I’m mutating a carno army now. Are they great? No, but I like carnos, the game has a lot of bosses and cool Dino’s, and having lots of options keeps it fresh. This is about what I expected, though I think you might have won alpha broodmother if you jumped on a carno’s back. Maybe. Great video, much appreciated
I think there's more to it than that, yuty has more drag weight than the therizino, dire bear, anky, trike, and carno but it has only happened to the carno so far
I guess this video is old news by now, but I’d be extremely curious if trying carnos again with just a single Rex or two with high health or stego in defense mode would change the outcome, or if everything would eliminate the one tanking creature or even continue ignoring it to focus on you
i reslly like this series just seeing how they do against the bosses it kinda funny though how the bosses didnt really care about the carnos im kinda curious how the carno alternative the allos do or the mammoths even
The weird targeting you experienced in this one, as many others have commented, is an intentional feature of boss ai that they target the largest creature so long as the player doesn't attack it directly. I tend to make use of it to fight the dragon boss using direwolves and a tanky stegosaurus, because the boss ignores the dogs biting at its feet the whole time and only attacks the stego instead. My only question is why it happened with the carnos and not the ankylosaurs. I thought it just had to do with drag weight but maybe there's more to it?
We'll have to see if it pops back up in some of the other fights. I'm sure we'll see it again, if not i'll run it with the carno again on my own and see if its replicated.
Im actually breeding carnos to do this thanks to you video i know ill need a megatherium to follow the yuty to protect for brood and probably an all hp rex to tank the monkey dragon could probably be done the same way just on big dino to hold agro i appreciate the video now i have insight on how not to get wiped the first time i try it
@@phillip6370 I've been doing this as well but mutations have avoided me lol my babies hatch around 4368hp and 425 melee. I've used these since evolved for the easy element
Hey, would love to see terror birds, baryonx, and mammoths. Herbivores should get a standard like 5 cakes per tame. Nobody who does dragon with theris would do so without cakes. 4 breath attacks and everything is dead. Instead of trying to hit 22k HP, maybe just do a standard amount of wild points into HP and melee and then the 55 levels distributed how you see fit? Those carnos were 170 wild points in health. Maybe set it to like 150 wild points for both melee and health? That's like 50 mutations on a wild 50 stat. Also, there are commands to set the wild stat of a creature, which might be easier to work with.
Bosses ignore creatures below a certain size classification. You know how when you have a megatherium in a normal cave, the onyc and araneo ignore you? But if you were on a baryonx, everything would aggro to you instantly. That size difference is what determines when a boss will target you or will target your tames. This was a common tactic in ASE with deinonychus, since they were small enough and would be ignored by the bosses. I could be mistaken, but I believe that shadowmanes behaved the same way and were also ignored by bosses. Baryonx definitely do the same thing and are ignored by bosses. This tactic is really difficult to use as a solo player because the boss will just be focused on you the whole time with nobody else to take aggro. It really doesn't work well with the dragon on ASA yet. (Deinonychus and magmasaur were the best way to take on dragon on ASE for a bit because the magmasaur was immune to most of the dragon's attacks. So you just ran away from everything while the deinonychus just bled the dragon out. When Gen 2 comes out, the small tame tactic will work well with dragon again.)
@@Boomsmith Yeah, it's probably a drag weight thing, then. Trikes have a drag weight of 300, while megatheriums have a drag weight of 295 and therizinos have a drag weight of 250.
Actually, it probably isn't drag weight? Therizino and carnotaurus have the exact same drag weights of 250. My best guess is still whether or not it gets aggro from cave dinos.
I recently learn from a guy on the server i play on that bosses have a priority system to who they target. A rex is higher than a yuti. So if you put 1 rex in that fight the bosses will target the rex and leave you alone.
@Boomsmith so I don't the targeting works that way. If you have stegos and a yuty, the boss will target the yuty. Been playing around trying to figure this out
Yeah bosses typically aggro on the largest creature. I beat Alpha Fenrir on Fjordur with Allos, but I brought one rex that was only leveled in hp to draw aggro and tank so he wouldn't target me on the Yuty
@@Boomsmith ok. Yeah official is soo time consuming I like the challenge but stuff just takes too long I’m thinking about also enjoying Ark on my own server
@amc5048 there are some really good communities out there but sometimes they can be heavily modded. I'd recommend checking them out before dishing out the money for Nitrado. Sites like ark-servers.net can get you a list
Yut is bigger than therizino but they stayed on my therizinos in my last play through. I wonder if it's tied to the level and stats. I'll have to experiment a little when I do my next one!
