FFXIV Lore- Understanding Limit Breaks
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Lore wise we have a perfect reason to start having dynamis based villains, events, or research. With Zodiark gone, his primary function of inhibiting the effects of dynamis on Eatheris, we are bound to see more overt expressions of the energy.
I mean, we already have elidibus throwing LB4 at us. Whats next? LB5??
i just read that and my brain went "SHIT"
good catch friend
I don't know, the fact that Meteion turned good again, and is basically an ultimate force of Dynamis and is seen flying around as a blue bird during the ending credits, makes me think that she's kind of a guardian of dynamis. If she was powerful enough to create Elysion, I'm sure she's powerful enough to prevent Dynamis from going haywire.
@@Dhalin Given she isn't aided by her sisters now...I have my doubts. Besides, worlds that naturally are potent in Dynamis aren't unheard of and existed prior to Meteion so it's more plausible for Dynamis-based villains to emerge.
I think that fully depends on whether or not they are an entelechy.
I think the bigger thing connecting dynamis to limit breaks would be a line given in the level 87 area by an important npc if the Warrior of Light says 'I have been known to push past my limits from time to time' and the npc suggests that such can be an effect of dynamis.
In the final trial fight (this may have been a coincidence) when one of my party members used lb3 the boss said at that exact moment "huh? Is this... Dynamis?!" It blew my mind. I should run it again and see if it gets replicated 😆
@@creely she does, yes. When the lb3 is used to survive the raid wipe, she says something along the lines of 'Dnaymis?! No matter...' before recasting the raid wipe
@@loneblade201 reading that gave me goosebumps because I know what happens next. Lol. A small effect of dynamis.
The WHM limit break always leaves me feeling a little sad, but also happy that they took the time to reference her.
And just like the reference material, the WHM casting it will be subsequently struck down more often than not, by some AoE or nuther, leaving the WHM the only one dead.
I haven't played a lot of FF games. What is the reference? Is it FFVII?
@@ellaworth6696 Yeah, Aeris's death scene. Same pose, etc.
@@Dhalin A small price to pay for a raid completion
@@Dhalin spoiler warning please
my personal theory isn't that Dynamis powers a limit break, but its what lets us temporarily breaks our mortal limits, like, we have a barrier that protects us from getting overwhelmed by that gathered aether, but with enough adrenaline and raised emotion during battle dynamis lets us pierce that barrier to access such a monumental torrent of aether to power the limit break.
That's also precisely how monk gains so much power without the use of a weapon. Except they sustain that almost all the time.
this is exactly what i have in mind
And then there’s the Mandevilles, who just have no limiter whatsoever.
I'm just absolutely in love with the Astrologian LB3. If you ever get the chance to see it, make sure you position your camera right above your character. The LB3 effect is gorgeous when viewed from the side, but there's a gorgeous effect when viewed from above as well!
"Goal of all life is death", I get that reference
Ayyy someone got that Sigmund Freud connection!
Counterpoint: Dynamis has always had an effect on how we perform not only Limit Breaks, but most of our abilities to begin with.
A Tank LB is a fervent desire to protect their allies to the utmost of their ability.
A Healer LB is a fervent desire and plea to bring their friends back from the bring, and save them from oblivion.
A DPS LB is a fervent desire to destroy their enemy utterly, to prevent them from doing any further harm to them and their friends.
A buff is a stimulation of the aether in someone through a desire to push themselves further than their normal limits.
A Bard's repertoire involves them singing unto the masses, stimulating the aether and dynamis around them to bolster them and their allies.
Further, the summoning of a primal involves a full belief that you wish for whatever you hope to summon comes into being. Aether would coalesce, yes, but it is your belief, the Dynamis in the surrounding area, that brings that belief into form.
To say Dynamis has nothing to do with the WoL's abilities is folly. The introduction of Dynamis has changed literally everything we understand about Aether and its properties and how we interact with the world in general, and how it responds in kind.
True, now that has been introduced it's foolish to say Dynamis has no influence on anything. But the idea that it has changed literally everything? I feel that's an exaggeration. Everything pre-Endwalker was explainable by aether, and that's still the case. Remember, whatever role Dynamis does serve in our world has been so minor that it went unnoticed for thousands of years. Even the Ancients barely understood it, and they were much further ahead than any current civilization.
@@SynodicScribe I suspect the effect dynamis has on the abilities documented is a minor but important one. For limit breaks, it’s possible Dynamis is the force that allows the collective wishes and emotions of those present to draw in the required Aether in the first place. And as some spells would take inhuman mastery to calculate normally, it’s possible that Dynamis helps subtly keep the desperate spells held together as their casters perform the incantations, arcane geometry, and other such requirements. Seeing as how Aether and Dynamis do have some measurable effects on each other, Dynamis may be the missing ingredient for why the will of the living is able to direct and shape Aether based on one’s mere whims. Seeing as how the first spells were those born from prayer, and how Primals were themselves sustained by prayer it’s possible that Dynamis provides some form of force behind thought, affecting creation in subtle ways.
@@SynodicScribe well if you think about it that's what dynamis is, an exaggeration.
@@SynodicScribe Except that it *hasn't* gone unnoticed. It's mentioned explicitly as Akasa by the alchemist in thavnair. It's poorly understood, due in no small part to lack of study, but its existence is known. As far as the Ancients are concerned, remember that they have even less ability to interact with it than we do, due to their vastly higher aetheric densities.
@@SynodicScribe Everything pre-helio-centric was easily explainable by earth-centric models.... Just because we "had answers" before doesnt mean those answers could not be wrong in part or in whole.
