Harumichi can do the bare minimum of giving his child advice but that doesn't erase the 12 years of *practically* child abuse; who the hell makes their child break into fevers and tendonitis? Not to mention the lack of any physical affection like a hug, or the neglect that takes place most of the time (notice how he’s barely ever at Toya's room? He doesn't check on him or care how he's doing, he only mentions the mess.) So, no. I'm not impressed about him doing the bare minimum in terms of parenting for once.
Yea I agree with this. I mean it's a good thing he cares about Toya but it's just like you said it doesn't excuse his past actions... Not to mention that Harumichi caring about him is kinda the bare minimum? He's his father after all 😭 Anyway, he's surely better compared to other parents (mafumom for example) but he's still a horrible person
Harumichi has always cared about Toya though, if he weren't, he wouldn't have listened to his son at all and never mentioned that his state isn't right I think he's way too stubborn to admit his mistakes and show his soft spots, which is why he's doing bare minimum of care and then leaves immediately after showing a tiny bit of it (like when he said goodnight to Toya after admitting that he's watched their event or leaving his room after talking to Toya and asking him to take care of his room in this episode) Surely, this doesn't make Harumichi a good parent since he's been abusing his kids for more than a decade, but it's possible to make him listen to Toya and understand his feelings. I believe that their relationship may get some good development if Harumichi finally fully accepts his son's dream
In conclusion this story really brings up the point of: A parent may have the best of intentions for their child but still hurt them in the process. Now the question is whether they're willing to admit their wrongdoings? (Looking at you Mrs Asahina) Personally I do not forgive Harumichi as he literally abused his own son for over 10 years, but I will at the very least give him a benefit of the doubt for at least TRYING to understand Toya's worldview and give him decent advice Well, either way, thank you so much for the translation Lozy Bug. Make sure to hydrate and stay helathy!
really took harumichi 17 years to barely do the bare minimum LMAO he spends this whole chapter talking like he isn't directly responsible for all the guilty feelings toya's had since he quit classical. he's still a garbage human being and a horrible dad idgaf
agree we should have not DOWNPLAYING his past action toward his son bcs no matter what that guilty feelings was there bcs of him, its not like Toya harsh to himself bcs he's just likes to do it lol but i think its also important to notice that he is acknowledging his mistakes indirectly in this chapter and FINALLY willing to fix it but yeah hes still garbage, but im satisfied the way they wrote this event, its not intended to make people apologize Harumichi (eventho well.. some people did 💀)
Im so happy they finally had this talk, toya had so many negative feelings inside of him especially bc of what he thought his dad thought of him, ofc that doesnt excuse all Harumichi did, but now that he told Toya that he should be proud of his past and that he can surpass Ken and the others thats such a big weight off his shoulders.. my heart broke when i heard toya’s little voice saying that he suffered so much bc he felt like he betrayed Harumichi’s expectations T_T i feel like a lot of us carry that guilt… im so happy 💙 thank you so much for all your hard work translating
To all Harumichi doubters, I rest my case. He's always had this capacity, It was hinted as far back as nocturne Interlude when he tried to listen to Toya's performance despite not understanding what people found enjoyable about it. Because ultimately, Harumichi sees music as a way to happiness (It's just that his elitist view disregarded street music). Toya himself said that he hated music specifically to get back at his dad and by indulging in the music that he hates because to Harumichi, that's Toya specifically running away from "happiness"
the capacity to do less than the bare minimum after 17 years of abuse, emotional neglect and social isolation? yeah you're right good for him he's a great dad
@@mochaexpress5419 Again, I've said Harumichi and Toya are similar in that their way to happiness comes from music, it is undeniable, and similarly, they both work tirelessly to reach, as shown in this chapter alone when Toya specifically wanted to play a piece again after not being content with it- much in the same vein Harumichi strives to perfect a piece. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree it's easy to throw buzzwords like "abuse" around when you have no experience of it and lessening the impact of it's real meaning. Abuse is done out of malicious intent- to malign and harm one's child. Being a strict parent is being restrictive with the intention of wanting the best for your child (emphasis on "child") because NO, Mafuyu's mother doesn't fit this category because- must I even explain this? Toya comes from a background of music and, so it only makes sense that there will be expectations for him to do that, but to say that he was forced into it "abused" even is wrong because he himself loved music of his own choosing- he himself wanted to learn music. While Mafuyu did everything without regards to herself- to please her parents for she lack her own identity. Harumichi, wanting the best for his child strived to perfect Toya much like his brothers so that he could achieve that fulfilment of finding joy in music, which meant Toya had to dedicate his life to music (as shown in this story). This is not abuse, it is the means by which is required to enter the world of music, especially classical who demands only the best of the best, it is cruel and gruelling but that's just how it is in the world of artistic pursuits and it showed, because his two siblings did go out to become prominent musicians. In short, no dream is easily achieved, and while Toya wanted a "simple life" he knew it was a life he wouldn't be content with, which is why he remained musically aligned, even when rebelling against his dad because MUSIC is at Toya's core, no matter what genre. And Speaking of art, there's this two sided coin between Ena and Toya's dad, because Harumichi specifically made Toya go through the path of sacrifice and hardships which Shinei knows Ena will have to go through if she pursued arts, which is why he didn't bother to teach her whatsoever, Now who makes for a worse parent? The one who willingly showed the path of hardship to his child so he could achieve his dreams (abuse according to the community) or the one who'd rather spare her child the pain and hardship but at the cost of her dreams (abuse according to the community) Notice a pattern there? The word *Abuse* is used so scathingly that it's literally contradicting itself. But I won't delve deeper into the complications of Ena and her dad In short, to achieve one's dreams requires grit and pain, one father did that and another avoided that, because nothing fulfilling is easily achieved, people sees this as "abusive" when the true abuse is to not let your child experience their dreams in the first place- to forbid them from who they want to be. A parent who wants to kill their child's dream, not because they see the path as rigorous and difficult, but because of selfish intent- something that disregard their child's wishes for the sake of their own- And guess which parent specifically wants to distance their child from their dreams, that's right. This is what fundamentally makes Mafuyu's mother different from either fathers. Mafuyu and Toya parallel each other's lives, (both prodigies coming from proud families) with the key difference being that, Toya loved music of his own choosing while Mafuyu didn't have anything like that. Toya's dad understood this and made him go through what he deemed "fit" for Toya to see the bloom of his musical prowess, he did it for Toya, that's his perspective. Mafuyu's mother on the other hand understood mafuyu's lack of identity and exploited it, because she knew Mafuyu won't have something to "fall back on" because she didn't have no other interest, no identity to speak off until N25, which she then began actively distancing her from her aspirations because she's going to "fail", she did this to maintain their reputation without regards to Mafuyu's dreams, that's her mother's perspective Am I excusing Harumichi's overly-strictness, of course not- but that's not abuse, I repeat that's not abusive behavior- it will never be. There is a large difference between a strict and an abusive parent, what irks me is that PJSK specifically shows us this with Harumichi and Mafuyu's mother, yet people nevertheless lump them together because it's easier to label them like that when it's a lot more complicated than that. I sincerely hope you read all of this because I'm tired of hearing "Abuse" thrown around
@@mochaexpress5419 To tack on, the pursuit of arts, especially to a professional degree requires solitude and countless hours poured into it- the sacrifice of personal time. If you want to be good at the hobbies you love, you'll have to learn this difficult lesson, Harumichi taught this valuable and difficult lesson to Toya very early on Being socially isolated and emotionally neglected wasn't the main intent but rather a byproduct which is necessary in making any hobby happen. You can't get good at chess, write a story, play guitar or excel in school when all you do is talk about wanting to do it. There is a difference about wanting to be good(Young Ena) and actually taking action to be good (Young Toya).
@@takebacktheholyland9306didn’t Toya himself say he broke out into high fevers or developed tendonitis as a result of his dad’s strictness in the video, and Ena’s dad constantly gives disparaging speech and belittle her art which is verbal aggression, these are all forms of abuse though not in the same level or category as Mafuyu’s mom ( hers is obviously much worse cuz it’s ill intentioned with manipulation + intimidation instead and Mafuyu has almost no control in her situation while Ena and Toya both still have it).
@@takebacktheholyland9306 lil bro thinks i'm reading allat 😭😭 you're gross for even attempting to put a positive spin on harumichi and shinei's actions that's all there is to it. one look at how their behavior has effected their children should make it extremely obvious that what they did is abusive and inexcusable, it genuinely doesn't matter if they had "good intent" when the result is toya spending 5 years lamenting the fact that he was never allowed to be a child, disappointed people who would never acknowledge him and tried to run away from people who would. as well as both shinonome siblings showing extremely obvious effects of emotional neglect, do i need to remind you that shinei's treatment of ena in particular got so awful that she started barely leaving her room, used to have violent outbursts that akito would be left to pick up the pieces of, and even now hates even saying his name?? i reiterate, the parents' intent doesn't matter in the slightest if the result is years of neglect and trauma. they're awful people
WHY ARE YALL BRINGING UP MAFUYU!? ITS A TOYA FOCUS PLS JUST BC ITS ANGST DOESN'T MEAM MAFUYU IS THE CENTRE OF IT 😭😭😭Cant you mafuyu fans accept other characters have bad lives too? 😭
Some people either love a character to the extreme or detest a character vehemently, seemingly unable to accept a character with complex portrayal. Their moral judgments on characters are reminiscent of early Disney films. Harumichi's strictness towards Toya is indeed evident (similar to Shinei's complete lack of understanding on how to communicate with Ena), but that doesn't mean they are irredeemable sinners. They exhibit changes in attitude and behavior throughout the story and reconcile with their own children. However, some people seem to behave as if saying: "They're not a model parent, they deserves severe punishment! How dare you suggest any redeeming qualities in these characters, you support abuse!" Of course, interpreting characters is subjective, but it doesn't mean everyone should hate the characters you hate. Take Harumachi and Shinei, for example. It's undeniable that they've done some terrible things to their own children, but they also lack malicious intent. This doesn't mean we can't analyze from the perspectives of Toya and Ena. Some people might not be able to forgive Harumachi or Shinei due to their family backgrounds, and that's okay. However, everyone is capable of doing foolish things and hurting others without malice in certain situations. Some people just need characters like Harumachi or Shinei in their lives - they might not necessarily be parents; they could be friends who struggle with communication or strict teachers. These people need characters like them to realize that "they can become better." Victims are not obligated to care about how perpetrators reflect and improve. However, people don't remain victims forever. There will come a day when we become the "jerks" we once criticized, and we'll need to contemplate how it all happened and how we can change ourselves. So, in my eyes, Harumachi and Shinei aren't fathers so awful that they deserve to be completely denounced. They simply didn't know how to communicate with their children and gradually learned how to interact with them in their own way. Did they make mistakes? Absolutely. Should they be condemned to death for it? Definitely not.
