Just walked back to my desk from grabbing a coffee, I'm a security guard, 14hr shifts. To come back to a JBP notification, is everything. Thanks Guys n Mel keep the great Pod episodes coming
These nyggas get on here hyping cardi b up saying how nice she is how talented she is putting her up against top female emcees knowing she don't write even half the shyt she drop so why hate on Drake doing it he ain't a battle rapper he ain't Royce da 59
@@tdwilliams232 the constant flirting when she knows he has a woman …. Remember the picture she posted with daisy sitting on ish lap … it’s a ton of things
With the Drake convo…imagine information of your favorite athlete Deion/Lebron/Jordan/ ect… came out that they took PEDs throughout their career. Are they still top tier and brought up in the GOAT convo?
Bruh, this is music. Your favorite rapper brings out music every 3-4 years. Drake is coming every year. And it’s quality… get a life. I’m happy he’s not catering to failed rap careers
People don’t really care. It came out that Lauryn didn’t write Miseducation, you think people cared? We put too much fake stock into this shit. It’s disappointing but it doesn’t stop anything
@@londonpain45 lol true. I appreciate his tech side, cause I'm a techy and do some of the stuff he does with his music/phone...but this slobbering off of drake is just nasty.
Fun Fact: Yvette Lee Bowser is the creator of Living Single and she said she based Living Single off of Golden Girls. So much so that she says she asked the writers of Golden Girls for their pilot script and she used that script as her template for creating Living Single.
51:22 all Drake has is flow, bro is truly an actor. The lyrics are azz. Ice, Flip and Ish are terrible at judging music. Along with most of the people who like Drake.
If all of these references tracks & ghost writers are coming to light, can you question Drake’s pen game? I mean at this point, which song is authentically him? 🤷🏾♂️
Drake cant talk about the time it take real artists to release if he’s using ghostwriters to produce more frequently. Ppl gotta stop moving the goal post.
Exactly. They're acting like he has to drop every year. Real artist take their time to create and curate their artistry. He's out here pushing songs out on a assembly line and it's not even good quality anymore.
Moving the goal posts is what y’all doing when it comes to Drake 🤣 Yall talking shit about Drake and his personal life choices and how he womanizes while listening to artists who glorify womanizing 🤣
@@inoyvst6786 lol, wrong!! no one’s talking about him being a womanizer but what we not gone do is let him call himself the best while using ghostwriters, leeching off real artists and being a fraud. That was a cute but try but try another angle 😂😂.
They need to let them add the music in the videos, they be jamming out sometimes. Twitch gets cools about music and YT cracks own...we all just want good music with our content, making it a "law" to not play music is weird man
Drake didn’t provide a time stamp record during the battle because the ghost writer that wrote those probably don’t work for him anymore. Drake is not working writing those records himself. He puts out so many albums because he has writers on OVO payroll.
Y'all are missing the point: Drake is beefing with his favorite ghostwriters... It's over for the bars! There will be other hits but "nothing was the same" now has a new meaning
@@djane1006 I'm from Montreal. Toronto is one province ( equivalent of state if you in the US) Away from where I live...none of these "rumors" are new around here.
Yep, daylight came out, I’m pretty sure BEAM hit up Kendrick, Quinton been came out, Vory came out, and these aren’t even “ghost” writers. Imagine the real 👻
It’s ridiculous. They talmbout he not gonna care cause he not catering to hip hop anymore if that’s the case, why he still doing records and tours with 21 SAVAGE? Why he still doing records with J.Cole? Tell him to stop collaboring with hip hop if he truly doesn’t gaf 😂
@@0000bnkWho dafuq is "we"? I still like the music Drake produces, but I don't think of him as an elite pen. I think his pen will always be questionable, but I give him props for giving artists their credit.
Well we know that is not a fact! We however know it’s a fact that a security guard is on video talking about the fact that she had to rescue a call girl after KRNDRICK LAMAR BEAT HET SO BAD IN HIS HOTEL ROOM. Kendrick Lamar is a WOMAN ABUSER!. No wonder they call him a MINI DIDDY
The writing matters just like the flow does, Drake is described in a rapper category and that's why he's picked at. We can't put Drake in convo with Jay z, Biggie, Pac, Nas, Kenny, Cole etc. He's in a group with Diddy, Timbo, Ye etc. but not really because he doesn't do that completely either. He's some what manufactured. He can rap probably but if left on his own... Who knows what his grouping would be.
Drake cannot put “pen to pad.” Can you be the best soccer player with no feet ? Then you can’t be “one of the best rappers” and can’t write. His whole catalog is in question. Dot proved he can’t stand next to or even close to the elite.
What Vivica A. Fox said about where she’s at mentally with dating was so straightforward. I don’t understand why some of the men are trying to analyze the woman’s every word.
They always waiting for an ah hah moment for black women with standards they don't remotely meet... and not even smart enough to see she ain't really drop standards, she just answered the questions lol
Drake has more in common with Lil Dicky than he does Lil Baby. The reason Dicky doesn't get that kinda smoke is because he's honest about his life experience and he can rhyme without the whole writing room of Empire in his pocket. Hip-hop ain't just your delivery it's your pen. You can still be down if you're not writing but don't be fake and don't call yourself the greatest MC of all time. Cardi got ghostwriters, too, but nobody comes for her because she ain't lying about it.