Also to say that its "new" or "now that its been introduced" is... flawed, because that comes across as looking at it as if its some ass-pull idea to explain the latest expansion at the last minute. But, if you look at the MSQ as a whole, and go back years, you see that the threads of the story leading us to where we are now, have always been there (in part or in whole). Meaning, "dynamis" was almost assuredly a concept the writers had YEARS before endwalker, and was factored into various aspects of the story without explicitly telling us about it
Just because it wasnt spelled out for us, and because we didnt understand it or know about it, doesnt mean it wasnt there having an impact we just didnt know about, nor that our explanations for whats happening in some aspects cant be wrong. "we're just channeling/sucking up the aether from all the battling going on" (which btw yshtola even remarks at the end of the heros gauntlet dungeon about "wreaking havoc on the ambient aether [making it more difficult for our enemies to follow us as we press on to the crystarium]" which implies the aether would be in flux or distorted and difficult to just "gather and use" at will, especially for some massive attack/spell, which is likely how it would be w/ the aether on/around any battlefield) or "in a heated emotional moment in battle we're tapping into a power source we arent aware is there, and are then later trying to explain it using what knowledge of aether we have already" ... which of those sounds like a more plausible explanation for whats going on?
Finally, as far as your explanation about "how the ancients barely understood it" and how "its role is so minor!" Well first, remember its explained the ancients would have had basically zero ability to even be effected by dynamis due to their quantity of aether in each person... and to put into context just how much a difference we're talking about here... we're sundered souls with fractions of their aether, and even the WoL who at this point has 8/14ths of the soul of Azem presumably is STILL referred to as being closer to a familiar or construct than they are an ancient, so even over half a soul we're not even close to their level of corporeal aether. Which is ALSO why we're more readily able to tap into dynamis, use it, and it effect us. While its role may have been reduced due to zodiarks shroud, that doesnt mean it was zero. Dynamis, explained by hermes and as shown in the MSQ, is a much more vast amount of energy and as we saw is completely capable of smothering aether completely without zodiarks shroud, therefore its easy enough to conclude that the extent we could see dynamis on the source would be temporary power boosts in intensely emotional moments.... it would also explain the WoL being describe at multiple times as not using their full strength except in certain situations or moments, someone who is able to freely tap into dynamis in those intense moments of emotion, but you have to really be amped up to do it, so its not that we just "hold back," its that we have to truly care about something to be invested enough to have strong enough feelings to tap into dynamis, even zenos recognizes this indirectly.
So, yes, its entirely within the realm of expectations that dynamis was always there, both "lore wise" currently, and because the writers intended it to be there, and its entirely within expectations that we would be using it without knowing it and since we didnt know about it we'd look to other explanations for what was going on with things like limit breaks. Its even mentioned as a valid explanation during the MSQ when we first see the elpis flowers in elpis and we're asked if we've ever tapped into dynamis, and one of our answers is about breaking our limits during battle....
So yeah, just because we had AN answer before, doesnt mean it was the right answer. Just because dynamis is newly introduced in the story, doesnt mean it wasnt IN the story for years for the people actually writing it. And just because the ancients couldnt use it, and zodiarks shroud reduced its effects, doesnt mean that we couldnt have easily been tapping into it this whole time and just coming up with other explanations for what we were doing in battle.
Not trying to be a dynamis fanboy or w/e you wanna call it. I'm just pointing out that your assumptions are flawed and your arguments have holes in them. It dynamis, it could be aether... it doesnt really matter, I'm still going to go blind everytime the RDM limit breaks, and its still just a video game. Its fun to think about, and talk about I suppose, but ultimately it IS just a mechanic in a video game put in place because "limit breaks" have been a staple of the FF series for decades now and so of course ff14 was going to have limit breaks as well, no matter what the story ended up being.
My belief is that an LB is a successful symbiosis of Aether and Dynamis. I agree on the concept of the buildup of Aether as the primary brute force of the LB, but I think Dynamis is the focuser of that massive energy, the thing that makes the LB the type that it is.
Dynamis, being rooted in emotions of the user and influenced by their desire in that moment, is the inspiration for how the LB plays out, utilizing the massive store of Aether in its usage.
If I was to use a non-FFXIV analogy like a Green Lantern, Aether is the Lantern's power battery, and Dynamis the power ring. The ring itself lets the user manifest whatever their imagination/emotions desire, but it is dependant on the power the ring has stored up from drawing from the power battery to unleash it properly.
I'd like to think that the dynamis' role is more of a trigger to execute LB than empowering it.
It should be noted, Nidhana says foreign scholars often conflate aether and Akasha (Dynamis). Given that, it's very much possible that the Encyclopedia Eorzea is in fact wrong about the nature of Limit breaks. And given how one would have to go about researching such a thing as an LB (taking an aethrometer onto a live battle field to get in depth readings? YIKES!) it's likely that they are merely making the most educated guesses they can.
I like to imagine that, game mechanics aside, if you were a real person in Eorzea using an LB, you could manipulate it in different ways instead of just doing the same technique every time. Like, a real Dark Knight could direct all of that raw darkness to an offensive force of spikes or a maelstrom of cutting shadows, or a Warrior could put all that raw strength into a massive strike on an enemy rather than on the ground, etc. Just another example of game mechanics limiting (heh) the application of otherwise malleable abilities and powers I suppose
Monk could reasonably do a Ranged LB3 type of attack. Instead of charing the energy in their fist for a massive punch, channl the energy and fire it forward like a Kamehameha. Still perfectly in line with their lore of manipulating Chakra/Ki/Energy
@@Knuckx117 Hell, it could just be an empowered state where so much aether is flowing through the body that any strike you do is at a force and speed so great it does shockwaves(like the single target chakra spender, don't remember what it's called) and hits regardless of the distance. So, it's still gonna be DBZ even without a Kamehameha, lol.
