Low-key Stats for all and incandescent on Ammit is pretty good since incandescent procs stats for all. Though I know people run Envious and incandescent .
Absolutely love the quality of content you put out, how concise you are about why an option is good, and the depth of your dps spreadsheet resource is unrivaled. Your work is greatly appreciated, and your love for the game is seen. Aegis, YOU are the GOAT.
Cuz its rough out here if u didn't start posting a long time ago. Let's call it what it is, the bigger content creators all suppress the smaller creators by reposting their video subject matter and sucking up All the Algorithm. It's the sad truth but hey people who truly understand how this game works appreciate these kinds if videos.
@@lgtokyo2665 not all his videos are an hr long. His higher views are all from the glitched videos which the reason why it's so high is because of all the hype and the time on which he uploaded them.
@@lgtokyo2665 TH-cam algo is a little more complicated than that, plenty of channels out there put out like an hour long video once every few months and get like eight-digit views on them. I'd argue it has more to do with the D2 niche specifically, we don't actually want to be good at the game as a whole we just wanna be mad
Thank you for saying praise to Dead Weight, i’ve been trying to tell my buddies for months about how good the shotgun is, it’s my go to legendary shotty
I used Dead Weight so much when i was farming Kalli as the Anarchy dude. Glad to see it getting the recognition. ALH/Frenzy with 8 in the mag was awesome.
Whilst I understand your logic for saying it being Arc is a negative, I will say that for anyone who uses Arc Hunter for endgame activities such as solo dungeons, Dead Weight is perfect and it being arc is a plus! I love it, it's been my go to shotgun for so long. Nice to see it getting the respect it deserves. :) Great vid.
When I was doing master caital farming with rockets I was the gjallahorn user so after some runs I settled on Until It's Return as being the best choice since we could 1 phase from time to time. I love that shotgun
I’ve been experimenting with shotguns lately and man I got a deadweight with GraveR/lead4Gold+Trench/1&2Punch and man that is my go-to shotgun rn. I also got a Basso with the same rolls so I’m set for both subclasses. So I was curious as to how good they actually were but it’s rare to see PvE shotgun stuff. It’s dope that you made this video and the placement of the guns seemed pretty good overall. Great video.
Had to come back and say thank you for sharing your PvE knowledge. As a mid level player, I'm not going to be using this knowledge in the same high-skill contexts that you do. But even if I were to never learn an optimal DPS strategy, this video got me to put away my Lightweights for a second and find a new love in Trench Barrel Imperial Decree. Simiarly, I'm excited to try out Overflow & Cascade Point on Until Its Return, when I previously wouldn't have touched Rapid Fires at all. (I thought the archetype was bad, lol!) Thank you for making such cool content. I'm happy that it seems to have brought you TH-cam attention.
I would argue affinity is not worth judging a weapon on, I've been using any number of heavy weapons for boss DPS to great effect, sleeper, retrofit escapade, cold comfort, and any number of elemental swords.
Very informative! It would've been nice to see a visual layout of recommended perks for an easy way to refer back to this video but this has definitely made me much less apprehensive to the idea of using shotguns in PvE.
I don't suppose you could give best rolls of the S and A tiers of each special weapon type, I feel like that would be super interesting. and also useful knowledge. Great video all the same, very insightful and not overwhelming which is always nice, especially for a longer video. Thank You!!!
Great video! Just one issue: the “Competition” section seems entirely redundant. You said that it’s scored based on “whether it’s the best at what it does”, but how do you gauge that at the beginning of your rankings when you (theoretically) shouldn’t have any sort of benchmark to compare against? The only way to counter that is by starting with weapons that you already know are top-class, but then you run into the issue of inputting personal bias
Because if a weapon is best in class because Bungie has failed to fill up that niche with truly good weapons, then it deserves a score increase because there is no alternative. This is relatively rare, and the result is skewing to extremes, but I think it ended up balancing the list in a more accurate manner.
I’m confused what makes one small step better than wastelander as a one two punch shotgun. You said it doesn’t have the same perks but they both have lead from gold and one two. In fact wastelander is enhanceable as well. I’m just wondering which one to grind for and that comment confused me.
Very good list agree with all of it. I just think u undervalued reconstruction and slugs (and even tho u gave extra points to recom, i think that was still not enough) on that list.There are still several bosses with a higher crit multiplier where using slugs makes sense or the range doesn’t allow u to use regular shotguns/but u are able to use slugs due to their huge range advantage. aswell as reconstruction in scenarios where u don’t use them just for dps. The convinience of shooting 6-10 bullets on a miniboss is unmatched. For me personally heritage (just because of recombination) still deserves S-Tier and Nessas Oblation deserves to be atleast B-Tier Like whenever I do challenging content (not really into speedrunning, but I love to lowman) and I need a kinetic close range weapon, the answer is always heritage (even tho the damage profile from slugs and their swap damage ain’t the best, being outclassed by most other shotguns) The perkcombination is just too good.
