Me : allow me to introduce my friend from my conception My college savings fund : hello Me: this bad boy has enough money in it to get me out of college dept free now I want an education major with 2 art minors 3 if you count theatre and possibly business I don't know about business but it seams fun.
"Growing up, I based my self worth on my ability to get good grades. Without a report card, I'd have a nervous ****ing breakdown." I can't tell you how accurate this is to some people. Bloody Hell.
It's me, even 7 years ago. I've truly considered killing myself for a C I got in high school. Glad I outgrew it, but even in college a B sends me spiraling. It's become a real issue.
I've watched this before, being fresh from undergrad and working in a bank. It made me laugh. I decided to come back and watch it again now that I'm a graduate student. Made me cry.
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 graduate school is just one more star you had to align in your banking career. Nobody thinks it helped, but everyone in the room seems to have gone.
I remember watching this video when I was a kid still in high school. I laughed thinking how this wouldn't be me, I wouldn't need grad school. I'd be a STEM major and have great job prospects. Well, I'm finally a rising Senior in college with no job offers I'm god damn terrified. I don't care if it puts me deeper in debt, I'd rather be broke than a sad adult in the real world. SAVE ME GRAD SCHOOL, YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE.
Yes, we all know those people. And we roll our eyes. On the other hand, there are people who are told they are unemployable in their field unless they get a Masters or PhD.
Many kids go to college for the wrong reasons or because they are told that is what they must do to survive in the real world. Grad school is for people who truly have a thirst for knowledge and strive to enter a career not a job. A job is something you would drop if you hit the lottery. A career e.g. doctor, scientist, economics ext..., is a "job" that you would never think about quitting, in fact if you won the lottery you would use the money to expand your career. I will go onto grad school and I will love every step of the way.
Uh.... If I won 100 million. No matter what I did, I would be quitting my job. It seems like you're implying that people who don't go to grad school don't have a thirst for knowledge or cant pursue a career. I hope that's not what you're saying.
No, that's not what I mean. Pressure from teachers and family placed upon high school students often leads them to make foolish choices like going to college when they truly belong in a trade school. Often students who don't like academics drop out with large amounts of debt. I like academics and for me knowledge is more important than money, no matter how much.
laetrille THANK YOU. Maybe most people hate grad school because they feel they HAVE to go in order to be taken seriously, and for several reasons they can't go? Truth is, nobody HAS to go. Nobody HAS to do anything. I paid for my grad school myself, and I live on my own. I'm not afraid of change; I thrive on it :) and that's why I got my MA, because it allowed me focus specifically on MY interests, while a BA is more generalized. Obviously, I know many people way older than me, that have been doing this for a while, and they know themselves that they got degrees just so they don't have to settle down or something... but not everyone who gets into grad school is like that. Hell, I know some BA students that are like that. Anyway... I fucking love knowledge, and to me grad school is a place where you can get more and produce your own. I loved your example with the lottery, because that is exactly what I would use the money for: expanding on my career. Maybe I'm too ambitious, but it's just what makes me happy. Enjoy the ride!
laetrille Yes they are told that, because colleges profit from this, many people arnt ready for college to begin with, it is why some of them join the military, or get a job for a few years.
"Growing up, I based my self worth on my ability to get good grades. Without a report card, I'd have a nervous f*cking breakdown!" I thought I was the only one😂
I love it when these people say stuff like "oh you were military, thats cool, I got into college." Then I laugh because theyre 23 and $80,000 in debt, while I'm actually getting paid to attend. I mean I still hear a buzzing sound in my head from the RPG our MRAP took..... actually ya know what, I think were equally stupid.
Maybe, but you still struggle controlling your urge to be an insufferable asshat in the midst of polite conversations and humorous occaisions so Imah call it an even match.
"I get to spend the next 10 years of my life analyzing 3 lines of a poem that's over 500-years-old. In the real world, that would be considered a mental disorder." EXACTLY.
"if we we better at life, we wouldn't need more school!" Exactly! That's why all the best doctors, engineers, scientists, and professors, start work straight out of high school! Wait.....
But not everyone wants those things most jobs and professions are nothing like college or high school. yes those things may be true and it's best to have and study the knowledge 1st but in those cases college is required. plus no they don't start work but they do start college after having almost no chance to explore what they really want to do. In my psychology book in my own college, it said that almost 90℅ of college students change their major like 3 times wasting hundreds to thousands of dollars on the wrong information when you might not even need a degree for what you end up wanting to do. And some of the richest most successful people are either college drop outs or never went. unless you have a pigeon holed profession. It just costs you money and prepares you for situations that basically never happen in the average work place. Terrible closing statement but the overall message is still true.
Not everything you do in life has to be about money. I want a PhD in History, and hopefully teach at the university level. Now will I make a ton of money?No. But its what I'll be happy about doing and to me that trumps money.
So basically you don't actually want to,work,a day in your life, you just want to stay in the college womb and continue reading books and writing essays, because when it comes down to it, you don't actually know how to be successful in the real,world.
