Tree Change Dolls: Why Collectors Hate Them
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- Hi all! I actually struggled with posting this one because I didn't want it to come off as mean-spirited, but at the end of the day I still thought it was an important discussion to have- even though it's probably been had to death at this point. I know that feelings towards Tree Change Dolls tend to be overwhelmingly negative, but I do ask that you keep the comments civil, productive, and absolutely do not send any hate.
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Hey guys! I appreciate the passion you guys have for Bratz dolls, but I really wanted to avoid comments that hate specifically on the repaints or Sonia's artistic skills. I understand how you guys feel and I definitely have my own opinions on them, but I just really don't want my video to come off mean-spirited. You're allowed to feel how you feel, please just keep the discussions here productive and open-minded. I hope you guys understand.
Agreed, please don’t actually send her hate and negativity
Yeah... Sorry about all the toxic brats stans.
Why does the thumbnail look like pokimane without makeup
@@fluffystream3772 i went to watch a video in her channel, the newest comments were so mean
One thing that bothered me about this video is that you didn't take into account that the availability of more child like dolls is very limited and the original idea was to give children a more realistic looking doll whilst keeping them out of landfill.
Also collectors usually collect what they like in a lot of cases not what may or may not hold their value. I collect all sorts of dolls because I find them cute or pretty and if I had the money I would probably get a few tree change dolls myself.
Perhaps you should have named the video Why I don't like tree change dolls.
nowadays, people market every indie doll line as "the anti-Barbie" ignoring the positive influence Barbie has on kids. Barbie's whole thing is that she has multiple jobs, she sustains herself and her family, is in a happy, healthy relationship, she's independent, she does what makes her passionate. Barbie deserves an apology from pop culture.
Yeah, i remember growing up with that barbie ad that was like, "you can be anything you want to be!" I imagine it was meant for kids to imprint on, like hey, barbie can be a vet, so can you!
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yeah that's literally the whole point of Barbie, I think. I don't know what happened to Barbie as of current, but I'd think they keep the whole "you can be anything you want to be" gimmick.
plus the movies were actually pretty dope, loved them as a kid and still do now
@@shijannefortissimo8856 haha I used to love the movies too, I watched Barbie Princess Charm School on loop as a kid
@@Kalani_Saiko dude Princess Charm School is so iconic lol XD
which one do you think is the best? Call me basic, but it's....it's Princess and the Pauper for me X3
@@shijannefortissimo8856 That's a great movie too! I think I like the fairytopia series, Bibble is hilarious
For me, I just prefer unrealistic dolls. I don't what that human-like face staring me when I sleep. There is a reason why barbie, bratz and monster high are popular. They're stylized so that you won't feel weird when you look at them, whereas more "realistic" dolls can go wrong really easily.
Uncanny valley
Exactlyy
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Plot twist all the Barbie hate comes from sentient Furbies who are butt hurt about being so creepy
You sleep with those dolls? Lol
As a preteen, African American btw, I loved brat dolls because it was the first doll that looked like me with a big head and big lips. People need to get over themselves. I was never into makeup but I adored those dolls
The first dolls my sister and I got were Sasha and Yasmin. I loved how they were so different from the typical blond dolls you saw everywhere.
Yes this.
I liked Bratz. I feel like the TV show did it for me. Yes, the TV show wasn't great but it had a certain personality. The girls had personality. Chloe, Yasmin, Sasha, and Jade were all people and felt realistic. But they also went on cool adventures besides being fashion obsessed. Like they were Spies.
I had the same experience with bratz. Sasha was the first doll I ever got that looked similar to me. When I got her I was an instant fan, I watched the show and got the PS2 game. I never even got into makeup myself, but I respect the skill involved in doing makeup.
@@janelbbuck Yes. Also in thr games I would paint some crazy stuff on their faces and make some of the weirdest makeup. Including zombie makeup.
Have yall noticed that toys like GI Joe or other traditionally "boy" toys never gotten backlash the same way Barbie and Bratz do about being too feminine or being unrealistic or being a bad influence? Its ALWAYS "girl" toys.
Nobody is calling GI Joe's look too masculine and unrealistic or saying theyre hyper violence and glorifying military or anything like that(as examples I dont think these myself), there's no Tree Change equivalent. No weird straight women saying that this kids toy isnt sexually attractive to her *cough* Lamily *cough*
Ye :/
Hold up! I never noticed that before oop 😳
Thank you for your insight very interesting point
This is the real take
I was literally thinking about this. It's all just rooted in misogyny.
I love the soft natural look that they have, but bratz shouldnt be put down at the same time, i love the bold makeup and fashion too, both styles need to be supported because neither are bad role models for girls imo
A bit off topic, but i've seen some people online putting down dolls because they dont look fancy and glamurous, so the oposite of your comment happens all the time, specially with collectors. It's a nice topic to talk about and discuss.
@@PedroMDN i think simple dolls are so cute when done well and overlooked
I love the cute natural look, I don't really like the gaudy Bratz style. Not to say there's anything wrong with it, I just don't think it's cute and never wanted any for myself and wasn't a fan. I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a Bratz base and changing it to fit your style if you don't like the original, but to say the style is bad or wrong or inappropriate is just stupid.
I think the problem is that they sorta avertised it for children and yeah they are creative even though I don't like it but almost all of the Bratz dolls at least wear some makeup and some kids play them despite the Bratz dolls being teens they also have Bratz kids and babies but parents complain of how the company are sexualizing the younger kids
Same, the only problem I have with their look is that wHY DON'T THEY HAVE EYELASHES???
People who sexualize dolls and think they’re “inappropriate” just because they’re wearing makeup or edgy clothes are SICK
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Honestly it makes those adults look hypocritical.. they're trying so hard to point out bratz being "sex slaves" and praise a customiser who makes them innocent when no teenager made a point abt them being inappropriate in the first place :/
Ikr. I always love to play with dolls when I was a kid but never in my life wear a dress like them(I'm more into tomboyish style) or ever wear makeup(for the record I don't like makeup much and don't know how to wear it) and I'm almost 19. Those people just overthinking it. Even my friends used to make their dolls dress by cutting out their's just for fun.
The way they are thinking is promoting r^pe culture 😓
when i was 9 i loved monster high dolls. i remember once i tried to wear leg warmers like one of thedolls various outfits and my mother told 9 year old me that i looked like a stripper. the stigma around clothing and fashion is genuinely awful
There’s nothing even remotely sexual about leg warmers wtf
Did ur mom forget the 80s???
leg warmers? wtf that’s horrible- and leg warmers are supposed to just warm your leg too?
That’s awful! I’m sorry you had to hear that from your own mom 🥺
That’s crazy because after monster high came out my mom bought me leg warmers and gave me hers from the 80s
What these people dont realize is the only ones promoting unrealistic standards is them. The idea that all girls/women "should" be friendly, fresh faced, innocent natural beauties is one of the most dangerous things we tell girls growing up. It trains them to always be sweet and modest in the background especially in the face of what men want/need. Its not about not liking how makeup looks, or even the body types and stuff. its purity culture.
I completely agree. It's pure irony to see these same people say dolls are "training" a kid to act or dress a certain way, when they're the ones actively pressuring kids to act and dress a certain way and always pointing to one style as the "correct" one.
My grandma pushed that purity culture crap on me and it’s put me in some really bad spots over the years. I’m grateful that my mom refused to let grandma do it to my sister too.
0:49. Wait, wait, wait. Hate? Really? I remember, I read article about that artist. And I like it. I liked their face. Because for me Bratz dolls really creepy. Actually I like staring at dolls, but not so much like play with dolls. I love soft toys. Like animals and birds, they are soft and flexible, it is easy to give them natural poses and even depict their mood by tilting their heads. But I confess honestly, I have always disliked these dolls with bright makeup, including because I could not understand their facial expressions. Who they are, what they want. I probably could not give them individuality, as I did with my toys. I didn't have a lot of dolls, I didn't like to play with them so much, although I liked to dress them up and sometimes play an interesting plot. However, I've never had dolls with such bright makeup, maybe that's why they seemed so creepy to me, or maybe it's because of their eyes. And when I read the article, I thought, yes, I like what she did with them. They seemed so cozy and calm. Why don't you guys like them? I mean, isn't it great that they look like some illustrations of children's books?
Okay, I understand fashion dolls are a special culture. Dolls should not be too realistic, unless of course it is a special kind for collectors. But I like the idea of a natural face. Naturalness is not in the sense that it is similar to human, but in the naturalness of expression. Not a fake, not a factitious, natural facial expression.
It goes hand in hand with the foolishness of "this doll gives girls eating disorders!!" No, it doesn't. The parents' attitudes towards fatness and fat people is what gives kids (especially girls) eating disorders. People need to stop blaming dolls for stuff. It's plastic. It doesn't have Make Women Bad hoodoo powers or something.
@@temin2776 some ppl don’t respond well to hyper stylization wherein objects are depicted with exaggeration and are more abstract, and I think you’re one of them.
Personally I don’t get it, I love abstract depictions and it’s like stepping into the shoes of another and witnessing the world as designed by another. We get plenty of reality as it is, so it’s fine to have depictions of people in different ways. It’s all art style. Also, a lot of that abstraction is used in a way to communicate with the audience. And if you’re not getting anything from it, it could freak someone out.
A big reason why ppl prefer hyper stylized dolls is cuz they don’t tread into the uncanny valley, unlike more realistic looking ones.
It’s clear that the communication isn’t working for you, since the facial expression on both dolls are the same thing. You’re only thrown off by the stylization.
Some of the changed dolls are cute, but they also look kinda boring and creepy. There’s also not as much care into making the dolls have some variety, color, or unique aspect. They’re bland, and “realistic” ppl have some unique factor, variety, and color, which really goes into the uncanny valley, since they look realistic but not human. They got the same expression as well, and I have to wonder how a “realistic” face that doesn’t change expression is less creepy than a “not realistic face” that doesn’t change expression. The former is a creepy person staring at you, and the other is more abstract so it’s not as obvious.
I understand your point about the kid illustrations since I assume I’m of a similar gen, but some wont recognize “kids illustration” cuz those change over time. I think these dolls aren’t as pretty as those illustrations.
I think it's so weird that a doll that was clearly modeled after a young woman with a developed body was used to make a custom doll of a pre-pubescent child... It's clearly not supposed to represent a little kid so why are they treating it as if it is?
exactly like the bratz are canonically 15-17
It’s kind of weird......
@@imkuelllgremlin wearing makeup = sexualizing themselves ?
i don't know the true story, but i'd bet that she started to use those dolls only because they were cheap and easy to find in charity shop and flea market, at the time she started her hobby...
@@kissingrazors literally bratz didn’t influence girls to be “sluts” in fact in recent articles bratz has made a good impact in recent fashion trends for teenagers
Not toys made for little girls being sexualized.. kids never thini about dolls that way. Kids just like the fashion, makeup and hair!
CATRA!!!
They're not even sexualized, they're FASHION dolls. Of course they need fashion. That would be like an action figure minus the "action" part.
And DECAPITATION.
It’s only adults who think that way. They should stop taking the fun away from children just because they thought it was ‘inappropriate’.