There are two bosses where the crit multi matters + slugs are used and they are in the oldest raid currently in the game, one of which isn't really even a normal boss (Shuro), so I didn't think that was enough of a benefit to push slugs into relevance
@@TheAegisRelic wait is it only shuro chi, kalli and caiatl and Oryx with a higher crit Multiplier currently? What happened to the witch type model. I’m like so sure that these had a higher crit multiplier too. Aswell as cabals with their explosive backpack (like explicator) and Boss type cabals that look like caiatl. Ok if it’s only the case with 2 bosses, the sorry. I had some wrong information there. But what about my other mentioned points. I still think these 2 shotties deserve to move up a tier.
Personally, I wouldn't use elemental affinity, as a really important factor to determine the value of the those shotguns, cuz even tho the affinity may provide a good advantage on dps rotation with surge mods, it's really dependent in external factors, that being the meta and the current roster of weapons, which could change really easily by a nerf or a new weapon. The only case I do understand, is kinetic shotguns, because of their intrinsic 15% extra damage. Still, great video
Swordbreaker is fantastic if you are an ARC hunter with liars handshake doing ad clear, besides that tho i dont think its anything to write home about, i still really enjoy it for mid - late game content.
great video orher than one thing i think would elevate it to the next level and that is showing the perkpool for every shotgun you are talking about. so going to d2 foundry's page for the shotty and then going back to the tierlist to rate it. would make it easier to comprehend imo
When you take into consideration the Rasputin's Arsenal origin trait on the Ikelos it puts it way over the top. Refilling half the mag when braking a shield is great utility.
So glad someone actually saying Dead Weight and Xenoclast are good, I've been trying to sell my friends on them since they came out and they just won't believe me.
If you were to make another video like this I think it would be helpful to show a light gg, d2foundry, or another equivalent with all the perks visible when talking about a gun. I know you’re going over them audibly but a visual component would be nice
Would you be willing to do a weapon stat analysis for shotgun swapping at some point? Or a dedicated video guide/tutorial to swapping in lightfall? I’ve scrapped some concepts together between several of your and others’ videos but am still struggling a bit to find good guidance My big questions (all heavily intertwined) *Handling: what are our breakpoints/minimums for archetypes, how much do you need with or without dragonshadow/ophids? How much does frenzy enable a gun or is the handling aspect negligible *Range/stability: how much are these a factor or negligible? *Archetype: what is the dps % discrepancy between the archetypes, what considerations need to be made between each *Weapon mods: extended clip, boss spec, easy access sling?? (related to handling above) *Assault Mag: also related to handling breakpoints *Heavy selection: maybe more info on the recommended loadouts/rotations, sorry, I couldn’t find a tutorial in the dps spreadsheet, if it’s there I’m too dumb to figure it out. *Boss encounters/damage profiles: what bosses are appropriate/inappropriate to use them in, and when are frenzy/surrounded applicable Or if anyone knows a good source lmk
Handling: as high as possible on every archetype, there's no standard threshold or anything Range/stability: negligible Archetype: agg 123 > lw 12 > slug 12 > agg 12 > rapids (15% perk), specific numbers available in DPS sheet Mods: spec always Heavy: usually Gjally/Tractor if you're shotgun swapping Bosses: any shotgun range boss usually, Surrounded is almost never an option A lot of your questions are answered by the DPS Decoded: Swapping video, but if you have any more questions let me know!
Another great vid. Not sure if I missed it but could you clarify which archetypes are best for - Pellet swapping (aggressive?) 1-2 punch Trench barrel Thanks
The fact that you rate them for damage rotations as well as utility in the same tier list makes confusing results. I imagine how hard it is to do this kind of tier list, but even top players would never choose some A tier option in most situation compared to some B tier. I think you rated them at how good they are at doing their job, but its like comparing in the same tier list a good surgeon and a good lawyer.
@TheAegisRelic While I understand your point, I still stand by mine. I still think a perfect video would be one where every weapon would be rated separately for utility/DPS by themself/DPS rotation. Your work is already extremely valuable don't get me wrong but I guess you understand that for example choosing between imperial decree or wastelander can't be just done by saying one is better than the other, they don't serve the same purpose.
I think I have more questions than answers at this point. Like, why is Heritage still the highest ranked shotgun in the DPS spreadsheet? Why does the element of a rapid-fire matter if you'd switch to an aggressive for DPS? When and why would you pick Surplus over ALH?
Heritage is craftable, never needs reloading, is kinetic, and has three solid dmg perks. elements matter to match surge mods of your heavy weapon. surplus is better for short phases when you dont need to reload either shotgun in your swap combo.
Heritage is good for short rotations because of Recombination but I'm ranking holistically and that is only one small piece of the puzzle Rapids are used for boss DPS in some circumstances but surges are not as important for them - that is a compromise I had to make when scoring affinities You pick Surplus over ALH when you're using RoF or TDS
Cracked video man, you've been consistently putting out great stuff! I saw that you ranked snipes and fusions in the spreadsheet as well, do you plan on having a video for those to talk over your thoughts?
