), and leadership siding with parents vs teachers.
Amen
Families need to stop sending uncontrollable children to school. Do your part and parent. Teach them at home, it’s not only school’s job to teach.
The school isn’t a daycare, teachers are there to teach not to babysit kids who can’t sit still and disturb the class.
How many parents enforced learning at at during summer?? How are teachers supposed to move on to the next level if the kids forgot so many things and lived without any structures for months? I’m not a teacher but a parent of three children.
People look at me like I have three eyes because I made our kids learn 1-2 hours a day during summer. How did we get to this point? Everytime I hear “Oh because you are Asian”.. no, because I’m doing my part to let the teachers teach.
Teachers are human too, they have a limit on how much they can take.
I wish all parents were like you!!
Another contributing factor is the disrespect and abuse of students and parents towards teachers. It's amazing to see what teachers have to go through