I think something forgotten was how Buffs and Debuffs used to stack, so I think a future comparison could having all of the old stacking rules included with what we have now (eg. well + bubble + empowering melee + tether + surges + Foe for older metas)
Throwing hammer was genuinely one of the most fun things I ever messed around with. Shield bash was also fun but it felt more fun to chain the abilities infinitely with Hoil instead.
I love how in-depth you go with these for theorycrafters and others alike like me. I've been coming back to this constantly over the past 1-2 months, hopefully you keep updating it
I really appreciate the work and testing you do. With how vague destiny is with "weapon impact" instead of actual numbers and "boost weapon damage" without shown percentages to weird rounding and boss coding and everything in between, its very helpful and important to know how and why the damage is what it is in game. You've done an incredible job helping understand the stuff bungie never explains.
One thing to note about Swarm of the Raven is that it was meta at a time period where it was an aggressive frame, and not rapid fire frame. Going into Season 10, they changed all aggressive frame heavy GLs into rapid fire frames, and removed the aggressive frame archetype for heavy GLs. They did this because aggressive frames had the rate of fire of rapid fire frames, but had the damage of adaptive frames. This meant there was no reason to use rapid fire or adaptive frame heavy GLs.
@@jonahbrown5669 Not as easy as it used to be. I know it can be done with ophidians or dragon shadow but it used to be available on all classes without an exotic.
Dude you have such a great style of content that nobody else even comes close to, watching you go from niche community member to growing youtuber is awesome
As someone that has been playing since D1 Dark Below huge respect for starting at beyond light and understanding the game so well you put in the work fr
This video was very nostalgic. Thank you for bringing me back and spending all the time u did on this video. You after the few videos I've seen are my favorite destiny content creator.
I started playing since Destiny 1 - played Destiny 2 since release, pausing for a few months here or there, and my favourite meta was the quick swapping of eater of worlds. It felt like driving a manual car - lots of buttons to press and get right to do it correctly. Good fun! Also wanted to point out how godly you are with that many raid clears - my most cleared raid was Prestige Leviathan at 38 clears!
I think it the fact that all you had to do was stick something with anarchy and spam fire mountaintop in a well with really insanely good ammo efficiency allowing use against literally anything in the game that made it my all time most busted loadout. It was better than everything else and better by a mile.
I think either a video about, or a column ranking ease of use for some of the better damage rotations would be pretty cool. It'd be sweet to find an lfg (especially sherpas), judge their skill from the opening, then suggest damage loadouts based on that. Also I wanna do good damage, but I only want to sweat a little ;P
I miss the melee builds so much. Some things that might change the values a bit that came into mind: -Pre-nerf 1-2 punch was 4.5x damage against boss combatants for your melee. -There was a bug where you could swap from Wormgod Caress to Synthoceps and keep both of their damage buffs at the same time. -There was another bug that allowed you to "Two-Four Punch" where if you shot 2 1-2 punch shotguns fast enough after each other they would stack and gives a 20.25x damage boost to bosses. -IIRC Banner of War doesn't work with throwing hammer right now (but before the "ranged melee" changes it would work with it just as 1-2 punch doesnt work with hammer right now but it used to in the past). -Pre-Shadowkeep but after Warmind, weapon buffs stacked mutiplicatively infinitely so with the current sandbox and previous sandboxes mixed with all the different types of buffs their damage would be astronomically higher. -When released, Witherhoard would instakill bosses on occasion if 6 people shot the boss at the same time, doing seemingly infinite damage. -When released Winterbite would do around 2 million DPS if you Alt+F4 as it was reaching a target. -When released, if 6 Shadebinder Warlocks did their right click super attack on a frozen at the same time it would instantly kill them doing seemingly infinite damage. -When released, Blight Ranger had a bug where you could transfer its 6.5x damage to weapons.
I’d be interested in hearing about the recent crafting bug. Wouldn’t call it a “meta” exactly, because of how short it was. But i’d be interested in learning the math on some of those, like aggressive frame retrofit escapade.
I have been trying to get a god roll Swarm of the Raven from Iron banner this entire week just to honour it's legacy. Also you forgot the Outbreak Perfected meta when rift/barricade auto loading was still a thing. Swarm + Outbreak was a popular combo back then because Swarm did massive heavy damage and Outbreak as a primary used to easily do a few million points of damage pretty quickly.
Holy shit dude, as a casual this is all so fascinating to me. Really helps me understand what we are truly capable of in this game, even if i may never execute one of these rotations with a reliable fireteam. I'll just stick to good ol'ghally, well, and rockets, and go for that reliable two - three phase lol. But great job man, i love your passion for this and i hope you see much success.