Your videos have helped me go from mid low tier damage to mid high tier and sometimes top if I could ever get the izzy swap right consistently😂 console plebs for the win! Fr tho, thank you for all the info and explanations, must watch every time
Look at my guy Aegis! Over here continuing my wonderful journey into DPS shotties 😂 Thank you for taking out a bunch of my playtime forcing my clanmates to hangout with me while I shoot things
Hey man, what is the build you use at the beggining to shoot out so many projectiles with all your weapons? I'm kind of new to the game and got really interested by it. Also your guides helped me a lot on guiding my objectives going foward in the game, keep up the great work!
I know why you’re valuing certain elements because matching surges has become Uber important. However I would argue strand and void deserve some credit with being able to gain a small but unique damage bonus from unraveling and volatile rounds respectively. Another thing is you may wanna add some non copyright elevator music to the background. Although mainly a informative video it would help the viewing experience in the future.
Also Volatile isn't consistently up for enough of the phase to be notable on a minor damage component and shotguns are low fire rate, Unravel can be sourced elsewhere relatively easily in team settings
Love these vids. Can you explain your change in preference from lightweights swapping to aggressive swapping? Think you had a video about using lightweights so just wanted to know what changed.
123 swapping bypasses the slow fire rate, which was a limitation on aggressives before if you did 1212 swapping, I'm a lot happier with aggressives if you 123 swap instead, which was something I was less convinced of at the time
To be fair. Until its return gets really nasty with unraveling rounds. Put the fragment for unraveling rounds on my titan with the tangle damage gives melee fragment and synthos etc, shotgun had overflow and trench barrel. pretty nice in tier 3 altars. Allows you to carve a path to the tangles no problem.
Is there any reason why exotics aren’t included. While obviously you wouldn’t/couldn’t use them with tractor or gally some of them still feel like it would fit well into this vid. Regardless super great video like normal. Your effort shows through in all your content, keep it up
Even though you put it in C tier I still want to get my hands on sword breaker. I know Aztecross lose this shotgun with slide shot and one two punch on it for his strand titan build. It's actually pretty good this season since 2 of the artifact perks buff strand weapons. There's one that gives your strand weapons unraveling rounds and the other is that strand has a chance to suspend targets or stasis weapons has a chance to freeze targets. Strand is still quite meta even with the nerfs to banner of war.
This video came at a convenient time as I now need an arc 12p shotgun to pair with the Song of IrYut (previously was using basso and commemoration) It’ll go great with the banner of war build. I was worried because the best in slot shotgun was from gambit (I refuse to play it) but seeing xenoclast is also worth it is nice
kinda surprised you didn't give any bonus to enhanced 1-2p. being able to hit 2 fewer pellets goes a long way when doing things like grapple melee chains
I'm curious, it sounds like you recommend double aggressive over lightweight for tractor, but I haven't caught in any of your videos why that is preferred? Appreciate all your effort in these areas!
@TheAegisRelic that's fair. I was thinking it might have potential as a tractor warlock with the final shape solar super and rain of fire. Something like Boop Swap to one small step Nade, pop super, Mag dump Swap to ikelos for cascade point Icarus dash and boop Swap to one small step and nade And so on. Probably not top tier and we have to wait for final shape to try it, but definitely an interesting and unique concept.
Any chance you're sleeping on Overflow as a reload perk? I was rocking it on Until Its Return during the day one, with the amount of bricks around it felt perfect to nuke a wizard or a knight real fast, and it had practically 100% uptime. I realize that requiring you to run over a brick (Shoot to Loot doesn't proc it, right?) makes it worse than auto-loading though
Quick question - why is one two punch best on rapid fire frames? Aren’t you using your melee after every shot, so you’d want the highest damage per shot since your rate of fire is limited by the melee animation?
Maybe you already answered this question (if yes I'm sorry 😅) but for dps I'm most of the time the one who plays tractor and if you play tractor and wanna play slug swapping, isn't nessa the way to go? Because of its void affinity. Or is there a better one?
On your Spreadsheet singles tab. Sojourners is highest DPS legendary shotgun. I thought you said that rapid fires or aggressive were the best archetype? Or am I misunderstanding the spreadsheet?
Great video!!! Wondering, what's your go-to pair of shottys for boss swap dps? Also, if you add in exotic shotguns like conditional finality with it's almost 100 handling and extra damage with shatter and ignite, would you consider using it for boss swaps too? second shot is solar so it can go along Apex I guess!
What I don't understand is that on your "Damage rotation ranking" video you published at the end of last season, you ranked lightweight shotguns lower than slugs (30th vs. 28th and 23th vs. 22th) and say that aggressive shotgun swap is on par with lightweight. Then you proceed now to say the opposite in this video. And at that time, all of the top dps rotations you presented were with slugs swapping (Nessa / Sojourner tale and Heritage (like 20th and 9th, 4th ad 3rd)
Unfortunately as I test more and more results can change, which is why I try to do my due diligence and update things every time I do more precise testing. With the most precise testing I have available, my most recent videos will be what is most accurate. Lightweight shotguns do in fact do higher DPS than slugs, as my testing did not account for 123 swapping as well as better swap timings for more accurate DPS values. If you want a more accurate assessment in general, check the Ranking and SIngle tabs in the DPS spreadsheets.