Harumichi is still a horrible parent so I don't have anything to say about this. However, comparing him to Mafuyu's Mother, he *cares* for his son. Remember in Toya's first event story, Toya's father *himself* went to the event because Toya invited *him*. If he wouldn't care about his son, then he wouldn't even go to the event, *but he did*. I will never forgive Toya's dad's actions, but you can tell that he's not THAT manipulative like Mafuyu's mom. I still will hate him tho
Harumichi has wanted Toya to happy and believes in him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t treat Toya like crap at times and has had very questionable parenting.
harumichi is not a Good father by any means, but he cares. he Cares. we even see this in nocturne interlude too . i think alot of people have really misinterpreted the aoyagis over the past three years and i hope this event does a good job and clearing up the misconceptions. harumichi, just like touya himself, sees happiness in music. that is why he made his kids pursue it. because to him, classical music is happiness. so seeing touya run from that obviously felt like betrayal. but i like how, in this chapter, he tells touya that his past shouldnt be something that holds him back. because im sure harumichi himself looks back on the days of touya pursuing classical music fondly . yes, touya ran away, no denying that, but that doesn't mean his past should hold him back. even if harumichi isn't still fully accepting of touya's dream, he still gives the advice that touya needs . the advice that harumichi himself believes. side tangent. i've always liked harumichi (boo boo tomato) . not to say i defend his emotionally abusive behaviour towards touya, but prsk has made it clear from the very beginning that harumichi does care. i have waited for this conversation between the two for SO FUCKING LONG and im extremely happy w what we got. i know what touya feels . not to go too into detail, but i've been right there in touya's spot multiple times ,. harumichi is written extremely well because whule the game doesn't directly tell you, it is very clear that he still cares for his son. no, he's not the ideal father, but honestly? if harumichi was an "ideal" father, none of touya's arcs would have happened. i rest my case ....,
@@OtoriEmuDesu I honestly believe in the Toya & Mafuyu parallels, but it's so weird that people can't accept that other characters other than Mafuyu suffer Like every time a character cries or feels like shit they say 'oh they turned into mafuyu!' I'm about to pull up to your house with an atomic bomb istg And EVERY time they say that Mafuyu has it way more difficult and it's like... man... that's the same kind of people who think that they have it harder than their friends but then complain when they are alone
@@Hyoukiri_ I FEEL YOU BC I LOVE ANGST I WATCH A LOT OF THESE TRANSLATIONS AND EVERY ONE I WATCH AT LEAST ONE PERSON SAYS "Omg! They turned into mafuyu!" Or smth like "Omg! That characters parent turned into mafumum!" THERE. ARE. OTHER. CHARACTERS. APART. FROM. MAFUYU. THAT. SUFFER!
GAGS. THIS SCENE BREAKS MY HEART. I've been waiting so long for a scene like this. i honestly thought this scene would've been done first with toya's brothers but instead it was his FATHER. i think that's what makes it more emotional because his father has been villainized by the fandom so to see this kind of light to him is unexpected. UGHSGSG I LOVE TOYA AOYAGI edit: adding this now incase nobody reads allat in the replies but this is the bare minimum i still dislike you harumichi. boy you gotta do better this isnt gonna redeem your years of abuse
adding onto this i don't think anyone else would've mastered this scene nor give toya a huge sense of pride and determination in this very same way. this may be controversial but I think harumichi was perfect for this. Toya already thought he was betraying his expectations, and we also saw him be an uncaring person at some points, but to suddenly hear that he wanted toya to be proud of his past was something nobody would've expected- toya himself. To hear something motivational from his FATHER, the father that he betrayed the expectations of, the father that he had dedicated 12 years for his expectations, the father with the expectations he wanted to desperately reach, because of that day where he had felt proud of him. When it all felt like he wasn't gonna he proud of him anymore because of his new path, his father suddenly comes in to tell him that he wanted Toya to be proud of himself. To hear this from a person Toya wouldn't have expected to say, (and from a super stern person too) it really made a much more bigger impact compared to how anyone else would've said it. toya was determined by this conversation, because it came from someone who he'd never expected would've said this. it came from someone who he thought wasn't proud of him anymore from running away. (I think he still kinda is from he admitted to being dissatisfied but BARE WITH ME.) (if he's not someone tell me please. maybe I'm just too slow with understanding.) tldr: harumichi is a bad bad guy so when he says something motivational it actually gives toya a huge impact and huge determination because this motivational thing comes from someone who he thought negatively of (AND I MEAN THAT HE THOUGHT HE BETRAYED HIS EXPECTATIONS. NOT NEGATIVELY AS HE HATED HIM. TOYA DIDNT HATE HIM.) i know that toya would've still been able to get a sense of motivation if it came from his close friends, but I don't think it would've been able to give the same impact on the conversation between toya and harumichi. it would've been expected from his close friends, because they think **positively** about him, but this came from his father, who he thought he still viewed him **negatively** , from all that expectations he failed to reach. Hearing positive words from a person he thought that viewed him negatively gave him much more determination. I also know for sure that these kind of positive talks don't usually happen around in the Aoyagi household, so it really was a big impact on him. if somebody close to toya said that they were proud of him, he'd obviously be grateful. but if it was his family, who **barely** gave him compliments because they wanted him to reach their **expectations** , suddenly say that they were proud of him, I'm sure it would've given toya a different effect than the close friends one because their background is different. ..I think I should've went with that. That's easier to say. thank you for listening to my talk. despite all this I STILL do not like harumichi this is the BARE MINIMUM this made it even worse from that 12 YEAR CLASSICAL MUSIC DROP. I'm just acknowledging him here because I loved loved LOVEEDDD THIS SCENE. but I don't acknowledge him like this normally he could go fall down a cliff and I wouldn't care (but toya would that's why I don't want him to fall down a cliff) if this is heavily mischaracterizing someone PLEASE TELL ME. PLEASE TELL ME THAT I FUCKED UP WITH THIS IF I FUCKED UP. its literally 11 in the morning I just woke up to this so my thoughts aren't clear yet. I'm so sorry if the mischaracterization here is heavy. (if it is.) and I really don't wanna mischaracterize toya he is my second favourite character I could've waited first till I fully woke up with my thoughts but I was too excited. TELL ME IF THIS WAS MISCHARACTERIZATION PLEASE. LAUGH AT ME ALL YOU WANT IM SORRY.
