Me when watching s1: "Wow, this is amazing. And Riot has so much lore to draw from, they should make more shows and start their own cinematic universe." The Monkey's Paw curls.
I will admit I too was thinking "wow imagine if we get the nexus ionian invasion, or a show taking place in Targon" but once we started seeing signs of us abandoning actual Piltover and Zaun plot to set up future endeavors I was thinking "WOAH WOAH NOT LIKE RIGHT NOW"
Jayce and Caitlyn in s1: Grew up basicly as siblings. Best friends that tease each other and look out for each other. Jayce and Caitlyn in s2: Caitlyn is not concerned at all when Jayce (and his gf Mel) dissapear out of nowhere. Neither is she suprised when he returns. It is, as if they were never really close and never cared for each other.
She doesn't even mention him. Instead she acts like a teenager. Also she was a rookie ex cop in s1, she had no merits to become the emperor of piltover and some how nobody resisted her 2 second election by ambessa, the foreign entity. Imagine a foreigner comes into your country and youre some rich trader, this foreigner picks a young ex cop with zero experience and no leadership, you'd be angry, you'd push back! But no everyone just accepted everything happening without asking the proper questions. This season sucked ass.
Loris was a big, nothing burger but shout out to Piano Man who stepped up from apprehensive concert performer to taking over Loris's turret station and hitting the critical target, even if Viktor wasn't inside it. AND HE F'NG LIVED! That's how you write an incidental background character.
Yeah there were some interesting background characters, One of my friends watching with me kept thinking the piano guy was a league of legends character and it was so funny watching him in real time realize it defiantly was not
yeah i guess arcane season 2 is basically proof that company ip ruins the creative expressiveness and actual storytelling of stories if they also need to sell something...
Yeah Riot games has shown a change in priority and has gotten a little more cash grabby in the past year especially with league of legends (introducing gotcha exhausted skins etc.) While I would not go so far to say this cinematic universe will be a cash grab, I am worried it might go a route more concerned with showing off popular ip rather than tell a full meaningful story, but I'll have faith that they understand where their priorities are now and this next series featuring Noxus, Ionia, and Demacia will be more consistent. (Even though I still am worried)
@@divad_doodles yeah but there has been a lot of critics of the show after season 2 being discussed rather maturely for the internet so hopefully they hear something ;-;
Finally I found someone else saying it. Season two felt like the show needed to bring all the characters to where they were in game lore. Season one was so intricate and told a story of a city crumbling. Season two was like okay so Mel needs to become a mage, Vander a wear wolf, Victor needs a cooler hammer and a dose of insanity, ekko needs to do multiverse stuff, and Victor needs to become time traveling cyborg Jesus... It felt like they were contracted for those characters back stories. So season one is like a delicate beautiful story about sectarian violence destroying a community. Then season two is like a pile of League lore?
@ lmao though a pile of league lore is also inaccurate at this point because a lot of the characters are not really anything like their counterparts in the game....
They don't to sell anything, the game is terrible, the show was a masterpiece but season 2 was needless fanservice and Rush character plots when season 1 told everyone's story perfectly and took its time
This is probably the best explanation of why I refuse to accept existence of Arcane beyond S2E3. For me, it ended somewhere there. Now I know why. Thank you!
Yeah for me everything is fire until the end of episode 4 when Warwick says "Powder" that's when everything starts to shift. (At first the early reveal was like "ok sure" so they'll know it's him while he's running through the under city. but we just straight up add him to the party and turn into a new gear)
@@divad_doodles Yeah - at first glance there are too many characters (therefore, people keep critisizing season 2 as "rushed") But upon reflection I think there are actually not enough characters in season 2, just too many plot devices.
@ Funny, isn't it? Season 1 was universally praised by everybody for breaking the videogame curse and teaching how to do videogme/comic adaptations properly. But as soon as The Big Money got involved, it was forced by executives back to the videogame curse formula and had to follow it to a tea.
12:12 THANK YOUUUUUU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. BECAUSE ONCE I WAS DONE CRYING OVER THAT SCENE I PAUSED AND WAS LIKE. “hey. wait a second. did they just have the suicidal character kill herself.” (And then I found out she was alive and. It changed nothing because it still means she TRIED bc there is NO. WAYS she planned all of that out beforehand.) The way they depicted Jinx’s struggle with suicide in S2 (before the finale) was so good it made her my favourite character. But then just… the longer I thought about it the more the appreciation for what they did right morphed into resentment and disappointment for what they did wrong.
Yeah the whole Actually warwick is still alive (again) so Jinx has to sacrifice herself to save Vi, felt like a way to put a temporary "ending" on her story so we could move on the whatever shows Riot has in store next, even though none of the story of Piltover in Zaun is actually done, so now it feels like a VERY strange "conclusion" for her character
My personal summary of what went wrong is that they had immature people leading the writing. Everything feels like it's trying to be this big epic/dramatic/edgey spectacle. None of the very serious things feel like they were being written with sensitivity and respect. Jinx doesn't care if she's killed/is actively trying to die? Let's surround that with an epic flashy fight scene and her immediatly getting over her agony over a time skip, and not really explore her feelings in depth. The fact that people have to debate her exact motives is sad, she's a main character and we don't get to really see her exact thoughts that drive her like in s1. Because who needs to have a close connection with the characters when you can have slow motion action shots instead? That was totally effing thrown in for the cheap drama. Same goes for when she tries to blow herself up later. They clearly did not really want to write a story about mental illness or devastating losses. Lots of other things happened for the sake of drama, but that was just the most offensive to me. All the tragedy in s1 was the result of the characters messing up and learning lessons, now it's cheap "boo hoo, look, the kid with the personality of a dog died, this is such a serious story with stakes, isn't it?"
That's an insanely cynical view of the writers/team that gave you S1. You'll NEVER forgive them? Seems you all missed the fucking primary theme of the entire show from E1. Forgiveness. This comment section is legitimately peak irony.
@@Blynx1991forgiveness is a bad theme when it doesn’t bother with that theme. It just forgets crimes and sins. Here’s the thing, I dont forgive this, because it ruined every character in this show. The characters were better off without it. So as a result, I don’t care anymore. Maybe I forgive them, but I wish to never hear from them again.
16:30 Ikr, which is def why they had to remove him from the Zaun plot because Ekko would not stand any of it. Instead they move him to Piltover and then removes him from the whole plot for like 3 whole episodes
I remember think "Oh I hope they give Ekko a lot more screen time, I mean they kind of have to since he's a major part of the conflict of Piltover vs Zaun." And then they literally cast him into the AU so they could focus on anything but Piltover and Zaun
Season 2 is not terrible, but if I had to sum it up with one word I'd say my feelings are it'd be 'disappointing'. It had so many interesting plot points to go through - by the end of act1 I was incredibly pumped for Commander Caitlyn arc about Piltover and Zaun civil war. Only for it to be limited to less than 2 minutes music video in ep4, and we fast forwarded past everything to Caitlyn already being tired of Ambessa. I feel Warwick was completely unnecessary and he only served as plot device to link Vi and Jinx together, instead of writers creating a proper plot that would make these two to get sisters to reunite organically. Characters in s2 don't talk(words were already counted and difference between seasons is staggering), they don't create bonds, it feels beautiful, shiny, visually stunning, and... very empty. It was mostly basing on cheap emotional sequences like Vander's hug, Isha's murder-suicide, etc etc. It was cheap tearjerkers and at closer scrunity it all falls apart.