If the majority of Drakes fans are pop fans and (you all agreed) then why do yall keep calling him a rapper or an MC? He's a beige Taylor Swift and we need to just quit talking about him altogether. Let Rolling Stone cover him and leave it at that.
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76here you go hating on ever drake video 😂😂😂😂 didn’t I just roast you on Mals shit, you wake up everyday with Drizzy on your mind lmao get a job my guy
Drake has only 4-5 albums that’s solid. I’m not a Drake fan once I understood he isn’t really an artist. He’s a business concept for hip hop. Not surprised how he bites off other ppl. Cough cough Kirko Bangz. BBL Drizzy is a business concept, he’s a brand. No ties no emotions no signature. He’s a business. You want an artist who’s really an artist with emotions and all of that look somewhere else.
There’s no such thing as industry plants. People come in the game and if the consumers like you, then you succeed. Plenty of people that “should” work never work out. There’s no formula, the consumers have to gravitate to you
@@JamesBraggs-w1w right. Wiz explained it before. The label doesn’t know how to make the spark. The artists/individuals make the spark, the label amplifies it, but the label themselves cannot create the spark. If they could then we’d never have a lot of people that we have
2:34:42 Joe refuses to grow up and have or listen to adult conversations. 2:40:04 Joe asked Mel to talk about Vivica. She talks about Vivica then gets told to relax and that she's triggered.
They were trying to be smart asses about the Vivica situation. It is not near impossible for Vivica to find an age appropriate mate who still wants to have fun, travel and spoil her a bit. Fly women in her age range have always had suitors. These dudes think Granny just languished after Pop Pop passed? Naw, I’ve seen these women have a friend (or multiple) that treated her well. The perspective of Ice, Joe and Ish is flawed because truthfully they are three old fuckboys who have sordid histories (and presents) with women. It seems like they were intentionally trying to trigger Mel.
2:38:57 Mel if it took that lady til she was 60 to realize these things …what good is she gone be to any man …she 60 and kinda wealthy …she set in her ways I’m sure and not many men of any race gone wanna put up with her!!
Why do yall care so much about Drake? Whether for or against...the amount of energy yall give topics related to him is weird. All the great topics on this episode; yet most of the comments are about that 1 segment. Drake really got yall by the throat.
All this “he too busy to write”, well don’t proclaim him as a rapper because what was required of a “MC/emcee” WAS authenticity. Crazy Ice has that stance consider Arse name his built off his OWN bars. This whole sh!t garbage
@@ninobeezy7768 is it other rappers claiming the greatest and have reference tracks all across the internet? That be the issue, something go on with Rapper X and y’all wanna “but what about so and so?” Cool, we can discuss them next, but right now we talking about what we talking about..
40:20 a quick google search will prove that wrong scary hours 3 specifically has a lot of writers on it and I’m looking at time stamp records too and he has writers on those so I can’t keep giving this man a pass
Man…hearing Hiphop aficionados basically saying it’s cool for somebody to jump back and forth into this genre and use ghost is garbage. And it’s being justified like this isn’t the basis of the whole battle with Dot. Y’all keep on with the BS and it’s going to be run over with AI generated ghosts all because someone hit a melodic pocket on a track. Is there ANY artistic integrity?? Just throw the whole game away if that’s how y’all rockin
I am so in love with this show!! Them talking about the time they had in DC made me feel like o was there, it sounds like it was a whole vibe and a time was had!!! Definitely my new fave podcast!
Never seen a rapper get shot so much bail. If all these records come out why can’t we question if he writes anything? Yes this should change how he is viewed.
@@regalsylvester I believe he writes but to what extent is what comes to question with each new reference track. But I also don’t want to hear you are the greatest in your raps and on the shop nodding and grinning like you like Mob Ties I did that.
@@andredmoss tbh when he was on the shop his body language wasn’t “yea i did that”. It was more like “im glad you like it” he didn’t own it. It’s like he’s happy they liked it but he knew he couldn’t brag about that record the same way as if he was in his bag. And tbh that record hurts cus i really love that one. It’s still good but it’s like maaan, i wish u did this one yourself.
@regalsylvester he DOESN'T WRITE, dude. He's 100% out of the GOAT MC CONVO. No matter how much you raise the goal post, the DAMGE IS DONE. Not while Nas, Kendrick, Jay-Z, Royce, Eminem, LUPE, Crooked eye, School Boy, JCOLE and the such are alive. Drake will NEVER be mentioned among the greats. That's what matters the most to him, and that train has PASSED
when are they just gonna admit like everyone else they are afraid of drake. They literally said its ok for him to not write his raps because he is "busy", they would never give anyone else this much bail.