Try direbear or carbo for the next boss fight, carbos are good in defense but not very good in damage. Direbears have awesome melee but terrible health.
I don’t know if you’d be interested in doing this but I think you should try some of the ark additions creatures such as the deinotheriums and deinosuchus as I know I and a bunch of other people would be interested in seeing how they fair
trikes drag weight is 300, carno is 250, perhaps there is also a priority threshold included in ai targeting that avours creatures other than yuty at 300 or above because the yuty is 500@@Boomsmith
@kmc1499 I'm currently editing the allosaurus video and I changed the order around and made the score card reflect the new order. Thanks for the input!
Bosses will target the larges creature in the arena first yuty is considered large so it will target that before the smaller dinos, on ase I used to use a stego and velos to kill some of the bosses
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I’m mutating a carno army now. Are they great? No, but I like carnos, the game has a lot of bosses and cool Dino’s, and having lots of options keeps it fresh. This is about what I expected, though I think you might have won alpha broodmother if you jumped on a carno’s back. Maybe. Great video, much appreciated
Carnos will be getting a redemption episode soon, I learned a lot since these days
The Most unique, intriguing & insightful ARK series ever. Thx man! Subbed.
You are too kind! Thank you so much.
Wow surprised by amount of mutations.. wanted to choose these as first time breeding project😢
That sound effect had perfect to 6:14
Oooo it really did. I should try to do that more often
This is some really weird behavior, I wonder if we will see this same situation with other creatures moving forward? Awesome video!
I have a feeling we will see this more often than not when using some of these early game tames.
Its how the bosses work the bosses will target the dino with the biggest drag weight
I think there's more to it than that, yuty has more drag weight than the therizino, dire bear, anky, trike, and carno but it has only happened to the carno so far
@@Boomsmith could it be dinos with the bigger hitbox compared to drag weight??
Episode 2.
This is the one where I might learn something. I've never cared for Carno's myself.
I learned they still suck 🤣
@@Boomsmith Sometimes having your own suspicions confirmed is good enough news. Have a number of these to go and really enjoying it.
I guess this video is old news by now, but I’d be extremely curious if trying carnos again with just a single Rex or two with high health or stego in defense mode would change the outcome, or if everything would eliminate the one tanking creature or even continue ignoring it to focus on you
A stego tank would work
i reslly like this series just seeing how they do against the bosses it kinda funny though how the bosses didnt really care about the carnos im kinda curious how the carno alternative the allos do or the mammoths even
I'll throw them on the list!
You got my subscribe. Thylacoleo, Allosaurs, and beezulbufo
Frog gang 🐸
Thylo doesn't go in boss fight
The weird targeting you experienced in this one, as many others have commented, is an intentional feature of boss ai that they target the largest creature so long as the player doesn't attack it directly. I tend to make use of it to fight the dragon boss using direwolves and a tanky stegosaurus, because the boss ignores the dogs biting at its feet the whole time and only attacks the stego instead. My only question is why it happened with the carnos and not the ankylosaurs. I thought it just had to do with drag weight but maybe there's more to it?
We'll have to see if it pops back up in some of the other fights. I'm sure we'll see it again, if not i'll run it with the carno again on my own and see if its replicated.
you should try some hyenadons. thats my plan
Didn't even think of it, I'll put them on the list
How about a diverse amount of strong different dinos, like, a rex, spino, thyla, trike, allo, and many more. All together fighting the overseer
might be something worth trying at the end of the series as a finale!
@@Boomsmith haha yes
this channel deserves more
You're here, that's all that matters!
Im actually breeding carnos to do this thanks to you video i know ill need a megatherium to follow the yuty to protect for brood and probably an all hp rex to tank the monkey dragon could probably be done the same way just on big dino to hold agro i appreciate the video now i have insight on how not to get wiped the first time i try it
Good luck!
