Sorry for the delay in getting this out, it turned out to be even bigger a project than I had planned! I hope it was worth the wait, any constructive feedback would be more than welcome as it's the first time anyone in the world has tried to film such a big tyre test. Don't forget to check out the link in the description for all the geeky tyre info. Next video should be out in a few weeks and will look at the new Goodyear Asymmetric 5 vs Supersport vs Supersport R 😊
Another information packed video delivered at pace, with some unexpected results. I can't imagine how much time and effort went into making this happen, but the quality as always speaks volumes.
I remember the one car I had cheap tyres on it was my first car which had 68hp and 175/80 R14 tyres. The tyres on it I discovered were £20 and totally useless, They made lots of noise when turning and they would understeer like mad and the back ones were tail happy too. Just mashing the throttle even when doing 15mph mid turn would cause understeer. Then my next car had much better tyres and ensured I would never have cheap nasty tyres again.
Funny and true! People I know got new wheels for their cars, like €1500 for just a set without the tires and they fit budget tires on there for like €300 for 4 tires. I just cant believe that
Unlikely that the people watching these videos will learn anything new here. It's the people that would never watch these types of videos that need to hear this.
I was in an accident, rear ended by a Toyota Prius. I had Michelin PSS and can't help but wonder if me stopping faster increased the chances of the Prius hitting me but had I not had the PSS I might have hit the car in front of me.
Its simple...budget tyre = cheaper tyre = slower anywhere tyre... Or more suitable as burner drift tyre as those brand always famous of.... Especially when price point for cheape drifter solution...budget tyre fits the bill..since they were goig to trash the tyre not for laptime anyway
@@grocerylist It may not be true everywhere, but in the states, if you hit the car in front, you are at fault. But if you stop too fast and the car behind you hits you, they are at fault.
Most people can't talk while driving quick. You talk while drifting, in the calmest fashion. Yeah, I'd drive with you..... Great video, unfortunately, the Goodyears don't come in the dimensions I need (yet?)... I think I will go with the Michelins, as you stated, differences are not huge.... thanks again for the information!
Good to see Goodyear back in force. I have had both the Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 and 3 and loved them both. Performance, comfort and fuel efficiency all in the one package.
Same here 2 and 3 mounted on my car. The oldest, asym 2 don't know how long I got them, are on the front of my front-wheelie and felt really more slippery after 60-70% tyre life. Just finished a 9000km road trip with them, I still was very comfortable driving sporty on mountains roads even in the wet, no surprise on any corner even after 10h driving, heat, etc.... I'm watching to replace them with asym 5 now ^^
Reassured to see a good result from Falken - just fitted a whole set to my old BMW e28 5 series. Feedback and handling aren't my top priority but it's nice to feel that a tyre has something in reserve.
Top video as usual. I purchased a pair of 235x35x19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S last week on the strength of your previous review. Still happy with my choice :)
I bought a set of MPS4s for my M5 6 weeks ago. The new Eagle F1s weren't available as far as I know but even if they had been, my car is too powerful for me to be prepared to push it hard in the wet. The Contis are good but wear almost twice as quickly as the MPS4s so I opted for the MPS4s and I haven't been disappointed. The dry grip is great and they still work well in the wet. Tyres have come on a long way even just in the last 10 years and they can have a huge impact on the what a car feels like to drive.
I loved my PS2 over P Zero and F1 driven on different cars like 528 and 540, but with an M5 you have to really think about tyre choice for UK summer roads. I wondered briefly about the new F1s, about the Conti 6, but I'm firming up on the idea of PS 4 S for all the points you make.
MotoZest “data doesn’t support his subjective experience so he is wrong”. What data? Data from publications in the paid pocket of tyre manufacturers or real world experience of owners like Bazzyg? For owners of high performance cars like BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Porsche, Michelin, Pirelli and Continental are the go to brands those manufacturers choose (I have never seen Goodyear as an OE tyre on any performance car), and typically many owners (including myself) move to Pilot Sports quite simply because they offer the best balance between year round grip and wear. If you prefer Goodyear then good for you but “the data” of owners (not publications) prove you wrong.
I Have the FALKEN Azenis FK510 Also 10 months in my car in 18'' inch Wheels. It is a very nice Tyre and also Economical to Bye it. And they doing everything that you saw us in the video. Is a good choice for someone who need tou bye a good tyre for his car.
I just bought a set of GT radial Sportactive for my car after watching one of your older review and comparison videos of it. For the price I'm really impressed with its performance. In my area (Malaysia) my budget originally puts me between the GT Radial Sportactive, Accelera PHi R, and Falken Ziex 914 (definitely the low end of the tyre performance group) . I end up getting the GT Radial. My size is 215 45 R17.
Great test and glad that you mixed data with subjective points as well. When tyres are that close, it's all down to a personal preference: Manufacturer, tread pattern, price, availability etc. What this test shows you is 3 things: 1) The top brands are all so close its down to a personal preference. 2) The mid-range brands are again close to each other, and not a great deal far from the top brands with bigger budgets 3) Budgets are cheap for a reason. The R&D was done on a Lego car. Who's buying these?!
Replaced a set of real budget tires with the Falken FK510 235/40/18 on my Mazdaspeed 3 , and can happily say that cornering grip is vastly improved even if steering feel is a bit numb. Very happy with them overall.
Thanks a lot for making this great review video. No one else reviews and explains as well as you do from the circuit lover point of view. After watching your video from last year, I have decided to invest a bit more to get Michelin. I love them and I was amazed how much of difference there is among the premium tyres (I was on P-Zero before). I am sure that you invested a lot of time and work into this video and I rea-----lly appreciate it!!!! Please keep making these reviews👍👍👍
Just got my MPS4S mounted that I'd been waiting for for about 3 months funny enough. I skipped the Conti6 because I've read that they wear quickly. Otherwise I think any of the premiums would be just fine. Also immediately noticed that new MPS4S:s are more comfortable and quieter than my previous Conti3s (which both wore quickly, were a little bit noisy and uncomfortable). Great review!
Some word of advice on the Michelin PS4S; they’re not a track tire. I bought a full set for a 991 C2 and promptly went to the track. When they’re cold they’ll catch you out big time mid corner. When they’re warned sufficiently they’re great however that Goldilocks temperature only lasts for 10 minutes. The tires will quickly overheat, force you to go in to slay the pressure and cut the fun real quick. I was having too much fun and stayed out for longer sessions than expected and came back with nearly destroyed tires all melted and with worn exterior edges. TLDR; just get Pilot Sport Cup 2 if you intend to do any track.
Great review, very objective and unbiased, understand for comparison putting budget in the mix to demonstrate the spread in ability between the very best and worst, however nobody in their tight might having gone to the expense of having a performance vehicle is going to put anything less than a UHP tyre and would avoid budget like the ague. Interesting to see how it would play out on a front wheel drive like the Civic Type R - great job keep it up ...
