Emotiva XPA GEN3 _(Z Reviews)_ The Future of Hifi Amps
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How about comparing this one to the xpa-dr3 at 450 watts x 3 channels. Is it worth extra $1000.?
@@geraldperry7779 I think the 5 channel is the best at 250 watts into 8 ohm's all channels driven.
I am never going to buy this, dont need this, have work to do, but still watching this video. Help.
Yeah i have little to no interest higher end audio stuff. I just like the videos.
@@heliumfreak5364 emotiva is considered mid-fi ish in the hifi world... it's 1 step above crown.
Monoblock kool-aid is the biggest lie audiophools drink on a daily basis (empty the wallet twice). I have yet to see a pair of monoblocks do anything better than my Yam A-S2100 integrated.
@@aceofspades6667
Funny guy
W A - Sweet amp. I bet you’d be able to hear a difference if you ran a Emotiva XSP-1 gen 2 preamp with your sweet ass Yamaha integrated amp! At the price point your at now people get extremely opinionated and fastidious
I absolutely love mine. Nice review!
I finally got my olm custom speakers took 6 months left and right 1500 centers and custom power woofer with 2 ,12" I bought olm because of your review. there absolutely kick butt.there built for my living room dimensions. John the owner designed them for me.
I have one of these. The first thing you notice about this amp is that because of the compactness of the switching power supply, it is...mostly empty. That's because the same amp structure is used to take between one and 7 amplifier modules. They have rolled out a monoblock chassis now that cuts down on the empty space in that configuration. But the power supply can supply peaks up to 3000W, so the power supply is not the practical limit of this amp - it is actually the protection circuit, which limits the minimum speaker impedance the amp will drive to around 2.5 ohms. If there were no protection active on the modules, they could drive ultra-low impedances of down to 1.6 ohms, to peak power of 1500W, on both channels. But the individual amp modules can't handle that kind of current without destroying the output devices, so there is limiting. My assessment of this amplifier is it has gobs of power to really drive any full-range speakers you might have, but it has no sweeteners. My Aragon A2004 amp from the 90's (bought used from a friend) has less power but sounds quite a lot nicer. I might press this amp back into service to drive some passive subwoofers. But I haven't sold it.
I have my HTPC sitting on top of my XPA-5 and the power supply from the PC interferes. I don't really use the XPA-5 much anymore since I have XPA-1 monoblocks now and usually just listen to 2 channel anyway. I tried comparing my old Carver amp to the XPA-5 and I could hear no difference. I'm not really sure how people hear differences between quality amplifiers. Their ears must be better than mine.
looking forward to that Brooklyn DAC Review :)
@@E.Frey2002 They make amazing products nonetheless :) I am super interested to see what Z say about them... I had a choice not too long ago... I went Schiit Bifrost 2 :P
Thanks for the video Emotiva is a fantastic company!!!!
Funny thing, I like them better for 2 channel although running their amps in a HT setup would rock your theater. There is a reason Paul with PS audio runs Emotiva amps with his home theater.
The first thing I said when he walks in to his room:
"HOLY FUCK!!!"
A crook’s dream and a clean freak’s nightmare
Hey buddy. Thanks for the videos in these tuff times. I’m here in NY. So be safe buddy.
Bought a Hitachi HA-7700 that was a class H in the late 70's... Incredible amp it was with huge separate transformers for each channel. It was rated at 70 watts a channel.
30:00 I *want* to believe that Zeos stuck his head into it.
Nice case 👍👍
I just bought my 590's and side/back 530's and center based on your video's. Last night I purchased this amp in 3 channel version and then I saw this video. At 28 minutes in gave me a real chuckle. Oh well this should be interesting.
How is it sonically?