To be honest, when your father who is bad to you (mine complains a lot about me and brings me down and way more) is nice, you actually feel pretty happy and safe. It just makes me feel happy and it makes me want my father to stay like that.
0:16 his voice sounds so shaky like he’s going to cry. I’m sad 1:04 GET HIM TOYA 2:34 TOYA PLEASE DONT PUT YOURSELF DOWN DONT FEEL GUILTY ILYSM 3:00 PLEASE DONT CRY TOYA IM CRYING TOO ILYSM 5:02 because you’re the best 5:09 AOYAGI HARUMICHI REDEMPTION ARC BEGINNING??? yay 6:48 hearing a sad young Toya makes me want to cry 7:28 he looked up to his dad so much
That conversation was long overdue for those two, maybe this helps to finally make their relationship to be a little bit more empathatic and comforting. Harumichi does give good advice but I would wish of him to give his son some more attention and also affection, barely entering his room and not even giving him like a hug of comfort, but I‘m seeing some improvement and seeing Toya smile is enough for me, if he‘s happy, then I‘m also happy
ohhhhhhh i am ill....... this chapter hit me in the feels so hard. won't get into all my usual ramblings since everyone else here has pretty much said what i wanted to say but MAN i can't believe harumichi overworked touya to the point of getting high fevers and tendinitis??? DUDE?????? that's horrible??
Its a good thing that he actually cares about him, Im glad to see that compared to Mafumom he cares about his son. However this doesn't excuse his questionable parenting... What do you mean he made him practice so much to the point that he got tendonitis 😨
I don't know, I'm not the type of person who will really hate something because of several things, so far the severity of the parents in Mafuyu's new pjsk, and even then I don't really hate it? From the start of the first Toya event, his father showed signs of caring about him, don't just look at it from one point of view to make him hate you completely without knowing the other point of view.
That may be because neither Toya or Mafuyu hate their parents and always try to talk about them with respect. It’s also shown that their parents do care and have genuinely helped them in the past despite the abuse, unlike Shinei with Ena.
That was a lovely chapter! I'm seeing a lot of comments either advocating for Harumichi, and many saying this doesn't redeem him. Both are valid opinions, but I think this is a clear sign of improvement. Sure, this doesn't erase his past mistakes of pushing Toya and insulting him. But it doesn't mean he isn't showing him kindness now. Ever since Nocturne Interlude, he's shown enough caring to Toya to at least not interfere with his choices, which is actually impressive, considering how many parents will increase the restrictions on their children after they disobey them. Again, doesn't mean he's GOOD, but it doesn't mean he's gosh darn awful. And while some people are stating he isn't very close to Toya, which is a sign of neglect...well, that's not necessarily neglectful. A lot of parent's aren't very physical in terms of affection, but that doesn't mean they don't care. Bear in mind I am mainly talking in terms of the present moment, not the past- the past was obviously very awful, but it seems to me Harumichi is coming into terms with that fact. TLDR: I neither hate him or like him, yet this episode shows a turn for the better in my eyes! ALSO I love how it shows Toya's card at the end, with the piano playing softly in the background. PERFECTION.
5:49 the fact they have to flashback to this card because toya doesn’t have a child model 😭SERIOUSLY, HE APPEARS AS A KID AT LEAST 3 TIMES- why cant he get a model?? 😢
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Harumichi can do the bare minimum of giving his child advice but that doesn't erase the 12 years of *practically* child abuse; who the hell makes their child break into fevers and tendonitis? Not to mention the lack of any physical affection like a hug, or the neglect that takes place most of the time (notice how he’s barely ever at Toya's room? He doesn't check on him or care how he's doing, he only mentions the mess.)
So, no. I'm not impressed about him doing the bare minimum in terms of parenting for once.
Yea I agree with this. I mean it's a good thing he cares about Toya but it's just like you said it doesn't excuse his past actions... Not to mention that Harumichi caring about him is kinda the bare minimum? He's his father after all 😭 Anyway, he's surely better compared to other parents (mafumom for example) but he's still a horrible person
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When did he mention getting tendinitis?