Everyone does it, because labels AA ratings... Go figure how they get the label verified and the speed ratings... Few years back while abroad I've got no choice but to fit Rapid Psomething on my IS200... Not even a performance car... I was terrified what the car felt at 100mph on the Autobahn on my way back to the UK... Thrown them away as soon as, and replaced all 4 for matching Eagle F1 ass3. Best to present overall tires, for most purposes but extreme driving. Currently on a staggered set up of Michelin PS4 - disappointed in fuel economy... It is obvious I can't believe it. Otherwise very impressive tires, but definitely falling short to Good year's Eagle F1 range...
One thing that I think you should include is tread widths. Some tires run wider than others (even with the same indicated size) and this could mean a faster or slower tire. They all looked very similar but 1/2" would be enough to sway some of those results
Excellent video and great test write up on the website (for tyre nerds as you said). My only complaint is I now want to go out and buy an M2 but I can only afford it's wing mirror. That was a mammoth piece of of organisation and testing so well done and thanks.
Tyre Reviews Might we’ll be a possibility. They’re a soft compound too, not sure if that also played a part? Would be good if you could do a separate video on the PS91’s, as they are worth a review alone, just for the price!
Excellent review, really appreciate your impression of how each tire performs subjectively (numbers most definitely do not tell the whole story), thank you!
No tension in the hands while driving the nuts off the car reciting stats and prose with no slow down or stuttering. True multicore human. Hadn't heard of the Goodyear's was just looking to order PS4S for my M2 but in 255/275 fitment
What a great review. Thanks for being brave enough to critique the tyres accurately no matter which company's test track you are driving on. Your comparisons are great with your amazing graphs. I would encourage everyone to read the numbers as well as the bar graphs as these timing gaps can sometimes look deceptively large given the difference between first and last. Your overall review of the budget tyre was accurate as well as hilarious. What you save on tyres you will spend 10 times more when you carry on at a corner and wrap your car around a lamp post. The lesson here seems to be; Don't put budget tyres on anything with any kind of reasonable power. Was the budget option a UHP tyre? I'm off to watch more of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Good stuff as always Jon. Chose PS4S for my S5 last year on basis of your reviews of them. As I don't track my car, I'm glad to see that they still excel for the road critical (to me) things that will most likely keep me alive (or less damaged anyway ;-) ); dry braking, wet braking and aquaplaning.
Maaaan, why did I discovered you so late???? You are just FANTASTIC!!! THOSE are EXACTLY the tests and the brands someone should see and done!! I have an Audi 3.0 v6 quattro and I was looking for summer tires. I live in Germany, so often I drive 250kms/h on the autobahn on a weather that's mostly wet, and here everyone is crazy for the Conti and the Michelin. Have I not seen your test would never even consider Goodyear. But now, those are my babies for this year! Thank you Thank you Thank you, Sir!!!, 🙏
I'll definitely let you know with details! Untill now I drove on Hankook in summer and Conti ib winter. Its never really winter (with snow) here and the summer is short, so I drive on wet roads allmost all of the time. Wanted to get the Vredestein wet first, but I really will get the GoodYear F1 Asymmetric for this coming season. Will return! Thanks again!!
i bought a Bmw 645Ci years ago and it had those Acellera Phi on them when i got it. i live in Ireland which tends to be quite wet, i lived in a state of fear anytime it rained, they were by far the most dangerous tyres ive ever had. Even when driving the car slowly going around roundabouts it lost grip in the wet. in the dry they were fine but when it rained they were lethal i ended up buying new Goodyears at the time even though the acelleras were nearly new. Instantly the car was transformed. There are some ok budgets out there but Acellera Phi could be used as a test case example of why tyres should have to meet minimum grip levels to be sold in Europe or anywhere else for that matter
As ever, a wonderful, forensic analyses of that black art to end all black arts, tyres. Love your reviews. Gotta love a driver who can ‘walk’ and talk at the same time.
Again. Rigorous video, right choose of tire, good test car, wonderful test track, good measuring tools and nice editing ! More of this for UHP and semi-sliks please !
I have dunlop, i can say they are very similar to goodyear (they are the same company) maybe not the supersport, but they have same pro and cons. Goodyears are good in dry but very good in wet and in keeping good performance during all tyre life, thats why i love them. At the moment i have dunlop sportmaxx rt
the M4Ss are wearing very well on my Golf R. Far better at 10K miles than the previous contis were at 7k miles. Shoulders and centre tread depth both very good. Its a brilliant blend on tread life Vs softer compound dry grip. Less understeer in dry (fWD bias) and this keeps wear even. I both corner and brake hard (when safe and appropriate). Nothing special in the winter months when tempos are lower, Not shabby either,
Yes, it is possible. There are machines that simulate tire wear...so you would get a very good relative comparison...but it doesn't necessarily tell you how many km/ miles you will get on a tire. Such a test would be more useful to tell you how performance degrades, rather than how long it will last.
Top review as always. Why have a performance car if you aren't going to cough up the cash for the best tyres. Makes no sense. It's the only thing connecting you to the road and that's the only way to enjoy the car. Which is presumably and hopefully why it was bought in the first place. Great review.
I've been a huge fan of the Vred tyres for a good while now; for me and on an every day road car, that does get driven hard when safe to do so (E39 530i); the Vred's tick all the boxes and then there's the saving you get on top compared to the 'premium brands'... If you want a decent tyre that can give the "PS4s, Conti's et al a run for their money; go for the Vred's, you'll not regret it 👍🏼
@@mrp8173 Always depends on what car and what size it needs to be. Efficient Grip (Performance) series are superb, don't rob the wallet and are most silent in class. But then the F1 Assymetric range also is outstanding, even for comfort and touring purposes.
@@mrp8173 i live in Belgium, not really know American cars that well and what tyres you have available in your part of (i guess) USA? Would love to help if your in located in Europe, otherwise my help would be unvalid 👍
@@wtfdididolastnight HELLO THANKS for writing. I'm in Indiana USA I understand. Currently I own a set of GOODYEAR Comfort Tread tires on my chevy. 73k and going strong I still have 6mm of tread left on all tires. Rotation every 5k. In the USA Goodyear usually has 200.00 off a set if billed to a goodyear credit card which I have. Also they offer free installation ie another 100.00 off you understand 😀 The weekend of Thanksgiving in November so we will see. If the do offer the same deal the end of next month. I'll sell my e listing tires for 25 each. Take care friend best wishes to you
After watching this and for a "daily ride" the falken's in terms of quality and price are just amazing :D The only thing missed on this test was the wear rate. Gj as always.
The continentals are stickier (lower tread wear), hence the dry results. This also means that even with sedate driving don’t expect more than 10,000 miles from the driven axle. I am pretty sure mine are wearing even if the car is standing still. Been there and got the t-shirt. The 4S have better tread wear and are not as sticky, but you won’t notice when driving. Your wallet will though since you will be replacing the contis more often. Conti treadwear = 240 Michelin = 300
Brilliant unbiased test man 👍🏼 Great information. Surprised by the continental beating the michelin in the dry. I understand why u added the budget tyre for comparison but please don't kill yourself 😂
@@truthseeker8483 Normally I'd agree as I don't like tests funded by the product makers, but he never actually says he was invited there or the video was sponsored by them. But when the conti scores 4th in wet handling and 4th in aquaplaning you can see the lack of bias. I can't imagine conti would let results come out by choice that says the much cheaper toyo handles better in the wet than their premium tyre 😄
That's a really useful, clear and concise video - very easy to understand what can become a real time-vacuum subject. Thanks, I'm off to buy some Michelins.