Y’all keep saying “drop a slap”…..what does that prove if 4 years later the reference track leak. Just go make his reggaeton album. “Say he Canadian, maybe Asian, Croatian, be sounding like his Jamaican friends..” take that 💩 somewhere else. Go make Bluegrass
To say this does not effect Drake at all, as Ice claims, is not opinion it is demonstrably false. You cannot be named a top 5 rapper and 4 rappers write their own lyrics, learn the beat, create the cadance, formulate a style and one rapper every single part of creating a rap song from cadance, style and lyrics were handed to you. You have forfitted your title as a rapper, a lyricist in the catergory of rap. It is like entering a lawn judgement contest and 5 contestant procured their own lawn, 1 hired a lawn service, and hirer wins the money and title. If you want to say Drake is a great artist, pop star, I cannot refute that but to say it does nothing to his rap credentials, miss me with that.
Let me put it this way. If Drake was really the best lyricist in the game, he wouldn't even want ghostwriters. What could they even offer him that he couldn't do better by himself?
@@whym6438 Writing takes effort and time so I get the appeal. The issue to me is he's been jacking songs since his 2nd album so how far back and how much has he been taking other people's songs. Also constantly jacking songs and flows is going to make his pen lazy and weak, if it wasn't already.
50:16 Jesus Christ, the death of hip hop is real. I don't want to hear about the culture from these arse clowns defending Drake. Drake does hip hop. Came through with hip hop, made his career in hip hop. You rap, you write. Non negotiable. Joe and the rest of them should be outraged. Drake can never be In the conversation again.
At 1:47:11, Flip is trying to explain the issues of Joe’s ways and how unfair they are. Hot take, I think Flip doesn’t have the words to truly say…Joe is a home wrecker. Hear me out. No, not in the traditional sense of involving himself with a married person in the form of an affair but for some reason Joe likes to teeter the line of promoting and encouraging chaos that could make things tricky for the people in relationships on the show. He can’t get Parks but with the rest of the guys he’s always doing and saying something that could compromise the guys at home with their partners. And even to a point that discourages Mel in her relationship endeavors. He’ll chalk it up as “podding” but it has a real effect. I think Joe may do these things because his home is always a mess and actually not a home. 🤷🏾♂️
Ish got back from a Pod off, and just stole "Podder Of The Month" for the month of May‼️💯 His explanation of "G-Card" was Hilariously Accurate and his G-Card is Definitely Stamped & Certified 🤨 LMAO 🤣
Just walked back to my desk from grabbing a coffee, I'm a security guard, 14hr shifts. To come back to a JBP notification, is everything. Thanks Guys n Mel keep the great Pod episodes coming
Keep working and pushing!! Have a great day end out the week strong!
Work 20 hr days that notification makes last couple of hours a breeze
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Bro SAME FUCKIN STORY 😂😂😂 I'm only a 10 hr shift but literally word for word bruh
@@JamaalMills facts 🫡
Title should have been “where does your Waist start?” That took me out 😂😂😂
No wait til you get to G card
I read this and thought it was about Ish with the all salmon outfit.
Come to find out...the Even more hilarious meaning 😂😅
@@corrae99I read the timestamp description and I’m already laughing 😂
I died laughing when he said that.
😊
G-Card segment going down as a top 5 pod moment easy 😂
I have come to this video just to see that part lol
Bruh I replayed it like a dozen times. I had to see if anyone else in the comments appreciated it as much as I did lol I was rolling
Top Tier shit
that would be sad
The shit I let you do...... wow lol
Hearing "That Sexyy Red album is fire" is something I'd never think to hear on this podcast. I'm disappointed man. Lmao.
They're in their 🧢 bag today
@@yaredteferra7630they gotta pander to the younger / ratchet crowd
@bjb860 no they don't lol
Yeah the music opinions are trash but everything else is entertaining
I’m still
Perplexed why Joe said that.
Mel: "But you popped?"
She's officially one of the guys. 😂
Just repeating what she hears she’s still corny
@@CreativeSTSyou hate women
Hate much?@@CreativeSTS
@@CreativeSTSjust say you don’t like women
If hip hop is a “sport”, then hip hop is the only sport you can win the MVP having someone else play for you.
All music, not just hip hop.
Facts, drake is done in the hip hop greats convo he heavy in the taylor swift Cher convo
Hip hop isn't a sport it's a genre of music and all genres of music have always had CO writers and producers since the beginning
Drake not a hip hop artist he is the first of his kind
These nyggas get on here hyping cardi b up saying how nice she is how talented she is putting her up against top female emcees knowing she don't write even half the shyt she drop so why hate on Drake doing it he ain't a battle rapper he ain't Royce da 59
The G-Card segment is levels next podding
what is a G-card?
@@axa5005gangster card
@@axa5005ish explained they literally gave hella examples
But what does he let Mel do? For ppl who don’t watch it
@@tdwilliams232 the constant flirting when she knows he has a woman …. Remember the picture she posted with daisy sitting on ish lap … it’s a ton of things
Freeze moving the goalpost for Drake , and he might do pop songs and yeah they can write for him all day
BUT MOB TIES IS NOT A POP SONG ⚠️⚠️🤦🏽♂️
Fuuuuuck! I love Mob Ties! I’m hurt he didn’t write it 😭😭😭
Does ghostwriting affect Drake's placement as a pop artist? No.