Well I used to make the boy dolls and the girl dolls like
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But that’s like any growing child who’s curious
Or maybe that’s not normal
BUT I AGREE 100%
I've struggled w body image issues my whole life and Barbie/Bratz dolls had quite literally nothing to do w those issues for me. The ads and models in the teen mags I read had waaaay more of an affect on that.
Also Barbie and other fashion dolls started out skinny not cuz of fatphobia but so the kids could layer clothes on the dolls easily.
I have pretty severe body image issues as well, and although fashion dolls have always been a huge part of my life, they've never been a contributing factor to that. If anything, they've helped allieviate some of it by promoting confidence and self-expression. That's not to say dolls can't ever be contributing factors to body issues, just my personal experience. I think fashion dolls have just been convenient scapegoats for issues with society as a whole that people don't want to dig deeper into because it would mean examining their own biases. It's much easier to say "this thing corrupts our kids" and try to do away with it than it is to acknowledge that the issue at hand is systemic.
there's definitely fatphobia, but that's because our entire society is fatphobic, not some evil plot to corrupt all girls. also all these same people freaked out and said Barbie was promoting "unhealthy lifestyles" when they introduced a doll that represented the average size of a young woman.
My experience with dolls as a kid was mostly with Barbie and the only thing they did was teach my I was bisexual (it actually took much longer to figure it out but my attraction toward them as a kid was definitely a clue lmao)
@@heyna1185 lmao omg absolute same. for some reason my parents like rarely bought us ken dolls so by *necessity* we made our barbies hella gay and as a grown up bi woman I'm like "hmmm that might have been an early sign"
And it’s literally cheaper to produce cause of less materials
I think a lot of people forget that Barbie's body was partly proportioned the way it was at the time so that she could be dressed without losing her figure. Granted the Barbie range is so much more inclusive of body types these days but there is a functional purpose to her original design that gets lost on people.
For sure. You can see in Lammily that her clothes are very ill-fitting and just look impractical for that reason. I think fashion dolls still have a long way to go with body diversity, but Barbie's Curvy body was a great first step to showcasing a larger body that still functions on the scale of a fashion doll.
She picked the most teen oriented doll to make into children… dolls are suppose to be fun and exciting
exactly!
@4Freedom4All These dolls were literally modelled after teens, they had full on books and movies about them, they aren't really sexualised either, that's just the way adults think when they are insecure.
@@Kalani_Saiko Parents just don’t want their kids acting too grown up before their time. It doesn’t have anything to do with insecurity. you seem too young to understand.
@@boo2424 No, I am not, any person who actually payed attention to their children would know that kids like these dolls because they help fuel their imagination, not because they want to look like them. If parents actually played with the kids while they were playing with the dolls they would see that. My parents actually did this when I was a kid, they actually engaged with every one of us kids and there were five of us, I think the parents who believe this stuff have forgotten what it's like to be a child and should at least talk to their kids to understand their own view on the matter rather than reading about what other people think about these things on the internet.
@@Kalani_Saiko You’re right, it isn’t just about the kids wanting to look like that. It can have something to do with teaching kids certain values.
What if the parent has criticism of beauty culture? It isn’t perfect at all.
I got a better one.
What if they simply want to raise their kids to value simplicity or consumerism.
That’s pretty hard to do on it’s own considering modern culture.
I have a problem with most “girl” toys now because the message of blatant consumerism. If I had a kid I’d pick the normal looking dolls not the ones that the core message is just shopping.
It’s cool you guys have a hobby, but you have to live with the fact that not everyone wants to raise THEIR kids to value the same things you do.
If the kid isn’t being abused are they going to be traumatized by not having a certain toy?
You forgot to mention how the Lamilly doll was born from misogyny. It was made by a man who think's being feminine and wearing makeup and having an interest in fashion and other typical things women enjoy is inherently a bad thing, which was why I could not support the idea behind them.
This. I mean, he could’ve had better intentions but it was a flop from the very beginning of the idea.
He's the reason girls have the nlog phase
@@laylamia not the reason, he's just created a new outlet and place to cultivate that phase
I'm glad Lamilly doll never went much ahead
Lammily started as a project to create a doll with a body type that was accurate to the average body type of a woman in the age range of Barbie, something Barbie ended up copying later with their wide range of body types (pretty much just cause they wanted to look progressive and maybe to knock the complaints that made Lammily a thing off). The stupid part about Lammily is that she looked very boring and frumpy since they didn't give her stylish clothes and so on. Making her embody the average girl shouldn't mean making her dull by default.
As a central-asian I’m kinda used to not being represented in media at all, but Bratz dolls to this day have their own little space in my heart. Getting a doll that looks kinda like me and not just a blond girl with blue eyes, made me feel really special and connected to a doll on a whole new level
I remember once I was watching a video from a channel that was less focused on faceups and more on custom outfits, and the lady kept covering up the doll in these miniature bras and towels so she’d be “decent” while she was fitting her with patterns, and then adjusting the pattern if a skirt or a dress was too “revealing” to make her look more modest. I thought it was the weirdest shit, and commented as much. Like, no one cares about plastic titties on a doll if you’re watching a video about custom doll clothes.
She told me she hated it too. Turns out, she’d been harassed by a bunch of weird Christian moms who kept pressuring her to do this shit because “oh my god think of my daughter who watches your videos!!! Her skirt is too short!!!”
You could clearly see her trying to come up with very elaborate fantasy outfits and like, cool amazons, Greek robes, etc… and she still panicked over the doll showing a bit of thigh because Facebook Karens would target her video with nastiness. Often, she just added an underskirt that ruined the look.
Just broke my heart to know that she wasn’t even doing this for herself, seriously.
She should tell those people to get a life and just do what she loves. I would ignore them or even put them on blast for sexualizing a childs toy.
With the excuse that it's for the kids... even tho the kids themselves don't care as long as they get the toy or watch the stuff they like. These moms are always complainign about stuff and pushing their ideals onto kids, creators, and other people. How horrible. For the kids too, to think that they are only treated as a tool / excuse for a grown ass adult to harass somebody for their creative expression?
@@novaangle2183 unfortunately that would probably lose her a lot of activity on her channel, especially if the harassment was so extreme she had to change her channels content. sadly some people really have to prioritize monetisation and ad revenue over what they want to do with THEIR creations
Another doll youtuber I watch covered her thrifted dolls with tape around their chests and crotch before giving them new outfits, since according to her, TH-cam would demonetise a video with naked barbies. If that’s the case then, TH-cam… what the hell?!
Demonetising or censoring videos with actual bare chested or naked women is one thing, but barbies aren’t even “anatomically correct” for god sake!
I will never understand TH-cam’s censorship logic…
I would also worry about TH-cam demonetizing the videos. Like, you would THINK they wouldn't care about plastic boobs, but . . . if it were me I'd slap a bra over those plastic titties too, just in case. Edit: Just read the comment by Brianna, looks like my fears were well-founded, sadly. TH-cam is crazy.
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Yes!! My 4yr old niece knows that barbie can wear make-up and heels and have pink streaks but she can't because barbie is an adult and she is a kid. My niece understands that her toys are toys and not real people so they can look however.
Ikr. Someone just gotta be really stupid to think that a child would be sick warning to look like a doll or anything that isn't real. Kids aren't stupid. I never wanted to look like barbie or Bratz. I simply enjoyed changing clothes and coming up with the craziest plots for playing and loved how detailed they looked, but never actually aimed to Be like them
@@gabsy_ferreira tell me about it! I had barbie, Bratz, my scene, monster high, and ever after high. I was too busy making my dolls go bungee jumping off of the doll house they just bought after having a double destination wedding in Hawaii with a active volcano. Or just changing their clothes for hours because they had so many to choose from!
@@gabsy_ferreira LITERALLY SAME! i wasn’t even thinking about the fact i couldn’t wear the clothing they were wearing i was thinking of how i could beg my parents for more dolls or what was the next story i would have my dolls do.
@@gabsy_ferreira exactly
@@cerisemin yes!
American girl dolls are PERFECT for people wanting a child appropriate and chuld realistic doll. Its so dumb to try and change something into something its not
I agree. American girl dolls were also stupid expensive and creepy.
@@tammypham3984 I personally disagree, in my opinion no dolls are creepy. Yes, american girl dolls are definitely expensive. However I do believe the price is justified and shows in the quality of the dolls. This being said they arent assessable to a lot of people due to price. For that reason I'd recommend our generation or other similar dolls.
@@parkingtondolls5878 im glad my parents never got me an american girl doll, they were scary. Bratz and barbie made us baddies.
@@tammypham3984 they are expensive but there’s a lot of cheaper alternatives now. i personally love our generation and their dolls are extremely diverse. the first time i’ve EVER seen a doll that looks like me was an our generation doll.
Smaller fashion dolls that are kids are Lottie dolls, really nice accessories and concepts
About the 'slutty' dolls, I want to say that a lot of people feel beautiful when they dress up that way. For myself, when I get dressed up and put on makeup, I feel wonderful about myself. I suffer from body image issues and see 'slutty' clothes as a way to break free from my thoughts and feel happy looking in the mirror.
I don't know... I feel awful when thought about makeup. But that because I hate when something on my face. Like lipstick, cream, mask, gel on the hair... I immediately have a feeling that this is something unpleasant. But it's also because I have sensitive skin. It seems to me that cosmetics prevent you from seeing a human face, and this is what helps to establish contact when you look at a face. But this is my feeling, maybe other people don't think so.
This exactly. I was going through a really awful period of body insecurity lately and was feeling disgusting until I wore a “skimpy” outfit to a concert. I genuinely felt beautiful in that moment and realized I shouldn’t be fearing my body.
The examples in the videos and the comments rly shows how misogyny is taught. Kids naturally just treat the dolls like normal dolls/normal girls and don't label they as "slutty". They just see them as some wear this type of clothes and some don't and thats ok! But when we label some dolls are slutty and "natural dolls" as acceptable, kids grow up with that internalized misogyny possibly and start labeling real ppl who dress a certain way as unacceptable
Honestly these kind of freak me out. I feel like they lie within the uncanny valley
they really do... its the big head and small eyes i think
That was my first thing I thought. Like the doll just looks off
they do cause 1. she's not very good at faceup and 2. the heads of Bratz dolls are heavily stylized and kinda need big eyes to work.. when she gives them "normal" sized eyes they look t i n y.
Small eyes, no eyelids, no eyelashes. That's probably why
@4Freedom4All dude calm down your in all of these comments bitching
They are called fashion dolls, fashion is often associated with like runway, or glamor, I never understood why people don't understand that. I was lucky and was allowed to play with Bratz as a kid, my parents never had any issues with the line, because they understood what a fashion doll was. Hell I remember my parents telling me that when I got older and if I wanted to dress like them, that was okay, but only when I was older.
My parents actually preferred Bratz over Barbie, we had a lot more Bratz dolls than Barbie dolls in my house and I didn't have a problem with it.
@@Kalani_Saiko I much preferred Bratz over Barbie, I hated pink as a kid, and in the early 2000s Barbie was only pink, Bratz was always much more diverse, my parents were big fans of that
If I ever got into making old dolls customized I would definitely just go out and get them cheap. Which also means I don't care about what that doll was manufactured for. I would just look for something I like and use it. That simple. Art is supposed to change things.