The Falkens are great. I have them on my m235 and for what the car is used (daily driver, no circuits / racing) they are solid match. Of course - if you are looking for the best in term of grip and performance for a closed circuit the review gives you answers you seek. But for a daily I'm super happy with them.
Be interesting to see just a couple of these tyres going through the same tests on a different car that isn't a powerful FR layout (Megane RS or something) to see how much of a factor the car was in the tests. I've currently got those Falkens on the back of my car and they put the power down really well in a straight line, which ties in with the braking performance. I don't really get a chance to push the handling sadly, although with a relatively fast car on a public road that's probably not a bad thing. Great video as always of course! This channel has to be one of the ultimate car geek resources.
Fantastic video, information is so clear, so well explained, very clearly spoken. I guess there may be something like this for a more "normal" tyre, like 205/55/17 coming? Keep up the good work.
Very well done video! Kept it short and sweet and yet you could tell that you really put the tires through each test. I will probably get the contis or michelins now.
@@sniper2606 Chinese owned from 2015, but stock sold to lower its share in 2017. Perhaps a connection to the lack of focus in the company on making a good product? Look at how awful their F1 tires are...
Nice succinct video, your best yet. I’ve used Vredestein, for several years on road and track use and they are excellent. They tend to cost far less than the most premium brands, crushing them in value. Wear rates are good and they can survive 20 minutes track sessions okay. Smart move bring them to the test. That said, those Goodyear’s were quite a bit quicker in the wet and that is useful if you do road and track driving in mixed conditions.
Well then, would it make sense to have Goodyears in the back and Cont or Mich in the front? Would this mix be the perfect balance or is it a no-no? Maybe a good topic for some future video.
ht ehughe no no would be to have ps4 on the left and goodyears ond the right. If you keep it the same tire on an axle youre usually fine if they're not totally different animals. In this case thei are both performance tires with even very similar stats.
Thanks a lot for this review. You didn't took a look at the treadwear ? I had Conti sport 6 fitted by default on my civic type R. Lot a grip but very short life time (9000km including a trackday), and easy overheat on track. After I fitted Yoko v105, better lifetime (15000km including 3 trackday) but a bit less grip (especialy on wet), very good tyre concidering the price. Now just fitted ps4s des days ago :)
How would you compare the Ps4s to the Conti 6's initially? Is there any big differences that stand out daily driving? Appreciate any information! Currently have the Ps4s but have never owned a summer tire so tough to compare.
Super review, enjoyed that!!! Good to include a few cheaper brands also as you say to see how that all compare 👍 Just bought a set of Continental SC6 for my 350z, so very happy with the results.
Bought a 350z a year ago that came with Accelera tyres. Hasn't heard of them then so I didn't expect good things. This became evident when I spun out on a roundabout in the wet at normal speeds. Since changed to Yokohama Advans and feel like glue compared to Accelera.
Absolutely amazing video! This is exactly what iv been asking for all these months! No doubt in my mind everybody else also found this entertaining and extremely helpful! Maybe you could also do Extreme performance tyre test and an R compound tyre test if you have the budget. But this one definitely takes the cake
Stuff it!! I’m sold on the Goodyear Eagle F1 super sport. It came down to price and the sidewall ridge that saves you rims for me in the end. Great video!!
Big ask, but could you do this for an AWD "sporty road car"? As you state this is specific to the M2 and could be different to different drivetrains. Great video, off to look at more data. Thx.
Bravo my friend!!! As I have given you criticism on previous videos now I give you full points. This is what I mean by having medium and low budget tyres. Cheers!!
Driving 5-6 yrs professionaly, (taxi driver) in a variety of weather conditions,apart from snow..i v come to a realization, about levels of grip among tyre brands,as they re getting old. To explain my self: Continentals, start becoming a bit "woody" in feel compaired to how they were (with braking times get destroyed).. on top of that, they wear reeeeealy fast. You re lucky if you get 60.000 kms out of them. at the same time, Michelins, especially those magic "primacy4" they stay nice and comfy and gripy,,, and they go for 85-95.000 kms... Bridgestones get worst, but not as much as Conties, ,. So whould n t be interesting to find a way to "label" brands, according to their "aging behavior"?? and would n that push the big ones to consider reliability more?? if Michelin can make the primacy4, that means the tec is there.. right?
Great review, looking for rears on my M2, the current Michelin’s have 23k miles on them and are down to 2.8mm and still gripping remarkably well. Fronts have 4.5 mm so don’t want to change both pairs and test confirms I should probably stick with the Michelin’s to keep balance. Wet braking is most important really even though we all go on about handling. Imagine a wet road and a 3 year old runs in front of you, if you fitted the Michelin’s you stop just short of them, if you saved 30% cost and bought the very good handling Vreds you’ve got a dead child under the middle of the car! Won’t happen very often but if it happens to you.....
I'd like to see a budget showdown, with a couple well-established tire brands thrown in for good measure...in non-UHP categories. Clearly the reviewer has some bias against cheap tires, and it's easy to make a showcase between $300 and $80 tires with performance tires in a M-series. But I suspect the performance gap closes quite significantly when you leave the UHP market and an M-series BMW and go towards all-season touring tires in a RAV4...like the real world.
@@cup_and_cone The bias is warranted. A budget tire will never perform on the same level as a top-tier tire, or even mid-tier honestly. If you take for example the Michelin Premier A/S (OEM fitment on a RAV4) and drive it in the wet vs a low tier Doral, the Michelin handles better, drives straighter, and stops quicker than the Doral could ever hope to. If you are buying budget tires, you are sacrificing traction, stopping distance, and safety to save a few bucks. Not worth the trade off, no bias needed.
@@barkleychristopher88 *citation needed "Budget tire" is quite a lose term, and I suspect your bias is not adequately referencing the market, and excluding tires like Toyo A22, Goodyear Eagle RS-A, Hankook 725, or Firehawk AS, which are all very poor tires, yet are by no means "budget tires" to the average person who'd have either set fitted in the belief they were getting a quality brand and tire...when in reality they'd be no worse off on something like a Nexen Aria.
