Another good point for rF2 on the note of content: You actually buy the content. You can always use it cause you buy the game once and there you go. Add to that the workshop where you can get loads of free tracks, granted, not for the new online system because you can't put unlicensed mod tracks into the official MP system, but you actually get to keep the stuff you buy. With iRacing you lose all the content you bought when you stop paying for subscription, so you technically just rent the cars and tracks.
I agree with most. When you stop playing rf2, you lose that also. It’s not like you can use that content in another sim or pull out and push it around the floor 😊Iracing came out of the gate strong with the MP availability and servers all over. John Henry and his love for sim racing was a dream for Dave K. I prefer to not continue irqcing because the physics and tires suck but it’s simple and a lot of leagues which is me
@@RacingWithChuck27 the point is you only need to buy rF2 once, if you stop playing for a while you can just reinstall later without paying for it again
@@NiHi557 I understand that but maybe these other sims should charge something so they have a platform with no server issues and money for continuous growth. Not investing in something you love, not sure I get that, maybe it’s from the EA mindset? . Right now isn’t the new MP is rf2 having problems? It seems they planned for a small turn out instead of properly being ready. That’s because they didn’t want to spend the money, or have it too do it right? Life is usually about, you get what you pay for. I dislike irqcing tires and physics but the ease of finding a league , what price can you put on that? $10 a month wouldn’t that be worth rf2 to get a worldly MP system. Rennsport has an opportunity but they’re too busy stroking everyone with these big Esport event, that’s not sim racing, invited special people only.
@@RacingWithChuck27 It is a beta, they are literally having the new MP open right now to find, identify and solve the problems you are addressing my gamer. That is what a beta is for. And of course I dont mind supporitng my simulator of choice, which is why I am an active member of the community that tries to expand the playerbase as well by hosting events that could appeal to people and make them want to get rF2, besides buying DLC and using it
@@RacingWithChuck27Do you really not get it or are you intentionally being obtuse? Nobody has a problem paying a subscription fee to cover the cost of running a service. The problem is paying for content you don't own, and which disappears when you halt your subscription. Either everything should come with the subscription, or they need an offline mode where we can enjoy the content that we supposedly "bought".
I reinstall RF2 about once a year. I set it up (pure torture), play it, enjoy it for a bit, and then it does something daft like lose my FFB settings or delete my button assignments. I then uninstall it and promise to return in a year to see if things have improved. The cycle continues.
Rf2 just feels faster , has a better sense of speed . I’m starting to feel hopeful for Le Mans ultimate , I’m ready for the Cadillac with rf2 physics !
The thing I notice is that every car in iRacing feels somehow similar, in a bad way, whereas each RF2 car feels unique. I've often wished iRacing would just license RF2's tires model, that would be a great sim.
I realise this comment reveals a deep rooted lack of self-assuredness on my part. However, iRacing has a few simple but psychologically effective marketing messages, and a structured hierachical progression system, which combine to make it feel like I'm a motorsport enthusiast that's a member of an online racing community. By contrast, firing up RF2, AMS2, ACC or AC can feel very much like I'm a gamer playing a video game. As a 44 year old man with a fragile ego and limited critical thinking skills, iRacing has convinced me that I'm pursuing meaningful progression in a hobby which brings me closer to motorsport series I follow in real life. Regardless of how enjoyable the other sims are, and I use each one fairly regularly, compared to iRacing, using them does feel like I'm playing a game to enjoy a dose of light hearted escapism. The dichotomy I'm making is undoubtadely irrational as RF2, ACC and AC as simulators are probably several degrees nearer to providing the experience of driving a European circuit race car than iRacing does. As ridiculous as this sounds, iRacing feels more grown up. The gatekeeping aspect of the pricing structure probably plays a large part in that.
RFactor 2 is my go to sim. All this time, I've been waiting for this moment; to be able to be a daily driver in RF2. Why? Very smooth FPS, best FFB, and better netcode than iRacing. I can race hard and close, even from the other side of the globe, over 200 ping, as long as it’s stable. This is a big win. RF2 shall live on
In my experience, ACC and AC have amazing FFB, but the game isn't the most smooth in multiplayer races and very CPU / GPU heavy. iRacing has a very smooth experience, but the way the netcode works makes close racing dangerous. AMS2 has the best graphics, very smooth, and very good FFB, but lacks a ranked matchmaking system. RF2 ticks all the boxes for me. AMS2 is next on my wishlist.
Early this week I did my first Tatuus race on Race Control and I quailed poorly, didn't help that I only practiced for 10 mins... From my experience with iRacing I was pretty sure it would be all over on T1 but I ended up having close battles getting knocked around a bit but with no weird net code issues. I made my way to p2 with my 240 ping. I had a blast and could see the potential the system has.
The best point you made was when you said you have no idea if you are going to get value on iracing purchases. They should have at least a limited test drive feature. There is nothing worse than buying a car, going in to practice and immediately realizing you will never race the car. Not to mention the lost money on cars that are dead on arrival. I learned to never buy a car that runs a new series until I see that it is populated. Anyone that bought the ir01 or the electric Porsche wasted $25
I just started playing Rf2 because of you and I must say Im having such a great time there and I love that they have different cars and tracks instead of doing the same combo every hour. I find Rf2 way more easy to get Going then I did on Iracing. But I think we all wish AC1 Would just get a multiplayer rank system to beat out both games
"Humour" we're English (which is where the language originated) so English spelling only and please, don't mention "Aluminum" or we will get triggered....
iRacing competitor here. I've always felt that rFactor 2 has WAYYY better than handling that iRacing. I also used to find rFactor 2 had better graphics than iRacing, but I think that's because I had a potato for a CPU in the past; I haven't tried rFactor 2 since upgrading my CPU though, so perhaps iRacing would appear better than it now. (iRacing is very CPU heavy) rFactor 2 has always had terrible net code for me; I'm surprised you thought rFactor's was better. Clearly iRacing has a better online system, which is the only real reason I use it.
Even rFactor 2 Dirt Oval is pretty good, and will get better! Even though there is no dynamic surfaces, the moddability, variety, and types are priceless!!
When rFactor2 works its easily better than iRacing where it matters, but it is stil rough around the edges visually and with constancy. The DLC feels and looks very good but most peoples experience will be the old free content. I'm pretty much done with iRacing at this point so I can forgive issues rFactor 2 has as long as the ranked servers are up and running.
Yeah, rookie free content is a little outdated but so fun to drive, i just hope a lop of player don’t stop cause of this, cause in silver it’s mostly DLC and quality is here
Thanks for the video! I think it's a fair assessment. Not sure if you were referring to car sounds when you meant audio, but the 992 cup in RF2 sounds superb. Actually with motion and VR, it's the most immersive sim experience bar none imo.
I'm an iRacing fan, I watched this whilst cooking so my hands were too busy to skip the video so I had no choice to watch the whole thing. I'm now traumatised
@@GamerMuscleVideos Yes, which is PARTICULARLY annoying as I get my dinners via a subscription service which puts various random ingredients of wildly differing ages and cuisines into recipes that sometimes make no sense. Cutlery is £12 per knife and fork, and while I don't NEED cutlery, everyone else using this service would look upon me like a peasant if I just ate with my hands.
It's worth noting if you're using a CSL DD run it in CSW 2.5 compatibility mode for a much, much smoother feel. And the recommended PC specs aren't that accurate. My potato PC can run it in 4k at 80-120FPS with decent settings, but make sure to install it on an SSD. New to RF2, absolutely loving it. Mods are a great bonus.
I've installed and uninstalled this game so many times. Every time I see a popular YTer raving about it I install again. And an hour later uninstall. It's rubbish. There is way too much faff to get things working and even then it never feels quite right. Also HF8 feedback pad and buttkicker both don't work properly on RF2.
iRacing: Very good game with a very good AI (though not perfect). Way too expensive to be a reasonable choice and has netcode issues. Assetto Corsa Competizione: Good GT3/4 racing, especially with LFM, cheap. Terrible, horrible force feedback, boring and lifeless AI. Curbs are unrealistically punishing. Automobilista 2: Decent AI, though bugged on longer races with pitstops, lots of content, great force feedback. Almost nobody plays online. rFactor 2 (I don't own the game, but from what people say): Good force feedback, good physics. DLCs are expensive, setting it up is a nightmare, inconsistent quality between content and the AI is also very inconsistent and buggy. RaceRoom (only tried a little bit of free content): Lots of content, good AI. Not many people play online, buying extra content can be very expensive, no rain, bad weather system. Assetto Corsa: Good with mods, lots of content. Decent driving experience. Not much to do, as the AI is generally bad and boring, you can get some multiplayer races on open lobbies but don't expect much competitive racing. Without mods it's almost worthless. Curbs are unrealistically punishing. TL;DR: If you're a simracer, you can never be happy playing one sim at a time. Or just never be happy in general.
