The most peaceful moment I have had in ministry since my ordination was when I hit the send button on the letter to my bishop resigning from my annual conference. Relax Bishop Carder I am at peace and you or the UMC can’t steal it. My peace comes from the Prince of Peace.
Lifetime Bishops was the biggest mistake the UMC ever made. We left the UMC when our church voted to stay. We love our new Global Methodist church. If you don't look forward to worship each Sunday and don't feel the Holy Spirit when you're there it's time to leave.
It's hard for people with power to admit when they no longer have authority. It doesn't matter if said power was ever real or even acknowledged. It's simply pride.
Excellent summary pastor. As a person who lives in the WNCCUMC, but not a Methodist, I have been following closely what was occurring at Wesley UMC in my former hometown. That church’s membership exceeds the membership of 10+ smaller UMC churches in the area and with one of the largest and most beautiful campuses and facilities of any in the UMC. A number of the members had the will and financial capacity to write a single check on behalf of the church to leave and were determined to make disaffiliation happen to their favor. They have been blessed to receive disaffiliation approval and, as I understand it, will remain independent for some time, though their clergy have joined the GMC. Thank you again for all you do to keep the people aware of what is happening in the Methodist denominations.
Every day there is some UMC official who unwittingly assures me that I made the right decision in leaving and joining the GMC. These bishops simply can not handle not being able to control everything. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they sue some of the disaffiliated churches when the inevitable occurs and people walk away from the UMC churches to their open doors.
It is a total disgrace. Our conference votes on the 18th. It can not to happen soon enough. I have no respect for the bishops. Our conference has been pitiful in how it has handled things.
That bishop's "UMC" cadence in his speech cracks me up - they all sound the same, just like the movie stereotypes. The veiled threats remind me of the mob.
I was thinking the same thing. I have heard that same hypnotic tone in the Presbyterian Church. Abide by my word says he then and only then will you find peace.... Creepy.
I'm not a Methodist and I'm not in Western North Carolina, but if I were a UMC layman there with that man as my Bishop the GMC wouldn't need to recruit me, I assure you.
To the little man with the paper in his hand... Number 1- don't pretend you have any more authority over me when I have rejected your authority. Number 2- you don't get to tell me who to talk to Number 3- you don't get to tell me what to talk about
'We should keep our elected officials close enough to kick them.' - GK Chesterton. This is a problem in our culture, as it see it, Everywhere. 'Accountability is for Thee, But Not for Me.' In truth some Bishops have been Christlike-servants while others have relished their power and authority as some Popes or Emperors.
The arrogance, condescension, and control freak nature of the bishops and the UMC overall are staggering. Their whole attitude amidst his entire power grab is basically them saying, "How dare you low intelligence people disagree with the radicals that have forcefully taken over?"
If I were to move to England from the United States, would I still have to obey all the US Rules after I've moved? Nope, because that isn't the governing body over me anymore. That should be obvious.
UMC: You aRe NoT To ReaD THe BiBLe FoR iT WiLL eXPoSe uS. They remind me a lot of J.W.s. Telling people what they can and can’t do and want you indoctrinated with their programming.
A little caution here, best for the 113 to take a close look at their Disaffiliation Agreements to make sure there is no fine print obligations regarding the no recruitment/gag order. Remember, the 113 have rounded third base, but not yet sled into home plate.
Bishop Carter was our Bishop in Florida. My husband and I have met him and talked to him. He seemed very nice. He has, evidently, come a long woke way.
It’s also completely hypocritical to say that they’re doing the same. The UMC is absolutely recruiting members from disaffiliated churches, even once they’ve left. Plus as we’ve seen there’s plenty of hatred for disaffiliated churches and even individuals among UMC clergy and lay people.
Our church is in North Georgia. According to pastor Rickman, churches in NC got 90% approval. In June the North Georgia conference approved 2 churches with 54% for one and 52% for the other. We are still very unsure hoe the vote c will go on November 18.
