I wish my country Indonesia, can go All In with Turkiye. I hope your country became prosper, stable, strong, and peacefull same hope with my country brother. Aamiin.
They are producing their own ships; they may need to work on developing the ability to manufacture the shipboard machinery to move it to the next level. Pretty challenging country to manage due to the vast area it covers.
@@Bayofthe91st This also applies to the Philippines, both of these countries have done a great job with the older warships, now that they have established themselves with a functioning Navy, they have a much clearer understanding of what they really need. With the reduction of the Globalized system with the USA the harbinger or security guarantees of open sea lanes / free trade, it is great to see less reliance on the USA and a new international partner to work with where shared interests are found.
Indonesia and Malaysia should have strong navies to prevent US and India to choke the Strait of Malacca. What India says, to prevent Chinese vessels to pass through will hurt ASEAN. 80% of the ships that pass through carry cargo for ASEAN. China has alternatives, sail via Trans-pacific or BRI. Beware of India’s motives.
I totally agree that Indonesia should not veer to one super power or the other. Its neutrality assures its safety..to a degree. Howvever, it still needs more frigates, more submarines and more smaller fast multi-role corvettes, backed up by a couple of additional logistics/support ships. The size of It's current navy is inadequate when compared to the size and breadth of this island nation.
@@LuqmanHM yes. Indonesiashould prioritse building/purchasing many smaller advanced corvettes (like the dutch sigma ships) if it wants to protect its vast number of islands and waterways. It can do this with local expertise and with assitance from Holland. However, it also needs a larger and more modern submarine fleet for its strategic defence.
Yes but the million dollar question is will they allow Australia's AUKUS navy to cross its waters to reach China? Will Indonesia allow Australia to fight China on behalf of US??
@@GL-iv4rwjelas tidak akan mengijinkan enak sekali perairan Indonwsia dijadikan tempat perang... makanya Indonesia Navy diperkuat utk melawan Negara Tetangga yg usil dan merendahkan Indonesia...😂😂😂😂
@@GL-iv4rwsecara tidak langsung negara barat lah yang memusuhi Indonesia,itu bisa di lihat dari kebijakan yang membedakan antara Indonesia dan Australia..
I think Indonesia is capable to become one of the naval power in the world, since they can build their own warships & all that sea territory that must be protected makes them have a good reason to become the naval power house.
I think one day if Indonesia becomes a regional naval power……Australia will be very very watchful. Her naval forces would’ve covered the whole of Australia’s northern and western hemispheres.
Bahkan sejak abad 5 masehi kerajaan2 kuno Indonesia tidak pernah menginvasi daratan Australia karena orang2 kami dan penduduk asli Australia (Aborigin) berhubungan baik, kami hanya berhubungan dagang tidak ada invasi. Fokus kami hanya ke utara. Narasi seperti itu hanya ketakutan kosong kolonial Eropa di Australia yg mereka buat2 sendiri.
Indon boleh!! Saya ni orang malaysia and I harap Indonesia will one day soon has the most formidable navy in ASEAN.....reflecting her status as the largest economy and largest population in ASEAN:)
As a maritime country, it is natural for Indonesia to have a fleet of warships and advanced weapons to guarantee the country's sovereignty. Indonesia's natural resources are very abundant, apart from being a gift given to this country, having a very large ocean area is a challenge that the government should overcome. So it can be concluded that Indonesia is strengthening its warship fleet solely to defend its national interests, not to take active action to disturb its friendly and neighboring countries.
weapon-producer countries always need war to sell their product.....south china sea is the next hot spot.....so, high tension conflict s must be maintain regularly......at the end, it's all about money and power......multi polar is better than unipolar.....
Media asing atau media luar negeri sekarang ramai2 menyoroti Negara kita Indonesia. Mau Itu maupun dari segi politik negatif/positif, segi ekonomi, geografis, dan masih banyak lagi. Terbang terus Garuda ku
Indonesia bukan negara yang suka berkonflik dengan negara tetangga,,! Indonesia memperkuat militernya hanya untuk menjaga diri dan melindungi semua wilayahnya. ..
hindi mahilig makipag tunggali pero palaging sinasabi na pinaka magaling daw ang sundalo ng Indonesia sa buong mundo ka tulad sa sinasabi ng Malaysia, Russia nga magaling pa sa Indonesia nahihirapan sa Ukraine ano pa kaya ang Indonesia kung makikipag laban ito sa ibang bansa,wag niyong kalimutan na ang military ng ibang bansa nag,sasay din para gumaling ang mga sundalo nila,ang pilipinas maraming grupo ng mga terrorist at magaling din sa pakikipag laban dahil nag,aaral din sila sa middle east terrorist mga terrorist sa pilipinas magaling gumawa ng bomba,pero bakit ang pilipinas hindi ito maging katulad sa Lebanon Palestine may government nga pero wala itong kapangyarihan mero pang UN forces naka bantay pero bakit ibang grupo ang may hawak sa power nito,ang pilipinas ang mga Muslim terrorist dito wala silang magawa laban sa government ng pilipinas kaya lahat ng lugar ng mga Muslim area ay nasa control parin ng governo ng pilipinas,napaka halaga sa isang sundalo na marami itong experience sa gera at mag,sanay palagi para ma in prove ang kakayahan nila,ito ang wala sa military ng Indonesia,siya ka yong pilot na kidnapped ng mga rebelde ng Indonesia hindi ito nagawang ma rescue hanggang pinakawalan nalang ito ang experience lang ng gera ng Indonesia ay sa jungle warfare lang at Balita pa at marami akong na babasa sa taga Indonesian sabi nila kung magaling daw ang mga elite force nila dapat patunayan nila bakit wala silang nagawa sa kkb group, hindi sa pinag, mamayabang ang sundalo ng pilipinas marami itong experience sa gera kahit taga Singapore yong inahiya nila ang Malaysian kase hindi tanggap ng Malaysian na malakas pa ang Singapore kay sa Malaysia,sabi ng Malaysian dapat malakas ang military ng Malaysia kay sa Singapore dahil ang military ng Malaysia marami itong experience sa gera kaya sinagot ng Singapore ang Malaysia sabi niya dito sa southeast Asia ang pilipinas ang pinaka maraming experience sa gera pero bakit mas malakas pa ang military ng Singapore kay sa pilipinas at hindi naka sagot ang Malaysia dahil napahiya siya sa pinag,yayabang nila,ang experience ng sundalo ng pilipinas ay jungle warfare Urban warfare at rescue operation sa terrorist kidnapping,samantala ang Indonesia ay sa jungle warfare lang at matagal nayon nangyari, bakit sasabihin niyo na pinaka magaling sundalo niyo sa lahat paano mo ito malalaman magaling ito kung kulang naman sila sa experience,kaya ngayon ang kopassus pinadala ng Indonesia sa pilipinas para makipag sanay sa mga scout ranger ng pilipinas,kung magaling ito ano pa kailangan nila na matutunan sa scout ranger ng pilipinas kung magaling ang kopassus,kaya wag tayong mag,yabang kung wala naman tayong alam sa military ng ibang bansa,sabi ng american expert sa military ng pilipinas,ang military ng pilipinas iba ito sa military ng Ukraine at sa Asia dahil ang pilipinas may actual experience sa gera may military training kasama ang america kaya hindi ito madali para makipag,gera ang china sa pilipinas,pero hindi namin sinabi na ang sundalo ng pilipinas ay pinaka magaling ito sa mundo dahil para sa aming mga pilipino ang elite force at special forces ng america ang pinaka magaling sa mundo, kasaysayan ng pilipinas sa digmaan never itong natalo sa gera sa jungle warfare,malaki din ang naitulong ng pilipinas sa world war 2 kaya nag,papasalamat ang Australia sa pilipinas dahil sa pilipinas hindi nasakop ng japan ang Australia, maraming secret elite force ang pilipinas,kahit ang special forces nito ay secret din ang kilala lang na elite force ng pilipinas ang scout ranger lang, hindi tulad sa Malaysia at Indonesia na ang special forces nila ay pinag, mamayabang sa social media,pinag,mamabang ng Malaysia ang ggk pinag, mamayabang ng Indonesia ang kopassus,pero ang pilipinas pag, katapus ng gera sa marawi siege scout ranger lang ang pinapakita sa international news,pero ang special forces at ang tatlong elite force ay hindi na ito pinapakita lalo na ang tier 1 elite force ng pilipinas ang LRR na kahit sa military parade hindi sila kasali,kaya paano nalalaman ng Indonesia na mad magaling pa ang sundalo nila kay sa ibang bansa kung wala naman itong alam sa mga elite force at special forces na tinatago ng ibang bansa.
Ya, Indonesia harus memperbanyak jumlah Alusista yang canggih agar jadi gertakan bagi pihak lain yang memiliki niat untuk mengganggu Indonesia... Mereka akan berpikir konsekuensinya jika berani mengusik Indonesia karena punya banyak Alusista canggih
perlu diingat peribahasa Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum yang artinya “Jika kau mendambakan perdamaian, bersiap-siaplah menghadapi perang“, dan negara-negara Barat yang peradabannya mengaku sebagai pewaris peradaban Romawi (alias Latin) pasti memegang peribahasa ini juga.
Dimasa lampau bangsa Indonesia adalah bangsa maritim yg sudah menjelajah ke seluruh dunia. Teknologi perkapalan jaman kerajaan majapahitpun sudah advance pada jamannya. Gara2 penjajahan Belanda bangsa ini di alihkan dari maritim ke agraris biar tidak besar dilautan
A very long way to go. Just 3 modern frigates (which are actually the size of corvettes) aren't enough. Rest are very old or very small. Indonesia needs a lot more modern ships of larger tonnage to become a naval power. Its essential for Indonesia given their geography. Priority to Navy is probably more important for Indonesia than land forces.