Ah I remember hearing about the Swarm of the Raven strats for Gahlran, but never got around to doing the raid. Good memories of the Guillotine shenanigans though. Throw on Oppressive Darkness, equip Witherhoard + Gnawing Hunger + Guillotine, and its the Season of Arrivals special haha. Looked like a field of purple dots showing up on Io during Contact. Then it got nerfed, Beyond Light launched and The Lament said "Round 2". Good times.
from my understanding, starfire was never good burst damage. it was infinite total damage. it let you keep going and dumping rockets and high damage grenades basically forever. that's not really needed now, due to insane rocket power creep
@@deadchannelfrom2018i mean, he's not wrong. Total damage was in theory, infinite, however the DPS of it was absolute trash. The only reason it was even viable in DPS rotations is because demo would allow you to substitute reloads with a little bit extra damage. On its own though, it was terrible.
Its pretty crazy everytime i hear something considered “old” and going “wait i did that!” I’m finally aging xd. I’ll give a sub for the cool calculations.
Surprisingly, Thunderlord did have its time as one of the best! It was very short, though. After Festival of the Lost during Season of the Forge, it was on top with Hammerhead (the only 2 machine guns at the time), SOLELY because of its ammo and being heavy, along with pre-nerf Lunafaction Boots/Rally Barricade. This was before Thunderlord was buffed to proc lightning bolts more frequently years later. But it quickly ended once more people started acquiring Swarm of the Raven, Anarchy, Whisper, Sleeper and other better options and strats were found
izanagi is my favorite exotic on the knetic slot outside of outbreak and d1 mytho, i guess you know where my oppinion sits regarding of which dps meta was my favorite
Wasn't Thunderlord pretty passable way, way back in Forsaken before they nerfed MG boss damage, when Lunafactions continuously reloaded? I remember it ate a pretty fat nerf, and other options weren't that great back then. It was probably notably better than circa-RoN Thunderlord at least.
Ikelos shotgun was the strongest dps meta in the game. The difference was infinite buff stacking meant you could get like a 1000% damage increase (assuming hammer 1 shot bonk doesn’t count)
@@TheAegisRelic well if you apply infinite buff stacking to other things yes, but I doubt any weapon in the game rn could go back to someone like val and kill him in .3s not even coil could do that
Just wondering if you ever checked the original whisper of the worm dmg. Obv the total dmg is infinite so was just curious how it would have played out
-Warlock exclusive sword -Banner of War !galaxybrain Also, hot take… They need to bring back a bunch of old seasonal mods for Final Shape. Classy Restoration, Particle Deconstruction, Solo Operative, etc
okay, imagine retrofit with old volatile rounds, old lunafaction, old divinity, well, old tractor+deadfall stacked, and witherhoard. your dps would be so ridiculous if you had the smallest possible magazine on retrofit
Year one was a lawless wasteland. Graviton Lance two tapped supers and had 98% aim assist in season 3. Over all supers were really the main dps source, until ikelos shotgun came out. Back then shotguns were in the heavy slot. So it was not a practical at all. Simple times tho lmao Edit: completely forgot about whisper of the worm. One of the most broken guns in Destiny history initially
I think something forgotten was how Buffs and Debuffs used to stack, so I think a future comparison could having all of the old stacking rules included with what we have now (eg. well + bubble + empowering melee + tether + surges + Foe for older metas)
The forsaken year was unhinged 😂 shit was so broken fun asf but so broken
It wasn't forgotten as it was shown on screen for some combos.
Miss melting point + bubble in d1
@@oNextqseason or the drifter was one if the funniest just because of that. Well + empowering melee + infinite nova bombs + infinite tether
You’re doing incredible work for both yourself and the community. Thank you. It is greatly appreciated
I think the other big thing for swarm of the raven was spike nades, it didn’t matter what other perks it had as long as it had that.
Yeah of course I kind of glazed over that thinking it was implied since it's not a standard damage perk
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this aged well
“Weapon Craft Glitch has entered the chat”
Throwing hammer was genuinely one of the most fun things I ever messed around with. Shield bash was also fun but it felt more fun to chain the abilities infinitely with Hoil instead.
I love how in-depth you go with these for theorycrafters and others alike like me. I've been coming back to this constantly over the past 1-2 months, hopefully you keep updating it
The speed at which I clicked on this notification
Relatable asf
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It just teleported to my hand💀
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Literally one of the best channels in the community, well done!
