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- Teachers in America have a uniquely tough job. But it doesn't have to be that way.
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From hours worked to pay rates, countries like Finland, Japan, and South Korea make teaching a more respected and sustainable profession.
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A Coming Crisis in Teaching?Teacher Supply, Demand, and Shortages in the U.S.-- The Learning Policy Institute
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How to keep teachers and improve education in two steps:
1) Value and respect them.
2) Actually pay them.
i felt like as long as wages are high, they will work hard automatically. 🤣
They don’t deserve more money. They only work 9 hours, 190 days of the year. I work 12 hours a day, 255 days a year.
Nightingale I’m just saying man. They don’t deserve more money if they don’t even work a full work year
@@willshearer8907 they are literally responsible for most of the youth in their country. If they don't do their job well, thousands of kids might grow up and never find a successful and sustainable career.
@@willshearer8907 you think teaching kids is easy?
I remember hearing someone say "there's not a shortage of teachers, there's a shortage of masters level professionals willing to be paid $35,000"
The first time I asked a colleague how hard it was to teach, have a family, and go back for their master's they told me it wasn't that hard, but also warned me that the pittance they made more for both the degree and being head of the department was less than what they had to pay in school costs/loans. Literally, make less for getting that degree and promotion (which is impossible to get without the degree). This is in one of the best paid cities teachers, in a state with one of the lowest CoL ratios in the nation.
My cousin is a high school teacher in the US and I was shocked when she told me how much she earned each year. I earned more as a full-time retail cashier in Australia. Shame.
My brother attended my old elamentry school and he told me almost all of the teachers left cause my old idiotic elamentery school didnt give the teachers much supplise and low pay DURRING A PENDEMIC :/
@@chriskelly9476 dang thats tough
I could not have said that any better. You are spot on sir.
In Italy, basically everyone wants to be a teacher because it's one of the last "stable" jobs as private-sector jobs are highly unsafe.
In US, teaching is so bad that they even made a TV show about a chemistry genius so frustrated to be a teacher that he becomes a drug lord.
Good one lol.
That's not what the TV show is about lol
Teachers in the US get paid more than in Italy
@@jsebby2284 teachers in the US may get paid more but the cost of living is 34% higher than in Italy.
@@ItssMitch I would love to know where you got that number from.
And teachers in the US get paid ~59% more than in Italy according to the OECD
@@jsebby2284 since youtube doesn't allow people to send links, you can search something along the lines of "Italy vs US cost of living" and most of the results will give the answer of italy being between 30% and 40% less expensive.
I left teaching and became a librarian for less pay because I could no longer deal with the stress of maintaining order in a classroom. I wanted to teach, not spend my time being a disciplinarian. I had to deal with students who were unruly, rude, and disrespectful. I found that school administrators were fearful of parents and did not support teachers. One often hears that the teacher shortage is due to low salaries. This is not the whole story and vastly underestimates the difficulties and problems that one faces in the classroom.
Well said..,the kids in the US and the laws in place are 2/3 of the pribkem
@@gb-jg1ud Today in Virginia a six-year-old shot a teacher who is in critical condition. Need I say more?
@@edwardjones4870 you can blame the parents for that.
@@2wickie686 I agree!
I work as a PE teacher and my word is it difficult at times
I went to American international school and my teacher who’s been teaching at states for 13 years cried on her first day of teaching overseas because she never realized how much easier teaching can be.
Overseas where?
YourAsianComrade 27 by her first name I’m guessing South Korea
I taught 18 years in Florida and 3 years at an International School in the Netherlands. So much easier to teach at the International school!
Best work of my career! And I felt supported.
And I am going to ignore any elitist comments made towards my original statement. In the US, I taught at a more rural school with a diverse socioeconomic population for a year, 2 different inner city schools with high poverty levels, and an upper middle class suburban school. Each type of school had it's own challenges.
I completely agree. As a history teacher in an international school in the Netherlands, these schools are generally better funded, with less students per class and more time and attention for individual students when compared to other schools.
@@taejo4975 Malaysia.
Also, Anna starts her life with her own college debt.
While sofia with zero debt
International school necessary supplies: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That’s actually not that true most universities pay for the education program for future teachers bc there’s a shortage
/Zacky nor says while student debt is at 1 trillion dollars
@@black_forest_ You pay the debt back so slowly you wont even notice it
I had a friend in high school who was a Finnish exchange student. The year she spent here didn’t even count towards her education because the curriculum is so far behind. It was like a gap year for her 😭. Her parents are also both Finnish teachers, and she described it as “paid like doctors”. I think the two are related…
Teachers are paid more in the US than Finland lol
@@jsebby2284 Teachers in US are paid with no tax and teachers in Finland get payed already taxed
@@Laura-xj8gh your comment doesn't change what I said or prove it wrong though
@@jsebby2284 what is your point exactly? They might get payed more but it's clear that they don't get any job satisfaction because they all quit. In Europe teachers seem to enjoy teaching. I've spent most of my schooling in France and the UK but I spent a year in the US and it was pretty much a gap. Funnest year of my life because I was ahead of everyone and US schools are not strict and let you do whatever you want. Thr US education system is broken and is far behind Western Europe and Northern Europe.
@@xavier01110 what do you mean what is my point? My point is they get paid more.
You even repeated my point lol
Having lived and studied in several countries, I have noticed a big challenge for teachers in the US: the students are disrespectful, uncontrollable, and unwilling to study. The teachers are excellent and full of passion to teach, but unable to do anything with a class that has 0 respect. And the faculty support system is not strong enough for the teacher to manage the class. The students will be awful to the teachers, but if the teachers ever slip up under the pressure, they will be punished. The rules for how teachers can interact, or connect with students is extremely strict, giving teachers very little freedom. So basically, teachers are disrespected by their class, by the parents, and do not have a strong support system from the school, who will throw the teachers under the bus if they ever slip up or parents complain. I don't think the issue is with the resources or funding of the schools. Students in Asia work with very little. While in the USA, most teachers have smartboards, access to computer labs, etc. But who wants to work in a job where you are constantly abused by your class, disrespected, and constantly given pressure by your faculty and higher ups? In Asia, teachers are highly respected by students, the parents always take the side of the teacher, and are respected by the school, who supports them. Teachers have much more authority and freedom to discipline, manage and connect with their class. Being a teacher is a highly respected job.
Amen to all of this 💯
Yup. Vox did not cover any of this
I agree with the student part because i went to a school in Asia and then to US the student were very disrespectful to the teachers and would trash the classrooms. But the thing is the teachers give you work after work and tests after tests. There is so much tests in the US at school. And they also teach you very useless things. And some teachers don’t even teach and just give you the worksheets. Most of them just grade and throw away your papers, not really going over it for us to learn from the mistakes we made. I don’t like the student, but the teachers aren’t the best either.
parents always taking the teachers side sounds like a nightmare
That's why U.S need an important subject to be thought to the students = religion subject.
its also interesting how teaching in the us is considered a low level career out of degree required jobs yet in other countries in asia and europe teaching is one of the most respected jobs you can have
in a lot of european countries being a teacher is not that respected. i think that that is mostly the case in scandinavia. here in the netherlands there is a big shortage of teachers. they are also often burned out
In asia. Generally, teacher is considered as a parents outside home. That's why asian teacher are highly respected by student and society
My husband’s side of the family prefer to study education in college to become teachers and they get paid in the summer with respectful paycheck. Especially teaching English.
even in finland i’d say teachers are respected for the work they do, but there’s still talk about how teachers are only teachers because they couldn’t get a better job that they would actually want to do in the field of their choosing.. i feel like it’s just the mutual respect nordic people have for each other that exists regardless of a person’s level of education or their career path. teachers are a vital part of so many children’s educations, teachers are important!