A very long way to go for sure and very slow one as well. Indonesian navy, Used to be back in late 1950s until 1960s it was the largest and powerful naval forces in southern atmosphere (thanks to Soviet ofc). Especialy it has decent sub fleet of 14 subs and quite powerful surface fleet. Post 1960s ? Yea well, it got neglected by Soeharto dictatorship regime. Since 1998 until today ? Owning 4 subs only, no destroyers, few frigates, questionable AA defenses on the ships. At least, has good amount of Corvettes, a trimaran class (supposed to be 2 if the first didn't get burned down). Even with this, isn't barely enough to defend the indonesian waters. Very weak, i could say.
Yeah, priority for Navy should be the No.1 priority. But, unfortunately indonesian ministry of defence has wrong mindset. Using Continental doctrine (Army is No.1 priority) since Soeharto era for largest maritime nation is so dumb.
Get real. *No one wants to touch them or invade third-word Indonesia.* Indonesia is a poor Muslim third world country. They have some resource, but they are selling them cheap anyway. US wants to scare China or build support for itself, so they try to tell the narrative of imminent invasion of Indonesia by China. That would be like a rich guy invading the tent of a homeless drug addict on the street. Indonesia should focus on improving the lives of its people. Same goes for Filipinos. Trying to be a US proxy is not productive, US is rotting from inside.
Indonesia sudah menbeli 2 ppa taon di revel class dari italy dan di jadiakan fregate dan pt pal indonesia sedang membuat 2 fregate merahputih salinan dari iver huitfeldt dan masih banyak lagi pembelian kapal tempur lain nya 😂😂😂
Malacca Straits security is under the trilateral littoral states agreement, which includes joint patrols and data fusion - you’ll be surprised how many surveillance radars and optical sensors cover this Strait. Sunda, Bali and Makassar Straits are under Indonesian jurisdiction, and they have increased their home built OPCs.
Indonesian here, I'd say no. Well I guess "maybe". the next elected president is the current DoD minister so the military side of thing will definitely improve. but on the economic side, I don't think we could support much growth.
From the economic side of things, Indonesia's domestic military manufacturers has drastically improved even during Prabowo's tenure as defense minister, as someone who keep watchful eye on Indonesia's armed forces equipment aquisition, it is crazy just how drastically increased military aquistions are during Prabowo's tenure as DOD, let alone during his Presidential tenure
With zero day-light between Australia's and the U.S. Military/Political/Strategic Policies of ''You're either with us and against us'', the Indonesians would be mad to put any trust or reliance in the former. Hopefully with entry into B.R.I.C.'s and greater co-operation with Russia, China and the Global South, Indonesia can maintain it's Independence and growth. (Signed by an Australian Infantryman who spent the 1970's training to fight our peaceful Indonesian neighbours).
Australia and its little borther New Zeeland should finally find its own identity and break with old Europe and new America, you are see as nothing but a base, a colony here, time for you to become a country with its own position in the world.
@@tigersilberhannes9153 Speak for yourself. They are our brothers and just because you hate the West and want them to be your puppets does not make your delusions reality.
The question also shows that Indonesia has a weak naval power at the moment. And that is very ironic because Indonesia should already have the largest naval power due to its strategic location. From Jakarta.
Your answer is Regional power. Just check at how Indonesian Navy was back in late 1950s until 1960s. It was the largest and powerful naval forces on asian southern Hemisphere. To tell you the truth, indonesian navy since Soeharto era from 1967 until today is the former shell of itself.
Akhir-akhir ini negara kami (Indonesia) kekuatan militer-nya semakin bertambah kuat,, dan masih banyak juga Alutsista (Alat utama sitem persenjataan) yang sedang dibangun di dalam negeri ataupun yang sedang dipesan di luar negeri.. Indonesia akan menjadi negara mandiri dalam memproduksi sistem persenjataan tidak bergantung kepada negara lain yang mampu membuat senjata-senjata yang berteknologi canggih.. di angkatan darat punya PT PINDAD, di angkatan laut punya PT PAL, di angkatan udara punya PT DI (Dirgantara Indonesia) technology Indonesia semakin berkembang pesat dan Indonesia akan mampu membuat'nya seperti negara-negara superpower Amerika, Rusia, dan China..
For Indonesia, with strong military comes a strong economy. 1st, there will be power shifts to Indonesia on controlling trade routes, which are already pested by pirates, and the meddling of foreign power likes Singapore, China, and Australia. 2nd, with the relocation of capital city to the center of Indonesia geography, Indonesia can shift its economic and military developments away from the crowded interest of the old capital city. 3rd, with the focus of naval and air power of Indonesia military, Indonesia can engage foreign intrusion away from population pockets and bring the fights to surrounding blue waters
they can have it, but will not have any domestic industry to support it during a war of attrition in a major war, but for small wars and regional patroll it can be done
for a wide archipelagian country like Indonesia, IDEALLY, should have aircraft carriers to effectively defence the territory. But as an Indonesian, I really2 doubt it will happen.
Indonesia is now considering buying destroyers and there are several offers of upgraded F110 from Spain, Type 052D china and destroyers from Japan. And it is rumoured to now be in communication with Italy to acquire ITS Giuseppe Garibaldi an Italian-owned aircraft carrier
Indonesia sedang membangun kekuatan angkatan laut secara masif. Saat ini Indonesia sedang membangun 2 unit arrowhead140, 2 unit scorpene evolved, mendatangkan 2 unit thaon direwel dan berencana mengakuisisi LHD di tahun 2028. Indonesia berencana menjadi blue water navy di tahun 2030.
The problem now is the capacity of Local Manufacturers and the limited amount of defense budget making modernization is very slow. If Indonesia really want to ramp up production and procurement, they need to do it seriously, from ramping up the defense budget and expanding the domestic manufacturing capacity.
@@诡雅异俗 Indonesian shipbuilding is actually not as bad as you think, the main problem now is capacity, Indonesia now managed to build domestically 2 94m opv, 28 60m KCR (Fast attack ship), 16 60m patroll ship, 2 124m hospital ship, 4 LPD 134m and 1 submarine (all in 10 Years), for Indonesia that number is too low, the government already in process to build more facilities to increase at least twice the number, and Indonesia now also still building 2 146m heavy Frigate, 1 SRV, 1 Hospital ship, 2 LPD, 20 or more KCR, 2 Oceanograph vessels all domestically. The capacity still being increase because currently, Philippines and UAE ordered new LPD from Indonesia and that's makes more issues in Indonesia because they are many more new domestic procurement are being reviewed and finalized, hands the reason the government give more subsidies to build more facilities. That's also the reason why we rapidly buy foreign manufacture warship to keep up with our military procurement demand because the domestic manufacturer are already nearly full capacity.
It's hard to ramp up domestic manufacturing since you can't compete with China. Buying stuff from them is just cheaper and faster. The government really needs to be strategic about what to invest. Besides nickel and palm oil, I don't know what else Indonesia has to offer.
@@hitthedeck4115 the reason why the government continues to invest on domestic manufacturing is because the government much more preferred the money for defense spent on the domestic rather than foreign manufacturer, that's why the government keep supporting local defense manufacturers and make commitment to support any proposal from them if they want foreign collaboration, as for now, TTurkey South Korea, France and Japan are already making effort to not only colaborating but also agree to give transfer of technology on some military hardware, Indonesian government realize rallying only to foreign manufacturer is viewed as dangerous things because geopolitical tension and sustainability are not always guaranteed, that's why although now is seen as waste of money,the government much rather waste it for our own nation manufacturer. as for palm oil, Indonesian government doesn't really care as much about the EU threat, like former president jokowi said, we don't care as much if the Western countries try to ban palm oils, they already give higher interest to make palm oil unattractive in the Europe anyways, it's better to be used for Indonesian people in the first place, and because of that accident 10 years ago, Indonesian government and national petroleum we're already working together with Japan to develop our palm oil to be used as renewable fuel for domestic use and now, it already used heavily on Indonesian diesel train for power car generator and diesel locomotive, they now also testing new version to be used for private vehicles. Nickel also not as much problem since we have high reserve and the government and domestic private companies already starting to experiment to make our own batteries before foreign companies start to show interest, now the biggest country that have huge foot print on Indonesian nickel industry is South Korea and they already build huge factory for processing an manufacturing the EV Batteries itself, although local manufacturer struggling in quantity, having another support factory to boost the competitiveness manufacturing batteries for EV is eventually a good thing, China and Japan also recently start to having a footprint in Indonesia on that matter, making local private companies having more competition, at the end is win win solution, although is not really generating as much job opportunity since most if the things now is done by robots, it help Indonesian FDI.
@@hitthedeck4115 so that's why Indonesian is much rather wasting money now to support local manufacturer rather than fully depended from foreign manufacturer if it came to military equipment, is pretty much a standard things to do if the country concerns about self reliance, Japan, South Korea, China all does the same things to what Indonesia did, long time ago before they achieve full self reliance like right now, is not the money that they concerns, is logistic. In the even of a war, you cannot relay on foreign countries, because every countries will prioritize their own countries first before even thinking to help other countries logistic.
PPP GDP is only a good measure of military capability -ONLY IF YOU ARE MANUFACTURING GEAR DOMESTICALLY-. **EDIT since some saltbags reported/ghosted my last comment**: Indonesian warships use French missiles, Italian guns, German engines, American computing hardware, European sensors... without these systems their ships are vulnerable even against 60 year old Cold War relics! The hull (made from Chinese steel too lol) + "make in Indonesia" label =/= homegrown modern warship If you have to import you will almost certainly have to use USD which means... Nominal costs and not PPP! Given Indonesia has zero ability to manufacture key subsystems and in fact is importing entire platforms the latter should be their measuring stick.
@@WarzoneOfficial22789 google translate says you're bragging about self-production + 230 shipyards (lol) Indonesia can't even 40 year old tech PESA TR nodes, nevermind the computing hardware needed for the combat management system... Indonesia's chemical industry cannot make modern solid propellant rocket motors... Even the cannons - there are 7 countries in the world that have the ability to make electromelt steel needed for high pressure naval guns, and Indonesia isn't one of them. At best Indonesia buys systems overseas and assembles them at home, then slaps a 'Make in Indonesia' label on it. 230 'shipyards' imao what is the yearly tonnage produced? How many can assemble 10,000t hulls? How many can do 100,000t? What's the assembly rate?