Jack White I liked this video and all but hey, I doubt getting a PhD in History is easy so you should probably stop regurgitating what they said in the video, because it doesn't apply here. Also, how would lecturing at a university not be being successful in the "real world"? It's a living and, like he said, doing what you love is surely more important than money.
Studying isn't that difficult. Also, being a lecturer at a university is a fucking piss take. It is very easy job, and is for lazy fucks who don't want to work in an actually productive economic field.
Jack White lol, so you have been a university lecturer, no? Well neither have I but I can at least appreciate the work that it would entail. And I really can't tell if you're a troll, because you are being so overly judgemental and ignorant it blows my mind.
The problem is that unless you are at a highly ranked school (like top 5?), you aren't going to get a tenure-track job offer. So you can hope to be an adjunct, or maybe if you get a teaching certificate, work at a public school (but I doubt that, no teacher wants a colleague with a PhD). Then we'll all get treated to whining about your low income and your student loan debt. TL;DR: You say you don't care about money, but unemployed and adjunct PhD's are constantly complaining about money.
Nah, he's doing a doctorate in business haha but I can tell that even at week 5 the workload is fucking insane (numerous seminars, projects, presentations and whatnot). This one time he sent me a picture of his lunch which was literally just eggs mixed with water. Ugh.
PhD is a very challenging journey. Keep supporting him, and keep it mutual as you can. There will be a lot of sacrifices along that journey. Good luck.
I am glad I got a normal job after high school and just lived a little and learned how to do everything by myself, now as a returning student I already planned how I am going to pay for tuition and minimize it as much as I can. I went to a community college first and then transferred after my first two years. Got all credits transferred :)
To all considering graduate school: a warning. My father is a pretty well known academic (philosophy). When I was considering going for my PhD in history this was what he told me: "Do you remember Ian?" He co-published with me as an undergrad, and was admitted into a top 20 PhD program. Ian now has been out of grad school for a few years and is still underemployed working as a waiter. My father also told me he has friends who are history professors who out of 5 grad students only one is employed as an academic, and that is as an adjunct making 5k a course. He concluded this speech with what I am about to tell you. Do not go to grad school unless these two things apply. You must go to grad school. I.E. if you did not you would hate and never forgive yourself. Secondly, you know beyond a doubt that you have the skill necessary. Otherwise you are wasting everyone's time and money.
+Everett Smith that applies to history, philosophy, humanities, etc. Not quantitative fields like STEM, finance, economics, statistics, etc where grad school is actually worth it
Depending on your content area, going to grad school straight out of regular college can hurt more than help. I'm doing education and some certified teachers came into one of my classes and told us "please get some actual experience before you go to grad school. How weird would it look if you had a Master's in Education without having ever actually done any education?"
"I'll spend 3 years analysing 3 lines of a poem that's 500 years old... in the real world, that would be considered a mental condition." relieved I saw the light and didn't do post-grad English Lit!
My history grad degree (sort of) worked out. I teach college history now. But, the money I spent on it isn’t even close to what I earn. Wish I’d have taken a trade on the side to help supplement income.
How about people who spend years analyzing one mathematical equation??? Lmao the hate against the humanities is strong here. The current economic system undervalues the humanities.
I know this is for humor. However, consider some ideas to your "real" grad school ad. 1. Most Masters and PhD level students have severe cases of imposter syndrome, they typically don't believe they're better than anyone. 2. Grades? Especially in your PhD, no one cares about grades. They care about results and output, they care about publications. 3. Not all, but most graduate students get teaching, research, or administrative assistantships. Tuition covered, with a stipend to cover basic expenses (food, rent) 4. It's incredibly rare for a graduate student to live in dorms unless your assistantship has to do with being an RA/RD. Otherwise, we stay away from undergrads. 5. One about being in a bluegrass band and law school was pretty good. Some graduate students don't know why they're there, especially Masters students. PhD? You know why you're there. 6. In graduate school, analyzing a poem for 4 years over 5,000 years old would be considered a mental disorder too. My PhD program required me to publish to graduate. Again, no one cares about grades, they want you to publish. 7. Yeah, graduate students typically are overly OCD or messy. I'll give you that one. 8. Campus living does NOT make anyone feel young. Being around undergrads makes graduate students uncomfortable. We're typically instructors, advisors, etc. We want undergrads to succeed, not have a beer with them. 9. C's get degrees doesn't get you into graduate school, FYI. 10. I love the concept of "real world" or "good at life" as opposed to journalists are in the real world that take my research, oversimplify it, and ultimately report it incorrectly
I came to USA to get a Masters in Computer Science and today I am making 120K. I thought it would be tough, because I used to think that why would anyone choose to hire someone who came from half way across the world over someone who was born and brought up here. But it was piece of cake. There are so many jobs but not many people willing to do the hard work.
vivaloriflamme so you are saying 120K is less? My friend, you can keep making excuses all you want, but its not gonna get you anywhere. I was hired because I wanted to be hired and I made myself capable.