Subbed just because you don’t mind publicly criticizing iceRacing! And I started my simming with all the Papyrus sims, my first sim was IndyCar Racing in '94. They've all been icyRacing. Having just got my first DD though, the one sim I want to try with the DD is Grand Prix Legends, seems properly icy with those hard skinny tires that last 2-3 races.
Trying to love this game. But some cars don't have any force feedback and feel really floaty. Impossible to drive, while other cars feel amazing. No idea what to change in settings, as already used online guides to set up.
Agreed - I noticed that with some cars on rFactor 2 the connection to the track feeling isn't there at all - such as the BMW M2 - but with others it feels great - such as with this Radical. Getting my FFB dialled in correctly has been a bit of a nightmare!
The problem is not your settings, but the car itself. rFactor2 is amazing, but one of its negative points is the inconsistency of content. As a rule of thumb, the DLC cars are top notch, but even with those cars you will find difference in FFB feeling (none of them are bad, but some are better than others). Now if we talk about workshop content, its no mans land. A handful of them are actually good, with the remaining being divided between ok'ish, bad and terrible. And that also includes the workshop content of S397 and image space inc. (which some people consider to be official lol). To be safe, drive the DLC, or be prepared to get disappointed half of the time.
Hi @@adolfobisi6027 thanks a lot for breaking that down. I thought I was doing something wrong on my end with certain cars and it was starting to drive me mad!
Very different cars will behave very differently. You have to get used to that. But if you don't like it you can always increase the FFB multi in the session for that car, assuming your wheel driver software isn't the issue. I think this is one of the key differences most people coming from other games have to face. Not all cars are created equally and thus feel different.
I've probably got 10,000+ plus hours in iRacing, and maybe only 100 in rFactor 2, but I know rFactor 2 is a far better sim. In 2023, I can barely tolerate iRacing's graphics, and rFactor's is a small step down even from that, but the main reason I still race in iRacing is the obvious one; it's just so easy to get in a race with other humans.... but I'm interested to see what rFactor can accomplish with the new systems they've implemented this month.
Iracing costs way too much. This is the reason I haven't been on iracing for about 3 years or so. I have close to 200 tracks and over 100 cars for rFactor 2 and I haven't spent very much money for any of it. Maybe a hundred dollars i've spent in 8 years for rfactor 2
Ive always enjoyed rf2 over iracing and ACC. Been getting races in at 4am here in the US ever since the online feature went live. Wish the servers were open 24 hrs
Been really enjoying the rants lately on the commute to work. Very similar opinions, I'm curious do you spend much time modding on Assetto still? I've quite enjoyed the MASSIVE graphics updates on CSP,SoL,Pure that make driving 30 cars down Pacific Union at sunset wicked fun or take a bunch of modded cars down LA canyons for a 20 minutes of bumper to bumper cruising\weaving with maxed graphics and still getting 120-200fps. I'm shocked. It's still so good... ..ruins me for other titles when I'm like ye but I feel like I'm looking at real driving in AC now everything else looks dated.. which is funny cuz it's the oldest title I play ?? Thank you Ac community ❤ haha ramble done. Cheers on the great takes - tea clinks
Yeah all the stuff with content manager is the most difficult one to get set up properly but once it all comes together it's beautiful. It's such a versatile platform and it's the only place where you can enjoy all kinds of content from stock little hatchbacks to formula cars and everything in between. AC is the GOAT for drifting and also unmatched for track days or open road cruising. Althoug I really like the racing in ACC and RF2
id love to know how great this sim is but i can not get passed the final boss (the setup menu). triple screen setup seems to be challenge and dont get me started on the button layout
I Couldn't agree more with this, I wanted to try out RF2 as i have heard amazing things about the handling but running Triples and also mismatching gear (SC2 Pro, VRS Pedals, Cube Wheel) seems to be almost impossible to get it to run smoothly and easily without it feeling like utter garbage, lets hope for both our sake they can somehow figure out a setup menu
I started playing rFactor 2 on my Logitech 935 series and was blown away with FFB. Moved to Fanatec and its even better. Lots of little bugs here and there with FFB that start to grind and I loose my FFB settings from time to time... Other than the bugs its my favorite Sim for now. AI is also pretty good also quite good.
The comment about “there goes half the audience” was fucking hilarious! I couldn’t agree with you more on the physics. Why can’t iracing people take criticism? I have pretty much every racing sim and game and play them for what they are.
In this case it’s understandable. In rf2 the fastest way to drive is to fully drift it round. I’m all for having an interplay with the car but rfactor 2 isn’t that,it’s just loosening the car as much as you can in the setup and holding on for dear life as the thing drifts round every corner Iracing for me as someone who’s tested a few single seaters and a few ginetta gt cars,is very realistic until you’re very very far over the limit. I despise this impression in sim racing that cars somehow save themselves miles over the limit,they don’t. They have a point slightly over where you’ll be correcting the car and anything over that you’ll be spinning locking up etc etc. Rfactor 2 doesn’t factor this in. That’s not to say iracing is flawless,one of my main gripes is the way it handles lock ups. In a real car generally when you let off the brakes during a lock up the car will push on straight but the locked wheel will stop locking. In iracing you can be off the brakes and even on the throttle and you can still hear see and feel the wheel locking.
@@willyoung6858 lol "Very far over the limit" Sure RF2 is super drifty and overly slidy in meta. But iRacing the cars totally brake down on the limit they litrally don't support countersteer properly everything the driver does has to be premptive and ahead of it happening which requires you to trile and error the specific fail conditions for each corner. Fastest way to drive in iracing revolves around memorising set specific wheel angles for each corner , it's the antithesis of "driving" If real cars were like iracing half the grid would be dead in 5 laps. The lock up and grip not returning behaviour is also reflected with lateral grip tires don't spring back and bite back anything like real tires. iracing is insane with how tires heat up then get stuck over limit with grip not returning fast as it does in almost all situations with real cars , which is presumably why iracing are re working the tire model. Just go to centrifugal track and pop rear out and catch it or even get into a mild slide , the way you countersteer and how car responds is nothing like a real car it's so unhinged. AC1 is by far the closest to getting a tire and how tires behave right though , AMS1 and Race room also have cars that are ballenced and generally drive like real cars even if each of those SIMs still have issues and weird grip levels
@@GamerMuscleVideos none of them are perfect. However at least from my experience,iracing in the right cars,and I stress right cars because this is crucial for judging any game,has good behaviour on the limit. I also stress on the limit,as irl if you push enough over the limit you will spin or lock up,which in the right cars iracing replicates well. Rfactor on the other hand,is too slidey in virtually every car,and when trying to drive quick at least to me is frustrating because it’s simply too easy there’s no challenge to it in my view.
@@GamerMuscleVideos moreover,in the top split races I do no one spins. This suggests that in the nicest way possible it’s a skill issue. Like let’s be real,pro drivers don’t die in 5 laps because they’re simply pro drivers,put 30 plebs in any car irl and the entire grid would be dead within 5 laps. I also find your point about tyre temp strange,as usually for me in the cars I drive on iracing the Tempe return to normal after a long straight between corners
there is a push to talk key binding in rfactor2 so i would assume that voice is in the works. I had Iracing for a couple of years and since the new rf2 online started i haven't touched iracing.
I’m one of those idiots who have been with iracing since the last beta. I’ve never liked the tire model, even through all the variations. There’s been so many they stoped adding a # too them. A race car you’re suppose to push it, hustle the car when you need to. Iracing you get to about 95% and if you lose it, it’s the slow lazy death spin. I’ve had rf2 for about two months. It’s not to hard to set up. The new system to grind up so you can race what you want, that’s not really exciting, mostly because I’m a league guy. Finding a league isn’t easy either. I was hoping Rennsport would capitalize on all the sims through the years, learn from their mistakes and bring out a banger( is that a British slang)sim. One last thing, some of the rf2 tracks look like ass. I normally am about apex’s and physics but some are so ugly it’s distracting lol
I agree with everything stated here. I paused my iRacing subscription until this either dies (by way of no one playing it) or iRacing allows me to own the $500+ worth of content I bought, without having to pay a monthly fee (spoiler: this will NEVER happen).
iRacing only looks better than rF2 becuase they finally got rid of the obligatory for 2005-2010 game piss filter white balance. Took them way too long but better than never for a game you spend 87 trillion dollars on.
Why being on a mission to make every car have the same FFB response? One of the beauties of rFactor 2 is that cars really handle and feel different. Why try to kill that? Some cars will have a lighter wheel while in other it'll be heavier, so what? Congratulation! Very honest video. There are some interesting points I hadn't heard of before.
It's hilarious watching a Race in Iracing. Seeing cars spear off the track at right angles because the driver has absolutely no idea what the car is doing.
Another great video with some “Witt” thrown in! Rf2 is awesome for ffb and something you didn’t mention is the tire model, simply amazing, take care of them or you’ll be vibrating like a girl’s “bob” 😆! Thanks for sharing w us!