Interesting! I usually stay pretty up to date on this stuff, but when did slugs get overtaken by spread shots? I just did a small amount of testing myself and rapid fires and lightweights seem to do a pretty substantial amount more than the rest
@@TheAegisRelicThat's good to hear, sorry for all the comments, I stuck around for the whole vid lol. It really makes no sense that using the slug provides no benefit anymore. Just hope they don't nerf spread shotguns and choose to buff slugs instead.
I'm still a bit confused about the verdict on slugs. Was there a nerf to them recently, because I thought they'd still be very popular. Or is it that the context of speed running and low mans means that there's less time to line up those precision shots?
The Rapid fire meta. Echtar is a funny boss, I found double slugging on a titan better than double aggresives. This is because you can proc surrounded quite easily, so fortissimo + Filo. I said this then remembered: Imperial and sudden death can also get surrounded...
Who watches a 1-hour long video about guns? Boring
So true Water Duck One
(he is joking guys)
so real!
Pin of shame lmao
Bro gtfo of here lmao
Pinned 😂
Thank you for respecting your viewers time by opening with the best shotgun in the game: The Ammit AR2
Maximizing speed, efficiency and POWERRRRR at best
Nah herison on top
Low-key Stats for all and incandescent on Ammit is pretty good since incandescent procs stats for all. Though I know people run Envious and incandescent .
Aegis dropped a vid finally i can form my opinion on PVE shottys
Absolutely love the quality of content you put out, how concise you are about why an option is good, and the depth of your dps spreadsheet resource is unrivaled. Your work is greatly appreciated, and your love for the game is seen. Aegis, YOU are the GOAT.
Thanks for the kind words :)
One thing is for sure: my favorite shotgun of this past weekend was Ammit AR2
For real
Why haven't you blown up yet, you're consistently putting out incredibly valuable information and the community is missing out big time
Cuz its rough out here if u didn't start posting a long time ago. Let's call it what it is, the bigger content creators all suppress the smaller creators by reposting their video subject matter and sucking up All the Algorithm. It's the sad truth but hey people who truly understand how this game works appreciate these kinds if videos.
Because an hour long video, no one watches on guns mate. Thats why. TH-cam algorithm isnt suited for this.
Most players arent that invested in the game to care about optimal dps and runs.
@@lgtokyo2665 not all his videos are an hr long. His higher views are all from the glitched videos which the reason why it's so high is because of all the hype and the time on which he uploaded them.
@@lgtokyo2665 TH-cam algo is a little more complicated than that, plenty of channels out there put out like an hour long video once every few months and get like eight-digit views on them. I'd argue it has more to do with the D2 niche specifically, we don't actually want to be good at the game as a whole we just wanna be mad
seeing the footage of double eager edge makes me already nostalgic about it, it was so much fun :D
Thank you for saying praise to Dead Weight, i’ve been trying to tell my buddies for months about how good the shotgun is, it’s my go to legendary shotty
Aegis hates on slug shotguns for an hour
"I don't have subjective feelings about weapons" Aegis is a warmind, confirmed.
I don't wanna live in a world where Heritage is A and Nessa is C
Heritage is factually better doe
@@zonecrimzon1222exactly, Heritage should be S and Nessas needs to be A
One full hour of Aegis, sometimes life is beautiful. 😌
I used Dead Weight so much when i was farming Kalli as the Anarchy dude. Glad to see it getting the recognition. ALH/Frenzy with 8 in the mag was awesome.
Whilst I understand your logic for saying it being Arc is a negative, I will say that for anyone who uses Arc Hunter for endgame activities such as solo dungeons, Dead Weight is perfect and it being arc is a plus! I love it, it's been my go to shotgun for so long. Nice to see it getting the respect it deserves. :) Great vid.
Yeah I only took away a small amount of points for affinity problems, there's a reason it's still S tier :)
bout to put this on repeat as i sleep, wake up and immediately be able to execute perfect shotgun dps rotations
underrated perk about one two punch wastelander is the smaller reticle/smaller pellet spread making it very easy to proc one two punch on all enemies
Aegis is really the duct tape of the Destiny community. Great Work keep it up!
Love ur breakdowns, videos have such a great energy to them while also being so informative.
