Torvalds Speaks: Future of AI

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  • 🚀 Torvalds delves into the transformative influence of Artificial Intelligence on the world of coding.
    🚀 Key Topics:
    * Will AI replace developers soon?
    * Enhancements in development workflows through machine learning.
    * Predictions for the future of software development with the integration of AI.

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  • @lwwells
    @lwwells หลายเดือนก่อน +163

    Linus: "I don't want to be part of the hype"
    Video Thumbnail: "AI will REPLACE YOU!" [with a photo of Linus]

    • @alext3811
      @alext3811 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Isn't it just your normal YT clickbait title?

  • @luckyLaserface
    @luckyLaserface หลายเดือนก่อน +178

    Last sane person in the tech industry.

    • @flybyray
      @flybyray หลายเดือนก่อน

      9:55 … Lookin' like a true survivor, feelin' like a little kid
      And I'm still standin' after all this time
      Pickin' up the pieces of my life without you on my mind
      … BUT
      „because if it is only something for me it is not really intersting in the long run“
      An answer to the question: What is the natural instinct to help others?

    • @agnescroteau8960
      @agnescroteau8960 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pinky promise me

    • @miraculixxs
      @miraculixxs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      plus me ofc 😊

    • @notthere83
      @notthere83 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Eh, there are more. Although they ARE usually encouraged to quit...

    • @linuxlizard
      @linuxlizard 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I got my job because of Linux. Simply put, I live by Linux like a lot of sysadmin

  • @JarheadCrayonEater
    @JarheadCrayonEater หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    "let's wait".
    As a programmer that started in 1986 and went to the Tattered Cover Book Store in Denver in 1993 to buy Linux in a book, hearing him say "let's wait" is very good advice.
    Don't be so quick to adopt new things in software. Most are just fads.

    • @miraculixxs
      @miraculixxs หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      💯

    • @Imscottirl
      @Imscottirl หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I bought my first, RedHat 5.1 in a box from Barnes and Noble. Came with the entire CPAN- comprehensive Perl archive network- the og npm!

    • @johnmckown1267
      @johnmckown1267 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Especially the programming language du jour.

  • @amoldhamale3202
    @amoldhamale3202 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    "Every project I've started is because of me being frustrated with other people being incompetent" 🤣🤣

    • @nasko235679
      @nasko235679 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      He's one of the few people on this planet that can say this without sounding arrogant. Dude has literally walked the walk 😂

    • @amoldhamale3202
      @amoldhamale3202 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Agreed

    • @NoSpeechForTheDumb
      @NoSpeechForTheDumb หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@nasko235679IMO calling the creators of CVS and Subversion "incompetent" is extremely arrogant, especially considering that the core functionality of Git (Check-in, Branches, Tags etc.) was possible with these already. He just extended the tools and made them more flexible. Same thing with Linux in comparison to older kernels. Thorvalds keeps on insulting the giants on whose shoulders he stands.

    • @larssimkins3313
      @larssimkins3313 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@NoSpeechForTheDumb it sounds like you agree that those features were under-developed and difficult to use in the existing tools. 'Incompetent' is a strong word but it's fair to ask why those devs couldn't streamline their tools to the degree git has.

    • @NoSpeechForTheDumb
      @NoSpeechForTheDumb 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@larssimkins3313 no, completely not. I successfully worked with CVS and Subversion for centuries (!). Those tools were fully capable of everything I needed. Eventually I switched to Git because it was used at my new workplace. It surely has benefits, but I don't see the purported revolutionary aspect. IMO it's overexcited by Thorvalds fanboys. Like Linux, the monolithic kernelblob. LOL

  • @bobros5
    @bobros5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    It's so interesting that great projects like Linux came from the dissatisfaction of one developer. So believe in your own needs, it often means there are enough people who have the same needs.

  • @marcellerusu
    @marcellerusu หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    bro, the editing... don't repeat the clips in a 10 minute video please.

  • @kj_sh604
    @kj_sh604 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    1:01 he deserved more laughs for that, including from the host. That was very well-timed 😆

  • @sebbbi2
    @sebbbi2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    And Crypto was followed by Metaverse/VR. Facebook even changed their name to Meta. There’s always some tech hype going on to lure investors money. They don’t seem to afford to not jump early into each bandwagon.

    • @ZombieLincoln666
      @ZombieLincoln666 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, but at least VR it’s a real product that works.