@@cup_and_cone Well, a proper and reputable tire representative/salesperson would not present them as such. That's their duty, to educate the average person so that they understand the difference. They would likely give an option of what they have, something more suited for the customer's driving habits, and something designed for maximum longevity. Think of it as a Best Value/Best Tire/Best Longevity situation. Those OE designation tires are put in place to take business away from the budgets by being more affordable than the premium options offered by the same companies. A quality installer knows their tires, how they perform, and will go above and beyond to see how other tires they DON'T sell compare. For example, I work with BMW directly recommending tires (literally my entire job) and I make it a personal priority to look at how ALL tires are wearing (and how they drive and handle) on the vehicles that come to me with the express interest of getting good information from a trusted source. If there's an aftermarket that out-performs an OEM, you'd better believe I'll recommend it. The good news? FOr the most part, I don't have to because BMW does that themselves and marks every approved tire with a star on the sidewall. On a case-by-case basis, there are tires that work better than others. Prime Example is the current X1 and X2 chassis. With OEM Pirelli Cinturato P7 A/S tires equipped, the lifespan for the fronts is about 12-18k, while the rears is roughly 22-27k. However, the other OEM fitment is the Goodyear Eagle Sport, which has improved traction, albeit slightly more road noise, and literally double the life expectancy. Both tires have a place and customer, it just depends on their priority. Would a Nexen or God forbid an Accelera perform half as well? Nope, they last about as long as the Pirelli's and have worst wet-weather traction, a key focus in my location. "No worse off" makes it sound like you wouldn't present a better option. If that is the case, why wouldn't you? You know that no Nexen compares to even the lowest Michelin. Your customer's car is equipped with a sub-standard tire, but there is an approved option from the manufacturer for a Michelin/Goodyear/Continental/Bridgestone. Do you simply recommend the tire that's on the car now, and throw in a mid-tier tire saying, "this is a little less but it'll perform like that one" or will you say "Let's get you into a tire that's more suited to how you drive, the climate of our location, and one that will get you the most bang for your buck" and sell them a Michelin/Goodyear/Continental/Bridgestone that sincerely out-performs those OE tires you listed? The bottom line boils down to one big question; Knowing what is available on the market, why would you settle for the bottom of the barrel when your safety and the safety of those around you is at stake? Yeah, I have a bias against budget tires. Why? Because I've done the same kind of testing they did here and experienced it firsthand. Try it yourself if you ever get the opportunity.
@@cup_and_cone And as for a citation, that is an exact representation of the test I was able to perform at Michelin's Lauren's Proving Grounds firsthand.
nice car to use, Mum owns a M2 Competition, amazing car and have sent you pics on twitter, love cars and thank you again, i always believe does not matter what car you own its the tires that are a HUGE part of it :) i also look after my tires and check pressures regularly and check mums and dads tires too :)
Sorry for the delay in getting this out, it turned out to be even bigger a project than I had planned! I hope it was worth the wait, any constructive feedback would be more than welcome as it's the first time anyone in the world has tried to film such a big tyre test. Don't forget to check out the link in the description for all the geeky tyre info. Next video should be out in a few weeks and will look at the new Goodyear Asymmetric 5 vs Supersport vs Supersport R 😊
Very interesting test and thoroughly executed! Must have been a hell of a lot of work for "just" a 16 minute video!
Very good especially on how concise it is. One omission? What's the *tread wear* rating of each please?
Great Vid mate. Love the way you go for quality not quantity when it comes to your vids. You can tell how much effort and time has gone into this. 👍👍
Another information packed video delivered at pace, with some unexpected results. I can't imagine how much time and effort went into making this happen, but the quality as always speaks volumes.
No worries, I've had the Goodyears on my Giulia for a while and my experience mirrors your review, great tyres!
“At least you’ll be saving fuel and be quiet for the environment on your way to a massive accident”.
So funny and yet so true!
Yes I couldn't stop laughing....best quote of the year! Will definitely add it to my list of quotes to use!! Great review!!
I remember the one car I had cheap tyres on it was my first car which had 68hp and 175/80 R14 tyres. The tyres on it I discovered were £20 and totally useless, They made lots of noise when turning and they would understeer like mad and the back ones were tail happy too. Just mashing the throttle even when doing 15mph mid turn would cause understeer. Then my next car had much better tyres and ensured I would never have cheap nasty tyres again.
Funny and true! People I know got new wheels for their cars, like €1500 for just a set without the tires and they fit budget tires on there for like €300 for 4 tires. I just cant believe that
I'm so glad that you keep mentioning about budget tires that they are not only irrelevant for racing, but basically anywhere, everywhere
Budget is still too nice, cheap yes.
Unlikely that the people watching these videos will learn anything new here. It's the people that would never watch these types of videos that need to hear this.
I was in an accident, rear ended by a Toyota Prius. I had Michelin PSS and can't help but wonder if me stopping faster increased the chances of the Prius hitting me but had I not had the PSS I might have hit the car in front of me.
Its simple...budget tyre = cheaper tyre = slower anywhere tyre... Or more suitable as burner drift tyre as those brand always famous of.... Especially when price point for cheape drifter solution...budget tyre fits the bill..since they were goig to trash the tyre not for laptime anyway
@@grocerylist It may not be true everywhere, but in the states, if you hit the car in front, you are at fault. But if you stop too fast and the car behind you hits you, they are at fault.
Most people can't talk while driving quick. You talk while drifting, in the calmest fashion. Yeah, I'd drive with you.....
Great video, unfortunately, the Goodyears don't come in the dimensions I need (yet?)... I think I will go with the Michelins, as you stated, differences are not huge.... thanks again for the information!
It's all so close at the top, it's a great time to be a tyre buyer!
The reason he can talk and drive /drift like this is he doesn't have his wife sitting next to him!
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My wife always helps me by giving directions: You should have gone left, 50m ago.
It's a lot like playing drums and singing at the same time. Mastering that is a rare gift.
Because 'drifting' isn't driving quick?
Good to see Goodyear back in force. I have had both the Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 and 3 and loved them both. Performance, comfort and fuel efficiency all in the one package.
Gonzarelli i used to have the gy f1 symmetric but it was horrible in the rain, good to see they have improved
I used to run Eagle F1s on my Impreza STI and they were good in the dry but squirrelly in the wet.
Same here 2 and 3 mounted on my car.
The oldest, asym 2 don't know how long I got them, are on the front of my front-wheelie and felt really more slippery after 60-70% tyre life. Just finished a 9000km road trip with them, I still was very comfortable driving sporty on mountains roads even in the wet, no surprise on any corner even after 10h driving, heat, etc.... I'm watching to replace them with asym 5 now ^^
I watched this 4 years ago and kept dreaming about owning a long beach blue OG M2.
And now I do own one 😆😆😆😆😆 yay !!!!!
Reassured to see a good result from Falken - just fitted a whole set to my old BMW e28 5 series. Feedback and handling aren't my top priority but it's nice to feel that a tyre has something in reserve.
Multi angle filming and those tracking drone shots looked superb and epic editing their sir. 👍👍👏👏
Top video as usual.
I purchased a pair of 235x35x19 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S last week on the strength of your previous review. Still happy with my choice :)
Best tires atm, it feels way better than my Pirelli pzero.
I bought a set of MPS4s for my M5 6 weeks ago. The new Eagle F1s weren't available as far as I know but even if they had been, my car is too powerful for me to be prepared to push it hard in the wet. The Contis are good but wear almost twice as quickly as the MPS4s so I opted for the MPS4s and I haven't been disappointed. The dry grip is great and they still work well in the wet.
Tyres have come on a long way even just in the last 10 years and they can have a huge impact on the what a car feels like to drive.
I loved my PS2 over P Zero and F1 driven on different cars like 528 and 540, but with an M5 you have to really think about tyre choice for UK summer roads. I wondered briefly about the new F1s, about the Conti 6, but I'm firming up on the idea of PS 4 S for all the points you make.