@@angelannie5708 same
@@angelannie5708 oh, I LOVE pink :(
fashion dolls like Bratz or Monster High molded me into the person i am today- and in absolutely NO way did these “sexual dolls” inspire my sexual growth throughout childhood. they are simply fashionable, i loved how original they were and me being young, i didn’t see them as sexual. however, seeing the adults in my life discourage me from getting them because they were “nasty” or “too grownup” was heartbreaking and caused me to have extreme self esteem issues growing up. people who sexualize girls from a young age are worse than the actual dolls themselves.
I was talking about this with some friends earlier, but something I've noticed after making this video is that this is a experience almost exclusive to people who play with girls' toys. No one tells the kids playing with action figures that they're going to develop body image issues. Which of course kids of whatever gender can play with whatever toy they want, but it seems specifically targeted at young girls. Why aren't they trusted to be able to just have fun with toys uncritically the way young boys are? It fascinates me.
to me, i just think it’s weird to specifically choose Bratz dolls, as they take there makeup and fashion cues from black and latino communities, and to have that be called “hyper sexual” dates back to a lot of old stereotypes that were created to put down women of color.
Well I don't like Bratz at all, but why dolls should represent human? I thought, toys should be something like tabula rasa. Something for your imagination.
@@temin2776 They absolutely do not need to represent humans. But it is important to note when something is inspired by a group of people, and when that element of the design is being hated on. It usually means that that hate is also directed towards that group of people.
Everything anyone makes has inspiration come from somewhere, so it's inevitable that dolls will have inspiration from real people.
@@alicine-sims8988 Actually not always. This most often depends on aesthetic preferences. They are not always associated with hatred. But since dolls are not people, they do not require the same attitude. You can treat a person with blue eyes well, but choose only dolls with green eyes.
@@temin2776 Aesthetic preferences isn't what's being talked about here though, absolutely have your aesthetic preferences. But there is a difference between disliking a dolls appearance and not wanting it for yourself and actively HATING it. They're saying things like, "this doll is a dirty whore." "This doll is a bad role model", etc. That is beyond just disliking the dolls appearance.
I don't like Bratz, I probably will never by a Bratz doll. They have big heads, and the removable feet are weird. I don't think there is anything wrong with them though, they are just for someone else.
Right? Like she’s completely whitewashing them too. I remember in a video, her husband said she took dolls that looked like they were “doing it for others” and changed them into ones that were “doing it for themselves”. Ick.
I kind of hate the narrative that Bratz and Barbie dolls will automatically instil bad values in girls. I had Bratz, Barbie and Winx Club dolls as a kid. You know what I did with them? Change their names to the names of my imaginary friends and take them on magical adventures. Playing with these dolls helped me explore my creativity, something I cherish to this day as a film student who also writes prose stories as a hobby. Also, according to the show and movies, the Bratz are teenagers who run their own successful business together. How is that not impressive and worthy of being considered role models?
Me too! And am a 34 Virgin.. I never was highly sex over them.
The Bratz weren't even supposed to be for little kids... they were supposed to be aimed for kids 12 and older. Then much younger kids ended up being the audience. I had my first Bratz doll when I was 4. I graduated college and I have a great stable job. I ended up fine. If parents are so concerned about how Bratz are dressed, then don't buy them for your kid! no need to make everyone miserable. I didn't think anything sexual about the dolls.
I am mostly your side if you want to understand the other side though we have to look at these dolls in the bigger context. Kids cam play with tgem however they want but in the end the way they looked is still dictated by the people who made them. The make up on these dolls is permanent and in society there is a big pressure on woman to look a certain way and there is the wrong idea that woman naturally care more about their looks than men. So for a girl who doesn't like make up who doesn't care for make up there is still this image conveyed that thats what woman just do and look like because there doesnt seem to be much of an alternatove espiecally back in the day.
American girl dolls are the only one i can think of that arent baby dolls. And those are ibcredibly expensice from what I heard and also not really available in most of the world.
I had Bratz, Barbies and Polly Pockets. Parents instill good and bad values, not dolls.
I remember, I read article about that artist. And I like it. I liked their face. Because for me Bratz dolls really creepy. Actually I like staring at dolls, but not so much like play with dolls. I love soft toys. Like animals and birds, they are soft and flexible, it is easy to give them natural poses and even depict their mood by tilting their heads. But I confess honestly, I have always disliked these dolls with bright makeup, because I could not understand their facial expressions. Who they are, what they want. I probably could not give them individuality, as I did with my toys. I didn't have a lot of dolls, I didn't like to play with them so much, although I liked to dress them up and sometimes play an interesting plot. However, I've never had dolls with such bright makeup, maybe that's why they seemed so creepy to me, or maybe it's because of their eyes. And when I read the article, I thought, yes, I like what she did with them. They seemed so cozy and calm. Why don't you guys like them? I mean, isn't it great that they look like some illustrations of children's books?
Okay, I understand fashion dolls are a special culture. Dolls should not be too realistic, unless of course it is a special kind for collectors. But I like the idea of a natural face. Naturalness is not in the sense that it is similar to human, but in the naturalness of expression. Not a fake, not a factitious, natural facial expression.
When I was a kid I never really payed much attention to the dolls bodies because it didn’t matter. For me all I cared about was the outfits and fashion
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Exactly I was just happy that my monster high dolls could sit down in a chair properly
I just wanted articulated knees tbh
@lawsuit pending lmaoo💀😂
Same thou I also liked that the knees bend and the arms are flexible (in Bratz) and it makes me happy to see dolls like MH and OMG expand on joint movements
For me it was the accessories. The Barbie convertible car, Jeep, and the house hold furniture.
I think people need to really separate sex and children :/ I get the whole "sexualization" thing around fashion dolls for some people... But what we fail to understand is that children don't really care.. They want something they can relate to and play with. A doll that looks like them or some fun ideal of them, a possible character to love, a friend or family member they admire. Adding to the fashionista doll industry or the realistic child one is not wrong... This whole attack on either "side" feels just so wrong to me...
oversexualizing and objectifying women who look a certain way still even after trying not to oversexualize and objectify women
10/10
When I was a kid childlike dolls creeped me out. They were both boring and also had this almost patriarchal aspect to it, in a sense that one of the expected modes of play with them was to play family, make those children dolls YOUR children. And even as a kid I wanted to avoid that.
My favorite dolline growing up and being a teen was probably ever after high, they just had such interesting designs that were telling of character and also had an aethstetic. This is also benefitial for play as in those dolls usually represent teens or adults that play a certain kind of role and not a vague child that you are suppoused to reer. I'd be a lot more comfortable with dolls meant to look like kids if they had intresting designs or a certain kind of shtick to them, a gimmic if you will (like how monsterhigh were well monsters and ever after were fairytale beings).
This case kind of gives me a vibe of a parent seeing their child be intrested in dolls and then wildly projecting onto it. As a kid I didnt want to play with samey looking toddlers my grandma would get me, but I was OBSESSED with my barbie Shakira because she was super fun.
I disliked baby dolls growing up for the same reason. I didn't want dolls that looked like me or would be my kids... I wanted to enact the 12-act lesbian romance murder mystery soap opera of my own creation. Can't do that with baby dolls.
@@DarlingDollz valid!! My dolls were also lesbian as hell.
I wasn't big on childlike dolls as a kid either, though for me I think it was mostly because I wasn't interested in using dolls to act out kid scenarios. Teen and adult dolls were more fun because they could do things that I as a kid could not. Those dolls could drive cars, go to parties, have cool careers, own houses, have more drama in their lives.
That's very true, about child-like dolls being "boring." I remember not liking American Girl dolls that much (aside from a brief obsession when I was 11), and it's only really now that I realize why
@@DarlingDollz that's exactly what I did!!! lol
We gonna ignore the fact there’s ethnic features and blemishes erased in these dolls?
I recall she did Yasmín and removed her beauty mark and like….lots of kids have beauty marks?
she also made her skin lighter....
I agree that she whitened them but bratz never had blemishes, I mean a beauty mark is barely considered a blemish, especially near the eye
i don't really get what you are talking about? i feel like her dolls have way more distinct ethnic features than the original face bratz dolls have? like her east asian dolls actually look east asian
She completely remade them, she's not recreating the character so yes, she's going to erase the characteristics of the characters.
Idk if she's hindu or sikh but she's literally indian. It's not like she's a white woman whitewashing dolls
As a kid, my Bratz dolls were my friends, and it really upset and angered me that people would say such vile things about them. I still dislike when people call them whores, etc. I remember reading an article saying that Bratz dolls should come with pretend birth control, etc. I just think that's really gross to think that about something that I, a child at the time Bratz were popular, saw as a fun toy and a friend. It's also disgusting to make these assumptions on women based on how they dress and how they look. I used to be in the Sims community too, and I made Sims inspired by my Bratz. Well people told me my Sims were whores too! I was a teenager at this point. It just goes to show a really gross mindset.
You made excellent points in this video and I feel pretty much the same about Tree Change Dolls.
i used to have a fuck ton of bratz when i was like 8 and not once did i think they were sexual.i treated them just as i would treat all of my other doll and i thought that they were beautiful and had no problem with their outfits seeing that they toned them down realy made me sad
When I was a kid, I had Leonardo date April. Michaelangelo was always jealous. 😄
Me too.
If parents want a more child- realistic doll, there are lines like Lottie, these doll have much more realistic proportions, great attention to detail and make a genuine effort to be inclusive. And, to their credit, Barbie have made concerted efforts to improve diversity in their doll lines. I'm not personally a fan of Bratz, simply because I find them ugly, but I'm not gonna wail on people who do love them because, you know, life is too short.
@4Freedom4All Genuinely do not know what is wrong with you. The only person who seems to be mad here is you, who keeps replying to ANY comments singing Bratz's praise; why is that? Why do you hold such a grudge against Bratz? No one said Bratz pioneered diversity, they just said that Bratz is diverse in general. Just because Barbie was the first diverse doll does not mean she is the _only_ diverse doll. From calling the clothes of the Bratz dolls sexual to saying damn _makeup_ in inherently sexual, you've been making a lot of bad takes. It's obvious the people who buy TC's dolls are slutshaming karens. If they think having a curvy body with full lips and makeup IMMEDIATELY means they're sexualized that is not the brand's problem, that is the consumer's problem. At no point does a child think a doll is extremely sexual until an adult plants that in their head. She's not doing this for the children, and that is obvious. She's doing it to tear down Bratz as a brand and slander their products because she doesn't like them. If Barbie or Monster High were cheaper, she would instead be slandering them. Stop defending her. You look dumb.
There are a lot of girl-like dolls out there. American Girl's are pretty popular.
@@CreamyWaxGun THANK YOU! We SERIOUSLY need more people like you nowadays 🙏
I feel like American girl dolls would work too
@4Freedom4All Hun, it doesn't matter that Barbie made black dolls first. When you think of barbies, you think of the blonde barbie doll. Barbie is a brand marketed for white people from the beginning. The face of barbie is white. A blonde white woman with big boobies and a tiny ass.
The general public does NOT think "oh yes black barbie" and even if they DID barbie is not black, barbie is white. The entire brand of barbie is based off of a white character. The black barbies do not have names that are remembered nor relevant because at the end of the day they are ALL behind the shadow of blonde blue eyed Barbie.