@@NewAgeOfPower .. Anda tidak tau apa2 tentang Indonesia dan sangat meremehkan kami. 230 shipyard tidak hanya memproduksi kapal perang tapi memproduksi kapal2 komersial seperti kapal penyeberangan, kapal kargo, kapal roro, kapal tanker, kapal nelayan, dan lain sebagainya. Shipyard terbesar kami PT PAL mampu membangun kapal berbobot 50.000 DWT. setiap bulan selalu ada berita galangan kapal kami dari swasta selalu meluncurkan kapal perang dari kapal patroli berukuran 40-60 meter sampai OPV 98 meter yang baru diluncurkan satu bulan yang lalu. Kami juga memiliki perusahaan baja PT KRAKATAU STEEL yang selalu memasuk industri pertahanan kami dengan baja2 grade militer utnuk membuat kapal perang, kendaraan tempur. kekurangan kami memang dibidang metalurgi baja dan mesin. Tpi petinggi2 kami sudah melakukan negosiasi dengan perusahaan2 pertahann global seperti Thales, SAFRAN, Boeing, Bell, dan lainnya agar mau melakukan TOT dengan kami jika ada kontrak pembelian senjata. so.. wait and see apa yg terjadi dengan Indonesia 10 atau 20 tahun yang akan datang.
@@NewAgeOfPower .. Pasti kau tidak tau kalau Indonesia sudah mengekspor kapal militer jenis LPD 125 meter ke Filiphina (4 unit) dan UEA memesan 6 unit LPD 165 meter ke perusahaan kapal Indonesia.. hahaa... Lebih baik perbaiki literasimu tentang Indonesia. 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤧🤧
@@WarzoneOfficial22789 Indonesia's frigates are loaded with French missiles missiles Italian guns German engines European radars American computers etc... without which the ship is but an empty tin can and gets blown up by a single 40 year old jet with ASMs or 50 year old submarine Those LPD have zero ability to defend themselves against cold war opponents, but sure keep bragging about western systems with a 'make in indonesia' label slapped onto the tin can
With the obvious importance of the sea to Indonesia, it seems strange that they don't already have a significant navy, to look after all those islands, and coastlines. They really DO need to beef things up, and perhaps they might ask China to help in their fleet modernisation programme? China certainly has both the technology, and the shipbuilding capacity!
The moment we are design , manufacturing armament and build.the ships in house ....then we could start to talk about Indonesian maval aspiration .. Before that ??? Nothing but a lullaby ....
It's not really a question, Indonesia must have a semi decent and functioning naval power.. Or air power. We're a maritime country first and foremost after all. Indonesia may be neutral now, but who's to say that the red or the blue empires that surrounds them won't do anything? Whether militarily or from the inside....
Pertanyaan itu sekaligus menunjukkan bahwa Indonesia memiliki kekuatan angkatan laut yang lemah saat ini. Dan itu sangat ironis karena seharusnya Indonesia sudah memiliki kekuatan laut terbesar karena letaknya yang strategis.
INDONESIA NEGARA KUAT DALAM MILITER PASUKAN INDONESIA BUKAN HANYA TNI TAPI 300 JUTA RAKYAT YANG MEMPUNYAI DARAH NASIOBALUSME TINGGI KARENA SUDAH TIDAK INGIN DIJAJAH SEPERTI MASA LALU.INDONESIA NEGARA MAKMUR SEGALA BIDANG TERUTAMA PANGAN,INDONESIA TIDAK AKAN KEKURANGAN PANGAN.BENUA AMERIKA,EROPA AKAN KEKURANGAN PANGAN DI MASA DEPAN.🇮🇩💪🏼
A type 55 is a pretty large ship 11,000 tons, they may need to focus more on the littoral smaller ship aspects to effectively cover the number of islands in their nation.
I think that for Indonesia smaller, fast and cheap vessels would be better. They need a lot of them to cover their vast area. Maybe the 056 corvette in larger numbers?
@@mrjumbly2338 instead of getting scammed into nuclear like Australia, get ultra quiet diesel electric and build 20+ to lurk with medium size fridges. That’s what they need
We Indonesia have warships and others, only to protect ourselves not to fight with other countries. Because Indonesia is neutral and does not follow any block.
Very funny, small countries comment like teaching. Indonesia does not need to be taught. This is a big country with a lot of problems they have gone through. colonialism, coup, crisis, embargo, disaster, civil war, religious war, regional war. they already understand what they are doing. in fact, they are still at the forefront in terms of being the guardians of ASEAN. and in its politics Indonesia plays a big influence.
@@AbdulHamid-wr9vr Bocah ingusan tolol, negara lu dikomentar negatif sama negara lain, dan lu pilih senyum2? Makanya model org kaya lu yg buat negara ini ga dihargain. Karena malu berpendapat, atau ga tolol ga ngerti apa yang dibahas.
Ni orang banyak cakap tapi nonton videonya ampe abis kgk si? 🗿 Padahal isinya cuma review kekuatan sama prediksi kalau TNI AL bakal jadi Angkatan Laut terkuat di Asia kalau modernisasi jalan.
Indonesia terlalu sedikit tentaranya harusnya 1juta tentara karena indonesia mempunyai populasi penduduk 280 juta sekarang tentara aktif cuma 400 ribu tentara cadangan 400 ribu...
mas kunti pa ang active force ng pilipinas kay sa Indonesia pero bawi ito sa reserve force ng pilipinas ang pilipinas may 1 million plus reserve force ngayon gusto pa nila ibalik ang program sa mga paaralan na may basic military training ang mga student kahit marami itong reserve force ang pilipinas.😂😂😂😂😂
Kedepannya, semoga Indonesia dapat mendeteksi kapal-kapal besar pencuri pasir dengan lebih efektif. Teknologi yang digunakan saat ini masih terlalu lemah!
The middle between each malaysia east and west coast was indonesian... why u put malaysia word on it for south china sea dispute indonesia also had issue with chinese but not with territorial water it's on our EEZ
@@jagodiving I think you miscalculated. Indonesian GDP 2023 is $1371 billion. So 2% of it would be $27 billion. Besides, it's not that simple for Indonesia, because the national budget always deficits every year. In 2023, Indonesia military spending is just $9,5 billion (0,7% GDP), way too low.
Unfortunately money doesn't always guarantee a delicate result. Middle eastern countries were crazy rich but they are not developed countries. Maintain good discipline and great competency while managing money would help Indonesia to become regional power.
@@fendysuryanto That is exactly the real problem for Indonesia. Indonesia not only lacks money, but also lacks wisdom in managing money. The failed food estates project for IDR108,8 Trillion, IKN/New Capital City Project that is already cost IDR80 Trillion (and will need much more in the future), and a lot of other project that is not essential but takes a lot of resources and money. Allocate those money on military spending, and Indonesia could have 6 new destroyers or 100 new fighter jets.
Lots of comments about how Indonesians want to be able to balance, however this will be next to impossible, competing powers within and outside will not allow this and to try to balance will result in massive bloodshed inside the country.
Indonesia needs better Railways, Roads, Ports, Airports , Schools and hospitals. Not MORE military spending. Yes .... Defense force is IMPORTANT. But Balance is IMPORTANT. Their citizens welfare comes FIRST.
there will always be people that will berate you for this, but this is correct. The big military countries that have huge money in defense all have indigenous defense industries. this will in turn increase engineering jobs and thus gdp throughout the country. this is called reinvestment, and works to increase the overall welfare of the people, increasing their buying power, and in turn increasing the buying power of everyone else in the country. Indonesia has nothing of the sort. forget about defense, indonesia barely reinvests into its healthcare. it doesn't pay its teachers well, and those people, who we believed would become our "Golden Generation" became idiots because of that. Not to mention that indonesia barely has any semblance of industry at all. indonesia does not manufacture a significant amount of parts for anything, let alone advanced technology such as surface combat vehicles. every engineering student in indonesia has given up on the industry, and most will go to foreign companies. when our next generation are a bunch of morons who cannot even multiply in high school, and our last people with a braincell wish to move to foreign countries, you should forget about indonesia becoming a superpower. forget Golden indonesia, by 2045, this place is not going to exist at all.
@@bibbr4137 interesting opinion, good point about how necessary it is to have domestic industries to support military (spare parts, repairs , new units etc), seems Indonesia has to buy that stuff also from abroad, but they can still have it, the problem arise when attrition happens during major world war, but in meantime and for small wars it is feasable
Given the geography of Indonesia, if Indonesia went heavily into drones, they could turn their territory into an impassable nightmare for any potential invader.
Military development needs money, so you can learn and build, like China, Russia and the US, or at least buy from others, like India and Saudi Arabia etc. But buying from others definitely makes you no POWERHOUSE, a regional one, maybe, a global one, no way. So the best way to do so is do it like the US and Russia back in the old days, or China in the recent decades. But in order to be like them, you need tons of money to invest in scientific field, education field, manufacturing field, and more, and that takes decades, so you need to build up your economy first, especially a manufacturing based one, which those investments mentioned above would be also integrated within it, they work in both ways. And I see no need for Indonesia to build up their military forces in the next decade, they are already the boss of the ASEAN, instead, they really need to build up their economy, there are still some extreme poverty exist domestically.
good points made. they can have a strong navy if they buy technology from others. also with global tension rising it might be necessary to have strong navy, if for no other reason, to defend against invasion, i would like to know if indonesia has any enemies who would take advantage of global conflict to settle scores
@@gimme88 Historically Indonesia's biggest potential threat comes from their south, which is the country starts with an "A". The ASEAN nowadays is quite a stable organization, so they are fine with the rest in the SEA region.
Indonesian here, by history evidence Old Nusantara kingdom now Indonesia has ever been control indian ocean madagascar brazil , malaca strait , natuna ocean, until japan n china east ocean, spreading spice before western colonization coming, so its about destiny as maritime civilization, history will repeat according its time😊😊😊😊
@@SabdoBagusIngAti I don't really know much about Indonesian history if i'm being honest, but it sounds quite unbelievable that the former Indonesia kingdom could actually covered such huge ocean area under its control. Since South China Sea had long been patrolled and controlled by either Chinese Royal Navy or Chinese pirates until the 1800s, and nothing came from the SEA region could possibly control that area not to mention areas north to that. But anyway, I remain my thoughts on this matter, Indonesia better develops its economy first before putting loads of money into military development.