Brianab3ar not really. Respecting teachers is not really a case in europe. In poland they get really low solary which makes it really hard to do it for a living.
Welcome to teaching, where the salaries are low and everything is your fault.
I am sure you are a teacher. Bad payment, no recognition, no respect, no job. Thats the conditions in my country. The result is that teacher univercities take the less educated students every year. I can't even imagine what is going to be the level of education in the future. Such mistakes in the education need decades to be fixed.
also where students not paying attention in classes of 50 is your fault
@@thewhitewolf58 And also students are not interested in education when they see that educated people and jobs (like teaching) have no respect and money. They will prefer other jobs legal or illegal that will give them easy money. Of course, without education and science the world will stop improving. But who cares... Let the future generations find the solution.
In our country, salary of teachers is more but Everytime it's the students fault.
@@maaroofkhan5675 Learning is a compined effort from teachers and students. Good results come when both do their best.
My mom has been a middle school teacher in Slovakia for almost 30 years. It is hard to stay positive and happy teacher when the salary is so poor for the job she is actually doing. But as she once told me - I would quit imidiately if those kids were disrespectful. But I can actually see their thankfulness for all the work I am doing for them. I want them to see that I love them as my own children and somehow they are paying me back with their good grades and respect. Thats why I've stayed for so long, now I teach kids of those kids - And that made my cry actually :D
Teachers are abused by both students and parents. Unfortunately schools allow this to happen. Back when I was in school if my mom was called in fir a conference with my teacher about my behavior or grades it was “what did my daughter do? Why are you not doing your work in class? You’re going to fail the class if you keep this up.” Nowadays it’s a screaming match where the parent is cussing out the teacher, telling her she’s not teaching her child correctly, that no she’s not going to fail her kid, she doesn’t care if her kid mouths off, etc. The severe level of disrespect from students and parents is a huge issue with teacher retention. School districts aren’t willing to support their teachers. Some are even requiring teachers to give students a passing grade even if they don’t do the work. There was a case recently where a teacher emailed a parents after the parent wasn’t responding to messages left for them regarding their child not showing up for the virtual learning classes. The parents started screaming at the teacher telling her it was her fault her son wasn’t logging on, that it was the teachers responsibility to make sure her son was awake & logged on, that she’s busy at work so it’s not her fault. She told the teacher it was her responsibility to come to her house every day to wake her son up for school each morning. Are you kidding me!!!! Parents are supposed to make sure their children go to school, participate in school, do their homework, etc. Teachers are not babysitters. Parents need to start stepping up and get back to parenting instead of trying to be their kids best friend. Too many parents are expecting the schools to do everything for their children and it’s creating generations of disrespectful, ungrateful, uneducated, entitled little brats who offer zero to the world. It’s time we quit blaming teachers for the failings of students and start putting the responsibility where it belongs: on the parents who aren’t doing their job!!!
Here, here!
Well said!
The quality of education is vastly different from state to state.
Anthony Marquez right I live in Nevada 😩literally the lowest funded state in mental health and education !!
Garrett Jones Florida man says we are competing for lowest in Florida
And county to county. Here in Massachusetts places like Weston and Wayland score way higher than Brockton and Holyoke. Variations depend on demographics and real estate values.
Yeah but the rotten foundation exists everywhere. Standardized testing needs to be abolished
@@gj471 In Finland we have a saying "Huitsin Nevadassa" or "In %#*" Nevada". It roughly means in the furthest place possible from any civilized place. Sorry, nothing against Nevada, I don't know where the saying came from.
The worst teachers stay, while the fun teachers only stay a year or two
Or maybe because the fun teachers become the worst teachers
It's hard trying to put your all into something for little to no reward every single day.
That's very true
Eian Weaver Nah the cool ones are those before the shortage
A "fun" teacher doesn't equate a good teacher. Learning is not about the fun of the experience although most learners experience fun when they are able to master a piece of knowledge. If learning was about the fun we all would have a doctorate degree.
As a teacher who moved from Texas to Sweden, I really have to say that a change in teaching hours makes the biggest difference. In Texas, I was in front of students 7 hours a day, 35 hours a week. In Sweden, it maxes out at 18 hours a week.
Did u need to learn their language, Sister?
For teaching?
I honestly don't know how they didn't mention the kind of education system Finland has.
I mean, that's probably the primary reason why teachers stay, AND ENJOY, teaching in Finland.
Seriously, look it up, it's fascinating.
“America spends more on security...than other countries”
gee, i wonder why
Hutch2Much this country is so addicted to its guns. It is a scary place to live right now. My poor little sister is scared to go to school every day and I don’t blame her. I see a guy in a trench coat and my heart stops.
Don't forget about the Philippines and other countries infected with radicals!!!
@@hackman669 Of course USA is better than most of the asian, african and south-american countries in regards to education and safety, but they are a lot poorer than the US. Comparing USA to Europe or some parts of Asia(Japan, South-Korea, etc) you see that there is a serious problem.
@@jesswinter my friend America has always been a scary place to live its not just right know it depends where you living at also guns are arent necessarily bad there just has to be more regulations on them and they should not give them away like balloons. but on the other hand, there is another side to this story my friend from the USA told me how he just survived being robbed and likely being killed but his gun saved his life. we rest of the world know about your mass shooting which is a horrible thing and it always gets lots of attention obviously but people don't consider how many lives it also saves now you might say that the solution is to ban guns right ? but there are so many guns being produced daily in USA that criminals who want to do harm to you will somehow get his hands on it getting rid of guns may not work for USA but more regulations are definitely needed.
Nevada is one of the states with a lot less gun rules, but we don't go around and shoot people. Everyone here is kinda chill, but they like to party. The only thing I'm concerned is how they drive here
My sister’s HS teachers really don’t care about their jobs anymore because of rude students and low pay. They even get their homework off quizlet and let their students use internet to google their answers.
Well, searching for information is an important skill.
Quizlet's where students tend to get answers to questions which are often in teachers' editions of textbooks - which is where a lot of these teachers get their homework questions. I don't think the teachers are firing up Quizlet 10 minutes before class to get some homework lol
Nimimerkki tbh i dont have a problem with that, i used quizlet myself for an online summer course in college easy A. Its just that imagine some students dont have internet access outside of school. Sometimes work can be done in school but its not like something they can keep up with every day
Yeah I definitely used it too. There seems to be a correlation between what's on quizlet and what's just busy work, so it's no real loss imo.
@@SA-xt1gd Are there really children with no access to internet in the US? And you call yourself a developed country?
As a millennial, by far the number one reason that I have heard from friends for why they left teaching is the parents. They expect teachers to raise and parent their kids, yet complain when teachers discipline them, and they blame teachers when their kid does not succeed.
I’m a teacher in Australia. Our pay is decent, but the workload is huge, and people outside of the profession think we don’t work hard because the students leave at 3:30 and we have more holidays. We are facing enormous teacher shortages, at least partly because our workload has massively increased over the past couple of decades. Even in the time I’ve been teaching (9 years) it’s increased really significantly. I’m now a relief teacher and have a much better work/life balance.
finland's population also see teachers like doctors who cure their symptoms.