Does ghostwriting affect Drake's placement as a rap artist? Yes.
It’s that simple…and I dont know why people wanna fight about it. It’s literally just this simple…
@@TheAshleysamathe vast majority of people disagreeing with this prolly aren't even hip-hop themselves.
@@andrecoleman1856 True, and none of it takes away from him being a star at all…it’s simply just is what it is…
Ish talking about people with
" spanky" or "a couple dollars" is as much a part of the pod as Joe yelling PrizePicks! 😂🤣
Ish being in denial is nasty work 🤦🏽♂️
Lol
With the Drake convo…imagine information of your favorite athlete Deion/Lebron/Jordan/ ect… came out that they took PEDs throughout their career. Are they still top tier and brought up in the GOAT convo?
Bruh, this is music. Your favorite rapper brings out music every 3-4 years. Drake is coming every year. And it’s quality… get a life. I’m happy he’s not catering to failed rap careers
This is music totally different
People don’t really care. It came out that Lauryn didn’t write Miseducation, you think people cared? We put too much fake stock into this shit. It’s disappointing but it doesn’t stop anything
💯💯💯 mf love to move the goal post 😂
@@ceokingcapo17 yea cause music and basketball/sports is completely different
Ice saying reference tracks is ok...😂 how he the brother of a battle rapper and letting all this stuff with drake slide.
He’s always been a goof
@@londonpain45 lol true. I appreciate his tech side, cause I'm a techy and do some of the stuff he does with his music/phone...but this slobbering off of drake is just nasty.
they are credited on the song as writers. it isn't ghost writing
@@thecunninlynguistlike what do u mean u Dnt Care ab these leaks and only if they timestamps 😭
@@wadfasfsdfdsfsf bro wtf r u talking 😂 the excuses for this dude is sick
Comfort is key Mel!! If I ever attend a concert, I will *DEFINITELY* be dressed comfy!!
Exactly. Comfortable and pod episode discussion cute.
Yep, the over 40 knees are burned out from us walking in 6 inch heels for years. Last concert I went to, I had some blinged our sneakers.
yep, I never understand the heels at a concert. I'm on dancing and on my feet all night, it's damn near my concert lol
Fun Fact: Yvette Lee Bowser is the creator of Living Single and she said she based Living Single off of Golden Girls. So much so that she says she asked the writers of Golden Girls for their pilot script and she used that script as her template for creating Living Single.
Ish killed that G card shit 😂. Respect that man
Can you give me context… I’m lost and don’t watch often
@@tdwilliams232 watch the clip about when Mel had a friend on the show, she was on Ish and Mel was hating. Best I could do for you 🤷🏽♂️
51:22 all Drake has is flow, bro is truly an actor. The lyrics are azz. Ice, Flip and Ish are terrible at judging music. Along with most of the people who like Drake.
Flip built like Blackbeard from One Piece lmao 😂
😂😂😂
Miniature version
😂😂😂😂 bruhhhh
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Epic comment 😂😂😂😂😂
If all of these references tracks & ghost writers are coming to light, can you question Drake’s pen game? I mean at this point, which song is authentically him? 🤷🏾♂️
That's the point. There in no authenticity in Aubrey at all. That was the whole point Kdot made in the mauling of "Drake"
That freestyle for funk flex was authentically him. That’s bout it
@@unc1221how do we even know that? He was reading off his phone. Could a been an email from his writers
@@andrecoleman1856 😂 Probably
Ish was absolutely poddin his ass off 😭😭😭
1:49:44 in case you wanna come back to this G Card Ish moment like I did🤭🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Salute ✊🏾💯
Drake cant talk about the time it take real artists to release if he’s using ghostwriters to produce more frequently. Ppl gotta stop moving the goal post.
Exactly! Flip talking about “shoot him some bail” why? When he’s super braggadocios like it’s just him and his pen?
Exactly. They're acting like he has to drop every year. Real artist take their time to create and curate their artistry. He's out here pushing songs out on a assembly line and it's not even good quality anymore.
I totally agree 🙌💯
Moving the goal posts is what y’all doing when it comes to Drake 🤣
Yall talking shit about Drake and his personal life choices and how he womanizes while listening to artists who glorify womanizing 🤣
@@inoyvst6786 lol, wrong!! no one’s talking about him being a womanizer but what we not gone do is let him call himself the best while using ghostwriters, leeching off real artists and being a fraud. That was a cute but try but try another angle 😂😂.
The JBP is like morning coffee at this point !!
It’s even better if you forget and it just pops up in your feed
They need to let them add the music in the videos, they be jamming out sometimes. Twitch gets cools about music and YT cracks own...we all just want good music with our content, making it a "law" to not play music is weird man
@@Scantronacon yeah it’s only on Spotify with the music.
@@Scantronaconon Patreon they play the music
Drake didn’t provide a time stamp record during the battle because the ghost writer that wrote those probably don’t work for him anymore. Drake is not working writing those records himself. He puts out so many albums because he has writers on OVO payroll.