That’s so refreshing to hear. Honestly some people are just unwise and go into school with high tuition yet jobs with no demand like in the liberal arts section. . . honestly what did they expect. It takes a simple google search to see if your career path makes on average a sustainable living for you. It’s great to see someone who values education and works hard yet smart to provide a better living for themselves. Many jobs pay very well, I would say 100k+ is ideally what should be sought with a degree for sustainable living in California at least but that’s my opinion counting things like mortgage and healthcare. . ect.
vivaloriflamme but that’s just part of the market process, if they offer 100k and someone else’s hires for 120k, in a tight labor market, 120k is not gonna go down to 100k, but it’s the opposite.
Man it’s so simple. Your experience is not representative. Just because you’re not struggling doesn’t mean struggle doesn’t exist despite people’s best efforts...
Some graduate programs are pretty good though. It just depends on what you’re studying. Like, if you’re studying English literature or something, you’re probably going to have a hard time finding a job. But a graduate degree in engineering or something like that can actually be really helpful in employment.
Pls don't. If you're bad at math, just be homeless, move to Chicago over several years, and grow ties and favors from the organized crime there. You'll be a millionaire in no time.
Problem is that undergraduate degrees just don't quite cut it anymore in the modern economy because their prestige has gone down considerably since more and more people were able to get them. Also there are some jobs that are totally inaccessible unless you have post-graduate education.
Actually I find it the other way around. I find the working life to be a comfort zone while going back to university to be a pain. I've been having a terrible time in university so far, but I love going out to events to meet professionals or well known people and working with them. Then it's back to the depressing "normal" people on campus whose high point in life is getting drunk at a party...
***** At the workplace, probably. I don't expect everybody to be open-minded and solution-oriented, and between the problem makers at fast-food restaurants and the professional workforce, I expect to see similarities. I usually go to find those rare gems that are dedicated to their craft. If it doesn't work out with them, that's perfectly fine too, it's time well spent. It remains to be more useful than any class or club I've ever been to in university. It's the university atmosphere and countless electives/theory I can't stand.
This statement begs the question of what you do for work. Also, the depressing "normal" people on campus is the point of the skit. The people we see in the video are all those people. Maybe I just failed at picking something up, but it seems like you should be agreeing with this video perfectly.
Dirtnaps McGee What I do is basically computer science and software engineering, where it's true that college material is utter garbage for these fields, but I was just selfishly giving my perspective on the whole thing, saying that college life is far from comfort and satisfaction. It's that the only thing college has going for it are its parties, which are already not a high point to aim for in life.
I empathize with you, as I am a college student as well and do not like the drunk party scene, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of people who don't participate in stuff like that. You should find some friends who don't act like that and you'll enjoy college a lot more.
Of course, you're absolutely correct. Not pursuing a dream basically is the same as having no life. But as long as you can support yourself financially and maybe support a family, the dreams can be shut down for now. Why aim to have a career you will enjoy and work your best in if you don't have the guts to see to it to the end?
"Up until 35 I had a slightly skewed world view. I honestly believed everybody in the world wanted to make abstract paintings, and people only became lawyers and doctors and brokers and things because they couldn't make abstract paintings." - Frank Stella
Crazy thought: maybe it's not always explicitly about getting a job for some people - there's a difference between vocational school and college. I do know plenty of people who go into graduate school because they're not sure what they want out of life yet, sure, but there's also lots of people who go to grad school because they have a specific interest or talent. Weirdly enough, you can actually get jobs with degrees in European history, Latin American studies or whatever else people feel like shitting on nowadays, you just have to build skills through internships and whatnot. Ever heard of, for example: museum or art gallery curators? Newspaper or book editors? Social media managers? Advertising? Graphic design? Professional researchers? Librarians? Teachers? Translators and interpreters? Lawyers? Psychologists? Animators? TV anchors? Sports announcers? Campaign managers? Interior designers? Videogame concept artists? Those jobs are all attainable via non-STEM degrees because there's room in the world for more than one type of person. And yes I know this video is intended to be funny, but it's not well done and the jokes are stale imo.
It's probably the case for most people that it's practically impossble to make a living out of the jobs you listed either because they have little to no openings or the salary is too low to pay off debt and whatnot.
Yeah, the issue is that you basically have to be the best in order to get the internships that lead to those jobs (or at least have the most impressive resume and be exceptional at interviewing). There aren't an unlimited number of those types of jobs--there are only so many museums, etc. Lawyer, accountant, software engineer? Not unlimited, but damn close to it.