Yeah, Arcane S2 wasn't really terrible I still enjoyed watching it, but by the end I just found my self going, "Ok sure" or, "This is what we're doing now"
The second half of season 2 felt like an interesting alternate route but we never got the original route. Perhaps they should work on this most needed and most likely route that focuses on the Zaun uprising. Where would the divergence be? Does it just has to stop at only two routes. The possibilities are endless 🤩
I honestly expected the reveal of Vander being warwick to not happen so early, we watch Jinx actually commit to being a symbol after the rally and prison break, and Vi go through her depression but SHE ends up running into Warwick who is terrorizing the under city and SHE ends up figuring it out.
Ambessa’s lesson to Mel in S1: “you must learn to be both the fox AND the wolf” Ambessa in S2: “DURRrr THE WOLFF THE WOLF THE WOLF WAR THE WOLF WAR” ****Granted she does some subterfuge here and there like with Maddy, the false flag, and Viktor’s cocoon but the false flag was soooooooooo obvious and why would they assume viktor was in the cocoon? Jayce KNEW he would go for the hexgates HE LITERALLY TOLD EVERYONE THATS WHAT HIS PLAN WAS AND THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO LOSE THE FIGHT WHY WOULD THEY RISK EVERYTHING TO SHOOT THE DAMN COCOON
I remember at the watch party when Mel started realizing she was a mage, I turned to my friend and said "Watch the climax be Mel fighting her Mother and when Ambessa dies she tells Mel she's finally the wolf." Honestly it was still cool, Ambessa was a very consistent character to me and I knew she'd be the endgame since she arrived in season 1, just the whole "War" thing felt so strange and disconnected. Also the cocoon thing was very funny, there was a lot of spectacle and not a lot of sense it felt like.
@I still love the season and series but I also sorta wish Mel had more time/ maybe just 1 more scene with Viktor post transformation I feel like they could’ve had an interesting conversation since they were both mages and Viktor kinda being jealous of/ resenting Mel in S1 + Mel having this life thrust onto her while Viktor chose to make himself into the herald
They needed more time that they sadly weren't given because all the people who were NOT involved in the process, only cared about making money and moving on. The team actually wanted a longer story, and it probably wouldn't have been such a jarring change if they'd been given the time they needed. ART CAN'T BE RUSHED! Especially when you have so many people counting on you to make it great and willing to wait the extra time for it to BE great. But the money hungry b*tches wouldn't allow it. I feel bad for the team and they really did the best they could with the time they had. It's just unfortunate a great story had to be sacrificed.
Man, that's, like, the first review on Arcane S2 that I actually completely agree with. I know lore of the game, watched the series a couple of times(and actually liked S1), watched side stuff like theories and "things you didn't understand" but this... Damn, you nailed it. Great video, so good it actually made me want to write a comment lmao
Ive been ranting about the second season so much. Glad to see that you agree with most of what I'm thinking. I don't get how the first season could be so good and the second season feels so ..... ehh.....
Yeah me and my friends were so hyped for Season 2 after Season 1 but in the last half I basically sat there watching with them like, "Ok sure this is happening", "Ok this is what we're doing now", "Ok we're just gonna glaze past that", basically the entire last half of season 2 for me can be summed up into the phrase, "Sure ok."
why tf did they make this tragic bitter ending just for everyone to be alive💀💀 this vids cool its fun to see how arcane s2 isnt even good in a LOL lore standpoint
Yeah like it would've be fine if they changed the lore to better the story, but most of the major changes are just to wrap up the show. For instance Viktor takes a wild turn that is very different from what he is in the show and the game which is fine, but we just don't really explore viktor that much, he's just a way to "conclude" the show now, so now Arcane fans and League fans alike are confused. I would talk about Warwick aswell but Warwick was just a writing tragedy.
As Arcane had an incredible Story it was working with and made the characters feel so alive. And then as a league of legends player I watched in horror as suddenly we were skipping over important things to get our characters into their (league of legends form) I'm really scared for Mel in particular because of this.
Stop coping. Season 2 was bad. I tried coping after watching it too, but after putting more thought into it, I realised it's actually just bad. It's fine to set up future shows, but when that comes at the expense of the finale for a beloved show it's pure betrayal. I'm not a Leagues player, I don't care about Leagues lore, I care about Arcane. No shade against anyone who does enjoy Leagues lore. Fan service, if done well, can really improve the enjoyment for people who are into the lore, and that's awesome. But Arcane season 2 completely destroyed the show. I'm not going to be alwatching any more future Arcane-related shows.
I feel you in this, i literally have no interest in what comes next because of how removed S2 was story wise from S1. They had a solid story about real world problems that made it feel like a breath of fresh air, it felt so human in a fantasy world. Only to end in a marvel-esc bullshit time thingy with massive boss! What made me even more pissed is that i am a league player and my favorite zone/character are from Zaun and Piltover, I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT NOXUS
Id say to give a shot to the next Noxus show. Its arguably the best region and it will be pretty disconnected to Arcane. I as a league player also got disappointed, but lets not lose hope just yet.
@@5h0rgunn45 damn bro getting all philosophical on me 😂. But you know things can get better, but i wont force you if you are out. After all i might just have a much bigger tolerance for bullshit. Star wars must have made me a tough ass mf with all the crap content this past decade.
@konstantinosmoschos1050 Star Wars is exactly what lowered my BS tolerance to the floor 😅. I'd rather spend my time on more quality content and on making stuff of my own.
I feel like this season just has too much shit going on, and that just leads to all these other problems. I don’t think it’s like, the writers suddenly got bad or anything. You can see the sparks of great writing and storytelling here and there in this season, with some really well set up story beats and some really well concluded ones. However, with all the shit they crammed in, that muddle chunk of these story beats happening, is really really messy. Anyways really good video!
damn, i think this was absolutely spot on. truly, it feels like instead of solving a single conflict the show just. makes that conflict irrelevant. almost immediately. bringing it back to Brandon Sanderson's theory of "promise, progress and payoff", it's like there are all these promises but then the progress is completely disconnected from the promise and the payoff is completely unrelated as well. meaning we never get any payoff for the actual promises that season 1 (or even many parts of season 2) sets up. honestly, it feels like covid and the (now reduced) writing team talking over zoom without the artists in france and all this shit just... completely drifted the story without ever figuring itself out? they should have delayed, but alas, this is what we got. and it's still awesome, don't mistake me -- it's just not what we were promised.
I've rewatched s1 countless times. I rewatched s2 only once when all episodes were out. I've decided that, while act 1 isn't very good either compared to s1, it's still significantly better than the rest of the season, so I'm considering only the first 3 episodes to be canon. Absolute dogshit horrendous writing. The disservice to all characters, the inconsistencies, garbage all around. Feel sorry for Fortiche artists, they created such a masterpiece of animation once again, but had to work with that bullshit. Animation and music are the only positives s2 has.
14:20 thats disgusting af, treating something a kid gaving her parents killed and going through difficulties as a fuckin slowburn material ? 🤮 Seeing this and the fact that she said that she saw the scene of ekko punching jinx and then they exchanging looks after he literally punched the fuck oit of her and nearly killed her as a "i feel like these characters could be in love" and then (as i've seen in Wikipedia) writing episode 7 of season 2 and putting ekko to kiss Powder without telling her that he is not her boyfriend and is he is someone else that fell on her body and having that whole shit happening with Vi and Caitlyn in the whole season 2 and putting them to have sex in that jail gives me a vision that this screenwriter's vision of how romantic love is is completely distorted.
Yes! This is what I've been looking for this exact criticism! So many people are just unhappy with how it went and make these stupid videos where they just say everything was bad. When it wasn't, yeah Isha is a 2D impact character. Thats fine because the impact on Jinx is really interesting. But the whole second season is about giving people cool character arcs and not about the greater story of these two cities. When thats like the only thing i cared about so i was going back and forth watching season two. It was like oh my god its so beautiful, omg why is victor doing... Any of that? This story was super grounded and real! Then season two ended with cyborg Jesus. Fuck cyborg jesus.