That's how it should be in all countries
For those that are interested. There was a finnish guy doing a TEDtalk (in english) about teaching in Finland and he explained why it is so immensly hard to even start your training to become a teacher. He explained it simply and in an easy way.
Teachers help cure ignorance
It's best for them to treated like doctors. Education is the biggest tool to a nation's success
It's funny to read these myths as a Finnish person. 🤣
Lumpperlandia i dont think they’re referring to depression ect
In Finland, school teacher is a highly valued occupation. The joke isn't "why aren't you a doctor or a lawyer yet?" it's "why aren't you a teacher yet?"
In the US... if you're a teacher, it's assumed that that's because your life didn't pan out like you hoped it would.
Oh US is like India then. Usually graduates who do badly in school and college go on to get a teaching degree. There are some rare good teachers and I appreciate them though. Teachers are often so bad at teaching in school that parents shell out a huge chunk of their income to send their kids to coaching classes, who hire more educated and skilled teachers and pay them better. Coaching classes are evil though, but pay well.
Same in india
@@angelas5099 ikr
@@angelas5099 not like India. They just said it was ASSUMED that was what happened. As far as I can tell, that seems to a rare, if at all, case.
@@agent_sus3273 "Assume" in this case does not mean the synonym of "Suppose", i.e. speaking of it theoretically like in maths. In the OP's statement it means something similar to the prejudice people have. English is a funny language.
In Hindi, it would be translated to "US me shikshak ho toh maan liya jata hai ki inki zindagi apne umeed ke hisaab se nahi chali". "Maan liya" is same as "assumed" but definitely denotes the prejudice against them. My Hindi translation will be riddled with some bad grammar and pronunciation errors because my first language is English, not Hindi, but I hope you understand what I mean. 🙂
0:22 ngl I thought she was gonna say Anna is twice as likely to get shot
SAME THO
Actually USA has 3.75x more gun deaths per capita compared to Finland
Gun deaths per 100k people per year: USA 12.21, Finland 3.25
my mom was a teacher in America and she quit because she couldn't take how disrespectful the kids were and how long she had to work.
As a Mexican I thought that teachers being under paid not happened in usa
She had it easy. It isn't just kids, it's the parents who are disrespectful.
Worse, in Oklahoma, the State school superintendent sided with a right-wing post against a librarian who joked her "radical" agenda was to get kids to love reading. He vowed to stop her 'Woke' agenda. 6 days of bomb threats against the librarian and school district followed. He's made teaching from the Bible mandatory and if he doesn't like how you do it, he'll pull your teaching license so you can't work as a teacher even if your school wants to keep you. As of July 2024, I don't think teachers know with certainty how to comply with his Bible demand to keep their jobs but that isn't important because the real point is to get teachers to fear the superintendent and I'm pretty sure they understand that.
The superintendent (an ex-teacher!) doesn't respect teachers or the schools that employ them. Politicians don't respect teachers. Voters don't either. Why would anyone expect children to be respectful given that environment? The future looks bleak.
This isn’t a joke.
Twice in my life I’ve made friends with a new student at school and they were so far ahead in their curriculum it was embarrassing.
I mean it could be due to other factors you know, maybe they were top of their class and you were.... cough...cough, you know what i mean
We’re they from other US schools? If so sorry to say your schools just bad
@@ivankoh3779 😂😂😂
Have you ever tried taking your education into your own hands?
I was that kid. Until 7th grade all I did in school up until then was read during class and talk to friends
I had a American woman telling me “teacher should be teaching for PASSION not money! Why should they get paid more then they already are being paid! As teacher they shouldn’t be so money minded!”
This happen I was supporting equal pay for teachers.
It’s almost like Americans don’t see their teachers as human who need them live.
That's horrible. I feel sorry for teachers.
Tell her that physicians should be healing people for PASSION not for money.
Who needs those dollars anyhow.
Likely spent their early adult years on parent's dime or came from money and are conservative. Their is a sizable portion of the U.S. that doesn't understand what it is like to actually have to "pull youself up by the bootstraps", and an even bigger portion that simply views anyone making less than upper-class wages as deserving of what would be basic human rights in most other countries.
They don't see the students are human either, sadly.
I see my teacher as human I dont see what you mean by that. Also I really hope that our government here in the USA will AT LEAST raise my teacher's wages.
Such a gift to be born in Scandinavia or Europe in general.
I'm born in Finland and like so many of my classmates love and value nearly every teacher that teaches us at the time. My history/social studies teacher makes learning fun with some jokes mixed in (or just being funny in general).
You're welcome, Russia would have scooped you up decades ago if our military didn't give you our protection.
@@canofcoorslight5746 Finland didn't join NATO until after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, so we didn't give them protection before 1995. And Finland fought about 2-3 wars against the Soviets on their own in the decades before World War 2.
you are aware that european countries like france and the uk have there own nuclear weapons@@canofcoorslight5746
I left American school system as a teacher 6 years ago after teaching for 22 years to teach internationally for the past 6. Absolutely the best decision i've ever made in my life.
HELP! I cant find better History-Coverage and Flaws-in-School-System Coverage than the CRT- and GOP-Videos of "Some More News", so im at my Mean's End.
My mom was a teacher. She thought the system was so bad that she homeschooled me and my sibling from kindergarten through high school.
The one thing that confuses me is how would they give you tests?
How would you get a diploma or would you just take a GED?
@@frogg8319 -- No tests here (Canada). As long as there is a record of learning, you're good to go. You can get a bunch of resources, like textbooks and tests, but you don't have to as long as kids are learning.
how does she get an income
@@frogg8319 home schooled kids go by whatever standard the parents decide, so no tests unless given by parents
My math teacher quit because the kids in my school were bullying him. I feel really bad about it and hope he’s ok
Same thing happened with my science teacher two years ago :( He was so nice and a great teacher
Edit: Should add that two people made a poem bullying him and sent it to the whole school, which I'm guessing is why he quit. The guy who sent it out only got one single detention, and the other guy who did half of the poem only got a warning.
America is such a mess.
Same thing happened with my 7th grade teacher
kid in my grade made a teacher cry, and the entire class didn't do much
Wait was his name mr crust?
I live in Finland, and honestly my homeroom teacher is so chill.
We watch like 2 movies a week and get to use our phones during breaks in middle school (only high school students are allowed to use phones during breaks). I'm kinda sad that he won't be our teacher anymore, because he was honestly the best teacher I had so far. Even the the boys who were normally wild, would respect our teacher. Our teacher even had inside jokes with them
@Ludvig Renström SJFe That teacher was only supposed to be a substitute, but ended up being our teacher for the whole year. Our homeroom classes were super chill! Now that it's been two years and I'm in the 8th grade, I'm suprised myself at how much we were spoiled, since watching movies now is really rare (exluding documentaries). Maybe our class boys turned out that rowdy because he was too lax..?
i feel like its even harder for teachers in western countries because the kids dont get taught as much on the respect of teachers. in asian countries kids are taught to respect their elders, including teachers but in western countries its just different and classes are harder to control, and some parents blame everything on you, its a thankless job for the most part honestly.
Same thing happens in Europe. US and Canada are the only countries where students are allowed to say and do whatever they want. I've went to school in the UK and France and you must treat the teachers with respect and if you don't then you can lose your place in the school.
I can't speak for everyone in Spain but I've been to 3 schools + college and nobody dared to disrespect the teachers. They were very friendly most of the times, and the kids would behave. I know there are cases of parents being violent to teachers but I think it's not common here.We don't bow or call them "Mr. X", we can just say their first names, but at the same time we listen and behave properly. Again, that's my experience in two public schools and a private one in different parts of the country, but my experience is not universal so...