Duh!! But to act like we don’t have rappers saying he right they’re shit. Don’t be ignorant bruh it makes y’all look stupid
Drake can do whatever the eff he wants.! And yall can continue to hate as if it is benefiting you
I don't care if A.I is writing the verses for him.
I want consistent music from Drake.
Not one album every 4 years.
OVO Hush doesn't write for Drake anymore
Kendrick won the battle in all aspects but let's not pretend the second verse on family matters wasn't the best rapping we heard from drake in years
Y'all are missing the point: Drake is beefing with his favorite ghostwriters... It's over for the bars! There will be other hits but "nothing was the same" now has a new meaning
You just pulled that out your ass
Have a mind of your own!.. how do you know that Drake is beefing with writers? Oh that’s right because Joe Budden the hater said so.
@@djane1006 Because they are exposing him. They, as in the writers, are coming out saying that they didn't get the credit. at least 3 have come out.
@@djane1006 I'm from Montreal. Toronto is one province ( equivalent of state if you in the US)
Away from where I live...none of these "rumors" are new around here.
Yep, daylight came out, I’m pretty sure BEAM hit up Kendrick, Quinton been came out, Vory came out, and these aren’t even “ghost” writers. Imagine the real 👻
Parks got me up here DYIN! "Ralph Lauren...Susan Surandon" 😂
So are they gonna ignore that drake had writing credits from other people on his diss tracks?
Besides the samples, I just assume he don’t write his shit at this point.
They roasted flipped to oblivion at the start.. Joe said flip got Mr potato head legs, I had to pull over and get gas for the car.
And flip says I'm gonna roast y'all.... And never does ..
@@RamonGarcia-pj4qc that boy was truly hurt
Someone said he resembles blackbeard in one piece😢
Endless excuses for Drake lol
This shyt sad fr fr how they always making excuses for him
It’s ridiculous. They talmbout he not gonna care cause he not catering to hip hop anymore if that’s the case, why he still doing records and tours with 21 SAVAGE? Why he still doing records with J.Cole? Tell him to stop collaboring with hip hop if he truly doesn’t gaf 😂
It’s cause Drake would shut the podcast down. He sues people who talk about him real or not. He sensitive and female
@@unc1221mfs jus haters that’s all
@@badcali9569 That too but at least we not sensitive. “Cease and desist on the like that record? I thought you liked that record.”
Flip: "What type of shoes she had on, E?"
Mel: "I had THESE 👉🏾 👞 ON."
Flip-- [bursts into laughter] 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂LOL Lol
The emoji illustration has me weak 😂😂😂
These guys turn obtuse and are unable to comprehend the simplest point whenever it comes from Mel
OMG!! So, it’s not just me?! I swear they are being “willfully” obtuse at that!! 🤬🤬 I can’t wait for her to relaunch her podcast.
You do kn9w they do that in purpose to get a reaction out of yall right?
@@spareparts2567I mean if that’s their angle they really need to rethink that cause it stifles what could have been a good conversation…
She’s goofy af that’s why
@@kingsqueen1shawty really boring asf and takes be trash lol
I honestly don’t think Drake wrote any of his songs without someone’s idea or lyrics
We honestly don’t give a fuck
You just a hater.
Im a hip hop purest.. but yall said years ago that it doesn't matter so why now that it's drake it's this big deal.. 🤔
@@0000bnkWho dafuq is "we"? I still like the music Drake produces, but I don't think of him as an elite pen. I think his pen will always be questionable, but I give him props for giving artists their credit.
Same lol
U can’t say you got more slaps then the Beatles and All number ones when your copying from all these other people it doesn’t hold weight
Drake can say do and sing whatever! What are you gonna do about it. Continue to hate
@@djane1006 I’m going to play “NOT LIKE US” a billion times
@@ZVYWMx ok good luck.. then go do that! Stop being obsessed with Drake. No need to talks about Kendrick it’s so weird
@@djane1006 you defending drake is weird 😂
@@ZVYWMxIt’s a chick who’s tryna get pipped by Drizzy. She’s worried bout Drake, meanwhile she can’t a man. Feminist bishhh
Flip not knowing where his waist is crazy !!!😂😂😂
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Thats wlot of big ppl
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@@daris7909 🧢
Bruh i didnt realize how big flip really was until i saw the thumbnail to this episode
Don't make excuses....he gets credit for being consistent....but he's consistent because of reference tracks lol.
You are a whole hater. Drake is greatness. What are you?
@@djane1006not a pedophile
Well we know that is not a fact! We however know it’s a fact that a security guard is on video talking about the fact that she had to rescue a call girl after KRNDRICK LAMAR BEAT HET SO BAD IN HIS HOTEL ROOM. Kendrick Lamar is a WOMAN ABUSER!. No wonder they call him a MINI DIDDY
@@HydrationEnjoyer 🤣🤣🤣
R.I.P. Bill Wilton, the last one to bring the Portland Trail Mixes a championship. 🙏
The writing matters just like the flow does, Drake is described in a rapper category and that's why he's picked at. We can't put Drake in convo with Jay z, Biggie, Pac, Nas, Kenny, Cole etc. He's in a group with Diddy, Timbo, Ye etc. but not really because he doesn't do that completely either. He's some what manufactured. He can rap probably but if left on his own... Who knows what his grouping would be.