I'm using Michelin Pilot Sport 4S and of all the tyres I've tried over the years, for me they are the absolute best.
It's a very good tire, but the Goodyear SuperSport is slightly better.
MotoZest „for me“ he says. It’s his opinion. How can you deny this?
I'm going back to the Continental MaxContact MC6 from the Pilot Sport 4S - they were more fun although I may have less durability.
@@ATLANTICMUSICHQ Data doesn't support his subjective experience so yes, he's wrong.
MotoZest “data doesn’t support his subjective experience so he is wrong”. What data? Data from publications in the paid pocket of tyre manufacturers or real world experience of owners like Bazzyg?
For owners of high performance cars like BMW/Audi/Mercedes/Porsche, Michelin, Pirelli and Continental are the go to brands those manufacturers choose (I have never seen Goodyear as an OE tyre on any performance car), and typically many owners (including myself) move to Pilot Sports quite simply because they offer the best balance between year round grip and wear.
If you prefer Goodyear then good for you but “the data” of owners (not publications) prove you wrong.
I Have the FALKEN Azenis FK510 Also 10 months in my car in 18'' inch Wheels. It is a very nice Tyre and also Economical to Bye it. And they doing everything that you saw us in the video. Is a good choice for someone who need tou bye a good tyre for his car.
I just bought a set of GT radial Sportactive for my car after watching one of your older review and comparison videos of it. For the price I'm really impressed with its performance. In my area (Malaysia) my budget originally puts me between the GT Radial Sportactive, Accelera PHi R, and Falken Ziex 914 (definitely the low end of the tyre performance group) . I end up getting the GT Radial. My size is 215 45 R17.
Great test and glad that you mixed data with subjective points as well. When tyres are that close, it's all down to a personal preference: Manufacturer, tread pattern, price, availability etc.
What this test shows you is 3 things:
1) The top brands are all so close its down to a personal preference.
2) The mid-range brands are again close to each other, and not a great deal far from the top brands with bigger budgets
3) Budgets are cheap for a reason. The R&D was done on a Lego car. Who's buying these?!
Replaced a set of real budget tires with the Falken FK510 235/40/18 on my Mazdaspeed 3 , and can happily say that cornering grip is vastly improved even if steering feel is a bit numb.
Very happy with them overall.
Would you consider them a comfortable tyre?
Thanks a lot for making this great review video. No one else reviews and explains as well as you do from the circuit lover point of view. After watching your video from last year, I have decided to invest a bit more to get Michelin. I love them and I was amazed how much of difference there is among the premium tyres (I was on P-Zero before).
I am sure that you invested a lot of time and work into this video and I rea-----lly appreciate it!!!!
Please keep making these reviews👍👍👍
Just got my MPS4S mounted that I'd been waiting for for about 3 months funny enough. I skipped the Conti6 because I've read that they wear quickly. Otherwise I think any of the premiums would be just fine. Also immediately noticed that new MPS4S:s are more comfortable and quieter than my previous Conti3s (which both wore quickly, were a little bit noisy and uncomfortable).
Great review!
Continental are superb but yeah they wear quickly
Some word of advice on the Michelin PS4S; they’re not a track tire. I bought a full set for a 991 C2 and promptly went to the track. When they’re cold they’ll catch you out big time mid corner. When they’re warned sufficiently they’re great however that Goldilocks temperature only lasts for 10 minutes. The tires will quickly overheat, force you to go in to slay the pressure and cut the fun real quick. I was having too much fun and stayed out for longer sessions than expected and came back with nearly destroyed tires all melted and with worn exterior edges.
TLDR; just get Pilot Sport Cup 2 if you intend to do any track.
Great review, very objective and unbiased, understand for comparison putting budget in the mix to demonstrate the spread in ability between the very best and worst, however nobody in their tight might having gone to the expense of having a performance vehicle is going to put anything less than a UHP tyre and would avoid budget like the ague. Interesting to see how it would play out on a front wheel drive like the Civic Type R - great job keep it up ...
Oh you'd be surprised by how many people in the UK fit budget to performance cars. It's terrifying!
Definitely do. I've seen an M6 with Chinese brand knock offs.
Everyone does it, because labels AA ratings... Go figure how they get the label verified and the speed ratings... Few years back while abroad I've got no choice but to fit Rapid Psomething on my IS200... Not even a performance car... I was terrified what the car felt at 100mph on the Autobahn on my way back to the UK... Thrown them away as soon as, and replaced all 4 for matching Eagle F1 ass3. Best to present overall tires, for most purposes but extreme driving. Currently on a staggered set up of Michelin PS4 - disappointed in fuel economy... It is obvious I can't believe it. Otherwise very impressive tires, but definitely falling short to Good year's Eagle F1 range...
@@tyrereviews lots of performance cars barely exceed the speed limits so budget tires are fine for most people,
Might get the Falken, quite and sporty. Like you said, fit for a family car with big wheels!
Went for them great tyre for my golf R32 👍 had uni royal rsinsorots before and falken musmch better
I scraped them for PS4 on my M5 E39 and can only say it changed the feeling of the car steering and handling drastically toward positive spectrum.
One thing that I think you should include is tread widths. Some tires run wider than others (even with the same indicated size) and this could mean a faster or slower tire. They all looked very similar but 1/2" would be enough to sway some of those results
Excellent video and great test write up on the website (for tyre nerds as you said). My only complaint is I now want to go out and buy an M2 but I can only afford it's wing mirror. That was a mammoth piece of of organisation and testing so well done and thanks.
Thank you! 😊
Door mirrors. I don't even know the last BMW to use wing mirrors.
I love when the front end has a rear end to match ;)
Ayyyeeee
I’ve had three sets of Khumo PS91’s and before that, set of MPSS’s. Never had a problem with heat. Nurburgring/Goodwood. They performed brilliantly.
We were testing in very high temperatures which might have added to the issue
Tyre Reviews Might we’ll be a possibility. They’re a soft compound too, not sure if that also played a part? Would be good if you could do a separate video on the PS91’s, as they are worth a review alone, just for the price!
Excellent review, really appreciate your impression of how each tire performs subjectively (numbers most definitely do not tell the whole story), thank you!
No tension in the hands while driving the nuts off the car reciting stats and prose with no slow down or stuttering. True multicore human. Hadn't heard of the Goodyear's was just looking to order PS4S for my M2 but in 255/275 fitment
Thank you!
These are the best tire (tyre) reviews on the internet, in my opinion. Great video
Best because only? ;)
What a great review. Thanks for being brave enough to critique the tyres accurately no matter which company's test track you are driving on. Your comparisons are great with your amazing graphs. I would encourage everyone to read the numbers as well as the bar graphs as these timing gaps can sometimes look deceptively large given the difference between first and last. Your overall review of the budget tyre was accurate as well as hilarious. What you save on tyres you will spend 10 times more when you carry on at a corner and wrap your car around a lamp post. The lesson here seems to be; Don't put budget tyres on anything with any kind of reasonable power. Was the budget option a UHP tyre? I'm off to watch more of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the kind words!