Can we take a moment to appreciate the overall graphics that they used with this video? It's great!
It is literally the first form of graphics to be invented.
Ritwik Reddy it’s nice tho lol
It's like 10 fps
@@pranav3848 it's stop motion lol
The graphics are beautiful but they don’t help the narrative. Why the minute hands keeps moving all over the place? And what is the comparison between New York and Alaska?
And yet, people continue to say "Kids these days are just lazy"
I’ve worked with them, and they ARE lazier than ever. A teacher shortage has no effect on how kids act. Their mindset is that no problem is too small, no complaint too trivial, to tell an adult about it.
That said, the blame should be placed on the system and not the kids... they’re gonna be in for a rough time when they graduate and no one’s there to hold their hand.
Jason where not saying that shortage of teachers cause students to be lazier where saying that we have longer schools days in America and that we do homework after school and studies have found that it can lead to depression
Every older generation talks bad about the next generations. People who grew up without radio and TV often thought it was damaging their children. Don't get me wrong corporations designing every consumer good around bad addictive habbits like food and social media is affecting us. Not making us lazy or dumber but more apathetic and careless. Also the attention spans of people are getting shorter. So their right and wrong. Advancements don't ruin people but predatory uses of those advancements do.
Don't believe me. People generally say Japan is "smarter" than the US. But the Japanese have higher gambling addictions than people in the US. That behavior was a result of Companies giving more people randomized stuff instead of just buying exactly what you want. For example most vending machines there you have to pay and hopefully get the candy you want. As a result people didn't think they were actually gambling but they got so used to earning things in a randomized way Japanese tend to actually have higher gambling addictions. That's why pachinko is so big over there. Here in the US you just buy what you want at vending machines. Point being are vending machines(tech/advancement) bad or is it how they are used?
@Jesire erised And it breaks its crown.
We are lazy, but alot of that is due to the way public institutions have raised us.
In Poland begginer teachers earn less than someone who works on cash register (who often wasn't at the university)
2 years ago there was teachers strike and for more than a month almost every school was closed. Government gave teacher little more money but at the same time they took some "bonuses" (idk how call it) so technically they earn less than before raise
I'm a teacher, and I've taught in public and private schools in the US and in several other countries, to say the least. The issue about hours, respect and pay are so relative. In the US I worked up to 12 hours a day, with 8 of them being teaching hours. I barely had enough time for taking care of myself. My pay was the lowest in the US, but the highest in my state. Everyone in society respected me for being a teacher, gave me gifts or discounts, and thanked me personally for being a teacher.
There are lots of other factors that make it difficult to teach in the US. The biggest one I saw is that each school system is run on the whims of a small group of people who mainly concern themselves with state test scores, funding and/or not getting shut down for a failing school grade. Another is the lack of family support that students have outside of school and the trauma they bring into the classroom that supersedes learning. They pack 33 students into a classroom with random educational models, administration and management. So guess who doesn't want to be underpaid, working 12 hours a day, worried about personal safety, struggling with the multitude of students' personal problems , and unappreciated by the admin? The teachers. So they quit after an average of 2 years.
Teachers: being stressed not paid enough = being rude to students = students being rude to others = students becoming stressed = students putting their stress on other kids bullying etc. = not working hard enough = getting bad grades
*being rude to students = students being rude to others = students becoming stressed = students putting their stress on other kids bullying etc.* Do i hear pumped up kicks or is it just me?
So we should replace all schools with libraries and parks. Got it clear as day. TH-cam videos and book don't have the stress of a real-time performance. Plus I can't help but notice we are all here while the schools had to stop physically running for the pandemic. Clearly teachers are obsolete oppressive destroyers to education, basic human rights, and the basic human right to education they purport to support (ultimately the teachers only care about the paycheck not that their job actually means anything to the kids, especially if OP is right to say teachers are acting out due to pay) and we need guns to stop their evil.
I agree with this concept but this is a logical fallacy
Bulling doesn't come from mean teacher, that is so false
@@shawn.spencer could be but almost always it's not so you are right
This isn't even talking about how every year, standardized test scores determine how much funding a school gets, which makes schools in poor areas with few resources stay poor. It's an awful system.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Even send federal officials to audit the schools and determine where they need funds and how to spend them?
How in the world is this system a thing?
@@simmerke1111 someone higher up probably keeps it
This isnt true lol
@@jsebby2284 it is. Schools will get more money if test scores are good
@@Hyperion_HK there's no discrepancy in funding for the average poor school vs the average non poor school
As a US citizen; I constantly hear people complain in conversation about how much teachers get paid and how much time off they get. The public opinion for our educators is grossly lower than it should be and is likely the root of all these cascading problems.
it's the same here in germany. people assume that the teachers already know the entire subject matter from their own school days and only repeat it. add a few hours of pedagogy and you're done. but it is also partly true that after 10 years at the latest, the teachers no longer remember what they studied and only know what they tell the students every day. the rest is unimportant. that's why i'm also in favor of shortening the studiying for teachers, because they really don't have to know everything. it is more important to have to take courses to stay up to date.
1:55 as someone from the UK, i can tell you that our teachers actually rarely get free periods, especially maths. If you’re in a primary school, then you’ll be teaching almost non stop for 6 hours since you’re with the same class the whole time.
America: Where even in schools, defence spending takes the lead.
Magats
Ouch. That hurts 😂
Gotta keep the oligarchy alive.
I genuinely laughed aloud. Thanks.
Ok! That hurt! 😅😅😅
Big point this video doesn't mention is that American teachers have to furnish their own classrooms out of pocket.
Almost all American students experience bright colors, toys, books, posters, pencils, markers, crayons, often paper, etc in classroom and without the teacher paying out of pocket they would have only bleak cinderblock walls and textbooks to learn from.
Edit 11/3/2020: I want to clarify that teachers shouldn't have to do this and many other countries don't put this added expense on the teacher, but provide it through public funding.
Also- to any Americans reading this today: VOTE OH GOD PLEASE VOTE.
unecessary decorations arent required.
@@finhazel definitely helps students morale and productivity.
Is this actually true? Jeez
@@finhazel Required is an interesting word to use, and I think it implies the binary of "educated" or "uneducated".
All the things I listed aren't "necessary" (for all students) but increase their interest in education, their connection from concepts they learn to concrete understanding, the students happiness, and (most relevant) the teacher's happinesss.
This video was about teacher retention. Their experience of ease of teaching, joy of teaching, and financial strain are the factors I'm talking about.
The idea that these things aren't "necessary" is true- for some students- but I view it as missing the point.
@@mordorprc1 Yes.
As always, reality is more complicated than a quick TH-cam comment, but yes.
The more complicated answer is that teachers can keep their receipt to turn in and try to make a case that it was "needed" for the curriculum. If it fits curriculum and the school has the funding to go around then the teacher could see that money again-weeks or months later.
I love the visual presentation of this video. Congrats on whoever made it!
Sometimes I think socialization in schools is more important in the US, whereas everywhere else it’s more about the actual academics. High School is definitely an important part in American culture and it’s something Americans usually spend a lot of time looking back and reflecting on like how it helped shape them into the adult they are.
