Two Firefighters Die in Battery Explosion: Poznań, Poland
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A deadly explosion in a Poznań tenement house claimed the lives of two heroic firefighters and injured 11 others, including civilians. This video details the tragic incident, the risks posed by lithium-ion battery regeneration, and how unsafe practices may have contributed to this disaster. Learn what went wrong and the importance of proper fire safety protocols around lithium-ion batteries.
As a retired firefighter I am sorry to hear of this sad news. May they RIP. Lithium Batteries are a known fire risk and have been so for 40 years!!!
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
As a retired chemist, lithium batteries are a hazard I prefer to avoid, but they are everywhere. They are difficult to recycle and maybe 40 % recyclable.
Keep the videos coming. Chief
AF Vet and firefighter. EV and Tesla guys don't want to hear that! Governments still pushes people into EV's while at the same time EV's are already restricted in some Countries on ferry boats, trains, parking garages and tunnels.
Thanks for reporting on this, it never made the news in Australia. The battery fires where I live are bad, every night there's a incident now, always rubbish Chinese made stuff
You believe that the european/american products they are better?
They have factories in turkey and china, and the majority of the products the quality is little bit better. You just pay the brand name, don't always blame the chinese products are rubbish. I am not supporter of china.
@@RamboHellenic Our country is flooded with cheap inferior Chinese made products that are linked to countless battery fires.
Our neighbouring brigade in rural Australia just had their first Li battery caused fire. Recharging older Li batteries for remote controlled cars. One room destroyed, smoke damage throughout. The homeowner had dealt with the worst of it himself with the garden hose before the brigade got there with BA and dealt with the rest, but in doing so he breathed a lot of smoke and gasses. Hope he's going to be ok in the long term.
4 people died in a petrol station explosion in Russia 3 days ago and didn’t make the Australian news . Why would polish news be on Australian tv
In Malmö Sweden two apartments was totally destroyed because of a E-bike battery.
As a retired volunteer firey, my condolences to the families and colleagues of the victims (they were part of one very big family). You can try and educate people about this but some refuse to listen and learn and others die.
Thanks for the report and advice on smoke alarms. Cheers
Hopefully this LiO madness will stop at some point.
Turn in your phone, watch, laptop, key fobs, security cameras, power tools, vacuum robot, and go back to the Stone Age.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s I hope you're trolling because those are like 300-5000mAh batteries at most. We are talking thousands of amp hours in that basement right there, basically much greater quantities than a regular household. Also don't forget lead acid batteries still exist, although still dangerous honestly...
@@user-ln7of9gs4suntil fairly recently small device uses NiMH batteries. They do not turn into incendiary devices even when severely abused.
Sure they are much more expensive to make and have lower power density.
There is no need to go back to the stone age.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Stone Age is the best.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Lithium packs themselves isnt the problem in its entirety. How and where theyre used is the problem. In this case, where n how they were stored became the tragedy.
In this case, the fact that there was an explosion meant that there was accumulated gas that didnt have a way to escape. N the fact that the employee mentioned that several smaller fires already occured before this means thermal runaway (hence an ignition source) was already happening.
Coz do note: commercial airliners have batteries onboard as well to power the electrical systems.
The key thing here is: battery design, manufacturing process, battery maintainance, battery disposal. All of which have to be done properly.
And in this absolutely stupid rush to go full BEV real quick… i can bet u that more than one of these processes wasnt done properly. We saw what happened in south korea, when that merc BEV caught fire…
A big chemical bomb used for transportation that happens to be impact sensitive , what could possibly go wrong.
Rest in peace to those heroes, it crushed me in a certain way knowing it happened less than 200 miles from my home in Poland.
This happened end of August. The building has been demolished.
The video shows the date. I didn't know the status of the building.
These we small batteries, nothing of the size and danger of much larger EV and power storage batteries. Creating a war on fossil fuels and mandating adaption of electric vehicles is not how we save the environment. May these firefighters rest in peace.
You sure save ΤΗΕΙR environment...
oil isn't even finite
1/3 of the town of Jasper in Jasper National park in Canada recently burned to the ground due to ICE vehicles.
Morgan Kitchen, a 24 year old fire fighter, died due to a falling tree in that incident.
Im shoping for a new car. The sales guy kept pushing hybrids. Nope.