Grad school is necessary for Engineering and Medical fields, without a masters you won't get professional memberships, better pay or move ahead in your career. If you have to go to Grad school, make sure its in a evergreen field like medical or engineering - however most people choose the easy way out and opt for literature, etc and when they can't find a job they blame all of grad school. Don't make terrible choices, learn basic finances. I personally started working after undergrad and now am planning for grad after saving enough for it - not taking loans.
fuck that literature is easy nonsense, you know how many essays by engineering and science students I helped edit? They were all pitiful. Engineering and sceince are more financially appealing these days because there's money to be made in those fields. You guys build stuff, invent medicines etc which are all very important in their own right, and extremely admirable, I just fucking hate it when people shit on liberal arts. Liberal arts are the basis of society, everything you know about math science, psychology stemmed from theology, literature, philosphy etc. And its not irrelevant either, its just that there's no money to be made there. Which is ultimately what the problem is, money fuels everything so people are left with limited options in pursuing what they want. Don't call me lazy for pursuing a liberal arts degree, masters or phd its just as much work as any engineering and science degree--just different.
***** I didn't say liberal arts was insignificant. I said a degree in liberal arts was unnecessary. Getting a masters or a phd often requires financial merit. As you stated that a Masters or PHD in liberal arts won't make you much money, then why would you go ahead and waste your money and time in pursing such a degree? It's financial nonsense. On the other hand, if you already have a liberal arts undergrad degree you should be focusing on contributing something - be it writing & publishing your own book or starting a damn website to showcase your art. Anything that brings IN THE MONEY. Honestly, people who know the financial constraints of such degree and still choose to pursue them are either financially incompetent thinkers or downright lazy and looking for ways to spend more time 'stuck' in the collage/university environment. Go out there, work your ass off and you'll succeed. Not all famous writers, philosophers artists, musicians etc had a degree - id be surprised if they'd have a masters in it. All in all, there is no end to education - however a degree shouldn't be your educational goal, as education could be had without it. There are sites like edX, UDemy where i can learn all i need, but don't necessarily want a degree in those subjects. Chill.
Mohammed Sameer Joad The end to which we aim in attaining an education at the graduate level is often not one concerned with financial security. Surely you don't mean to assume that a philosophy major aims to make incredible amounts of money writing a doctoral thesis on Kantian metaphysics; no, he aims to expand human knowledge. Not everything is about money; the "practical man" described by Russel is not a man one should aspire to be, but you sure seem to do so.
Jun Valles Do I think that degrees in the arts are importand and good for personal development? Absolutely. But I don't see how writing a thesis on metaphysics is going to "expand human knowledge"
This hit different. As a person who just finished grad school and has to pay for it as the years go by, my feelings are hurt and I will get a law school student to see if I can sue for hurt feels.
This is only true if it's accurate to say you have no direction, drive, ambition, and knowledge, and yes, something that's useful and in need. If you have a plan and do well with a drive to succeed, it'll happen one day. All of the "students" portrayed in the video are lazy, affluent, dumb fucks that have their parents pay their way through school and have absolutely no clue why they're there. It's their own fault. What legit grad student smokes weed and gets drunk all the time, wearing sweat pants and a visor??? Basing your self worth on your own personal success in anything is the healthiest way to gain confidence. Academics just happen to be one of the most valuable avenues to engage in.
"Basing your self worth on your own personal success in anything is the healthiest way to gain confidence." Or not so much, if you keep failing due to things that are only partially under your control.
Isn't Grad school where you get your Masters and Doctorate degrees? If so, isn't that like saying that someone going to college is lazy because they can't work in the real world with their high school diploma?
That's why I'm in college. If I could get a decent (not phenomenal, just decent) paying job with just a high school diploma, that's just what I'd do. I like learning, I just don't like English, and math and the other useless stuff.
s0medudeonline I speak English, I have a calculator on my cell phone (and that's just a flip phone) and History (which I never mentioned) is a joy to study, and might actually be useful to me, an aspiring interpreter.
what isnt stated nearly enough about college and ESPECIALLY grad school is is 1. the mind numbing 300 page paper you'll have to crap out that NO ONE WILL READ 2. the stress 3. the debt + debt from undergrad school. 4. the miagrane that won't go away. 5. the stress x infinity if you have a family 6. keep adding to that stress if you are working, and if its barely paid or no paid internship.... bottom line is, maybe youll come out with a degree that might get you 6 figures and this is not a guarantee contrary to popular opinion. you will still on top of that have tortured yourself with endless stress, headaches, and endless BS like a 300 page paper. This is pain on the body mind and soul and it should not be treated lightly. college students arent known for healthy living, grad students are that problem times infinity. Im not gonna, lie Im pretty sure college has taken years off my life, and at the end of the day I have no clue whether or not I'll even get a job in my field. yes I'm salty but I have a right to be, unless writing essays is now the number 1 skill all employers want.
I fond it kinda weird how some people think that after their Bachelor degree college ends , in most fields you need a Master degree now to have a chance of getting a job , don't stop after 3 or 4 years if You have the willingness to continue.