    • @sebbbi2
      @sebbbi2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, VR has real professional uses. Consumer VR mostly failed because of locomotion issues. You can’t play most existing games in VR as you can’t freely move without puking.
      AI has professional uses too. For example our trash is today sorted with AI vision algorith + robot sorter. AI also is used to process particle accelerator data: filter massive data sets, find anomalies, search new possible standard models, etc. AI algos are great for many big data optimization problems.
      The problem is that marketing hype tells us that everybody will soon wear VR glasses daily and spend most of their day in a virtual metaverse. And AI will replace all our jobs in 5 years and super intelligent AGI will wipe out humanity in the next 10 years. You have to invest today to avoid missing big structural changes similar to internet and smartphones.

    • @-Engineering01-
      @-Engineering01- 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Metaverse technology as a software is there, just hardware isn't enough to build it. It'll be made someday, in the near future.

    • @JakeStine
      @JakeStine 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Metaverse fad came and went so fast people already forgot it happened.

    • @sireveman
      @sireveman 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@sebbbi2 VR headset sales are literally on an exponential curve. Quest 3 is and PS VR are insane this year.

  • @dan-cj1rr
    @dan-cj1rr หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Thats the guy i'd love as a leader, down to earth, not sleeping with his investors.

  • @Basil-the-Frog
    @Basil-the-Frog หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    At 8:10, "beautiful science" in results in "beautiful science" out. That's B.S. and it's what you get when you use poor data to train a machine learning model. However, we are getting to a point where we can "generate" data to do training. However, the hard things for people to do are not always easy to train a model to do. This is what Linus was talking about when he said he wanted AI to help him. But that is problematic.
    A little earlier (at about 7:10) Linus Torvalds mentions the very complex tools used to modify kernel source code. Being able to do this with "AI" would be very useful he says, but I'm guessing it is one of the further-down-the-line places we are going to get.
    When refactoring/modifying code to do complex things like change the size of a data structure that is accessed directly in assembly language, or low-level C, fixing the offsets and finding all the references to the code can be tricky. Writing algorithmic code (as opposed to a data-driven machine learning model) is exceedingly complex, so I'm guessing it will happen much later.
    One of the things we ARE seeing is machine learning models that learn by trying. Google has some robots that play soccer and someone else has a robot that sutures wounds. These can learn by trying. Learning how to fix problems like Linus is talking about is very hard to set up. Perhaps this is a good research project for someone.

    • @JakeStine
      @JakeStine 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To be fair, the way LLMs work, you can feed entirely coherent and precise data in, and still get complete BS as output. LLMs are not cognition or reasoning machines. They are models that produce statistically likely sequences of glyphs and tokens (letters and words). The "self-learning" models are just refining that statistics-based response usually at the cost of further reduction in variation of responses. The more statistically precise a response system is, the less likely it deviates significantly from the ideal statistical response. The "iterative models" (which are different, these are the ones that keep trying until something is finally correct) are limited by the quality of tests and criteria that define correctness and also by the # of iterations required to get it right (ballooning costs).

  • @Batwam0
    @Batwam0 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I wanted to see a meme of Linus waving at the camera and saying “Nvidia, thank you!” 😂

    • @RedHair651
      @RedHair651 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha me too

  • @WHAT-GRINDS-MY-GEARS
    @WHAT-GRINDS-MY-GEARS 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    "Beautiful Science is what he meant." 🤣

  • @anonymous..-
    @anonymous..- 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The free version Adobe Acrobat PDF viewer is currently trying to convince me to use its AI. It’s Absurd.

  • @eggr1ce374
    @eggr1ce374 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Of course Linus has the most logical outlook on AI. I swear all these fear mongering “tech” people are just trying to pump Nvidia stock.

  • @ntal5859
    @ntal5859 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    When he was told could not say "BS" Torvalds should have got up and ended the interview.

    • @FrankHarwald
      @FrankHarwald หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Why shouldn't people be allowed to say Bachelor of Science?

    • @friedpizza262
      @friedpizza262 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah the video is a deepfake

    • @xpload32004
      @xpload32004 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny this is the guy who told him he couldn't say it, said it himself. What a child

    • @ControlProblem
      @ControlProblem หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was a joke. Linus reacted appropriately.

  • @agnescroteau8960
    @agnescroteau8960 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    7:38 😭😭😭😭😭 guys please be competent. I’m supposed to be a simple child bearer!!!!!

  • @SealedDoorNu
    @SealedDoorNu หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It should b assist u not replace.