I really appreciate the work and testing you do. With how vague destiny is with "weapon impact" instead of actual numbers and "boost weapon damage" without shown percentages to weird rounding and boss coding and everything in between, its very helpful and important to know how and why the damage is what it is in game. You've done an incredible job helping understand the stuff bungie never explains.
One thing to note about Swarm of the Raven is that it was meta at a time period where it was an aggressive frame, and not rapid fire frame. Going into Season 10, they changed all aggressive frame heavy GLs into rapid fire frames, and removed the aggressive frame archetype for heavy GLs. They did this because aggressive frames had the rate of fire of rapid fire frames, but had the damage of adaptive frames. This meant there was no reason to use rapid fire or adaptive frame heavy GLs.
Yep that's why I used the rapid fire rate numbers but the scaled Swarm damage :P thanks for the insight
Slight correction: Rapid fire frames entirely never existed until the nerf. Meaning there was only Adaptive and Aggresive
Double slug anarchy quick swapping was my favorite. I really wish they would bring that back as an option.
You can still quickswap slugs
@@jonahbrown5669 you can swap back and forth between 2 slugs. that's not quickswapping
@@jonahbrown5669 Not as easy as it used to be. I know it can be done with ophidians or dragon shadow but it used to be available on all classes without an exotic.
you can just run heritage and nessa's with reconstruction. just fire all heritage, fire all nessas, repeat
@@blufferoniandcheese3628 That's boring. Learning to quick swap and executing it felt cool.
This is super well made. I appreciate your dedication and attention to all the right details you made in this video
I remember the days when you would shoot a rocket at the ground right under the boss’s feet and the cluster bombs would give it crazy damage
Dude you have such a great style of content that nobody else even comes close to, watching you go from niche community member to growing youtuber is awesome
As someone that has been playing since D1 Dark Below huge respect for starting at beyond light and understanding the game so well you put in the work fr
A true gamer right here
This video was very nostalgic. Thank you for bringing me back and spending all the time u did on this video. You after the few videos I've seen are my favorite destiny content creator.
10:00 so glad to see some bili bili acknowledgement.
I started playing since Destiny 1 - played Destiny 2 since release, pausing for a few months here or there, and my favourite meta was the quick swapping of eater of worlds. It felt like driving a manual car - lots of buttons to press and get right to do it correctly. Good fun! Also wanted to point out how godly you are with that many raid clears - my most cleared raid was Prestige Leviathan at 38 clears!
Really appreciate how in depth you go with your vids keep it up bro
This channel is absolutely gold. Thank you so much for posting
You and Llama are my absolute favorite d2 youtubers rn you guys are killing it keep it up i love these vids
I think it the fact that all you had to do was stick something with anarchy and spam fire mountaintop in a well with really insanely good ammo efficiency allowing use against literally anything in the game that made it my all time most busted loadout. It was better than everything else and better by a mile.
I think either a video about, or a column ranking ease of use for some of the better damage rotations would be pretty cool. It'd be sweet to find an lfg (especially sherpas), judge their skill from the opening, then suggest damage loadouts based on that.
Also I wanna do good damage, but I only want to sweat a little ;P
Yeah there's something coming down the pipeline for that :)
Loved the video, your format, explanation style and voice make your videos so nice and easy to watch. Thanks for being the GOAT of the D2 end game
Came from the first stream you did on making this vid nice work brother
I miss the melee builds so much.
Some things that might change the values a bit that came into mind:
-Pre-nerf 1-2 punch was 4.5x damage against boss combatants for your melee.
-There was a bug where you could swap from Wormgod Caress to Synthoceps and keep both of their damage buffs at the same time.
-There was another bug that allowed you to "Two-Four Punch" where if you shot 2 1-2 punch shotguns fast enough after each other they would stack and gives a 20.25x damage boost to bosses.
-IIRC Banner of War doesn't work with throwing hammer right now (but before the "ranged melee" changes it would work with it just as 1-2 punch doesnt work with hammer right now but it used to in the past).
-Pre-Shadowkeep but after Warmind, weapon buffs stacked mutiplicatively infinitely so with the current sandbox and previous sandboxes mixed with all the different types of buffs their damage would be astronomically higher.
-When released, Witherhoard would instakill bosses on occasion if 6 people shot the boss at the same time, doing seemingly infinite damage.
-When released Winterbite would do around 2 million DPS if you Alt+F4 as it was reaching a target.
-When released, if 6 Shadebinder Warlocks did their right click super attack on a frozen at the same time it would instantly kill them doing seemingly infinite damage.