You don't need to be good at life for your job to happen to be in HR, but that's not the point, the primary purpose of getting a postgraduate degree is to have a postgraduate degree, it's no more an excuse for not being good at life than getting an undergraduate degree is
The least truthful cliché is probably the student who went to grad school because he couldn't get a job after undergrad. Grad schools generally only want two types of students: 1) those who have at least a year of work experience after undergrad; 2) exceptional undergrads who enroll into graduate school immediately after receiving their B.A./B.S. degrees.
You forgot how they're forced to teach some classes for your actual professors. That's right parents, go ahead and pay that $14,000 tuition for your undergrad to be taught 50% of the time by another student!
Ecoi1 Because they're terrible. 90% of them don't know how to teach. They think that, because they are grad students and you're an undergrad, that you're beneath them and you don't deserve their attention. They are unreliable as far as answering e-mails and office hours are concerned. I had a grad student teacher last semester who didn't get our last test graded until AFTER the final because she was in Panama City partying.
I made a promise to myself, unless it is a full scholarship and I'm not pursuing anything atm, i will not go back to do my master. Otherwise, higher education doesn't provide value unless you are training for STEM. I believe in long-life and self- learning which we don't have to go to grad school to learn. Moreover, The cost of Education is just too high to justify anything. We have to make changes; take time to think about what you will do; don't rush the grad school decision; without a clear purpose, you will still end up directionless after acquiring another useless degree.
This is actually a good point. I mean you can still get a job with a BS or a BA but it's hella difficult. Also add the part where a C average is no different than an F in grad school.
Q___Q omg ive just completed my liberal arts & sciences degree and oh boy theres no recognition whatsoever and cant get any job either!!!! so much for good grades..
Sylveon You said liberal arts AND science degree. Maybe with your good grades you can apply to a post grad degree in things like pharmacy, optometry, etc and at least that will lead to a job
Come on! Some people WANT to work in Academia. Some people want to do Research... and for those of us in STEM fields, graduate school is NECESSARY. Also, you wouldn't have TEACHERS without people going to graduate school. So no, it's not pointless... I'll take a year of after undergrad, but I WILL go to grad school.
shingoldenwarrior nonsense.. thats all a fad!.. youll see.. before long the world markets will go literally nutz with puppets made from newpapers ! youll see!.. its gonna happen.. soon,... soon...
joyboy232 thats a matter of debate.. in a thousand years archeologists will still wonder what i said here... it will be rigth up there with atlantis and the giant miniature space hamster myths! :)
Depending on the subject, grad school, especially for a doctorate is often funded, so... not that different from being employed. For better or for worse, especially if you want to do your own research, be eligible for research grants etc. a doctorate is often essential. Graduate school is definitely not for everyone, but there are some very pragmatic reasons for attending depending on one's desired career path.
You don't have to go to college to make good money! I work at a warehouse and I make so much money, I could pay for a car in cash if I wanted to. (I just don't want to 'cause public transportation is cheaper and more reliable where I live). If I save my money, I can also afford to travel.
Although I find this sketch humorous, I disagree with most of its content. At least where I go to school (U of Michigan), grad students appear to be dedicated, hardworking, and incredibly bright. I myself am entering my junior year and intend to apply for a PhD program (cognitive science). If you do about 30 seconds of research, most major universities pay their students a massive stipend (which often covers most or all of tuition) if they get accepted into a PhD program. There also appears to be a stigma against academic majors such as philosophy, psychology, or literature; one can easily find unemployment statistics by college major. The most unemployed majors tend to be architecture and art majors. Grad school graduates also tend to have much lower unemployment and higher wages in general compared to 4 year grads and high school grads. It's a little frustrating seeing comments from people who have no idea what they're talking about on here with misinformation. Anyone who is interested should look this stuff up for themselves instead of buying into the common assumption that academic achievement is a waste of money and time.
Money = prestige in most societies and someone with an MBA from a school akin to Michigan will make 2-3x as much money as someone with a PhD from the same caliber program in philosophy will ever hope to make (on the average) with far, far less time spent in a classroom. So, toiling away writing peer-reviewed papers and making $60k/year, driving a 2003 Honda Accord, and living in a 1 bedroom apartment in some crummy town is one way to go. But the guy making $150k, driving a 2013 BMW 3-class, and living in a high rise in a major metro will always be viewed as the far more successful person.
Tom G. While I certainly agree that businessmen are often viewed as more successful because money does often equal prestige, the difference in income is actual quite a bit less than you would think. Average MBA graduates make $113k on average (which is of course still a product of grad school), while philosophy PhD graduates make $87k on average, usually as a professor, which is more than enough to live comfortably. The type of person to go to grad school for philosophy (myself hopefully included) tend to have a passion for the field and would much rather have a great job with less pay than selling their soul to corporate for more money.
Timothy H Timothy H Can you... stop trolling on TH-cam... and go back to working at McDonald’s... so you can... at least contribute... to society... in “some way”... lol!