"And we pledge to you the same". So the Lighthouse Church movement of the UMC will NOT be welcomed in the WNCC? They have as a goal advertising and working to invite people from now-disaffiliating churches to leave those churches to go to the nearby UMCs. So they're already breaking the pledge he makes here- which is the kind of stuff for which we left.
I don't feel the good Bishop will have to worry about the disaffilated churches stealing their members. There is more than one reason for members to decide for themselves to leave and will be increasingly evident with those who remain with the UMC as the months and years come.
It is all together sad when brothers are in disagreement, but when the Holy Spirit has left the house one should follow. I am not ot the Methodist choosing but I pray that the better nature of their angels will one day reappear.
Bishop McAlilly said similar things in May at the Tennessee Western Kentucky Annual Conference and I imagine he will say similar things this on November 13. He can take a long walk off a short pier in my opinion.
Good commentary. UMC did a very poor job of selecting and developing spiritual leaders. This has been going on for decades. Finally reached a point where these poor decisions ended up being bishops and high leadership. I am glad people finally were able to get away. It will take time but the longer it goes the easier this break will be. May God continue to be with you.
this post took me all day to come up with,,, and please understand it isn't an attack on you,,,, in fact I enjoy your videos (and I still watch them :) )and look forward to the point that the GMC becomes your focus. So here goes /// Ethics matter. When a pastor leaves a congregation, pastoral ethics requires the pastor to cut all ties with the congregation and the congregation to cut all ties to the pastor. This allows the time of mourning and a new beginning with a new pastor. The old pastor is not allowed to come back to do funerals, or weddings, or to influence the church in any way. As I listened to this bishop this is the concept I heard,,, only applied to a bigger group including pastors and churches leaving. So,,, please discuss how YOU would apply this as a person that has left a church family and joined another.
I absolutely agree that ethics matter. I, however, think I disagree with the way that UMC practiced ethics around pastoral transitions. I think it adopted a largely clinical approach, with pastors serving as professionals. I just don't really subscribe to the model. I think the relations involved in church family are, by nature, intimate and vulnerable, and artificial attempts to constrain and control that do more harm than good. Rather, the task is to learn to navigate change was mature adults. And when folks refuse to do that, they need to be removed from the body, rather than revising the system in order to accommodate them. I have had former pastors come back and officiate things because they acknowledge my current role and operate around me. I'm not threatened, and the people are mature enough not to try and turn Cephas against Apollos. In leading the congregation in directions that previous pastors have been opposed to, I have openly spoken of them, their theology, their leadership, because I expect the congregation to behave as adults. So it isn't that I don't think ethics are important. I do. I just think we adopted a model of pastoral ministry that was dysfunctional and unintentionally caused a lot of phoniness and relational damage. So I anticipated this stuff at the end of my video and said that what we should aspire to is not silence on the topic, but fairness and concern with truth. If it just turns into defensive mudslinging, then that will be quite unfortunate. Yet we should exercise Christian discernment and maturity in speaking the truth in love. I don't do a perfect job at this, but I hope that folks who spend time with me come to understand their job, not to avoid uncomfortable topics, but to speak about them fairly and honestly among Christian company. That's a big undergirding part of what I'm doing here. You're right to highlight the difference in my approach from what became popular in the UMC. I am intentionally and self-consciously different from them in that way. I don't type this out necessarily to persuade you so much as to explain how my approach isn't as reactive as it might seem. I hope that helps you to listen to me in a way that is helpful to you, even if you don't agree with me.
I wonder. This seems not to be a matter of ‘allowance’ but a matter of respecting the new Pastor. Surely it would be a matter of courtesy to let the former pastor to visit his old church as a member of the laity or even invite him to preach a sermon. None of this should be seen as threatening in any way. As a pastor one must recognize that it is Christ’ church and we are but members of the greater Body. As Paul said, “I pray brothers that their be no division among you.”