@Boomsmith it's just ive been playing since the week after the game came out im bored with breeding rexs lol we used wolves to do the valguero bosses
@@phillip6370 I've been doing this as well but mutations have avoided me lol my babies hatch around 4368hp and 425 melee. I've used these since evolved for the easy element
amazing vids ma boi
Thank you!
Hey, would love to see terror birds, baryonx, and mammoths.
Herbivores should get a standard like 5 cakes per tame. Nobody who does dragon with theris would do so without cakes. 4 breath attacks and everything is dead.
Instead of trying to hit 22k HP, maybe just do a standard amount of wild points into HP and melee and then the 55 levels distributed how you see fit? Those carnos were 170 wild points in health. Maybe set it to like 150 wild points for both melee and health? That's like 50 mutations on a wild 50 stat. Also, there are commands to set the wild stat of a creature, which might be easier to work with.
Good info, thank you! Terrorbirds could be interesting!
Gotta use a couple stegos to pull agro and ride the carno.
Makes killing even the dragon a breeze. Can do it with zero mutations and primitive saddles
Stego tank is a great strat
Bosses ignore creatures below a certain size classification. You know how when you have a megatherium in a normal cave, the onyc and araneo ignore you? But if you were on a baryonx, everything would aggro to you instantly. That size difference is what determines when a boss will target you or will target your tames.
This was a common tactic in ASE with deinonychus, since they were small enough and would be ignored by the bosses. I could be mistaken, but I believe that shadowmanes behaved the same way and were also ignored by bosses. Baryonx definitely do the same thing and are ignored by bosses.
This tactic is really difficult to use as a solo player because the boss will just be focused on you the whole time with nobody else to take aggro. It really doesn't work well with the dragon on ASA yet.
(Deinonychus and magmasaur were the best way to take on dragon on ASE for a bit because the magmasaur was immune to most of the dragon's attacks. So you just ran away from everything while the deinonychus just bled the dragon out. When Gen 2 comes out, the small tame tactic will work well with dragon again.)
Is it drag weight specifically? I wonder what the threshold is.
@@Boomsmith It is probably a specific drag weight. But I don't know it.
Just finished the trike episode and didn't have the same issue@@spottedot
@@Boomsmith Yeah, it's probably a drag weight thing, then. Trikes have a drag weight of 300, while megatheriums have a drag weight of 295 and therizinos have a drag weight of 250.
Actually, it probably isn't drag weight? Therizino and carnotaurus have the exact same drag weights of 250. My best guess is still whether or not it gets aggro from cave dinos.
Curious can you take Elementals into boss fight?
Sadly, no
I recently learn from a guy on the server i play on that bosses have a priority system to who they target.
A rex is higher than a yuti. So if you put 1 rex in that fight the bosses will target the rex and leave you alone.
We learned on this thanks to Malik that herbivores are targeted first, by drag weight. Carnivores/omnivores by drag weight are after herbies
@@Boomsmith is that really the formula?
@@venous-gaming55 sure is
@@Boomsmith very good to know thanks
@Boomsmith so I don't the targeting works that way. If you have stegos and a yuty, the boss will target the yuty.
Been playing around trying to figure this out
In Gen 1 I used the fact the brutes would go after me instead of carnos to cheese pretty much all of them.
Excellent strategy
Try trikes they have that head buff and with ascendant saddle they could maybe destroy
Sorry I missed this! I hope you were able to see it
Yeah bosses typically aggro on the largest creature. I beat Alpha Fenrir on Fjordur with Allos, but I brought one rex that was only leveled in hp to draw aggro and tank so he wouldn't target me on the Yuty
Might try this strategy out
Awesome thank so the Caron stats need to be what??
I used 23k health and 1.2k melee in this. I'd recommend closer to 2k for the carno melee
@@Boomsmithwow that’s serious stats you must be on unofficial that serious mutation??
@amc5048 yeah I do all of this on my own server
@@Boomsmith ok. Yeah official is soo time consuming I like the challenge but stuff just takes too long I’m thinking about also enjoying Ark on my own server
@amc5048 there are some really good communities out there but sometimes they can be heavily modded. I'd recommend checking them out before dishing out the money for Nitrado. Sites like ark-servers.net can get you a list
Seeing as the bosses ignore your carnos you should probably focus less hp more damage.