School is meant to be a distraction and obstacle an excuse for students to start life late. They experience love issues family issues and not that much friendship issues. All they need to do is follow the curriculum. They don’t even need to listen 24 7. If there is no school psychopaths occur. I just hope America does not become Istanbul. Population and building wise
I left teaching because the stress was causing me to lose my hair. I could no longer tolerate badly behaved kids (I worked at a private elementary school that many times took in kids that were kicked out of public schools) many parents were disrespectful and got angry if you told them that their kids were anything less than perfect. Feeling pressure to decorate my classroom like a "Teachers Pay Teachers" or TH-camr teacher type person. Cause that's another thing... There's an unspoken competition between teachers over who has the cutest most creative classroom and door. The teachers with the best decorations and creations were seen as the teachers you should strive to be like, and those of us who kept it minimal because we're not as artistic and crafty were seen as the ones who didn't want to try hard enough. I broke down everytime I got blamed for student behavior and grade outcome. I shouldn't be blamed for whether Timmy took his classes seriously and studied for his tests, or whether a child chose to follow my rules of conduct or not. Teachers are expected to be 10 different things at once. We need to be kind and mild mannered while tough and fearsome enough to keep everyone in line. We're to be fun, dynamic and creative like Mary Poppins. As artistic and crafty as the art teacher, know how to handle special cases like a special ed teacher would, know enough about psychology to also be a therapist to your class, have secretarial skills, AND be extremely tech savvy. All without an assistant. It's too much! My dream job is to be left alone in an office cubicle in front of a computer, give me a task and a deadline and don't ever talk to me about kids or parents again!
yea man I work in a school too (but not as a teacher, I run the IT for a middle/high school) and my dream job now would be working in an office all alone putting together widgets, where nobody can bother me
I'm on my 19th year of teaching and I NEED TO GET OUT. Surprised I've made it this long actually. I say the same thing as you all the time. I want a job where people leave me alone. Curious as to what career you ended up in?
this is horribly sad
This is scary to read since I just graduated with an education degree.....
My wife is a social worker in New York. She works 12 months/ year for half of what our entitled teachers make. See what nys teachers make in 8 months of work. As a nys taxpayer I disagree with most of your video. What I do agree with is the lack of respect for teachers.
Then you have to go home and prepare lesson plans for the next day because there is no time in school to sit down and prepare...
Fact check: this is correct. Even in Europe. My mom is a teacher (since 20+years)
Here in finland one of my old teachers told me that she gave some of the students test for her husband to check and rate, even though he wasnt a teacher. But she had to do it bc there just was no time for it.
@@RealMailou in the Netherlands many teachers have similar issues
@@MBeckers I feel like the left in the US don't understand or just want to see the problems in the *EUROPEAN* stuff. People in the US are talking about their school food being unhealthy, meanwhile many here in Finland just outright do not eat the school food because it's so disgusting. Theres this city called Pori and in there some schools had insects as food. NOT EVEN KIDDING.
Mailou insects are actually very healthy to eat high in protein and it would depend on the culture and people that are eating the food
IN PH, SAD TO SAY TEACHERS ARE OVERWORKED AND YET UNDERPAID..THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALSO STRUGGLING WITH THE NUMBER OF THE TEACHERS...BUT THANKS TO OUR FILIPINO TEACHERS EVEN THERE'RE ARE WORKING SO HARD THEY STILL SEE TEACHING AS A WORTHY AND HEROIC PROFESSION..
This whole lack of teachers in the US comes from the stereotype that teaching is as a last-resort job for researchers, mathematicians, and other professionals. This creates the feeling that teaching is an undignified line of work, and also makes them get paid less, similar to how the architects would get paid significantly more than the construction workers on a building project.
"Those who can't do, teach."
But, the stereotype that teaching is a last resort comes from the fact that teaching is underpaid and anybody who wants a good life would choose the career that would pay better. If teachers were paid as much as researchers or other fields that stereotype would simply stop existing.
@@heranalemayehu So the symptoms of the stereotype are simultaneously its cause
All the problems you mentioned also exist in other countries' education systems. But at least teachers are respected. Teachers can be unpolitically correct and can keep their careers by making students uncomfortable.
US calls building school sports stadiums “education spending”
Bao Vuong it’s actually a really nice part about school for kids, as a student athlete it’s the best part of my day. And most schools manage to put them in the school work anyways so it great for everyone!
@@robertmerrill8918 yeah this dude is just a nerd who hates the "jocks" and what not
@@robertmerrill8918 I think what OP meant to call out is the disproportionate amount of resources spent on sports compared to other extracurriculars that matter to other students just as much as it matters to you
@@barcosbanchez6767 now we got another Reddit nerd hear trying be all "oh just be nice I just wanna solve math problems" get out nerd go try and run a mile
I definitely agree with you. And as for the other responses to this comment, yes solving math problems really quickly is a better skill than sports are, but that’s just my opinion (and really most European and Asian countries’ as well)
"How can the US keep their teachers from leaving forever?"
You can start by paying them more...
If they want more money they can start actually teaching. And $65k for 6 months work is more than some doctors make
You can't solve all the problems with money though. You could have a higher paid teacher, but if they don't fix the toxicity of student culture, no teacher will last.
@@SgtJoeSmith Most teachers do not make 65k and they work 8-9 months as summer is only 3-4 months.
A lot of US teachers decide to teach abroad, I did it for 15 years. Generally it's better money, better hours, much nicer working conditions and far fewer people like Joe.
@@triadwarfare well that's the teachers job
After sharing one old math textbook with three kids, not being allowed to take the textbook home, as is "normal" in the U.S., I was shook when I moved to Korea and the principal gave me my grades' text books plus the grade below, "to catch up" and take home.
power hunger. they love the authority to basically play god. lucky u moved to korea.
They wouldn't allow you to take the books home??? *Stares* What is wrong with the USA??? (Everything, actually, but that's not the point.) Here in Israel, not only are you allowed to take your books home, you're expected to, because more often than not the homework is from the textbook.
@@SpringStarFangirl they do let us take them home (American) but we have to let the teacher know so they can note it down
as an elementary school teacher in israel, I'd point out that selection of teacher candidates is an important element of this problem. I was in teachers' seminar with a lot of people who should not have been in the profession. of course this could be changed only by paying teachers more and thus, being able to select a lot harder.
Also talk about how schools are so quick to throw money at the sports departments while everybody else has to scratch and use their own money
(Edit: Due to more information provided by the replies, by sports, I mean mostly Football- maybe basketball,volleyball, or baseball)
Yes, Thank you!!!
And by sports you mean football, baseball, and basketball. If you do cross country, swim, lacrosse, wrestling, track and field, water polo, soccer, volleyball, tennis, or golf (what my pretty well-off high school offers), you can ask for something every 15 years or get bent.
Ev hey you ain’t wrong for most sports the team has to do fundraising And the school takes some of the money from “using the name” but don’t worry we get 1 new item a year
Yeah, I never got that about American schools and universities. Seems to favor athletics over intelect.
@@ilikemoviesandmore Some sports - not all - are actually revenue generators. College football is big business in America. The NCAA, the main college atheletics association, has an annual revenue of eight billion dollars a year - even though it's a non-profit organisation. That's why the athletic scholarship exists: "We'll pay your tuition, because your status as a college sports star will bring in more money than that costs us through ticket sales, broadcast rights and merchandising. Just don't let your grade fall too far, we need to pretend you are here to learn."
American Parents leave their kids to be babysat in school.
Other Countries sent their kids to learn.
Fundamental cultural issues.
Sadly France is taking that way too.
You hit the nail on the head. Before I became a parent I always thought parents should be more involved in the learning process. It really should be a 1 2 punch. BUT i think for that to really work we need smaller class sizes.