Good stuff as always Jon. Chose PS4S for my S5 last year on basis of your reviews of them. As I don't track my car, I'm glad to see that they still excel for the road critical (to me) things that will most likely keep me alive (or less damaged anyway ;-) ); dry braking, wet braking and aquaplaning.
Great choice :)
Maaaan, why did I discovered you so late???? You are just FANTASTIC!!! THOSE are EXACTLY the tests and the brands someone should see and done!! I have an Audi 3.0 v6 quattro and I was looking for summer tires. I live in Germany, so often I drive 250kms/h on the autobahn on a weather that's mostly wet, and here everyone is crazy for the Conti and the Michelin. Have I not seen your test would never even consider Goodyear. But now, those are my babies for this year! Thank you Thank you Thank you, Sir!!!, 🙏
Let me know how you find them :)
I'll definitely let you know with details! Untill now I drove on Hankook in summer and Conti ib winter. Its never really winter (with snow) here and the summer is short, so I drive on wet roads allmost all of the time. Wanted to get the Vredestein wet first, but I really will get the GoodYear F1 Asymmetric for this coming season. Will return! Thanks again!!
i bought a Bmw 645Ci years ago and it had those Acellera Phi on them when i got it. i live in Ireland which tends to be quite wet, i lived in a state of fear anytime it rained, they were by far the most dangerous tyres ive ever had. Even when driving the car slowly going around roundabouts it lost grip in the wet. in the dry they were fine but when it rained they were lethal i ended up buying new Goodyears at the time even though the acelleras were nearly new. Instantly the car was transformed. There are some ok budgets out there but Acellera Phi could be used as a test case example of why tyres should have to meet minimum grip levels to be sold in Europe or anywhere else for that matter
When I got my E420 Mercedes it had Imperial chinese tires..if you go near the gas in the wet you're sliding all over😂
@@JedemPoKucamawell it all comes down to You get what you pay Chinese tires are crap🇨🇦
Really enjoy your videos, not just as factual and useful but you actually make it easy to understand what you actually mean.
Thank you!
Thumbs up for including tire wheights this time around!
Thought the same 👍
As ever, a wonderful, forensic analyses of that black art to end all black arts, tyres. Love your reviews. Gotta love a driver who can ‘walk’ and talk at the same time.
Again. Rigorous video, right choose of tire, good test car, wonderful test track, good measuring tools and nice editing !
More of this for UHP and semi-sliks please !
I wish there's Dunlop, Bridgestone, and Pirelli too as well.
They didn't sponsor this video, hence they aren't there.
@@garywillis8737 :D
Add yokohama to the mix
I have dunlop, i can say they are very similar to goodyear (they are the same company) maybe not the supersport, but they have same pro and cons. Goodyears are good in dry but very good in wet and in keeping good performance during all tyre life, thats why i love them. At the moment i have dunlop sportmaxx rt
Pirelli don't go !!!
Is it possible to do these tests after the tires have done about 6000 km and then we would know about the durability of each tires brand
No, it's not possible.
They wouldn't do the same 6000km driven in the same way
Should be possible to wear them similarly using a lab setup of some kind
the M4Ss are wearing very well on my Golf R. Far better at 10K miles than the previous contis were at 7k miles. Shoulders and centre tread depth both very good. Its a brilliant blend on tread life Vs softer compound dry grip.
Less understeer in dry (fWD bias) and this keeps wear even. I both corner and brake hard (when safe and appropriate).
Nothing special in the winter months when tempos are lower, Not shabby either,
Yes, it is possible. There are machines that simulate tire wear...so you would get a very good relative comparison...but it doesn't necessarily tell you how many km/ miles you will get on a tire. Such a test would be more useful to tell you how performance degrades, rather than how long it will last.
Thanks a lot for the Review, exellent job as usual. In my opinion, comparing to the Michelin Pilot Super Sport would have been interesting too!
Top review as always. Why have a performance car if you aren't going to cough up the cash for the best tyres. Makes no sense. It's the only thing connecting you to the road and that's the only way to enjoy the car. Which is presumably and hopefully why it was bought in the first place. Great review.
No jealous internet warrior given this thumbs down and passed comment on the tight t-shirt yet? Amazing! Great review as always.
There's still plenty of time 😂😭
@Farina Marcini I think he's a homosexual
I've been a huge fan of the Vred tyres for a good while now; for me and on an every day road car, that does get driven hard when safe to do so (E39 530i); the Vred's tick all the boxes and then there's the saving you get on top compared to the 'premium brands'...
If you want a decent tyre that can give the "PS4s, Conti's et al a run for their money; go for the Vred's, you'll not regret it 👍🏼
Your accuracy on tires is amazing. You literally described my Continentals have a snappy rear in wet.
Oh i love tyres these days ❤️
Happy to report that i've sold my 3th set of Goodyear's last week, customers love it!
What make of GOODYEAR Comforttread Touring tire??
@@mrp8173 Always depends on what car and what size it needs to be.
Efficient Grip (Performance) series are superb, don't rob the wallet and are most silent in class.
But then the F1 Assymetric range also is outstanding, even for comfort and touring purposes.
@@wtfdididolastnight 2009 Chev Impala 225 16
@@mrp8173 i live in Belgium, not really know American cars that well and what tyres you have available in your part of (i guess) USA?
Would love to help if your in located in Europe, otherwise my help would be unvalid 👍
@@wtfdididolastnight HELLO THANKS for writing. I'm in Indiana USA I understand. Currently I own a set of GOODYEAR Comfort Tread tires on my chevy. 73k and going strong I still have 6mm of tread left on all tires. Rotation every 5k. In the USA Goodyear usually has 200.00 off a set if billed to a goodyear credit card which I have. Also they offer free installation ie another 100.00 off you understand 😀 The weekend of Thanksgiving in November so we will see. If the do offer the same deal the end of next month. I'll sell my e listing tires for 25 each. Take care friend best wishes to you
Sir, the best tire review I've seen - you explain it very well, in simple terms - helped me make a buying decision - thank you
After watching this and for a "daily ride" the falken's in terms of quality and price are just amazing :D The only thing missed on this test was the wear rate. Gj as always.
How comfortable do you find the Fakens?
The continentals are stickier (lower tread wear), hence the dry results. This also means that even with sedate driving don’t expect more than 10,000 miles from the driven axle. I am pretty sure mine are wearing even if the car is standing still. Been there and got the t-shirt. The 4S have better tread wear and are not as sticky, but you won’t notice when driving. Your wallet will though since you will be replacing the contis more often.
Conti treadwear = 240
Michelin = 300
One of my fav channels, thanks for this ace review !!!
Thank you!
On my 3rd set of falken fk510, just brilliant tyre overall 😍😍
Hows the ride on the Falkens? I'm considering a set in 245/40/18 and I want the most comfortable tyre possible
Superb tire for the money, best for the daily driver with a few spirited driving..half the price from the big boys and made in 🇯🇵.
What do you drive?
A 240HP TDI Volksvagen, tyres cope very well with the 500NM of torque. Noise is good despite having had them both on my summers R19 and winters R18
Great test - but I really miss the category wear / milage - if you consider this Michelin would have probably become 1st...