Actually, some hybrids still use Ni-MH batteries that are much safer than Li-ion ones. Unlike Li-ion batteries, they do not catch on fire when damaged or exposed to oxygen. Also, hybrid batteries are about 50 times smaller than a typical BEV battery pack
@@tedantares2751So you're less dead from a hand grenade than an aerial bomb.
A distinction without a difference.
@@tedantares2751"...or exposed to *_oxygen."_*
Water is the issue, not oxygen.
Also, the hybrid battery pack is located in the car, usually underneath the rear seat or above the rear axle.
U really (and i mean REALLY) need to seriously damage the car to affect the battery pack in a hybrid. Like… total-loss sort of accident.
And Ni-MH battery packs - still used by toyota till today btw - are used coz they recharge n discharge at a much more “gentle” rate, and the max-min percentage range is much smaller.
@@ghost307if you can read, NI-MH do not explode or have the issues like li-ion. Your analogy doesn’t make any sense.
I'm saddened to hear about the loss of the Firefighters and see the loss of a building tha survived at least one World War. At least it wasn't demolished to provide something that is for the "New Europeans".
I make sure to always test my smoke alarms every 6 weeks. I just start cooking, and when things start to burn, it usually goes off.
we need to quit pushing battery powered transportation
We ? I aint no liberal toad.
We need up to date fire code that prohibits storage / recycling lithium batteries in basements of building that house people.
PS - Los Angeles had firefighters die after an explosion at a business that was illegally storing propane tanks. Risk needs to be managed.
@@williamlloyd3769 The issue isn't really the basement, but rather enclosed space. Empty lithium batteries are less likely to catch fire immediately, and more likely to just release products of electrolyte decomposition, which then accumulate in such space mixing with air, waiting for ignition. So you can have same effect charging batteries at home, it's just a matter of scale.
The video wasn’t about EVs.
@@williamlloyd3769 Not realistic: that would effectively ban all modern portable electronics. What we need is intrinsically safer batteries like LFP.
So sad. Thoughts and best wishes to their families and friends
Rest in peace :(
Lithium ion batteries should not exist at all, and I can only wonder why they still do.
@@geraldscott4302 because most of the tech we take for granted today wouldn't be practical if we had to rely on NiMH or older chemistries with less than half the energy and power density.
Governments should force battery recyclers to disclose the composition of the fluid they are using for grinding EV batteries in complete safety, submerged.
R.I.P Bothers.
These batteries are dangerous. The use no matter the need they are just not worth the horrible risk. They don't belong in use for anything.
Prayers for the families of the fallen firefighters. It is tragic that laws allow people and businesses to hold dangerous quantities of Lion batteries in residential areas. We have laws against operating fireworks or explosives factories or operations that bottle flammable gases in such areas and Lion batteries should be treated similarly.
Now how in the name of any reason can you even think of putting a battery recycling or manufacturing business in the basement of an apartment building and for that matter any building which exposes not only the workers but also any person in or near the building? This incident sadly cost the lives of two incredibly brave who were simply doing their jobs of protecting anyone needing their assistance. In Australia there are bodies that set regulations controlling any fire risk situation and such projects would never get off the ground unless it was done illegally so it just goes to show how some countries have little to no regard for the safety of anyone threatened by a fire situation.
imagine the fires that will happen when the EV Charging station infrastructure is in place !
We don't have an electrical grid capable of supporting massive EV's.
Tragic. How many deaths before lithium batteries are outlawed?
Thank you for naming and shaming electric cars
It's about time that laws be passed to force every home/business owner to display an internationally recognized warning...a 200mm red and yellow circle, for example... denoting the presence of predetermined quantities of lithium-ion batteries on the premises. The arriving first responders will then have a direct warning of the known presence of li-ion battery storage systems and they can approach the risk accordingly. Every household has Li-Ion batteries on the premises, many capable of initiating fires, but it is the off-gassing of larger storage batteries that presents the biggest risk.
Good point. I have a wall mounted Lithium battery in my garage linked to my PV system and would not object to this.
The garage is separate from the house, I would not have such a system in an integral garage for obvious safety reasons.
My deepest condolences to the families of the brave firefighters. Thank you for covering this story.