Its funny in away... I have some friends in WNC, some go to a UMC church that voted to leave and was approved and paid there dues $$ you might say. Their vote was about 80% to leave that left 20%. I also have some friends that go to a UMC in WNC that wanted to leave, Voted to leave around 75% to 25%. BUT when told what it was going to cost $$ to leave and because the church is very small could not afford the (price tag) $$$. They ultimately decided to stay. GUESS WHAT? These 2 churches were about 4 miles apart and part of a charge. Soooooo, A lot of the folks from the church that stayed UMC. "On their own" moved to the church that left UMC and almost all of the 20% that wanted to stay UMC in the Church, moved over to the other church. It was just a flip flop for the 2 churches..... and everybody is happy they all still get along and talk to each other. These 2 churches are in the country so everyone knows everyone. This Bishop is using some scare tactics and he's losing about 35-40% or more UMC and its a lot of $$$$$ to him and the WNC UMC and UMC as a whole.. That's the bottom line to the biggest % of the high ups in the UMC. They likely could care less about the LGBTQ or authority of Scripture at this point. Take a while to make up or get back that 40%. The same type thing only on a smaller scale happened to the Presbyterian Church USA about 50 Yrs ago when the Presbyterian Church in America split. So to all the folks that left the UMC. Just worship in Spirit and in Truth and if your church grows👍👍 🙌🙌. The ones at the other churches who wanted to leave, will just naturally congregate to your church and you'll never have to say a word. Or they will leave and just go where the Spirit will feed them. Have a Blessed Day.....
Small church. Studio is adjoining a hallway that children sometimes play in. Their mothers are in the kitchen making multiple meals for their families. The kids are usually pretty good, but sometimes there is screaming.
I'm the last person to attempt to defend Bp Carter's actions during the disaffiliation process. I don't hear him telling churches what to do. His concern is for the "peace" of those churches. As a general proposition, reaction against someone or some thing for wrongs committed in the past is a recipe for turmoil. His admonition re: "sheep stealing" is silly. There are many who remain with liberal churches who are orthodox in their theology. Most of us would be better off if we left, but there are many reasons we stay.
WHO CONSTITUTES THE CHURCH?? (Revelation 21:22) And I saw no "TEMPLE" therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the "TEMPLE" of it (Revelation 11:1-2) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure "the TEMPLE OF GOD" and the altar, and "THEM" that worship "THEREIN" but the court which is "without" the TEMPLE leave out, and measure it NOT for it is GIVEN unto the "GENTILES" (👆 gentiles can not enter the temple aka the body of Christ - they can not be apart of the church as it's written)
Oh my goodness, you wanted to leave. You don't need to publicly process to get over your feelings. This whole GMC game of saying you're abused is deeply hurtful for those who have faced intimate partner violence and abuse.
I did a recent piece on why it is that I have chosen to keep speaking about these things after leaving. I gave seven reasons, none of them being a personal need to process. I feel like I have done a pretty good job, personally, at having processed what I went through. I notice a lot of other folks need help, which is one of the efforts of this channel. The notion that I'm hurting people who have faced intimate partner violence doesn't seem immediately true, as I have been doing this for a year, and this is the first time that anyone has said anything about it. Even so, it came to your mind. I'd like to think that naming some of the narcissistic behaviors on the part of an institution can be helpful on an individual level for folks to identify such behaviors in bad potential partners. Rather than fear the wrath of those who have been damaged, I'd be eager to try to equip folks to think through healthy relationship dynamics before it is too late. You can choose to be offended by this, of course, and to disbelieve my hopes and intentions. Just understand that some folks really do see the UMC as an institution that is continuing to harm many greatly, and for good reason. This sort of pushback doesn't really do much except exacerbate resentment. If I am mistaken about any fact I report, then I can and will repent of any false representation. However, if video shows pretty clearly how problematic the personalities are at the top, then on a certain level it become hateful of me not to circulate such knowledge when I now have the ability to easily do so.
This guy just wants to cause more harm to their church. This is why I don't go to church. It's all about CASH/MONEY. This guy is like, YOUR NOT MY DAD I'LL DO WHAT I WANT.