Huh, I always though Astrologian’s limit break was turning back time itself in order to heal allies and “rewrite fate” so to speak.
In fact, wasn’t there a time based spell Astrologians knew?
Astrologian used to have time based spells/lore. But that stuff was eventually written out of the game entirely. Yeah, it's confusing. Maybe they'll make Time Mage later? lol
@@SynodicScribe if I'm not mistaken, the EE mentions that the lb rewinds time and makes victory a certainty or something along those lines
@@loneblade201 Nope. The EE never says anything about the LB controlling time. Only that it has the power to skew fate towards a more favorable victory.
@@SynodicScribe That was it. I knew it was something about fate but it's been a while since I've had to look at the ast pages.
2 scribe videos in under a week, will the wonders never cease?
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I think it's pretty interesting in retrospect that the machinist, being an aetherically charged inventor, created a super weapon that they know cannot work properly unless they channel the latent energy which compromises the power of a limit break.
Right? There's a story behind the first ever Satellite Beam. How everyone was shocked that the battlefield's aether was converted into such a massive weapon.
I think dynamis influences aether. It can overwhelm it, diminish it, warp it, or even amplify it.
Dynamis could one to tap into the ambient aether and lingering, intense emotions of the battlefield and make each into something that is greater than the sum of its parts
Only if the dynamis is of sufficient quantity and the emotion powerful enough. It is the weaker energy of the two by a large margin. So it can happen only under the right circumstances.
So thoughts on the gun breaker limit break.
Superbollide could be seen as the gnb using all but the last bit of their personal life sustaining aether to form an impenetrable shield.
So I would suppose Gunmetal Soul takes the ambient aether and tessellates into essentially an oversized Superbollide?
I guess the reaper limit break could be seen as taking the aether and feeding it to the voidsent in part to fuel a powerful attack? That would be certainly unique.
I think its more of a much more potent variant of Heart of Stone as we actually fire a round for it.
Then instead of expending one round for only one. We shoot multiple to create a bigger field.
The way I see the introduction of Dynamis limit breaks is, since there was little to no ambient aether in UT, we either temporarilly manipulated dynamis to have the same effect, or the dynamis around us responded to out fervent wish to live, and manifested in a form we know, that being a limit break. Intresting to think about either way, and amazing work as always ^^
In the real world there's a specific phenomenon commonly referred to as "Hysterical strength" it allows us (in moments of great stress) to perform feats of strength that should by all means be considered impossible. Part of how this happens is your brain typically limits you to only using roughly 20% of your true physical strength because if you used 100% all of the time it would cause your muscles to tear themselves apart. Perhaps the Limit Break phenomenon is similar in nature, using dynamis to temporarily bypass this "limiter" that's in place to keep you from tearing yourself apart so that you may perform ordinarily impossible feats.
This wasn't a conclusion I came to because of this video, I got into a rather long debate over the subject of limit breaks with someone on reddit, the video just reminded me of it.
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D'aw, thanks buddy. ^^
I have to wonder how much the manifestation of a limit break is affected by the particular user. While some, like the Paladin's Last Bastion tap into more universal desires for protection, the obvious example is Summoner's Teraflare. Surely a summoner who had never interacted with Bahamut should still be able to perform a limit break to its full extent, but the form it would take would necessarily have to differ (experiences ingrained to their soul from previous lives aside). Could a Summoner whose most awe-inspiring interaction with a primal was with Phoenix's rebirth produce a restorative limit break as with healers? But even on the less obvious end, consider Black Mage's Meteor. I would argue that the particular form it takes for Eorzean casters is likely subconsciously inspired by the other part of the seventh umbral calamity--the fall of Dalamud. The plan was named project Meteor, after all. Perhaps in other places or other times, a Black Mage's limit break might be more inspired by spells like Xenoglossy and Foul, maybe resulting in a limit break taking the form of Black Hole.
Actually a black mage’s limit break in lore comes from their legendary progenitor Shatotto who is said to have used their black magic to defect a powerful meteor from the planet.
Though to break from the lore side, before they made lb3 for all the classes there was only 4 lb3, last bastion, final heaven, meteor, and pulse of life. And yes, there was no ranged lb, instead it was heal lb instead. So at one point summoners did meteor for there lb instead.
@@redryan2000 Funnily enough, I think a relic of the spellcaster LB3 is still present to this day in the form of the LB1 and 2 for spellcasters since they still use the same staff that the BLM uses for the meteor.
Thank you for using the AST limit break for the thumbnail. Objectively the best looking limit break in the game.
It really is gorgeous.
I always thought the Gunbreaker LB was a Superbolide on a larger scale. But unlike Superbolide relying on the Aether of the Gunbreaker, the LB draws all the released Aether of the battle into the chamber that the Gunbreaker fires off, creating a larger and night impenetrable shield around themselves and their allies.
I think another part of the Dynamis theory is as i believe you also mentioned in a video when Endwalker was new, that during the last fight against The Endsinger, when a tank in the raid uses the Limit Break The Endsinger would say "dynamis...?" so either she is sensing Dynamis being used against her or the ability of a limit break is so powerful it confused even her.
My two counter arguments:
1: "We've already understood how limit breaks work long before discovering dynamis." Sources?
2: Ultima Thule is not where the idea that limit breaks are powered by dynamis originated, at least not for me. It originated in Elpis, when Hermes explains that beings able to manipulate dynamis into tangible phenomena are called entelechies. At that point, Meteon asks us if we, too, are entelechies due to our thin aether. One of our responses is, "Well, I have been known to surpass my limits through sheer determination alone." Hermes' response seems to validate the idea that, being thinner in aether, we can occasionally use dynamis in ways that "might tip the scales of battle."