Appreciate it :)
When I was doing master caital farming with rockets I was the gjallahorn user so after some runs I settled on Until It's Return as being the best choice since we could 1 phase from time to time. I love that shotgun
I know it'd be a ton more work but I'd like to see separate tierlists for swapping, solo DPS, and utility
I mean that information can kinda be extrapolated based on my explanations but I get what you mean
crazy how i could watch and enjoy this for a solid hour whilst i cant pay attention to my lectures for more than 5 minutes
If this channel is this kind of content, the sub was worth it
I’ve been experimenting with shotguns lately and man I got a deadweight with GraveR/lead4Gold+Trench/1&2Punch and man that is my go-to shotgun rn. I also got a Basso with the same rolls so I’m set for both subclasses. So I was curious as to how good they actually were but it’s rare to see PvE shotgun stuff. It’s dope that you made this video and the placement of the guns seemed pretty good overall. Great video.
the fucking dedication that you have is insane man thank you for all your tier lists
Had to come back and say thank you for sharing your PvE knowledge. As a mid level player, I'm not going to be using this knowledge in the same high-skill contexts that you do. But even if I were to never learn an optimal DPS strategy, this video got me to put away my Lightweights for a second and find a new love in Trench Barrel Imperial Decree. Simiarly, I'm excited to try out Overflow & Cascade Point on Until Its Return, when I previously wouldn't have touched Rapid Fires at all. (I thought the archetype was bad, lol!)
Thank you for making such cool content. I'm happy that it seems to have brought you TH-cam attention.
a 1 hour long tier list about a bottom 3 weapon type in the game??? instant watch
I would argue affinity is not worth judging a weapon on, I've been using any number of heavy weapons for boss DPS to great effect, sleeper, retrofit escapade, cold comfort, and any number of elemental swords.
For certain weapon types it is essential
Very informative! It would've been nice to see a visual layout of recommended perks for an easy way to refer back to this video but this has definitely made me much less apprehensive to the idea of using shotguns in PvE.
Going to do that for snipers nw
Crafted Heritage with Aggressive frame is pretty hot right now.
I don't suppose you could give best rolls of the S and A tiers of each special weapon type, I feel like that would be super interesting. and also useful knowledge.
Great video all the same, very insightful and not overwhelming which is always nice, especially for a longer video.
Thank You!!!
There's some roll info in my DPS sheet as well as the scoring sheet in the description
Great video! Just one issue: the “Competition” section seems entirely redundant. You said that it’s scored based on “whether it’s the best at what it does”, but how do you gauge that at the beginning of your rankings when you (theoretically) shouldn’t have any sort of benchmark to compare against? The only way to counter that is by starting with weapons that you already know are top-class, but then you run into the issue of inputting personal bias
Because if a weapon is best in class because Bungie has failed to fill up that niche with truly good weapons, then it deserves a score increase because there is no alternative. This is relatively rare, and the result is skewing to extremes, but I think it ended up balancing the list in a more accurate manner.
I’m confused what makes one small step better than wastelander as a one two punch shotgun. You said it doesn’t have the same perks but they both have lead from gold and one two. In fact wastelander is enhanceable as well. I’m just wondering which one to grind for and that comment confused me.
Total shots very valuable for a 12P shotty
beautifully constructed as usual, well done
Very insightful! looking forward to a fusion rifle version of this, if you plan to make one :)
Recombination is also on succession. They are the only two weapons in the game to take advantage of that perk!
Yep :)
@@TheAegisRelickinda wild how reconstruction is everywhere but recombination has never seen use anywhere else
my man just dropped an hour long video about shotguns and im here for it
always love how informative your videos are, you've been a big help keep up the great work :)
Very good list agree with all of it. I just think u undervalued reconstruction and slugs (and even tho u gave extra points to recom, i think that was still not enough) on that list.There are still several bosses with a higher crit multiplier where using slugs makes sense or the range doesn’t allow u to use regular shotguns/but u are able to use slugs due to their huge range advantage. aswell as reconstruction in scenarios where u don’t use them just for dps. The convinience of shooting 6-10 bullets on a miniboss is unmatched.
For me personally heritage (just because of recombination) still deserves S-Tier and Nessas Oblation deserves to be atleast B-Tier
Like whenever I do challenging content (not really into speedrunning, but I love to lowman) and I need a kinetic close range weapon, the answer is always heritage (even tho the damage profile from slugs and their swap damage ain’t the best, being outclassed by most other shotguns) The perkcombination is just too good.
There are two bosses where the crit multi matters + slugs are used and they are in the oldest raid currently in the game, one of which isn't really even a normal boss (Shuro), so I didn't think that was enough of a benefit to push slugs into relevance
@@TheAegisRelic wait is it only shuro chi, kalli and caiatl and Oryx with a higher crit Multiplier currently? What happened to the witch type model. I’m like so sure that these had a higher crit multiplier too. Aswell as cabals with their explosive backpack (like explicator) and Boss type cabals that look like caiatl. Ok if it’s only the case with 2 bosses, the sorry. I had some wrong information there.
But what about my other mentioned points. I still think these 2 shotties deserve to move up a tier.