@@Icecream_Duck mentioned here 11:03
Don't forget, Harumichi is doing just the bare minimum as a Father. It does not forgive nor excuse all of the years of abuse to Toya.
exactly I'm still gonna hunt harumichi down
Harumichi has always cared about Toya though, if he weren't, he wouldn't have listened to his son at all and never mentioned that his state isn't right
I think he's way too stubborn to admit his mistakes and show his soft spots, which is why he's doing bare minimum of care and then leaves immediately after showing a tiny bit of it (like when he said goodnight to Toya after admitting that he's watched their event or leaving his room after talking to Toya and asking him to take care of his room in this episode)
Surely, this doesn't make Harumichi a good parent since he's been abusing his kids for more than a decade, but it's possible to make him listen to Toya and understand his feelings. I believe that their relationship may get some good development if Harumichi finally fully accepts his son's dream
Do NOT think, Harumichi, i'm gonna forgive you 😤
I’m just kinda disappointed we didn’t get to see little Toya
Me too this was the perfect opportunity
In conclusion this story really brings up the point of:
A parent may have the best of intentions for their child but still hurt them in the process. Now the question is whether they're willing to admit their wrongdoings? (Looking at you Mrs Asahina)
Personally I do not forgive Harumichi as he literally abused his own son for over 10 years, but I will at the very least give him a benefit of the doubt for at least TRYING to understand Toya's worldview and give him decent advice
Well, either way, thank you so much for the translation Lozy Bug. Make sure to hydrate and stay helathy!
really took harumichi 17 years to barely do the bare minimum LMAO he spends this whole chapter talking like he isn't directly responsible for all the guilty feelings toya's had since he quit classical. he's still a garbage human being and a horrible dad idgaf
agree we should have not DOWNPLAYING his past action toward his son bcs no matter what that guilty feelings was there bcs of him, its not like Toya harsh to himself bcs he's just likes to do it lol
but i think its also important to notice that he is acknowledging his mistakes indirectly in this chapter and FINALLY willing to fix it
but yeah hes still garbage, but im satisfied the way they wrote this event, its not intended to make people apologize Harumichi (eventho well.. some people did 💀)
EXACTLY HE'S STILL NOT A GOOD FATHER HE'S DOING THE BARE MINIMUM
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Im so happy they finally had this talk, toya had so many negative feelings inside of him especially bc of what he thought his dad thought of him, ofc that doesnt excuse all Harumichi did, but now that he told Toya that he should be proud of his past and that he can surpass Ken and the others thats such a big weight off his shoulders.. my heart broke when i heard toya’s little voice saying that he suffered so much bc he felt like he betrayed Harumichi’s expectations T_T i feel like a lot of us carry that guilt… im so happy 💙 thank you so much for all your hard work translating
To all Harumichi doubters, I rest my case.
He's always had this capacity, It was hinted as far back as nocturne Interlude when he tried to listen to Toya's performance despite not understanding what people found enjoyable about it. Because ultimately, Harumichi sees music as a way to happiness (It's just that his elitist view disregarded street music). Toya himself said that he hated music specifically to get back at his dad and by indulging in the music that he hates because to Harumichi, that's Toya specifically running away from "happiness"
the capacity to do less than the bare minimum after 17 years of abuse, emotional neglect and social isolation? yeah you're right good for him he's a great dad
@@mochaexpress5419 Again, I've said Harumichi and Toya are similar in that their way to happiness comes from music, it is undeniable, and similarly, they both work tirelessly to reach, as shown in this chapter alone when Toya specifically wanted to play a piece again after not being content with it- much in the same vein Harumichi strives to perfect a piece. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree
it's easy to throw buzzwords like "abuse" around when you have no experience of it and lessening the impact of it's real meaning.
Abuse is done out of malicious intent- to malign and harm one's child. Being a strict parent is being restrictive with the intention of wanting the best for your child (emphasis on "child") because NO, Mafuyu's mother doesn't fit this category because- must I even explain this?
Toya comes from a background of music and, so it only makes sense that there will be expectations for him to do that, but to say that he was forced into it "abused" even is wrong because he himself loved music of his own choosing- he himself wanted to learn music. While Mafuyu did everything without regards to herself- to please her parents for she lack her own identity.
Harumichi, wanting the best for his child strived to perfect Toya much like his brothers so that he could achieve that fulfilment of finding joy in music, which meant Toya had to dedicate his life to music (as shown in this story).
This is not abuse, it is the means by which is required to enter the world of music, especially classical who demands only the best of the best, it is cruel and gruelling but that's just how it is in the world of artistic pursuits and it showed, because his two siblings did go out to become prominent musicians.
In short, no dream is easily achieved, and while Toya wanted a "simple life" he knew it was a life he wouldn't be content with, which is why he remained musically aligned, even when rebelling against his dad because MUSIC is at Toya's core, no matter what genre.
And Speaking of art, there's this two sided coin between Ena and Toya's dad, because Harumichi specifically made Toya go through the path of sacrifice and hardships which Shinei knows Ena will have to go through if she pursued arts, which is why he didn't bother to teach her whatsoever,
Now who makes for a worse parent? The one who willingly showed the path of hardship to his child so he could achieve his dreams (abuse according to the community) or the one who'd rather spare her child the pain and hardship but at the cost of her dreams (abuse according to the community)
Notice a pattern there? The word *Abuse* is used so scathingly that it's literally contradicting itself.
But I won't delve deeper into the complications of Ena and her dad
In short, to achieve one's dreams requires grit and pain, one father did that and another avoided that, because nothing fulfilling is easily achieved, people sees this as "abusive" when the true abuse is to not let your child experience their dreams in the first place- to forbid them from who they want to be.
A parent who wants to kill their child's dream, not because they see the path as rigorous and difficult, but because of selfish intent- something that disregard their child's wishes for the sake of their own-
And guess which parent specifically wants to distance their child from their dreams, that's right. This is what fundamentally makes Mafuyu's mother different from either fathers.
Mafuyu and Toya parallel each other's lives, (both prodigies coming from proud families) with the key difference being that, Toya loved music of his own choosing while Mafuyu didn't have anything like that.
