The 9 Biggest Mistakes Low Stakes Poker Pros Make
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Marc began playing live poker in 2015 and built his initial bankroll playing $1/2 live. In 2017 he began playing full time in LA, where he quickly climbed stakes to the biggest publicly accessible games ($10/20/40). He began commentating for Live at the Bike and Hustler Casino Live, which allowed him to play as big as $200/400.
Gethen began playing online poker over a decade ago where he worked his way up from $7 Sit 'N Go's to $5k Turbos. During the pandemic he mostly played 1k and 2knl cash games online and won north of 8bb/100. He also began to play some of the largest private games in LA, where he regularly played as big as $400/800.
Gethen and Marc met in 2021, and quickly bonded over a shared approach to the game. In late 2022, they began offering 28 Day Bootcamps to help serious players climb to high stakes just like them, and Hungry Horse was born.
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it's the poker pro-vitamins
Looks fantastic tbh
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You're great. I've been studying for a year. Jonathan little, Nathan from blackrain, saulo costa, bart from clp, gto wizard, game theory impossible, all sorts of places. Went from a whale, to a nit to a tag, and now I've been learning how to not play with scared money. Studying gto and exploits. Now I've started punting a little too much with bluffs, but also I'm not sure if they've been a good bluff or not. And it's so hard to do all this in your head before the clock is called, or piss people off cause its a 40$ pot on the flop and going into the tank is a dick move.
Thanks for the help. I'm loving your recent challenge. I'm at a 1/3 that plays like a 2/5 cause it's only in 5$ increments. 10% up to 7$ post flop is the rake. If you're challenge is 100 an hour (roughly 60bb/100) is feasible, or even half that, my game would print.
I've made 4k in 100 hours live. Couple grand over 250k hands online. You TH-camrs are to thank for that. I might be running hot, i might be better than my pool, or maybe I just lucked out a lot, but hot damn with TH-camrs of your caliber, and the rest. I think i can get 50 an hour at my local casino.
Thank you for everything.
I haven't watched all your videos, so i don't know if it's 60bb/100. From my memory you're in a 5/5. Roughly 33 hands an hour. 100/5= 20. 20 x 3 = 60. I'm open to learn if you want to correct my estimate.
Either way, I think I might be replacing my day job soon. Which is door dash/uber so i don't actually have to quit, so it's always there In case i rampage my bank roll to the dirt.
congrats on recent results!! we have 50k+ hour sample of well over 10bb/hr being possible at 2/5 and 5/10.
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You forgot to mention the math equation: A higher win rate=a higher rate of hittin those skins.
Great stuff. The only thing I'd say is that as a slowly losing tight player I over fold not because I think other players underbluff but because I think they know I'm value dense so when they're betting against me it's because they can beat my thin value hand like TPTK or over pairs. Also the 1/3 Flop, 2/3-3/4 turn bet sizing is regs trying to be balanced because this is what the solvers have told them.
Really really good stuff, you’re a talented teacher
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As a typical abc player with a blue line going up, red line going down and actual winnings just slightly winning arround 1-2bb/100, i gotta review and internalize this video and i think i will be good! thanks for this great content.
Marc, what would your sizing be on the turn here 23:05?
Something like 120 or so because they are capped?
And on the river on a blank, on let's say a 9 or a 3?
1/4 pot to fold out a draw and about 450-500 to fold out Qx hands?
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I have the same question. I figured it was B50-B100-B150 on a non completing flush. I want B150 to get both Qx and missed draws to fold as a catch-all size.
Maybe B100 on a flush completing card targeting Qx to fold? Are there any rivers you are giving up?
31:01 you are 100 percent correct. That is good bucketing right there. Its hard to find a player that can do both.
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Agree 100%... your videos are a gold mine for live low stakes. The exploitative concepts are simple and the logical threads pull through. Only ask if you can remember to emphasize the player type we're exploiting a little more ... Recreational player, reg, low stakes pro etc ...
