The PRX Halo Arm / GymPin / Vendetta update - collaboration over competition
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- Check out how the saga ends: • Facing PRx: Squashing ...
Things referenced in this video:
The Do You Even Lift Bro podcast is on the @GarageGymRadio channel
The original video I posted about all this stuff: • Reaction to PRX Halo a...
The @GarageGymReviews video on the PRx Halo Arms: • The *almost* Perfect J...
Gavin Laird's Instagram: / gavinlairdstrength
@crandallfitness Free Motion Swing Arms: www.crandallfi...
GymPin Kaizen Adapters - gym-pin.co.uk/... (coupon code KAIZEN10 saves 10%)
Vendetta Strength and Athletics Adapters: vendettastreng...
⏬ Other equipment I use in my gym ⏬
Fringe Sport - www.fringespor...
Savage bumper Plate Set
Floor mounted Power Cage
Silverback Dumbbells
Mammoth Belt Squat and Kickstand
Midas Open Trap Bar
Mag Pins
Magnetic Band Pegs
F and F Steel - fandfsteel.com... (coupon code KAIZEN10 saves 10%)
Kaizen Multi-Link
Kaizen Rack Spacers
5/8” to 1” Pin Adapters
Rack Mounted Swivel Pulley
Rack Pulley Pin
GymPin - gym-pin.co.uk/... (coupon code KAIZEN10 saves 10%)
Kaizen Jammer Arm Adapters
Belt Squat Collar
D-Handle Bar
30” Holey Bar
Fabric D-Handles
Tri-grips long rope tricep handles
Angles 90 grips
Tri-grips tapered cone handles
70MM Grip Balls
AbMat - abmat.com/#a_a... (coupon code KAIZEN10 saves you 10%)
Hip Thrust Pad
Chest Up Pad
Preacher Pad
Barbell Bomb
Quarter Rings
Belt Squat Cover
Split Squat Pad
Medicine Balls
Box Squat Pad
U-bells
Plate Spacers
Bells of Steel - www.bellsofste...
72” Hydra Power Rack
Mighty Grip plates
Seal Row Pad
Wall Mounted Pulley Tower
Barenaked Power Bar
Arch Nemesis Multi-Grip Bar
Blue Cerakote Utility Bar
Rackable Curl Bar
REP Fitness - www.repfitness...
REP Omni 6 post power rack
REP AB4100
Rep Monolift Attachments
GMWD Seal Row Bench: amzn.to/42huUbV
Massenomics Drink Spotter Lite - www.massenomic...
Tribus Grips: tribusgrips.co... (coupon code KAIZEN10 saves you 10%)
Porter Physed Fitness lat pulldown attachment: porterpef.com
Dialed Motion Pulley System: dialedmotion.com/
X-Mark Leg Curl / Leg Extension Machine: amzn.to/3SsSsY8
Wall Control Storage: www.wallcontro...?aff=140 Save 10% with coupon code KAIZENDIYGYM
Inspire Fitness Functional Trainer: amzn.to/48Px0Cj
Buffalo Bully Fab Glyder: buffalobullyfa...
Marrs Bar: titan-fitness....
Mutant Metals Handles: mutantmetals.c...
Maumi Weight Horns: amzn.to/3HxNnaO
Vendetta Strength and Athletics Adapters: vendettastreng...
Titan Wall Mounted Pulley Tower: titan-fitness.pxf.io/dajZd2
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Interested in seeing how this was resolved? Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/nTu7Qcwlkp4/w-d-xo.html
The community does great work to come together 👏
It is pretty amazing to see what can happen when we work together.
Awesome. Hoping this works out!
Thanks B!
Just saw their response. I take it all back. F’em!!!
@@BasementBrandonthanks for using your platform to publicly criticize their horrendous response. It’s actions like this that solidify your incredible reputation in this space. Even if garages > basements 😜
@@Mrwatson185 The basement life chose me.
Respect this. I was among one of the people promoting Gavin's work. I have his GLS jammer arms from Primal Strength in the UK and I use them almost every session. Love them!
Well, egg on my face for thinking they would try to make things right. Here is the PRx official response video: th-cam.com/video/3tjOQwL_Xqg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3XeGNk_TT-nH6xo0
Taking the higher ground is the better look.
Have a feeling the community has your back.
Their response looked like Mr. Wonderful's attorneys wrote their scripts
It's so disappointing that they decided to not reach out and work things out but instead double down and make you guys seem like you're seeing clicks and attention. It was rude, cold and just gross how they handled this.