The difference is that Bratz was marketed 4 from the start. We actually know the names of 4 dolls with 4 distinct races instead of juse calling them all what the blonde one's name is. We don't call bratz Chloe dolls because they are not all Chloe. Bratz marketed a group instead of an individual. That makes Bratz as a brand- infinitely more diverse, because Barbie hides it's diversity behind their pretty little white girl doll and sends out more races ONLY because people start talkinh and they realized they can make more money. Blatant racism isnt good for business. OF COURSE THEY MADE BLACK DOLLS. Why wouldn't they??? That doesn't automatically make them diverse.
Bratz made sure that their diversity was shown EVERYWHERE in their brand from packaging, to films, to the show, to the merch.
Barbie released a few dolls here and there in the early days, has no POC in any of her old movies, and now has a doll line of more diverse races. So? Do i see kids saying they are about to get the latest Japanese barbie? No. Because they're not. Because Barbie is not marketed as diverse. Its marketed as barbie. That super duper diverse line is simply there because they have to have it now for face. No one is running to the store to get themselves a native american barbie. You ever think about why you even have to educate people about Barbie? Because Barbie as a brand doesn't do it. They do not care. They care about not looking racist and getting their money.
Bratz has always made sure at least a couple races could easily find a doll they relate to- and at the very forefront of their brand- not hiding behind a blonde white girl doll. Thats what real diversity is. Not a blonde main character and her besties on the side. Equality.
i agree completely. fortunately, my mom thought it was cute and was a better representation of what Black girls were wearing as well as our facial features. There was a time where she only would buy my sister something that wasnt Bratz or Myscene if she specifically asked for it. My main problem with make-under dolls is there blatant white-by-default mindset. "Of course no one on earth would naturally have fuller lips. etc." And most of the time they ignore certain racial characteristics and end up making them all look like white people in black/red/yellow face. But then again, these dolls are targeted toward people with enough disposable income to buy a 100$ doll for a kid to play with. With that itself already cuts most Black people out of the target demographic, what did we expect...
Seriously, it’s stupid that fuller lips or naturally big boobs are sexualized.
Like??? There’s millions of people who have those traits, in what way is that not “natural”?
@@user-jm6cl6fj1l exactly
@@itsallperspective7415 i think they were just saying the traits of the face, like how people in northeast asia have thinner eyes, and are usually smaller. So when they mean black people have similar characteristics to bratz dolls, they mean their lips are fuller and stuff. It's like overemphasizing them ( not every african/asian/white/arabic/etc. person looks like it, it's just most of the time ig )
@@itsallperspective7415 it’s really not, I’ve seen dolls that resemble people, in what way is that rude?
@@itsallperspective7415 So your mom didn't allow self expression, good to know.
5:18 “minimal makeup” omg she’s literally wearing a full face of makeup. The only difference between her makeup and bratz dolls’ makeup is that hers only uses neutral tones. It sucks because a lot of people hold women to a standard of “natural beauty” that’s actually just... neutral tone makeup. And then claim women who dont wear makeup look sickly or tired.
It shouldn't be about teaching young girls to avoid makeup and flashy clothes, it should be about teaching how to use makeup and clothes to express themselves and respect others despite what anyone may look like. Teach them how to dress for themselves not for a man, parent, or otherwise. Teach them you can or don't have to wear makeup, it's up to them what they are uncomfortable with.
Bratz was a doll line created to get tweens to still buy dolls. I was not a Bratz fan when they came out, however I would not entertain having a Tree Change doll in my house, The original Bratz would always get my vote and I have Monster High, Ever After High, Pedigree Sindy and DC Super Hero girls plus a few others.
These "makeunder" repaints honestly feel oddly personal to me. I was a weird kid and bratz made me feel like I could be myself at least a little bit each day when playing with them at the comfort of my own room. This feels like theyre wiping away everything that I love and that means so much to me about the dolls and I feel like i'm not the only one with these feelings and that's why so many people are pissed.
To quote bratz themselves here at the end cause I think it's a beautiful quote (from the bratz rock angels music album): Dress the part of how you feel, be the one you know is real, cause you're perfect just the way you are, stand out❤️
I love that song so much!! Anyone who calls the Bratz poor role models CLEARLY didn't listen to their album bc those bangers have some incredible messages
Same like bratz was one of the few dolls that I could see myself in. Growing up in a really white area it was nice to see someone like me they where my comfort. So to see them turned into something that is the opposite of that.
I know that its just plastic and the lady is at no fault and I'm probably reading to much into it but yeah it's just a bummer to see.
I always loved Bratz. I was the kid in school who liked all my dad's music (the clash, the Ramones, obscure bands like the tragically hip). I thought when the pretty n punk Bratz dolls were released, I was in literal heaven. Their fashions were cool and memorable. I loved doing the outfit combos and brushing their hair. Their cultural differences were way cooler as I could get Jade and Sasha to join their friends. They had so many options and cool fashions to mix and match to create
Yes these repaints hurt my inner child, I LOVED BratZ
Honestly you can do a natural faceup without making it weird omg
honestly i feel like realistic fashion dolls are avoided because it can so easily fall into the uncanny valley. realism works for collector dolls or brands like integrity dolls because they have the budget to make the dolls LOOK realistic, and with fashion dolls, the budget can really harm a realistic dolls appearance and make them look creepy and land straight in the uncanny valley. obviously its a case by case situation, but that can often negatively affects sales due to the disdain for an uncanny valley affect, and even if it is just a chance, its a chance that many companies dont want to risk - hence the dramatized facial features and overall unrealistic appearances you see in brands
My mom didn't buy me bratz dolls for two reason, she didn't like how their feet came off and how easy it was to lose said feet. Her other reason was that i chewed on things to much and I could easily choke on the feet if i decided to chew on them.
now _That_ is a valid reason not to buy a doll X''D
my mom said cuz she didn’t want me to be a brat
What i can’t stand about those doll repaints are the eyes. Im Sorry to say this but, people have different eye shapes than only “round” and even if you don’t wear makeup you still have eyelashes, just not a need for them to be pitch black. It just looks weird having eyes with no eyelashes. Then you got the size of them. Some of them have too small eyes for the head which makes them look really beady eyed. It just looks wrong. So for me. I don’t like the look of those faces. They are creepy to me. As a kid I definitely wouldn’t look at that and say i wanted one.
You also have eyebrows and eyelashes
i really dont like when they remove eye lashes, it dosent even have to be on dolls ( have you seen the disney princesses without makeup edits) it just looks stange maybe adding shorter or lighter colord eyelashes would fix the problem.
@4Freedom4All it's my personal opinion on it. No need to freak so much out over it. Besides the problem i have with it is how it's being phrased as being "realistic" looking, when it's far from it.
I also want to point out that the character Jade even had a slightly more slanted shape of eyes, even in the original Bratz because she was indeed Asian. While still being on brand with their style of face and makeup, they still managed to be inclusive with race.
Let people have their own opinions on things. If you like how they look, then all the good for you. But others who don't like them are allowed to have their opinion and criticism on them.
@4Freedom4All ??? I didn’t insist that all asians have slanted eyes?? Please don’t twist my words or take them out of context. I was just praising them for actually being pretty accurate enough to give the character a difference eyeshape, to fit her ethnicity and background. It would have been worse if it had just assumed her to be chinese or korean based on a dolls eyeshape, when i don’t know where she is supposed to be from. Because a lot of people from Asia, does indeed have different eyeshapes, in case you didn’t know. So just assuming all people with slanted eyes to be Chinese is even worse. So i said “Asian” in order to not assume shit. Not that i was insisting that all Asians have slanted eyes…
A lot of doll brands haven’t had the best history of being inclusive to all kinds of ethnicities, different eye shapes, skin tones, hair and clothes. And it’s really not such a bad thing that some of us actually praise those who actually try to be inclusive, especially for their time. Something this repaint job didn’t even take into consideration. Having 75% of the main dolls to be of colour, was BIG back in the day, especially when they even made small differences such as the eyes. The Bratz dolls is starting to become a seemingly old brand of dolls now, and even Barbie back in the day, didn’t have much variety. At least none that actually sold well. And you’d be a fool to deny actual facts. Sure Mattel nowdays have more variety in their skin tones on dolls, but that haven’t always been the case. Don’t compare todays standards of new dolls being made to dolls that were created decades ago.
And lastly i am more than allowed to give criticism on their design based on my OPINION. So please LEAVE if you don’t share any of my views, instead of acting so extremely immature by trying to pick a fight with someone for having different views and opinions on something than you do. You are more than allowed to like them. I really couldn’t give more shit about your opinion or views. I just stated my opinion, which didn’t harm anyone, or attacked anyone who liked them, in a place that was open for that kind of criticism.
GROW UP. People are allowed to not like something just because you do.
I really don’t have time to waste with a person who only twists my words to fit their narrative, and continues to argue with someone over something so pointless as their opinions on dolls. Dear lord
Edit: Just to add, im not even attacking the woman for her passion for creating these dolls. In any case, im more impressed that she is so determined to make a change in how toys meant for children are actually being made, and how they look. In fact my criticism on this is actually something so extremely minor, that it shouldn’t even matter to you not to anyone what i think. You are just making something big out of nothing, just because someone didn’t like them. Which i am are allowed to do.
You are free to think that the complaints are unfair and whatnot, but it’s really not ok to attack others for it.
@4Freedom4All the more i go through this comments section the more f-ed up and creepy you get. can you just, i dunno, _not_ for a little while? like, as your daily "nice thing" to the world just quit harassing people and quit lying and if at all possible quit being a biotruther? you aren't helping anyone not even yourself and you are actively impressing on people that tree change is bad by virtue of being represented by someone who has shamed, disparaged, talked over, invalidated and insulted several people. you are, as the kids call it, part of the problem :/
The reason I disliked them was because they were actually ugly. Like they stripped things back too much. There was no depth to their faces, no emotion and no eyelashes? So kids just don't have lashes now? It was so frustrating as a doll lover. Especially since I was a teenager when Sonja started her dolls and she DID advertise to our parents and only started back tracking when the media was contacting her.
exactly!! and it’s because the features the dolls have are so unnatural, which i love personally for the brats, you cannot had such big clonkly heads and then put “natural” features on them and expect them to look good. i would never personally play with them as a child.
I kept being put off by the way the dolls look and your comment made me realize it. It's the blank face and no eyelashes. Where are the eyelashes
Edit: putting more thought into it, I think the eyelash argument is a bit weak, my own mother has barely visible eyelashes so I don't know where I was going with that. I do still agree with the blank face argument, which honestly probably put me off more than the eyelashes
@@the_unholynjh3513 yep, and they literally have the bratz kids dolls, why doesn’t she use them instead, ya know?
I've always compared it to those people who edit disney princesses to have no makeup and they just remove the eyelids, eyelashes and eyebrows completely, eyebrows aren't always drawn on lmao
@4Freedom4All i also feel lately has been the same old discrimination against women who don't like to wear makeup, but repackaged into "if you don't like it you are boring and slut shaming AMD being sexist!" I mean... there's no denying big companies are making a big buck selling makeup to girls (everytime a little bit younger...) who sometimes feel self conscious about not wearing it!
I mean, i'm a butch lesbian. I was told multiple times i'm plain looking, that i would look better with a bit of make-up, and i know lots of companies won't even hire women who DON'T wear make-up or high heels, and everyone on tv and social media is always wearing it like a requirement, so you end up thinking you MUST wear it to not be some kind of social outcast.