RF2 feels more real. I don’t care for graphics and I must say the sense of speed they NAILED it. Also, AMS2 just got a mod of the dallara Indycar and it’s pretty cool but not even close to RF2 dallara. Ams2 indycar windshield needs effects it’s like it’s not even there. Also the steering wheel is too close to the Firewall. The drivers finger clips through the switch.
Thanks for the comparison between the two games. I never joined IRacing because having a monthly subscription and I I did not want to forced into spending all my time and efforts in making any progress in one game. I am a courteous online driver, but watching some of the you tube videos, feel the people are too serious and short fused on IRacing. I like the other games such as RFactor 2, RaceRoom, etc where racing is not so strenuous and don't charge monthly fees. Reading another comment, Correct me if I am wrong, IRacing if you quit the subscription, we loose all the content that was acquired during membership. My other games I have one time purchased from STEAM, I can use them any time and there are no additional periodic fees that are needed. Anyway, thanks for the video and take care.
Reason why Rfactor 2 never clicked with me is because it never worked for me. I've put 30 hours into it, and 20-25 hours of that was trying to get the screen stutters to stop, which they haven't and I've given up on. It's UI is also far more complicated than pretty much every other sim out there. Iracing and most sims are pretty much just click and play, this one is a pain in the backside to do anything
If rF2 wasn't such a massive pain to set up and if I didn't have to pray that my game would actually run and not crash due to some arcane mod I have going on, I would definitely be playing it a lot more now that it has the new multiplayer.
Refreshing to see something this honest and very true. Kudos from a girl who wonders where you nice people all are while she's dodging degenerate buffoons.
I see the incoming messages of people saying, that iracing isn´t as expensive as everybody else in the world says, because you get a couple of dollars back, when you race every race of a season.
I really dont see it. I dispise rf2. Iv tried it so many times and promptly purgd it from hard drive with half a hour. I dunno, maybe theres some magic in the settings i need to fiddle with. When content creators start praising rf2 im constantly asking myself "are we playing the same game here?".
What puts me off RF2 is how long it takes to load a track....it's as if they don't take advantage of the users ram and are still trying to shoehorn everything into a 4gb ram stick. The whole user experience, to get into a race, is simply awful and it just doesn't seem to get any better, but once you're in, the driving feels great. iRacing, or iRenting as I prefer to call it, is not even worth considering unless you're going to put a LOT of time into it. I had three different accounts, so I could jump back in for the 3 months for 5 dollars for new users. The last time I decided to buy some content. After spending about £150 I decided to bail as it was a constant money pit. You should either pay a subscription or pay for content, not both. iRenting fan boys always fall back on playing either the free content, which is fine if you're happy with that. I wasn't and wanted to race GT3. Their second fall back position is the fabled "participation credit" scam, failing to mention that you have to complete 75% of a season to qualify and guess what?? You will need to buy some tracks to be able to complete the season....unless you want to race just the free content. It's a horrible, punitive and extremely costly system. I really liked your apple comparison cos most apple users are also brainless and like things because they are "shiny".... I'm playing the new Forza at the moment and really enjoying it. Great video once again mate, go and have a nice cuppa and relax, lol.
Runs beautifully on my 6 year old computer at medium graphics at 1440P. I also have it running at greater than 60fps on a 12 year old computer on the lowest graphic setting. I don't think many games can do that.
@@racingsimaddicts7563 I’m upgrading to a newer PC tomorrow because my current one with an 11 year old GPU and CPU can only run iRacing on low settings, ACC is pretty bad and rF2 is unplayable with like 25 fps at low settings lol.
As a 10 year + 'iRacer' I got RF2 the other day and did a few practices with the M2 at Limerock a track I've done a million laps at in iRacing in the MX5....initial thoughts were the gfx and definition of the track/kerbs iRacing wins 100%. The handling....undoubtedly in RF2 you can just grab a car and drive it without crashing, it's just far more forgiving, that said in the M2 for example it feels floaty and just drifts everywhere not sure it feels like the wheels are in contact with the road. IRL I have a Focus mk3 RS (not a race car and arguably not even a great road car) if it drove like the M2 in RF2 I would think the wheels hadn't been bolted on properly. That said I could certainly say the same about many cars in iRacing because they can be so unforgiving. In short I prefer iRacing altho I equally hate it due to the constant feeling of been robbed
Hello there, driver coach for the M2 Cup Germany here, the update for the M2 was actually done with our feedback from drivers, engineers and our head coach. ACCs M2 doesn't really have anything to do with the M2 Cup in real life, the M2 in rF2 is definitely the closest thing we have so far. It's not 100% accurate yet, mainly it misses a bit of power cause when the M2 Cup was launched it had 350hp and by now our Cup drives with 365 and got a bit of weight removed, but the general handling is quite good already
@@NiHi557 Feedback from drivers engineers etc. unfortunately doesn't directly translate to more realistic driving experience and the state of that car shows it. It slides all over the place. I feel like I am driving a shopping cart.
@@disturbed1787 at high speed the car is generally understeer, but when you start putting the throttle down hard, the rear will go around, you have to drive the car carefully. If you go over the limit you can still catch it, but you will obv lose a lot of time
You are talking to a 5k iracing legend , and I have multiple thousands of hours in iracing having done months of 10-15 hour a day live streams in iracing this year. No it's not gotten different it has the same physics issues it's always had , that are masked a bit by making cars even more sloppy. Grass grip is the only substantial change. Tire model is nowhere near as good as RF2,AMS1,AC and never had been. They are working on new tires to fix the well known issues they have of wheels not working like wheels at the limit.
I still think iRacing has the edge in brake feel. It’s the game that feels the most organic. However, rf2 has superb ABS feel! You can really ride the threshold to stop the ABS from kicking in, since you can actually feel it through the wheel. If iRacing had this same feedback, the brake feel would be well clear of all sims.
Are you insane ? Iracing tires don't even support realistic braking because if you lock up the tires stay stuck over the limit where as real tires generally just snap back right away. With non abs cars in iracing you can litrally set brake to 68-75% with a top cut and use that to be at track pace with little to no risk of binning it which gives a massive advantage over players that get stuck in slides from braking a fraction too hard. Then as for feel of braking both iracing rf2 are quite pore. AMS2 with custom ffb can be ok in that regard but AC1 is by far the closest to real tires and with most detailed FFB , it's not even close.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I agree with the odd tire behaviour after a lockup. But until that point, the brakes feel really good. As far as I can tell, the actual input, at least for GT3’s and prototypes, is pretty accurate compared to real life telemetry. Drivers barely ever hit 100% pressure, and even if they do, it’s always for a fraction of a second until they trail off. ACC has the poorest brake feel, whist AC can vary depending on the car. AMS2 still has some work to do
This is weird to me because rF2 has the absolute best FFB feedback that tells you what the tires are doing under braking. It's almost telepathic how good it is and knowing right when the tires are on the edge of lockup. It's one of the strongest plusses I've found in rF2 over every other sim so far.
Great video as always James! Im sorry to say though the ffb in the BMW cup car u get for signing up is horrible. I cant get it to work. I have the Moza r9. I changed the file to 9 like videos have said and tried everyones ffb settings and its awful. The tatus f4 i got to work fine though. Not sure if its just that car though
Not sure how people spend hundreds of dollars a year in iRacing. I only bought what I was actually going to use and I knew I was going to use so I've been pretty frugal with that. I typically only mass bought tracks when sales happened as well and NOT cars because again, I'm not going to buy a car I'm not going to use yet.
There's a few little things that seems ridiculous that i can't get over. How is there not a hotkey to lower and increase FFB while in car? How is there no FFB meter to perfectly tune it? How is there no option to turn real mirrors off and only run a virtual mirror? I honestly gave up in the first 10 minutes when i found stuff like that out and just went back to iRacing.
iRacing or any sim only can be judged who raced them but they would only get a feeling from real racing on which it is in the Sim it's still good anyway.
The feeling is indeed amazing. The graphics are ok. The base content is rubbish and the DLC is too expensive. But my main gripe with this game is how volatile it is regarding the overall configuration process.
8BTCC cars and 4 track 30€ formula pro Spa, Monza Nurb and Nords 19€, realy too expensive? Wait for sales and buy pack is the best way, i’ve all the content for 170€, it take me 1year 😅
I still enjoy Race Room Experience the most of them all
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Telemetry output is also quite different between the two. rFactor2 is limited to 60hz. iRacing buffers to 360Hz. This is a big difference when it comes to haptics, specially with laser scanned tracks.
I didn't watch the video but Rfactor is a serious pain in the d to get working correctly. Always some issue, car sounds not working correctly, UI is still confusing, can't see what cars you are driving pre race, almost broke my wrist at the start of a race when the game decided to go full lock in a straight line, pedals not working intermittently. But when the game works its really great, just so god damn inconsistent its not worth the time unfortunately.
