Too bad it never amounted to anything so there wasn’t any point other than plot armour. Should’ve just killed him tbh. Or at least in the finale because Kallus doesn’t even do anything for anyone anyway haha. Filoni really has a problem not being able to kill characters that do an ounce of good at some point despite them having completed their narrative service but no issue at all at killing at wasting villains before their time quite often whilst under developing them like with Saxon
But then you realize we never see him gain any real tactical advantage over them by studying their art. Here all he did was identify the artist and drew the natural conclusion
@@Scott-ql2kx It's how he operates. Not even his own people understand how it works. He can deconstruct an opponent just by looking at the art they like.
@@cheeseninja1115 I don't think they NEEDED it, per se. Episode II showed two instances where it was subtle ("You don't want to sell me death sticks.") and there was no hand motion (when Anakin was trying to force the shapeshifter assassin to talk and only failed because of a poison dart). And Luke did it once in 'Return of the Jedi', using only a pointing finger. I suppose it may be presumed to be a trait which shows exceptional training (Kenobi) or power (the Skywalkers). Then again, that's just a bit of over-analysis. Frankly, Star Wars has always started to fall apart when you start picking at the finer details. (Or just try to think about things from outside the scope/era they were made in.)
Indeed. And not only that, but she was skilled enough in martial arts to defeat and nearly kill Rex (who is arguably the greatest clone veteran) in single combat. In my personal opinion, Arihnda Pryce is one of the most underrated imperials.
it makes alot of sense when you read the thrawn books because she has been lied to, manipulated and taken advantage of so much that she became the pinnacle of ruthlessness.
@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain Agreed, it's a cool detail from the Thrawn book that Price had pretty good martial arts training because she didn't feel safe on Coruscant. That being said I'm gonna have to disagree on Rex being among the best vets as Cody was a better martial artis and the commando's were more effective but I get your point, there are no slouches in the GAR and as a clone Rex has extensive training and experience.
Lyste was the Needa of Rebels; technically a fascist but also honorable enough that you feel bad when he gets screwed over by his fellow Imperials. Also, take note that the rebels don't fully trust Kallus yet but they still risked sending Ezra to get him while the Empire didn't send anyone to collect Kallus on the Geonosian moon and he'd served them for years at that point. I think that part of the reason most of the uniformed Imperials aren't shown in combat is because most of them are Navy. Veers is Ground Forces and Kallus is ISB, meaning they're more in the thick of things and probably have to keep in shape more. Pryce is the exception (mostly because she was based on Irena Spalko from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull).
It's *always* about the larger picture with him. Don't be concerned with small losses if they truly don't mean anything beyond a delay... and if they offer up information, so much the better.
I definitely love the first part of the episode where we get Kallus’ POV. It’s too bad that Filoni wasn’t able to do the whole episode like that cause of time restrictions.
Such great character development with Kallus!!! The season finale will blow their minds (for Rick and Calvin) and again for Aaron and Eric. Besides the Jedi centered episodes in this series, I definitely enjoy episodes like these!!
This was a fun episode as it centers more on Kallus on trying to keep his Rebel identity hidden without Thrawn and the Galactic Empire knowing. On top of that, it's great to see Colonel Yularen making an appearance and the only Rebels episode where Tom Kane appears. Still, watching the episode again makes me even more saddened on what happened to Tom Kane last year due to the stroke and now has officially retired this year due to the stroke from October 2020 not wearing off due to an illness called Apraxia.
You can clearly see that Zahn based Thrawn heavily on Sherlock Holmes. Also, it's a shame about Lyste. He was a really likable character. He was too pure for this galaxy. I liked how he was genuinely concerned for the well-being of a random stormtrooper.
Well considering that Thrawn and Yularen are both convinced that he is inocent there is a chance he doesnt allow them to punish him severelly.. or at least allows him to not be executed
@@sparrowlt My point is that Lyste seemed more motivated by his innocence than evil. He was a young rookie indoctrinated by the Empire and was determined to impress his superiors. And how often do you see an Imperial officer show genuine care and concern about a random stormtrooper?