Maybe giving young the option to play with dolls that don't have Make-Up 24/7 isn't so bad? I know I would have loved it back those days! (And maybe some people want to actually "boringly" raise chickens in a farm, or maybe you want to dig up fossils on a cliffside, go to Jupiter or be a field researcher on Marine biology... or maybe just be yourself and have a boring city dweller job and go buy those cute Shoes without Make-Up on )
Yeah, I feel the same way about a lot of the "realistic" types of dolls. It's not an inherently bad idea but a lot of them are born out of malice towards dolls rather than love or understanding. And because of that, those doll lines usually end up doing poorly. A doll made from hatred of dolls is going to be an unappealing doll. They don't understand or care about why kids like to play with dolls or how they play with them, they just want to appeal to insecure adults.
Yea these insecure adults need a... therapist, psychologist, mental institute, mental help, you name it. Not doll companies running around frantically tryna meet their demands.
I have an issue with blaming artists like Sonia or toy makers, or media for "sending the wrong message." It's the parents that need to send the right message, not people trying to express themselves creatively. Talk to your kids!
what i think my problem is, is that those types of dolls exist already. she could be doing repaints on those childlike dolls instead of implying that bratz is bad for being more teen/young adult orientated
bratz are for teens and young adults? Uh... children do play with them. It's marketed towards kids... And the only people who seem to be making her customs out to be about sex or makeup is everyone but the artist. You are also doing this even though there is no statement behind the making of the doll. It reminds me of when a artist makes art does the meaning behind that art belong to the artist or the public? Most of the time the public will put their own meanings on the piece of art depending on the social issues of that time.
tbh it'd be better if she went for the middle ground and painted them similarly except not tried to erase the fact that they're teens because girls who don't want to turn into fashion makeup obsessed teenage mean girls just because they hit puberty don't really have a lot of toys that reflect that experience/aspiration, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be a bratz doll as a teen except that it was kind of presented as the only option when I was growing up unless you wanted to be completely socially rejected
@4Freedom4All I just want to be extremely clear that aside from a nostalgic fascination with them I really don't care about bratz dolls and I honestly dislike the effect their cultural presence had on me as a child more than any nostalgic interest could really make up for, but that's kind of beside the point because all I will ever argue for when it comes to dolls is more variety because as a kid I always had to sort of "repurpose" dolls to fit into the games I wanted to play because I wasn't a girly girl but I always hated the way people thought that meant I wouldn't want to play with dolls, I just wanted more dolls that were all different. I pretty much agree with all the comments of yours that I read, people are allowed to customise dolls however they want and arguing that dolls are teen oriented or supposed to be exciting or about self expression while bashing a person for their style of customisation as though it's only self expression or exciting when it fits a very specific mould is stupid, people are all different and there isn't anything wrong with a person customising dolls how they want to just because someone else prefers their dolls to look a different way
@4Freedom4All the one thing I would clarify though is that when I was talking about aspirational teen dolls I was specifically annoyed that all dolls for girls are very feminine and pink and sparkly, I loved my barbies but I never really liked pink as a kid and I always felt like I was being told that I could be anything I want as long as I'm pretty and sparkly and feminine while I do it, and I was a massive tomboy so I didn't like that at all. I wanted dolls that were girls and were for girls and that looked like grown ups who were also like me, tomboys, not covered in pink and makeup and glitter, I just don't see why they couldn't give barbie a friend like that you know? There's nothing wrong with being girly or with being a tomboy and the two can be friends that have their own preferences without either invalidating or belittling the other, the tomboy can like fashion without liking pink and barbie can be a scientist without having to leave the pink behind, I want dolls like that to exist.
I played with Bratz when I was 7
She destroyes the purpose of Bratz dolls , it's about self expression and creativity and not boring basic farm life
😭😭😭😂😂😂😂
She says they're "sexual" dolls because of makeup i can't 😭💀
@Ania Ssor because they still represent monster high dolls. They dont take the whole idea of monster high away. They just altered them. This woman is changing bratz dolls completely. They are even bratz anymore. Thats the point they are trying to make.
@@kaydencemyers7212 but why do everyone cares? She's happy what she's doing and that's it
@Mari moon exactly she is one of those Karen’s who sexualize femininity basically what I see Bratz is, is a figure to young teens or kids or so as something as role model for femininity tree change dolls portray women to be sophisticated and perfect and not empowering like Bratz is
My gripe is that she whitewashes so many of them. Her idea of purity and child appropriate toys seems to be very much based on western/white beauty standards.
Tree change dolls expectations: re-open the discussion with how media and society teaches girls and women to follow and live up to harmful expectations that causes severe mental and physical health problems and how girls and women should be judged and valued based on their looks and how we need to change that.
Tree change dolls reality: the discussion is filled with misogynistic language in which girls and women are judged and valued based on their looks...
Annoying that these people think they are arguing for women's rights when they are just being another type of misogynist. It's never okay to harass ANYONE regardless of looks. The problem that fashion dolls present is a lack of diversity and emphasis of the importance of looks in a culture were women too often are treated entirely based on their looks, yet the discussion the Tree change dolls fans are having is THE SAME objectifying bs just with slutshaming instead. Making those dolls not at all better than fashion dolls as it's just the other end of the objectification coin. On one end we have Bratz and Barbie with unrealistic proportions reflected by societal standards for women and on the other end we have dolls in which women aren't allowed bodily agency, because that is what these comenters are saying when praise the fact that these women are "pure, with little to no make-up". And you are right that those comments are disgusting on videos with child looking dolls, and just calling Bratz-dolls sluts and w**res... just stop.
Are you kidding me? More "child-like" dolls are not what we need right now. We need more edgy dolls like Monster High! We need to show both children and doll collectors that edgy/goth styles are just as beautiful as trendy ones.
exactly! I don't know why adults think children and tweens want to play with toys that look their age? I never did, and no one I was friends with did.. the child-like toys were always seen as lame.
I always wanted dolls that looked like teens or young adults, and I'd paint scales and tattoos on them - I wish I had Monster High when I was a kid cause I would've loved them (but they came out when I was in my early twenties... still bought some)
Or just alternative fashion in general. I want dolls in sweet lolita fashion.
@@neu_dae Right. I swear adults are so clueless as to what children are actually interested in, which is bogus to me bc they were once kids themselves? Kids want to play with cool looking toys. They want all the interesting colors, bold faces/decor, fashionable clothes and acessories. Not freaky realistic kiddie dolls that are nothing more than tiny clones of their everyday classmates.
You don't have to buy her art and you also don't have to attack it just because you don't like it. She likes making dolls out of cheap second hand ones and there is nothing wrong with that. She sells it online and not in local stores. Do you think kids somehow buy themselves toys on etsy? It's mostly adults and guess what? All these doll artists main clients are not children...
@@novaangle2183 Nobody in this comment thread was attacking her or her art. You're going on a pointless tirade. Everyone in this thread just said they wish there was more alternative fashion representation. There are lots of "natural" dolls on the market right now, but very few representing fashions the mainstream considers "weird". Somebody having a desire for a different style of doll is not an attack on "natural" looking dolls.
I like the idea behind the Tree Change Dolls. I just find the size of the eyes to be too small for their heads. Bratz dolls aren’t proportioned like real people. They are absolutely supposed to be 3D cartoon characters. They should be proportioned like cartoon characters.
Other than that? I adore what she’s trying to do.
Before, I bought into the (Twitter/Tumblr) idea that barbie was like a symbol of racism and colorism in America because she represented what America would deem as beautiful.
Whenever I saw her, I thought of her as a sickness of the olden days of America that needed to be fixed or destroyed and forgotten about.
I didn't have a deep hatred for barbie, it's just that I believed what people thought about her and left it at that.
It wasn't until my mom bought it for me as a joke gift for Christmas that I realized.
Barbie was just a doll, yeah she was white and I was black, but she was a doll I used to enjoy playing with and do her hair.
So I did just that, played with her and dyed her hair. It was fun.
If you want to make a childlike doll, Skipper is a good choice. Why not use her or the similar ones?
Or even the actual kid bratz dolls, they actually had kid versions of the dolls
@@Kalani_Saiko yeah but their big heads would be just as freaky with this art style
@@alize0623 I agree, they would still look freaky
ig cause lack of supply- most of her dolls are preloved/used
@@lianna9492 skippers are sold in lots online for $25.
I'll admit, as someone who wasn't that super into bratz. Or even just dolls in general (I had some as a kid. But I was more into Plushies/Stuffed-Animals growing up.), I'll admit that I didn't have much of a problem with the Tree Change dolls at first. But as I started becoming more and more involved with the doll hobby, I got a bit of an understanding of where many Bratz fans and collectors who didn't care for the "makeunder" movement that Tree Change helped create were coming from.
I'd say another problem with Tree Change dolls is that their whole gimmick/brand relies heavily on being the "better/improved version of the bad/problematic" Bratz doll and doesn't really offer much outside of that. Cause even among the "sweet, modest, & wholesome" dolls the toymakers and designers try to offer more beyond just being the antithesis of their more fashion-forward counterparts.
A good example to this is Lottie dolls, a line that has similar goals to Tree Change (Being the more "sweet & wholesome" counterpart to Fashion Dolls as well as appealing more to kids who aren't interested in fashion or beauty.). But does it better imo. There's also Creatable World, Fresh dolls, Cave Club, & the Disney Princess dolls.
I was into dolls for a short period of time but i was more into lps tbh
@4Freedom4All Lots of people seem to get all up in arms over one artist doing her thing for enjoyment and taking a liking to one kind of doll body that is easy to find.
@4Freedom4All Okay, first off, never did I said that I was a Bratz fan by any means (I like and respect them for what they are. But I'm not invested in the brand enough to want to collect them. I honestly prefer OMG & Nanana as far as MGA doll lines go.). So don't come at me like I'm some rabid Bratz stan.
And second, most people here don't give a crap that she's repainting the dolls themselves (Except maybe hardcore collectors. But that's a problem for EVERY fandom.). Doll repainting/customizing has been a popular practice in the doll community for a long time now. Some of them also go for a similar wholesome/Kid-Friendly aesthetic that Tree Change has. So it's obvious to anyone that it's not the fact that she's repainting the dolls to look sweeter that is the issue here. What IS an issue was the fact that she got so much attention from various media and news outlets as well as parents that consistently praised her and her project as if she's doing something revolutionary when she's really not doing anything that others in the doll hobby (Many being mothers themselves.) haven't already been doing. Had it not been for all the news coverage and attention from parents that she got, I can guarantee that nobody (Or at least the majority.) of the doll community would even care about this woman and her work.
Also, there's the fact that our society still believes in the idea that girls who wear makeup and are more fashion-forward are slutty/stuck up/don't hold any value to society. A mindset that many supporters of the Tree Change dolls seem to have.
@4Freedom4All I never denied that there were Bratz stans hating Sonia & TC. All I’m saying is that I can understand where part of the hate is coming from. And not everybody here who is criticizing Tree Change & the message & mindset they (unintentionally) encourage hates them specifically nor are advocating for them to stop. Many of the top comments tend to emphasize that they don’t have a problem with TC or the concept of sweet and innocent dolls. Heck, the person who uploaded this very video made it known that people in the doll community don’t have a problem with TC in of itself. But more of the mindset that it (Again, unintentionally) encourages thru their supporters & consumer base. Which is obviously not Sonia’s fault. But sadly, that’s what happens when something gets public attention. Especially if it helps push someone else's agenda.