Also, Y'shtola told Hydaelyn, when we meet her in the Aetherial Sea, that it seemed she sundered us so that, as beings comprised of less aether, we could better manipate dynamis to a degree, and Hydaelyn confirmed this. Now as for, "how can we manipulate dynamis if there can't be dynamis on our world," I would like to point out that Meteon did her non-verbal communication via dynamis, as explained by Hermes, and even after the world was enshrouded in a protective bubble of aether via Zodiark, but before his destruction, assisted by our gullible Warriors of Light, the Elpis flowers still worked via dynamis. Now as for how dynamis can still be around when it and aether negate each other, and the bubble around the world prevents influxes of dynamis...who knows? What were the Ascians talking about all that time about the "balance of Darkness and Light" when they, themselves, aimed to shift the elemental balances of the worlds, and in the cases of the 7th and 8th Umbral Calamities the balance of Light and Darkness, to bring about Rejoinings?
As a side note: why does this guy pronounce aether as "ay-thur," when they universally pronounce it, hundreds of times, as "ee-thur?"
"As a side note: why does this guy pronounce aether as "ay-thur," when they universally pronounce it, hundreds of times, as "ee-thur?""
Eh, probably the same reason that some people pronounce Mario like "Mare-ee-oh" for some reason, just an alternate, lesser used pronounciation I suppose.
Me casting Vermillion Scourge blinding everyone as a treat.
Since you mention Dynamis again, I do wonder if SE might throw in a plot that causes a "leak" of that energy again onto Eorzea, however in a more controlled manner than what you-know-who did. Maybe giving rise to our first Dynamis job?
Who knows, it'd be awesome though.
Edit: It's interesting to think about all the feats of strength already performed in FFXIV lore and realize Dynamis back then might have already helped then aswell. Though tbf, emotions have always been strong motivators in many things both IRL and in games. It's like 90% of the reasons main characters suddenly overpower a villain because they remembered their friends, family, goal, etc, etc. Just realized this turned into a small rambling session, but still! Dynamis is fascinating!
great vid, love the content!!
My head cannon is that it is a combination of Aether and Dynamis, the LB may be fueled by ambient energetic Aether they all take the form of emotional evocation that embody the pathos of the job.
It's entirely possible that the role Dynamis plays is simply to allow us to weave all that Aether to our imagined desire without practicing it or formalizing it, or even just to let us temporarily harness that much power at one time. More than one person lending their focus would enhance the Dynamis effect for sure. we've seen the effect of group Dynamis channeling in the tribal quests in Ultima Thule. I think the reason Meteion called us out in the final fight was a hint, not that LB IS Dynamis...but that LB USES Dynamis to help weave all that Aether and nothing else we do uses it to a noticeable degree. Certainly, the fuel for the LB is ambient Aether on the battlefield, but Dynamis, even though it's squished and crowded out by strong Aether, is still capable of interacting with it and blending together with it.
The Ninja one is even more signifigant as they normally lack the ability to use more than three signs at once... yet use SEVERAL IN A ROW here....
Thinking on it as I studied the gunblade extensively for quite some time and looking at how one relies on our cartridges thanks to Thancred. We can also draw our own conclusions with how Gunbreaker does their own limit break.
If we do pay attention to Heart of Stone. We shot an aether charged round that exploded upon firing. Instead surrounding us with a protective veil.
It doesnt end there because of the other thing cartridges can do is hold a surplus amount of aether than necessary albeit it either takes time or concentration.
So thinking about Heart of Stone and how a gunbreaker typically fires a round. What if shooting multiple rounds that are just as potent or more. That are directed to cover our allies in a much more potent version of Heart of Stone is what gives us our limit break for GNB.
Instead of it surrounding only the user. It's shot skyward to make that protective dome.
In a way. The name is poetic to our nature to protect to the point of our souls being the only thing that drives us forward to even the brink of death (Superbolide).
Gunmetal Soul is in a sense the representation of dedication to one's need to protect that someone no matter the cost.
Be it to survive for those you love or to the goal you serve.
Edit: Just corrected a few details and added the LB's representation to it's meaning to those who initially created and honed the art.
Edit 2: Spelling errors. Because I shouldnt be commenting while riding a damned bus.
And to add to the Parallels. Heart of Stone becomes Heart of Corundum.
Which is the closest you can get to Diamond in the hardness scale being a 9 to the diamond's 10.
And that it shows off a GNB's prowess of mastering using cartilages as aether conduits for channelling with how improved and refined the now symmetrical and stable it has become due to its hexagonic nature which matches the structure of where the material is fashioned from and same with the limit break.
Both having hexagonal motifs along with Superbolide and Heart of Light. But Heart of Stone being the true and closest to a reference technique to the limit break.
I know you meant “cartridges” but I can’t help but find it funny reading the line “aether infused cartilages.”
@@acgearsandarms1343 I need to sleep more XD. The caffeine addiction I developed as a GNB just made it worse XD
I really love this channel. I feel like I’m actually sitting down in a seminar with a legit teacher from the game.
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All this time I had not noticed that these were class specific for the damage dealers.
My theory is dynamis helps us form the aether for a limit break since it power based heavily upon n emotion and during intense battles where our emotion are at their peak it probably has some effect on our aether it would also make sense for that moment in that one fight but eh we literally no nothing about dynamis do I could be dead wrong
yeah i figure the sundering let us have an easier access to dynamis and that it acts as a force multiplier, its still mostly gathering up aether from the area but the sheer level of effect comes from dynamis multiplying this into awesome powers
I think it’s somewhat true to a point. However Hermes himself said aether is far stronger than Dynamis so I believe due to this fact, Dynamis can only shape the aether to a certain form or way as you suggest. So minimal interaction, but it’s enough for us to use.