@@Ysl489 The wizard boss model had its crit multiplier removed for some reason a while back, and Explicator doesn't have a special crit either
Personally, I wouldn't use elemental affinity, as a really important factor to determine the value of the those shotguns, cuz even tho the affinity may provide a good advantage on dps rotation with surge mods, it's really dependent in external factors, that being the meta and the current roster of weapons, which could change really easily by a nerf or a new weapon. The only case I do understand, is kinetic shotguns, because of their intrinsic 15% extra damage. Still, great video
I'm planning on updating these every time a major patch/update comes out in a much shorter form
Yeah prophet of doom is pretty bad but it looks soooo cool, I really hope we get a GoS reprise with the first episode after final shape
Swordbreaker is fantastic if you are an ARC hunter with liars handshake doing ad clear, besides that tho i dont think its anything to write home about, i still really enjoy it for mid - late game content.
great video orher than one thing i think would elevate it to the next level and that is showing the perkpool for every shotgun you are talking about. so going to d2 foundry's page for the shotty and then going back to the tierlist to rate it. would make it easier to comprehend imo
I'll do that for the next one honestly I was going to but kinda decided against it
When you take into consideration the Rasputin's Arsenal origin trait on the Ikelos it puts it way over the top. Refilling half the mag when braking a shield is great utility.
I'm not really sure how that's great utility in 99% of content
So glad someone actually saying Dead Weight and Xenoclast are good, I've been trying to sell my friends on them since they came out and they just won't believe me.
How in the fuck has the slug nerf just ceased to exist in my memory
an one hour aegis video christmas came early 🙌
If you were to make another video like this I think it would be helpful to show a light gg, d2foundry, or another equivalent with all the perks visible when talking about a gun. I know you’re going over them audibly but a visual component would be nice
Going to, heard the feedback, appreciate it
Would you be willing to do a weapon stat analysis for shotgun swapping at some point? Or a dedicated video guide/tutorial to swapping in lightfall? I’ve scrapped some concepts together between several of your and others’ videos but am still struggling a bit to find good guidance
My big questions (all heavily intertwined)
*Handling: what are our breakpoints/minimums for archetypes, how much do you need with or without dragonshadow/ophids? How much does frenzy enable a gun or is the handling aspect negligible
*Range/stability: how much are these a factor or negligible?
*Archetype: what is the dps % discrepancy between the archetypes, what considerations need to be made between each
*Weapon mods: extended clip, boss spec, easy access sling?? (related to handling above)
*Assault Mag: also related to handling breakpoints
*Heavy selection: maybe more info on the recommended loadouts/rotations, sorry, I couldn’t find a tutorial in the dps spreadsheet, if it’s there I’m too dumb to figure it out.
*Boss encounters/damage profiles: what bosses are appropriate/inappropriate to use them in, and when are frenzy/surrounded applicable
Or if anyone knows a good source lmk
Handling: as high as possible on every archetype, there's no standard threshold or anything
Range/stability: negligible
Archetype: agg 123 > lw 12 > slug 12 > agg 12 > rapids (15% perk), specific numbers available in DPS sheet
Mods: spec always
Heavy: usually Gjally/Tractor if you're shotgun swapping
Bosses: any shotgun range boss usually, Surrounded is almost never an option
A lot of your questions are answered by the DPS Decoded: Swapping video, but if you have any more questions let me know!
Another great vid. Not sure if I missed it but could you clarify which archetypes are best for -
Pellet swapping (aggressive?)
1-2 punch
Trench barrel
Thanks
123 aggressives > 1212 lightweights
Rapids or lightweights
Aggressives only
stubborn oak
I’ve always said, Destiny players use spreadsheets and that’s all one needs to know. Great video and explanations, very enjoyable thank you.
The fact that you rate them for damage rotations as well as utility in the same tier list makes confusing results. I imagine how hard it is to do this kind of tier list, but even top players would never choose some A tier option in most situation compared to some B tier. I think you rated them at how good they are at doing their job, but its like comparing in the same tier list a good surgeon and a good lawyer.
I tried to rank holistically - if a gun can do both jobs well, it's in the S tier :)
@TheAegisRelic While I understand your point, I still stand by mine. I still think a perfect video would be one where every weapon would be rated separately for utility/DPS by themself/DPS rotation. Your work is already extremely valuable don't get me wrong but I guess you understand that for example choosing between imperial decree or wastelander can't be just done by saying one is better than the other, they don't serve the same purpose.
I think I have more questions than answers at this point. Like, why is Heritage still the highest ranked shotgun in the DPS spreadsheet? Why does the element of a rapid-fire matter if you'd switch to an aggressive for DPS? When and why would you pick Surplus over ALH?
Heritage is craftable, never needs reloading, is kinetic, and has three solid dmg perks. elements matter to match surge mods of your heavy weapon. surplus is better for short phases when you dont need to reload either shotgun in your swap combo.
Heritage is good for short rotations because of Recombination but I'm ranking holistically and that is only one small piece of the puzzle
Rapids are used for boss DPS in some circumstances but surges are not as important for them - that is a compromise I had to make when scoring affinities
You pick Surplus over ALH when you're using RoF or TDS
fun vid im ready to see the other weapon types
Babe wake up, new aegis vid just dropped
Cracked video man, you've been consistently putting out great stuff! I saw that you ranked snipes and fusions in the spreadsheet as well, do you plan on having a video for those to talk over your thoughts?