Like I was fine with Viktor going this strange route, because we could have an arc where we realize oh he might be being manipulated by the hex core, and see connections to the void, or some hints. But instead we had him make this change and then ran with it as an end game when it would have been very beneficial to actually look into what's happening here. If Viktor would have slowly morphed into the arcane Herald by the end that would be fine but we needed an end game NOW so, it felt strange.
@divad_doodles but his whole thing it's just completely disconnected from the civil war? That's why I felt pissed watching it because I'm over here invested in the story of this city and Victor and Jayce where on a magic acid trip?
No Problem! I felt like I was just overthinking it when it first ended, but the more I thought about it the more sure of it I was, and then I watched it again and it was all so glaring
14:40 giving that riot games is a huge gaming company and its history of disrespecting their employees and trying to shut the scandals their ill administration and gaming/bro culture causes there, and the support its chairmen give to right wing agendas and politicians, and by the way, these chairmen are also executive producers of Arcane, it's kinda visible why this type of message about the political conflict got all weakened and swept under the rug because of a "bigger threat", because obviously rich capitalists wouldnt want ro have us, regular people who aint rich to have more political conscience, so for them its better to just be painting oppressors as good and as people we should forgive all of its oppressive shit, work with them and even date them with 0 or near 0 regard for their actions instead of keeping the kinda "war to the lords" and "down with the oppression" message of the first season, because they wouldn't want to raise that much awareness and throwing bits of representation to pretend to be progressive was the way they kept us invested and then yeeted some of that by the window.
I feel like Arcane might end up going down the same way as the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Not saying Arcane is as bad as Star Wars, just saying it might follow the same pattern: the first installment tells a relatively decent story, the second installment gets decent reception at first but starts getting more scrutinized until the fandom is divided on its quality, and by the third, it's solidified that the franchise is a flop. It hasn’t happened yet with the League of Legends series, and might never happen, but if the upcoming Noxus show has the same writing issues as Arcane Season 2, we'll be seeing the same train wreck unfold there be no defending the series anymore
I agree for sure, it was still a well made second season, but the differences in how things were handled were jarring Also I'm a Warwick main.. enough said 😂 kidding But I feel like Warwick is a good example for them rushing the Plot and forgetting Pitlover & Zaun Because he basically gets a forehead Tattoo by Victor the Void- ehh Arcane Herald and then is a puppet for Noxus 😂 He was thrown around like a tennis ball for plot progression.. which would be fine if it's only him getting that treatment He will interact with Zaun & other Zaun champs in the future presumably? Hopefully he'll live up to the Uncaged Wrath name then 💀 Since the Sewers of Zaun got teased below the Lanes Anyways.. my point is that they treated so many champs like this, just a setup for future projects as you said and WW got introduced in Season 2, so I think he's a good example how they fumbled S2 stuff Season 2 really barely has scenes where the characters are truly alone and we explore them further than the Plot needs to, I think that hurts it alot because Season 1 did it so naturally What's also sad is that Season 1 rewarded you for picking up all the small stuff.. in season 2 it's also the case, but now you need to have 20 discussions before that one easter egg in the background should've told you enough about the protagonist's life altering decision.. oh wait no About half the damn cast's decisions Sorry your video was great and it made me yap a bit in this comment, you already talked about Ekko and it's 100% my take also 😂 I love what they've done with him, but why leave out random important scenes 🥴 Also I'm here to comment that I'd love a video about what your fears are for the future of the shows & Lore etc, this video felt well done and you seem to know what's up with the Lore 😁 I actually only wanted to write that I'd love the videos that you kinda teased at the end but your takes are too good to not respond to, sorry for the huge text 😂
Totally! Warwick was actually my first ever main! (Im a support now don't worry about it) So I was SOOO hyped when in season 1 Warwicks theme briefly played in episode 3 after Vander was called hound of the under city. There was so much set up! I was really excited to see the beast of Zaun in Arcane and see him hunting and causing chaos, especially after seeing him and Akko fight in the convergence game. Unfortunately we never got to see Warwick as a long lasting part of Zaun, which is unfortunate, again I never wanted Arcane to be League of Legends the show, I'm fine with changes in a characters story, but for some reason they just removed him. There was the build up to actually seeing him in action but after the incredible scene of him tearing through everyone and fighting Jinx, we immediately gave the reveal, and then he just kind of acts as a plot device from there on, and then dies, and then doesn't actually die and act as another plot device. So in the end Warwick ended up being the MOST disappointing for me because he had so much teasing and so much hype, just for us to kind of not use any of the interesting possibilities, rush past any interesting stuff he could do as a character, and use him mostly for flashbacks and a way to introduce the new threat and get out main characters back together :(
I gotta say I disagree with your take on the characters, because the characters don't even end up in the same place that they are in the game. Some of them don't even have a moment to be "themselves". Also, you mentioned a lot that Singed will bomb Ionia, but with Raum showing up I think Arcane plays after the 1st Ionian invasion.
As someone that actually preferred Season 2, I'll put it like this. Some people favor world building, and some people are culmination fans. Some people prefer A New Hope, and some people prefer Return of The Jedi.
I love the show, it was a gift, and I will never indulge in any form of blaming or going after creators, who are real people. And also everything you say in the video is correct.
@@mehwhatever9726 I expected arcane to be nothing but league of legends on a screen therefore my expectations were at the floor, then season 1 gave us every thing including a genuine message and hope for what’s to come just for them to slowly drag it behind the curtain, put it down old yeller style and release a league of legends trailer
@@divad_doodles A classic trick in the book. Any story can lure in with a promise, but the only part that counts is resolution. And with a story that pretty much admits that most characters would've been better off if it didn't happen... heh, admitting everything was pointless. "But oh look: class wars, lgbt, multiverse, time-loops, sympathetic villains. We checked ALL the boxes you guys like!" "What, you don't like that it's all too shallow? Well if we spent too much time delving into each, we wouldn't be able to check ALL the other boxes!"
It's stunning how much you missed. Let's start with your example of Caitlyn and Vi suddenly getting back together because Vi said cupcake... When they broke up, Caitlyn was focused on getting Jinx to wrong the right Jinx had done, killing her mother, so much so that when Vi got in the way, she hit Vi and walked away. What happened that you completely missed was that after the fight where they broke up, Caitlyn got even more power to pursue Jinx, she was elevated from just a strike team leader to Commander Caitlyn. In that position, she slowly realized that she, and all of Piltover, were being manipulated by Ambessa. I mean, I really have to ask, did you completely miss the scene in S2E6 where Ambessa, who was supposed to be subordinate to Caitlyn, ordered Rictus to eliminate the herald's spokesman in front of Victor's compound? You can see right there on Caitlyn face that she clearly realized she had absolutely no control over Ambessa... That was a huge wake up moment for Caitlyn and any viewers that were actually watching and paying attention. At that point, not only did Caitlyn realize she was being used as a puppet, that Ambessa was manipulating her, she realized she was in a complete shit position and couldn't do anything about it. At least not until she saw Vi, who she attacked despite clearly recognizing her - there was no inkling of surprise in Caitlyn's words or face after she put Vi down and saw her face to face, because she knew damn well who it was. So yeah, "cupcake" didn't change Caitlyn's disposition, that's a childish take. It was to a lesser extent the fact that Vi's response of why she was there was that she was trying to save her dad, which spoke directly to Caitlyn's loss. And most importantly, that Caitlyn had been betrayed by Ambessa and needed all the help she could get, that changed her mind. Not the fucking cupcake statement... Jesus did you really believe that? Your take on Vi and Jinx is likewise garbage. Jinx was upset that Vi was with enforcers coming for her, not that Vi was gassing or carrying out police brutality against the people of the undercity, because Jinx didn't actually care about the people of the undercity - Zaun and the people of undercity was never her cause, it was Silco's. She was just doing his bidding until he died. From the very very very beginning of season one, the only thing Jinx wanted was family, to be loved. She didn't get it from Vi, so she turned to Silco. When he died, she was lost until she found Isha, and eventually Vi again. There are scenes during Vi's downward spiral fights where you can see Jinx is watching her sister. So yeah, Jinx never seriously tried to hurt Vi. Going back, when Jinx said it had to be you to Vi, Vi realized this really was Powder, this was her sister. So why would you expect something to "pop off" just because Vi sees Jinx again, when Jinx wanted the love of her sister, and Vi now saw Jinx as Powder? Your take makes no sense unless you didn't really pay attention. Your take on Victor as "void Ultron" is just as clueless. You've completely missed why Victor did what he did, yet it was all there for you laid out plainly. But you actually have to pay attention to the show to see it, which you clearly didn't. All you've shown is that you didn't really watch the show very closely at all, and unfortunately for you, this is a show you actually have to pay attention to if you want to understand what's going on. Or you can watch videos from other creators that actually paid attention and get caught up, there are some amazing ones out there. Please delete this video.