Shortly after posting this I changed several components due to some sale prices. Current configuration:
* 4 wall mounted 530's (Atmos)
*6 590's Front, Sides, Rear
* Emotiva C2+ CC
* 2 Emotiva BasX 2 channel (Atmos)
* 1 Emotiva XPA 3 front stage
*1 Parasound 5 channel (sides & rear)
*1 Onkyo TX-RZ3100
* Mini DSP
*2 Rythmik F18's (rear placement)
*2 Rythmik F12's (front placment)
streaming and sound to Onkyo on gaming PC 12th Gen I7/ASUS Strix 4090 (HDMI 2.1 VRR)
Console gaming (PS5/SeriesX) (HDMI splitter 2.1)
Panasonic 820K 4k player directly into Onkyo (DTS and Atmos)
Running Earc from 85' Sony full array native 120
Everything is pumped through the sound system gaming using Dolby Surround for the 7.2.4 but due to daisy chain subs 7.4.4 is incredible / I listen to all kinds of music but a lot of EDM in all channel stereo and it really thumps. The subs all have SVS isolation pads which helped a lot and then the mini dsp and extra room correction really dialed it in. I am very happy with the sound. I like the Emotiva amp more than the Parasound - everyone says the Parasound has a warmer sound and the Emotiva is a cool sound, I dont know I just know they both have no distortion at reference level volume and from the horns on the 590's I like the sound better (personal preference) with the Emotiva. I do listen to jazz, classical, 90's, 80's, electoswing as well and to my ear it sounds accurate and crisp. Doesnt matter what source I am on it all works well together - the timbre matches. Im no audiophile or expert just an enthusiast that likes what I hear. I hope this answered you question.
@@toorop111
I wonder how this unit sounds compared to the monoprice monolith 2x200 watts for 999$ as well
Wow, so much space. Can put in some DIY amp boards or would a Jean Hiraga Class A fit in there? An Allo Didigone Signature will definitely fit in there.
Class H is basically class AB with two voltage levels in power supply instead of one. When signal is large enough, the higher voltage takes over and that is the principle behind power saving.
Isn't that what class ab does? Instead of power being 100% all the time like class a, it drops power when no signal is present?
Yeah that was my thinking as we'll???????
you can buy the blades separately at a later date
Love your opinion on the XPA-DR3 compare to XPA-3, 450watts vs 275watts, is it really worth the extra $1000.
Future Diamond Platinum Zeos review coming soon with the Mytec DAC on the left there.
Can you see if Emotiva will send you a BasX PT-100 to review. I would really like to see how this works with your main rig. Thanks.
Nice little desk-system there...
Nice video Zeos!...As soon as we get through with this human malware....I am getting the Crown 2502 and the Emotiva BasX PT-100 Pre-Amplifier. I can later add on another 2502 and use them in bridged mode. My buddy has a ART TPS II Tube microphone/Line Pre-amp , and a Behringer Ultracurve Pro DEQ2496 Ultra-High Precision 24-Bit/96 kHz Equalizer, Analyzer, Feedback Destroyer and Mastering Processor that he has agreed to let me try out. Curious of how adding tube into the mix. Then I could let the Ultracurve analyze my room and then let it auto equalize to my room. Then I'll check the results. I will give feedback the results.
How did the XLS 2502 turn out? Enough power?
Nice headphone collection! 😃
Zeos, When powering up the amp the red light is on while the amp figures out what type of power it is connected to, 125/250 then it powers up.
Amazing review!! More like having a conversation with you rather than a review. Do you have any inputs on Outlaw audio amps? I am looking at Outlaw 5000 or 7000 amps.
Yes!!!! The review so many want but no one has done yet.
The beauty of switchmode supplies:
Efficency
Variable input voltage
Low output ripple (less than 50mV in most cases) even with your fridge on the same circuit (don't do that in the US)
Need to test this with the Parasound 2350.
When you go to a live concert you are likely listening to Crown amps through horn speakers. So if that is your thing, buy a Crown amp and Klipsch speakers. I've got Emotivas (PT-100 with UPA-2) and ELACs (BSU5) because humans are dumb. :-). Thumbs up for another great video Z.
Finally some hard stuff ;)
I have the dr 2 and it’s a great amp.
Nice post
Wooooow the new go pro looks cleannnn
60 fps.
How about a review of that Mytek Brooklyn dac + ??
I’d rather have a parasound a31 or 21 but is love to hear this boy
Zeos!!!!! The Brooklyn dac+ has a triger it's just kinda hidden please look for it hook it to the amp make short video and show all your viewers because I think that's a mint combo
Zee could you please review the ERGO 1 Headphones . I know the incredible stupid looking headphones but ,I would like to hear your opinion on them.