@@cheungchingtong please read history before year 1600 AD , majapahit kingdom, 1200 AD to 1500AD and Sriwijaya kingdom 600 AD to 1100AD are maritime kingdom , control spice and various commodities trading in SEA , malaka strait n natuna sea until indian ocean., china, india, italy , Arab , then portugal, spain dynasti record this in various report, even cina japan korea and India kingdom at that time by history did not have naval power to projection the power. Ah ya kubilai khan yuan dynasti in 1292 AD ever been invaded Singhasari or Majapahit kingdom but failed. In modern civilization bith economy n military power are together raise and support each other , there is no economic power raise without military power raise, so far Indonesia military power raise to support regional stability, peacefully and to be balancing power between Cina and USA .
Tenang setiap negara tentunya tidak memamerkan semua alat perang, jumlah kapal perang, tank dan pesawat tempur. Karna jika di publikasikan semua secara tidak lansung musuh seenaknya mengetahui kelemahan negara Indonesia. Indonesia itu selain membeli perlatan perang dari luar tetapi ada juga produksi dalam negri jadi itu berita bukan yang sebenarnya 😂
Indonesia can be better defended than Taiwan & be like well armed neutral Sweden during the cold war. Perhaps they could give an island or 2 to the Taiwanese to settle on & build economy capable of suporting a bigger navy, not to mention their CG & AF!
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No. No superpower 2077-2099-2069, no great naval power or air power or supernatural power. I mean when the manpower's average intelligence themselves is still below average, I'd say no. Dan ini pendapat orang lahir tanah betawi, tumbuh besar di Bekasi dan sekarang tinggal di Bogor ya. So bukan orang ngomong sok Ingriss atau antek apalah
@@OnxGrid Nggak juga, Ada Amerika Selatan (Brazil, Argentina etc), Ada Eastern Europe (Czech Republik, Belgia dan sekitar), Ada negara nordik (Norwegia, Swedia, Finlandia). Italia, Turki, KorSel, Taiwan etc banyak lainnya. Mereka itu blok penting juga yang ga termasuk barat timur utara selatan barat daya etc banyak gak kesebut di permainan global karena muka Xi Jinping atau Joe Biden paling sering muncul di TV. Inget sih kita itu aslinya negara non-blok. The moment kita milih "sisi" itu dimana moment kita sudah harus siap perang dunia 3.
@@mbonkeden hampir dari negara yg kamu list itu negara NATO atau "sahabat" dekat paman Sam, tapi bener juga sih pendapat nya, paling-paling 2045 kita sekuat India saat sekarang
why not every nation have the chance the thing is to know what is right according to what i heard about, Indonesia bullied every neighbor in the past 60 years that sound not like a right way
Hahaha, don't just be a turtle in your shell, look for clear information and then comment,...you are the big zeros who don't know anything about Indonesia, even if I go abroad I don't even know where Indonesia is, so when you comment, don't act like you know. ..😅😅😅😅😅
They can manufactured their own ships, yes. They used to be the strongest naval forces back in 1960s. Post 1960s until today ? Laughable. I say No, I still have my doubt about it. Especialy with how the military of this country is damn slow in modernizing their own equipment and also high ranking military officials mindset (Army especialy) very slow to adjust with modern day warfare.
Please do also the Philippines because we have a lot of torpedo boat, and there is talk about US giving Ticonderoga class cruiser and Japan giving old Soryu class submarine
No. You do not become a military power unless you can produce military hardware yourself. Indonesia, Australia etc. can get a few guns from USA, but US is getting weaker. Those supplies will dwindle.
Can't agree with you on Indonesia becoming a great naval power on its present trajectory. I say that because no country can be a great economic and military power (can't have the latter if you don't have the former) if it relies on others to make its weapons and educate its brightest minds (India doesn't seem to understand this). As long as Indonesia lacks critical industries, infrastructure, research, knowhow, learning centers, financial hubs, and the economic backbone to empower all that, it will continue to depend on others for key products, systems, subsystems, and components. The best that can be said is Indonesia owns its own destiny because it has huge and talented population and all the ingredients necessary to be, as the Chinese say, wealthy and strong, but it's a long and hard road for Indonesia to realize its potential.
You said nothing. The US has its electronics all over the world with weak supply lines and a globalized economy. It's a private MIC, not state run, so it's made all over the world. Your views are superficial and simplistic.
This is the same type of guy that predicts the "collapse" of the Russian and Chinese economy weekly. I also don't know what a "great naval power" means.
Umm , same india which builds it own nuclear SSBN armed with nuclear MIRV capable missiles , its own aircraft carrier ? It's own destroyers ? Do you even know India will have 36 submarines by 2034 ( including 9 nuclear powered ones ) ? And 3 aircraft carriers ? 28 frigates (7000tonne) and 24 destroyers ( 12,000 tonnes ) ?
Coba sertakan sumber rujukannya kalo Majapahit hanya di Pulo Jawa saja. Oya berarti sumber dari Hikayat Raja-Raja Pasai, Hikayat Raja-Raja Banjar dan Cerita dari Nansarunai Usak Jawa itu hoax ya bro? Kalo beneran hoax berarti sumber tersebut gak bisa di jadikan rujukan untuk sejarah Kerajaan Pasai, Kerajaan Palembang, dan Kerajaan Nansarunai ya?
i think indonesia need to follow china's way in term of their economy and military development china being silence and stealth for years and ta da in 2010 china come as big player in economy and military which US and west countries can not abandoned china again its a good choice, cos in the end of the day in 2010 US being realized china is behemoth in economy and military sectors😂😂
huh? they are too poor for that. lets say they use whatever money they had to buy those ship. things like education and building of proper infrastructure can eat shit then XD
Indonesia terlalu miskin..?? Berdasarkan data bank dunia dan IMF tingkat kemiskinan Indonesia hanya 9%, ini lebih rendah dari US 14%, Inggris 15%. Indonesia memiliki 50 juta orang kaya.. Itu 10 kali lipat seluruh penduduk Singapura. Betapa bodohnya dirimu komen tidak memakai data. 🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧
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They are producing their own ships; they may need to work on developing the ability to manufacture the shipboard machinery to move it to the next level. Pretty challenging country to manage due to the vast area it covers.
Not to mention their rapidly aging second-hand cold war era ships purchased form various countries. Particularly those poor parchim corvettes
@@Bayofthe91st This also applies to the Philippines, both of these countries have done a great job with the older warships, now that they have established themselves with a functioning Navy, they have a much clearer understanding of what they really need. With the reduction of the Globalized system with the USA the harbinger or security guarantees of open sea lanes / free trade, it is great to see less reliance on the USA and a new international partner to work with where shared interests are found.
Great idea! Only the thing is cheaper to buy than to build and develop military techs.
@@Bayofthe91st Don't worry pal, locally built OPV are undergo to replace them th-cam.com/video/97CDgUbjI7M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZggjzjMhiFykL4NW
Indonesia and Malaysia should have strong navies to prevent US and India to choke the Strait of Malacca. What India says, to prevent Chinese vessels to pass through will hurt ASEAN. 80% of the ships that pass through carry cargo for ASEAN. China has alternatives, sail via Trans-pacific or BRI. Beware of India’s motives.
I totally agree that Indonesia should not veer to one super power or the other. Its neutrality assures its safety..to a degree. Howvever, it still needs more frigates, more submarines and more smaller fast multi-role corvettes, backed up by a couple of additional logistics/support ships. The size of It's current navy is inadequate when compared to the size and breadth of this island nation.
I agree, they don't need too many large frigate/destroyer, but need a lot of heavily armed corvettes
@@LuqmanHM yes. Indonesiashould prioritse building/purchasing many smaller advanced corvettes (like the dutch sigma ships) if it wants to protect its vast number of islands and waterways. It can do this with local expertise and with assitance from Holland. However, it also needs a larger and more modern submarine fleet for its strategic defence.
Yes but the million dollar question is will they allow Australia's AUKUS navy to cross its waters to reach China? Will Indonesia allow Australia to fight China on behalf of US??
@@GL-iv4rwjelas tidak akan mengijinkan enak sekali perairan Indonwsia dijadikan tempat perang... makanya Indonesia Navy diperkuat utk melawan Negara Tetangga yg usil dan merendahkan Indonesia...😂😂😂😂
@@GL-iv4rwsecara tidak langsung negara barat lah yang memusuhi Indonesia,itu bisa di lihat dari kebijakan yang membedakan antara Indonesia dan Australia..
I think Indonesia is capable to become one of the naval power in the world, since they can build their own warships & all that sea territory that must be protected makes them have a good reason to become the naval power house.
You right, even just for transportation Indonesian needed massive than other country
I think one day if Indonesia becomes a regional naval power……Australia will be very very watchful. Her naval forces would’ve covered the whole of Australia’s northern and western hemispheres.
Bahkan sejak abad 5 masehi kerajaan2 kuno Indonesia tidak pernah menginvasi daratan Australia karena orang2 kami dan penduduk asli Australia (Aborigin) berhubungan baik, kami hanya berhubungan dagang tidak ada invasi. Fokus kami hanya ke utara. Narasi seperti itu hanya ketakutan kosong kolonial Eropa di Australia yg mereka buat2 sendiri.
Australia kurang diminati karena terlalu banyak hewan berbisanya
Indon boleh!! Saya ni orang malaysia and I harap Indonesia will one day soon has the most formidable navy in ASEAN.....reflecting her status as the largest economy and largest population in ASEAN:)
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INA its not The Agresor Country but more to Defeance
As a maritime country, it is natural for Indonesia to have a fleet of warships and advanced weapons to guarantee the country's sovereignty. Indonesia's natural resources are very abundant, apart from being a gift given to this country, having a very large ocean area is a challenge that the government should overcome. So it can be concluded that Indonesia is strengthening its warship fleet solely to defend its national interests, not to take active action to disturb its friendly and neighboring countries.
weapon-producer countries always need war to sell their product.....south china sea is the next hot spot.....so, high tension conflict s must be maintain regularly......at the end, it's all about money and power......multi polar is better than unipolar.....