Me too, but it's so long and expensive to do properly
absolutely appreciate and love how subjective and informative your reviews are. thank you very much.
I appreciate that!
Brilliant unbiased test man 👍🏼 Great information. Surprised by the continental beating the michelin in the dry. I understand why u added the budget tyre for comparison but please don't kill yourself 😂
Continental test track..Continental tyre won....but yes it wasn't as biased as I thought it would be ....hehe
@@truthseeker8483 Normally I'd agree as I don't like tests funded by the product makers, but he never actually says he was invited there or the video was sponsored by them. But when the conti scores 4th in wet handling and 4th in aquaplaning you can see the lack of bias. I can't imagine conti would let results come out by choice that says the much cheaper toyo handles better in the wet than their premium tyre 😄
That's a really useful, clear and concise video - very easy to understand what can become a real time-vacuum subject. Thanks, I'm off to buy some Michelins.
I want to see these tires tested in a FWD and AWD layout to see how they test out then!
Man, brilliant account of the main players. This is a really informative no BS video.
Thank you :)
Was hoping to see some track tyres like the Cup2, AR1,R888R, Ad08R and others
Right, so wait for the semi slick test then.
Also keen to see how semis fit in
Should have a semi slick test coming soon. Ish. :|
@@tyrereviews AD08R , are these considered semi slicks ? I put them on a Fiesta to replace PS3 and it is like a different car.
The Falkens are great. I have them on my m235 and for what the car is used (daily driver, no circuits / racing) they are solid match. Of course - if you are looking for the best in term of grip and performance for a closed circuit the review gives you answers you seek. But for a daily I'm super happy with them.
I agree - i recently fitted the Falkens to my Lexus IS-F after reading and watching positive reviews and i am very happy with them for a street tyre.
You get a thumbs up before even watching the video, because goddam, I know it's gonna be great!
Be interesting to see just a couple of these tyres going through the same tests on a different car that isn't a powerful FR layout (Megane RS or something) to see how much of a factor the car was in the tests. I've currently got those Falkens on the back of my car and they put the power down really well in a straight line, which ties in with the braking performance. I don't really get a chance to push the handling sadly, although with a relatively fast car on a public road that's probably not a bad thing.
Great video as always of course! This channel has to be one of the ultimate car geek resources.
Great video Jon, surprised a little by the wet handling score for the Michelin. Goodyear sounds like a great alternative.
Love your review! Makes me want a whole new set of tires. Currently on Michelin PS4s on an 08 335i
Buy Goodyear!
Fantastic video, information is so clear, so well explained, very clearly spoken. I guess there may be something like this for a more "normal" tyre, like 205/55/17 coming? Keep up the good work.
I agree...Fw drive test , please!
Working on the smaller sizes, lots of data on the website though 😊
Oh, I will check that out!
@@tyrereviews OMG that would be amazing. Especially with the new Yokohama AD08RS for Europe. Does it stack up to the AD08R?
Very well done video! Kept it short and sweet and yet you could tell that you really put the tires through each test. I will probably get the contis or michelins now.
what about the Pirelli P-Zero? surely you can't do a UHP test without including the Pirelli!
Unfortunately they are quite bad tyres, wouldn’t even consider them for track driving.
Nope, Pirelli quality has gone down the drain. Terrible tyres
@@sniper2606 Chinese owned from 2015, but stock sold to lower its share in 2017. Perhaps a connection to the lack of focus in the company on making a good product? Look at how awful their F1 tires are...
@@davidb6576 you see the future! :O
If your stuck in the 80s maybe.
Loved this video! This is the test I've been waiting for someone to do right. My sincere thanks!
Thank you!
I ended up with 4 x of the Conti’s on my S5 (NZ$600 each fitted!), and the improvement from the Pirelli P Zeros was astounding in every sense.
What’s your wet-weather-handling like?
Kudos to Goodyear for their new tyre looks pretty good, I am on the PS 4S enjoy every moment of driving with them in Australian conditions.
just started watching.. I'm excited already! have yet to purchase new tyres for the toy
Nice succinct video, your best yet. I’ve used Vredestein, for several years on road and track use and they are excellent. They tend to cost far less than the most premium brands, crushing them in value. Wear rates are good and they can survive 20 minutes track sessions okay. Smart move bring them to the test. That said, those Goodyear’s were quite a bit quicker in the wet and that is useful if you do road and track driving in mixed conditions.
You deliver. Great, honest stuff.
Great work all around from you and your team!! Nice BMW M2! Thanks for the warnings. Keep the great stuff coming!!
Thank you!
Well then, would it make sense to have Goodyears in the back and Cont or Mich in the front? Would this mix be the perfect balance or is it a no-no?
Maybe a good topic for some future video.
We actually shot a video something like this during the week, out in about a month!
@@tyrereviews oohh interesting! (its probably a huge big no-no, but still interested to see what itll do!)
Did something similar with PS4 and RE003s, worked quite well actually
ht ehughe no no would be to have ps4 on the left and goodyears ond the right.
If you keep it the same tire on an axle youre usually fine if they're not totally different animals.
In this case thei are both performance tires with even very similar stats.
Very good test, with honest, realistic, impartial and assertive comments
Thanks a lot for this review.
You didn't took a look at the treadwear ?
I had Conti sport 6 fitted by default on my civic type R. Lot a grip but very short life time (9000km including a trackday), and easy overheat on track. After I fitted Yoko v105, better lifetime (15000km including 3 trackday) but a bit less grip (especialy on wet), very good tyre concidering the price.
Now just fitted ps4s des days ago :)
Waiting for your feedback about Michelin. Thanks
The data we got for treadwear wasn't super accurate sadly! Look forward to your Michelin thoughts
How would you compare the Ps4s to the Conti 6's initially? Is there any big differences that stand out daily driving? Appreciate any information! Currently have the Ps4s but have never owned a summer tire so tough to compare.
This is exactly the comparison I was looking for CS6 vs PS4S wear comparison. Please share your thoughts after you've run with the PS4S. Thanks!
@@MOORESKILLZ96 only the slight subjective differences on the front axle in the dry
Thanks, and for the bookmarks in the description. That track is really impressive, as are your driving skills.
Thank you!
I’d love to see the same test on a decent fwd car, nothing fancy, just a family car.
You mean a GTI, right?
Fantastic vid mate! Very informative and perfect timing for me buying my new set
Super review, enjoyed that!!! Good to include a few cheaper brands also as you say to see how that all compare 👍
Just bought a set of Continental SC6 for my 350z, so very happy with the results.
Didn't disappoint yet again. Thanks for another great video!
the scores
handling dry 4:57
dry braking 5:48
tyre noise 5:58
wet handling 12:18
wet braking + conclusion 12:50
Bought a 350z a year ago that came with Accelera tyres. Hasn't heard of them then so I didn't expect good things. This became evident when I spun out on a roundabout in the wet at normal speeds. Since changed to Yokohama Advans and feel like glue compared to Accelera.
vredestein are premium tyres. Love them.
Great test! Love the fact you put on the tyre weights in the review.