@@vetarlittorf1807 yeah i agree in that one.. he seemed way more team worker than the average imperial officer.. even kallus kicked one trooper down a cliff for a remark.
They actually go into a lot of detail in the first canon Thrawn novel on how Price did a lot of hand-to-hand training before she became a Governor, and Thrawn's martial capabilities are seen throughout both canon novels. His specialty is a Chiss fighting style that is basically escrima sticks
This episode was the culmination for those like myself who were waiting to see Thrawn as the machivellion badass that he is. You gotta feel kinda bad for Lieutenant Lyste between the episode with Leia and this episode here. You'll notice this Yularen is closer to his ANH appearance. I love we got a Kallus centric episode especially after the reveal of him being Fulcrum.
Someone probably said it already, but Thrawn's override code for the sparring Droid is "Rhukh," the name of Thrawn's personal noghri bodyguard in Timothy Zawn's novels.
interesting thing is, Thrawn's people can see in the infer-red, meaning they see heat, so Thrawn probably knew Kallus was the spy far before the ending of that episode just by seeing the deviations in Kallus's temperature every time he lied.
0:38 “now he can play another character that has a bigger role” Rick foresaw the future 👀👀 EDIT: Ughhhhhh I hate that the same sentence foresaw the future in another way, RIP Ray Stevenson
I scrolled through videos to see when the last video was that i missed that i have seen and i wanted to see a reaction to. 3 weeks+ later LOL here i am. I missed this somehow
I was always worried that Thrawn had a backup list somewhere and that he would be able to pinpoint the Rebel base simply by noting the discrepancy between them.
@@Compucles Thrawn likely had backups on backups. We'll never know for sure of course, but replacing the wrong planet would've bought them more time at least.
There is one deviation Rebels Thrawn takes from the original Legends Thrawn. In Legends, Thrawn didn't know how to fight. He was usually accompanied by elite Noghri warriors since Thrawn's true power is his genius intellect. I have no idea why Filoni made Thrawn a martial arts expert. The very point of the character is to be the opposite of Darth Vader.
He’s an officer in the military, they all have hand to hand combat training, hell even governor price has enough to go hand to hand with a clone veteran. Besides there’s plenty of studies that show physical exercise improve mental functions
@@raximousprime2915 Yes, but Zahn would never have him be proficient enough to take on two Dark Troopers by himself. Again, the point of Thrawn is that he's not a physical threat, but an intellectual one. He's basically an Ernst Stavro Blofeld type of villain. Also, I don't think he requires exercise to improve mental functions considering the Chiss species have superior brain functions to humans. And even Thrawn was still considered exceptional by Chiss standards. That should tell you quite a lot.
@@vetarlittorf1807 in Thrawn Ascendency: Chaos Rising, a younger Thrawn and Admirial Ar'alani (then Ziara) have a really cool sparing sequence where Thrawn demonstrates that he can study her art she does as a hobby to figure out her fighting style. He then again fights off multiple other cadets at the Imperial academy him and Eli Vanto were at in "Thrawn." I think the explanation that he picked up this combat training from having been apart of two different militaries, Chiss and Empire, is extremely reasonable. I haven't felt like that has taken anything away from his character though
Why wouldn’t he be? It’s marital ARTS, they are often super integral to the cultures that create them, it’s right up his alley. And it doesn’t make him like Vader sure he can defend himself but he’s A. Not taking down a Jedi, B. Isn’t using it for offense, and C. He isn’t using going around killing and imitating his subordinates, that’s the real difference between Thrawn and Vader and that hasn’t changed,
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“I believe fulcrum will be more useful to the empire than Kallus ever was”
Even Vader didn’t get burned that bad.
oof
Too bad it never amounted to anything so there wasn’t any point other than plot armour. Should’ve just killed him tbh. Or at least in the finale because Kallus doesn’t even do anything for anyone anyway haha. Filoni really has a problem not being able to kill characters that do an ounce of good at some point despite them having completed their narrative service but no issue at all at killing at wasting villains before their time quite often whilst under developing them like with Saxon
The ending with thrawn was perfect. He didn't solve the puzzle only with his wit, but also art. It was so, I guess you can say, very thraw-ny
But then you realize we never see him gain any real tactical advantage over them by studying their art. Here all he did was identify the artist and drew the natural conclusion
@@chaossalad3243 So, he gained a tactical advantage by studying their art?