I've left my feedback and am encouraging others in our communities to do the same. So far all the comments are against PRx (I'm sure some will support them) and hopefully the vast majority will overwhelm them into course correcting or they will suffer the consequences and all further innovations will be scrutinized by the home gym community.
I never liked them anyway
It's ok guys, they're "...working on something to resolve this issue further! Thank you" 😂 Tone-deaf clowns over at PRx
I appreciate the update! I haven’t been able to follow along as closely as I would have liked, but I did see the clip of PRx’s response on Instagram and oh boy. Needless to say, I’m looking forward to your next update and hope that PRx changes their tune.
I would stay away from such companies.....
Great update, Kyle! I'm believing that PRx will do the right thing and and restore their reputation within the HomeGym community.
I know it’s most of the stuff we covered in our podcast episode but I’m sure we’ll have plenty to talk about after the announcement.
There not
There was a great HBO show called Deadwood where Al Swearengen and Mr Wu would talk using one cussword, amazing they could understand each other with this word. The PRX Owners are that word. We support you and other small businesses 100%.
I wholly disagree on this for small businesses in the industry with giants who can squash smaller competition. Patents over/before partnerships. Even with limited knowledge regarding patent defense/litigation
lol I told you. Look at PRx lawyers response.
This is a great update and great news. There is more than enough success and abundance out there for everyone. I’m so happy PRx is open to working together. Everyone will win! Thanks for the update, Kyle.
They haven’t announced anything yet. I don’t know what the plan is. They haven’t even indicated that they want to work together but I am optimistic that they’ll do the right thing.
I’m glad you guys were able to figure something out. You’re a great innovator, and you do deserve to get credit for your genius.
To be clear, they haven’t reached out to me. They just asked that we hold off on posting the podcast episode while they prepare their response.
I am cautiously optimistic that they’ll do the right thing.
We shall see.
Memes are essential in life 🤝
Bro you are the meme king!
You made some hilarious ones 😂
They make the world go round
Integrity is doing what is right when no one is looking. In this case many people were looking and they STILL got it wrong. You only get one shot to make things right I suspect the community will ensure their bottom line takes a hit.
And to add this, I’m sure there are lawyers in the community that would work with you at a discount going forward with your ideas so hopefully this situation doesn’t happen again. That being said I’m not a lawyer
Respect to you for the follow-up; I was not familiar with your content before seeing your first video on this, but you've earned a subscriber for what that's worth. I certainly like the collaboration approach more and I understand being constrained by money, so I can't blame you with not being able to complete the patent process. It's very unfortunate that their response was just generic corporate speak, even if it is completely true, it comes off as very robotic and certainly not what the community wanted to see.
I appreciate the support and the sub! I was surprised by their response and pretty disappointed.
No worries though, I’ve still got plenty of ideas to explore and lots of companies willing to collaborate.
EDIT: They managed to make it worse. Okay, PRx is officially forever on my No-Go list. What a missed easy win for everyone.
Kaizen, the community has your back. Please don’t let this discourage you from pushing forward on your innovation. Please let us know how we can help going forward.
To be clear, they haven’t reached out to me. They just asked that we hold off on posting the podcast episode while they prepare their response.
I am cautiously optimistic that they’ll do the right thing.
We shall see.
@@KaizenDIYGym ooh okay, I’ll wait for further clarity here before moving forward. My misunderstanding. Thanks for the update!
I hope you and Vendetta are taken care of. I will always support the original creators. I stick with Sorinex for all my Base Camp needs. I have the vendetta trolley attachments to go with them.
Nice! We appreciate the support!
patents cost a lot more and take a lot more time than people realize
Yes, exactly!
Well, that PrX response was not what I’d hoped for. I’m so sorry, man. I hope the support for your efforts continues and people find somewhere else to spend 1.5k than PrX.
Bro KAIZEN and VENDETTA are the companies that inspired me to use the lever arms and I'm sticking with you guys. I believe the guys that put in the sweat will know how to adjust to problems in the home gym space as you been doing all along.. PRX CLEARLY STOLE THE CONCEPT..
Yes, people acting like patents are easy don’t know what they’re talking about.
It can take months and sometimes years, and the little guys will more often lose out to bigger more established companies who have the resources and time to dedicate toward the process.
Early release or video demos, just make it easier for the bigger companies to rip you off. I feel for you.
2:22 LOLL brutal, man.. It's the same mindset my parents raised me with whenever we see people with tats hahah
I guess some never grew out of their parents mindset haha.