Top stuff more of that in the future!
should see what happens after 200 miles would be cool i hear people talking the fk510's have a small break in
Absolutely amazing video! This is exactly what iv been asking for all these months! No doubt in my mind everybody else also found this entertaining and extremely helpful! Maybe you could also do Extreme performance tyre test and an R compound tyre test if you have the budget. But this one definitely takes the cake
Working on it :)
running Michelins on 335i, still happy enough
Nathan Piper same! Now just need to weld an lsd lol
@Stef I have the ps4s and have definitely seen an improvement in wet traction
Stuff it!! I’m sold on the Goodyear Eagle F1 super sport. It came down to price and the sidewall ridge that saves you rims for me in the end. Great video!!
Big ask, but could you do this for an AWD "sporty road car"? As you state this is specific to the M2 and could be different to different drivetrains. Great video, off to look at more data. Thx.
I'd like to do this sort of test soon, and actually using a focus rs for a video this week!
Excellent test and video, you always deliver, massive thanks for the hard work!
Where would Bridgestone re003 fit into this. I would love to see a review on these from you
Wow what a fun and wise lesson. Thanks so much. Gonna ditch my run flats. Got my dream 535XI M Sport. Love it. Mods next
Very good and unbiased review. Thumbs up!
Good video, gotta give a big thumbs up for the level of depth, time, money and quality here!
Always look forward to your videos, such a shame I didn't win the tyre competition
Great review! Love your website and the data you aquire, but this video was just as good!
Performance + Wet Grip + Fuel Efficiency = what? I think is Good Year
Bravo my friend!!! As I have given you criticism on previous videos now I give you full points.
This is what I mean by having medium and low budget tyres. Cheers!!
Thank you!
Driving 5-6 yrs professionaly, (taxi driver) in a variety of weather conditions,apart from snow..i v come to a realization, about levels of grip among tyre brands,as they re getting old. To explain my self: Continentals, start becoming a bit "woody" in feel compaired to how they were (with braking times get destroyed).. on top of that, they wear reeeeealy fast. You re lucky if you get 60.000 kms out of them.
at the same time, Michelins, especially those magic "primacy4" they stay nice and comfy and gripy,,, and they go for 85-95.000 kms...
Bridgestones get worst, but not as much as Conties, ,.
So whould n t be interesting to find a way to "label" brands, according to their "aging behavior"?? and would n that push the big ones to consider reliability more??
if Michelin can make the primacy4, that means the tec is there.. right?
Great review, looking for rears on my M2, the current Michelin’s have 23k miles on them and are down to 2.8mm and still gripping remarkably well. Fronts have 4.5 mm so don’t want to change both pairs and test confirms I should probably stick with the Michelin’s to keep balance. Wet braking is most important really even though we all go on about handling. Imagine a wet road and a 3 year old runs in front of you, if you fitted the Michelin’s you stop just short of them, if you saved 30% cost and bought the very good handling Vreds you’ve got a dead child under the middle of the car! Won’t happen very often but if it happens to you.....
would have liked to see the Achilles 123's in this test.
I'd like to see a budget showdown, with a couple well-established tire brands thrown in for good measure...in non-UHP categories. Clearly the reviewer has some bias against cheap tires, and it's easy to make a showcase between $300 and $80 tires with performance tires in a M-series. But I suspect the performance gap closes quite significantly when you leave the UHP market and an M-series BMW and go towards all-season touring tires in a RAV4...like the real world.
@@cup_and_cone The bias is warranted. A budget tire will never perform on the same level as a top-tier tire, or even mid-tier honestly. If you take for example the Michelin Premier A/S (OEM fitment on a RAV4) and drive it in the wet vs a low tier Doral, the Michelin handles better, drives straighter, and stops quicker than the Doral could ever hope to. If you are buying budget tires, you are sacrificing traction, stopping distance, and safety to save a few bucks. Not worth the trade off, no bias needed.
@@barkleychristopher88 *citation needed
"Budget tire" is quite a lose term, and I suspect your bias is not adequately referencing the market, and excluding tires like Toyo A22, Goodyear Eagle RS-A, Hankook 725, or Firehawk AS, which are all very poor tires, yet are by no means "budget tires" to the average person who'd have either set fitted in the belief they were getting a quality brand and tire...when in reality they'd be no worse off on something like a Nexen Aria.
@@cup_and_cone Well, a proper and reputable tire representative/salesperson would not present them as such. That's their duty, to educate the average person so that they understand the difference. They would likely give an option of what they have, something more suited for the customer's driving habits, and something designed for maximum longevity. Think of it as a Best Value/Best Tire/Best Longevity situation. Those OE designation tires are put in place to take business away from the budgets by being more affordable than the premium options offered by the same companies.
A quality installer knows their tires, how they perform, and will go above and beyond to see how other tires they DON'T sell compare. For example, I work with BMW directly recommending tires (literally my entire job) and I make it a personal priority to look at how ALL tires are wearing (and how they drive and handle) on the vehicles that come to me with the express interest of getting good information from a trusted source. If there's an aftermarket that out-performs an OEM, you'd better believe I'll recommend it. The good news? FOr the most part, I don't have to because BMW does that themselves and marks every approved tire with a star on the sidewall.
On a case-by-case basis, there are tires that work better than others. Prime Example is the current X1 and X2 chassis. With OEM Pirelli Cinturato P7 A/S tires equipped, the lifespan for the fronts is about 12-18k, while the rears is roughly 22-27k. However, the other OEM fitment is the Goodyear Eagle Sport, which has improved traction, albeit slightly more road noise, and literally double the life expectancy. Both tires have a place and customer, it just depends on their priority. Would a Nexen or God forbid an Accelera perform half as well? Nope, they last about as long as the Pirelli's and have worst wet-weather traction, a key focus in my location.
"No worse off" makes it sound like you wouldn't present a better option. If that is the case, why wouldn't you? You know that no Nexen compares to even the lowest Michelin. Your customer's car is equipped with a sub-standard tire, but there is an approved option from the manufacturer for a Michelin/Goodyear/Continental/Bridgestone. Do you simply recommend the tire that's on the car now, and throw in a mid-tier tire saying, "this is a little less but it'll perform like that one" or will you say "Let's get you into a tire that's more suited to how you drive, the climate of our location, and one that will get you the most bang for your buck" and sell them a Michelin/Goodyear/Continental/Bridgestone that sincerely out-performs those OE tires you listed?
The bottom line boils down to one big question; Knowing what is available on the market, why would you settle for the bottom of the barrel when your safety and the safety of those around you is at stake?
Yeah, I have a bias against budget tires. Why? Because I've done the same kind of testing they did here and experienced it firsthand. Try it yourself if you ever get the opportunity.
@@cup_and_cone And as for a citation, that is an exact representation of the test I was able to perform at Michelin's Lauren's Proving Grounds firsthand.
nice car to use, Mum owns a M2 Competition, amazing car and have sent you pics on twitter, love cars and thank you again, i always believe does not matter what car you own its the tires that are a HUGE part of it :) i also look after my tires and check pressures regularly and check mums and dads tires too :)