Hi, could u please guide me which external amp I should go for my home theater .. whether Emotiva XPA7 or Crown DSI 300/N and why... looking forward your response...
Need to compare this vs Vidar on Maggie LRS asap
Your last system what would you buy
Does he say if is better or worse than Crown Xls 2502?
That tempo in the intro music sounded a lot like Zimmer’s Rise from Dark Knight Rises
Due to corona quarantine, this amp looks like my wallet.
Pretty outside, but empty AF.
You should have more with unemployment plus the extra $600, plus the $1200, I'm confused.
skol vikings no really. I live in Canada. I’m a chef in a fine dining restaurant. I make almost a second salary only with tips.
Beside the fact I’m not working 80hours + a week, like every chef during summer.
Leon Lemgruber , my nephew is a waiter here in Texas. Between unemployment and the US federal $600, he’s bringing in almost 1100 a week to sit on his couch, play video games, or jerk off. It may be hard to get him back to busting his ass turning tables.
Checkout Keywords Studios, they have several companies iin the gaming industry and have a wide range of various freelance online jobs. I've been with them for five years. They also got offices to work at in Montreal, Dublin, Madrid etc. etc.
7:28 My two favorite things just collided. Z Reviews and Rocket League. What a time to be alive.
All I have to say is.. THAnk yOU
I have an XPA 2 Gen 2 on my desk 🤣
This amp design reminds me of the old Bob Carver amp. Are they similar in design or totally different?
What's your favorite dacs with xlr input for a rmc 1 pre pro
Hi budy thanks for the video I learned too much but,I have a question , does the emotiva amp come with remote control?
No
My next AMP 9.1
How does this compared with schitt vidar? Thanks
So the Emotiva is not worth it over Crown 1002s at 350w Into four ohms? No sound quality improvement?
Crown 1002 power consumption does not exceed 175W for both channels (2x80W?). This is written on the back plate. So do not expect more than that in the out ports. Emotiva XPA Gen3 has got 3kW power supply so it can feed about 2kW output in multichannel config. 2 channel version cannot consume more than 1kW.
No sense to compare Crown 1002 toy with full powered Emotiva XPA Gen3.
Where is the DR2 review Z? I thought you liked going big and over the top!?
I wonder if you could just buy extra amplifier sections and install them like upgrading your video card in your computer. The whole thing is set up for 7 channels even the power supply board has power connections for 7 channels. That would be a great marketing campaign. Sell them as an upgradable blade system. As you upgrade to 3 channels 5 channels 7 you can just add a couple extra blades
U can't unfortunately, they say health and safety
@@lifeevent88 You can, but you need to send it in for them to add the blades.
Westworld Season III is already running Zeos..
Just picked one up online renewed for 899$
Hi, will this XPA 2 Gen 3 be good powering Dynaudio Excite x34 Speakers?
What an incredible signal maker bigger coca eena storage device.
They have one version of this one with 7 blades and 11 channels. 4 stereo blades and 3 mono higher power.
...and all use the same chassis which is why this one looks so empty.
Oh shit, you have the heresy IV, ive been debating between buying that or the forte iii since in europe they're close to the same price.
What would you recomend for a medium room?
I know the forte iii have better bass I just want to know hoe the mid range and highs compare, if the heresy isnt better by more than a smidge the forte iiis are the ones to go with Im guessing
I think the Heresy have better mids and highs. Lack low end and are WAY too low. I am going to recommend people put them up on stands if they are serious about music listening. ALSO they are so efficient that it throws off the balance a bit. If you crank them the horns overtake the 12" and they start sounding thin. So I am Bi-Amping them to correct that.
@@ZReviews is the efficiency problem also a thing with the fortes?
Is the review going to be out on patreon any time soon? Thanks Z
seems the power supply in it is 800w total.
It's crazy how it's cheaper to make a 7 channel amp with only 2 amps than to have 7 different product lines being manufactured but makes sense in a weird way
I’ve had this same Amp for 6 months. For only $1,000 it’s been great👍
What's the headphone on the wood stand?
It's the HD565 Ovation, the review was just to the right of the vid, lol.