Thinking that children should have innocent and natural-looking dolls isn’t the issue. But the fact of the matter is that many of the people who support Tree Change don’t do it because they see it as an alternative, they do it because they think that ALL dolls should be sweet and natural-looking regardless of whether or not the child would actually like the doll itself. Because they don't see dolls as anything more than just something for a child to play with.
And yes. A parent is allowed to get their child only baby/childlike dolls if that's what they feel is appropriate. But that doesn't mean that their children are gonna play with it. Because as much as many folks don’t want to hear it, children are not a monolith and aren't always going to play with something just because their parent buys it for them. You can give them as many wholesome dolls as you’d like. But at the end of the day, it's up to the child whether or not they're going to play with it. Some of them will. but some of them won't. Because each child is still an individual with their own tastes and opinions. Even if their minds aren’t developed enough to articulate them properly. Also, I never once said that someone can’t be fashion-forward without dressing in revealing clothing. Heck, if you look up the original first edition Bratz dolls, most of them BARELY showed any skin. And even in later lines, there were dolls that were more covered up. Yet still fashionable. But that’s the kind of mindset many critics of Bratz (And fashion dolls in general.) tend to have. Cause a lot of them tend to associate wearing makeup and dressing in "revealing" clothing with being sexual regardless of the context.
I can understand why someone would be concerned with the messages sent to kids through TV and from the environment, they grew up in (Especially a parent.). But I’d say in cases like dolls (And even video games to a lesser extent.) children have a bit more control and autonomy over what they can do with the doll. Because the whole concept of playline dolls (And just toys in general.) is to give children a chance to explore their imagination and encourage creativity. That’s not to say that dolls like TC can’t encourage that too. It's just that a doll can be used for more than just beyond what they are marketed as. So I don’t think it’s JUST about parents wanting more “sweet/child-friendly” alternatives for kids. Because if there was, Why aren’t the parents who criticize fashion dolls also worried about action figures? Like how toy lines like Transformers & GIJOE or even Marvel/DC Superhero action figures have an unintentional “pro-war/violence solves everything” message. And how the marketing of these toys rely heavily on combat and destruction as a selling point? Why aren’t parents advocating for a more boy equivalent of TC for their sons like how people are doing so for their daughters? (Especially since topics like Toxic Masculinity & Gender as a whole have been major hot topics nowadays.). Because I honestly think it would be more productive to discuss how toys as a whole can affect and shape a child's worldview. But it seems like Fashion dolls are the only kind of toy that gets talked about in these discussions. And I say this as someone who pushes for more diversity in toys in general. So it's not like I don't agree that dolls don't have some degree of influence on kids. But I also recognize that children still have more control over how dolls are used beyond what they were marketed as. Especially when compared to the media they consume, the environment they grow up in, and the people who raise them. All of which IMO have WAY more of an influence on children.
Just because something is popular doesn’t mean there aren’t people calling for things to be ban. Just look at Pokemon, it was practically THE top-selling franchise among kids. Yet that didn’t stop parents from taking an issue with it and calling for it to be banned when it first came out in the states. Heck, I recently found a petition to ban Nanana Surprise & LOL Surprise dolls for similar reasons. So the thought of adults trying to ban Bratz from store shelves isn’t too far-fetched to me.
Again. It’s not so much Sonia & TC themselves people have a problem with. It’s the fact that they (unintentionally. Since again, I recognize that Sonia didn’t intend to do this. Nor does she have any control over how others see her work.) enable the idea that a doll that wears makeup, high heels, and miniskirts is sexual regardless of the context. Also, I don't think the “It’s only a problem if you make it a problem” argument works here. Because that can just as easily apply to the parents who criticized the Bratz dolls in the first place.
Like this: "A doll that’s main selling point is having a passion for fashion doesn’t automatically mean it’s “Pushing kids to grow up fast.” or to become materialistic. But the fact that parents took the original message in that way says more about them than the children and adult collectors who are fans of these dolls."
I agree that Sonia shouldn't be attacked for doing what she does. But to simplify the discourse surrounding TC & the people who support it as just folks getting butthurt over their favorite dolls being repainted is a rather unproductive way of looking at it. Especially if you're in the same breath trying to get people to understand WHY parents would have an issue with BRATZ as a brand and what they stand for.
@4Freedom4All But that “One mom in Tasmania” also got a lot of attention from parents and media outlets. Again, if Sonia didn’t get all this attention in the first place, no one would care. A video’s title doesn’t always give a good idea of the actual video’s subject matter (I mean, the term “clickbait” is a thing for a reason.). Most people (And I’m talking about the doll community in general. Not just this comment section.) don’t hate Tree Change nor Sonia nor even the concept of sweet and innocent dolls. We just don’t like the idea that it (I say this the millionth time: UNINTENTIONALLY) helps fester. I get that a lot of the people who post these negative comments are being jackasses. But their opinion on TC isn’t any more of a reflection of the doll community as a whole than those in the community who support it (Yes they do exist.). But if the vile spewed from stans is the only thing you’re harping on, then I don’t know what to tell you. Because rabid and toxic stans are an issue for every community and fandom. And the doll community is (sadly) not immune from having sh*theads. But I'd rather people who are anti-TC voice their disagreements among their own pages than take it out on Sonia directly. (i.E. harassing her via DMs or doxx her, or send death threats her way.)
Okay, first off, never once did I mention that women don’t wear makeup in a sexual manner. As I’m sure there are many who do. What I’m saying is that too many people associate wearing makeup & “revealing clothing” with ONLY sexuality, which a lot of parents who criticize fashion dolls like Bratz & Barbie tend to be among those people. Makeup can be more than just a tool to enhance beauty, it can also be a work of art and expression of creativity. (Also the whole “wearing makeup to attract the opposite sex” statement is.….a very heteronormative way of looking at things. But that’s a different topic that I’d rather not get into.). I won’t deny that the way that Bratz market themselves DOES play into that to an extent. But as I mentioned before, the way a child plays with their toys isn’t completely bound to how they are advertised. And it’s not like there haven’t been attempts to make dolls that aren’t fashion-focused (DC Superhero Girls, Lottie, Marvel Rising). Heck, MGA themselves have made a couple (Ex: Yummiland, Lalaloopsy, Moxie Girlz, Project MC2, & even Bratz themselves had a “parent-friendly” reboot back in 2015.). There have been attempts in the past decade to make more innocent & childlike dolls. But like with toys like My Buddy, a lot of them have been major flops as well. Or at the very least weren't as successful as brands like Barbie, MH, etc.
But I’ve never denied that dolls don’t have ANY influence. As I’ve emphasized that I do recognize that dolls do have some degree of influence on the children who play with them. And I’m sure many people in the doll community (Including the folks in this very comments section.) would agree with you to some extent. Many of us have been advocating for more diversity in doll lines for a while now. But we also recognize the way that a doll (And just a toy in general.) can influence a child varies. And it’s a lot more complicated than what parents who are against Bratz think it is.
Also, some of them DO believe that ONLY dolls have an influence on their children all while ignoring how the media and even how they as parents might unintentionally play a role in that.
I know that people weren’t calling to ban them. I was just stating that I disagree with the idea that nobody is calling to ban a product just because it was popular. And I never mentioned anything about people calling for Bratz to be banned. I just said that the IDEA of parents calling for them to be banned is not that far-fetched. That doesn’t mean there are people calling to ban them. It just means that I wouldn’t be shocked if it DID happen. And yes, Sonia herself isn’t a threat. But again, the hate is not (completely)about Sonia herself nor even TC. And no one with any sense sees her as a threat. But they see how the mindset she unintentionally encourages can be harmful. If you don’t see a problem with what Ms. Singh is doing, that’s fine and dandy. But simplifying anyone who may take issue with what she’s doing as just being mindless fanbrats is just as toxic as simplifying anyone who doesn’t care for Bratz as being uppity Karens & Kevins (Which I'm also against. Because I'm someone who isn't that big of a Bratz stan personally.). As it does nothing but discourages nuance and discussion from both sides of this argument.
I think a lot of the hate for Bratz dolls might also be misdirected fear of the kinds of creepy adults who fetishize minors. Just a theory.
It was.
thank you for addressing the misogyny and shaming rooted in the argument about fashion dolls. Barbie has had it the absolute worst for decades, which always blew my mind because iirc she's always supposed to be inspirational for young girls? shes had hundreds of jobs from space explorer to vet practitioner to professional gymnast. Barbie was portrayed as an astronaut before the first woman even went to space! but people shit on and are fearful of this doll because of her stylized proportions, bright makeup, and fashion centric aesthetic. tearing down trendy fashion dolls while trying to raise up '100% natural realistic no-makeup' dolls is detrimental to kids in my eyes. not only can an imbalance like that have an impact on a child's self esteem, it can have an impact on their creativity and self-expression as well. Barbie, Bratz, MyScene, and Monster High dolls are just as important as American Girl and Cabbage Patch Kids dolls
Dolls are art pieces to me, even an a child I tended to take a lot of care of them and never loose accessories. I just admired them so much, I'm almost 18 now and I started collecting monster high, barbie and bratz dolls. They are so gorgeous
Great video! New sub here! My personal view on Bratz has evolved over the years as I have divested myself of the programming of my childhood. So I'm really embracing this 20th anniversary!!! And Lamily....oh man....wow...that was a doll to remember!
OMG you're like one of my youtube idols so I am freaking out right now!! Thank you so much!!!
@4Freedom4All I don’t see how someone could steal the idea to have a doll with an average body type unless you’re referencing the theft of a specific mold. Dolls are based on people and some people are bigger or smaller than other people. Also, people had been asking Mattel for larger and more average body types for years. If also making dolls with bigger body types was considered stealing, then we’d only have one brand on the market selling them which kind of defeats the purpose of seeking better representation.
@4Freedom4All why do you feel the need to comment defending Lammily on every comment??
@4Freedom4All never said i hated lammily, but my god you are annoying
@4Freedom4All "DO NOT READ THE POST" well, i can't get insite onto peoples opinions without hearing about Lammily, which I didn't come here to read about. I don't care if the company replaced a missing foot. I've heard about it 5 million times.
This video sums my feelings up so well for both Tree Change and Lammily.
I don't mind the more "natural" looking doll. What I mind is the attitude and reason for doing so. I can't support it when it comes from a place of parents pitching a fit about what dolls look like.
I'm tired of people sexualizing Bratz features (which are inherently ethnic from the eyes to the lips) it just goes to show that people sexualize anything not cookie cutter blonde hair blue eyes small lips
Even then they sexualize that.
Honestly I feel like most people who complain about fashion dolls not being “natural” enough for them are just disgusting misogynists. As a kid I didn’t care about which body type dolls had as long as they looked cool and I could play with it. I feel very disturbed that grown people just called them “sl*ts” or “wh*res” just because they dressed differently/had a lot of makeup when children don’t even mind unless the parents made them think that way.
Misogynist? Really?? 🙄🤦♀️
@@katebet07 yes :)
@@katebet07 yeah
Agreed :)
@@deathlight4210 so they hate, dislike, or distrust women?