Hi! I actually watched the series twice and I got every moment! I Understand Caitlyn slowly realized she was being manipulated by Ambessa, we see it many times, even at one point questioning Ambessa asking when does it stop. And when Ambessa responds saying maybe you have the strength to do what I can't and forgive, it seems Caitlyn could possibly move to put a stop to things, but Caitlyn continues going along with Ambessa regardless of her suspicions. You could argue she was biding her time for the right moment, however we do not see this at all, instead she goes along with Ambessa and when she see's Vi THATS when she decides its time to betray Ambessa. And it's valid to argue it was because Vi was trying to save her dad, however it feels strange she's empathetic to this NOW when she was so apathetic to the fact Vi lost her parents to enforcers already. We could say she's tired and maybe not as riven by revenge, but then there's Vi would just lets everything Caitlyn has done up until now go. We get a brief argument in the after math while they're preparing for war where VI tells Cait she's been letting Ambessa trampling everywhere, but that's it unfortunately. So what I'm talking about in the video is that it feels as if there is a lot more to work out before we resolve tensions, but instead we have to rush to solve things so we can move on in the story. Similar to Vi and Jinx. It's very understandable Jinx would go to her sister if something as crazy as Vander being alive is a possibility. But Vi has stated multiple times she has accepted her sister is gone, and while we believe she doesn't truly believe that, things resolve just too quickly. If we would have got more time to see Vi's feelings or how she coping with everything, and her hesitation with her sister, their reunion would have felt more cohesive. Same with Jinx, she has many reasons to not trust her sister, we get flashes of her betting on her sister and watching her hit rock bottom, but it would have been nice to get more to see how Jinx sees Vi in this moment. Also Warwick himself felt very underdeveloped. It felt like we were cutting things out or skipping arcs which was disappointing considering how important Vander being Warwick was, (It's been teased since Season 1 act 3) There's a lot of things I wanted to mention in this video but I cut a lot for time, it was originally an hour of breaking down each point. I do love this show and I think it's great I just think it had the possibility to be so much better if it was allowed to, but it shifted in themes, and priorities. There are many valid criticisms to be made, and many of these criticisms I see echo by other creators swell. It's just our observations and opinions pls try to be nice
I like that you're passionate, but the video creator clearly had a bit more thought process in his video than you watching his video, you took some things very literal I assume I love the show, as do you and opinions are objective.. but get your ego out of your behind with the "if you're smart enough you can see the character conclusion in 2 fckn frames" And don't tell people to delete their video please 🥴 I wish you the best and you have good takes, but you need a lil slap on the wrist, your comment sounds mean as hell and not well thought out
"Your take on Victor as "void Ultron" is just as clueless. You've completely missed why Victor did what he did, yet it was all there for you laid out plainly. But you actually have to pay attention to the show to see it, which you clearly didn't." Honestly, I think VIKTOR missed why Viktor did what he did. At no point does the motivation of his final form come naturally out of who he is as a character. He flips around completely in a way that goes against his character's core beliefs, with little to no solid reason as to why he's flipping those beliefs around to begin with. "Void Ultron" is very accurate, though moreso "Arcane Ultron" because Riot doesn't really care much for consistency. I have watched every scene with Viktor so many times over, he is my favourite character, but the only feasible explanation I can give for why he behaves the way he does in season 2 is that he was under the influence of the Hexcore, and that it was slowly taking over his body. This whole idea he has of spreading the Glorious Evolution through evolving people with arcane magic, that's exactly what the Hexcore would want, and nothing like what season 1 Viktor would want. The issue with this interpretation is that the final episode's conclusion doesn't work, because Jayce is appealing to Viktor's humanity, when all that is left is the Hexcore. Any explanation you can come up with about why this works is one you have created of your own imagination, just as I have done. The writing in season 2 gives us no clear answers about anything, they breeze through so much without ever giving us the required context or information to understand characters and their motivations. Until the end of Act 3, I still had hope they would remedy this in some way, but they didn't. I genuinely believe this is simply a case of bad writing, and not enough time. The 2 season and 9 episode limit was just below the required amount to sufficiently tell the story they wanted to, and the amount of writers who had different ideas about where they wanted the story to go caused a lot of character motivation conflicts. There were plenty of good ideas, but simply too many for the time and characters, and trying to do them all like they did in Arcane s2 just doesn't result in anything that makes sense.
@@PeachHeadzAddictionI don't see a need to be generous to opinions that are ridiculous, such as the claim that "Vi says cupcake and [Caitlyn and Vi] are right back together", that's completely wrong and gives people the completely wrong impression of what happened. And the proof is in @divad_doodles' response to me - they talk about how they see, "many times", how Caitlyn was worried about being manipulated by Ambessa. @divad_doodles goes on to ask far more valid questions about the timing and emotions involved in the scene. Yet all we got in the video was "Vi says cupcake"? Yeah, something is wrong... These aren't minor differences between @divad_doodles' video and their reply, these are night and day difference between what's in the video, garbage, and what was said in response, points for reasonable discussion. Then there's the absurd, baseless rant about "getting our cool characters into the game where we want them to be", because that's not even close to what season two is. To me, this video was intended to be a hit piece for controversy clicks instead of to foster any sort of serious discussion about Arcane, thus the absolute absurdity of everything said. And when you start from a position of absurdity and what amounts to basically lies, it's an insult to the art, the artists, and the people that watch the video. So yes, I didn't hold back.
The show is bad stop trying to defend it when its clear they ruined every character in the show and we didn't think that would happen with how masterful season 1 story telling was.
Me when watching s1: "Wow, this is amazing. And Riot has so much lore to draw from, they should make more shows and start their own cinematic universe."
The Monkey's Paw curls.
I will admit I too was thinking "wow imagine if we get the nexus ionian invasion, or a show taking place in Targon" but once we started seeing signs of us abandoning actual Piltover and Zaun plot to set up future endeavors I was thinking "WOAH WOAH NOT LIKE RIGHT NOW"
that’s what they’re going to do, create more shallow shows that even league players can’t comprehend. other people will just watch and forget, like S2
Jayce and Caitlyn in s1: Grew up basicly as siblings. Best friends that tease each other and look out for each other.
Jayce and Caitlyn in s2: Caitlyn is not concerned at all when Jayce (and his gf Mel) dissapear out of nowhere. Neither is she suprised when he returns. It is, as if they were never really close and never cared for each other.
She never asks about the Arcane corruption on his arm, either.
Caitlyn in S2: “who the hell is Jayce?”