  • @BrianMosleyUK
    @BrianMosleyUK หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    We're all Gen AI now. 👶

  • @psiryan
    @psiryan 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was looking for midi files to listen to (this is what I used to listen to before MP3s) and was surprised to find some sites with web rings that still function. It brought me back and made me think about using the web then and using the web now. Exploring the net-scape using web rings and link boards is like taking a relaxing and refreshing walk near a gentle stream. Not long after my search for midi files, I had to return to googling for something more urgent, and I realized that modern web usage is not exploratory at all; it's more like hailing a cab in the very busy downtown of a large super urban city. Definitely we need the urgent method sometimes, but I wonder if we do not overrely on it.

    • @agush22
      @agush22 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it was surfing the web, nowadays you browse

  • @jcubic
    @jcubic หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Where is the original?

    • @moe_dk
      @moe_dk หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Haven't watched in full, but the background fits, and it's from a couple of month ago.
      The Linux Foundation: Keynote: Linus Torvalds, Creator of Linux & Git, in Conversation with Dirk Hohndel
      th-cam.com/video/cPvRIWXNgaM/w-d-xo.html

  • @nazzzz89
    @nazzzz89 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Louis CK has improved his tech talk skills big time.

  • @thebutler2525
    @thebutler2525 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He's right..
    The best play especially to programmers is to only use the AI for specific syntax searches and NOT to fill out or have it write lines of code for you. You won't be a great programmer by doing that sort of thing.
    I'm reminded of auto-correct... think of how many words you cannot spell because of it.

  • @Terra101
    @Terra101 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Louis CK is a good inverviewer.

  • @danielwalley6554
    @danielwalley6554 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank God for dudes like Linus, who just come from a place of honest sense.

  • @NextLevelCode
    @NextLevelCode 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone know the link to the full video or the name of this talk?

  • @florxxt
    @florxxt 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "FINALLY"

  • @justintw888
    @justintw888 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the “beautiful science” was what he meant… lol

  • @acherongoon
    @acherongoon 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Personally I use AI to assist, and want as described a 4-eyes/paiered coding, otherwise build standardised modules and snippets. I tried and game design, pong, and waa given a solid basic design (both Claude and ChatGPT); simple changes were easy, but (as per uaee feature creep) the program devolved, and as modifications were more targetted to interface design errors and code style breaks increased, ie integration to existing world "High Score" table.
    But patching to directly interface to a poorly defined tools and webservices it managed baþer rhan I!
    A MASSIVE TOOL, but OS code/Service layer code needs strong review to ensure code is safe.

  • @Ferdii256
    @Ferdii256 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can somebody share the origin talk, please?

  • @S-sp2fe
    @S-sp2fe 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Everyone wants to get into coding and the industry promises the moon, but here is one of the people that founded a large chunk of what everyone wants a piece of and he's still doing it! And he's on a podcast that wants his opinion on how many jobs will be in tech with AI, will it lead to more or less jobs? The answer is, very few now, and even less in the future. There are more people going into tech than ever before and the few people that started it all are still in power and are making things even more efficient. How could this ever be a sustainable job industry? Software engineers aren't going to get replaced by AI, but their job will probably get bundled into mechanical or electrical engineering roles and the theoretical research will move into the doctorate space in academia. The same way AutoCAD seemed like it would lead to a whole new industry of technical trades, and instead it just ended up getting bundled into the basic education of every machinist and mechanic coming out of school. Every engineer i know writes code and half switch to software developers because they don't want to work in a factory or foundry as a traditional engineer, but they already work in data analytics day to day and are bored of measuring rpm's on motors. Now it's worse because of inclusion. That killed the boot camps credibility and COVID filled every company up with inclusive staff for the anticipated increase in online business, and all of that has ended, leaving many unemployed and highly skilled people that will get a job before you do, especially if they meet some inclusive criteria. Now, i support helping under represented people, but this isn't going to help them succeed and it just hurts everyone else. The fact that most developers make TH-cam videos or work as recruiters tells you all you need to know about the 'amazing' pay and benefits of the average highly trained coder.

    • @VoloBonja
      @VoloBonja 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No

    • @-Engineering01-
      @-Engineering01- 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Amazing pay is just a FAANG thing, and engineers at faang companies constitute less than 1% of employees. Other 99 percent of devs are paid same as other engineering disciplines.

  • @justwanderin847
    @justwanderin847 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I would like to see the programs and algorithms as open source. I would like to see the algorithm that they use to censor out "hate", "false truths", and "lies". So will they make public the algorithm to determine what is hate speech?

    • @zerotwo7319
      @zerotwo7319 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is a Hammer to make it say the right thing.