Thanks for the review. I debated buying this 5 channel amp. Glad i stuck with my crown xls amps instead of this emotiva. Double the price for no audible gain or difference. Large and bulky, hardly fits in any tv stand. I drive polk lsim 707 towers with crown xls 1502, crown xls 1002 drives polk lsim 703 and the yamaha avr drives the center channel. Audiophiles can't handle the fact they spent 8k on an amp and these new transistor board amplifiers are becoming the new norm.
Crown amps have full power at 1.4v and .775v. With selective input sensitivity. Even with weak voltage from modern avr's there is no issue with driving my speakers. No one wants to spend 3-5 grand on a pre amp. I've driven those amps with different brand receivers and never noticed a difference.
Crown xls 1502 has 250W power consumption MAX while
Crown xls 1002 has 175W power consumption MAX.
Both of them don't out more than that.
Emotiva XPA Gen3 has got 3kW power supply block, so it has fair power.
With that trick power supply, they are capable of putting more power out than they pull from the wall. The caps store power for a few seconds that the amp can pull from. The 1502 was bench tested and did hit it's numbers. The catch is that the power is specified at 1000 hz. It can't hit those numbers at lower bass frequencies such as 50hz. Still the amps put out a ton of power for what you pay.
Take note that he says he can't hear the difference between the XPA and the Crown XLS 2502. No doubt an audiophile will hear a big difference. Speakers also make a difference. I also do DJing and I have owned the 1002, 1502, 2502. I sold all of them to my DJ buddies. I didn't like how the bass sounded and also the high end was not natural sounding. It's Class D so I was not surprised.
Also the noise floor on those amps is too high.
I am thinking about getting this Emotiva. Looks priced really well compared to the competition for an audiophile quality Class AB amp. Seems to have tons of power. I currently own a 100 watt and 125 watt per channel rated amps. I just need to figure out if the extra power will benefit my setup. I would just it not for DJing but to power two tower speakers in my home setup.
Did you go for it? Also have a Marantz powering 125w p channel thinking on going for this Emotiva!
Love the review Zeos. This is a "Dak catalog" amplifier. Onkyo made a cheap monoblock amplifier in the late 80s to late 90s that sold like hot cakes at every BrandsmartUSA, NobodybeatstheWiz, etc for $299 or less. Looks like Emotiva did its best to copy it minus the amp handles. They were reliable but were nothing special. This is the Hyundai Sonata of amplifiers. You can pick up a used crown or anything solid state from the last 30 years and it will cost less, probably sound better, and offer some good old nostalgia. Emotiva is nothing special. When the company launched 15+ years ago some of their gear was interesting and had a better value proposition, imho. Metal remotes, 😂. Today the chi-fi market is flooded with interesting stuff. There is nothing "emotive" about this amp. Emotiva's loudspeaker line may be a different story. Dont know much about their loudspeakers. I will defer to a Z review on their speakers.
The xpa-dr3 is much better than this at 450 watts at 8 ohms 3 channel.
@@geraldperry7779 Andrew Robinson and Gene DellaSala said the same thing; Amplifier technology is so improved the last 3 years. Emotiva Differential and Mono Block configurations are considered audiophile grade amplifiers.
@@chebrubin Do you look at the price difference? I mean of course an $800 more appliance will perform better
damn, it woudl be awesoem tog et those modules with a single 300w power supply, little blades
oh nvm it seems the XPA HC-1 is that,.,, but it seems way mroe chunky than it would
8:50 *Raises Hand* I still have the 4 channel version
What if you too the spot and mounted a bridbath?The Gen2 EAGLE!!!!
Totally agree with Westworld SE1 = masterpiece. SE2, not so much.
And then there's season 3 . . .
Emotiva's higher end products have always been domestic. And it isn't just assembly. It's just that saying "Made in USA" is ridiculously strict. The FTC is hardcore about that. Same reason Schiit gear also says assembled in USA now, even though their products are as American as ever.
You could put an Intel NUC in there, that would definitely fit in there. But why Z? Who would want to lug that heavy beast around?
Too bad they didn't make the power supply in the same module to fit into those amp slots. I was hoping to be able to tuck the PSU in the back when I'm not using all 7 slots for amping cards, that way I could have a cabinet less as deep. I mean, I've seen amps from 13" to 16" deep, but 19"? Not so often at all.