Honestly with the low damage they have I don't even know if it would make much of a difference unless they were maxed out
I read somewhere the bosses target the biggest dinosaur. That is why they am targeted the Yuti over the Carnos
Yut is bigger than therizino but they stayed on my therizinos in my last play through. I wonder if it's tied to the level and stats. I'll have to experiment a little when I do my next one!
I think beyond a certain drag weight the bosses will start to aggro the boss dinos.
@@Boomsmith Can you add 1 full health bronto with 18 carnos to see if it changes the dynamic.
@@marcussloss6937brontos cant go into boss fight
@@harpaxpt There has to be something bigger than the yuti you can have tank while Carno's dps
Should have put a saddle on a carno and used it stay under the dragon to survive and allow them to work.
You're absolutely right
Daedons!
Tomorrow!
Should try allos, pack boost would make it interesting.
Definitely doing allos
Try the trike its gets 85 Prozent reduced Damage with out saddel the Same is is Pachy
Trikes are next!
@@Boomsmith take one daeodon too Trikes get so much reduced damage you can heal against it
just finished the trike episode, it will be out tomorrow at 10 am CST. @@rex432m.5
What are the stats of your Carnos?
They're at 01:25
Thank you, I must've missed them
Try direbear or carbo for the next boss fight, carbos are good in defense but not very good in damage. Direbears have awesome melee but terrible health.
The thought of carbos chasing the bosses 😂
I think the bears would be interesting too, they really do tons of damage.
@@pianoartist8830 bear episode is out
@@Boomsmith just checked it out, they demolished 💪
Carno needs some tlc
They really do.. there are so many dinos that need more love
Yep absolutly,could you maybe do a Video after the Boss videos about top 10 dinos that need tlc?
Great chanel and keep up the great work🫡
@@RONIN_-pb2ob I'll absolutely consider it!
I don’t know if you’d be interested in doing this but I think you should try some of the ark additions creatures such as the deinotheriums and deinosuchus as I know I and a bunch of other people would be interested in seeing how they fair
I'll consider it for sure!
110 mutations??? Please tell me you used a mod to help the breeding process. Either way that's some saintly patience.
Oh jeez if I bred all these yall would get 1 video a month 🤣
@Boomsmith phew. Possible idea, keep an x/19 death toll on the screen for fights. Love the reporting.
@@jillianbailey7376 good idea!
The bleeding work ?
It doesn't 😩
Did you know if any dino capacity work on him ?
@Cassus_belli dino capacity? The Mammoth debuff allegedly works but I didn't see much if a difference if it did
the bosses will always target the creatures with the highest drag weight first.
Interesting enough, the trike video comes out today and they didn't have the same agro issues the carnos had. Same with the anky video.
trikes drag weight is 300, carno is 250, perhaps there is also a priority threshold included in ai targeting that avours creatures other than yuty at 300 or above because the yuty is 500@@Boomsmith
Monkey being the second boss is a joke it sould be the 1st
You know... I always have done the broodmother first and I have no clue why. But you're right!
@@Boomsmith I've watched a few of these (all of them) and if they beat the brood they usual czn kill alpha monkey lol
@kmc1499 I'm currently editing the allosaurus video and I changed the order around and made the score card reflect the new order. Thanks for the input!
Bosses will target the larges creature in the arena first yuty is considered large so it will target that before the smaller dinos, on ase I used to use a stego and velos to kill some of the bosses
Strange, I didn't have the same issues with ankies! I wonder how 19 stegos would fair.
I used to run 2 Yutis in ASE, one with max health stat.
Im gonna be Using chalis To fight Monkey and brood
I'll be doing an episode on them later but let me know how it goes!
@@Boomsmith will do
Please do dire bears. I feel like they're very underrated
You got it!
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do it without mutations then wheres the point
Why wouldn't you have mutations?
takes ages @@Boomsmith
start doing videos on new games that arent dead. Your content style and voice will get you far if you talk about more popular content
Maybe! Any recommendations?