Lmao go research Jay-Z stealing lyrics then come back 🤦🏿♂️😂😂😂
@@ninobeezy7768 exactly! Jayz use to sit on TH-cam watch battle raps and steal their lyrics
Stop talking crap your brain is manufactured. Aren’t yall tired 🥱 g hating Drake?!. He is not going anywhere so might as well stop
@@ninobeezy7768not the same as having a whole track being written for you
🤔 Mos Def-Told yall DRAKE wasn’t HIP-HOP🤷🏾♂️
Ish was on TIMING this episode PODDER OF THE MONTH !!!!
The real stop G 😂💯
What does Mel do?? Catch me up
They always out of breath when moving for 1 min 😂 - 1:50:36 & last time dancing to “Not Like Us”. Definitely some more gym time needed! 😅
G-Card finna go down as a top 5 clip 😂😂😂😂
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Mob ties was a song for Kanye though therefore Drake has people writing raps for his enemies which definitely blemishes his status as an MC
Imagine dissing Kanye by telling him you have mob ties. Corny af. Kanye is chill. 😂 Drake moves like a btch
Drake cannot put “pen to pad.” Can you be the best soccer player with no feet ? Then you can’t be “one of the best rappers” and can’t write. His whole catalog is in question. Dot proved he can’t stand next to or even close to the elite.
What Vivica A. Fox said about where she’s at mentally with dating was so straightforward. I don’t understand why some of the men are trying to analyze the woman’s every word.
They like to regurgitate words they believe minimize women's independent thoughts and actions.
Lol...nah we just find a lack of understanding irritating.
They always waiting for an ah hah moment for black women with standards they don't remotely meet... and not even smart enough to see she ain't really drop standards, she just answered the questions lol
Vivica A. Fox… *Echoes of Kevin Samuels*
There is no other rapper we consider as one of the best that has reference tracks and writers he lose alot of points to me
Drake has more in common with Lil Dicky than he does Lil Baby. The reason Dicky doesn't get that kinda smoke is because he's honest about his life experience and he can rhyme without the whole writing room of Empire in his pocket. Hip-hop ain't just your delivery it's your pen. You can still be down if you're not writing but don't be fake and don't call yourself the greatest MC of all time. Cardi got ghostwriters, too, but nobody comes for her because she ain't lying about it.
It's reference tracks to singing for a rapper/popstar, not verses/bars.
@@xoioioioioio8084 BS, explains the reference track we all just recently heard
@@Karsielatee it's not rap verses so I don't care about them, I don't care about references for hooks or choruses.
@@xoioioioioio8084it wasn’t references for hooks and choruses. He took whole bars…
If the majority of Drakes fans are pop fans and (you all agreed) then why do yall keep calling him a rapper or an MC? He's a beige Taylor Swift and we need to just quit talking about him altogether. Let Rolling Stone cover him and leave it at that.
Cuz he calls himself one. The best in fact.
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76here you go hating on ever drake video 😂😂😂😂 didn’t I just roast you on Mals shit, you wake up everyday with Drizzy on your mind lmao get a job my guy
@0000bnk and you busy on every comment section defending your king aren't you tired?
@@traceatroj240 you mad????
Because he's a rapper.
Drake has only 4-5 albums that’s solid. I’m not a Drake fan once I understood he isn’t really an artist. He’s a business concept for hip hop. Not surprised how he bites off other ppl. Cough cough Kirko Bangz. BBL Drizzy is a business concept, he’s a brand. No ties no emotions no signature. He’s a business. You want an artist who’s really an artist with emotions and all of that look somewhere else.
Well stated. He’s the epitome of corporate and people are fed up with anything big corp
"Look at all these SKUs" lol
Flip built like Tasmanian Devil
Parks: Ralph Lauren 🤣🤣🤣
The quiet 3 pointers be like SWIIIISH 😂
Drake IS an industry plant!!!! After watching this commentary; I am more convinced of that than ever!!!
There’s no such thing as industry plants. People come in the game and if the consumers like you, then you succeed. Plenty of people that “should” work never work out. There’s no formula, the consumers have to gravitate to you
@@regalsylvesterit's because they dumb.
@regalsylvester Right. If they could plant somebody there would be 100 Drake's but there's only 1
@@JamesBraggs-w1w there would be a million drakes, if it was possible but bro is just too good.
@@JamesBraggs-w1w right. Wiz explained it before. The label doesn’t know how to make the spark. The artists/individuals make the spark, the label amplifies it, but the label themselves cannot create the spark.
If they could then we’d never have a lot of people that we have
2:34:42 Joe refuses to grow up and have or listen to adult conversations.
2:40:04 Joe asked Mel to talk about Vivica. She talks about Vivica then gets told to relax and that she's triggered.
They were trying to be smart asses about the Vivica situation. It is not near impossible for Vivica to find an age appropriate mate who still wants to have fun, travel and spoil her a bit. Fly women in her age range have always had suitors.