Toya's dad understood this and made him go through what he deemed "fit" for Toya to see the bloom of his musical prowess, he did it for Toya, that's his perspective.
Mafuyu's mother on the other hand understood mafuyu's lack of identity and exploited it, because she knew Mafuyu won't have something to "fall back on" because she didn't have no other interest, no identity to speak off until N25, which she then began actively distancing her from her aspirations because she's going to "fail", she did this to maintain their reputation without regards to Mafuyu's dreams, that's her mother's perspective
Am I excusing Harumichi's overly-strictness, of course not- but that's not abuse, I repeat that's not abusive behavior- it will never be.
There is a large difference between a strict and an abusive parent, what irks me is that PJSK specifically shows us this with Harumichi and Mafuyu's mother, yet people nevertheless lump them together because it's easier to label them like that when it's a lot more complicated than that.
I sincerely hope you read all of this because I'm tired of hearing "Abuse" thrown around
@@mochaexpress5419 To tack on, the pursuit of arts, especially to a professional degree requires solitude and countless hours poured into it- the sacrifice of personal time. If you want to be good at the hobbies you love, you'll have to learn this difficult lesson, Harumichi taught this valuable and difficult lesson to Toya very early on
Being socially isolated and emotionally neglected wasn't the main intent but rather a byproduct which is necessary in making any hobby happen. You can't get good at chess, write a story, play guitar or excel in school when all you do is talk about wanting to do it. There is a difference about wanting to be good(Young Ena) and actually taking action to be good (Young Toya).
@@takebacktheholyland9306didn’t Toya himself say he broke out into high fevers or developed tendonitis as a result of his dad’s strictness in the video, and Ena’s dad constantly gives disparaging speech and belittle her art which is verbal aggression, these are all forms of abuse though not in the same level or category as Mafuyu’s mom ( hers is obviously much worse cuz it’s ill intentioned with manipulation + intimidation instead and Mafuyu has almost no control in her situation while Ena and Toya both still have it).
@@takebacktheholyland9306 lil bro thinks i'm reading allat 😭😭 you're gross for even attempting to put a positive spin on harumichi and shinei's actions that's all there is to it. one look at how their behavior has effected their children should make it extremely obvious that what they did is abusive and inexcusable, it genuinely doesn't matter if they had "good intent" when the result is toya spending 5 years lamenting the fact that he was never allowed to be a child, disappointed people who would never acknowledge him and tried to run away from people who would. as well as both shinonome siblings showing extremely obvious effects of emotional neglect, do i need to remind you that shinei's treatment of ena in particular got so awful that she started barely leaving her room, used to have violent outbursts that akito would be left to pick up the pieces of, and even now hates even saying his name?? i reiterate, the parents' intent doesn't matter in the slightest if the result is years of neglect and trauma. they're awful people
WHY ARE YALL BRINGING UP MAFUYU!? ITS A TOYA FOCUS PLS JUST BC ITS ANGST DOESN'T MEAM MAFUYU IS THE CENTRE OF IT 😭😭😭Cant you mafuyu fans accept other characters have bad lives too? 😭
Some people either love a character to the extreme or detest a character vehemently, seemingly unable to accept a character with complex portrayal. Their moral judgments on characters are reminiscent of early Disney films.
Harumichi's strictness towards Toya is indeed evident (similar to Shinei's complete lack of understanding on how to communicate with Ena), but that doesn't mean they are irredeemable sinners.
They exhibit changes in attitude and behavior throughout the story and reconcile with their own children. However, some people seem to behave as if saying: "They're not a model parent, they deserves severe punishment! How dare you suggest any redeeming qualities in these characters, you support abuse!"
Of course, interpreting characters is subjective, but it doesn't mean everyone should hate the characters you hate.
Take Harumachi and Shinei, for example.
It's undeniable that they've done some terrible things to their own children, but they also lack malicious intent. This doesn't mean we can't analyze from the perspectives of Toya and Ena. Some people might not be able to forgive Harumachi or Shinei due to their family backgrounds, and that's okay.
However, everyone is capable of doing foolish things and hurting others without malice in certain situations. Some people just need characters like Harumachi or Shinei in their lives - they might not necessarily be parents; they could be friends who struggle with communication or strict teachers. These people need characters like them to realize that "they can become better."
Victims are not obligated to care about how perpetrators reflect and improve. However, people don't remain victims forever. There will come a day when we become the "jerks" we once criticized, and we'll need to contemplate how it all happened and how we can change ourselves.
So, in my eyes, Harumachi and Shinei aren't fathers so awful that they deserve to be completely denounced. They simply didn't know how to communicate with their children and gradually learned how to interact with them in their own way. Did they make mistakes? Absolutely. Should they be condemned to death for it? Definitely not.
Harumichi is still a horrible parent so I don't have anything to say about this.
However, comparing him to Mafuyu's Mother, he *cares* for his son.
Remember in Toya's first event story, Toya's father *himself* went to the event because Toya invited *him*. If he wouldn't care about his son, then he wouldn't even go to the event, *but he did*.
I will never forgive Toya's dad's actions, but you can tell that he's not THAT manipulative like Mafuyu's mom.
I still will hate him tho
5:49 Was definitely not expecting the FES card to show up!
Harumichi has wanted Toya to happy and believes in him.