@A.P. X How big are classes in the US? In Sydney they are around the 20-25 mark
@@aussieendeavor3679 honestly just speaking from my own experience we had 25-30 kids in general classes ( math, English, science, history)
@@aussieendeavor3679 Before I finished high school, 30 students per class was the norm. It's usually just enough so that no more desks can fit in the classroom.
Sophia also doesn’t have to worry about school shootings.
Unfortunately this happened to my sister and discouraged her from teaching. She was placed in the Teacher's of America program in Mississippi and shared a home with her 3 other roomates, all of whom were teachers as well. Unfortunately, Mississippi's education system (and state tbh) is so backwards it made her job harder, her students were less focused on school, and their parents were less invested in their children's education. She ended up leaving teaching all together and getting her 2nd master's degree is sociology instead where she's doing well in her work.
Not to mention... The PARENTS in the US are very unlikely to back you up as a teacher ... You'll get phone calls in the middle of the night about 12th grader Johnny from his mother about why he won't have his project the next day. Most of your day is used up trying to maintain class management because several students have zero expectations from home to respect their teachers.
My favorite is when the parents in the PTA or the ones who donate a lot have acting up kids and think because they are a presence at the school their kids should get passed on to the next grade or even get awards. Donald Trump and George Bush Jr. come to mind. The buy your kids a degree is a real thing once you get to a certain level of income.
I mean yeah I get all A’s and like one B most of the time but my mom knows when I get a B it’s my fault. I hear daily from my English and science teacher about students who have almost no assignments done. It baffles me how bad you can be in a class, even though I spend most of my free time on TH-cam or playing video games. If every other student in your child’s class is passing, and your child isn’t, it’s your fault, not the teachers
Not to mention you also have to pay extra attention and more time to special need students.
actually I think parents all over the world makes excuses for their kids, but in my case,
i was taught to respect teachers
I remember my mother got mad at my 4th grade teacher for suggesting that receiving more attention at home would help me not be such a obstructive force in the classroom. She stormed out. As the 25 year old version of that 4th grader, my teacher was absolutely correct.
Bruh all we need to do is decrease military spending by like 5% and give that money to education. That would be a 50% increase in education spending which could be directed solely towards teacher salaries, classroom materials, and scholarships for teachers.
Congress only cares about keeping kids alive long enough to send them to Iraq, doesn't matter if they're well educated as long as they can use a gun
@@SaraH-jn5db That sounds so sad...
@@rozhin6055 And very true. When I was in high school they basically bribed students to serve in the military, offering to pay for their college education as long as it goes towards their future jobs in the army. I live in a community where many people can't afford college, so of course they took the deal if they wanted to get a higher education.
If our government really cared about our education, they'd take a little bit out of the military's bribing money and give it to the schools.
These are the kind of Americans that America needs
You're right
I am just finishing my 33rd year and will retire in June. It can’t come soon enough. I am so sick of the disrespect. I am more tired of the complete apathy of parents towards their own children. As the family in the US continues to disappear, the impact of this is profound in the academic classroom. It’s disgusting!
1. It's not about the hours.
2. It's not about the money.
It is about:
1. It's about lack of discipline from admin. Admin is so afraid to ruffle parents' feathers they allow chaos and crime in the schools.
2. It's about bungled bureaucracy.
2a They lay out detailed "standards" for us to teach and then give students tests which do not reflect the standards.
2b They lay out detailed "standards" for us to teach and then excuse any student with a doctor's note from meeting the standards.
2c The tests are given repeatedly until the students are bored numb. The students are fully aware that the test will be used in our reviews but count for nothing on their side - can't affect their grades, can't affect their sports eligibility, can't effect their college acceptance - click; next question: click; next question: click; next questions: click.
3 Schools are becoming politicized. `nuff said about that.
Treat schools as education, not as business
And treat your teachers as educators, not employees
And the teachers need to treat students as humans, not slaves.
US: *laughs*
We want more MONEY
@@output5447 yeah
Businesses sometimes have to pay their staff more when there's a shortage of a certain type of employee.
The American government (and often the American voter, as seen by the part about whether people in the US value teachers) resist that notion and almost treat it like blasphemy.
If schools are like a business, then it's safe to say that it is comparable to that of a prison; where the children are the prisoners, the teachers are the underpaid social workers, and the executive faculty, politicians and police are the guards and warrens
Protestors: “We need to defund the police!”
Righties: “How do you expect them to properly do their jobs without funding??”
American teachers: *c o u g h s*
TheHuskyK9 teachers get paid more in America than they do in Finland...
@@tylerchapman7394
But you also need to take into consideration the cost of living, their pay isn't proportionate to their living costs. Many American teachers have to work part time jobs in the side and that's in addition to their nearly 50 hour work weeks when you include the work they have to do outside of school hours
SoulWingz cost of living in Finland is also 30% higher than in America. I’m not saying that America is perfect in the way that it treats teachers but I personally don’t think it’s money that’s the issue. Or that Finland teachers are better off financially.
right? my teachers always complain (i don’t blame them) about them having to buy school supplies with their own money. and school supplies aren’t cheap most of the time. and on top of that they have bills to pay (which are really high if you live in a poor town/city because of public schools) and you also have buy all of your essentials
They don't expect the police to do their jobs. That's why they want them defunded in the first place: so that they can commit crimes without being arrested.
If children were taught how to behave by their parents, teachers would be able to have the time to actually teach their children in school!
As a South Korean, I feel the need to revise your data chart about teacher's working time. It is actually more than 9 hours a day at least, And If you are a high school teacher, they have to work more than 12 hours a day for supervising student who study at school for university.
that makes teacher can't afford to prepare class, and school eduction quality is prett lower than external academy. that is huge problem in Korea.
One time almost our entire math department quit. We had no math teachers for a good few days
How many days? Sadly there's no way to tell.
@@AdrianColley made me laugh!
Oh my god! That sounds terrible!
As a student, I would have loved that.
That would be every Kid's Dream!
Teachers or the backbone of literally everything. Your doctors, your engineers, your lawyers, etc... you wouldn’t have them without teachers.
Also, with increased education, crime rates are lower, poverty is lower, and the economy is healthier. Even people without kids benefit from paying teachers properly.
I agree with your comment, however, I don't believe in public education anymore as our citizens don't appreciate it since so many don't have to pay for it. It's become daycare and an antiquated form of teaching the minds of tomorrow.
In a developed economy, everybody is the backbone of everybody else. You also wouldn't have teachers without farmers, builders, foresters, miners, etc.
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@@lewism.henderson9571 I think what the point that the commenter was trying to make is: who taught farmers how to farm? Whether they have the title of "teacher" or not, every profession and skill requires instruction. Even parents are teachers, in addition to so much more. In that sense, teachers ARE the backbone of society.
Moral of the lesson:
Give respect to your teachers, it's likely better to have them rather than not having the class/activity.
My cousins father, who works with technology for Chevron, and has for many years, finished paying off his college depot at age 42. He is 46 as of this year.
my science teacher told me about this. she doesn’t have kids and she said if she ever did have a kid America wouldn’t be the country she’d raise them in.
It's a dangerous environment. Guns everywhere, very few restrictions in many states, poor education system, and the risk of getting involved in a world war
Smart woman
What country did she say??
mangorat somewhere in Europe
Sad
Teachers are so underrated
Me er I think the right word is unappreciated.
And that is a fact
*underpaid
Poorly treated
USA is a pseudodemocratic corporatocracy.