It was excellent as always. A pleasure to see some LBs which I tend to never see, or rarely. My personal favorite is being able to call upon a machine to come out and rain death on my foes. the BLM one is so impressive tho, so much fire and exprosions :D
eh, would be better if Black Mage could use demi Ultima or some higher form of Flare, rather then dropping a glorified rock on somethings head.
Never doubt the rock.
Thank you for the lesson, Professor!
You're very welcome!
You should do a continuation video of the missing lb
I get what you're saying but it was a speech option to point out that limit breaks came from dynamis when you learned about it in elpis. And i thought that it made sense because it helped explain why Alisaie, easily the most emotional scion is the one to spam limit breaks constantly as a trust.
"This video is rated B for: You'd better back away if you don't want spoilers, buddy."
*slow clap, big smile*
I want to point out that if, and I say IF, dynamis is involved with Limit Breaks, it’s just a fraction of the potential. If it’s pure dynamis, Limit Breaks would be more potent than we’ve seen. Extremely potent. We don’t need Dynamis solely to use a Limit Break because it does in fact require aether, the stronger energy in comparison. So realistically it’s only as powerful as it is because it is reliant mostly on aether. Ultima Thule is the exception, not the rule. It overrides the common rules of aether due to its nature. Dynamis in Ultima Thule determines the reality there, not aether.
Finally, someone who actually read the dialogue in game and understood what they were saying.
Is the dynamis comment by Endsinger indicative that we harnessed dynamis for that limit break instead of aether? We can utilize aether with emotions as shown in the ultima Thule questline.
As stated, anything said/done in Ultima Thule is within an extremely unique bubble and can't be compared to what's done on the Source. The Endsinger only remarked how we successfully tapped into Dynamis in a world bereft of aether. It surprised them.
Which is everyone’s fav limit break?
Samurai one I think
explosion none said.
Dancer all the way
red mage if you wanna be a troll tenfold and blind every living soul - but for real I gotta go with my main that is SMN because you harness the strength of a dragon and become one with Bahamut in weaving Terraflare
Monk for sure
Fun fact about my character, Ashelia. She researches the limit break and the interaction of Dynamis and Aether that causes it.
In the game, we use MANA/MAGIC points to weaver Aether into skills, and use DYNAMIS to limit break, wich takes battle energy to build up before we can use. Since we dont use magic points to use limit breaks its a strong point its a different kind of energy than Aether.
Well shit! If we're using video game logic now I need to change my metrics. The Miqo'te population should be booming compared to the canon lore!
I wonder if we will get the Limit break four like a certain someone had as either being a super attack every job can use at the same damage so even a White mage can hit as hard as a Dragoon or something else
This is a fantastic video, however there's one thing that doesn't jive for me with the idea that Limit Breaks function by consuming all the ambient aether from the surroundings.
During the Seat of Sacrifice trial, the Warrior of Light uses Limit Breaks against us, to an even greater degree than we can, to the point of using a level 4 limit break. Yet our ability to use Limit Breaks is unaffected, our "gauge" completely independent from his.
This is why I think dynamis plays a much greater role than aether in Limit Breaks; we know dynamis does have influence on Etheirys, however small, due to the Elpis flower.
Moreover, this would also explain the rarity of Limit Breaks, as dynamis appears to have much less rigid rules than aether, being influenced by emotions. Whereas black or white mages constantly draw aether from their surroundings as they fight; the idea of drawing more at once doesn't seem as apocryphal as dynamis.
You're right, it doesn't make sense. Which is why it's important to separate the video game from the fantasy world from time to time. In order for the game to work as intended, the energy for an LB must always gather and become available. If we were 100% lore accurate, said energy would be free for all. However, there's on major thing holding Dynamis back in its relation to LB's.
Knowledge on how LB's work has existed for many years, meanwhile knowledge on Dynamis barely exists. Take a Machinist's LB into consideration. They use the aetherotransformer on their hip to power all their devices, including the Satellite Beam. This device is only designed to interact with aether. They cannot have designed it to draw upon Dynamis for their LB. This is why I pointed out that Ultima Thule is so unique.
I'm not as sure for that. It's not just that you can use limit breaks, but that your LB gauge is filled at the same time as his, and you keep the old gauge afterwards.
That implies that Elidibus charging up was filling the battlefield with energy for his LB4, and the players just siphon that same energy to block the attack.
Or, if I take a few more liberties with theorizing, Elidibus was summoning the Limit Breaks themselves from heroes of different worlds or maybe even past versions of himself. The moment those people wielded Aether and Dynamis, captured for a single moment. Since he himself admitted to summoning incomplete fragments, there could've been....leakages, that the player was able to use.
Dynamis affecting limit breaks is definitely an interesting theory, however I agree with the points in the video. Not only is there evidence of limit breaks being done using aether but also there is so little information on dynamis that until more research is done on dynamis it is hard to say definitively if it actually plays a role in limit breaks. Though that doesn’t stop people like myself from hypothesizing about what dynamis can do. For example one hypothesis I’ve got mulling in my brain is that dynamis can be used instead of aether as an energy source to produce a spell of a similar effect, even limit breaks as well. Unfortunately until there is more research done it will just remain a unproven theory.
A good explanation for most limit breaks. But dynamis is still present even on the reflections where aether is so dense and I hypothesis that it is responsible for a rare phenomenon, the double limit break.
Normally a limit break takes so much aether and so long to build up that it's nigh impossible to use back to back. But for certain driven individuals, when pushed to their absolute limit and low on aether after a long fight, they can still feel energy rapidly building in their bodies letting them perform another feat even though the aether in the area is low. To these individuals the sensation feels instinctual. One scholar mocked how the subject was more akin to a paniced rabid beast flailing about than a warrior.