Yeah sniper is coming out today
Oh boy I hope you finally confirm that blasphemer is underated for pve
Babe wake up, Aegis posted another video that I was wondering about recently (I'm sorry that I'm late, king o7)
1 hour aegis vid wonderfull
Your videos have helped me go from mid low tier damage to mid high tier and sometimes top if I could ever get the izzy swap right consistently😂 console plebs for the win! Fr tho, thank you for all the info and explanations, must watch every time
Look at my guy Aegis! Over here continuing my wonderful journey into DPS shotties 😂 Thank you for taking out a bunch of my playtime forcing my clanmates to hangout with me while I shoot things
Hey man, what is the build you use at the beggining to shoot out so many projectiles with all your weapons? I'm kind of new to the game and got really interested by it.
Also your guides helped me a lot on guiding my objectives going foward in the game, keep up the great work!
This was during the Craftening bug haha
I know why you’re valuing certain elements because matching surges has become Uber important. However I would argue strand and void deserve some credit with being able to gain a small but unique damage bonus from unraveling and volatile rounds respectively.
Another thing is you may wanna add some non copyright elevator music to the background. Although mainly a informative video it would help the viewing experience in the future.
I can add some music to the next next video (the sniper one's already rendered)
Also Volatile isn't consistently up for enough of the phase to be notable on a minor damage component and shotguns are low fire rate, Unravel can be sourced elsewhere relatively easily in team settings
Man I miss double slug meta
Love these vids. Can you explain your change in preference from lightweights swapping to aggressive swapping? Think you had a video about using lightweights so just wanted to know what changed.
123 swapping bypasses the slow fire rate, which was a limitation on aggressives before if you did 1212 swapping, I'm a lot happier with aggressives if you 123 swap instead, which was something I was less convinced of at the time
No brief summary of the best in slot shottys?😭😭 loved the vid though🩶🤍
I mean it's pretty much just S/A tier
@@TheAegisRelic Valid & Fair
To be fair. Until its return gets really nasty with unraveling rounds. Put the fragment for unraveling rounds on my titan with the tangle damage gives melee fragment and synthos etc, shotgun had overflow and trench barrel. pretty nice in tier 3 altars. Allows you to carve a path to the tangles no problem.
Also, as Grapple melee counts as a powered melee, I use Until it Returns with trench barrel to get off three high damage shots immediately on melee
Aegis getting ready to make everyone a Gambit main this season...
Great video my man Aegis. Really appreciate the details in every choice of placement
the Osmosis Demo Fortissimo may be powercrept, but it is my favorite slug
I aint watch it yet but im just here to show support
My PVE oppinion has arrived!
Is there any reason why exotics aren’t included. While obviously you wouldn’t/couldn’t use them with tractor or gally some of them still feel like it would fit well into this vid.
Regardless super great video like normal. Your effort shows through in all your content, keep it up
Exotic tier list coming soon :)
@@TheAegisRelicthank you!!!
Even though you put it in C tier I still want to get my hands on sword breaker. I know Aztecross lose this shotgun with slide shot and one two punch on it for his strand titan build. It's actually pretty good this season since 2 of the artifact perks buff strand weapons. There's one that gives your strand weapons unraveling rounds and the other is that strand has a chance to suspend targets or stasis weapons has a chance to freeze targets. Strand is still quite meta even with the nerfs to banner of war.
I've changed its placement now I believe, updates coming soon!
You just earned a sub :)
We are, in fact, making it out the soup kitchen with this one
This video came at a convenient time as I now need an arc 12p shotgun to pair with the Song of IrYut (previously was using basso and commemoration)
It’ll go great with the banner of war build. I was worried because the best in slot shotgun was from gambit (I refuse to play it) but seeing xenoclast is also worth it is nice
Graverobber + 1-2 punch xeno is my arc hunter baby
bro just ended the winter arc and is now in full season 2
As a certified gambit enjoyer I’ve been telling everyone dead weight is good but no one is willing to grind it with me
kinda surprised you didn't give any bonus to enhanced 1-2p. being able to hit 2 fewer pellets goes a long way when doing things like grapple melee chains
I mentioned it briefly on one of the shotguns I think but it's a nice to have yeah
Me seeing this video and sobbing in "I need an Energy 1-2 Punch Shotgun" and seeing the current Shotty I'm using in C-tier
Xenoclast is right there!
I'm curious, it sounds like you recommend double aggressive over lightweight for tractor, but I haven't caught in any of your videos why that is preferred? Appreciate all your effort in these areas!
123 agg swaps = higher DPS than 1212 lw swaps
Nice, thank you! Time to scrounge up whatever energy vorpal aggressive I can find!