@@Scott-ql2kx It's how he operates. Not even his own people understand how it works. He can deconstruct an opponent just by looking at the art they like.
I always appreciated Price showing that she is a capable officer her quick thinking in ordering the trooper to shoot Kanan immediately.
That scene always made me happy because it showed that if you knew what to look for you could prevent the jedi with their need of hand motion
@@cheeseninja1115 I don't think they NEEDED it, per se. Episode II showed two instances where it was subtle ("You don't want to sell me death sticks.") and there was no hand motion (when Anakin was trying to force the shapeshifter assassin to talk and only failed because of a poison dart). And Luke did it once in 'Return of the Jedi', using only a pointing finger.
I suppose it may be presumed to be a trait which shows exceptional training (Kenobi) or power (the Skywalkers).
Then again, that's just a bit of over-analysis. Frankly, Star Wars has always started to fall apart when you start picking at the finer details. (Or just try to think about things from outside the scope/era they were made in.)
Indeed. And not only that, but she was skilled enough in martial arts to defeat and nearly kill Rex (who is arguably the greatest clone veteran) in single combat. In my personal opinion, Arihnda Pryce is one of the most underrated imperials.
it makes alot of sense when you read the thrawn books because she has been lied to, manipulated and taken advantage of so much that she became the pinnacle of ruthlessness.
@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain Agreed, it's a cool detail from the Thrawn book that Price had pretty good martial arts training because she didn't feel safe on Coruscant. That being said I'm gonna have to disagree on Rex being among the best vets as Cody was a better martial artis and the commando's were more effective but I get your point, there are no slouches in the GAR and as a clone Rex has extensive training and experience.
Hearing Tom Kane again is bittersweet, love to hear him return but sad this is likely one of his final SW voice acting performances
this came out in 2017, so he’s done a good amount of stuff since then. his final one is in Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga (Yoda and Qui-Gon)
I think him doing the "announcer" thing for the first episode of The Bad Batch was his last one.
Did he pass away or retire?I hadn’t heard.
@@franciscooctavius5957 he sadly had a stroke so he can’t change his voice anymore
@@Mourtzouphlos240 it’s Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga
Yullaren basically said "List is incapable of being culpable"
Lyste was the Needa of Rebels; technically a fascist but also honorable enough that you feel bad when he gets screwed over by his fellow Imperials.
Also, take note that the rebels don't fully trust Kallus yet but they still risked sending Ezra to get him while the Empire didn't send anyone to collect Kallus on the Geonosian moon and he'd served them for years at that point.
I think that part of the reason most of the uniformed Imperials aren't shown in combat is because most of them are Navy. Veers is Ground Forces and Kallus is ISB, meaning they're more in the thick of things and probably have to keep in shape more. Pryce is the exception (mostly because she was based on Irena Spalko from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull).
Apology accepted, captain Lyste
Even when Thrawn loses, he wins.
It's *always* about the larger picture with him.
Don't be concerned with small losses if they truly don't mean anything beyond a delay... and if they offer up information, so much the better.
Well... *_almost_* always.
I definitely love the first part of the episode where we get Kallus’ POV. It’s too bad that Filoni wasn’t able to do the whole episode like that cause of time restrictions.
Such great character development with Kallus!!! The season finale will blow their minds (for Rick and Calvin) and again for Aaron and Eric. Besides the Jedi centered episodes in this series, I definitely enjoy episodes like these!!
He needs to be in ahsoka or mandos3 or whatever rebels sequel will be. I saw a fan art of Wyatt Russell as kallus and it's perfect
@@FlexyCrash Wyatt Russell as Kallus? That's actually a great idea
Yularen being back was great, loved that little Clone Wars-esque theme when he shows up!