Love the visualization of the video! It made understanding the points easier.
a lot has to do with mutual respect imo. in my old public school teachers were *heavily* disrespected and breakdowns were common but at my current private school basic respect is normal (as it should be). we thank the teachers after class and all of my teachers are the fun teachers because they feel welcomed and wanted
So sad. I’m from Canada & my moms a teacher. While we were on vacation in the states once we were talking to our waiter at a restaurant. He said he quit teaching because he was making more money at his side part-time job (waitressing) than his full-time teaching job. I left feeling so thankful for my mother & really appreciated her
One of my mothers friends wanted to go into teaching but she also quit because she realized the same thing. She could make more money waiting tables then teaching.
Teachers get paid more in America than Canada so don't feel bad
@@jsebby2284 teachers are treated way worse in the states tho.
@@lukerickbeil1360 you mean by like students and parents? Yeah probably
@@jsebby2284 well and the system makes them teach in a way that they don’t want to.
US: everything is business even education
That’s just sad
Trump would agree
But if there’s no economics and businesses involved, nothing’s gonna last for long
Your school sponsored by raid:shadow legends
My school was sponsored by a insurance company, we actually went to their office and listened to their sales-pitch as 13 years Olds! Isn't Germany great?
Jiimy Schools are free in the US so no it’s not a business
@@kevincardoso6723 Wow, I wonder why trump has not called it a socialist policy
The US also spends a significant amount of its education budget on school sports. In European countries sports are usually organized in clubs outside the school.
I would like to say thanks for the very cool animation! Looks like it would have taken a lot of work :)
In a way, teachers have the most important job In the world?
Jobs make things happen
Teachers make jobs happen
Its like relation between inventor and invention, inventor doesnt need invention to exist but invention needs inventor to exist
It is
Well, yeah. They're the ones in charge of transferring our knowledge to the new generations.
NERD_NATO I don’t think your understanding the bigger picture
Yea its true. Why do you think so many of the severely underfunded states are trump states 🤣🤣🤣
Its simple: Give the teachers a fair and livable wage.
Most government workers make hardly any money at all. Only ones that make any serious money are the heads of the board of education. And they really don’t do much at all. You’ll see them actually visit your school once a year. And they run everything.
While this is a big part of it, it's not so "simple" actually. Even if the pay was up to standards, the poor conditions would still cause teachers to leave. Not having enough time to crank out curricula, cutting support staff like paras and counselors, expecting teachers to bring so much work home with them, tight control over when a teacher is "supposed" to use personal days--it's a grindy experience which would push people out even if the pay was excellent.
(Caveat: my husband's school is particularly bad. But I'm sure it's not the only one.)
Public school teachers in nyc start at nearly 60k a year. And the results are middling
you barely need any education to become a teacher their wage is very fair and livable.
@@daniel89123 in NYC you need a masters to work in a public school
It's funny even imagine to have a shortage of teachers; here in Spain is quite the opposite. You have to take government exams to get the job since most of the education here is public and we have tons and I mean TONS of teachers overqualified competing against each other for a place.
A lot of people just do this for the long vacation period and "well paid" and stable government contract, and since its quite easy to access the major in education. Also, a good amount of people don't do this for vocation, just because their notes weren't high enough for something other majors, making teachers a not very respected profesion
La verdad en mi entorno los profesores sí se consideran bastante bien, pero he leído varios comentarios de otros españoles sobre lo que tú dices y me ha llamado la atención. Personalmente, cualquiera que pueda aprobar unas oposiciones ya me parece que merece respeto, y ya te digo que en la vida he oído decir que ser profesor no es una profesión bien valorada. Lo que sí he oído siempre es lo de que tienen muchas vacaciones y tal, pero en realidad el trabajo de los profesores no acaba con el curso escolar, así que supongo que eso tiene más que ver con nuestras percepción de la profesión. De qué parte de España eres? Igual tiene que ver con eso jajajajjaja me llama mucho la atención
In my country, school are quiet and students always hear what teacher said. Teachers are very appreciated and well paid here
How to solve the teacher shortage
Pay them more
I work as a teacher in China because I can get the same kind of pay for half the teaching hours.
I only spend 2 hours and 40 minute each day actually teaching and have time to lesson plan or do whatever I want the rest of the day. I would never go back to the US and spend all day long teaching students and have to lesson plan in the evening after work... That's madness.
Let them work less, good health insurance 4 free, a good coffee machine and tea on their offices, every 3 to 5 years take them to a nice touristic city and make them study half the day and let them chill the rest of the day. 2 weeks later everybody come back with a fresh view of the world and their work.
And stop drinking Gatorade or milk at lunch. Drink water.
Government should have nothing to do with education. Want better education for your kids? “Pay them more” yourself, voluntarily - don’t go forcing everyone else to subsidize your values at the sacrifice of our own.
sybo59 “gOvErNmeNt sHoULd HaVE nOtHiNg tO dO wiTh eDucAtiOn” do you realize PUBLIC education is payed by the government in general?do you want everyone in the US to go to a private school ?
lovey hernandez And where does the government get its money? Only by using physical force (or the threat thereof) to take it from people against their will. This is obviously evil. I suggest you read Ayn Rand. If educations is so important to you, why would you be unwilling to pay for it yourself and encourage others to VOLUNTARILY do the same?
US: *Over works teachers and give them low wages*
Teachers: *leaves*
US: This is beyond science
politics machine broke.
ICharCoalZ do you think 80-100k a year is a low wage?
Lyndsay 415 what the heck are you talking about? most of my teachers from middle and high school were making around 30k and working several jobs in order to afford school supplies and basic living expenses for their families. I have no idea where you live in the US that public school teachers make that much.
@@lyndsay4153 Who makes that and doesn't live in the Bay area or manhattan? Teachers I know make 36k. The ones with decades of experience make 55k.
Lyndsay 415
No teacher makes that.
There's problems with the US for sure, but comparing it with Finland feels disingenuous since it has 2% of the populaton of the US, so of course its going to be easier for the goverment to support teachers.
That also means it has 2% the taxable population of the US
Exactly. Also finlands not even 1% at diverse as the US in terms of immigration/race/wealth gap. The US should be compared to bigger countries like China, France, or Japan
Actually, I was in graduate school of education and have been worked a school in South Korea. When I saw this statistics, I couldn't help to be surprised. That average working time is only "officially (visible) time" in schools of Korea. In fact, most secondary schools of Korea generally open from am.7 to pm.9-10, means teachers also have to work by that time(even if that doesn't need all of teachers). I think the working time and the system of Korean schools are not like other countries you see, that time must be revised into 'real' working time.
There’s so many factors that play into a child’s education (i.e. home life, culture, maturity level, personal relationships), yet teachers tend to get the sole blame for their lack of success. Teachers aren’t miracle workers, and when state and local governments are tasking them with spending time meeting every child’s personal AND educational needs, it makes teaching a lot more difficult. Wish teachers got more respect and more attention, especially those who truly care about the children
As a 5th grader normally I think its most likely the state
USA spends more on “security” but can’t secure enough teachers. 😂
True that
It’s just that schools can’t manage their million a year budget.
And that’s for an extremely small school
What security? It's so easy to bring a weapon to school
@@jsuoar6394 Wait, have you tried!?
Middle school teachers would probably be the most short. No one wants to teach middle school.
Many of my friends in London have switched from teaching in schools to working in museums. They always complained about the constant curricular change from one year to another, not to mention the low salary and high responsibility.