If you want to sim race at any hour in almost any discipline and compete with drivers closer to your own skill set, then IRacing wins hands down. It’s not even a close comparison. I raced nearly every other sim before moving to Iracing. I made the choice for 1 reason. More players racing at any given time of day 24/7/365z If that is not your gig, then Iracing is a poor investment. The comparison between sims is just that. A comparison. I loved every sim I spent time on. They all have positive and negative. If you desire online competition, then Iracing IS the pinnacle. If you just wanna have fun, then there are several sims to play. If you desire top online racing, then there are no other sims to consider. Comments about Iracing crash physics made herein, then GamerMuscle you have not picked up Iracing since the last update. You should give it a shot.
They all have positives and negatives , a big negative of iracing is the cars don't allow you to drive as you would an actual car , which is fine for a game but a bit of an issue for a sim. No real car I have been in has been like iracing not a single one. Radical SR3 , Aston Martin GT4 , Airal atom , Toyota Celica , multiple rental karts. And no tire I have driven in real life , slick , road , cut slick has driven like iracing at the point the car is being pushed at all. No SIM is an investment, iracing can be a fun does have some good points but the tire model and netcode are terrible. They are working on tires though and at least they fixed grass after 5 years of complaining which has already made races much cleaner and more fun. 5k iracer BTW so I'm basically simracing jusus.
I've never played anything other than AC and ACC so I'm not biased towards neither iRacing nor rFactor 2. With that in mind I really don't understand why some people like simulators that are more "forgiving" than others. It's a simulator so it should in theory simulate real world conditions. In that regard I'm more interested in the opinions of someone who drives real racing cars for a living than opinions of random sim racers on the web or casual track day drivers. If a professional race driver tells me iRacing is more realistic than rFactor 2, then I'd prefer iRacing over rFactor 2 because I want to experience the challenge of real racing as much as possible. I don't care if one is more "forgiving" than the other, they're called racing simulators for a reason, so I expect a simulator to be as close as possible to the real experience.
I still find iRacing the best in every aspect compared to rf2. But in saying that rf2 is still fun to play around with and will definitely be giving the new online system a proper crack
1, We have saying in Finland that u dont't show unfinished product to a lunatic or a superior. Deside which you are.. ;-) 2. The newer rf2 contents graphics are too notch. I think old ones are on par or better than iracing. I put raceroom and iracing in same category by graphics, iracing is just yellow and raceroon blue
I have a moza r5 and no matter what i do i cant get it feeling right at all. if rfactor2 had more support id give it another go but its so buggy for me.
I think that if people analize any sim's physics apart from iracing they would find twice as much bugs and flaws in the physics in half the time. Iracing is far from perfect, but people tend to hate too much without even thinking about it. For example: rf2 has flatspots simulated and Iracing does not. Ok, it's rf2 flatspot model really accurate? Nobody even cares. Well, if Iracing simulated that, it would be something deeeeply analyzed and criticized. My own opinion, of course.
I have been trying to move to RF2 from Race o7 but the total lack of reality in the setup makes it a kiddie game. I've tried , really I have but my heavily moded Race07 is just far better physics and more fun to drive along with 400 cars and 300 tracks all for free. PS Oh I nearly forgot . the car gets out of the pits too^^. I have Automobalista 2 as well . that's just rubbish, Race Room looks and feels ok but I'm not paying for every track and car. I haven't tried I racing , again it's a money thing.
I was just thinking we were due for a GamerMuscle winge about iRacing. I'm not going to argue with most of your points, but please stop with the whole "iRacing doesn't let you push the car or go over the limit in a recoverable way" BS. That was true a few years ago, but has improved dramatically since then to the point where it's simply not true anymore. It's like you have some kind of PTSD from it and just can't let it go. Like a Nam vet who still thinks Charlie is coming through the wire. That said, I still love your content, even if it rubs my iRacing fanboy-ness the wrong way at times. And I'll admit, it keeps me at least somewhat objective and gets me to try other sims. So, cheers!
No it's still messed up , new cars still have the same issues. So no it's not BS Iracing are also working on a new tire model so I guess that's for nothing. When iracing fixes it's tire model iracers will have a mental brake down , as it simply won't drive at all like iracing anymore.
drive the super formula. iceRacing is still a hardcore thing in 2023 with new content. Drive the caddy dpi... Drive just about any high DF car on that service. Either you aren't pushing these cars to the limit yourself or you are delusional.
@@papalenny I do drive the Super Formula and I've just switched from the P217 to the LMDh for endurance races. The Super Formula slides around about as much as you'd expect. If you have good throttle control, it's definitely recoverable. But if you don't back off when it starts to go, it's definitely going to snap around, just like it would IRL. I haven't driven the LMDh enough to say, but I have a lot of hours in the P217, and it's the same way. You can get it a little out of line, but if you go too far, or don't have very fast and accurate throttle control, you're probably going to at least lose some time. How much do you think you should be able get out of line with these cars? They are not designed or set up to drift around. High downforce cars are made to be steered with the throttle, and you're delusional if you think they should be. You guys just want every car to make you look like a driving god, and sorry, but you are not. I'd bet everything I own if we put you in these cars IRL, and there's no way you'd be able to control them like you think you should be able to.
Not many people know this but iRacing dev office is in Alaska and over the years they've developed the best ice racing simulator to this day.
Much updates in the past did change this dude
Thank you, that made me chuckle
Bye bye iracing. Most greedy Racing sim out there but In no Way The best
@@christheander371 we will see 😅
Lolol
Another good point for rF2 on the note of content: You actually buy the content. You can always use it cause you buy the game once and there you go. Add to that the workshop where you can get loads of free tracks, granted, not for the new online system because you can't put unlicensed mod tracks into the official MP system, but you actually get to keep the stuff you buy. With iRacing you lose all the content you bought when you stop paying for subscription, so you technically just rent the cars and tracks.
I agree with most. When you stop playing rf2, you lose that also. It’s not like you can use that content in another sim or pull out and push it around the floor 😊Iracing came out of the gate strong with the MP availability and servers all over. John Henry and his love for sim racing was a dream for Dave K. I prefer to not continue irqcing because the physics and tires suck but it’s simple and a lot of leagues which is me
@@RacingWithChuck27 the point is you only need to buy rF2 once, if you stop playing for a while you can just reinstall later without paying for it again
@@NiHi557 I understand that but maybe these other sims should charge something so they have a platform with no server issues and money for continuous growth. Not investing in something you love, not sure I get that, maybe it’s from the EA mindset? . Right now isn’t the new MP is rf2 having problems? It seems they planned for a small turn out instead of properly being ready. That’s because they didn’t want to spend the money, or have it too do it right? Life is usually about, you get what you pay for. I dislike irqcing tires and physics but the ease of finding a league , what price can you put on that? $10 a month wouldn’t that be worth rf2 to get a worldly MP system. Rennsport has an opportunity but they’re too busy stroking everyone with these big Esport event, that’s not sim racing, invited special people only.
@@RacingWithChuck27 It is a beta, they are literally having the new MP open right now to find, identify and solve the problems you are addressing my gamer. That is what a beta is for. And of course I dont mind supporitng my simulator of choice, which is why I am an active member of the community that tries to expand the playerbase as well by hosting events that could appeal to people and make them want to get rF2, besides buying DLC and using it
@@RacingWithChuck27Do you really not get it or are you intentionally being obtuse? Nobody has a problem paying a subscription fee to cover the cost of running a service. The problem is paying for content you don't own, and which disappears when you halt your subscription. Either everything should come with the subscription, or they need an offline mode where we can enjoy the content that we supposedly "bought".
I reinstall RF2 about once a year. I set it up (pure torture), play it, enjoy it for a bit, and then it does something daft like lose my FFB settings or delete my button assignments. I then uninstall it and promise to return in a year to see if things have improved. The cycle continues.
It just don't get any better mate..
I simply can't understand what they're playing at....🙄
Salve o arquivo Player J.son e substitua quando ocorrer esses erros.
Rf2 just feels faster , has a better sense of speed . I’m starting to feel hopeful for Le Mans ultimate , I’m ready for the Cadillac with rf2 physics !
@@1xRacer the Indycar game wasn’t to be developed by studio397. Le Mans ultimate is made by studio397 and published by motorsport games
LFU have the most realistic understeer ffb effect .being in real life situation it's behave and feels the same 😂
The thing I notice is that every car in iRacing feels somehow similar, in a bad way, whereas each RF2 car feels unique. I've often wished iRacing would just license RF2's tires model, that would be a great sim.
I realise this comment reveals a deep rooted lack of self-assuredness on my part. However, iRacing has a few simple but psychologically effective marketing messages, and a structured hierachical progression system, which combine to make it feel like I'm a motorsport enthusiast that's a member of an online racing community. By contrast, firing up RF2, AMS2, ACC or AC can feel very much like I'm a gamer playing a video game.