Pryce's fighting gets a nod in the Thrawn novel where she takes self defense lessons after a bad encounter.
A bad encounter with a certain Mandalorian
This was a fun episode as it centers more on Kallus on trying to keep his Rebel identity hidden without Thrawn and the Galactic Empire knowing.
On top of that, it's great to see Colonel Yularen making an appearance and the only Rebels episode where Tom Kane appears. Still, watching the episode again makes me even more saddened on what happened to Tom Kane last year due to the stroke and now has officially retired this year due to the stroke from October 2020 not wearing off due to an illness called Apraxia.
You can clearly see that Zahn based Thrawn heavily on Sherlock Holmes.
Also, it's a shame about Lyste. He was a really likable character. He was too pure for this galaxy. I liked how he was genuinely concerned for the well-being of a random stormtrooper.
Zahn truly made me love Thrawn like no other character
Well considering that Thrawn and Yularen are both convinced that he is inocent there is a chance he doesnt allow them to punish him severelly.. or at least allows him to not be executed
He was also over eager to screw over civilians on Lothal so.....
@@sparrowlt My point is that Lyste seemed more motivated by his innocence than evil. He was a young rookie indoctrinated by the Empire and was determined to impress his superiors. And how often do you see an Imperial officer show genuine care and concern about a random stormtrooper?
@@vetarlittorf1807 yeah i agree in that one.. he seemed way more team worker than the average imperial officer.. even kallus kicked one trooper down a cliff for a remark.
This episode should be renamed "Poor Lyste"
How about "Double-Crossed off the Liste"?
They actually go into a lot of detail in the first canon Thrawn novel on how Price did a lot of hand-to-hand training before she became a Governor, and Thrawn's martial capabilities are seen throughout both canon novels. His specialty is a Chiss fighting style that is basically escrima sticks
I when I look back at this episode I often wonder what would happen if Rex met Yularen
This episode was the culmination for those like myself who were waiting to see Thrawn as the machivellion badass that he is. You gotta feel kinda bad for Lieutenant Lyste between the episode with Leia and this episode here. You'll notice this Yularen is closer to his ANH appearance. I love we got a Kallus centric episode especially after the reveal of him being Fulcrum.
Thrawn does not require glory, only results for his Emperor.
Someone probably said it already, but Thrawn's override code for the sparring Droid is "Rhukh," the name of Thrawn's personal noghri bodyguard in Timothy Zawn's novels.
This episode is one of my favorites
Its crazy seeing Yularen knowing he went form a good guy to the head of he ISB and dies on the death star
Didn't Anakin do the same?
War. I mean he's the same guy but u know, it's all about perspective..
Yularen is also one of the commanders on the Death Star in "A New Hope"...and then died when Luke blew it up.
The ending of this episode really highlighted Thrawn's Sherlock Holmes-level intellect and detective skills.
The crew wanted the whole episode to be first person.
Nearly at episode 20, can’t wait
interesting thing is, Thrawn's people can see in the infer-red, meaning they see heat, so Thrawn probably knew Kallus was the spy far before the ending of that episode just by seeing the deviations in Kallus's temperature every time he lied.
One of my favorite episodes
Sad we will never hear Tom Kane amazing voice again.
I love the POV they use in this and that episode of the bad batch, same writer/director behind both of those episodes.
Such a good episode, I hope we get to see Thrawn in new upcoming star wars stuff
Loved the reaction guys!
Thrawn is a genious and I love it!
I love this episode!
Same
OMG! I just noticed that Liam O'brien is the voice actor for the imperial officer! And they noticed too!
0:38 “now he can play another character that has a bigger role”
Rick foresaw the future 👀👀
EDIT: Ughhhhhh I hate that the same sentence foresaw the future in another way, RIP Ray Stevenson
What are the chances Thrawn is using the same Beskar spear that shows up in the mandalorian?