These dudes think Granny just languished after Pop Pop passed? Naw, I’ve seen these women have a friend (or multiple) that treated her well.
The perspective of Ice, Joe and Ish is flawed because truthfully they are three old fuckboys who have sordid histories (and presents) with women. It seems like they were intentionally trying to trigger Mel.
Joe is disrespectful and an infant.
If it was just the hooks, I'd actually be willing to give Drake a pass. But they're giving him entire verses and flows.
Agreed
2:38:57 Mel if it took that lady til she was 60 to realize these things …what good is she gone be to any man …she 60 and kinda wealthy …she set in her ways I’m sure and not many men of any race gone wanna put up with her!!
Why do yall care so much about Drake? Whether for or against...the amount of energy yall give topics related to him is weird. All the great topics on this episode; yet most of the comments are about that 1 segment. Drake really got yall by the throat.
It’s giving obsessed
"Lunchtime was crack time" is WILD😂😂😂😂
I realized Joe was right, Ish and Flip should go to Starbucks when it's time to talk about music, their takes are like they don't love music.
Kendrick has dismantled the Big 3 and reduced them to temporary ringtone and ratchet rappers lol
lol well damn 😂
@@Karsielatee lol
the flinch of Flip at 1:47:01 gets me every time 🤣
he's so soft and he knows it. I love it.
His son "Jr" is his security
@@doylenelson9983 say less. we know, since he brags about it.
Drake has officially become a karaoke artist
Milli Vanilli type sht
Regardless, people still listenin and buyin concert tickets...
As soon as Ice started defending Drake, I had to skip the whole section because I knew it was going to be some BS.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
All this “he too busy to write”, well don’t proclaim him as a rapper because what was required of a “MC/emcee” WAS authenticity. Crazy Ice has that stance consider Arse name his built off his OWN bars. This whole sh!t garbage
Lmao Drake ain't the only rapper who did it 🤦🏿♂️😂😂😂
@@ninobeezy7768 is it other rappers claiming the greatest and have reference tracks all across the internet? That be the issue, something go on with Rapper X and y’all wanna “but what about so and so?” Cool, we can discuss them next, but right now we talking about what we talking about..
Ish sending his lady home to have fun in “Chocolate City” is sending me 😂😂
Ish greatest moment was that g card take to Mel lmao
40:20 a quick google search will prove that wrong scary hours 3 specifically has a lot of writers on it and I’m looking at time stamp records too and he has writers on those so I can’t keep giving this man a pass
Ish always adds money to the conversation 🤣🤣
Talking about that damn spanky 😂😂
Man…hearing Hiphop aficionados basically saying it’s cool for somebody to jump back and forth into this genre and use ghost is garbage. And it’s being justified like this isn’t the basis of the whole battle with Dot. Y’all keep on with the BS and it’s going to be run over with AI generated ghosts all because someone hit a melodic pocket on a track. Is there ANY artistic integrity?? Just throw the whole game away if that’s how y’all rockin
Facts
If thats the case for Drake as he works a lot where are Wayne's reference tracks?????
I am so in love with this show!! Them talking about the time they had in DC made me feel like o was there, it sounds like it was a whole vibe and a time was had!!! Definitely my new fave podcast!
we could do the same thing bae.
JOE!!!!, Stop trying to hurry up the serious topics!!! We love these relationship talks!!!
The industry is overcooked. The masses gonna make excuses til the end.
Never seen a rapper get shot so much bail. If all these records come out why can’t we question if he writes anything? Yes this should change how he is viewed.
He writes. But he also has writers. So he has hits but he also uses steroids. So the hit is the hit but it’s a hit with an asterisk.
@@regalsylvester I believe he writes but to what extent is what comes to question with each new reference track. But I also don’t want to hear you are the greatest in your raps and on the shop nodding and grinning like you like Mob Ties I did that.
@@andredmoss tbh when he was on the shop his body language wasn’t “yea i did that”. It was more like “im glad you like it” he didn’t own it. It’s like he’s happy they liked it but he knew he couldn’t brag about that record the same way as if he was in his bag. And tbh that record hurts cus i really love that one. It’s still good but it’s like maaan, i wish u did this one yourself.
@regalsylvester he DOESN'T WRITE, dude. He's 100% out of the GOAT MC CONVO. No matter how much you raise the goal post, the DAMGE IS DONE. Not while Nas, Kendrick, Jay-Z, Royce, Eminem, LUPE, Crooked eye, School Boy, JCOLE and the such are alive. Drake will NEVER be mentioned among the greats. That's what matters the most to him, and that train has PASSED
@@fredricksmith8760 why you tellin me.
Honest question. What song did Drake actually write
Shade 😂😂😂😂
Unthinkable-Alicia Keys
30 hours - Drake
@@Alwaysbelieve619 ok now ima go listen to that
I’d like to think Drake wrote everything up to take care, once you hit take care he had help
when are they just gonna admit like everyone else they are afraid of drake. They literally said its ok for him to not write his raps because he is "busy", they would never give anyone else this much bail.