As a 44 year old man with a fragile ego and limited critical thinking skills, iRacing has convinced me that I'm pursuing meaningful progression in a hobby which brings me closer to motorsport series I follow in real life.
Regardless of how enjoyable the other sims are, and I use each one fairly regularly, compared to iRacing, using them does feel like I'm playing a game to enjoy a dose of light hearted escapism. The dichotomy I'm making is undoubtadely irrational as RF2, ACC and AC as simulators are probably several degrees nearer to providing the experience of driving a European circuit race car than iRacing does.
As ridiculous as this sounds, iRacing feels more grown up. The gatekeeping aspect of the pricing structure probably plays a large part in that.
RFactor 2 is my go to sim. All this time, I've been waiting for this moment; to be able to be a daily driver in RF2. Why? Very smooth FPS, best FFB, and better netcode than iRacing. I can race hard and close, even from the other side of the globe, over 200 ping, as long as it’s stable. This is a big win. RF2 shall live on
❤️RF2❤️
In my experience, ACC and AC have amazing FFB, but the game isn't the most smooth in multiplayer races and very CPU / GPU heavy.
iRacing has a very smooth experience, but the way the netcode works makes close racing dangerous.
AMS2 has the best graphics, very smooth, and very good FFB, but lacks a ranked matchmaking system.
RF2 ticks all the boxes for me. AMS2 is next on my wishlist.
What’s your specs mate? Still trying to find some good graphical settings
Early this week I did my first Tatuus race on Race Control and I quailed poorly, didn't help that I only practiced for 10 mins... From my experience with iRacing I was pretty sure it would be all over on T1 but I ended up having close battles getting knocked around a bit but with no weird net code issues. I made my way to p2 with my 240 ping. I had a blast and could see the potential the system has.
The best point you made was when you said you have no idea if you are going to get value on iracing purchases. They should have at least a limited test drive feature. There is nothing worse than buying a car, going in to practice and immediately realizing you will never race the car. Not to mention the lost money on cars that are dead on arrival. I learned to never buy a car that runs a new series until I see that it is populated. Anyone that bought the ir01 or the electric Porsche wasted $25
I just started playing Rf2 because of you and I must say Im having such a great time there and I love that they have different cars and tracks instead of doing the same combo every hour. I find Rf2 way more easy to get Going then I did on Iracing. But I think we all wish AC1 Would just get a multiplayer rank system to beat out both games
Man. The same thing happens to assetto corsa as it does to rfactor. They have a lot of modded circuits but they can't use them due to lack of licenses
I have to say I love your humor, absolutely hillarious! Would love to see a bigger audience for rf2, as its my main sim.
"Humour" we're English (which is where the language originated) so English spelling only and please, don't mention "Aluminum" or we will get triggered....
iRacing competitor here. I've always felt that rFactor 2 has WAYYY better than handling that iRacing. I also used to find rFactor 2 had better graphics than iRacing, but I think that's because I had a potato for a CPU in the past; I haven't tried rFactor 2 since upgrading my CPU though, so perhaps iRacing would appear better than it now. (iRacing is very CPU heavy) rFactor 2 has always had terrible net code for me; I'm surprised you thought rFactor's was better. Clearly iRacing has a better online system, which is the only real reason I use it.
Even rFactor 2 Dirt Oval is pretty good, and will get better! Even though there is no dynamic surfaces, the moddability, variety, and types are priceless!!
When rFactor2 works its easily better than iRacing where it matters, but it is stil rough around the edges visually and with constancy. The DLC feels and looks very good but most peoples experience will be the old free content. I'm pretty much done with iRacing at this point so I can forgive issues rFactor 2 has as long as the ranked servers are up and running.
Yeah, rookie free content is a little outdated but so fun to drive, i just hope a lop of player don’t stop cause of this, cause in silver it’s mostly DLC and quality is here
Thanks for the video! I think it's a fair assessment. Not sure if you were referring to car sounds when you meant audio, but the 992 cup in RF2 sounds superb. Actually with motion and VR, it's the most immersive sim experience bar none imo.
992 cup in RF2 is just SEXY. Love it
err ams2 better sound better graphics better colour shame its bit to slidey
I'm an iRacing fan, I watched this whilst cooking so my hands were too busy to skip the video so I had no choice to watch the whole thing. I'm now traumatised
Thoughts and prayers
Did your food instantly over cook and have to be thrown away like an iracing race when drivers lean on the tires ?
@@GamerMuscleVideos Yes, which is PARTICULARLY annoying as I get my dinners via a subscription service which puts various random ingredients of wildly differing ages and cuisines into recipes that sometimes make no sense. Cutlery is £12 per knife and fork, and while I don't NEED cutlery, everyone else using this service would look upon me like a peasant if I just ate with my hands.
It's worth noting if you're using a CSL DD run it in CSW 2.5 compatibility mode for a much, much smoother feel. And the recommended PC specs aren't that accurate. My potato PC can run it in 4k at 80-120FPS with decent settings, but make sure to install it on an SSD. New to RF2, absolutely loving it. Mods are a great bonus.
I've installed and uninstalled this game so many times. Every time I see a popular YTer raving about it I install again. And an hour later uninstall. It's rubbish. There is way too much faff to get things working and even then it never feels quite right. Also HF8 feedback pad and buttkicker both don't work properly on RF2.
That's Automobilista 2 for me ;-)
@@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel I love AMS2. Just a shame the multiplayer options are so dire. 😔
iRacing:
Very good game with a very good AI (though not perfect).
Way too expensive to be a reasonable choice and has netcode issues.
Assetto Corsa Competizione:
Good GT3/4 racing, especially with LFM, cheap.
Terrible, horrible force feedback, boring and lifeless AI. Curbs are unrealistically punishing.
Automobilista 2:
Decent AI, though bugged on longer races with pitstops, lots of content, great force feedback.
Almost nobody plays online.
rFactor 2 (I don't own the game, but from what people say):
Good force feedback, good physics.
DLCs are expensive, setting it up is a nightmare, inconsistent quality between content and the AI is also very inconsistent and buggy.
RaceRoom (only tried a little bit of free content):
Lots of content, good AI.
Not many people play online, buying extra content can be very expensive, no rain, bad weather system.
Assetto Corsa:
Good with mods, lots of content. Decent driving experience.
Not much to do, as the AI is generally bad and boring, you can get some multiplayer races on open lobbies but don't expect much competitive racing. Without mods it's almost worthless. Curbs are unrealistically punishing.
TL;DR: If you're a simracer, you can never be happy playing one sim at a time. Or just never be happy in general.
Rf2 have change UI 1 year ago, it’s not more difficult than configure iracing
Subbed just because you don’t mind publicly criticizing iceRacing!
And I started my simming with all the Papyrus sims, my first sim was IndyCar Racing in '94.
They've all been icyRacing. Having just got my first DD though, the one sim I want to try with the DD is Grand Prix Legends, seems properly icy with those hard skinny tires that last 2-3 races.
Userbase sure ain't gonna last if they don't fix the servers.
Yep, its in Studio 397 hands right now, hope they don't ballz it up!
i'm iracer and rf2 racer, iracing is good but it is stressing too, rf2 is pure fun
Trying to love this game. But some cars don't have any force feedback and feel really floaty. Impossible to drive, while other cars feel amazing. No idea what to change in settings, as already used online guides to set up.
Agreed - I noticed that with some cars on rFactor 2 the connection to the track feeling isn't there at all - such as the BMW M2 - but with others it feels great - such as with this Radical. Getting my FFB dialled in correctly has been a bit of a nightmare!
Agree which is also what he mentions aswell that the game is not user friendly when setting up the wheel and such compared to iracing.
The problem is not your settings, but the car itself. rFactor2 is amazing, but one of its negative points is the inconsistency of content. As a rule of thumb, the DLC cars are top notch, but even with those cars you will find difference in FFB feeling (none of them are bad, but some are better than others). Now if we talk about workshop content, its no mans land. A handful of them are actually good, with the remaining being divided between ok'ish, bad and terrible. And that also includes the workshop content of S397 and image space inc. (which some people consider to be official lol).
To be safe, drive the DLC, or be prepared to get disappointed half of the time.
Hi @@adolfobisi6027 thanks a lot for breaking that down. I thought I was doing something wrong on my end with certain cars and it was starting to drive me mad!
Very different cars will behave very differently. You have to get used to that. But if you don't like it you can always increase the FFB multi in the session for that car, assuming your wheel driver software isn't the issue. I think this is one of the key differences most people coming from other games have to face. Not all cars are created equally and thus feel different.
Still got ptsd from rf2 beta. Wanted to tweak drivers in the mod like I did in rf1 but sadly I didn't have phd in quantum field theory.
Dude. I thought I was the only one with PTSD lol
I've probably got 10,000+ plus hours in iRacing, and maybe only 100 in rFactor 2, but I know rFactor 2 is a far better sim. In 2023, I can barely tolerate iRacing's graphics, and rFactor's is a small step down even from that, but the main reason I still race in iRacing is the obvious one; it's just so easy to get in a race with other humans.... but I'm interested to see what rFactor can accomplish with the new systems they've implemented this month.
iR fans left before opening teh link (:
Nope, they watched it for sure.