Indonesia is not an aggressor country but is more concerned with defense
Good luck.
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@@pendiramadhan4021 sure why not , now India already have hypersonic
@@dad-ms8mz yeah.. kita tunggu kebijakan pemerintah kita, 😁
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Tandanya indonesia mulai bersinar, dan cahayanya mulai menyinari negara² lain
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Indonesia bukan negara yang suka berkonflik dengan negara tetangga,,! Indonesia memperkuat militernya hanya untuk menjaga diri dan melindungi semua wilayahnya. ..
hindi mahilig makipag tunggali pero palaging sinasabi na pinaka magaling daw ang sundalo ng Indonesia sa buong mundo ka tulad sa sinasabi ng Malaysia, Russia nga magaling pa sa Indonesia nahihirapan sa Ukraine ano pa kaya ang Indonesia kung makikipag laban ito sa ibang bansa,wag niyong kalimutan na ang military ng ibang bansa nag,sasay din para gumaling ang mga sundalo nila,ang pilipinas maraming grupo ng mga terrorist at magaling din sa pakikipag laban dahil nag,aaral din sila sa middle east terrorist mga terrorist sa pilipinas magaling gumawa ng bomba,pero bakit ang pilipinas hindi ito maging katulad sa Lebanon Palestine may government nga pero wala itong kapangyarihan mero pang UN forces naka bantay pero bakit ibang grupo ang may hawak sa power nito,ang pilipinas ang mga Muslim terrorist dito wala silang magawa laban sa government ng pilipinas kaya lahat ng lugar ng mga Muslim area ay nasa control parin ng governo ng pilipinas,napaka halaga sa isang sundalo na marami itong experience sa gera at mag,sanay palagi para ma in prove ang kakayahan nila,ito ang wala sa military ng Indonesia,siya ka yong pilot na kidnapped ng mga rebelde ng Indonesia hindi ito nagawang ma rescue hanggang pinakawalan nalang ito ang experience lang ng gera ng Indonesia ay sa jungle warfare lang at Balita pa at marami akong na babasa sa taga Indonesian sabi nila kung magaling daw ang mga elite force nila dapat patunayan nila bakit wala silang nagawa sa kkb group, hindi sa pinag, mamayabang ang sundalo ng pilipinas marami itong experience sa gera kahit taga Singapore yong inahiya nila ang Malaysian kase hindi tanggap ng Malaysian na malakas pa ang Singapore kay sa Malaysia,sabi ng Malaysian dapat malakas ang military ng Malaysia kay sa Singapore dahil ang military ng Malaysia marami itong experience sa gera kaya sinagot ng Singapore ang Malaysia sabi niya dito sa southeast Asia ang pilipinas ang pinaka maraming experience sa gera pero bakit mas malakas pa ang military ng Singapore kay sa pilipinas at hindi naka sagot ang Malaysia dahil napahiya siya sa pinag,yayabang nila,ang experience ng sundalo ng pilipinas ay jungle warfare Urban warfare at rescue operation sa terrorist kidnapping,samantala ang Indonesia ay sa jungle warfare lang at matagal nayon nangyari, bakit sasabihin niyo na pinaka magaling sundalo niyo sa lahat paano mo ito malalaman magaling ito kung kulang naman sila sa experience,kaya ngayon ang kopassus pinadala ng Indonesia sa pilipinas para makipag sanay sa mga scout ranger ng pilipinas,kung magaling ito ano pa kailangan nila na matutunan sa scout ranger ng pilipinas kung magaling ang kopassus,kaya wag tayong mag,yabang kung wala naman tayong alam sa military ng ibang bansa,sabi ng american expert sa military ng pilipinas,ang military ng pilipinas iba ito sa military ng Ukraine at sa Asia dahil ang pilipinas may actual experience sa gera may military training kasama ang america kaya hindi ito madali para makipag,gera ang china sa pilipinas,pero hindi namin sinabi na ang sundalo ng pilipinas ay pinaka magaling ito sa mundo dahil para sa aming mga pilipino ang elite force at special forces ng america ang pinaka magaling sa mundo, kasaysayan ng pilipinas sa digmaan never itong natalo sa gera sa jungle warfare,malaki din ang naitulong ng pilipinas sa world war 2 kaya nag,papasalamat ang Australia sa pilipinas dahil sa pilipinas hindi nasakop ng japan ang Australia, maraming secret elite force ang pilipinas,kahit ang special forces nito ay secret din ang kilala lang na elite force ng pilipinas ang scout ranger lang, hindi tulad sa Malaysia at Indonesia na ang special forces nila ay pinag, mamayabang sa social media,pinag,mamabang ng Malaysia ang ggk pinag, mamayabang ng Indonesia ang kopassus,pero ang pilipinas pag, katapus ng gera sa marawi siege scout ranger lang ang pinapakita sa international news,pero ang special forces at ang tatlong elite force ay hindi na ito pinapakita lalo na ang tier 1 elite force ng pilipinas ang LRR na kahit sa military parade hindi sila kasali,kaya paano nalalaman ng Indonesia na mad magaling pa ang sundalo nila kay sa ibang bansa kung wala naman itong alam sa mga elite force at special forces na tinatago ng ibang bansa.
Ya, Indonesia harus memperbanyak jumlah Alusista yang canggih agar jadi gertakan bagi pihak lain yang memiliki niat untuk mengganggu Indonesia... Mereka akan berpikir konsekuensinya jika berani mengusik Indonesia karena punya banyak Alusista canggih
perlu diingat peribahasa Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum yang artinya “Jika kau mendambakan perdamaian, bersiap-siaplah menghadapi perang“, dan negara-negara Barat yang peradabannya mengaku sebagai pewaris peradaban Romawi (alias Latin) pasti memegang peribahasa ini juga.
For international fleet whether brown or blue water Indonesia needs destroyers, oiler, support ship with stand off long range missiles.
@@JimmyShields-z2h indonesia was signed MCTR with limited range of missile in max 500 km
Dimasa lampau bangsa Indonesia adalah bangsa maritim yg sudah menjelajah ke seluruh dunia. Teknologi perkapalan jaman kerajaan majapahitpun sudah advance pada jamannya. Gara2 penjajahan Belanda bangsa ini di alihkan dari maritim ke agraris biar tidak besar dilautan
A very long way to go. Just 3 modern frigates (which are actually the size of corvettes) aren't enough. Rest are very old or very small. Indonesia needs a lot more modern ships of larger tonnage to become a naval power. Its essential for Indonesia given their geography. Priority to Navy is probably more important for Indonesia than land forces.
A very long way to go for sure and very slow one as well.
Indonesian navy, Used to be back in late 1950s until 1960s it was the largest and powerful naval forces in southern atmosphere (thanks to Soviet ofc).
Especialy it has decent sub fleet of 14 subs and quite powerful surface fleet.
Post 1960s ? Yea well, it got neglected by Soeharto dictatorship regime.
Since 1998 until today ?
Owning 4 subs only, no destroyers, few frigates, questionable AA defenses on the ships. At least, has good amount of Corvettes, a trimaran class (supposed to be 2 if the first didn't get burned down).
Even with this, isn't barely enough to defend the indonesian waters. Very weak, i could say.
Yeah, priority for Navy should be the No.1 priority.
But, unfortunately indonesian ministry of defence has wrong mindset. Using Continental doctrine (Army is No.1 priority) since Soeharto era for largest maritime nation is so dumb.
Get real. *No one wants to touch them or invade third-word Indonesia.* Indonesia is a poor Muslim third world country. They have some resource, but they are selling them cheap anyway. US wants to scare China or build support for itself, so they try to tell the narrative of imminent invasion of Indonesia by China. That would be like a rich guy invading the tent of a homeless drug addict on the street.
Indonesia should focus on improving the lives of its people. Same goes for Filipinos. Trying to be a US proxy is not productive, US is rotting from inside.
Indonesia sudah menbeli 2 ppa taon di revel class dari italy dan di jadiakan fregate dan pt pal indonesia sedang membuat 2 fregate merahputih salinan dari iver huitfeldt dan masih banyak lagi pembelian kapal tempur lain nya 😂😂😂
Malacca Straits security is under the trilateral littoral states agreement, which includes joint patrols and data fusion - you’ll be surprised how many surveillance radars and optical sensors cover this Strait.
Sunda, Bali and Makassar Straits are under Indonesian jurisdiction, and they have increased their home built OPCs.
Indonesian here, I'd say no.
Well I guess "maybe". the next elected president is the current DoD minister so the military side of thing will definitely improve. but on the economic side, I don't think we could support much growth.
From the economic side of things, Indonesia's domestic military manufacturers has drastically improved even during Prabowo's tenure as defense minister, as someone who keep watchful eye on Indonesia's armed forces equipment aquisition, it is crazy just how drastically increased military aquistions are during Prabowo's tenure as DOD, let alone during his Presidential tenure
With zero day-light between Australia's and the U.S. Military/Political/Strategic Policies of ''You're either with us and against us'', the Indonesians would be mad to put any trust or reliance in the former.
Hopefully with entry into B.R.I.C.'s and greater co-operation with Russia, China and the Global South, Indonesia can maintain it's Independence and growth.
(Signed by an Australian Infantryman who spent the 1970's training to fight our peaceful Indonesian neighbours).
This .
Australia and its little borther New Zeeland should finally find its own identity and break with old Europe and new America, you are see as nothing but a base, a colony here, time for you to become a country with its own position in the world.
Australia basically took over Timor Leste from Indonesia. They are now actively trying to get West papua to be separated as well.
@@tigersilberhannes9153 Speak for yourself. They are our brothers and just because you hate the West and want them to be your puppets does not make your delusions reality.