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Marc goon! Absolute grinder keep up the amazing content, do you have typical schedule of when you upload the low stakes video series?
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Awesome video mark it really illuminated a lot of thing. My one gripe is that you said the low stakes pro was bad to call out of the small blind, but then countered your own logic when you also called pocket aces to a squeeze. But calling with strong prelim hands against players that will bluff more than they should, and also appropriately thinly bet. Calling aces isn’t bad. His mistake was check raising the flop and not letting you blast off.
maybe i didn’t emphasize the point enough. the point wasn’t to call with aces to let someone bluff, it was because the original player who opened had a $125 stack and rest of table had $1000. i don’t care about winning $125. if i 3b i shut the rest of table out.
COMPLETELY different than flatting aa sb vs btn. apples to uranium comparison.
@ this is a very good point, I’d say the biggest weakness in my game is knowing stack sizes and it showed.
@hungry horse What program/tool do you use to visualulize the hands?
Excellent advice I would add if you have some information on your opponent's tendencies or body tells you could make the necessary adjustments.
Ty cutie. Although I think that you're overestimating how sticky low stakes players are with top pair. I agree with everything you said and I would still bluff on the J high board when the flush and straight get there. But I do it not to get QJ to fold, I just know at least in the games I play people will literally never fold top pair but also I'll know my opponent won't have top pair because if they did have QJ they'd be raising the flop. At least that's the observations I made in the games I play in my area.
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@@hungryhorsepoker sorry I edited my comment just now and added some thoughts!
A lot of times when people say this they are playing 1/2 or 1/3. 2/5 or especially 5/5, players are better and therefore will fold top pair. It's actually a pretty different player population. In 1/2, you can't get someone to fold top pair. Usually the stack depth isn't there and calling it all off for 150 into a pot of 100 is not that hard for them. But in 2/5, people will be hesitant to put in 600 more into a pot of 300. One of the main ways humans are not rational is they respond differently to absolute sizes compared to relative sizes. Technically a 200 bet into 100 should feel the same as a 600 bet into 300, but humans don't respond that way.
Also, another difference in the player population between 1/2 and 2/5 is that players will not raise as much with good hands. They're super passive. That's why you have to play for more money with thin value at 1/2.
I played a guy at my casino half a year ago. I had AK suited in position. He called my triple barrel, which arguably probably had shit sizes and maybe he knew a tell of mine, with pocket 6s. He said "i got a pair so I have to call"... Yes there are plenty of low stakes sticky players. But I'm getting better at spotting it, and getting reads.
I think a good player would have known that guy was an idiot, and not triple barreled like i did. Also sizing, timing, live tells. I'm thinking the calling stations can easily be spotted and abused.
Since that day I've continued studying and am much better. I can't wait to see that guy again.
Also, i r rarely see people buy in with 100 bb, which is a straight tell. My game has a max buy in of 200bb and I'm the only one I've seen buy in for that amount. These people with 33 or 50bb stacks are crazy, and it's getting easier to tell what type of player they are as i study. I'm getting pretty pumped cause I've done 40 an hour over 10p hours, when i was a nit. I'm ready to abuse regulars, not just casual maniacs, or the gambler that shows up on weekends.
The call out of bluffing because we block AQ and AJ hurts, because I totally just triple barrel bluffed into a brick wall with that exact hand last weekend, haha
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I’m up $700 bucks over 80 hrs playing 1/3… POKER is not easy! People who make a lot of money from this are crazy talented!
With the rakes as they are and much of the advanced-basics being old hat now, it can indeed be tough.
I made $1,000 in one night of 1/3……. It’s really easy dude
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Marc, I have a common situation at 1/3 when button straddles and early/mid poisions just call.
And lets say I'm in cut off. I have so many hands to open with but even if I go for 30-35 almost always nobody's is folding and I get to see the flop with 4-5 players.
Unless I go for higher opening size like 55 or 65 to end up heads up and 3 way.