But you do have a crap ton of tats, holy moly lol
Good luck ❤
Big Keith the meme lord
Love the idea at the end! I too have so many ideas that i would like to make, but i do not necessarily have the resources to make these or knowledge regarding the whole process including patents.
Let’s keep that conversation going. I don’t know how to organize a brain trust but I do have faith in the individual talents of each community member, I think we can work together and figure it out.
I skimmed through their patent and they sited/referenced you and a host of other people and companies. Everyone from you and Gavin to Vendetta and Gym Pin to Rogue and Sorinex.
It’s been awhile since my last patent but, if I remember correctly, you reference prior art to aid the patent examiner in their research of your product(s) and it’s respective claims. The examiner then determines if your new invention falls into the useful, novel and non-obvious category.
One interesting statement I found was this, “However, a product that enhances or expands upon a previous invention may be patentable. However, even if the differences would make them very unique to one another, the patent application may be rejected if the differences would be obvious.” I’m guessing this could have been the case with this situation.
I look forward to hearing what PRX has to say.
The examiner didn’t actually cite any of the non patent references that were supplied. Chances are, given the workload the USPTO is under, the non patent citations weren’t even read.
I'm happy for you guys 🏋
Too many people shamefully get paid at the expense of others. You as an innovator deserve every penny for your design. EVERY penny. I wont buy PRX, until you are the one selling me it. Long live the innovators. #creators
You did nothing wrong. People shouldn’t steal from other people.
Thanks man, I agree!
Seems like an opportunity to redesign jammer arms that are more useful across the board. Full motion, a lot of vertical and horizontal locking points, an option to route cables from a pulley set-up through them, and being able to quickly attach/detach the trolley. I'd be fine with keeping the trolleys on fulltime but at least easily remove the arms so they're not in the way when not in use (although the Legend Fitness design of swiveling the arms 180 degrees is pretty cool).
Sounds like PRX got caught being shady and now they are trying to back track.
I hope they make it right. Only time will tell.
I am hoping they will do the right thing. We’ll see what happens
Besides the commercial aspect I don't see how this is different than the havak triad situation. I don't support commercial rip offs, but this specific negative reaction just didn't sit right with me.
Well i wont be getting and prx was thinking about it
Looks like like a triple down they just came out with a video saying nothing basically I guess there is no collaboration
I was really trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Great!
Thanks!
PRx should reach out with a settlement offer. It isn't a good thing for PRx or its reputation to let this patent controversy fester.
Judging by their response video, working things out doesn’t seem like it’s in their wheelhouse.
I saw your lever arms years ago and I could have sworn you already got the patent O.o. Unfortunate =/
It sucks but for most people and items a patent is useless Because of everything you said. After paying the fees just to GET the patent you may NEVER sell enough to make that money back. Then add in the "infringements" you then have to defend. I am also of the mind that patents kill innovation and make monopolies on items that may or may not suck or could be made with better materials.
Also, that belt squat attachment you made for a barbell has been done by elitefts for a while, the core blaster, it doesn't have as many holes but same concept to move you back from the plates.
Are those green blue pink plates in the background a product for sale or are those personally customized?
Custom - th-cam.com/video/0GD90qE_eso/w-d-xo.html
Does the rogue 1.0 adaptors work for titan x3 arms? Want to pick up a set asap before any patient bs from prx comes
GymPin makes adapters for Titan x3 specifically. gym-pin.co.uk/kaizendiygym (coupon code KAIZEN10 saves 10%)
@@KaizenDIYGym don’t see it on the site, only see the 4 (rogue 2.0, rogue 1.0, rep iso, and Titan t3
your products an add on. its good I get it. But theirs is a complete product. I know its close to your product and vendetta's but Chopping their hands off for it means the consumers end up with a worse product and the consumers suffer. So for you I understand the upset. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not behind the whole patent system. It could be better so that inventors can collaborate. and the product evolved with competition and it honestly means everyone gets a better product. I mean one solution is that patents last a maximum of 3 years or something?
I think it’s interesting that you keep on saying that the patent process was just too expensive but are also apparently asserting that your designs were so valuable that PRX should have given you credit/collaboration/royalties. Which is it? If your IP was valuable you could have fund raised or financed the costs needed to secure the patents. And if your IP wasn’t valuable enough to justify all that then (adopting your view that PRX took the idea) what did they really rob you of in the end? I genuinely don’t understand what you think you are entitled to?
Yeah, valid question. In the first video I state explicitly what I think should happen: PRX should give a royalty to Vendetta, who is currently patent pending. That’s it. I’m not looking for anything for myself other than the recognition that they were inspired by my design.