That would be a cool idea. That’s why Elsbeth, who is one of his agents in Mandoverse, has it.
one of my very favorite episodes of Rebels
Such a great episode!! Besides the obvious it’s one of my favorites. It’s also my default demonstration of the abilities of Thrawn.
and seeing commander greers helmet every time in thrawn office the sad fate of being beheaded by yoda lol
Am I the only one waiting in anticipation for their reaction to AP5's sing a long scene?
I scrolled through videos to see when the last video was that i missed that i have seen and i wanted to see a reaction to. 3 weeks+ later LOL here i am. I missed this somehow
One of the fan favorite episode is here
22:07 I'll just take that as a dragon prince reference
I love the 2 ysalamiri in the background. Such an awesome call back to the old EU
One of my favourite episodes.
The point about replacing the wrong planet with a dummy makes too much sense in hindsight.
I was always worried that Thrawn had a backup list somewhere and that he would be able to pinpoint the Rebel base simply by noting the discrepancy between them.
@@Compucles Thrawn likely had backups on backups. We'll never know for sure of course, but replacing the wrong planet would've bought them more time at least.
Clone Wars also had some Indiana Jones references.
Thanks, Eric! Thanks, Rick! Thanks, Calvin! Thanks, Aaron! 👀
Only three episodes away!
Perfect. Bout to watch Bad Batch S1E4. Its 12/29/2021
Fun Story in Canon Tarkin ist actually super buff. ^^
"And Ray Stevenson can take on a bigger roll"
Yes, that being Baylan.
😢
shoutout to our boy lyste being the screwed over
F for Lyste
Did Vader use that code because there’s so much Blue in Naboo, but none in Tatooine?
Nice.
I don't get why Yularen serves the Empire so faithfully.
Looks like the crew is replacing Mando Tophe with ginger Zuku ;)
Someone wanna explain the lizards in Thrawn's room?
Poor Lyste
Thrawn makes Batman look like an ametuer.
Ezra should've erased the wrong planet. That way thrawn would think he's got them and go to the wrong place
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Kira vs L
Thrawn Vs Kallus
The rebels need to stop having such identifiable and personalized iconography.
didnt yall watch this already
that intro was sorta awkward to watch
There is one deviation Rebels Thrawn takes from the original Legends Thrawn. In Legends, Thrawn didn't know how to fight. He was usually accompanied by elite Noghri warriors since Thrawn's true power is his genius intellect. I have no idea why Filoni made Thrawn a martial arts expert. The very point of the character is to be the opposite of Darth Vader.
He’s an officer in the military, they all have hand to hand combat training, hell even governor price has enough to go hand to hand with a clone veteran. Besides there’s plenty of studies that show physical exercise improve mental functions
@@raximousprime2915 Yes, but Zahn would never have him be proficient enough to take on two Dark Troopers by himself. Again, the point of Thrawn is that he's not a physical threat, but an intellectual one. He's basically an Ernst Stavro Blofeld type of villain. Also, I don't think he requires exercise to improve mental functions considering the Chiss species have superior brain functions to humans. And even Thrawn was still considered exceptional by Chiss standards. That should tell you quite a lot.
@@vetarlittorf1807 in Thrawn Ascendency: Chaos Rising, a younger Thrawn and Admirial Ar'alani (then Ziara) have a really cool sparing sequence where Thrawn demonstrates that he can study her art she does as a hobby to figure out her fighting style. He then again fights off multiple other cadets at the Imperial academy him and Eli Vanto were at in "Thrawn."
I think the explanation that he picked up this combat training from having been apart of two different militaries, Chiss and Empire, is extremely reasonable. I haven't felt like that has taken anything away from his character though
It goes well with his interest in art, the beauty of the movement.
Why wouldn’t he be? It’s marital ARTS, they are often super integral to the cultures that create them, it’s right up his alley. And it doesn’t make him like Vader sure he can defend himself but he’s A. Not taking down a Jedi, B. Isn’t using it for offense, and C. He isn’t using going around killing and imitating his subordinates, that’s the real difference between Thrawn and Vader and that hasn’t changed,
Why are you guys re watching rebels
Cause calvin and Rick haven’t seen it