Further research is needed but the effects are difficult to replicate. Dynamis is affected by strong emotions and is hard to measure within out aether rich atmosphere. But using the abundant dynamis when the ambient aether has been nigh extinguished seems a plausible explanation.
Don't forget about the Seat of Sacrifice. An entity that had vastly more aether than us was throwing out Limit Breaks like it was a standard ability. By Endwalker's own cofession, he couldn't have been using Dynamis in that fight since he was unsundered. He possessed to much aether to use/draw upon Dynamis effectively.
@@SynodicScribe That is a good counter example but we must remember that the subject from SoS is truly an outlier in every definition imaginable.
The being at SoS isn't an Eorzean, but an unsundered who is far more aetherically dense being to begin with. On top of that this being eas fuel for not 1 but 2 primals, he was the warrior of light and the heart of zodiark. On top of that he had access to aether from the crystal tower and access to the will and power of champions of 7 reflections across time. The amount of aether present was staggering and possibly rivaled the power of hydalyn or maybe even zodiarc.
We also must remember that it is in the nature of primals to reflect the images used to create them. If the being imaged a warrior who had truly surpassed all limits then it would stand to reason that the primal summoned would have regular access to limit break level abilities.
To continue the amount of aether present was so great it was used to make a stable portal that connected 13000 years in the past to before the events of the sundering.
That amount of aether would easily surpass the limits of 4 Eorzians in combat which is the generally accepted minimum to accessing a limit break. My hypothesis may well not apply to beings like the ancients at all as they may have access to spells that rival limit breaks with their creation magic.
@@SynodicScribe Being unsundered only means it is harder to manipulate Dynamis, not that it's impossible. If being aetherically dense was the key factor, the Elpis flowers wouldn't work at all as there'd be nothing for them to read. Likewise, Final Days could not happen, because how could the Ancients possibly detect the Endsinger's song and be overwhelmed with despair? Why would these aetheric-dense people feel anything at all, if that was all it took to be immune to the effects of Dynamis?
It is the aetheric shield that Zodiark created that shielded Etheirys from Zodiark's influence. It is also why Zodiark's destruction resulted in the immediate resurgence of the Final Days.
As far as "those thought dead" goes, we're not dead, we're tasting the floor
Hey, a thought occured to me today, i was watching a twitch vod of someone playing through ARR, and it was at the escape scene after the banquet(spoilers), and i noticed that papalymo actually infused Yda with a limit break, because she straight up uses final heaven, the monk lb3. Has this been talked about before?
One note on Summoner: Given the mechanics of the job your speculation that every Eorzean should technically be able to master it should be right. However whenever you start a new character, the merchant chalks your swooning during Hydaelyn's vision up to aether sickness, particularly because Eorzea is so dense in aether that people coming there for the first time now have to acclimatize.
So, is it that The WoL is a native Eorzean that was around during the calamity (the legacy players for sure, but players starting in ARR onwards would be interesting) or is the WoL coming from outside of Eorzea and is more of a special case due to being the shard of Azem?
That bit about the Summoner and Eorzea's possessing the latent potential of Teraflare is directly referenced in EEv1. So if you wanna quirk an eyebrow at someone, look at Square. lmao
The Warrior of Light was at Cartenau that fateful day. Your Warrior of Light could be Garlean and still have this benefit.
Much as I understand why they want LB3s to be uniform in use/power, some part of me does genuinely wish that each class actually did have a different limit break in both form and function.
Normally I support your theories, but even since Dynamis's introduction you've seemed near hell bent on refuting nearly everything the game suggests about it. Don't get me wrong, I agree that it can't be entirely based on Dynamis, and that Aether almost certainly plays a larger role in Limit Breaks than Dynamis does, but despite the obvious repeated intent of the writers of the game, you're really pushing hard against the concept that it could be important to it almost at all.
Ultima Thule is not the only place where a connection between Dynamis/Akasha and Limit Breaks are suggested. It's suggested as much by Nidhanna in Radz-at-Han, it's implied by dialogue options in Elpis, and in some side content, Ultima Thule is just the singular most obvious reference/suggestion about it, which makes it where most people have the realization of what it could mean.
I understand your argument about not having enough information about Dynamis yet to draw full conclusions, but I want you to step out of the in-game-lore world for one moment and consider the game-writer-intent part of lore. Very few things are added into the story of the game for no reason. There's a reason the writers decided to place multiple suggestions regarding the connection throughout the MSQ. While we do not know enough information yet, the fact it's presented multiple times the concept that Dynamis is very important to Limit Breaks is not an accident, there is some implications being made here by the writers.
And I also understand where you're coming from regarding the fact there's already known research and findings on Limit Breaks prior to Dynamis, but I need to remind you that while the term Dynamis is new, it's told to us explicitly that Hannish Alchemists have theorized the presence of Akasha (Which is simply their name for Dynamis) for many years, and the writers explicitly decided to (in the same conversation where Nidhanna suggests the connection to Limit Breaks) explains that "Foreign Scholars often conflate the two" in reference to Aether and Dynamis/Akasha. It seems quite obvious this is the way in which they're trying to essentially retcon this information, instead of invalidating prior knowledge, recontextualizing it in that some of what we've heard as effects of Aether being possible to be Dynamis simply because Sharlayan and other places don't know of and distinguish the difference between the two forces. The game goes as far to repeat this when the final days are happening and Nidhanna says "That brought to mind our previous conversation where I explained the effects of Akasha, the essence many confuse with Aether", the writers are really trying to drive this point in. Considering the existing knowledge of how Limit breaks works was based on Sharlayan research, and talks about Aether, this is not a very strong argument on it's own against Dynamis' role.