Cheers
PS PM's last name is pronounced Toosk, but you did an excellent job pronouncing Poznań.
Poland is powered almost entirley by coal. EVs charged on coal have WORSE criteria emissions and often worse CO2 emissions than petroleum powered vehicles.
CO2 is the gas of life! Stop to parrot the WEF agenda´s lies about this essential gas! Geoengineering hurricans, the weather is the problem! Not this natural constituent of our atmosphere that is only 0.04% CO2 and it was much higher in the past, creating a very gree environment!
CO2, the gas of LIFE!
I drive EV so I'm some kind of terrible idiot for you and I don't care. BUT CO2 is life. This planet has never been so green, so full of nature life and capable of producing more food than ever. And CO2 is the reason. Petrol is not a problem I love a powerful Porsche 911 turbo but I also love my EV specially if I can charge it for free. And I don't care how much you hate me and my EV 🖕🏻😂
Poland dosnt have many ev so calm the farm
Curious question, how do tackle windmill fires
From the video I saw a few years ago apparently hugging and falling to one's death.
Such Small Lithium Ion batteries n 🔥 Breaks out
WHAT About those in EV ?
What about them? What a stupid question. Then boogy man is going to come up when they catch fire.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s keep trolling on that burner account and don't forget the UK's EV fire Luton parking lot incident in March this year that literally melted the concrete and made three stories of that building go down into a puddle of ash.
How many more have to die before public honest discussion on EV battery danger?
How many airplane incidents or crashes were caused by lithium batteries?
Good grief! How the heck big were those batteries? Oh..... battery refurbishment should never be done in places like that as you pointed out! And probably should never be stored in confined spaces to prevent explosion....
Good points Patrick. Awareness, regulations, and understanding of these hazards are far behind where they should be and it comes with a human cost. Any LODD is one too many and prayers for the affected families and loved ones here. I still believe the biggest impact will be paid by those exposed to the ridiculously toxic emissions of batteries. This will include us old guys who did not know better, young people and civilians, and those yet to be born when you look at the birth defects associated with the heavy metals. It is amazing that CPSC will recall childrens pajamas for not passing flame resistance standards yet we are allowing cheap and sketchy batteries to be purchased direct from China with no exposure to responsibility to the manufacturer. Strange times and keep up the good work!
This is literally close to the date September 11th and similar events, never forget those firefighters.
Did I hear the elusive ceiling bird in this video lol?
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Maybe don't crack a stupid joke on a video about two firefighters dying?
Fire alarms were working... Also fire alarm dead battery chirp lol
RIP Firefighters. see folks, the safety and well being of brave First Responders is EXACTLY why Li-Ion Battery fire problem must (from an operational sense) be treated as a problem of DETONATIONS and not a problem of mere conflagrations. again, logic dictates there's no "defusing a bomb" that's already gone off.
MGUY has reported on a large, new fire station in Stadtallendorf, Germany, burning all but completely to the ground due to a Lithium ion fire (per AP, ABC, etc.).
No injuries, apparently. Something like a dozen apparati destroyed. Estimated nearly $30M bill.
U2oob: Stadtallendorf station fire
but if i check the batteries and change it, than the ceiling bird dies and no longer chirp regularly.
What right do government policymakers have to mandate energy systems that increasingly put firefighters' lives at risk?
This is either a zoning failure *OR* a failure to follow and enforce valid codes. The more I hear, the more I think this type of business needs the control put on such things as fireworks assembly. I feel it can be done far more safe but then it would not be a cheap. However, the cheap prices paid by a consumer in one place is at the cost of lives of others and the homes of others.
at 2:57 shown battery assembly you see how to NOT do assembly of battery .Cells are glued with hol glue . and whole assembly is holding only on nickel tabs connectinng cells -(soldeered wires instead of them ) Soldering if done inproperely can damage cells . ) As it is probably e-bike battery vibrations and heat while using can cause insulation of cells and wires to worn out and do short circuit .
Seems like a failure of the code with the separation occupancies.
Just a few days ago, a family was charging the battery to an electric bike at home when the battery caught fire and burned down 10 terraced houses.
Now, that wasn’t to blame on the battery 😳 but on the fire brigade that couldn’t contain the fire and the houses that were made of wood.