I'm a graduate student in philosophy. I am fully funded because I teach a highly in demand introductory critical thinking course that is required for all students at our big state university. I am taking out no loans, I have no debt, I live in a safe home in a beautiful city with good friends and I am very happy with my life. I feel sorry for my friends that went into entry level corporate jobs after undergrad. Most of them make more money than me, but they don't get to do what they love and they don't have the freedom that I have. I'm not wealthy, but I'm debt free, happy, and I get to do work that contributes to society and helps students develop the skills they need to excel in college and in the work world, as well as become better educated and more well rounded people. So while this video is amusing, it's definitely not representative of all graduate students.
The sacrifices you make by going to grad school do not become as clear until you get older. Your priorities will likely change. Things like stability and financial security will likely be more important. I think grad school attracts a lot of smart and idealistic people, but it isn't always the highest and best use of their time. I do stand by most of what I said 8 years ago; grad school was a great experience. I don't regret it in the slightest. But has almost everyone from my philosophy program moved on to do something else with their life now? Yes. @@dugramon
Yeah it's flat out not true and people who haven't done graduate school shouldn't be running their fucking mouths about it, like they think they know something.
droserabinata Yeah, it's true, because CH wouldn't lie! I get all of my life advice from CH, and guess what? I'm doing great. I'm not in prison, and I haven't broken any limbs. So, if they say grad school be like it is, it be.
+Zoltán Szászi depends on what you are studying and where you intend to go with it. I'm graduating with BA in English Lit, and a minor in Creative Writing. I intend to work as a library assistant where I can be paid $14-$18 an hour with benefits. If it works out I want study for a 2 year degree in Library science so I can be a librarian. If I make enough money I also want to open my own local bookstore.
givefreedom That's very smart, man! I study International Reations, (I mean, at home in Hungary although I'm on a semester abroad now) and I'm doing my MA. Basically, what I do now is reasearch, analysis, further advancement on some specific chosen fields. I am surrounded by people - Family, friends, buddies, fellow students, collegues - Who tell me that education is worth every penny. Ever since Tyrion Lannister said in Game of Thrones, "My mind is my weapon... And a mind needs boks like a sword needs a whetstone," it kind of became a motto for me.
Hh Kck Well, not quite, but yeah, education here provides a considerably better social mobility than the American system. Hungarian education is unexpensive and a large ammount of students get state scholarships based on their entrance performance. However, even the most expensive instutions will not charge you more than the HUF equivalent of 1000-1200 euros per semester for BA and 1100-1400 euros per semester for MA. Yet I think the average is something like 5-700 and 6-900 euros per semester for the BA and MA, respectively. Plus, if you have a state scholarship, you can do another complete program beside your first one and still won't be charged. So, say you start with something in Business and you want to accompany it with Sociology or Applied Economics - You can finish two unis entirely funded by the state if you're capable enough.
iamihop Sounds really awesome, dude. Congrats! I'm always happy to see that intelligent, capable people succeed, dunno, maybe hope for the planet getting smarter or something :) Anyways, that's a huge plus, even if you get a "scholarship" here, which is like extra money beside your tuition, it's still usually just a fraction of say, an average monthly worth of wage. We students usually just refer to it as "beer money" :D
No... No. No. No. Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants, CEOs, CFOs, COOs, great writers, artists, history researchers & anthropologists, musicians, linguists, scientists, ...engineers! They weren't lazy for staying in school. They weren't incompetent at life. That's a horrible inaccurate message downplaying the importance of education. It's completely irresponsible.
Do what makes you happy whether it makes a lot of money or not. Lifestyle is everything. I know a lot of people who have significant incomes and money doesn't make them happy. A rare few find loveable family and job. Different fields make different people happy. Some people need degrees and some don't. It would be rare to see a engineer, lawyer, physician, or scientist without a degree. I prefer certifications over schools; it shows you know the field enough to apply yourself and most people do it while they have a job. I wouldn't expect most people to like difficult fields, but I do.
Exactly, that's why I prefer my lawyers, medical professionals, researchers, engineers and government officials to only have 4 year degrees. Granted they can't do their jobs, but at least they're "good at life".
Actually in Australia and lots of other countries law is an undergraduate degree. Same goes for engineering and medicine. But if by medicine you mean surgeons who do open heart surgery, then sure, please get more training.
True, I would tend to agree with that. That being said, there's a big difference between someone who has started a PhD and one who has actually completed it - I've met tons of unemployed PhD candidates, but far fewer jobless PhD owners (I'm Canadian, so that could make a difference in my perspective)
This is why I became an Electrician lol. I'm making money and having all my schooling paid for while all the people going to university are graduating with degrees and working in Starbucks bahaha
that really depends on what graduate program, even if you don't see the worth in a Ph.D in archaeology or American English Literature, you must see the worth in a Ph.D in molecular biology or neurscience? Or an MD? i bet you don't see a fellow electrician when you have bodily maladies
John Smith A lot of people know what I'm talking about. I'm saying all these people getting business, literature, history, etc. Those are pretty much useless now these days unless you're going into something very specific.
darkscope2 Who goes to school for just "business." You cant even do that at my school, you need a specialization or you arent accepted into the program
00rphb Getting a degree just for something to do on a limited income is just stupid if you aren't going to use it in the future! I never said that trades is the be-all-end-all of life. There's plenty of great careers out there!