I don’t want to send hate towards her at all and it’s totally fine that she has her own style, but it makes me kind of sad how these dolls who are a lot of times supposed to be characters of color, are totally changed to basically have basic white features. It also bothers me that people think fashion dolls send an unrealistic beauty standard to children. Children don’t think dolls look real. They look around and see their mothers, teachers, sisters, etc. and they realize this is what a real body looks like. My mom also didn’t like bratz dolls, but as I became an adult I realized that the mindset surrounding bratz dolls was very harmful and toxic.
One of the reasons I liked Bratz dolls was that they were more diverse and had fashion that was popular with black and latina women when I was a kid. They looked a lot like the women I would see in my neighborhood or local hair salon, who I idolized.
@@weliveinasociety4629 I love that you had that experience. I feel like representation for little kids of different skin colors, body types and disabilities have really grown over the years which makes me so happy. I hope that dolls continue to diversify and be even more creative in the future! ♡´･ᴗ･`♡
I loved Yasmin as a child because Yasmin actually looked like me (as in skin color, hair and eye color, lol) and wore clothes similar to mine. I also loved the make up she wore as I use to think it looked like my moms and the make up the "pretty grown up girls" wore
@@Angel-jt2pl The bad vibes are just from your own self subjected judgments. She clearly never gave an attitude nor a thing to support over it. Those things came from people who didn't make the dolls.
Honestly, by the time Bratz came out I was well past the age where I was playing with dolls and I'd not heard about Tree Change dolls until today. I did some looking and for the dolls with darker skin, she doesn't seem to have changed the features to such as a degree that it could honestly be called white washing. They still have fuller lips (without make-up), various eye-shapes (not just the typical round that "only white people have"), she doesn't even change the eye color (blonde haired doll with brown eyes, still has brown eyes, just no eye make-up, so she didn't even go for the "typical" blonde hair, blue eyed look).
That said: there is a community that has gathered around her and joined in the makeunder thing who aren't always as careful, either with how well they design the dolls' new faces or with keeping ethnic features ethnic-looking - and that is very problematic.
Also, people have said since I was a child in the 1980's that fashion dolls give little girls unrealistic ideals of beauty (back in my day it was Barbie). Really the unrealistic mindset comes not from the dolls but the whole fashion industry that encourages people to be a size 2 and photoshops the images to unrealistic proportions, but that's a topic for another post.
As a kid I definitely had a lot of internalized misogyny. I went through a phase where I completely rejected and despised Barbie. But the older I got the more I realized I had problems with the expectations for women in society, rather than women themselves. That all girls should be feminine and blond and like pink and wear makeup and be fashionable. That just wasn't me. I however LOVED Bratz because I felt they were so much more than their appearance. They were emphasized as their own unique individuals with their own thoughts, feelings, hobbies, and flaws. I didn't care that they were glammed up, fashion crazed girls in high heels because they were also represented as people, and this appearance felt like a choice that was unique to them. I think it's fine to be critical of a society that expects women to fit into a certain box, including being hyperfeminine and sexualized and perfect looking, but I think attacking Bratz dolls is the last place someone should be making that argument.
Calling a doll a sex slave wow they must have been realll proud of that one
I suppose it's kind of like the concept of redesigning characters from popular series: Changing a character's look in your fanart to something you prefer or to be more your 'style' is one thing, but changing a character's look and then proclaiming that you've 'fixed' it just feels smug and passive-aggressive.
Personally, I'll take Sonia at her word that she's not trying to make a 'statement' with her dolls, and I think they're fine (and even sort of cute) on their own. After all, it's up to her what she does with these dolls that someone else didn't want anymore.
It seems like taking used dolls, repainting them, and sewing them new clothes is just a hobby of hers.
I think the problem lies in other people seeing her dolls, and singing their praises as 'fixed' or 'better' than the originals, indirectly insulting people who like the original style.
...Then again, Bratz were never really my 'thing' growing up (I was a Barbie girl, myself) so I could be wrong.
You have an unbiased view on the situation and are rational. You are not wrong.
It’s the destroying Felicia for me!!!!
And the fact that the lady who sells TCDs still tries to sell the Felicias at $250-$300+ 😒
@@ladyaries Where does she sell them at
Same bae same
@@ladyaries who would even buy them 🤕
@@ladyaries She devalued it to $5 when she wiped that factory paint off
Lmao yeah when I was a kid if I had gotten a “realistic” kid doll I would have still given them prison tattoos, wild haircuts, and made them absolutely batshit crazy and unhinged in our games like I did with my barbies 😌
I ALWAYS made my dolls disabled, like Draculaura was missing hands
YOU TOO? I would cut my dolls hair to BALD, then add wild makeup. Add weird red stains to her hair ( if the doll had any ) 😀. Then I would use orange fabric and tape it around the dolls. And the clothes the barbie doll came with I would give to to the most prettiest doll I had (that I didn’t ruin). And give her all accessories + dresses. I even made a prison out of cardboard and a huge house for my favourite doll 😀👍
When I was a kid, I used to think the Monster High and Bratz Dolls were cool (mainly Monster High tho, ofc) and for whatever reason, whenever I asked about getting them, or expressed an interest in them, my parents would scoff and walk on, expressing how they disliked them. I asked them about it a couple months ago and they don't remeber it at all. Just kinda weird how something so small to them got stuck in my mind and remained there for 10+ years
The ax forgets but the trees always remember
For me, its how she chooses to dress them, and her facial features they're not realistic to a child's features and I've never seen any child no matter what age they are dressed the way she dresses the dolls kids love fun bright colors and things that are easily recognizable to them none of her dolls feel authentic to me.
I imagine she does that intentionally to hide the more mature figures of the dolls- which most of their clothes already do, but I digress. I agree though, the clothing really lacks imagination and the fun of fashion dolls. Especially if you want outfits to look intentionally childish, there's so many fun possibilities!
@@DarlingDollz it's like trying to use watercolor on printer paper and it falling apart so use a thicker layer but it falls apart more
I played with various dolls throughout my childhood but Bratz were the last dolls I played with. I loved them and played with them for years but they never had any influence on how I dressed or saw myself. I didn't wear makeup until like junior year of high school. I didn't wear really high heels until high school. I think I didn't wear a crop top until college. Nowadays my everyday wear consists of t-shirts and jeans. Playing with a doll was never going to change who I inherently was.
I just think it's kinda weird to make them into children, since they have developed bodies. Remaking them as young teenagers would at least make a bit more sense. They're not that busty so it works. I like her art though.
I don't get that either. Playing with dolls was fun because I got to act out all these scenarios I wasn't old enough to experience for myself. Why would an eight-year-old roleplay as an eight-year-old when they could step into the identity of someone else?
I'm sorry but it still feels like we're blaming the Tree Change Dolls lady for accidentally cultivating a Facebook weirdo group that sexualized Bratz when even she said she's not doing it out of political reasons but just for fun.
Right? Some idiots in the comments keep saying "I can't believe she said _____, what a horrible person!" Where the blank is a comment he showed of someone else on her page.
There wasn't really a need to make her the focus of this video at all when there's a wider trend of slutshaming that goes beyond just her.
no offense, i half agree but someone in another reply section said in a video she made she was almost calling them $/utty, she didn't saw it but she was heavily implying it
idk if this is true or not
When I was a kid I never wanted to look or dress like fashion dolls. Dolls are dolls. They meant to look sparkly. I didn’t expect real life bear look like pink teddy bear. For me to complain about dolls being unrealistic is the same as complaining about toy dinosaurs cause we don’t know how they looked like actually. Let stop making toy dinosaurs then. Only toy dinosaur skeletons.
Imagine if they actually pursued that logic instead of being hypocrites/double standards. Oh the chaos it would create😂 everything would be wiped clean off the market!
See,there's a doll that are actually made for this -Lottie dolls - they are based on a nine year old and actually are fairly realistic, and while I liked playing with them I also loved praying with bratz- its almost like having one doesnt mean you can't have the other
Yea I don't see why people care so much about this. She isn't a mass producer nor company shoving her dolls in everyone's faces. She literally just sells them on etsy and does it for fun. You don't have to buy it if you don't want to.
@@novaangle2183 only because the media scooped her up. Media does that all the time. And whatever gets popular, people will comment on. Negative and positive comments. Otherwise ppl wont even care
Think she’s doing something quite nice. Upcycling, making playable regular fashion dolls whilst not being anti-fashion doll. I know I would’ve liked natural looking dolls growing up. She doesn’t deserve criticism though her followers certainly do. I think today you can easily get an unbranded no-makeup fashion doll from the department store just like any other fashion doll. It’s nice that they can coexist and it should stay that way.
Yeah, they could be nice. Still look a little generic and need some varying outfits.
There's also definitely a racial element of why people judge bratz!! Often times the slut shaming of bratz dolls is also thinly veiled racism / misogynoir
I also just want to point out what other have said. These Bratz dolls were teenagers. Older teenagers to be precise. So their body shape, look and fashion is somewhat accurate to that of a teenager. (As much as they can be while being on brand, not realistic) Although not as wildly known or as popular, but Bratz did make two lines of younger looking sisters with different body shapes that were more accurate to younger children, with bigger looking eyes (not so half closed) and not as heavy makeup. And more childlike fashion. Sure these dolls could probably go with even less make up. But they did make an attempt to make dolls for younger looking kids that did look more like children. Although they might be harder to come by than regular bratz dolls, but they’d be far better to do this kind of childlike makeover on.
Exactly! Bratz Kidz and Bratz Babyz existed. And the pet plushies too.
The Bratz Babyz were gross af tbf, they used to wear fishnets and shit.
@@madelinebitts2766 i think the fact you sexualize fishnets says more about YOU than it does us
i feel only prissy karens applause tree change dolls
Really? Why?
@@katebet07 i personally dont have a probblem treechange dolls but when i say "only prissy karens" like then i mean the people who see tree changes dolls as a way to attack other women who may represent dolls who look like this as well as discredit other artist whos styles dont represent the tree change aesthetics
@@dotdotdotdotdotdotdottod I get you & I agree.
Personally I'm not a fan of the Bratz dolls, but I get their appeal. I like the tree change idea, but as a personal preference only - not because I think they're better, but because I can relate to them more as I'm not a makeup & heels girl - but my niece is & I encourage her with that & if she liked Bratz dolls I'd definitely get down on the floor & play with them with her 😊
@@katebet07 excatly! and of course your prefences are valid♡ im really only talking about the people who use there ideas as a way to invalidate others
The whole point of a doll was for playing, pretending, make believe, etc. The fun of a doll is the unrealistic aspects
Obviously, most kids aren't super glamorous with tons of makeup and expensive clothes...but kids also aren't doctors or fashion designers or celebrities!
Kids don't want to play with something that *MIRRORS* their reality, they want to play with something unique, creative, aspirational, or fun!