They are addicted to being annoyed constantly by something they can't part with looking at how much they invested.
Iracing costs way too much. This is the reason I haven't been on iracing for about 3 years or so. I have close to 200 tracks and over 100 cars for rFactor 2 and I haven't spent very much money for any of it. Maybe a hundred dollars i've spent in 8 years for rfactor 2
Ive always enjoyed rf2 over iracing and ACC. Been getting races in at 4am here in the US ever since the online feature went live. Wish the servers were open 24 hrs
Been really enjoying the rants lately on the commute to work. Very similar opinions, I'm curious do you spend much time modding on Assetto still?
I've quite enjoyed the MASSIVE graphics updates on CSP,SoL,Pure that make driving 30 cars down Pacific Union at sunset wicked fun or take a bunch of modded cars down LA canyons for a 20 minutes of bumper to bumper cruising\weaving with maxed graphics and still getting 120-200fps. I'm shocked. It's still so good...
..ruins me for other titles when I'm like ye but I feel like I'm looking at real driving in AC now everything else looks dated.. which is funny cuz it's the oldest title I play ?? Thank you Ac community ❤ haha ramble done. Cheers on the great takes - tea clinks
Yeah all the stuff with content manager is the most difficult one to get set up properly but once it all comes together it's beautiful. It's such a versatile platform and it's the only place where you can enjoy all kinds of content from stock little hatchbacks to formula cars and everything in between. AC is the GOAT for drifting and also unmatched for track days or open road cruising.
Althoug I really like the racing in ACC and RF2
Entré al canal para informarme sobre simracing y salgo de él a plena carcajada. Un tipo brillante.
id love to know how great this sim is but i can not get passed the final boss (the setup menu). triple screen setup seems to be challenge and dont get me started on the button layout
I Couldn't agree more with this, I wanted to try out RF2 as i have heard amazing things about the handling but running Triples and also mismatching gear (SC2 Pro, VRS Pedals, Cube Wheel) seems to be almost impossible to get it to run smoothly and easily without it feeling like utter garbage, lets hope for both our sake they can somehow figure out a setup menu
Go to your rfactor2 files and change your resolution there for triple screens, there is a video on TH-cam on how to do it
@@terrysearle2633
I’ve seen some but it’s crazy how we got to watch a tutorial for simple things for this game.
I started playing rFactor 2 on my Logitech 935 series and was blown away with FFB. Moved to Fanatec and its even better. Lots of little bugs here and there with FFB that start to grind and I loose my FFB settings from time to time...
Other than the bugs its my favorite Sim for now. AI is also pretty good also quite good.
Long Live To The King rFactor2!
Keep up the Great Work Studio 397
6:22 my man you liturally caused that accident hahaha
Was a back marker losing it on curb , honest govna
The comment about “there goes half the audience” was fucking hilarious! I couldn’t agree with you more on the physics. Why can’t iracing people take criticism? I have pretty much every racing sim and game and play them for what they are.
In this case it’s understandable. In rf2 the fastest way to drive is to fully drift it round. I’m all for having an interplay with the car but rfactor 2 isn’t that,it’s just loosening the car as much as you can in the setup and holding on for dear life as the thing drifts round every corner
Iracing for me as someone who’s tested a few single seaters and a few ginetta gt cars,is very realistic until you’re very very far over the limit. I despise this impression in sim racing that cars somehow save themselves miles over the limit,they don’t. They have a point slightly over where you’ll be correcting the car and anything over that you’ll be spinning locking up etc etc. Rfactor 2 doesn’t factor this in.
That’s not to say iracing is flawless,one of my main gripes is the way it handles lock ups. In a real car generally when you let off the brakes during a lock up the car will push on straight but the locked wheel will stop locking. In iracing you can be off the brakes and even on the throttle and you can still hear see and feel the wheel locking.
@@willyoung6858 lol "Very far over the limit"
Sure RF2 is super drifty and overly slidy in meta. But iRacing the cars totally brake down on the limit they litrally don't support countersteer properly everything the driver does has to be premptive and ahead of it happening which requires you to trile and error the specific fail conditions for each corner.
Fastest way to drive in iracing revolves around memorising set specific wheel angles for each corner , it's the antithesis of "driving"
If real cars were like iracing half the grid would be dead in 5 laps.
The lock up and grip not returning behaviour is also reflected with lateral grip tires don't spring back and bite back anything like real tires.
iracing is insane with how tires heat up then get stuck over limit with grip not returning fast as it does in almost all situations with real cars , which is presumably why iracing are re working the tire model.
Just go to centrifugal track and pop rear out and catch it or even get into a mild slide , the way you countersteer and how car responds is nothing like a real car it's so unhinged.
AC1 is by far the closest to getting a tire and how tires behave right though , AMS1 and Race room also have cars that are ballenced and generally drive like real cars even if each of those SIMs still have issues and weird grip levels
@@GamerMuscleVideos none of them are perfect. However at least from my experience,iracing in the right cars,and I stress right cars because this is crucial for judging any game,has good behaviour on the limit. I also stress on the limit,as irl if you push enough over the limit you will spin or lock up,which in the right cars iracing replicates well.
Rfactor on the other hand,is too slidey in virtually every car,and when trying to drive quick at least to me is frustrating because it’s simply too easy there’s no challenge to it in my view.
@@GamerMuscleVideos moreover,in the top split races I do no one spins. This suggests that in the nicest way possible it’s a skill issue. Like let’s be real,pro drivers don’t die in 5 laps because they’re simply pro drivers,put 30 plebs in any car irl and the entire grid would be dead within 5 laps.
I also find your point about tyre temp strange,as usually for me in the cars I drive on iracing the Tempe return to normal after a long straight between corners
In rf2 U can be fast 1 lap by drifting, but u can’t do a 40minutes races like that, tire will punish you
Having a blast with the new multiplayer, Iracing subscription is on hold right now.
there is a push to talk key binding in rfactor2 so i would assume that voice is in the works. I had Iracing for a couple of years and since the new rf2 online started i haven't touched iracing.
I’m one of those idiots who have been with iracing since the last beta. I’ve never liked the tire model, even through all the variations. There’s been so many they stoped adding a # too them. A race car you’re suppose to push it, hustle the car when you need to. Iracing you get to about 95% and if you lose it, it’s the slow lazy death spin. I’ve had rf2 for about two months. It’s not to hard to set up. The new system to grind up so you can race what you want, that’s not really exciting, mostly because I’m a league guy. Finding a league isn’t easy either. I was hoping Rennsport would capitalize on all the sims through the years, learn from their mistakes and bring out a banger( is that a British slang)sim. One last thing, some of the rf2 tracks look like ass. I normally am about apex’s and physics but some are so ugly it’s distracting lol
Porque são os conteúdos antigos. As novas DLC,s são de excelência.
I agree with everything stated here. I paused my iRacing subscription until this either dies (by way of no one playing it) or iRacing allows me to own the $500+ worth of content I bought, without having to pay a monthly fee (spoiler: this will NEVER happen).
Lets not forget an unsung hero. Raceroom...
Raceroom was my first and favourite of the lot.
Just wish there was a population willing to do a race outside of rookie.
@@jamesbryant8133 it has been better lately I think. But I agree. It's sad that 90% is on private servers
I bought the entire dlc collection recently but have only done 3 official races so far, hope they get the uses base they deserve.
*Grabs planet-size bag of popcorn for the inevitable...* ;)
Filled swimming pool with Popcorn
iRacing only looks better than rF2 becuase they finally got rid of the obligatory for 2005-2010 game piss filter white balance. Took them way too long but better than never for a game you spend 87 trillion dollars on.
Why being on a mission to make every car have the same FFB response? One of the beauties of rFactor 2 is that cars really handle and feel different. Why try to kill that? Some cars will have a lighter wheel while in other it'll be heavier, so what?
Congratulation! Very honest video. There are some interesting points I hadn't heard of before.
Glad you like it but my experience has not been yours, has potential though let’s see what they roll out, I’ll be following
It's hilarious watching a Race in Iracing. Seeing cars spear off the track at right angles because the driver has absolutely no idea what the car is doing.
Another great video with some “Witt” thrown in! Rf2 is awesome for ffb and something you didn’t mention is the tire model, simply amazing, take care of them or you’ll be vibrating like a girl’s “bob” 😆! Thanks for sharing w us!
And it punish over driving in long race
RF2 feels more real. I don’t care for graphics and I must say the sense of speed they NAILED it.
Also, AMS2 just got a mod of the dallara Indycar and it’s pretty cool but not even close to RF2 dallara.
Ams2 indycar windshield needs effects it’s like it’s not even there. Also the steering wheel is too close to the Firewall. The drivers finger clips through the switch.