The curriculum only changes every 4 years in England
My dad used to always say to me growing up: “you shouldn’t want to be a teacher, you’re too smart for that.” Apparently teaching would be settling for an *easy* career smh
I’m currently a teacher- I have had two other careers: research scientist and Naturopath. I can tell you teaching is WAY more complex and demanding than my other two careers (I’ve also worked in retail and restaurants- teaching is harder!)
@@EH23831 Naturopathy is pseudoscientific alternative medicine. How do you combine that with scientific research?
@@lexx348 hmmm - a lot of Naturopathy, particularly the herbal medicine and the nutrition, is founded on and relates to biochemistry and pharmacology - both subjects I did at university... so they complement quite well.
I agree, you're too smart *to make that terrible financial and labor intensive decision*
@@EH23831 I've studied pharmacology too-- the link between complementary therapies and that is very very loose. It's very unscientific and unregulated; I guess I don't have to tell you, but it's very difficult to say any of it better than placebo. There are maybe a few exceptions, but it's few and far between. Often there isn't a great incentive for things like double blind RCTs in the first place.
Literally in school and everywhere else people will tell you not to be a teacher because you wont make any money
like all the time
Wonder what happens when you run out of teachers
You're not wrong tho...
you make a good amount of money in germany, and you cant fired, its awesome
It's true though, I would dissuade my kids from ever being teachers
“The rest of the world” is pretty vague.
In my alternative school most of the teachers are nice and have been treated awfully by the school and the kids. One of my favorite teachers quit because he was having panic attacks after his classes. Kids would constantly say mean things about him even though he was really really nice. I feel really bad for him
American pride will be the utter downfall of this ‘great’ country
It is a great country, proud to live here! 🇺🇸
WoogTV You’re the type of people the original commentator was talking about :/
WoogTV a great country in need of dire changes. I don’t doubt its potential for greatness (I used to live in NC), but there are many problems. Keeping in line with this video, for example, teacher salaries are atrocious, especially in NC.
Jordi Nagel one thing this video didn’t consider was the pay structure, it’s not just about the average pay. Maybe Finland pays new teachers less and teachers whom are higher in seniority are paid a lot more in Finland( I’m not saying this is true but the video didn’t address this). Maybe Finland has a shorter summer break which allows for shorter work days? These are just a few of many questions the video didn’t address. Nonetheless, our public school structure needs to have a major overhaul.
What's wrong with Patriotism?
As a retired teacher with lots of teacher friends, I have a few thoughts on this. Vox was right about some.
First, teaching should not be the Rodney Dangerfield of professions. Students lack respect, and so do many parents. They assume teachers failed down into the job, rather than having spent time and money to achieve the education and meet the requirements of the career they are (at least to start) passionate about. This is especially true for students from well to-do families.
Second, stop treating grades as the relevant end product. It causes the PROCESS of learning to be devalued, and people to say they deserve a good grade because they worked hard, or even (college) because they'd paid for the course.
Spend less time on testing (and teaching to tests). America loves testing in part because we like observable, measurable outcomes. But teacher training includes assessment. We already know how to find out what our students have learned. Don't make us stop teaching our course material in order to teach to and administer additional tests.
Quit expanding the job. We are teachers. Subject-matter experts. We aren't (generally) counselors, psychologists, PE teachers, police, their students' parents, or any other of a number of roles that some people want us to fill. We need people as trained and prepared for those roles as we are for ours.
And speaking of pay... Yes, teachers need to have more equitable pay and benefits. They should not have to have such a large percentage of their work uncompensated. People are fond of saying, "they get 3 months off!" Yes. With no pay. Unable to apply for unemployment. But still having to spend much of that time in continuing education (not free, usually), lesson planning, conference attendance (to learn new tools, techniques, laws, etc.) and other activities that directly benefit their schools and students, but for which they are typically uncompensated. Think it's optional to do this? Ask your school administrators. The few days of inservice for which teachers are paid are completely inadequate for preparation. They must do it on their own time and dime to do the job well enough to keep the job.
Please. If you value the youth of our nation, set aside the money to give them teachers who aren't too poor, stressed, sick, or burned out to show their students the passion for their subject and career that they had when they started out.
This needs to get more attention
Hi Jeff, I'm writing from Kazakhstan, I just want to express big respect for all american teachers for doing this hard job, I hope someday all teachers on earth will get the respect and everything they deserved. Its pity USSR fall because in USSR teachers were very respected in society, they were special, now its all gone, maybe democracy is good but capitalism is no good definitely, it kills humanity in human, people get like animals - do everything for money.
Agree with everything you said!!
❤️ Aussie teacher 👩🏻🏫
@@EH23831 I was actually hoping things were better there. Sorry to hear that the problem is international.
@@jeffreym68 I think we are better paid, but everything else applies!
Take good care ❤️
In india, teachers' working hours depend on their mood
Vox: Why teaching in US is the worst
*Also* *Vox* : Japanese teaching hours are up to half a day
Well Japanese teachers don’t teach for a straight half a day
We could provide every teacher in the US a significant raise if we'd divert a tiny fraction of our ever growing defense budget to them
Bernie Sanders wants to give all US teachers a starting salary of $60k.
@Judy Ham and he also wants to increase teacher salaries on top of that
@@MrManifolder teachers do more good for humanity than literally every other job, yet for some reason the United States just wants to flex their military.
I was an exchange student in America for a year from Finland. Now at home I'm very average student, but in America I was easily the smartest in the class.
Careful, there’s a difference between smart and knowledgeable. You may have just had more exposure to that specific material, while the American kids had exposure to different material that would make them seem like the smartest kids if they went to school in Finland for a year. There are a bunch of other confounding variables, but that was the first to come to mind.
@@samuelking4723 US kids wouldn't be knowledgeable anywhere... maybe in handling smartphone, camera and editing... but really in OECD stats they are really not doing well in any subject.
@@slouberiee Well the private and charter school kids certainly are. Maybe the problem is the government, and education should be left to the private sector.
@@slouberiee OECD has nothing to do with a person's general knowledge, taking into consideration is solely core classes that students are tested on
@@samuelking4723 Intelligence without knowledge is worthless. Also, how did a person from Finland have more exposure to American school subjects than the American students themselves ?
Well, you guys, don't want to break your dreams about the perfect life of teachers in Finland but the reality is: more and more people leave teaching for good here being overworked (lack of staff), paid a very mediocre salary (particularly for the first 10 years of career) with almost no opportunity for considerable pay raise or career growth.
The government and other authorities require everyone in the system (from daycares to universities) to continuously improve their qualifications (NB you will have to pay for your courses yourself and you will not get any benefits, compensations, or bonuses to your salary).
A lot of places lack the staff and can not take in great professionals because their education was completed elsewhere (it's OK, they will let you work, of course, if you decide to "requalify" again for a few more years) or even if you have a Master's in education they might say you need a Bachelor's too (a story from one of my colleagues) etc.
If this situation is not to be changed in Finland, the crisis is coming fairly soon, I am sorry to say.
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Schools and the Issues they have. The long, long... list... of issues...
Why are teachers in America so disrespected? Why are so many of these comments so disrespectful to teachers? What did we do to deserve this?
I’m no expert, but it seems like teachers are really limited in what disciplinary actions they can use, because administrators are afraid that parents will freak out. Also, the culture here has forgotten to teach children that teachers are intelligent, work hard, and serve an extremely important role to society, therefore need to be listened to. To students, they’re just some person.