Absolutely. Cooperation with the US means the total privatization of its economy under US auspices.
If the state actually jumpstarted the Steel industry, man, we would be building megacities.
You can just buy steel from China for cheap. The state budget would be better allocated elsewhere.
what a nice video, from video games i know that indonesia used to be called "dutch east indies"
The question also shows that Indonesia has a weak naval power at the moment. And that is very ironic because Indonesia should already have the largest naval power due to its strategic location. From Jakarta.
Add 4 frigates 054a, 2 submarines 039A, 1 unit 052D destroyer
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@@pt-pmlbbut actually yes.
@@stannislas What?
If they were to go for a naval power which one would it be? A power for its own water, a pacific power, or a global power?
Your answer is Regional power.
Just check at how Indonesian Navy was back in late 1950s until 1960s. It was the largest and powerful naval forces on asian southern Hemisphere.
To tell you the truth, indonesian navy since Soeharto era from 1967 until today is the former shell of itself.
They can't even be a naval power in their own waters! no offense but the same is true for Malaysia and the Philippines.
the question should be will they repeat to become the strong navy in the southern hemisphere like what they achieved in the 60's
Indonesia akan meraih kejayaannya kembali dimasa kerajaan Sriwijaya dan Majapahit yang mampu menguasai Nusantara
Akhir-akhir ini negara kami (Indonesia) kekuatan militer-nya semakin bertambah kuat,, dan masih banyak juga Alutsista (Alat utama sitem persenjataan) yang sedang dibangun di dalam negeri ataupun yang sedang dipesan di luar negeri.. Indonesia akan menjadi negara mandiri dalam memproduksi sistem persenjataan tidak bergantung kepada negara lain yang mampu membuat senjata-senjata yang berteknologi canggih.. di angkatan darat punya PT PINDAD, di angkatan laut punya PT PAL, di angkatan udara punya PT DI (Dirgantara Indonesia) technology Indonesia semakin berkembang pesat dan Indonesia akan mampu membuat'nya seperti negara-negara superpower Amerika, Rusia, dan China..
For Indonesia, with strong military comes a strong economy. 1st, there will be power shifts to Indonesia on controlling trade routes, which are already pested by pirates, and the meddling of foreign power likes Singapore, China, and Australia. 2nd, with the relocation of capital city to the center of Indonesia geography, Indonesia can shift its economic and military developments away from the crowded interest of the old capital city. 3rd, with the focus of naval and air power of Indonesia military, Indonesia can engage foreign intrusion away from population pockets and bring the fights to surrounding blue waters
Indonesia future is bright they sure can have World Class Navy in the Future
they can have it, but will not have any domestic industry to support it during a war of attrition in a major war, but for small wars and regional patroll it can be done
Di saat ini aja Indonesia menduduki peringkat 4 dunia dengan kekuatan angkatan laut. Di bawah rusia china dan Amerika
@@ramajoenk Secara kuantitas
Probably adding more uniform fregates will be a start
for a wide archipelagian country like Indonesia, IDEALLY, should have aircraft carriers to effectively defence the territory. But as an Indonesian, I really2 doubt it will happen.
Indonesia is now considering buying destroyers and there are several offers of upgraded F110 from Spain, Type 052D china and destroyers from Japan. And it is rumoured to now be in communication with Italy to acquire ITS Giuseppe Garibaldi an Italian-owned aircraft carrier
Indonesia sedang membangun kekuatan angkatan laut secara masif. Saat ini Indonesia sedang membangun 2 unit arrowhead140, 2 unit scorpene evolved, mendatangkan 2 unit thaon direwel dan berencana mengakuisisi LHD di tahun 2028. Indonesia berencana menjadi blue water navy di tahun 2030.
May white water😂
The problem now is the capacity of Local Manufacturers and the limited amount of defense budget making modernization is very slow. If Indonesia really want to ramp up production and procurement, they need to do it seriously, from ramping up the defense budget and expanding the domestic manufacturing capacity.
印尼的工业实力还不如马来西亚，更不用说越南和泰国了，造船业距离others的日本都有很大的距离，百年海军，有没有成为海军强国的能力，起码现在是没有的
@@诡雅异俗 Indonesian shipbuilding is actually not as bad as you think, the main problem now is capacity, Indonesia now managed to build domestically 2 94m opv, 28 60m KCR (Fast attack ship), 16 60m patroll ship, 2 124m hospital ship, 4 LPD 134m and 1 submarine (all in 10 Years), for Indonesia that number is too low, the government already in process to build more facilities to increase at least twice the number, and Indonesia now also still building 2 146m heavy Frigate, 1 SRV, 1 Hospital ship, 2 LPD, 20 or more KCR, 2 Oceanograph vessels all domestically. The capacity still being increase because currently, Philippines and UAE ordered new LPD from Indonesia and that's makes more issues in Indonesia because they are many more new domestic procurement are being reviewed and finalized, hands the reason the government give more subsidies to build more facilities. That's also the reason why we rapidly buy foreign manufacture warship to keep up with our military procurement demand because the domestic manufacturer are already nearly full capacity.
It's hard to ramp up domestic manufacturing since you can't compete with China. Buying stuff from them is just cheaper and faster. The government really needs to be strategic about what to invest. Besides nickel and palm oil, I don't know what else Indonesia has to offer.
@@hitthedeck4115 the reason why the government continues to invest on domestic manufacturing is because the government much more preferred the money for defense spent on the domestic rather than foreign manufacturer, that's why the government keep supporting local defense manufacturers and make commitment to support any proposal from them if they want foreign collaboration, as for now, TTurkey South Korea, France and Japan are already making effort to not only colaborating but also agree to give transfer of technology on some military hardware, Indonesian government realize rallying only to foreign manufacturer is viewed as dangerous things because geopolitical tension and sustainability are not always guaranteed, that's why although now is seen as waste of money,the government much rather waste it for our own nation manufacturer.
as for palm oil, Indonesian government doesn't really care as much about the EU threat, like former president jokowi said, we don't care as much if the Western countries try to ban palm oils, they already give higher interest to make palm oil unattractive in the Europe anyways, it's better to be used for Indonesian people in the first place, and because of that accident 10 years ago, Indonesian government and national petroleum we're already working together with Japan to develop our palm oil to be used as renewable fuel for domestic use and now, it already used heavily on Indonesian diesel train for power car generator and diesel locomotive, they now also testing new version to be used for private vehicles. Nickel also not as much problem since we have high reserve and the government and domestic private companies already starting to experiment to make our own batteries before foreign companies start to show interest, now the biggest country that have huge foot print on Indonesian nickel industry is South Korea and they already build huge factory for processing an manufacturing the EV Batteries itself, although local manufacturer struggling in quantity, having another support factory to boost the competitiveness manufacturing batteries for EV is eventually a good thing, China and Japan also recently start to having a footprint in Indonesia on that matter, making local private companies having more competition, at the end is win win solution, although is not really generating as much job opportunity since most if the things now is done by robots, it help Indonesian FDI.
@@hitthedeck4115 so that's why Indonesian is much rather wasting money now to support local manufacturer rather than fully depended from foreign manufacturer if it came to military equipment, is pretty much a standard things to do if the country concerns about self reliance, Japan, South Korea, China all does the same things to what Indonesia did, long time ago before they achieve full self reliance like right now, is not the money that they concerns, is logistic. In the even of a war, you cannot relay on foreign countries, because every countries will prioritize their own countries first before even thinking to help other countries logistic.
Not if they can’t even connect Sumatra with a proper railroad
哈哈哈
Bukan tidak bisa, ada gunung berapi besar di selat sunda, dan itu masih aktif.
Sumatera itu masih banyak gunung dan Hutan kalau anda tidak tahu Indonesia lebih baik diam....kamu bodoh dan tolol....😂😂😂😂
PPP GDP is only a good measure of military capability -ONLY IF YOU ARE MANUFACTURING GEAR DOMESTICALLY-.
**EDIT since some saltbags reported/ghosted my last comment**: Indonesian warships use French missiles, Italian guns, German engines, American computing hardware, European sensors... without these systems their ships are vulnerable even against 60 year old Cold War relics! The hull (made from Chinese steel too lol) + "make in Indonesia" label =/= homegrown modern warship
If you have to import you will almost certainly have to use USD which means... Nominal costs and not PPP! Given Indonesia has zero ability to manufacture key subsystems and in fact is importing entire platforms the latter should be their measuring stick.
Kami juga bisa memproduksi peralatan militer sendiri. Khusus untuk produksi kapal kami memliki 230 shipyard..
@@WarzoneOfficial22789 google translate says you're bragging about self-production + 230 shipyards (lol)
Indonesia can't even 40 year old tech PESA TR nodes, nevermind the computing hardware needed for the combat management system... Indonesia's chemical industry cannot make modern solid propellant rocket motors... Even the cannons - there are 7 countries in the world that have the ability to make electromelt steel needed for high pressure naval guns, and Indonesia isn't one of them.
At best Indonesia buys systems overseas and assembles them at home, then slaps a 'Make in Indonesia' label on it.
230 'shipyards' imao what is the yearly tonnage produced? How many can assemble 10,000t hulls? How many can do 100,000t? What's the assembly rate?
@@NewAgeOfPower .. Anda tidak tau apa2 tentang Indonesia dan sangat meremehkan kami. 230 shipyard tidak hanya memproduksi kapal perang tapi memproduksi kapal2 komersial seperti kapal penyeberangan, kapal kargo, kapal roro, kapal tanker, kapal nelayan, dan lain sebagainya. Shipyard terbesar kami PT PAL mampu membangun kapal berbobot 50.000 DWT. setiap bulan selalu ada berita galangan kapal kami dari swasta selalu meluncurkan kapal perang dari kapal patroli berukuran 40-60 meter sampai OPV 98 meter yang baru diluncurkan satu bulan yang lalu. Kami juga memiliki perusahaan baja PT KRAKATAU STEEL yang selalu memasuk industri pertahanan kami dengan baja2 grade militer utnuk membuat kapal perang, kendaraan tempur.
kekurangan kami memang dibidang metalurgi baja dan mesin. Tpi petinggi2 kami sudah melakukan negosiasi dengan perusahaan2 pertahann global seperti Thales, SAFRAN, Boeing, Bell, dan lainnya agar mau melakukan TOT dengan kami jika ada kontrak pembelian senjata. so.. wait and see apa yg terjadi dengan Indonesia 10 atau 20 tahun yang akan datang.