My friend = 4 year Liberal Arts degree, junior manager @ Target making approx. 35k/yr. 30k debt. Me, 18 month tech school, a few certs, system admin, 60k/yr, no debt. Almost double the pay, for half the credits and a fraction of the tuition cost. And I actually left with tangible, real-world skills that I put to immediate use. I will admit that without a bachelors, I'll hit my career ceiling relatively quickly. I'll probably max out my income in 5ish years, with no bachelors. I'd need a bachelors+ to move up into management and crack that elusive 6 figure income. But I'm content, and I actually like what I do. Not sure I want to leave the server room and do paperwork and meetings all day.
I find that similarly true. My graduate friends have business degrees like marketing and sales management. I'm just a freshman with a liberal studies (no idea what I want to be). We took a tour around corporate building 'Haier' with executive director and he told us it doesn't matter what degree you have, as long you have the passion, we will train you and help you. We were all shocked. The executive director also told us that they hired a guy with a biology major. Biology major in business field area?? If you pick a non-business major, no one will teach you how to create a good resume, create a LinkedIn account, and learn to interview and make connections unless you hangout with business friends or attend short business seminars.
Jdiggy77 You went the smart route. I'm 5 classes away from my BA degree in Criminal Justice. If I could go back, I would have gotten a degree in something like nursing (or related healthcare fields), or gone to trade school. I did go to community college for 2 years and saved a crap load of money though. I'm hoping to graduate next May with less than 10k in student loan debt, which is better than people graduating with 30-40k in student debt for something like Art History or American Studies.
If you'd chosen another path you might have even more money, started work immediately and not wasted 18 months studying. Or spent 8'years at college and become a doctor and make more money than you do now. Plenty of other life choices if your biggest concern is making money,
***** Perhaps. But I made my life choices based on what I love, taking costs (student loans) into consideration. I go to work everyday and absolutely love what I do. As a bachelor w/o kids, $60k serves my lifestyle just fine. It's not like I don't have options if I do want to further my scholastic studies. .
Kids... if you like programming: codeacademy.com if you want to be an artist: tumblr, deviantart, youtube, and most importantly PATREON.com If you want to learn a variety of sciences: khan academy, scishow, youtube in general. if you want to see ways to mix science and art: xkcd, scishow, geometry. There are so many beautiful subjects in this world to help you express your feelings, that driving desire inside you. This is the information age, it's all right there. Take it. Please.
Graduated high school by the skin of my teeth and never looked back. Ten years later, I talk to my old friends I graduated with that went on to go to college to see how awesome their lives must be and they tell me they have a hard time paying back student loans, finding a job, getting paid well ect. Then I tell them I make between 60-85k a year, only work 9 months a year, and have no debts as an operating engineer. School is were you're taught, the real world is where you learn. Experience > Education
This video is funny and all, but it's made out to be satirical, but there really isn't much truth behind it. Grad school is a necessity for employers these days if you want to get a well-paid job or get promoted in the work place.
But the point of grad school, especially if you majored in business, is to have some years of work experience in that field and THEN go back to get your masters. Your not supposed to go straight from undergrad to grad school. And sometimes your current employer will even pay for you if you decide to go back to grad school, so your not in a whole bunch of debt. This does not go for law school, dental school, med school etc.
Yes I agree. I was confused because I thought you were saying the opposite. Yes, psychology is a very good example. Majors like engineering will get you so far, but if you wanted to start on the business side of a company as an engineer, an MBA is often necessary.
Or you could get a trade, get paid to get certified, get paid to go to school, have your school tuition paid for and then make a killing before any of your friends graduate from their undergrad...
I'm getting a masters in Bioengineering. I might be replacing an arm you lost in the future... If you can afford it. Your mentality is why you will always stay middle class... Assuming you're even middle class.
***** He won't become an engineer, because: A.) "Bioengineering" isn't a real field and is just a bullshit major for people who can't hack it in actual engineering tracks. B.) He won't be replacing anyone's arms, because that would fall under a medical procedure, and he's not becoming a doctor. C.) As an actual engineer in a real engineering field with a real degree doing real engineering work, it's been my experience that self-felating types like him tend to be the most incompetent of engineers that wind up being carried by the people on the team who know what they're doing. He will find a lot of scorn and disdain in the future, assuming anyone buys his BS degree and lets him have an engineering position in the first place...