Wait, what? I’m not a Methodist but what I hear in Carter's opening comments is a straight up declaration that he’d like to think the body some people are choosing to leave can somehow control what the leavers do or say they leave. In the first place, that’s just plain silly: how can the UMC possibly penalise departing churches for ‘recruiting’ laypeople or clergy or ‘commenting’ on the church they left? What are you going to do: sue them, write graffiti on the doors of their churches, take drive-by pot shots at their pets? You don’t have any means of stopping them and you know it. Second: why are you lowering yourself to threatening people who leave? If they’re wrong, they’ll shrivel and you’ll thrive. So I can only conclude from these vaguely menacing but ultimately empty threats that you’re afraid the ones who are going to shrivel. I don’t know you, Mr Carter, but I’d guess could do better than this.
The most peaceful moment I have had in ministry since my ordination was when I hit the send button on the letter to my bishop resigning from my annual conference. Relax Bishop Carder I am at peace and you or the UMC can’t steal it. My peace comes from the Prince of Peace.
"...My peace comes from the Prince of Peace...".
Ahhh... So does any "...ordination..."... No need for any human-contrived religion.
Amen.
Lifetime Bishops was the biggest mistake the UMC ever made. We left the UMC when our church voted to stay. We love our new Global Methodist church. If you don't look forward to worship each Sunday and don't feel the Holy Spirit when you're there it's time to leave.
People are going to leave even if their church doesn't.
It's hard for people with power to admit when they no longer have authority. It doesn't matter if said power was ever real or even acknowledged. It's simply pride.
I love when they tell you what you can and cannot do.
while doing bad. 😂
So you know what you should not, and should do, respectively?
Excellent summary pastor. As a person who lives in the WNCCUMC, but not a Methodist, I have been following closely what was occurring at Wesley UMC in my former hometown. That church’s membership exceeds the membership of 10+ smaller UMC churches in the area and with one of the largest and most beautiful campuses and facilities of any in the UMC. A number of the members had the will and financial capacity to write a single check on behalf of the church to leave and were determined to make disaffiliation happen to their favor. They have been blessed to receive disaffiliation approval and, as I understand it, will remain independent for some time, though their clergy have joined the GMC. Thank you again for all you do to keep the people aware of what is happening in the Methodist denominations.
The bishop's use of a threatening tone - and it is - was exceptionally inappropriate. It will have exactly the opposite effect on people's actions.
Every day there is some UMC official who unwittingly assures me that I made the right decision in leaving and joining the GMC.
These bishops simply can not handle not being able to control everything. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they sue some of the disaffiliated churches when the inevitable occurs and people walk away from the UMC churches to their open doors.
It is a total disgrace. Our conference votes on the 18th. It can not to happen soon enough.
I have no respect for the bishops. Our conference has been pitiful in how it has handled things.
That bishop's "UMC" cadence in his speech cracks me up - they all sound the same, just like the movie stereotypes. The veiled threats remind me of the mob.
I was thinking the same thing. I have heard that same hypnotic tone in the Presbyterian Church. Abide by my word says he then and only then will you find peace.... Creepy.
I'm not a Methodist and I'm not in Western North Carolina, but if I were a UMC layman there with that man as my Bishop the GMC wouldn't need to recruit me, I assure you.
To the little man with the paper in his hand...
Number 1- don't pretend you have any more authority over me when I have rejected your authority.
Number 2- you don't get to tell me who to talk to
Number 3- you don't get to tell me what to talk about
They do not feed their sheep. That is why they are leaving.
I am not a sheep thief but when a sheep comes to the flock I serve it becomes fair game.
'We should keep our elected officials close enough to kick them.' - GK Chesterton. This is a problem in our culture, as it see it, Everywhere. 'Accountability is for Thee, But Not for Me.' In truth some Bishops have been Christlike-servants while others have relished their power and authority as some Popes or Emperors.
If you are told to detach entirely, then you don't get to give orders to what the detached church can or cannot do.
The arrogance, condescension, and control freak nature of the bishops and the UMC overall are staggering. Their whole attitude amidst his entire power grab is basically them saying, "How dare you low intelligence people disagree with the radicals that have forcefully taken over?"
There is no reconciliation with Satan.