@@NewAgeOfPower .. Pasti kau tidak tau kalau Indonesia sudah mengekspor kapal militer jenis LPD 125 meter ke Filiphina (4 unit) dan UEA memesan 6 unit LPD 165 meter ke perusahaan kapal Indonesia.. hahaa... Lebih baik perbaiki literasimu tentang Indonesia. 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤧🤧
@@WarzoneOfficial22789 Indonesia's frigates are loaded with French missiles missiles Italian guns German engines European radars American computers etc... without which the ship is but an empty tin can and gets blown up by a single 40 year old jet with ASMs or 50 year old submarine
Those LPD have zero ability to defend themselves against cold war opponents, but sure keep bragging about western systems with a 'make in indonesia' label slapped onto the tin can
Indonesian naval number two in asia
Is it the Indonesian navy that will be wiped out by any Japanese or Chinese destroyer squadron? 😂
Isn't it scorpene? Or scorpion?
With the obvious importance of the sea to Indonesia, it seems strange that they don't already have a significant navy, to look after all those islands, and coastlines. They really DO need to beef things up, and perhaps they might ask China to help in their fleet modernisation programme? China certainly has both the technology, and the shipbuilding capacity!
Yes, we will be great nation
The moment we are design , manufacturing armament and build.the ships in house ....then we could start to talk about Indonesian maval aspiration ..
Before that ??? Nothing but a lullaby ....
It's not really a question, Indonesia must have a semi decent and functioning naval power.. Or air power. We're a maritime country first and foremost after all. Indonesia may be neutral now, but who's to say that the red or the blue empires that surrounds them won't do anything? Whether militarily or from the inside....
Pertanyaan itu sekaligus menunjukkan bahwa Indonesia memiliki kekuatan angkatan laut yang lemah saat ini. Dan itu sangat ironis karena seharusnya Indonesia sudah memiliki kekuatan laut terbesar karena letaknya yang strategis.
You missed out a lot of ships classes, literally A LOT!!
INDONESIA NEGARA KUAT DALAM MILITER PASUKAN INDONESIA BUKAN HANYA TNI TAPI 300 JUTA RAKYAT YANG MEMPUNYAI DARAH NASIOBALUSME TINGGI KARENA SUDAH TIDAK INGIN DIJAJAH SEPERTI MASA LALU.INDONESIA NEGARA MAKMUR SEGALA BIDANG TERUTAMA PANGAN,INDONESIA TIDAK AKAN KEKURANGAN PANGAN.BENUA AMERIKA,EROPA AKAN KEKURANGAN PANGAN DI MASA DEPAN.🇮🇩💪🏼
Indonesia blue water navy, don't greendwaternavy. But i believe continue ❤
they need to procure some type-052 or 055
A type 55 is a pretty large ship 11,000 tons, they may need to focus more on the littoral smaller ship aspects to effectively cover the number of islands in their nation.
Subs
@@EvaExplores-x2x what class or nation?
I think that for Indonesia smaller, fast and cheap vessels would be better. They need a lot of them to cover their vast area. Maybe the 056 corvette in larger numbers?
@@mrjumbly2338 instead of getting scammed into nuclear like Australia, get ultra quiet diesel electric and build 20+ to lurk with medium size fridges. That’s what they need
Nyimak yang komen auto berasa jadi para ahli militer
ikut 😂😂
They can be, but Australia may see that as a threat.
Negara yg negatif berarti negara yg banyak masalah
Australia's threat to Indonesia is pretty tame compared to what China is doing in North Natuna Sea.
No, I've been working inside Indonesia navy vessel, and it was in its sorry state. But great crew tho
Good job Indonesian 👍
We Indonesia have warships and others, only to protect ourselves not to fight with other countries. Because Indonesia is neutral and does not follow any block.
Depends on money there much possibility there.
Very funny, small countries comment like teaching.
Indonesia does not need to be taught. This is a big country with a lot of problems they have gone through. colonialism, coup, crisis, embargo, disaster, civil war, religious war, regional war.
they already understand what they are doing.
in fact, they are still at the forefront in terms of being the guardians of ASEAN. and in its politics Indonesia plays a big influence.
nggak ada salahnya ngedengerin opini orang lain
Don't be overproud. Sombong amat
@@AbdulHamid-wr9vr
Bocah ingusan tolol, negara lu dikomentar negatif sama negara lain, dan lu pilih senyum2? Makanya model org kaya lu yg buat negara ini ga dihargain. Karena malu berpendapat, atau ga tolol ga ngerti apa yang dibahas.
Ni orang banyak cakap tapi nonton videonya ampe abis kgk si? 🗿 Padahal isinya cuma review kekuatan sama prediksi kalau TNI AL bakal jadi Angkatan Laut terkuat di Asia kalau modernisasi jalan.
Indonesia terlalu sedikit tentaranya harusnya 1juta tentara karena indonesia mempunyai populasi penduduk 280 juta sekarang tentara aktif cuma 400 ribu tentara cadangan 400 ribu...
mas kunti pa ang active force ng pilipinas kay sa Indonesia pero bawi ito sa reserve force ng pilipinas ang pilipinas may 1 million plus reserve force ngayon gusto pa nila ibalik ang program sa mga paaralan na may basic military training ang mga student kahit marami itong reserve force ang pilipinas.😂😂😂😂😂
Tentara indonesia 290 jt Rakyat indonesia semua adalah pejuang 😂
Jika negara memanggil 280 juta rakyat siap menjadi tentara dalam sekejap
@@jokosandal2059 kata siapa,
Kedepannya, semoga Indonesia dapat mendeteksi kapal-kapal besar pencuri pasir dengan lebih efektif. Teknologi yang digunakan saat ini masih terlalu lemah!
The middle between each malaysia east and west coast was indonesian...
why u put malaysia word on it
for south china sea dispute
indonesia also had issue with chinese
but not with territorial water
it's on our EEZ
Just say : Allahu Akbar Laa ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rosulullah
In my sight they are still long way to become a powerful naval country. Coz almost their ship filled by 60metres fast patrol w missile ship
Military power very depend on money. Indonesia has no money needed to build that power.
only allocate 2% of indonesian GDP in to defense spending ,it will reach minimum $USD 320 B for defence spending
@@jagodiving I think you miscalculated. Indonesian GDP 2023 is $1371 billion. So 2% of it would be $27 billion. Besides, it's not that simple for Indonesia, because the national budget always deficits every year. In 2023, Indonesia military spending is just $9,5 billion (0,7% GDP), way too low.
Unfortunately money doesn't always guarantee a delicate result. Middle eastern countries were crazy rich but they are not developed countries. Maintain good discipline and great competency while managing money would help Indonesia to become regional power.
@@fendysuryanto
That is exactly the real problem for Indonesia. Indonesia not only lacks money, but also lacks wisdom in managing money. The failed food estates project for IDR108,8 Trillion, IKN/New Capital City Project that is already cost IDR80 Trillion (and will need much more in the future), and a lot of other project that is not essential but takes a lot of resources and money. Allocate those money on military spending, and Indonesia could have 6 new destroyers or 100 new fighter jets.
@@saifudinabdullah1903so you know this person. I'm from Indonesia, fish is still on the way. IKN development is a big wait for a long time.

sebenarnya dulu waktu kerjaan majapahit nusantara pernah menjadi pusat maritim dunia
Lots of comments about how Indonesians want to be able to balance, however this will be next to impossible, competing powers within and outside will not allow this and to try to balance will result in massive bloodshed inside the country.
Navy building could cost 100 years of input.
Indonesia needs better Railways, Roads, Ports, Airports , Schools and hospitals. Not MORE military spending. Yes .... Defense force is IMPORTANT. But Balance is IMPORTANT. Their citizens welfare comes FIRST.
What u talking about Indonesia only spend like 0.7% of gdp in military
Pajeet reference
Me when im dumb:
there will always be people that will berate you for this, but this is correct. The big military countries that have huge money in defense all have indigenous defense industries. this will in turn increase engineering jobs and thus gdp throughout the country. this is called reinvestment, and works to increase the overall welfare of the people, increasing their buying power, and in turn increasing the buying power of everyone else in the country.
Indonesia has nothing of the sort. forget about defense, indonesia barely reinvests into its healthcare. it doesn't pay its teachers well, and those people, who we believed would become our "Golden Generation" became idiots because of that. Not to mention that indonesia barely has any semblance of industry at all. indonesia does not manufacture a significant amount of parts for anything, let alone advanced technology such as surface combat vehicles. every engineering student in indonesia has given up on the industry, and most will go to foreign companies. when our next generation are a bunch of morons who cannot even multiply in high school, and our last people with a braincell wish to move to foreign countries, you should forget about indonesia becoming a superpower. forget Golden indonesia, by 2045, this place is not going to exist at all.
@@bibbr4137 interesting opinion, good point about how necessary it is to have domestic industries to support military (spare parts, repairs , new units etc), seems Indonesia has to buy that stuff also from abroad, but they can still have it, the problem arise when attrition happens during major world war, but in meantime and for small wars it is feasable
Given the geography of Indonesia, if Indonesia went heavily into drones, they could turn their territory into an impassable nightmare for any potential invader.
Will Vietnam become a Great Naval Power 🥺
WHY ? People /Citizens or WAR MONERS ???
They can put their border with China stops them 😂.
No
Military development needs money, so you can learn and build, like China, Russia and the US, or at least buy from others, like India and Saudi Arabia etc. But buying from others definitely makes you no POWERHOUSE, a regional one, maybe, a global one, no way. So the best way to do so is do it like the US and Russia back in the old days, or China in the recent decades. But in order to be like them, you need tons of money to invest in scientific field, education field, manufacturing field, and more, and that takes decades, so you need to build up your economy first, especially a manufacturing based one, which those investments mentioned above would be also integrated within it, they work in both ways.