That doesn’t mean he didn’t treat Toya like crap at times and has had very questionable parenting.
harumichi is not a Good father by any means, but he cares. he Cares. we even see this in nocturne interlude too . i think alot of people have really misinterpreted the aoyagis over the past three years and i hope this event does a good job and clearing up the misconceptions. harumichi, just like touya himself, sees happiness in music. that is why he made his kids pursue it. because to him, classical music is happiness. so seeing touya run from that obviously felt like betrayal. but i like how, in this chapter, he tells touya that his past shouldnt be something that holds him back. because im sure harumichi himself looks back on the days of touya pursuing classical music fondly . yes, touya ran away, no denying that, but that doesn't mean his past should hold him back. even if harumichi isn't still fully accepting of touya's dream, he still gives the advice that touya needs . the advice that harumichi himself believes.
side tangent. i've always liked harumichi (boo boo tomato) . not to say i defend his emotionally abusive behaviour towards touya, but prsk has made it clear from the very beginning that harumichi does care. i have waited for this conversation between the two for SO FUCKING LONG and im extremely happy w what we got.
i know what touya feels . not to go too into detail, but i've been right there in touya's spot multiple times ,. harumichi is written extremely well because whule the game doesn't directly tell you, it is very clear that he still cares for his son. no, he's not the ideal father, but honestly? if harumichi was an "ideal" father, none of touya's arcs would have happened.
i rest my case ....,
Fathers will disparage you to your face and then be like “why are you disparaging yourself endlessly” 🙄
guy who’s been shaming you about your past: why do you feel shame about your past?
Can y’all like stop bringing Mafuyu up
THANK YOU😭😭😭 THIS IS A TOYA FOCUS 😭😭😭Just bc it's angst doesn't mean it has to be mafuyu SINCE WHEN WAS MAFUYU THE CENTRE OF EVERYTHING 😭
@@OtoriEmuDesu YEAAAAAAAAAAH LIKE WHAT'S WRONG WITH Y'ALL
@@Hyoukiri_ CAN'T U MAFUYU FANS ACCEPT TOYA HAS A BAD LIFE TOO🥺
@@OtoriEmuDesu I honestly believe in the Toya & Mafuyu parallels, but it's so weird that people can't accept that other characters other than Mafuyu suffer
Like every time a character cries or feels like shit they say 'oh they turned into mafuyu!' I'm about to pull up to your house with an atomic bomb istg
And EVERY time they say that Mafuyu has it way more difficult and it's like... man... that's the same kind of people who think that they have it harder than their friends but then complain when they are alone
@@Hyoukiri_ I FEEL YOU BC I LOVE ANGST I WATCH A LOT OF THESE TRANSLATIONS AND EVERY ONE I WATCH AT LEAST ONE PERSON SAYS "Omg! They turned into mafuyu!" Or smth like "Omg! That characters parent turned into mafumum!" THERE. ARE. OTHER. CHARACTERS. APART. FROM. MAFUYU. THAT. SUFFER!
GAGS. THIS SCENE BREAKS MY HEART. I've been waiting so long for a scene like this. i honestly thought this scene would've been done first with toya's brothers but instead it was his FATHER. i think that's what makes it more emotional because his father has been villainized by the fandom so to see this kind of light to him is unexpected. UGHSGSG I LOVE TOYA AOYAGI
edit: adding this now incase nobody reads allat in the replies but this is the bare minimum i still dislike you harumichi. boy you gotta do better this isnt gonna redeem your years of abuse
adding onto this i don't think anyone else would've mastered this scene nor give toya a huge sense of pride and determination in this very same way. this may be controversial but I think harumichi was perfect for this. Toya already thought he was betraying his expectations, and we also saw him be an uncaring person at some points, but to suddenly hear that he wanted toya to be proud of his past was something nobody would've expected- toya himself. To hear something motivational from his FATHER, the father that he betrayed the expectations of, the father that he had dedicated 12 years for his expectations, the father with the expectations he wanted to desperately reach, because of that day where he had felt proud of him. When it all felt like he wasn't gonna he proud of him anymore because of his new path, his father suddenly comes in to tell him that he wanted Toya to be proud of himself. To hear this from a person Toya wouldn't have expected to say, (and from a super stern person too) it really made a much more bigger impact compared to how anyone else would've said it. toya was determined by this conversation, because it came from someone who he'd never expected would've said this. it came from someone who he thought wasn't proud of him anymore from running away. (I think he still kinda is from he admitted to being dissatisfied but BARE WITH ME.) (if he's not someone tell me please. maybe I'm just too slow with understanding.)
tldr: harumichi is a bad bad guy so when he says something motivational it actually gives toya a huge impact and huge determination because this motivational thing comes from someone who he thought negatively of (AND I MEAN THAT HE THOUGHT HE BETRAYED HIS EXPECTATIONS. NOT NEGATIVELY AS HE HATED HIM. TOYA DIDNT HATE HIM.)
i know that toya would've still been able to get a sense of motivation if it came from his close friends, but I don't think it would've been able to give the same impact on the conversation between toya and harumichi. it would've been expected from his close friends, because they think **positively** about him, but this came from his father, who he thought he still viewed him **negatively** , from all that expectations he failed to reach. Hearing positive words from a person he thought that viewed him negatively gave him much more determination. I also know for sure that these kind of positive talks don't usually happen around in the Aoyagi household, so it really was a big impact on him. if somebody close to toya said that they were proud of him, he'd obviously be grateful. but if it was his family, who **barely** gave him compliments because they wanted him to reach their **expectations** , suddenly say that they were proud of him, I'm sure it would've given toya a different effect than the close friends one because their background is different.