    • @user-io4sr7vg1v
      @user-io4sr7vg1v หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no algorithm for that. They just train it subjectively. There is no algorithm for 'hate' nor 'love'.

    • @justwanderin847
      @justwanderin847 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@user-io4sr7vg1v If text contain Conservative or Constitution or No Climate Change by Man, Then mark as Hate.

    • @user-io4sr7vg1v
      @user-io4sr7vg1v หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@justwanderin847 Exactly. Subjective.

    • @justwanderin847
      @justwanderin847 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-io4sr7vg1v and that is exactly what they do.

  • @zoyaa9759
    @zoyaa9759 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really, we need split data and information. The IT actually is DT, there is nobody to inform.

  • @gmxmatei
    @gmxmatei 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A question: 100 programming languages? Why not only one?... Subject Oriented Programming!! I built it!!!

  • @philippeannet
    @philippeannet หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of a wise man, definitely !!
    And in reverse engineering, we’re also praying to get some assistance, lots of promises, and still not much to see in the horizon… and personally, the more I dig into the mechanics of GenAI, the more I get convinced that it’s indeed a hype 🤔

  • @johnmckown1267
    @johnmckown1267 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AI will never replace me. I wouldn't put up with management. They are also AI. Artificial Incompentence. [Supposed to be humourous. I know -- don't quit my day job.]

  • @paulyz8534
    @paulyz8534 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Linus is God

  • @JoshtheFifith
    @JoshtheFifith 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ai would not be able to create git you need linus torvald for this it takes higher level thinking

  • @friendly.icicle
    @friendly.icicle หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Why is this interviewer correcting Torvalds and telling him he can't say BS? Wtf, he's not talking to toddlers, why this censorship?

    • @DeepanshuLulla1891
      @DeepanshuLulla1891 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      He is obviously saying it facetiously

    • @Sammi84
      @Sammi84 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      The interviewer is a long time colleague of Linus. They have in jokes between them. This is probably one.

    • @Basil-the-Frog
      @Basil-the-Frog หลายเดือนก่อน

      If they have worked together, that explains it. Plus, that way we know a lot of the conversation was planned carefully. I'd expect Linus to want something like that.

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Sammi84dirk hondel he's the maintainer of subsurface

  • @user-iv3in2ou3p
    @user-iv3in2ou3p 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Hi instead. Well this is THE purpose of IT. To make things irreversible. Isn't it ? The interviewer is horrendous.

  • @lolopinpin4950
    @lolopinpin4950 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Have they even used Claude or openai latest products?

    • @QwertyNPC
      @QwertyNPC หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Oh yeah, Torvalds is famous for speaking about things he didn't try. There's a video of him ranting about vegetable farming and I was like dude, have you ever tried it ?

    • @maximenadeau9453
      @maximenadeau9453 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Asked claude how many A are in strawberry he said 3.

    • @bola986
      @bola986 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They think that downplaying AI, will make it to go away. Let's make old computers great again!
      (I use Linux and Git everyday, but nowadays also OpenAI and Claude)

    • @lolopinpin4950
      @lolopinpin4950 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maximenadeau9453 I asked Claude and he said 1. I tried with plenty other words and only got correct answers, fyi

    • @raul36
      @raul36 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Y'all are like stochastic parrots, talking about the same thing all the time all damn day, man.

  • @Storm_.
    @Storm_. 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not a fan of when interviewers pose their questions in such a descriptive way that the interviewee has no choice but to answer within the very specific context provided. Then he keeps interrupting Linus and making cringey remarks.

  • @86Corvus
    @86Corvus หลายเดือนก่อน

    AI is the NFT of 2024... Exit while you can...

    • @ControlProblem
      @ControlProblem หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @86Covus: "AI is NFT."
      Linus Torvalds: "I think AI is very interesting."
      "I'm one of those people is very optimistic about AI"
      Interviewer: "I see a huge opportunity for AI as code completion.
      Linus: "I am looking forward to using AI to find bugs. Making the tools smarter is not a bad thing."

  • @IDontReadReplies42069
    @IDontReadReplies42069 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe stick to talking about OS development 😂

    • @Nnonymus
      @Nnonymus หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well llms could become the os of the future

    • @lucasjames8281
      @lucasjames8281 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Nnonymusimbecile

    • @turolretar
      @turolretar หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nnonymus I can imagine the horror that would be

    • @mecanuktutorials6476
      @mecanuktutorials6476 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Copilot+PC is already starting this adoption