I guess it counts as a 'desktop amp' - if your name is Dwayne Johnson and your desk is hewn from a fallen Yosemite redwood ......
(fun fact - people search 'What chainsaw did Leatherface use ?' on Google. Sleep tight, folks)
Cant see using this for home theater since only two channel. Your center channel would suffer if your left and right were powered by an external amp and you had your center powered just by a receiver.Not familiar enough with external amps to know if you could tell the difference but I can't imagine you would not hears some change in sound.
matt giunta you can gat it in three channel if i remember right
The XPA amps come in 2ch, 3ch, 5ch, 7ch, 9ch and 11ch variants... So Emotiva has home theatre needs covered.
Are we getting a review of the klipsch heresy speakers? I've been considering them or a pair of cornwall 4's.
If you can afford them get the Cornwalls.
The future is purchasing 3 Crown XLS2502 for the same price but more flexibility and power...
18:00 ohhhh yes!
You don't know Ubb? step up your game man. He's Majin Buu reincarnated as an Indian boy.
I know have 2 monoprice monlith 7x 100 lb each and 4 crown xls 2502 gen 1 The second I hooked u the monlith 7x I never looked back to it has m tighter more dynamic bass better highs and a overall resoulontion that the crowns just lack I swear I heard shit I didt with the crown my crowns are know sub amps lol
More interested in Mytek Brooklyn DAC. One of the best components I've used.
Not recommended to drive loads under 4 ohms?! Wtf Emotiva, do better. I guess that's why $1200
I would not recommend using the bal/unbal switches as an A/B switch. Sooner or later you'll wind up doing that with the amp turned on, and you'll wish you didnt.
You have to dig those pants he's wearing
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Monoprice Monoliths look better in all aspects. Full power with all channels driven 20-20khz.
Sharing is not caring in the audiophile world! No sharing power supplies.
...says the man several years late to the xpa3 party
So call it a retro review.
wtf this thing is soo empty ??
tbh i would take the Crown over this any day of the week
You have no evidence to say that is better. Only that it is less empty inside which is already explained? How much more retarded can people get.
you didn't watch the whole video right ?
It is the same chassis as the use for their multi channel amps. You can buy the same box with 6 channels in it. Wyred4Sound does the same thing ICE power amps.
Powered / active speakers with HDMI Arc. Budget around 500 USD. Is it possible? Audio Pro A26 are the only one I can find.
It looks like it would be easey to changer out a bad channel yourself. Even Miller welders are switching to this design.
I have the EMOTIVA XPA2 GEN3 AND POWERING 4 ROCKVILLE 15'S NO PROBLEM!!!
Also wanted to add that I'm running these at 4 ohms thus 490 per chanell...the Rockville 15's rated 600 RMS and when I give a little too much, they hit so hard I think they will explode! THIS AMP ROCKS!!!!
This would be much better if you invested in a stabilized camera. This video gives me the sea sick.
Dont know about anybody else, but if you are used to audiophile level amplifiers I wouldm't recommend Crown. Tried a 2502 with various configurations for about 20 hours and I am honestly not impressed. Entry level high end gear sounds better imo.
I dont understand
You're absolutely right. You'd have to be deaf to think those sound remotely good. Soundbars make better sound than what people hook up to those
It depends on the particular Crown model.
@@TheTruthTeller1111 Honestly... No. And I'm not saying that to be some asshole. They really are built around reliability and loudness. They're for powering PA speakers. You just need 100 clean watts for home use
@@V1ralB1ack I gave the 2502 another few days of burn in and it is honestly ok but it lack refinement. That's the easiest way to put it. If you already have something like an entry level Rotel integrated amp, this won't be an upgrade.
Hate to break it to you but Carver was doing class H in the late 70s and 80s, the technology today is better but it's not new.
Want me to read you a spec-time story..😅😅😅
I feel like this is for theaters, not for mere mortals like me
They make an 11 change version in that same chassis with 3 high powered channels (300W) and 8 low powered channels (65W). Only $2000. Crazy!
"I couldnt tell the difference" - that's right, amps are not meant to sound different if they are working properly. You should not be able to tell what amp you are listening to asuming the power outputs are similar. Speakers on the other hand...
The more channels added, the less power per channel because the power supply is limited.
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