And I see no need for Indonesia to build up their military forces in the next decade, they are already the boss of the ASEAN, instead, they really need to build up their economy, there are still some extreme poverty exist domestically.
good points made. they can have a strong navy if they buy technology from others. also with global tension rising it might be necessary to have strong navy, if for no other reason, to defend against invasion, i would like to know if indonesia has any enemies who would take advantage of global conflict to settle scores
@@gimme88 Historically Indonesia's biggest potential threat comes from their south, which is the country starts with an "A". The ASEAN nowadays is quite a stable organization, so they are fine with the rest in the SEA region.
Indonesian here, by history evidence Old Nusantara kingdom now Indonesia has ever been control indian ocean madagascar brazil , malaca strait , natuna ocean, until japan n china east ocean, spreading spice before western colonization coming, so its about destiny as maritime civilization, history will repeat according its time😊😊😊😊
@@SabdoBagusIngAti I don't really know much about Indonesian history if i'm being honest, but it sounds quite unbelievable that the former Indonesia kingdom could actually covered such huge ocean area under its control. Since South China Sea had long been patrolled and controlled by either Chinese Royal Navy or Chinese pirates until the 1800s, and nothing came from the SEA region could possibly control that area not to mention areas north to that.
But anyway, I remain my thoughts on this matter, Indonesia better develops its economy first before putting loads of money into military development.
@@cheungchingtong please read history before year 1600 AD , majapahit kingdom, 1200 AD to 1500AD and Sriwijaya kingdom 600 AD to 1100AD are maritime kingdom , control spice and various commodities trading in SEA , malaka strait n natuna sea until indian ocean., china, india, italy , Arab , then portugal, spain dynasti record this in various report, even cina japan korea and India kingdom at that time by history did not have naval power to projection the power. Ah ya kubilai khan yuan dynasti in 1292 AD ever been invaded Singhasari or Majapahit kingdom but failed. In modern civilization bith economy n military power are together raise and support each other , there is no economic power raise without military power raise, so far Indonesia military power raise to support regional stability, peacefully and to be balancing power between Cina and USA .
"No Destroyer?"
Destroyer too much budget, prefer more Fregate
Read history and you will find that any navy that bought ships and submarines from NATO countries "Naver became a sea power"
Tenang setiap negara tentunya tidak memamerkan semua alat perang, jumlah kapal perang, tank dan pesawat tempur. Karna jika di publikasikan semua secara tidak lansung musuh seenaknya mengetahui kelemahan negara Indonesia. Indonesia itu selain membeli perlatan perang dari luar tetapi ada juga produksi dalam negri jadi itu berita bukan yang sebenarnya 😂
Sounds impossible for now
Indonesia can be better defended than Taiwan & be like well armed neutral Sweden during the cold war. Perhaps they could give an island or 2 to the Taiwanese to settle on & build economy capable of suporting a bigger navy, not to mention their CG & AF!
LMAO. Indonesia need to defend themselves from US and Australia, f 00 l
Let's see them over take the Singapore navy first
the answer is yes
eventually but definitely before india
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Made me chuckle 🤭
Yeah indonesian navy is by large ship type smaller than indian coast guard lol. Know your place 🙃
@@ananthakrishnan6106 indonesians use toilets. know your place.
@@ananthakrishnan6106indonesian economy is largest than toiletless billion of endian peoples
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No. No superpower 2077-2099-2069, no great naval power or air power or supernatural power. I mean when the manpower's average intelligence themselves is still below average, I'd say no.
Dan ini pendapat orang lahir tanah betawi, tumbuh besar di Bekasi dan sekarang tinggal di Bogor ya. So bukan orang ngomong sok Ingriss atau antek apalah
Kalau kita mau jadi negara regional yg kuat, y kita paling harus pilih sisi antara Tiongkok atau barat, masalahnya kita gak mau pilih sisi (netral).
@@OnxGrid Nggak juga, Ada Amerika Selatan (Brazil, Argentina etc), Ada Eastern Europe (Czech Republik, Belgia dan sekitar), Ada negara nordik (Norwegia, Swedia, Finlandia). Italia, Turki, KorSel, Taiwan etc banyak lainnya. Mereka itu blok penting juga yang ga termasuk barat timur utara selatan barat daya etc banyak gak kesebut di permainan global karena muka Xi Jinping atau Joe Biden paling sering muncul di TV.
Inget sih kita itu aslinya negara non-blok. The moment kita milih "sisi" itu dimana moment kita sudah harus siap perang dunia 3.
@@mbonkeden hampir dari negara yg kamu list itu negara NATO atau "sahabat" dekat paman Sam, tapi bener juga sih pendapat nya, paling-paling 2045 kita sekuat India saat sekarang
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Make indonesian naval great again
The Indonesia has SDM Rendah, they no need naval power
Houty Yaman Block 1 rute trade Oil Price up High,,, What if indonesia Block 60 % Trade Rute In The World ???!!
Indonesia is like korea under admiral yi, Japan in world war 2, or the Republic in star wars. Its greatest enemy is on the inside 😅😅😅
why not
every nation have the chance
the thing is to know what is right
according to what i heard about, Indonesia bullied every neighbor in the past 60 years
that sound not like a right way
hoax
Never mind
Hahaha, don't just be a turtle in your shell, look for clear information and then comment,...you are the big zeros who don't know anything about Indonesia, even if I go abroad I don't even know where Indonesia is, so when you comment, don't act like you know. ..😅😅😅😅😅
what are you barking about
They can manufactured their own ships, yes.
They used to be the strongest naval forces back in 1960s.
Post 1960s until today ? Laughable.
I say No, I still have my doubt about it.
Especialy with how the military of this country is damn slow in modernizing their own equipment and also high ranking military officials mindset (Army especialy) very slow to adjust with modern day warfare.
Please do also the Philippines because we have a lot of torpedo boat, and there is talk about US giving Ticonderoga class cruiser and Japan giving old Soryu class submarine
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No. You do not become a military power unless you can produce military hardware yourself. Indonesia, Australia etc. can get a few guns from USA, but US is getting weaker. Those supplies will dwindle.
With less than 1% defence budget it modernizing the military, imagine if the budget is 2%, let alone 5%.
Nobody will dare challenging Indonesia.
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Turkiye is become a great naval Power. Indonesia is still lack technology , need 40 year before we get like turkiye milestone.
😅Never
While still buying all the component and steel needed. The best is all defense just lego machines 😁
Can't agree with you on Indonesia becoming a great naval power on its present trajectory. I say that because no country can be a great economic and military power (can't have the latter if you don't have the former) if it relies on others to make its weapons and educate its brightest minds (India doesn't seem to understand this). As long as Indonesia lacks critical industries, infrastructure, research, knowhow, learning centers, financial hubs, and the economic backbone to empower all that, it will continue to depend on others for key products, systems, subsystems, and components. The best that can be said is Indonesia owns its own destiny because it has huge and talented population and all the ingredients necessary to be, as the Chinese say, wealthy and strong, but it's a long and hard road for Indonesia to realize its potential.
You said nothing. The US has its electronics all over the world with weak supply lines and a globalized economy. It's a private MIC, not state run, so it's made all over the world. Your views are superficial and simplistic.
This is the same type of guy that predicts the "collapse" of the Russian and Chinese economy weekly. I also don't know what a "great naval power" means.
China used to, and to some extent still does, rely on others for its weapons. It makes sense to learn from others first.
Umm , same india which builds it own nuclear SSBN armed with nuclear MIRV capable missiles , its own aircraft carrier ? It's own destroyers ?
Do you even know India will have 36 submarines by 2034 ( including 9 nuclear powered ones ) ? And 3 aircraft carriers ? 28 frigates (7000tonne) and 24 destroyers ( 12,000 tonnes ) ?
Data yang menyatakan Majapahit itu luas adalah sebuah lelucun.
Majapahit hanya di pulau jawa saja.
Coba sertakan sumber rujukannya kalo Majapahit hanya di Pulo Jawa saja. Oya berarti sumber dari Hikayat Raja-Raja Pasai, Hikayat Raja-Raja Banjar dan Cerita dari Nansarunai Usak Jawa itu hoax ya bro? Kalo beneran hoax berarti sumber tersebut gak bisa di jadikan rujukan untuk sejarah Kerajaan Pasai, Kerajaan Palembang, dan Kerajaan Nansarunai ya?
Aku tunggu sumber rujukannya bro, kita adu data
No. They don't Have the technological backbone for it
i think indonesia need to follow china's way in term of their economy and military development
china being silence and stealth for years and ta da in 2010 china come as big player in economy and military which US and west countries can not abandoned china again
its a good choice, cos in the end of the day in 2010 US being realized china is behemoth in economy and military sectors😂😂
Simple answer: helllll nooooooo
huh? they are too poor for that. lets say they use whatever money they had to buy those ship. things like education and building of proper infrastructure can eat shit then XD
Indonesia terlalu miskin..?? Berdasarkan data bank dunia dan IMF tingkat kemiskinan Indonesia hanya 9%, ini lebih rendah dari US 14%, Inggris 15%. Indonesia memiliki 50 juta orang kaya.. Itu 10 kali lipat seluruh penduduk Singapura. Betapa bodohnya dirimu komen tidak memakai data. 🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧
Kalau pemerintah berani menaikan anggaran ke 2
Persen,maka cita2 ini bisa ada gambaran
Ya jika tidak dikorupsi
Sounds like the biggest problem with Indonesia is itself
Simple answer - no, Indonesia will not become a naval power.
Sebagai catatan.. Kami memiliki 230 Shipyard.. Kalau kami mau semisal Indonesia dalam keadaan genting dalam ancaman perang kami bisa memfokuskan sebagian besar anggaran untuk membangun militer dalam sekejap.
How do you become a great power without money?
Possible, send former USSR is a great example
And it collapse from its economic situation…so probably economy first
Indonesia,,,jagonya perang gerilya,,,😂