Exactly! The battery wasn’t to blame ….. 🤨
Lithium batteries big enough for vehicles should be banned permanently.
I thought I heard you say that the batteries release carbon monoxide. I may have misheard.
If I was correct can you please tell me where the carbon comes from?
Don't know, may well be, lots of graphite in li bats...
It all comes from decomposition of the solvents used for the electrolyte.
There's plastics in the batteries as well.
The andode is copper foil coated in graphite (carbon). The major gasses released. 20% Hydrogen, 25% CO, 25% CO2. Those are rough numbers because it depends on the battery chemistry. For example, LFP will release 50% Hydrogen.
@StacheDTraining
Thanks.
Excellent information.
I knew other cells had carbon electrodes but thought that Lithium Ion cells were different, carbon free.
The fire department knew what was being done there. Why didn't stop the operation.?
Why don’t they stop a black smith!? They knew what he was doing! Playing with fire! Get real dude.
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That's some bad shit
Fire was caused by improperly handled li-ion batteries. But these batteries were for power tools, nothing big. Explosion was likely due to propane tank. Althought it is not officially confirmed yet.
"Funny" thing, firefighters used that company service several times to replace torch li-ion batteries for more powerful cells.
Handling bare cells is critical for safety. It is often overlooked .
Handling and transportation liions is regulated by UN38.3 . Tell me when batteries with confirmed UN38.3 certificate cause fire, then I can agree that we need to update regulations.
Ppl use cells and batteries improperly, or cheap dangerous counterfeits. That is real problem.
The rush to use these batteries for so many things is going to keep killing people. The politicians pushing the electric vehicle mandates are showing how little they care about the people they are supposed to serve. Everyday that electric vehicles continue to be sold is adding to an already huge problem.
I dont think risk of battery explosion and public safety will mean much to those who already offered the public a get out of dodge jab. In fact public safety has a whole new meaning since 2020.
Just you wait till 50 ton autonomous EV trucks start crashing into things and their big batteries catching on fire. Or The Autonomous Battery powered Air taxis start falling from the sky.
How much is public safety worth, when the public is no longer needed.
Maybe the batteries are having the desired effect and this is just the start.
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I have been speaking out about these EV batteries for what must be over 18 months now. I feared the loss of life from the start. I have done everything I possibly could to educate people on this top. I have had zero success. For every person trying to get the government to see reason, there is a zombie citizen defending EVs.
It says: Made 1999....
That's for correct spelling!!
I'm sure I didn't pronounce it correctly.
Why are all your videos about batteries or EVs?
That is where his expertise is.
Because someone has to call out the insanity of moving to a lithium ion battery powered world.
He has a video explaining what he does. He has a background in automotive engineering as well as battery tech.
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@@PTANV-x2gno genius, it’s not calling it out, it’s about training and education to first responders.
EV'S SUCK!!!!!
90 died in a petrol tanker fire in Nigeria last week and 4 died in Chechnya petrol station explosion but again you only report fires involving batteries not the real dangerous petroleum.
Very dumb fire/risk, this should of never happened. Dealing with these batteries should be done in a stand-alone building....
I'm glad I live in a house and not in a dog box.
Meanwhile 100s of people die in gascar fires every year unoticed.
Is there anything in this video related to cars?
@@StacheDTraining just more EV hater trash
For the fact that the fire department were aware and using their services, they should be held responsible also
Where did you get the idea the fire department had any knowledge of this???
@@ffjsb Literally stated in the video.
Repairing things is big in Eastern Europe. Culturally they don't want to throw things away. Unfortunately, batteries are risky to repair.
Many thanks to a firefighters,thank you for you service.🙏🫶✌️🏴
The Ventilation system was probably insufficient, co2 + water system will have prevented the fire from spreading.
3 defective battery per day with li ion is sadly normal.
Nobody uses CO2 on that massive of a scale, and water is ineffective.
@@ffjsb I'm sorry to inform you about the opposite (the water will avoid the progress of the fire, not extinguish the fire Until something is able to be done to eliminate the danger
Its a thermal runaway, aka a chemical reaction . So its not a fire in terms of normal fire. The reaction creates a lot of heat. Normal fires you can use water.water in this case does not stop the chemical reaction, it just cools it down
@@AndrewTSq it's exactly what I said 😉