..I think I should've went with that. That's easier to say.
thank you for listening to my talk. despite all this I STILL do not like harumichi this is the BARE MINIMUM this made it even worse from that 12 YEAR CLASSICAL MUSIC DROP. I'm just acknowledging him here because I loved loved LOVEEDDD THIS SCENE. but I don't acknowledge him like this normally he could go fall down a cliff and I wouldn't care (but toya would that's why I don't want him to fall down a cliff)
if this is heavily mischaracterizing someone PLEASE TELL ME. PLEASE TELL ME THAT I FUCKED UP WITH THIS IF I FUCKED UP. its literally 11 in the morning I just woke up to this so my thoughts aren't clear yet. I'm so sorry if the mischaracterization here is heavy. (if it is.) and I really don't wanna mischaracterize toya he is my second favourite character I could've waited first till I fully woke up with my thoughts but I was too excited. TELL ME IF THIS WAS MISCHARACTERIZATION PLEASE. LAUGH AT ME ALL YOU WANT IM SORRY.
So he does care.
It was kind of obvious that he did.. If he didn't care, he wouldn't even bother seeing Toya's performance in Toya1 tbh
@@lauren-gv4fg it didn’t look like it though.
To be honest, when your father who is bad to you (mine complains a lot about me and brings me down and way more) is nice, you actually feel pretty happy and safe. It just makes me feel happy and it makes me want my father to stay like that.
THIS WAS THE MOMENT WE TOYA FANS WERE AWAITING FOR🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
0:16 his voice sounds so shaky like he’s going to cry. I’m sad
1:04 GET HIM TOYA
2:34 TOYA PLEASE DONT PUT YOURSELF DOWN DONT FEEL GUILTY ILYSM
3:00 PLEASE DONT CRY TOYA IM CRYING TOO ILYSM
5:02 because you’re the best
5:09 AOYAGI HARUMICHI REDEMPTION ARC BEGINNING??? yay
6:48 hearing a sad young Toya makes me want to cry
7:28 he looked up to his dad so much
toya's dad may not be very good but he cares. he isn't manipulative like mafumom. thanks for the translation lozy we all wanted this 🙏🙏🙏
That conversation was long overdue for those two, maybe this helps to finally make their relationship to be a little bit more empathatic and comforting. Harumichi does give good advice but I would wish of him to give his son some more attention and also affection, barely entering his room and not even giving him like a hug of comfort, but I‘m seeing some improvement and seeing Toya smile is enough for me, if he‘s happy, then I‘m also happy
ohhhhhhh i am ill....... this chapter hit me in the feels so hard. won't get into all my usual ramblings since everyone else here has pretty much said what i wanted to say but MAN i can't believe harumichi overworked touya to the point of getting high fevers and tendinitis??? DUDE?????? that's horrible??
Its a good thing that he actually cares about him, Im glad to see that compared to Mafumom he cares about his son. However this doesn't excuse his questionable parenting... What do you mean he made him practice so much to the point that he got tendonitis 😨
MY CONTACT FELL OUT OF MY EYE???????????????????
I don't know, I'm not the type of person who will really hate something because of several things, so far the severity of the parents in Mafuyu's new pjsk, and even then I don't really hate it?
From the start of the first Toya event, his father showed signs of caring about him, don't just look at it from one point of view to make him hate you completely without knowing the other point of view.
That may be because neither Toya or Mafuyu hate their parents and always try to talk about them with respect. It’s also shown that their parents do care and have genuinely helped them in the past despite the abuse, unlike Shinei with Ena.
11:01 ... why is he talking abt that so calmly i am not forgiving Harumichi for this
Harumichi’s expressions this time around were so similar to Toya’s that they look more related now
I feel like im crying at the wrong chapter
That was a lovely chapter! I'm seeing a lot of comments either advocating for Harumichi, and many saying this doesn't redeem him. Both are valid opinions, but I think this is a clear sign of improvement.
Sure, this doesn't erase his past mistakes of pushing Toya and insulting him. But it doesn't mean he isn't showing him kindness now. Ever since Nocturne Interlude, he's shown enough caring to Toya to at least not interfere with his choices, which is actually impressive, considering how many parents will increase the restrictions on their children after they disobey them. Again, doesn't mean he's GOOD, but it doesn't mean he's gosh darn awful.
And while some people are stating he isn't very close to Toya, which is a sign of neglect...well, that's not necessarily neglectful. A lot of parent's aren't very physical in terms of affection, but that doesn't mean they don't care. Bear in mind I am mainly talking in terms of the present moment, not the past- the past was obviously very awful, but it seems to me Harumichi is coming into terms with that fact.
TLDR: I neither hate him or like him, yet this episode shows a turn for the better in my eyes!
ALSO I love how it shows Toya's card at the end, with the piano playing softly in the background. PERFECTION.
I struggled reading this bc of the actual tears in my eyes I'm literally sobbing, that went straight to my heart ;-;
ive been looking forward to this all day :3
5:49 the fact they have to flashback to this card because toya doesn’t have a child model 😭SERIOUSLY, HE APPEARS AS A KID AT LEAST 3 TIMES- why cant he get a model?? 😢
REAL LIKE WHAT
Ok ok harumuchi.. dont make me have a soft spot for you.. pls harumuchi... Pls...
save me aoyagi toya save me
lozy bug sama... thank you for the translations.... I wub you...
I'm crying 🤣
im gonna break down (the wall) ((vbs reference)))
i love toya so much oh my god☹️☹️
his voice be breaking and so is my heart
FINALLY
im going to break down
Hi
hello
he cares huh.?
OHHHHHH MY GOOOODDDD
Thank you!
i am ILL i am SICK i am CRYING i am
in a way, harumichi kinda reminds me of my own dad