-When released, Blight Ranger had a bug where you could transfer its 6.5x damage to weapons.
i think banner of war does work with thrown melees, 1-2 is the buff that doesn't currently stack with them
Okay this is too much cooking help
I’d be interested in hearing about the recent crafting bug. Wouldn’t call it a “meta” exactly, because of how short it was. But i’d be interested in learning the math on some of those, like aggressive frame retrofit escapade.
Yeah I might add it to the sheet
200% amazing video its so good to see as a new player
I have been trying to get a god roll Swarm of the Raven from Iron banner this entire week just to honour it's legacy. Also you forgot the Outbreak Perfected meta when rift/barricade auto loading was still a thing. Swarm + Outbreak was a popular combo back then because Swarm did massive heavy damage and Outbreak as a primary used to easily do a few million points of damage pretty quickly.
Appreciate all your hard work 💜 great vid
Bro I love your vids, they're so informative keep it up :D
sick video totally forgot about izanagis nerfs very good trip down memory lane
Been watching for a minute and can say that I trust you with your evidence it has help me become a better player
Holy shit dude, as a casual this is all so fascinating to me. Really helps me understand what we are truly capable of in this game, even if i may never execute one of these rotations with a reliable fireteam. I'll just stick to good ol'ghally, well, and rockets, and go for that reliable two - three phase lol. But great job man, i love your passion for this and i hope you see much success.
Jesus Christ the last two are beyond lore accurate
Your content is a dream for nerds like me, thank you for doing such great work for the community
Great video kinda knew that would be at the end.
Aegis has quickly become a combination of Ehroar numbers and builds, and Datto “new vid new personality for the month”
thank you for this nostalgic ride❤️
This was a fun trip down memory lane
This is pretty awesome. Im a smidge sad you forgot liars handshake
this has to be the best endgame channel on here
Double slugs was so fun i miss it
I think we can safely say the Craftening was the strongest DPS meta of all time now. xD
Ah I remember hearing about the Swarm of the Raven strats for Gahlran, but never got around to doing the raid.
Good memories of the Guillotine shenanigans though. Throw on Oppressive Darkness, equip Witherhoard + Gnawing Hunger + Guillotine, and its the Season of Arrivals special haha. Looked like a field of purple dots showing up on Io during Contact. Then it got nerfed, Beyond Light launched and The Lament said "Round 2".
Good times.
surprised that none of the old starfire protocol rotations made the list tbh, they were pretty crazy for a while.
Starfire from Haunted until nerf was actually vastly overrated, you can check my damage rotation ranking video for more details on that
from my understanding, starfire was never good burst damage. it was infinite total damage. it let you keep going and dumping rockets and high damage grenades basically forever. that's not really needed now, due to insane rocket power creep
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@@TheAegisRelicyou’ve been right about everything EXCEPT this comment.
@@deadchannelfrom2018i mean, he's not wrong. Total damage was in theory, infinite, however the DPS of it was absolute trash. The only reason it was even viable in DPS rotations is because demo would allow you to substitute reloads with a little bit extra damage. On its own though, it was terrible.
Thank you for the great work! Truly increadible
The scientific mind you demonstrated in constructing this video is amazing. Please keep it up.
new Aegis video the day is saved
Wake up babe, new Aegis video
This was a fun blast to the past
I've been playing since day 1 d1 and oh boy this made me happy
The way you pronounce Cold Comfort is so satisfying
ive been here since the last third of season of the hunt, i only just got duality before it ended, things changed a lot
Its pretty crazy everytime i hear something considered “old” and going “wait i did that!” I’m finally aging xd. I’ll give a sub for the cool calculations.
Surprisingly, Thunderlord did have its time as one of the best! It was very short, though. After Festival of the Lost during Season of the Forge, it was on top with Hammerhead (the only 2 machine guns at the time), SOLELY because of its ammo and being heavy, along with pre-nerf Lunafaction Boots/Rally Barricade. This was before Thunderlord was buffed to proc lightning bolts more frequently years later. But it quickly ended once more people started acquiring Swarm of the Raven, Anarchy, Whisper, Sleeper and other better options and strats were found
Yeah from what I understand it had a very brief stint and people quickly found better options
I remember getting izanagis burden catalyst around the same time I got enhanced sniper loader. It was one of my favorite weapons
I miss the volatile thing with retrofit, was alot of fun
Sorta weird how so many different buffs made it into this video except warlock empower melee was excluded.
I was bound to miss something :sob:
remember when whisper had infinite ammo? most chill dps meta, just point and click forever
do you have a video planned for crota's end dps, or one that covers dps on some options like surrounded bequest and the cataphract?