She doesn't even mention him. Instead she acts like a teenager. Also she was a rookie ex cop in s1, she had no merits to become the emperor of piltover and some how nobody resisted her 2 second election by ambessa, the foreign entity. Imagine a foreigner comes into your country and youre some rich trader, this foreigner picks a young ex cop with zero experience and no leadership, you'd be angry, you'd push back! But no everyone just accepted everything happening without asking the proper questions. This season sucked ass.
Loris was a big, nothing burger but shout out to Piano Man who stepped up from apprehensive concert performer to taking over Loris's turret station and hitting the critical target, even if Viktor wasn't inside it. AND HE F'NG LIVED!
That's how you write an incidental background character.
Yeah there were some interesting background characters, One of my friends watching with me kept thinking the piano guy was a league of legends character and it was so funny watching him in real time realize it defiantly was not
Piano man best boy
@@divad_doodles But but Piano Man fired the FOURTH shot tho...
yeah i guess arcane season 2 is basically proof that company ip ruins the creative expressiveness and actual storytelling of stories if they also need to sell something...
Yeah Riot games has shown a change in priority and has gotten a little more cash grabby in the past year especially with league of legends (introducing gotcha exhausted skins etc.) While I would not go so far to say this cinematic universe will be a cash grab, I am worried it might go a route more concerned with showing off popular ip rather than tell a full meaningful story, but I'll have faith that they understand where their priorities are now and this next series featuring Noxus, Ionia, and Demacia will be more consistent. (Even though I still am worried)
@@divad_doodles yeah but there has been a lot of critics of the show after season 2 being discussed rather maturely for the internet so hopefully they hear something ;-;
Finally I found someone else saying it. Season two felt like the show needed to bring all the characters to where they were in game lore. Season one was so intricate and told a story of a city crumbling. Season two was like okay so Mel needs to become a mage, Vander a wear wolf, Victor needs a cooler hammer and a dose of insanity, ekko needs to do multiverse stuff, and Victor needs to become time traveling cyborg Jesus... It felt like they were contracted for those characters back stories. So season one is like a delicate beautiful story about sectarian violence destroying a community. Then season two is like a pile of League lore?
@ lmao though a pile of league lore is also inaccurate at this point because a lot of the characters are not really anything like their counterparts in the game....
They don't to sell anything, the game is terrible, the show was a masterpiece but season 2 was needless fanservice and Rush character plots when season 1 told everyone's story perfectly and took its time
This is probably the best explanation of why I refuse to accept existence of Arcane beyond S2E3. For me, it ended somewhere there. Now I know why. Thank you!
Yeah for me everything is fire until the end of episode 4 when Warwick says "Powder" that's when everything starts to shift. (At first the early reveal was like "ok sure" so they'll know it's him while he's running through the under city. but we just straight up add him to the party and turn into a new gear)
@@divad_doodles Yeah - at first glance there are too many characters (therefore, people keep critisizing season 2 as "rushed") But upon reflection I think there are actually not enough characters in season 2, just too many plot devices.
@ Funny, isn't it? Season 1 was universally praised by everybody for breaking the videogame curse and teaching how to do videogme/comic adaptations properly. But as soon as The Big Money got involved, it was forced by executives back to the videogame curse formula and had to follow it to a tea.
12:12 THANK YOUUUUUU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS. BECAUSE ONCE I WAS DONE CRYING OVER THAT SCENE I PAUSED AND WAS LIKE. “hey. wait a second. did they just have the suicidal character kill herself.” (And then I found out she was alive and. It changed nothing because it still means she TRIED bc there is NO. WAYS she planned all of that out beforehand.)
The way they depicted Jinx’s struggle with suicide in S2 (before the finale) was so good it made her my favourite character. But then just… the longer I thought about it the more the appreciation for what they did right morphed into resentment and disappointment for what they did wrong.
Yeah the whole Actually warwick is still alive (again) so Jinx has to sacrifice herself to save Vi, felt like a way to put a temporary "ending" on her story so we could move on the whatever shows Riot has in store next, even though none of the story of Piltover in Zaun is actually done, so now it feels like a VERY strange "conclusion" for her character
My personal summary of what went wrong is that they had immature people leading the writing. Everything feels like it's trying to be this big epic/dramatic/edgey spectacle. None of the very serious things feel like they were being written with sensitivity and respect.
Jinx doesn't care if she's killed/is actively trying to die? Let's surround that with an epic flashy fight scene and her immediatly getting over her agony over a time skip, and not really explore her feelings in depth. The fact that people have to debate her exact motives is sad, she's a main character and we don't get to really see her exact thoughts that drive her like in s1. Because who needs to have a close connection with the characters when you can have slow motion action shots instead? That was totally effing thrown in for the cheap drama. Same goes for when she tries to blow herself up later. They clearly did not really want to write a story about mental illness or devastating losses. Lots of other things happened for the sake of drama, but that was just the most offensive to me.
All the tragedy in s1 was the result of the characters messing up and learning lessons, now it's cheap "boo hoo, look, the kid with the personality of a dog died, this is such a serious story with stakes, isn't it?"
i’ll never forgive them for season 2. absolutely butchered it. the more you think about it the worse it gets
That's an insanely cynical view of the writers/team that gave you S1. You'll NEVER forgive them?
Seems you all missed the fucking primary theme of the entire show from E1. Forgiveness.
This comment section is legitimately peak irony.
@@Blynx1991you are so insanely corny it’s not even funny
@nollaa3997 Hey thanks, much appreciated 🙏 When you say corny, I hear earnest.
@@Blynx1991There is no forgiveness without justice, bud.
@@Blynx1991forgiveness is a bad theme when it doesn’t bother with that theme. It just forgets crimes and sins.
Here’s the thing, I dont forgive this, because it ruined every character in this show. The characters were better off without it.
So as a result, I don’t care anymore. Maybe I forgive them, but I wish to never hear from them again.
16:30 Ikr, which is def why they had to remove him from the Zaun plot because Ekko would not stand any of it. Instead they move him to Piltover and then removes him from the whole plot for like 3 whole episodes
I remember think "Oh I hope they give Ekko a lot more screen time, I mean they kind of have to since he's a major part of the conflict of Piltover vs Zaun." And then they literally cast him into the AU so they could focus on anything but Piltover and Zaun
Season 2 is not terrible, but if I had to sum it up with one word I'd say my feelings are it'd be 'disappointing'. It had so many interesting plot points to go through - by the end of act1 I was incredibly pumped for Commander Caitlyn arc about Piltover and Zaun civil war. Only for it to be limited to less than 2 minutes music video in ep4, and we fast forwarded past everything to Caitlyn already being tired of Ambessa. I feel Warwick was completely unnecessary and he only served as plot device to link Vi and Jinx together, instead of writers creating a proper plot that would make these two to get sisters to reunite organically.
Characters in s2 don't talk(words were already counted and difference between seasons is staggering), they don't create bonds, it feels beautiful, shiny, visually stunning, and... very empty. It was mostly basing on cheap emotional sequences like Vander's hug, Isha's murder-suicide, etc etc. It was cheap tearjerkers and at closer scrunity it all falls apart.
Yeah, Arcane S2 wasn't really terrible I still enjoyed watching it, but by the end I just found my self going, "Ok sure" or, "This is what we're doing now"
Season 2 feels like a collection of cool moments but together they make just an ok story. Which would be fine if S1 wasn't a borderline masterpiece
The second half of season 2 felt like an interesting alternate route but we never got the original route. Perhaps they should work on this most needed and most likely route that focuses on the Zaun uprising. Where would the divergence be? Does it just has to stop at only two routes. The possibilities are endless 🤩
I honestly expected the reveal of Vander being warwick to not happen so early, we watch Jinx actually commit to being a symbol after the rally and prison break, and Vi go through her depression but SHE ends up running into Warwick who is terrorizing the under city and SHE ends up figuring it out.