As some one who was a kid during these kind of dolls being popular. i never liked realistic looking dolls, didn't even like bratz they were just too human. i always wanted toys that didn't look like me, i wanted cool alternate universes. i guess i never really thought about dolls and how they didn't look like me because i didn't want to play as me i wanted fun fantasy. that may just be my personality (being more creative and fantasy loving) ultimately i more love dolls having personality and being an interesting character than being realistic or pretty
I remember my first time hearing about the Tree Change Dolls, and I was immediately annoyed
my logic was "if you don't want or like this doll, then there are many other dolls you can buy"
this is not even a new problem! these mothers are so behind the times!
when Mattel was advertising the Barbie for the first time,
the mothers were also not on board immediately - because the doll had a woman's body -with breasts! the horror! how scandalous!
so not all mothers were keen to buy this woman doll for their lil girls, but Mattel did a study and bring in exports on how to communicate to mothers that the doll will not turn their daughters onto promiscuous behavior, rather it's a good tool to learn personal grooming, and promote ladylike behaviors -That was the biggest worry of the time
the commercial for the Barbie doll had chilled the mothers the F down -ending with a doll in a bridal gown - "secret message: SEE MOM your daughter will get married! this is the point of this doll!" and it worked
but at least thanks to that, Barbie could ACTUALLY GO AND DO ANYTHING SHE WANTS - is what the real message a toy should give a child
the concerns of mothers, being horrified their kids will be somehow put on the wrong path, with the wrong toy, is bewildering
even gender-defying the toy isles had gone for too long, that we had to go and try to "fix" the problem we invented in the first place
I mean the whole issue is that there weren't other dolls you could buy at the time. That's where the frustration came from in the first place.
I don't think how Bratz look is a problem, I definitely had parents as well who found them a little too grown but still bought them for my sister and I. But I also find no problem in repainting a doll to look younger. So what if they're originally teenagers? Now they're not. It's like how Blythe dolls will be customized to be children, when originally I think Blythe is a teenager/adult as well. If she's not bashing the Bratz dolls themselves, and these are just her creative way of repainting them, then I see no problem with it. Plus just because she gives them a "natural makeover" doesn't mean they're all of a sudden children. Why can't they just be teenagers without makeup? That's not a bad thing. I don't think it's just Bratz dolls she repaints anyways, I think she repaints any type of doll that comes to her. So it's not like she has it out for them.
I think the problem is just people who like you said still have it out for Bratz and seek these repaints out because they're "better" or "fixed". If people like natural looking dolls, then that's fine, but they don't have to bash the originals just because they like natural ones.
I kind of agree, and she can do whatever she wants, but I think one of my bigger issues with her dolls is how she repaints the dolls who are supposed to be people of color. All of her dolls seem to have very white features and people like that because they think it makes the doll look “pure.” I think that’s kind of a harmful message to send. I’m glad she deletes those kinds of comments about her dolls, and she doesn’t deserve hate, but I don’t really like that it’s promoting that.
Uh Look through her sells and she has various dolls of color.
@@novaangle2183 I’m not saying she doesn’t repaint dolls with darker skin colors. I’m saying she takes those dolls and removes all of their features and replaces them with stereotypically white features.
@@in_99 yeah, that is the problem i am having too. these dolls all look very _white_ despite the technical skin colours
Ugh those comments at 3:11 it’s like they’re just highlighting what’s really wrong with our outlook on women in general. Just because someone dresses a certain way doesn’t mean that they are automatically only worth sex. They can be intelligent and bright and everything someone who goes for the more “natural look” can be.
The only thing from tree change dolls that irk me are the eyes. Something about the eyes gives me shivers. Some of the eyes look dead.
I've been on a Bratz kick with the 20th anniversary and upcoming releases, and I'm so glad to come across your channel! Can't wait to see what you talk about next
adults: this doll is making my daughter abide by society's beauty standards!!
*in reality*
kids: I wanna be the older sister doll. I also want to be the mom so you can be the boy I guess?
I remember seeing a video of tree change dolls when I was a kid and absolutely hated it. I liked the chic, fashionable dolls like Bratz and Monster high because they stood out and had clothing that I WISHED I could wear when I become a teen lmfao (not so much anymore 💀) I felt that “Bratz too sexy, face features are too much” vibes from the videos and hated it. Got a monster high Abbey Bominable doll the week after 😭
When I was a child I didn’t think anything of how the Bratz dolls are sexual… they aren’t at all… they just have big lips and big feline eyes that’s just their design.. I have always loved the way they look and their fashion so much, I’m so glad my mum isn’t like those people. Honestly the Lammily doll isn’t all bad, if I had her as a child when I would play Barbie and Bratz high school and stuff like that, I’d probably use the Lammily dolls as the girls who get bullied or something LMAO I’m sorry, they could add in a nice storyline.
i feel like deliberately picking the teen side of a doll line that had child and baby dolls to make them look younger is probably one of the biggest wastes of a doll. so goofy. yuck.
I have to wonder how she would feel if so she restored one her tree change dolls and posted a video.
I like repainted dolls because it shows people's skills. Is awesome how someone is able to paint a doll as their imagination goes. I tried it myself and it's really relaxing and cool. Also expensive but well...
I love fantasy makeup and people really do a good job with that. Their imagination is incredible
I loved Bratz dolls as a kid, and although I was never actively discouraged from much of anything as a kid, I know my grannie didn't like that I liked them. She was a second-wave feminist lesbian, she wasn't represented in Bratz dolls, and that's okay, but I was. The biggest thing I liked about them was the hair and the fact that they could wear either flats or heels, unlike barbies. But also it was a way for elementary school me to play as if I was a teenager or young adult, I wasn't going to wear eyeshadow or lipstick, but being able to play with a doll who could was huge. I wanted to look play adult, like most kids do. And although there were adults in my life who never wore makeup like my grannie and adults in my life who rarely wore makeup like my mum, but I also saw women (and men for that matter because I grew up in the Queer community) wearing make-up as part of having fun. As part of going out and doing adult things, and honestly the best "adult" thing for me to play with and emulate as a 9 year old was definitely make-up, I mean, I can think of other "adult" things now that I am one, and none of them are things I want my children playing pretend with. I understood that I wasn't old enough to do my eyes or wear clothes like Bratz dolls, and that was the point, *I* couldn't but *they* could. They could be a grown up while I was still a kid.
"We're making a doll with realistic body types."
Me, who has about the same shape as a Barbie doll from the 2000s: *visible confusion*
You are very lucky, more than you understand. Almost no one looks like that.
@@Solaceon not really
My parents hated Bratz dolls when I was a kid as well, which made me love them more! I secretly watched all of the Bratz movies, and they were my childhood as a result even though my parents wouldn’t let me have them.
If you keep your kids from having dolls because you don’t personally like the way they look, chances are, the kids actually prefer the fashion dolls to the more realistic ones. Just let kids have fun, I was a kid and never learned beauty standards from dolls. Social media influences young girls way more than dolls ever did, so that should be a much bigger concern for parents.
Edit: Not that I have anything against Tree Change dolls! I actually really love the concept of them and if some kids prefer those to Barbies and Bratz, then great!
Personally I like the dolls, I think they are cute. Lots of people customize dolls to give them a more fantastic appearances. She’s just doing her own thing, and has said she isn’t trying to make a statement with her dolls. She’s just being creative. And she’s doing more with the dolls than people who collect the dolls and just let them collect dust on a shelf.
Yea I'm pretty bummed about all the hate she is getting from people for things people say about her. It's like bullying someone for not wearing makeup and boy... I lived through that in school.
@@novaangle2183 Right? It's not right that people are attacking the OG bratz and saying wearing make up is "slutty" and crap like that.
But at the same time there is FAR more pressure on young girls to conform to beauty standards, wear make-up, wear the latest fashion trends. I honestly don't see a problem in producing dolls that don't conform to that. The reason the original dolls get so much vitriol is BECAUSE of the pressures on young girls to follow beauty standards, they're seen as an extension of that, and honestly? They kind of are.
There were no alternatives to high fashion dolls at the time of their release that portrayed realistic body types or fashion. That is frustrating. These people are vocalising their frustrations.
Again, it's not right to slutshame, especially in this day and age, but damn, with all the comments saying dolls would be "boring" without tons of make up, huge eyes, and a midriff showing, are you even surprised at the frustration?
Like... These dolls aren't real girls being shamed, they were designed by a massive company to look "hot". It's okay to criticise them, as long as that criticism doesn't go too far and hurt real people by saying inane things like "make up and fashion bad". No choice is bad, not women dressing the way they like.
Honestly the backlash in the other direction in this comment section is ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with fashion dolls or realistic dolls. It's personal preference. Making dolls that don't conform to beauty standards isn't somehow misogynistic now just cos some misogynists like it. "Plain" women are allowed to exist. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people calling tree change dolls ugly are the people who bullied girls for not wearing make up in highschool.
I know right, I don't understand the hate. It seems people are more upset at her customer/fan base than at her. She just seems to enjoy repainting these dolls, and I mean that's the whole point of the customiser community. A lot of people in this comments section are saying it's a waste or not in line with the Bratz look, but you wouldn't get mad at other customisers that repaint something in their unique style. Idk, it seems like people shitting on this small artist when their anger should be redirected somewhere else.
The thing I find funny about Bratz being seen as hyper-sexualized or bad influence is the fact that we saw this exact kind of moral panic happening over Barbie when she first came out and we’ll probably see it again.
Fun fact: in the old days they made dolls without faces so that the little girls could sew them or paint them on themselves.
also I kind of like the idea of young girl dolls not having any makeup on, like American girl. The three change dolls don't look as aesthetically pleasing as most dolls, but I never felt like Bratz dolls were very pretty either. Don't get me started on the Lol surprise dolls, which seem to be a big trend rn. When I was a kid, I would constantly draw and paint all over my barbies, wishing that I could change their makeup, but that was me.
when i was a kid, the only thing i cared about dolls was their hair lol. I was obsessed with hair and brushing it and plaiting it and playing with it so how the rest of it looked had no relevance to me at all.
the problem with tree change dolls is not only that dolls who are rare or valuable are destroyed, but they're ugly as hell.
Fr , she can't do repaints for sure
Bratz are diverse and she gives them white traits
@@oorpinks8410 ikr! They all just have small lips and round eyes
Lmao ikr
Yeah, it really pains me to see them get destroyed like that...and by the way, it might come across as a weird question, but your profile picture is so pretty and i was wondering which anime she belongs to?
Speaking as an Australian, I think that a combination of local culture and doll availability gave rise to the Tree Change dolls. We had baby dolls and Barbie/Bratz that’s it. The Bratz were so totally unrealistic in a country where kids just didn’t dress like that, there wasn’t really an opportunity to do so. You’d wear school uniform all day and change into jeans/shorts and a t shirt when you get home. I also think that having a school system that has Primary school for Kindergarten to Year 6 and High School for Years 7 to 12 probably tends to reduce the perceived difference between a child and a teenager, you’re a child in Primary School and a child/adolescent in High School. Playing with dolls wasn’t really something you did in High School so the Bratz were being marketed to the 11 and under age group. Sonia looks to be the same sort of age or a little younger than me so I think I can see where she was coming from originally. That age group of dolls just were not available in Australia. I’ve seen the OG dolls popping up in our stores now for about $30 to $40 for the basic model and the smaller 6” version for $20 Disney toddlers are over $50 and the Disney princesses about $30 nothing else in that sort of look. Many of the dolls you can get in the US are never released here and getting hold of them is very expensive , those Barbie Looks dolls for eg $20 to Americans, $65 to $70 each for us (hard to justify on a limited income).
that poor woman just wanted to follow her passion and the backlash was crazy for no good reason v-v