Yep wait for tomorrow
@@TheAegisRelic the 🐐
Oppressive darkness + lucent blades on falling guillotine was god tier
man this makes me miss all the fun metas we had
izanagi is my favorite exotic on the knetic slot outside of outbreak and d1 mytho, i guess you know where my oppinion sits regarding of which dps meta was my favorite
This video needs to be updated
Hahaha
Your fhe absolute pinnacle of DPS testing. Your like the esoterickk of DPS
who is going to tell him about the new crafting glitch?
I guess power creep when it comes to dps rotations isn’t that bad seeing all these crazy options from the past 😅
Great video keep it up
Right before sunset. Trophy Hunter vorpal triple tap was the shit
Offended the goat lament wasn’t in this. Truly such a awesome and epic sword, I remember shredding atrax nonstop
Not a universally strong damage option
Wasn't Thunderlord pretty passable way, way back in Forsaken before they nerfed MG boss damage, when Lunafactions continuously reloaded? I remember it ate a pretty fat nerf, and other options weren't that great back then. It was probably notably better than circa-RoN Thunderlord at least.
Passable yes but noteworthy no
Ikelos shotgun was the strongest dps meta in the game. The difference was infinite buff stacking meant you could get like a 1000% damage increase (assuming hammer 1 shot bonk doesn’t count)
It'd probably still rank somewhere in the middle of this list
@@TheAegisRelic well if you apply infinite buff stacking to other things yes, but I doubt any weapon in the game rn could go back to someone like val and kill him in .3s not even coil could do that
Just wondering if you ever checked the original whisper of the worm dmg. Obv the total dmg is infinite so was just curious how it would have played out
Couldn't find great reference numbers but it's decent not mindblowing
You’re gonna need to add the craftening to this list
Did you forget that at the time of Double Slugarchy Vorpal was a solid buff across the board?
Any chance we could get a deeper dive of sword dps choices in video form ?
I've talked about it extensively on stream and other content creators have used my data to make videos but if it's really in high demand I might
-Warlock exclusive sword
-Banner of War
!galaxybrain
Also, hot take… They need to bring back a bunch of old seasonal mods for Final Shape. Classy Restoration, Particle Deconstruction, Solo Operative, etc
Banner of War applies to teammates in radius :)
@@TheAegisRelic Ok my bad
lol solo op is back
This is nostalgia in a video
okay, imagine retrofit with old volatile rounds, old lunafaction, old divinity, well, old tractor+deadfall stacked, and witherhoard. your dps would be so ridiculous if you had the smallest possible magazine on retrofit
Hi aegis,ur vids are insane.
2man vog is fun
Is shield bash including wormgods meta?
Yep
So, has OP throwing hammer been usurped from number 1 by aggressive shotgun frame heavy grenade launchers?
Nah hammers were way stronger sadly haha
wondering where bugged winterbite stacks up here
It's definitely top 3
I’d say anarchy mountaintop when Lunas had auto loading was easily top 3
Great video! Do you think you could add how long a each boss dps phase lasts on the boss section of the spreadsheet?
I might
You forgot Silkstrike with Star Eaters when Strand debuted, I think that DPS was more powerful than Berserker if I’m being honest.
One weak after we get this video we now have a shift in the list lol
i wanna see aegis reaction when he figured out hammer dmg could have been so high
Syntho/Wormgods swapping and the peregrine ledge tech would have made some of those later ones so gross with Banner of War
For real
Man I miss the s14 slug/gl/anarchy meta
GS w Stareater then quick swap to luckypants malfeasance with recon bipod apex is one of my favorites
What about the well um, retrofit escapade x shotgun glitch, does like 1.2 billion dmg per mag
I wish I was there when triple GL swap was a thing man that shit looks so fucking fun to do 😭
Most people don’t know this but Aegis is actually just an AI we use to put out Destiny 2 information.
What about the like 3 days in plunder where they accidentally gave heavy GLs like a 200% damage increase?
Mind you that was just 1 hammer💀 and we have an infinite amount of them
Year one was a lawless wasteland. Graviton Lance two tapped supers and had 98% aim assist in season 3. Over all supers were really the main dps source, until ikelos shotgun came out. Back then shotguns were in the heavy slot. So it was not a practical at all. Simple times tho lmao
Edit: completely forgot about whisper of the worm. One of the most broken guns in Destiny history initially
I've played since release and gotta say wendigo izi swapping was probably the most dominant meta
The piss break really paid off
what about 2-4 punch when you could stack 2 one-two punch shotguns(also when you could have wormgod's carress x5 and swap to synthos)