Ambessa’s lesson to Mel in S1: “you must learn to be both the fox AND the wolf”
Ambessa in S2: “DURRrr THE WOLFF THE WOLF THE WOLF WAR THE WOLF WAR”
****Granted she does some subterfuge here and there like with Maddy, the false flag, and Viktor’s cocoon but the false flag was soooooooooo obvious and why would they assume viktor was in the cocoon? Jayce KNEW he would go for the hexgates HE LITERALLY TOLD EVERYONE THATS WHAT HIS PLAN WAS AND THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO LOSE THE FIGHT
WHY WOULD THEY RISK EVERYTHING TO SHOOT THE DAMN COCOON
I remember at the watch party when Mel started realizing she was a mage, I turned to my friend and said "Watch the climax be Mel fighting her Mother and when Ambessa dies she tells Mel she's finally the wolf." Honestly it was still cool, Ambessa was a very consistent character to me and I knew she'd be the endgame since she arrived in season 1, just the whole "War" thing felt so strange and disconnected. Also the cocoon thing was very funny, there was a lot of spectacle and not a lot of sense it felt like.
@I still love the season and series but I also sorta wish Mel had more time/ maybe just 1 more scene with Viktor post transformation
I feel like they could’ve had an interesting conversation since they were both mages and Viktor kinda being jealous of/ resenting Mel in S1 + Mel having this life thrust onto her while Viktor chose to make himself into the herald
They needed more time that they sadly weren't given because all the people who were NOT involved in the process, only cared about making money and moving on. The team actually wanted a longer story, and it probably wouldn't have been such a jarring change if they'd been given the time they needed. ART CAN'T BE RUSHED! Especially when you have so many people counting on you to make it great and willing to wait the extra time for it to BE great. But the money hungry b*tches wouldn't allow it. I feel bad for the team and they really did the best they could with the time they had. It's just unfortunate a great story had to be sacrificed.
The creators really ruined season 2 and the story of Arcane
Man, that's, like, the first review on Arcane S2 that I actually completely agree with. I know lore of the game, watched the series a couple of times(and actually liked S1), watched side stuff like theories and "things you didn't understand" but this... Damn, you nailed it. Great video, so good it actually made me want to write a comment lmao
Thank you very much I appreciate it!
Ive been ranting about the second season so much. Glad to see that you agree with most of what I'm thinking. I don't get how the first season could be so good and the second season feels so ..... ehh.....
Yeah me and my friends were so hyped for Season 2 after Season 1 but in the last half I basically sat there watching with them like, "Ok sure this is happening", "Ok this is what we're doing now", "Ok we're just gonna glaze past that", basically the entire last half of season 2 for me can be summed up into the phrase, "Sure ok."
why tf did they make this tragic bitter ending just for everyone to be alive💀💀
this vids cool its fun to see how arcane s2 isnt even good in a LOL lore standpoint
Yeah like it would've be fine if they changed the lore to better the story, but most of the major changes are just to wrap up the show. For instance Viktor takes a wild turn that is very different from what he is in the show and the game which is fine, but we just don't really explore viktor that much, he's just a way to "conclude" the show now, so now Arcane fans and League fans alike are confused. I would talk about Warwick aswell but Warwick was just a writing tragedy.
Season two was bad and so disappointing ,season one was a gift and so epic. Thank you for this video
I love it when the back half of this banger was just an ad
As Arcane had an incredible Story it was working with and made the characters feel so alive. And then as a league of legends player I watched in horror as suddenly we were skipping over important things to get our characters into their (league of legends form) I'm really scared for Mel in particular because of this.
It doesn't help 3 of the writers left the team which probably left the remaining writers in a bind.
No, 3 of the writers didn’t leave. There were 3 left. Two of which were not writers to start with.
Stop coping. Season 2 was bad. I tried coping after watching it too, but after putting more thought into it, I realised it's actually just bad. It's fine to set up future shows, but when that comes at the expense of the finale for a beloved show it's pure betrayal. I'm not a Leagues player, I don't care about Leagues lore, I care about Arcane. No shade against anyone who does enjoy Leagues lore. Fan service, if done well, can really improve the enjoyment for people who are into the lore, and that's awesome. But Arcane season 2 completely destroyed the show. I'm not going to be alwatching any more future Arcane-related shows.
I feel you in this, i literally have no interest in what comes next because of how removed S2 was story wise from S1. They had a solid story about real world problems that made it feel like a breath of fresh air, it felt so human in a fantasy world. Only to end in a marvel-esc bullshit time thingy with massive boss! What made me even more pissed is that i am a league player and my favorite zone/character are from Zaun and Piltover, I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT NOXUS
Id say to give a shot to the next Noxus show. Its arguably the best region and it will be pretty disconnected to Arcane. I as a league player also got disappointed, but lets not lose hope just yet.
@konstantinosmoschos1050 I've lost more than hope. I've lost faith.
@@5h0rgunn45 damn bro getting all philosophical on me 😂. But you know things can get better, but i wont force you if you are out. After all i might just have a much bigger tolerance for bullshit. Star wars must have made me a tough ass mf with all the crap content this past decade.
@konstantinosmoschos1050 Star Wars is exactly what lowered my BS tolerance to the floor 😅. I'd rather spend my time on more quality content and on making stuff of my own.
I feel like this season just has too much shit going on, and that just leads to all these other problems. I don’t think it’s like, the writers suddenly got bad or anything. You can see the sparks of great writing and storytelling here and there in this season, with some really well set up story beats and some really well concluded ones. However, with all the shit they crammed in, that muddle chunk of these story beats happening, is really really messy. Anyways really good video!
You articulated so many of my gripes with s2 perfectly
damn, i think this was absolutely spot on. truly, it feels like instead of solving a single conflict the show just. makes that conflict irrelevant. almost immediately.
bringing it back to Brandon Sanderson's theory of "promise, progress and payoff", it's like there are all these promises but then the progress is completely disconnected from the promise and the payoff is completely unrelated as well. meaning we never get any payoff for the actual promises that season 1 (or even many parts of season 2) sets up.
honestly, it feels like covid and the (now reduced) writing team talking over zoom without the artists in france and all this shit just... completely drifted the story without ever figuring itself out? they should have delayed, but alas, this is what we got.
and it's still awesome, don't mistake me -- it's just not what we were promised.
I've rewatched s1 countless times. I rewatched s2 only once when all episodes were out. I've decided that, while act 1 isn't very good either compared to s1, it's still significantly better than the rest of the season, so I'm considering only the first 3 episodes to be canon. Absolute dogshit horrendous writing. The disservice to all characters, the inconsistencies, garbage all around. Feel sorry for Fortiche artists, they created such a masterpiece of animation once again, but had to work with that bullshit. Animation and music are the only positives s2 has.
14:20 thats disgusting af, treating something a kid gaving her parents killed and going through difficulties as a fuckin slowburn material ? 🤮 Seeing this and the fact that she said that she saw the scene of ekko punching jinx and then they exchanging looks after he literally punched the fuck oit of her and nearly killed her as a "i feel like these characters could be in love" and then (as i've seen in Wikipedia) writing episode 7 of season 2 and putting ekko to kiss Powder without telling her that he is not her boyfriend and is he is someone else that fell on her body and having that whole shit happening with Vi and Caitlyn in the whole season 2 and putting them to have sex in that jail gives me a vision that this screenwriter's vision of how romantic love is is completely distorted.
Holy shit that was a long ass sentence.
@konstantinosmoschos1050 yep 😅, next time I'll try to put more punctuation
@@Paralelartist good call 😂
@konstantinosmoschos1050 yeah 😆, I'll be using this tip for the next comments I'll make
Yes! This is what I've been looking for this exact criticism! So many people are just unhappy with how it went and make these stupid videos where they just say everything was bad. When it wasn't, yeah Isha is a 2D impact character. Thats fine because the impact on Jinx is really interesting. But the whole second season is about giving people cool character arcs and not about the greater story of these two cities. When thats like the only thing i cared about so i was going back and forth watching season two. It was like oh my god its so beautiful, omg why is victor doing... Any of that? This story was super grounded and real! Then season two ended with cyborg Jesus. Fuck cyborg jesus.