You end up with a single dialogue both giving an excuse for how something previously attributed to Aether may instead be attributed to Akasha/Dynamis, and in the same conversation then suggest that Dynamis is behind "when you've transcended the usual limits of your abilities". While from an in-world lore perspective it's an abstract field of study, that needs more research, from an outside the fourth wall, dramatic irony perspective, the writers are very clearly trying to set a precedent, and I find it rather foolish to ignore the fact that such an effort has been placed on this. We do not know the exact amount of effect Dynamis has on Limit Breaks, but the writers are very clearly saying that it's very much not insignificant
I'm curious how much of the old knowledge will be reexamined now that Dynamis is a known and widely acknowledged variable.
It is likely that limit breaks call upon all the power available, both in latent aether and, through strong emotion and desire, dynamis as well. It is unlikely that latent aether alone could produce the energy we see used, as there simply isnt enough available to us for it, as there would be significantly less leftover aether scattered about than all of it that has been used during the fight itself.
I think my favorite limit break is the authorologian one just opening to the 7th Heaven is amazing God dang it 12 open your seven gate already I know what the rest look like I want to figure out what the the 7th one really looks like and see if you have two hidden God's both made from light and dark itself!
So does this mean Goku's Spirit Bomb is a Limit Break? 😂 Jokes aside, thank you for all of your hard work. Now that I have caught up in MSQ, I've been scrolling through your videos to view the ones I had to pry my eyes and ears away from until now!
Hope you enjoy!
Yeah yeah more data points etc. That doesn't change the fact that the MSQ suggests dynamis, or something "torn from the heavens" can help someone transcend their limits, and this is during a conversation with Nidhana well before you go to Ultima Thule. Ignore it all you like, but it definitely means something when the MSQ directly links dynamis and LBs twice.
I think you can slightly rework blue mage so that all of the skills you get from the carnival you get at certain levels everything else have to go out and get like normal
i thank you for that however i do have questions
SPOILER WARNING
1- the thought that Limit break is dynamis is coming from the end singer's reaction to the usage of a must to use LB3 to progress the fight addressing it or something as dynamis...are we seeing some form of retconning?
2- the dragoon limit break resembles a dragon but i cant help but notice the similarities between the aetherically formed dragon and Midgardsormr is that just a coincidence?
3- the summoner LB3 as you mentioned is able to perform a spell that is native to Bahamut...how come none aeorzean races are able to perform it such as Hrothgar and Viera or is it by default assumed whatever race you are to be aeorzean native?
1- Ultima Thule was a aether deprived region of space, so Dynamis was all we could really turn to. The Endsinger was more shocked that we were able to draw upon it as efficiently as we did. Normally that would be impossible since we're aether based beings, but as sundered entities we had that luxury. That's why I made sure to point out that we can't compare anything that happens in Ultima Thule to the Source. Two completely different places with different energies and rules.
2- That's not a coincidence. Midgardsormr is the father of dragons upon the Source after all, so it's only natural that the mightiest dragon would be he himself.
3- Remember, FFXIV 1.0 happened during the 6th Astral Era. So it's canon that the WoL was present during Bahamut's rampage, regardless of what race you pick. People can come up with whatever backstory they want for themselves, but the WoL was in Eorzea at that time no matter what because of 1.0.
@@SynodicScribe Considering everything else that's not a limit break we were doing in Ultima Thule, as well as the fact of the pretty insane acts done by the other Scions prior to the fight, the concept that it was simply her being surprised we can harness Dynamis effectively seems like rather tenuous logic, she should have been surprised far before that if anything.
@@DreadKyller To be fair the scions had to literally give up their physical forms to change Ultima Thule, and besides Thancred the only changed a small area each time. Meanwhile when we used the Tank LB3 we were fine
I'd like to also point out that there are also PvP limit breaks that are wholly different to what a normal Limit Break could be such as WHM LB3 would be Pulse of Life but PvP LB is a cleansing holy cannon of Afflatur Purgation.
Could be that the goals in a PvE scenario are different than in PvP and that emotional instinct is the main factor.
I also kinda disagree with the point that Dynamis is also only in Limit Breaks. It could be that in the newer expansions, the WoL has more control over Dynamis so that they can channel less and less Dynamis bursts for their abilities in PvE to the point where eventually their basic rotation might entirely be Dynamis in the future expansions.
To put it briefly, they used to only be able to inhale huge mists of dynamis back then to make use of big abilities. Eventually, the WoL only needs a whiff to enhance their current repertoire. They might still be able to do a big LB3, however, as the threats the WoL faces become even bigger despite the enhancement.
So if we all limit break we can get rid of air pollution
I can imagine that a Reaper would feed the ambient aether to his voidsent avatar allowing him to strike with such an energy from the void that a giant scythe appears.
Just my theory
Cool
rdm really said rune of hydrogen bomb
The limit break is basically our will manifested. Our indomitable screaming for one more HUZZAH! Battle fever in other regards. After fighting for so long, you feel that sensation of combat! Ask susano. He's all about dynamis
The Ancients in duty support do not use limit breaks, correct?
I do not remember them doing so.
It definitely would support the idea that a being of exclusively aether that cannot interact with dynamis cannot also perform limit breaks.
However I would definitely find merit in your conclusion that it cant be dynamis alone too. If it was dynamis only, I think a lot more people could use limit break, instead of masters of their job.
Perhaps dynamis is a focusing iris? That would be speculation on my part.
Yes they did use limit breaks. Ancients were able to use them same as us since the idea of a Limit Break is aether driven above all else. Much like how a Monk uses Chakra to push their bodies beyond normal limitations and punch boulders into oblivion.
@@SynodicScribe hmm, then that seems to be pretty good evidence that it is aether driven!
I guess I gotta go back and do lvl 87 dungeon again.