If I were to move to England from the United States, would I still have to obey all the US Rules after I've moved? Nope, because that isn't the governing body over me anymore.
That should be obvious.
The true issue is: The authority of Scripture. To reject the Word of God is to reject Christ Jesus.
UMC: You aRe NoT To ReaD THe BiBLe FoR iT WiLL eXPoSe uS.
They remind me a lot of J.W.s. Telling people what they can and can’t do and want you indoctrinated with their programming.
A little caution here, best for the 113 to take a close look at their Disaffiliation Agreements to make sure there is no fine print obligations regarding the no recruitment/gag order. Remember, the 113 have rounded third base, but not yet sled into home plate.
Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty free at last!❤❤ I have never been a fan of Bishop Ken Carter.
Bishop Carter was our Bishop in Florida. My husband and I have met him and talked to him. He seemed very nice. He has, evidently, come a long woke way.
The sheep are being separated. The Bible doesn't need any help in its Words. It says what it says.
It’s also completely hypocritical to say that they’re doing the same. The UMC is absolutely recruiting members from disaffiliated churches, even once they’ve left. Plus as we’ve seen there’s plenty of hatred for disaffiliated churches and even individuals among UMC clergy and lay people.
Light house initiative
".....you are not to recruit". Rigggghhhhhttttt! Good luck with that.
Did he just forbid evangelism?
More "shut up" from the left. The gag order is actually a part of the disaffiliation agreement in N. Georgia, if we get that far.
That is so damning. I feel sorry for the folks left behind who have to pretend as though their leadership is moral.
Our church is in North Georgia. According to pastor Rickman, churches in NC got 90% approval. In June the North Georgia conference approved 2 churches with 54% for one and 52% for the other. We are still very unsure hoe the vote c will go on November 18.
"And we pledge to you the same". So the Lighthouse Church movement of the UMC will NOT be welcomed in the WNCC? They have as a goal advertising and working to invite people from now-disaffiliating churches to leave those churches to go to the nearby UMCs.
So they're already breaking the pledge he makes here- which is the kind of stuff for which we left.
I don't feel the good Bishop will have to worry about the disaffilated churches stealing their members. There is more than one reason for members to decide for themselves to leave and will be increasingly evident with those who remain with the UMC as the months and years come.
Does heresy bring peace? Quite the opposite. Can heretics dictate terms of leaving to followers of historic Christianity?
As long as people go to church voluntarily, he can’t put any constraints.
Lol! You got to be kidding!!! I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid
Yes, your magesty!
People in hell want ice water, bishop.
It is all together sad when brothers are in disagreement, but when the Holy Spirit has left the house one should follow. I am not ot the Methodist choosing but I pray that the better nature of their angels will one day reappear.
Bishop McAlilly said similar things in May at the Tennessee Western Kentucky Annual Conference and I imagine he will say similar things this on November 13. He can take a long walk off a short pier in my opinion.
It sounds like he’s trying to enforce an NDA so their hypocrisy and heresy does not come to public scrutiny. That tactic always works so well 🙄.
I'm hopeful that you will be reporting on the North Georgia called conference.
Maranatha.
First of all, we who have left are no longer under your authority, so your threatening little orders are laughable at best.
I see more Star Wars parallels with this current crisis within the UMC than the MCU.
Nice.
Good commentary. UMC did a very poor job of selecting and developing spiritual leaders. This has been going on for decades. Finally reached a point where these poor decisions ended up being bishops and high leadership. I am glad people finally were able to get away. It will take time but the longer it goes the easier this break will be. May God continue to be with you.
Thank you! I'm glad you received me this way. Blessings to you!
What is that tone that he is using. I have heard it from the pulpit before. It almost has a hypnotic effect. But it also sounds dry as dust.
this post took me all day to come up with,,, and please understand it isn't an attack on you,,,, in fact I enjoy your videos (and I still watch them :) )and look forward to the point that the GMC becomes your focus.