Thanks for the comparison between the two games. I never joined IRacing because having a monthly subscription and I I did not want to forced into spending all my time and efforts in making any progress in one game. I am a courteous online driver, but watching some of the you tube videos, feel the people are too serious and short fused on IRacing. I like the other games such as RFactor 2, RaceRoom, etc where racing is not so strenuous and don't charge monthly fees.
Reading another comment, Correct me if I am wrong, IRacing if you quit the subscription, we loose all the content that was acquired during membership. My other games I have one time purchased from STEAM, I can use them any time and there are no additional periodic fees that are needed.
Anyway, thanks for the video and take care.
You can only access your account and content if you have an active paid subscription.
Reason why Rfactor 2 never clicked with me is because it never worked for me. I've put 30 hours into it, and 20-25 hours of that was trying to get the screen stutters to stop, which they haven't and I've given up on.
It's UI is also far more complicated than pretty much every other sim out there. Iracing and most sims are pretty much just click and play, this one is a pain in the backside to do anything
If rF2 wasn't such a massive pain to set up and if I didn't have to pray that my game would actually run and not crash due to some arcane mod I have going on, I would definitely be playing it a lot more now that it has the new multiplayer.
tens of thousands of people have gotten their copies of rf2 up and running with their setup just fine... Why can't you?
@@papalennyYou say that as if it’s not well-known that rF2 is a pain in the ass to work with and sometimes even buggy.
Nice reactionary block @1:19
Yah I moved back over after 🤣 I misjudged the timing 🚔🚨
Refreshing to see something this honest and very true. Kudos from a girl who wonders where you nice people all are while she's dodging degenerate buffoons.
rf2 masterrace
FFB and tyre wise its brilliant
I see the incoming messages of people saying, that iracing isn´t as expensive as everybody else in the world says, because you get a couple of dollars back, when you race every race of a season.
Yeah, the problem is you have to buy tracks to do that.
Spend 50 bucks, get 5 bucks back....win win 😂😂😂
@@ivanfojan8859 100 Percent correct. :D
Bless your TEA Drinking Heart for this video- this is the place to get it straight👍
I really dont see it.
I dispise rf2. Iv tried it so many times and promptly purgd it from hard drive with half a hour.
I dunno, maybe theres some magic in the settings i need to fiddle with.
When content creators start praising rf2 im constantly asking myself "are we playing the same game here?".
What puts me off RF2 is how long it takes to load a track....it's as if they don't take advantage of the users ram and are still trying to shoehorn everything into a 4gb ram stick.
The whole user experience, to get into a race, is simply awful and it just doesn't seem to get any better, but once you're in, the driving feels great.
iRacing, or iRenting as I prefer to call it, is not even worth considering unless you're going to put a LOT of time into it.
I had three different accounts, so I could jump back in for the 3 months for 5 dollars for new users.
The last time I decided to buy some content. After spending about £150 I decided to bail as it was a constant money pit. You should either pay a subscription or pay for content,
not both.
iRenting fan boys always fall back on playing either the free content, which is fine if you're happy with that. I wasn't and wanted to race GT3.
Their second fall back position is the fabled "participation credit" scam, failing to mention that you have to complete 75% of a season to qualify and guess what?? You will need to buy
some tracks to be able to complete the season....unless you want to race just the free content.
It's a horrible, punitive and extremely costly system.
I really liked your apple comparison cos most apple users are also brainless and like things because they are "shiny"....
I'm playing the new Forza at the moment and really enjoying it.
Great video once again mate, go and have a nice cuppa and relax, lol.
There is one downside for rF2, one must have a powerful PC, otherwise it won't work well. Best.
Runs beautifully on my 6 year old computer at medium graphics at 1440P. I also have it running at greater than 60fps on a 12 year old computer on the lowest graphic setting. I don't think many games can do that.
@@racingsimaddicts7563 I’m upgrading to a newer PC tomorrow because my current one with an 11 year old GPU and CPU can only run iRacing on low settings, ACC is pretty bad and rF2 is unplayable with like 25 fps at low settings lol.
@@racingsimaddicts7563 Now run it on tripple 1440p.
I have a gaming laptop, i7, GTX1650, SSD and just 8gb ram. Still rf2 runs pretty good in medium.
i had three mirrors in RF2 ... how to get the single mirror ? If it's a mod does anyone know what it is ? ? ?
As a 10 year + 'iRacer' I got RF2 the other day and did a few practices with the M2 at Limerock a track I've done a million laps at in iRacing in the MX5....initial thoughts were the gfx and definition of the track/kerbs iRacing wins 100%. The handling....undoubtedly in RF2 you can just grab a car and drive it without crashing, it's just far more forgiving, that said in the M2 for example it feels floaty and just drifts everywhere not sure it feels like the wheels are in contact with the road. IRL I have a Focus mk3 RS (not a race car and arguably not even a great road car) if it drove like the M2 in RF2 I would think the wheels hadn't been bolted on properly. That said I could certainly say the same about many cars in iRacing because they can be so unforgiving. In short I prefer iRacing altho I equally hate it due to the constant feeling of been robbed
I like rf2 but i have same experience. Something feels wrong. It also drives completely differently than m2 in ACC
Hello there, driver coach for the M2 Cup Germany here, the update for the M2 was actually done with our feedback from drivers, engineers and our head coach. ACCs M2 doesn't really have anything to do with the M2 Cup in real life, the M2 in rF2 is definitely the closest thing we have so far. It's not 100% accurate yet, mainly it misses a bit of power cause when the M2 Cup was launched it had 350hp and by now our Cup drives with 365 and got a bit of weight removed, but the general handling is quite good already
@@NiHi557 Feedback from drivers engineers etc. unfortunately doesn't directly translate to more realistic driving experience and the state of that car shows it. It slides all over the place. I feel like I am driving a shopping cart.
@@disturbed1787 at high speed the car is generally understeer, but when you start putting the throttle down hard, the rear will go around, you have to drive the car carefully. If you go over the limit you can still catch it, but you will obv lose a lot of time
@@NiHi557 Thanks but I know how to drive. Car still acts like shopping cart even on a rubbered in track and warmed up tires.
I got into it with the official rfactor page on twitter and they suggested I don't play their game so I'm taking them up on that 😂
What is the HUD you are using? The little car condition graphic looks cool AF.
immaculate video, I hope the iRacers don't find your IP address
I drive only in rF2 and never have problems
Great vid, how about online racing on rf2? I have limited free random time slots to race, would I be able to just hop on an online race?
dude have you playe iracing at all in the past couple months........ it has gotten way different... its just better now 100 percent
You are talking to a 5k iracing legend , and I have multiple thousands of hours in iracing having done months of 10-15 hour a day live streams in iracing this year.
No it's not gotten different it has the same physics issues it's always had , that are masked a bit by making cars even more sloppy.
Grass grip is the only substantial change.
Tire model is nowhere near as good as RF2,AMS1,AC and never had been.
They are working on new tires to fix the well known issues they have of wheels not working like wheels at the limit.
I still think iRacing has the edge in brake feel. It’s the game that feels the most organic. However, rf2 has superb ABS feel! You can really ride the threshold to stop the ABS from kicking in, since you can actually feel it through the wheel. If iRacing had this same feedback, the brake feel would be well clear of all sims.
Are you insane ?
Iracing tires don't even support realistic braking because if you lock up the tires stay stuck over the limit where as real tires generally just snap back right away.
With non abs cars in iracing you can litrally set brake to 68-75% with a top cut and use that to be at track pace with little to no risk of binning it which gives a massive advantage over players that get stuck in slides from braking a fraction too hard.
Then as for feel of braking both iracing rf2 are quite pore.
AMS2 with custom ffb can be ok in that regard but AC1 is by far the closest to real tires and with most detailed FFB , it's not even close.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I agree with the odd tire behaviour after a lockup. But until that point, the brakes feel really good. As far as I can tell, the actual input, at least for GT3’s and prototypes, is pretty accurate compared to real life telemetry. Drivers barely ever hit 100% pressure, and even if they do, it’s always for a fraction of a second until they trail off. ACC has the poorest brake feel, whist AC can vary depending on the car. AMS2 still has some work to do
@@GamerMuscleVideos not anymore. I can modulate from a lockup.
This is weird to me because rF2 has the absolute best FFB feedback that tells you what the tires are doing under braking. It's almost telepathic how good it is and knowing right when the tires are on the edge of lockup. It's one of the strongest plusses I've found in rF2 over every other sim so far.
Great video as always James! Im sorry to say though the ffb in the BMW cup car u get for signing up is horrible. I cant get it to work. I have the Moza r9. I changed the file to 9 like videos have said and tried everyones ffb settings and its awful. The tatus f4 i got to work fine though. Not sure if its just that car though
Not sure how people spend hundreds of dollars a year in iRacing. I only bought what I was actually going to use and I knew I was going to use so I've been pretty frugal with that. I typically only mass bought tracks when sales happened as well and NOT cars because again, I'm not going to buy a car I'm not going to use yet.