Would you make you cut off range range much more narrow for such table and open big or would you consider to call along with medium hands and raise big with strong hands?
If everyone's calling, you have to narrow your range unless they are loose-weak...
Great video!
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Talking about all my recent mistakes. I feel violated
Ok not all. Only a few in the first half
Someone needs to send this to Hellmuth, not because of the call out. He could just genuinely use this advice for his game. 😂
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Great material! When are you going to write a book?
ppl still read poker books?!
@@hungryhorsepoker lol, well, you will need to put in lots of pictures.
The turn card king on the first hand is a GREAT card to barrell
especially when the fish floated with AK KQ KJ!
Going to have to hard disagree with AA being a mandatory value bet on river. For a value bet to be profitable, it need to be good more than 50 percent of the time to be profitable. Since you open raise 100 percent on button, you have 16 combos of 54o/s, 27 combos of flopped two pair, up to 27 combos of turned two pair, 16 combos of river flushes, and 1 combo of j2hh. So you have like 87 combos of strong hands on the river - Does aa get at least that many combos to call on river from a bet? Absolutely not.
What about all hands that dont get there? Also AA isnt calling in the example at 28:55, aces was checking back instead of going for value. There are many hands that cant call river that have us beat and theres many hands that can bluff catch that we beat. Remember, villain didnt look at their cards pre.
I'm finding that my opponenets refuse to raise the flop with good hands, any advice?
Would you also use these strategies if you played with pretty much the same people everyday (home game), some of them capable of making adjustments?
yes
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Depends.
Enough so that you’ll raise with your strong shit, and call with your weak shit.
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Damn #1 right out the gate is accurate. The medium strength hands otr gets checked by me alot.
When I have low showdown value I'm betting the river.
What's the river size? Marc said small. 80-120? I feel like much smaller a 5 looks me up a little too often.
What are the implications are of a dry side pot? I think I know but would like to hear from good players.
Help me win Daddy… teach me how to let that load off on the river.
1. checking range out of position
2. betting range small in position
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When you talk about being able to go thin for value or put in big bluffs, something was a bit confusing there.
In the example you showed you kind of made it sound like in the same scenario we could have a big bluff or a thin value hand. But aren’t the board textures and opponent ranges that favor thin value bets totally different from where we want to put in huge bluffs?
Maybe I’m completely misunderstanding but if we can overbet jam for thin value with top pair, get called off and we’re good, then that’s certainly a HORRIBLE spot to be blasting off with J high, right? Because if our opponent is calling with second pair on a paired board, that just seems like a spot to either bluff small or even give up no?
you’re absolutely correct. wasn’t necessarily discussing the spot, just how players are capable of one or other.
I dont know the type of fields you guys play at but yeah youre never getting people off top pair in UK low stakes by barreling off, this full aggro (with attention to sizing) strat is just igniting
If you check you lose 100% of the time. If you bet you only lose 98% of the time.
I like those odds :D
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What would you bet in the first scenario on the river to make him give up with his missed hands?
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the way you are explaining can be dangerous for someone that doesnt understand the game. Most of the decisions are first of all vilain dependant in a live game imo. You usually double barell whn u got more equity on the turn because you will be overbluffing way too much. SSome players just dont fall top paire or second paire
I’ve yet to come across a low stakes player who folds TP, even when a draw comes in. My experience is I was lightning money on fire, plus poker wisdom has it don’t bluff recreationals. Yet I’m no pro, and I listen to hungryhorse with interest. But I much would like to see some real live examples where they actually regularly fold TP, not just sounding nice in theory…
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Do you always refer to the game as "live" poker because online poker is an absolute free for all western where 0 rules apply?
Live poker is in person…
@braydentautges lol, yes, I realize that.
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If they aren't folding then you just need to adjust and get Max value when you have overpaid, 2 pair hands. By the way I agree with you about players rarely folding those top pair holdings
somebody who called a raise with KJ most likely thinks he drilled the nuts…I need raw live footage of people folding TP, I must see that to believe