So here goes /// Ethics matter. When a pastor leaves a congregation, pastoral ethics requires the pastor to cut all ties with the congregation and the congregation to cut all ties to the pastor. This allows the time of mourning and a new beginning with a new pastor. The old pastor is not allowed to come back to do funerals, or weddings, or to influence the church in any way. As I listened to this bishop this is the concept I heard,,, only applied to a bigger group including pastors and churches leaving.
So,,, please discuss how YOU would apply this as a person that has left a church family and joined another.
I absolutely agree that ethics matter. I, however, think I disagree with the way that UMC practiced ethics around pastoral transitions. I think it adopted a largely clinical approach, with pastors serving as professionals. I just don't really subscribe to the model. I think the relations involved in church family are, by nature, intimate and vulnerable, and artificial attempts to constrain and control that do more harm than good. Rather, the task is to learn to navigate change was mature adults. And when folks refuse to do that, they need to be removed from the body, rather than revising the system in order to accommodate them.
I have had former pastors come back and officiate things because they acknowledge my current role and operate around me. I'm not threatened, and the people are mature enough not to try and turn Cephas against Apollos. In leading the congregation in directions that previous pastors have been opposed to, I have openly spoken of them, their theology, their leadership, because I expect the congregation to behave as adults.
So it isn't that I don't think ethics are important. I do. I just think we adopted a model of pastoral ministry that was dysfunctional and unintentionally caused a lot of phoniness and relational damage. So I anticipated this stuff at the end of my video and said that what we should aspire to is not silence on the topic, but fairness and concern with truth. If it just turns into defensive mudslinging, then that will be quite unfortunate. Yet we should exercise Christian discernment and maturity in speaking the truth in love. I don't do a perfect job at this, but I hope that folks who spend time with me come to understand their job, not to avoid uncomfortable topics, but to speak about them fairly and honestly among Christian company. That's a big undergirding part of what I'm doing here. You're right to highlight the difference in my approach from what became popular in the UMC. I am intentionally and self-consciously different from them in that way.
I don't type this out necessarily to persuade you so much as to explain how my approach isn't as reactive as it might seem. I hope that helps you to listen to me in a way that is helpful to you, even if you don't agree with me.
Whenever we take our eyes off of Jesus...anything can happen.
I wonder. This seems not to be a matter of ‘allowance’ but a matter of respecting the new Pastor. Surely it would be a matter of courtesy to let the former pastor to visit his old church as a member of the laity or even invite him to preach a sermon. None of this should be seen as threatening in any way. As a pastor one must recognize that it is Christ’ church and we are but members of the greater Body. As Paul said, “I pray brothers that their be no division among you.”
Its funny in away... I have some friends in WNC, some go to a UMC church that voted to leave and was approved and paid there dues $$ you might say. Their vote was about 80% to leave that left 20%. I also have some friends that go to a UMC in WNC that wanted to leave, Voted to leave around 75% to 25%. BUT when told what it was going to cost $$ to leave and because the church is very small could not afford the (price tag) $$$. They ultimately decided to stay. GUESS WHAT? These 2 churches were about 4 miles apart and part of a charge. Soooooo, A lot of the folks from the church that stayed UMC. "On their own" moved to the church that left UMC and almost all of the 20% that wanted to stay UMC in the Church, moved over to the other church. It was just a flip flop for the 2 churches..... and everybody is happy they all still get along and talk to each other. These 2 churches are in the country so everyone knows everyone. This Bishop is using some scare tactics and he's losing about 35-40% or more UMC and its a lot of $$$$$ to him and the WNC UMC and UMC as a whole.. That's the bottom line to the biggest % of the high ups in the UMC. They likely could care less about the LGBTQ or authority of Scripture at this point. Take a while to make up or get back that 40%. The same type thing only on a smaller scale happened to the Presbyterian Church USA about 50 Yrs ago when the Presbyterian Church in America split.
So to all the folks that left the UMC. Just worship in Spirit and in Truth and if your church grows👍👍 🙌🙌. The ones at the other churches who wanted to leave, will just naturally congregate to your church and you'll never have to say a word. Or they will leave and just go where the Spirit will feed them. Have a Blessed Day.....