Because the service is designed to make people spend hundreds.
It's mostly the cost of tracks , if you want to race anything outside of rookies.
How's the experience in VR and with a Motion rig like?
There's a few little things that seems ridiculous that i can't get over. How is there not a hotkey to lower and increase FFB while in car? How is there no FFB meter to perfectly tune it? How is there no option to turn real mirrors off and only run a virtual mirror? I honestly gave up in the first 10 minutes when i found stuff like that out and just went back to iRacing.
Isso. Lugar de criança é no iRacing. Ou vai pro Grant Turismo. Seu lugar é em "joguinho" de corrida.😂😂
GM, do a comparison between the dallara of ams2 vs RF2
iRacing or any sim only can be judged who raced them but they would only get a feeling from real racing on which it is in the Sim it's still good anyway.
tried it yesterday in VR with my Pimax 8kx for about 2mins and thought it looked like shit, like a PS2 game.
The feeling is indeed amazing. The graphics are ok. The base content is rubbish and the DLC is too expensive. But my main gripe with this game is how volatile it is regarding the overall configuration process.
8BTCC cars and 4 track 30€ formula pro Spa, Monza Nurb and Nords 19€, realy too expensive? Wait for sales and buy pack is the best way, i’ve all the content for 170€, it take me 1year 😅
Base content rubbish??? Did u look into steam workshop free content?
@@ducat7493 The official base content is rubbish. I wasn't talking about mods. And yes I think the DLC is too expensive.
I still enjoy Race Room Experience the most of them all
Telemetry output is also quite different between the two. rFactor2 is limited to 60hz. iRacing buffers to 360Hz.
This is a big difference when it comes to haptics, specially with laser scanned tracks.
Can vouch for this!
Love rfactor2 much more as iracing and now rfactor2 has the new online ranked system.
I didn't watch the video but Rfactor is a serious pain in the d to get working correctly. Always some issue, car sounds not working correctly, UI is still confusing, can't see what cars you are driving pre race, almost broke my wrist at the start of a race when the game decided to go full lock in a straight line, pedals not working intermittently.
But when the game works its really great, just so god damn inconsistent its not worth the time unfortunately.
If you want to sim race at any hour in almost any discipline and compete with drivers closer to your own skill set, then IRacing wins hands down. It’s not even a close comparison.
I raced nearly every other sim before moving to Iracing. I made the choice for 1 reason. More players racing at any given time of day 24/7/365z
If that is not your gig, then Iracing is a poor investment.
The comparison between sims is just that. A comparison.
I loved every sim I spent time on. They all have positive and negative.
If you desire online competition, then Iracing IS the pinnacle.
If you just wanna have fun, then there are several sims to play. If you desire top online racing, then there are no other sims to consider.
Comments about Iracing crash physics made herein, then GamerMuscle you have not picked up Iracing since the last update. You should give it a shot.
They all have positives and negatives , a big negative of iracing is the cars don't allow you to drive as you would an actual car , which is fine for a game but a bit of an issue for a sim.
No real car I have been in has been like iracing not a single one. Radical SR3 , Aston Martin GT4 , Airal atom , Toyota Celica , multiple rental karts. And no tire I have driven in real life , slick , road , cut slick has driven like iracing at the point the car is being pushed at all.
No SIM is an investment, iracing can be a fun does have some good points but the tire model and netcode are terrible.
They are working on tires though and at least they fixed grass after 5 years of complaining which has already made races much cleaner and more fun.
5k iracer BTW so I'm basically simracing jusus.
Simracing 'Jezza'!@@GamerMuscleVideos
What car and track are shown in the video?
Uso VR no rF2 (Quest2). Acho ótimo. Só os espelhos que são difíceis de regular. Coisa que nos outros simuladores, quase não precisa.
I've never played anything other than AC and ACC so I'm not biased towards neither iRacing nor rFactor 2. With that in mind I really don't understand why some people like simulators that are more "forgiving" than others. It's a simulator so it should in theory simulate real world conditions. In that regard I'm more interested in the opinions of someone who drives real racing cars for a living than opinions of random sim racers on the web or casual track day drivers. If a professional race driver tells me iRacing is more realistic than rFactor 2, then I'd prefer iRacing over rFactor 2 because I want to experience the challenge of real racing as much as possible. I don't care if one is more "forgiving" than the other, they're called racing simulators for a reason, so I expect a simulator to be as close as possible to the real experience.
Someone would have to be a very bad real world driver to not notice iracings huge tire model issue.
I still find iRacing the best in every aspect compared to rf2. But in saying that rf2 is still fun to play around with and will definitely be giving the new online system a proper crack
1, We have saying in Finland that u dont't show unfinished product to a lunatic or a superior. Deside which you are.. ;-)
2. The newer rf2 contents graphics are too notch. I think old ones are on par or better than iracing. I put raceroom and iracing in same category by graphics, iracing is just yellow and raceroon blue
Funny video. I dont play either, just acc and dirt 2.0. Subscribed.
I have a moza r5 and no matter what i do i cant get it feeling right at all. if rfactor2 had more support id give it another go but its so buggy for me.
Good vid good info and a good sense of humor too mate ….all day sim ( no life at all)😂…greetsss
I think that if people analize any sim's physics apart from iracing they would find twice as much bugs and flaws in the physics in half the time. Iracing is far from perfect, but people tend to hate too much without even thinking about it. For example: rf2 has flatspots simulated and Iracing does not. Ok, it's rf2 flatspot model really accurate? Nobody even cares. Well, if Iracing simulated that, it would be something deeeeply analyzed and criticized.
My own opinion, of course.
Absolutely agree in car contact physics, it‘s much better feeling in rF2.
a small bump at 6.20 and the car behind spears off and kills someone. Same shit different service
Im not expertise but with almost 2 years in Iracing, Force Feedback in rFactor2 is very far away better than Iracing. PERIOD!!!
I’m probably going to be converted 😮😊
did you forget to say that car sound is way better in RF2 imho?
It's hard for me to consider voice chat a needed feature. It adds nothing for me to listen to people argue.
It adds everything ! 👌
I have been trying to move to RF2 from Race o7 but the total lack of reality in the setup makes it a kiddie game. I've tried , really I have but my heavily moded Race07 is just far better physics and more fun to drive along with 400 cars and 300 tracks all for free. PS Oh I nearly forgot . the car gets out of the pits too^^. I have Automobalista 2 as well . that's just rubbish, Race Room looks and feels ok but I'm not paying for every track and car. I haven't tried I racing , again it's a money thing.
I'm sold... im sticking with iRacing.. lol
Don't forget about mitch yoher
Body parts on track... what is this? Carmageddon? :D
At some point I may actually have to download rF2 - I've heard nothing good about the UI which is why I've always steered clear.
They change UI 1 or 2 years ago, for a sim it’s not too hard to setup the 1st time, it take me 2hours looking tuto, after that it’s 100% pleasure 😊
I was just thinking we were due for a GamerMuscle winge about iRacing. I'm not going to argue with most of your points, but please stop with the whole "iRacing doesn't let you push the car or go over the limit in a recoverable way" BS. That was true a few years ago, but has improved dramatically since then to the point where it's simply not true anymore. It's like you have some kind of PTSD from it and just can't let it go. Like a Nam vet who still thinks Charlie is coming through the wire. That said, I still love your content, even if it rubs my iRacing fanboy-ness the wrong way at times. And I'll admit, it keeps me at least somewhat objective and gets me to try other sims. So, cheers!
IceRacing never changes
No it's still messed up , new cars still have the same issues.
So no it's not BS
Iracing are also working on a new tire model so I guess that's for nothing.
When iracing fixes it's tire model iracers will have a mental brake down , as it simply won't drive at all like iracing anymore.
drive the super formula. iceRacing is still a hardcore thing in 2023 with new content. Drive the caddy dpi... Drive just about any high DF car on that service. Either you aren't pushing these cars to the limit yourself or you are delusional.
@@papalenny I do drive the Super Formula and I've just switched from the P217 to the LMDh for endurance races. The Super Formula slides around about as much as you'd expect. If you have good throttle control, it's definitely recoverable. But if you don't back off when it starts to go, it's definitely going to snap around, just like it would IRL. I haven't driven the LMDh enough to say, but I have a lot of hours in the P217, and it's the same way. You can get it a little out of line, but if you go too far, or don't have very fast and accurate throttle control, you're probably going to at least lose some time. How much do you think you should be able get out of line with these cars? They are not designed or set up to drift around. High downforce cars are made to be steered with the throttle, and you're delusional if you think they should be. You guys just want every car to make you look like a driving god, and sorry, but you are not. I'd bet everything I own if we put you in these cars IRL, and there's no way you'd be able to control them like you think you should be able to.
R-Factor 2 has always been good. Fight me
Silver opinion