Like I was fine with Viktor going this strange route, because we could have an arc where we realize oh he might be being manipulated by the hex core, and see connections to the void, or some hints. But instead we had him make this change and then ran with it as an end game when it would have been very beneficial to actually look into what's happening here. If Viktor would have slowly morphed into the arcane Herald by the end that would be fine but we needed an end game NOW so, it felt strange.
@divad_doodles but his whole thing it's just completely disconnected from the civil war? That's why I felt pissed watching it because I'm over here invested in the story of this city and Victor and Jayce where on a magic acid trip?
Thank you for this. I no longer feel like I was crazy for feeling that S2 was a let-down.
No Problem! I felt like I was just overthinking it when it first ended, but the more I thought about it the more sure of it I was, and then I watched it again and it was all so glaring
14:40 giving that riot games is a huge gaming company and its history of disrespecting their employees and trying to shut the scandals their ill administration and gaming/bro culture causes there, and the support its chairmen give to right wing agendas and politicians, and by the way, these chairmen are also executive producers of Arcane, it's kinda visible why this type of message about the political conflict got all weakened and swept under the rug because of a "bigger threat", because obviously rich capitalists wouldnt want ro have us, regular people who aint rich to have more political conscience, so for them its better to just be painting oppressors as good and as people we should forgive all of its oppressive shit, work with them and even date them with 0 or near 0 regard for their actions instead of keeping the kinda "war to the lords" and "down with the oppression" message of the first season, because they wouldn't want to raise that much awareness and throwing bits of representation to pretend to be progressive was the way they kept us invested and then yeeted some of that by the window.
I feel like Arcane might end up going down the same way as the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Not saying Arcane is as bad as Star Wars, just saying it might follow the same pattern: the first installment tells a relatively decent story, the second installment gets decent reception at first but starts getting more scrutinized until the fandom is divided on its quality, and by the third, it's solidified that the franchise is a flop. It hasn’t happened yet with the League of Legends series, and might never happen, but if the upcoming Noxus show has the same writing issues as Arcane Season 2, we'll be seeing the same train wreck unfold there be no defending the series anymore
I agree for sure, it was still a well made second season, but the differences in how things were handled were jarring
Also I'm a Warwick main.. enough said 😂 kidding
But I feel like Warwick is a good example for them rushing the Plot and forgetting Pitlover & Zaun
Because he basically gets a forehead Tattoo by Victor the Void- ehh Arcane Herald and then is a puppet for Noxus 😂
He was thrown around like a tennis ball for plot progression.. which would be fine if it's only him getting that treatment
He will interact with Zaun & other Zaun champs in the future presumably? Hopefully he'll live up to the Uncaged Wrath name then 💀
Since the Sewers of Zaun got teased below the Lanes
Anyways.. my point is that they treated so many champs like this, just a setup for future projects as you said and WW got introduced in Season 2, so I think he's a good example how they fumbled S2 stuff
Season 2 really barely has scenes where the characters are truly alone and we explore them further than the Plot needs to, I think that hurts it alot because Season 1 did it so naturally
What's also sad is that Season 1 rewarded you for picking up all the small stuff.. in season 2 it's also the case, but now you need to have 20 discussions before that one easter egg in the background should've told you enough about the protagonist's life altering decision.. oh wait no
About half the damn cast's decisions
Sorry your video was great and it made me yap a bit in this comment, you already talked about Ekko and it's 100% my take also 😂
I love what they've done with him, but why leave out random important scenes 🥴
Also I'm here to comment that I'd love a video about what your fears are for the future of the shows & Lore etc, this video felt well done and you seem to know what's up with the Lore 😁
I actually only wanted to write that I'd love the videos that you kinda teased at the end but your takes are too good to not respond to, sorry for the huge text 😂
Totally! Warwick was actually my first ever main! (Im a support now don't worry about it) So I was SOOO hyped when in season 1 Warwicks theme briefly played in episode 3 after Vander was called hound of the under city. There was so much set up! I was really excited to see the beast of Zaun in Arcane and see him hunting and causing chaos, especially after seeing him and Akko fight in the convergence game. Unfortunately we never got to see Warwick as a long lasting part of Zaun, which is unfortunate, again I never wanted Arcane to be League of Legends the show, I'm fine with changes in a characters story, but for some reason they just removed him. There was the build up to actually seeing him in action but after the incredible scene of him tearing through everyone and fighting Jinx, we immediately gave the reveal, and then he just kind of acts as a plot device from there on, and then dies, and then doesn't actually die and act as another plot device. So in the end Warwick ended up being the MOST disappointing for me because he had so much teasing and so much hype, just for us to kind of not use any of the interesting possibilities, rush past any interesting stuff he could do as a character, and use him mostly for flashbacks and a way to introduce the new threat and get out main characters back together :(
I gotta say I disagree with your take on the characters, because the characters don't even end up in the same place that they are in the game. Some of them don't even have a moment to be "themselves".
Also, you mentioned a lot that Singed will bomb Ionia, but with Raum showing up I think Arcane plays after the 1st Ionian invasion.
As someone that actually preferred Season 2, I'll put it like this. Some people favor world building, and some people are culmination fans. Some people prefer A New Hope, and some people prefer Return of The Jedi.
That's so freaking accurate. S2 wa definitely a Return of the Jedi to S1's Empire.
@gman7497 Good call on Empire, bc it's just as much world building as New Hope
First! 💥
Arcane as a whole was the best thing I watched. I never felt "betrayed" for a second while watching the show
That's valid honestly
I love the show, it was a gift, and I will never indulge in any form of blaming or going after creators, who are real people. And also everything you say in the video is correct.
You guys really expected a genuine message from a glorified online game advert, huh?
@@mehwhatever9726 I expected arcane to be nothing but league of legends on a screen therefore my expectations were at the floor, then season 1 gave us every thing including a genuine message and hope for what’s to come just for them to slowly drag it behind the curtain, put it down old yeller style and release a league of legends trailer
@@divad_doodles A classic trick in the book. Any story can lure in with a promise, but the only part that counts is resolution.
And with a story that pretty much admits that most characters would've been better off if it didn't happen... heh, admitting everything was pointless.
"But oh look: class wars, lgbt, multiverse, time-loops, sympathetic villains. We checked ALL the boxes you guys like!"
"What, you don't like that it's all too shallow? Well if we spent too much time delving into each, we wouldn't be able to check ALL the other boxes!"
I just started watching the entire show, I’ve seen so many people say things like this but I’m not even gonna lie
It wasn’t even that bad
Can't blame people for having high expectations
W video
lmao thank you!
where did Arcane go wrong? Season 1 Episode 4. The time skip was the first sign they didn't know what they were doing.
It's stunning how much you missed.
Let's start with your example of Caitlyn and Vi suddenly getting back together because Vi said cupcake...