I hate people saying we know he can write. Do we? What can you prove he wrote? You mf's weren't in the studio with him.
Flip sitting up there with that Big ass grease stain on his shirt like its nothing bruh LOL
Flip built like a genie 🧞♂️
😩😂😂😂
Rub a Hot Pocket and Flip comes out.
@@melancholymoshpit I’m dying 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Y’all keep saying “drop a slap”…..what does that prove if 4 years later the reference track leak. Just go make his reggaeton album. “Say he Canadian, maybe Asian, Croatian, be sounding like his Jamaican friends..” take that 💩 somewhere else. Go make Bluegrass
Why Joe almost fell getting up from the sofa 🛋️???
To say this does not effect Drake at all, as Ice claims, is not opinion it is demonstrably false. You cannot be named a top 5 rapper and 4 rappers write their own lyrics, learn the beat, create the cadance, formulate a style and one rapper every single part of creating a rap song from cadance, style and lyrics were handed to you. You have forfitted your title as a rapper, a lyricist in the catergory of rap. It is like entering a lawn judgement contest and 5 contestant procured their own lawn, 1 hired a lawn service, and hirer wins the money and title. If you want to say Drake is a great artist, pop star, I cannot refute that but to say it does nothing to his rap credentials, miss me with that.
Let me put it this way. If Drake was really the best lyricist in the game, he wouldn't even want ghostwriters. What could they even offer him that he couldn't do better by himself?
@@whym6438 Writing takes effort and time so I get the appeal. The issue to me is he's been jacking songs since his 2nd album so how far back and how much has he been taking other people's songs. Also constantly jacking songs and flows is going to make his pen lazy and weak, if it wasn't already.
I love your lawn analogy
50:16 Jesus Christ, the death of hip hop is real. I don't want to hear about the culture from these arse clowns defending Drake. Drake does hip hop. Came through with hip hop, made his career in hip hop. You rap, you write. Non negotiable. Joe and the rest of them should be outraged. Drake can never be In the conversation again.
Flip be looking like a lil mini fridge in that corner😂😂
😆😂🤣
This is the best Ish everPeriod
Wow 🤩 😂😂😂😂😂
Mel agree about Vivica but she just don’t want to accept the part about age. Age is a factor you can’t ignore that
49:25 That's a good point. I remember listening to "For All the Dogs" and it very much felt like heartache + a Red Pill podcast.
ISH the 🐐🐐🐐🤣😂🤣
Idk why they ask Mel relationship things in topics
People move to Miami to retire, I can see Sex and the City being a prequel
At 1:47:11, Flip is trying to explain the issues of Joe’s ways and how unfair they are. Hot take, I think Flip doesn’t have the words to truly say…Joe is a home wrecker. Hear me out. No, not in the traditional sense of involving himself with a married person in the form of an affair but for some reason Joe likes to teeter the line of promoting and encouraging chaos that could make things tricky for the people in relationships on the show. He can’t get Parks but with the rest of the guys he’s always doing and saying something that could compromise the guys at home with their partners. And even to a point that discourages Mel in her relationship endeavors. He’ll chalk it up as “podding” but it has a real effect. I think Joe may do these things because his home is always a mess and actually not a home. 🤷🏾♂️
I agree. He wants others homes to be as messy as his. So he feels good about himself lol. It’s weird af.
Ish bugging Drake his not an MC. And Ish old enough to know better.
Joe asking a dude where his waist is - *is ALL the NO's*
Naw you gotta make sure your mans dressing himself correctly
@@cam0x195 wait! But to ask your mans where his waist is.. haaaaaa NO
Joe be talking like one of the gworls at times. He know the slang and everything.
Mel sees herself in vivica fox, that’s why she got so irritated 😂😂😂
Mel is still bad af though😮💨
@Savvce She's not bad looking now, but let's see how she looks in another 10 yrs. I mean she's getting there.
@@juombe oh well yeah for sure. I’m talking about right now though.
@@juombeyall must be way older than me cause she’s already there
@newwbein but she natural. Her 47 is fantastic
Drake didn’t write back to back … Kendrick will get back to that for the record
Okay ish bodied that G card convo
I’m surprised no one brought up Vince staples new album
Kevin Samuels was right about vivica 😂
Definitely 😂😂😂😂😂
Dead on 🎯
And Melyssa…
💯
Facts!! I was hoping they name dropped him
Ice needs to be silent in music convos😂 even looking back to old pods years ago, he’s always wrong especially when arguing with Joe
Ish got back from a Pod off, and just stole "Podder Of The Month" for the month of May‼️💯 His explanation of "G-Card" was Hilariously Accurate and his G-Card is Definitely Stamped & Certified 🤨 LMAO 🤣
Mel is gonna end up in the same space as vivica fox we all know it thats why she so salty abt the subject it’s crazy to see this play out ‼️‼️‼️😂😂
Somebody need to tell Nicki Minaj that lol She always going off about who don't write their raps 🤣
When Joe sits with Mel with his funky Crocs he sees two bad bitches 😂😂😂 n why they treating Cory like he's Chubbs😂