@@fierceblu Yeah that was a great dungeon, the dialogue in Endwalker was fantastic!
a limit break being manifesting a burst of power through the sheer strength of will and emotion through harnessing dynamis seems like a likely possibility.
Can you please tell me how we can summon the full primal now? And are they as powerful as the real deal?
When you say "The Full Primal" which one are you referring to?
@@SynodicScribe level 90 summoner. Ifrit, Garuda and titian
@@lushdontu4015 No they are not as powerful as the real deal, they never can be. Summoners don't have enough aether to make something that powerful on their own. This is why, despite their power, the summons only last for a few moments.
@@SynodicScribe even if it’s the warrior of light?
@@lushdontu4015 Not even the Warrior of Light can summon an entire primal alone. It's demands to much aether.
What of people like Godbert, whom we can see even LB twice in a short span of time more than once?
He's just Built different
Everyone gonna be real quiet the BLU limit break drops.
sry but I couldn't see the redmage lb3 due to having my retina scorched
Yeah after editing the video I notice that the Redmage LB3 has an added effect layer that most the other don't have, making it that much brighter. I think my pupils are screwed up from having to view that edit multiple times.
I'm not convinced LB's aren't fueled by dynamis energy, at least partially. Especially since a certain boss straight up calls them that when you use one mid-might. Seeing as that character is VERY familiar with dynamis energy, I would think it hard for her to make a mistake like that. Gonna need more proof if you wanna dismiss that line like that.
I made an entire video breaking down where Dynamis sits in the lore right now if you're interested.
One day I shall get to the current content, but not this day.. [puts video on & mutes to avoid spoilers but giving view time]
Maybe you could do a lesson on why Eorzean is the lingua franca of Etheirys? Each culture that we visit has unique words and supposedly a language that harbors those words. Yet no matter which continent we are on, any and all intelligent beings are able to speak Eorzean to some degree. Even the peoples of the Reflections are seemingly speaking the same language. We know the First heavily diverged from the Source, creating unique cultures not resembling anything on the Source. Yet they speak "Eorzean". Even the Scions were able to communicate with them just fine. While some of the Scions spent years living in the First, the Leveilleur twins were there for only a year. Even if they are prodigies and graduated from the Studium at young ages, I doubt even they would be fluent with only a year spent in a foreign culture. For anyone gifted with the Echo, it is able to translate any tongue that would otherwise be unintelligible to the possessor, even bestial languages. Dragons are capable of Dragonspeak. But that's exclusively used by the eldest ones and transcends the language barrier by some form of telepathy. In the case of our unsundered ancestors, they broke the language barrier in a seemingly similar way the dragons do.
I vaguely recall something from the Encylopedia Eorzea that suggests that Eorzean has become something of a common trade language world-wide, but I'd have to dig out my copy.
There’s a few comments made from Alisaie and Lyse during the stormblood MSQ where they we’re struggling to understand what everyone was saying due to their Far Eastern being rusty.
They probably should have named the WHM break "the ultimate sacrifice" because more often than not, upon completion of the Limit Break, everybody will be alive, _except for the WHM casting it_ because they will likely get nailed by an AoE during the animation stunlock.
Or they LB and anyone caught in a kill wall dies again anyways. lmao
why no gnb or dancer?
Because Square Enix has yet to release any concrete data that isn't just the job quest. I've been waiting for years, wish I could call them up and ask personally. haha
@@SynodicScribe yea you need Koji fox on speed dial bro, 🤣🤣🤣
Ooh?
you're video lost all credibility just by you calling people who throw their lot in with the new information the WoL has "dynamis fanboys". at the bare minimum at this point you have to acknoweldge that while it may not be only dynamis, by your explanation dynamis is the force responsible for shaping the aether into the form of the limit breaks if it is not solely responsible for them.
Agreed, while I understand and agree with many of his points, many of his videos lately have felt a bit pretentious, he gets very argumentative and defensive any time anyone points out a potential chip in an argument of his, or points out any evidence that may support a different opinion, and he'll group people who disagree with him in a group and insult them in the video or description. And this started prior to the whole Dynamis thing.
Whyyyyy do you narrate like that?!
Because the scary men in cloaks said if I stop then I'll never see my sister again.
I really hope they don't try to go forward with the dynamis retcon, for limit breaks and in general. It'd be much better if they just leave it as an endwalker exclusive plot point and basically pretend it never existed from now on.
Why would that be a retcon? It's been hinted that aether hasn't been the only force at work in the world since the very beginning
I mean yeah, it was kept deliberately vague so it was easily missed
Do a new game plus, replay the entire story mode from part one of ARR and you'll see what I mean. I did exactly that, and I was so surprised by everything that I missed only to have all my Endwalker knowledge fill in the gaps
@@recjr7685 Being a retcon or not isn't the issue in the first place. Dynamis is just such a poorly thought out and terribly impemented plot point that at this point it'd be the best move if we just never bring it up again.
Dynamis IS a retcon though. It's retroactive continuity. Anytime a story goes, "You know that one pre-established mysterious thing, that was (blank) the whole time." that is a retcon.
Like I said, being a retcon isn't inherently a problem. Tons of stories use them well. In fact it's a very old writing tool that has only recently been seen as inherently bad due to numerouse bad uses of it in modern media, Endwalker included.
@UC4OEH5JqlJJlbAVQ6iO91tw it's only a retcon if it was never even remotely hinted to be a thing and then they just tell you what this is and how it's always been there
If it's been hinted at all along as part of the lore but not really focused on or talked about until the moment you find out what it actually is, that's not a retcon
@UC4OEH5JqlJJlbAVQ6iO91tw By that standard every surprising new thing that happens is a retcon.
Dynamis isn't a retcon because they've been hinting at its existence for a long time.
@@the_exegete Again, that's not the issue.