The churches that leave will be the ones who will be at peace. The new UMC will be the ones who will ultimately be in turmoil.
Will this guy hold his breath if you don't comply? Lol.
What’s that horrific screaming between 3:05-3:30?
Small church. Studio is adjoining a hallway that children sometimes play in. Their mothers are in the kitchen making multiple meals for their families. The kids are usually pretty good, but sometimes there is screaming.
Go and make disciples…
I'm the last person to attempt to defend Bp Carter's actions during the disaffiliation process. I don't hear him telling churches what to do. His concern is for the "peace" of those churches. As a general proposition, reaction against someone or some thing for wrongs committed in the past is a recipe for turmoil. His admonition re: "sheep stealing" is silly. There are many who remain with liberal churches who are orthodox in their theology. Most of us would be better off if we left, but there are many reasons we stay.
Shocking level of arrogance!
WHO CONSTITUTES THE CHURCH??
(Revelation 21:22) And I saw no "TEMPLE" therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the "TEMPLE" of it
(Revelation 11:1-2) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure "the TEMPLE OF GOD" and the altar, and "THEM" that worship "THEREIN"
but the court which is "without" the TEMPLE leave out, and measure it NOT for it is GIVEN unto the "GENTILES"
(👆 gentiles can not enter the temple aka the body of Christ - they can not be apart of the church as it's written)
Oh my goodness, you wanted to leave. You don't need to publicly process to get over your feelings. This whole GMC game of saying you're abused is deeply hurtful for those who have faced intimate partner violence and abuse.
I did a recent piece on why it is that I have chosen to keep speaking about these things after leaving. I gave seven reasons, none of them being a personal need to process. I feel like I have done a pretty good job, personally, at having processed what I went through. I notice a lot of other folks need help, which is one of the efforts of this channel.
The notion that I'm hurting people who have faced intimate partner violence doesn't seem immediately true, as I have been doing this for a year, and this is the first time that anyone has said anything about it. Even so, it came to your mind. I'd like to think that naming some of the narcissistic behaviors on the part of an institution can be helpful on an individual level for folks to identify such behaviors in bad potential partners. Rather than fear the wrath of those who have been damaged, I'd be eager to try to equip folks to think through healthy relationship dynamics before it is too late. You can choose to be offended by this, of course, and to disbelieve my hopes and intentions. Just understand that some folks really do see the UMC as an institution that is continuing to harm many greatly, and for good reason. This sort of pushback doesn't really do much except exacerbate resentment. If I am mistaken about any fact I report, then I can and will repent of any false representation. However, if video shows pretty clearly how problematic the personalities are at the top, then on a certain level it become hateful of me not to circulate such knowledge when I now have the ability to easily do so.
This guy just wants to cause more harm to their church. This is why I don't go to church. It's all about CASH/MONEY. This guy is like, YOUR NOT MY DAD I'LL DO WHAT I WANT.
Oh, my!
Sounds like episcope Carter thinks he's HIS EMINENCE. Follow the money! Without sustaining revenue the UMC goes bust.
😅😅😅😅😅
Dear arrogant Bishop - we have freedom of speech. This is America.
Laughable
Y'all gotta good scoldin'. Loved the lady on his left and her slightly sneered expression.
Wait, what? I’m not a Methodist but what I hear in Carter's opening comments is a straight up declaration that he’d like to think the body some people are choosing to leave can somehow control what the leavers do or say they leave.
In the first place, that’s just plain silly: how can the UMC possibly penalise departing churches for ‘recruiting’ laypeople or clergy or ‘commenting’ on the church they left? What are you going to do: sue them, write graffiti on the doors of their churches, take drive-by pot shots at their pets? You don’t have any means of stopping them and you know it.
Second: why are you lowering yourself to threatening people who leave? If they’re wrong, they’ll shrivel and you’ll thrive. So I can only conclude from these vaguely menacing but ultimately empty threats that you’re afraid the ones who are going to shrivel.
I don’t know you, Mr Carter, but I’d guess could do better than this.