When they broke up, Caitlyn was focused on getting Jinx to wrong the right Jinx had done, killing her mother, so much so that when Vi got in the way, she hit Vi and walked away. What happened that you completely missed was that after the fight where they broke up, Caitlyn got even more power to pursue Jinx, she was elevated from just a strike team leader to Commander Caitlyn. In that position, she slowly realized that she, and all of Piltover, were being manipulated by Ambessa. I mean, I really have to ask, did you completely miss the scene in S2E6 where Ambessa, who was supposed to be subordinate to Caitlyn, ordered Rictus to eliminate the herald's spokesman in front of Victor's compound? You can see right there on Caitlyn face that she clearly realized she had absolutely no control over Ambessa... That was a huge wake up moment for Caitlyn and any viewers that were actually watching and paying attention. At that point, not only did Caitlyn realize she was being used as a puppet, that Ambessa was manipulating her, she realized she was in a complete shit position and couldn't do anything about it. At least not until she saw Vi, who she attacked despite clearly recognizing her - there was no inkling of surprise in Caitlyn's words or face after she put Vi down and saw her face to face, because she knew damn well who it was. So yeah, "cupcake" didn't change Caitlyn's disposition, that's a childish take. It was to a lesser extent the fact that Vi's response of why she was there was that she was trying to save her dad, which spoke directly to Caitlyn's loss. And most importantly, that Caitlyn had been betrayed by Ambessa and needed all the help she could get, that changed her mind. Not the fucking cupcake statement... Jesus did you really believe that?
Your take on Vi and Jinx is likewise garbage. Jinx was upset that Vi was with enforcers coming for her, not that Vi was gassing or carrying out police brutality against the people of the undercity, because Jinx didn't actually care about the people of the undercity - Zaun and the people of undercity was never her cause, it was Silco's. She was just doing his bidding until he died. From the very very very beginning of season one, the only thing Jinx wanted was family, to be loved. She didn't get it from Vi, so she turned to Silco. When he died, she was lost until she found Isha, and eventually Vi again. There are scenes during Vi's downward spiral fights where you can see Jinx is watching her sister. So yeah, Jinx never seriously tried to hurt Vi. Going back, when Jinx said it had to be you to Vi, Vi realized this really was Powder, this was her sister. So why would you expect something to "pop off" just because Vi sees Jinx again, when Jinx wanted the love of her sister, and Vi now saw Jinx as Powder? Your take makes no sense unless you didn't really pay attention.
Your take on Victor as "void Ultron" is just as clueless. You've completely missed why Victor did what he did, yet it was all there for you laid out plainly. But you actually have to pay attention to the show to see it, which you clearly didn't.
All you've shown is that you didn't really watch the show very closely at all, and unfortunately for you, this is a show you actually have to pay attention to if you want to understand what's going on. Or you can watch videos from other creators that actually paid attention and get caught up, there are some amazing ones out there.
Please delete this video.
Hi! I actually watched the series twice and I got every moment! I Understand Caitlyn slowly realized she was being manipulated by Ambessa, we see it many times, even at one point questioning Ambessa asking when does it stop. And when Ambessa responds saying maybe you have the strength to do what I can't and forgive, it seems Caitlyn could possibly move to put a stop to things, but Caitlyn continues going along with Ambessa regardless of her suspicions. You could argue she was biding her time for the right moment, however we do not see this at all, instead she goes along with Ambessa and when she see's Vi THATS when she decides its time to betray Ambessa. And it's valid to argue it was because Vi was trying to save her dad, however it feels strange she's empathetic to this NOW when she was so apathetic to the fact Vi lost her parents to enforcers already. We could say she's tired and maybe not as riven by revenge, but then there's Vi would just lets everything Caitlyn has done up until now go. We get a brief argument in the after math while they're preparing for war where VI tells Cait she's been letting Ambessa trampling everywhere, but that's it unfortunately. So what I'm talking about in the video is that it feels as if there is a lot more to work out before we resolve tensions, but instead we have to rush to solve things so we can move on in the story.
Similar to Vi and Jinx. It's very understandable Jinx would go to her sister if something as crazy as Vander being alive is a possibility. But Vi has stated multiple times she has accepted her sister is gone, and while we believe she doesn't truly believe that, things resolve just too quickly. If we would have got more time to see Vi's feelings or how she coping with everything, and her hesitation with her sister, their reunion would have felt more cohesive. Same with Jinx, she has many reasons to not trust her sister, we get flashes of her betting on her sister and watching her hit rock bottom, but it would have been nice to get more to see how Jinx sees Vi in this moment. Also Warwick himself felt very underdeveloped. It felt like we were cutting things out or skipping arcs which was disappointing considering how important Vander being Warwick was, (It's been teased since Season 1 act 3)
There's a lot of things I wanted to mention in this video but I cut a lot for time, it was originally an hour of breaking down each point. I do love this show and I think it's great I just think it had the possibility to be so much better if it was allowed to, but it shifted in themes, and priorities. There are many valid criticisms to be made, and many of these criticisms I see echo by other creators swell. It's just our observations and opinions pls try to be nice
I like that you're passionate, but the video creator clearly had a bit more thought process in his video than you watching his video, you took some things very literal I assume
I love the show, as do you and opinions are objective.. but get your ego out of your behind with the "if you're smart enough you can see the character conclusion in 2 fckn frames"
And don't tell people to delete their video please 🥴
I wish you the best and you have good takes, but you need a lil slap on the wrist, your comment sounds mean as hell and not well thought out
"Your take on Victor as "void Ultron" is just as clueless. You've completely missed why Victor did what he did, yet it was all there for you laid out plainly. But you actually have to pay attention to the show to see it, which you clearly didn't."
Honestly, I think VIKTOR missed why Viktor did what he did. At no point does the motivation of his final form come naturally out of who he is as a character. He flips around completely in a way that goes against his character's core beliefs, with little to no solid reason as to why he's flipping those beliefs around to begin with. "Void Ultron" is very accurate, though moreso "Arcane Ultron" because Riot doesn't really care much for consistency. I have watched every scene with Viktor so many times over, he is my favourite character, but the only feasible explanation I can give for why he behaves the way he does in season 2 is that he was under the influence of the Hexcore, and that it was slowly taking over his body. This whole idea he has of spreading the Glorious Evolution through evolving people with arcane magic, that's exactly what the Hexcore would want, and nothing like what season 1 Viktor would want. The issue with this interpretation is that the final episode's conclusion doesn't work, because Jayce is appealing to Viktor's humanity, when all that is left is the Hexcore.
Any explanation you can come up with about why this works is one you have created of your own imagination, just as I have done. The writing in season 2 gives us no clear answers about anything, they breeze through so much without ever giving us the required context or information to understand characters and their motivations. Until the end of Act 3, I still had hope they would remedy this in some way, but they didn't. I genuinely believe this is simply a case of bad writing, and not enough time. The 2 season and 9 episode limit was just below the required amount to sufficiently tell the story they wanted to, and the amount of writers who had different ideas about where they wanted the story to go caused a lot of character motivation conflicts. There were plenty of good ideas, but simply too many for the time and characters, and trying to do them all like they did in Arcane s2 just doesn't result in anything that makes sense.
@@PeachHeadzAddictionI don't see a need to be generous to opinions that are ridiculous, such as the claim that "Vi says cupcake and [Caitlyn and Vi] are right back together", that's completely wrong and gives people the completely wrong impression of what happened. And the proof is in @divad_doodles' response to me - they talk about how they see, "many times", how Caitlyn was worried about being manipulated by Ambessa. @divad_doodles goes on to ask far more valid questions about the timing and emotions involved in the scene. Yet all we got in the video was "Vi says cupcake"? Yeah, something is wrong... These aren't minor differences between @divad_doodles' video and their reply, these are night and day difference between what's in the video, garbage, and what was said in response, points for reasonable discussion.
Then there's the absurd, baseless rant about "getting our cool characters into the game where we want them to be", because that's not even close to what season two is.
To me, this video was intended to be a hit piece for controversy clicks instead of to foster any sort of serious discussion about Arcane, thus the absolute absurdity of everything said. And when you start from a position of absurdity and what amounts to basically lies, it's an insult to the art, the artists, and the people that watch the video. So yes, I didn't hold back.
The show is bad stop trying to defend it when its clear they ruined every character in the show and we didn't think that would happen with how masterful season 1 story telling was.