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I think that one thing to think about with one small step is osmosis for surge stacking purposes. Very niche, but could be interesting.
Osmosis doesn't persist post-swap and nade on the shotgun means no nade on the heavy and uptime isn't that high either
@TheAegisRelic that's fair.
I was thinking it might have potential as a tractor warlock with the final shape solar super and rain of fire.
Something like
Boop
Swap to one small step
Nade, pop super, Mag dump
Swap to ikelos for cascade point
Icarus dash and boop
Swap to one small step and nade
And so on.
Probably not top tier and we have to wait for final shape to try it, but definitely an interesting and unique concept.
Any chance you're sleeping on Overflow as a reload perk? I was rocking it on Until Its Return during the day one, with the amount of bricks around it felt perfect to nuke a wizard or a knight real fast, and it had practically 100% uptime. I realize that requiring you to run over a brick (Shoot to Loot doesn't proc it, right?) makes it worse than auto-loading though
Envious is nice for allowing you to have your entire reserves loaded
It's okay but I didn't give it nearly as much value as ALH and more traditional reload perks
@@TheAegisRelic dont have to reload if literally your whole reserves fit in the mag
I'm talking about Overflow not Envious
@@TheAegisRelic my apologies lmao.
Quick question - why is one two punch best on rapid fire frames? Aren’t you using your melee after every shot, so you’d want the highest damage per shot since your rate of fire is limited by the melee animation?
Highest number of shots in ammo-sensitive activities
amazing vid thx for all tge great info
Envious assassin is pretty godly rn
Maybe you already answered this question (if yes I'm sorry 😅) but for dps I'm most of the time the one who plays tractor and if you play tractor and wanna play slug swapping, isn't nessa the way to go? Because of its void affinity. Or is there a better one?
There are basically zero bosses where you're using slug over pellet now but yeah Nessa is best slug for Tractor slug swapping
On your Spreadsheet singles tab. Sojourners is highest DPS legendary shotgun. I thought you said that rapid fires or aggressive were the best archetype? Or am I misunderstanding the spreadsheet?
That's probably with Surrounded
hey Aegis. Can you make a tier list about ranking all most popular builds for each subclass?
Yeah it's in the works at some point
Great video!!! Wondering, what's your go-to pair of shottys for boss swap dps? Also, if you add in exotic shotguns like conditional finality with it's almost 100 handling and extra damage with shatter and ignite, would you consider using it for boss swaps too? second shot is solar so it can go along Apex I guess!
Conditional has a 2 mag and no ALH but does decent damage, I'd prefer Ragnhild + Mindbender's/Comedian or Riiswalker + Without Remorse/CQC
@@TheAegisRelic thx a lot!!!
No way Aegis remembered to COOK
I feel like i didnt see you mention the 10% fire rate bonus from full auto trigger system. Did you overlook that or intentionally ignore it?
Not really useful in any typical circumstances so yeah I didn't include it
What I don't understand is that on your "Damage rotation ranking" video you published at the end of last season, you ranked lightweight shotguns lower than slugs (30th vs. 28th and 23th vs. 22th) and say that aggressive shotgun swap is on par with lightweight. Then you proceed now to say the opposite in this video. And at that time, all of the top dps rotations you presented were with slugs swapping (Nessa / Sojourner tale and Heritage (like 20th and 9th, 4th ad 3rd)
Unfortunately as I test more and more results can change, which is why I try to do my due diligence and update things every time I do more precise testing. With the most precise testing I have available, my most recent videos will be what is most accurate. Lightweight shotguns do in fact do higher DPS than slugs, as my testing did not account for 123 swapping as well as better swap timings for more accurate DPS values. If you want a more accurate assessment in general, check the Ranking and SIngle tabs in the DPS spreadsheets.
@@TheAegisRelic Thank you for answering !
i need more of these for other weapons so i can finally clear out my vault
Interesting! I usually stay pretty up to date on this stuff, but when did slugs get overtaken by spread shots? I just did a small amount of testing myself and rapid fires and lightweights seem to do a pretty substantial amount more than the rest
A while ago, but attention is being brought to it now
@@TheAegisRelicThat's good to hear, sorry for all the comments, I stuck around for the whole vid lol. It really makes no sense that using the slug provides no benefit anymore. Just hope they don't nerf spread shotguns and choose to buff slugs instead.
I'm still a bit confused about the verdict on slugs. Was there a nerf to them recently, because I thought they'd still be very popular. Or is it that the context of speed running and low mans means that there's less time to line up those precision shots?
No slugs are just genuinely not very good any more people just haven't realized it yet
it's a skill issue opinion list
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@@TheAegisRelic what makes that the case now? Did the precision damage get nerfed?
It got nerfed a while back but I think it's mostly just me looking at the data that has made me realize how overrated they are
The Rapid fire meta.
Echtar is a funny boss, I found double slugging on a titan better than double aggresives. This is because you can proc surrounded quite easily, so fortissimo + Filo.
I said this then remembered: Imperial and sudden death can also get surrounded...
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