You don't even know what a bioengineer is do you? lol ya don't. It's actually considered one of the hardest engineer majors by those who are educated. For those talking shit because I'm defending education. Good luck in life :)
Doesn't hold for STEM fields. In STEM fields you get paid to pursue graduate studies. I'm in physics, so I know specifically about physics. Starting salaries for master students in physics in North America are about 22K, not including scholarships. In some countries in Europe starting salaries for master students in physics are insane. In Denmark, the starting salary for a master student in physics is around 65K plus a huge pension plan, not including scholarships. So yeah, unless you're majoring in women studies are some other shit nobody cares about or needs, you can earn a lot of knowledge and education while being financially secure at the same time.
andrew T I know many people from STEM and virtually none of them had too much trouble finding a job. Maybe it's because I and the people I know are from a top university. Some of the people I know even got quite a few great job offers before they graduated... You're right about academia. You need to be really fucking good to even get a shot at a professorship in a good uni. There's always a need for brains. There could never be too many brains. If you're a serious person from a STEM field and you really know your stuff, you'll be just fine.
Crazy Beard Man Not quite, you can't get a job as a physicist but there are loads of qualified, well paying jobs that you could get. For one, if you completely give up on science and tech, you can pretty easily get a good job in finance for example. They'd actually take physics and math students before they'd take finance students. In my uni, McKinsey & Company come on a yearly basis to the physics departments and offer really great contracts to people who are about to graduate. Anyway, the point is if you managed to get a physics degree, especially from a respectable uni, you'd be just fine financially. EDIT: I'm not even mentioning all the programming and engineering jobs many people with a physics degree end up taking...
Not at all true in my experience. Unfortunately, a lot of people cling to the myth that everything is going to be okay if they study STEM. Honestly, I think CollegeHumor could do a Quendelton State video just on that.
schmooz a The people who change our world went to graduate school. This skit is certainly funny and accurate in a lot of ways, but higher learning certainly has its merits. Working to earn a paycheck is a pathetic way to live life.
I hate this type of video. I have a phd. I have always been working really hard both during my research days and now also working in the industry. Yet, I have to suffer from these jokes and cliches getting thrown at me all the time.
Maybe not academia, my dad is a professor and hem makes more than enough money, but he knows people in bio-tech who make way more. Just having a degree doesn't mean anything, but going to college helps expand your creativity and your education.
"It's not unemployment if you pay tuition" LOL.
lol
You're not a NEET if you're in education.
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So true still
Exactly what the rich 1% want you to do. Also the government.
Back when CollegeHumor was actually about college and graduate school.
No it is about College HUMOR, not graduating and school crap
But, it never was
Kaio Clark
To each their own.
you sure about that?
Altrunchen I was just gonna type that exactly.
Real colleges: "Come give us your youth, your happiness, and your first born child in return for a $50k receipt" *award winning smile*
Me : allow me to introduce my friend from my conception
My college savings fund : hello
Me: this bad boy has enough money in it to get me out of college dept free now I want an education major with 2 art minors 3 if you count theatre and possibly business I don't know about business but it seams fun.
Real colleges: "Come give us your youth, your happiness, and your first born child in return for a $50k receipt" award winning smile
"Growing up, I based my self worth on my ability to get good grades.
Without a report card, I'd have a nervous ****ing breakdown."
I can't tell you how accurate this is to some people.
Bloody Hell.
It's me, even 7 years ago. I've truly considered killing myself for a C I got in high school. Glad I outgrew it, but even in college a B sends me spiraling. It's become a real issue.
@@dylangreyluxe I’m really sorry to hear that. I hope you’re doing okay today. Some grades can definitely be a downer.
@@dylangreyluxe Hope you're doing alright man
I've watched this before, being fresh from undergrad and working in a bank. It made me laugh. I decided to come back and watch it again now that I'm a graduate student. Made me cry.
Where are you now?
@@our.secret1130 I went back to working in banks lol. Grad school ended up having pretty much zero impact on my career choices.
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 graduate school is just one more star you had to align in your banking career. Nobody thinks it helped, but everyone in the room seems to have gone.
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575That fuckin sucks. Like zero impact on your earnings potential?
Grad school is for those who have very specific interest in their career.
I remember watching this video when I was a kid still in high school. I laughed thinking how this wouldn't be me, I wouldn't need grad school. I'd be a STEM major and have great job prospects. Well, I'm finally a rising Senior in college with no job offers I'm god damn terrified. I don't care if it puts me deeper in debt, I'd rather be broke than a sad adult in the real world. SAVE ME GRAD SCHOOL, YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE.
That's why I decided not to do stem. I went economics instead
you know what they say about college: one day you're a successful college graduate, the next day you're a unemployed loser
hows that treating you
Yeah am sure that there are plenty of jobs out there that absolutely require phd in ethics and philosophy 😂
How did things workout?
Yes, we all know those people. And we roll our eyes.
On the other hand, there are people who are told they are unemployable in their field unless they get a Masters or PhD.
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That's basically every degree besides engineering, computer science, and business.
@@ahumandoing6813 oh god in the time since I wrote the comment I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL.
@@jadedflames what did you do and do you regret now in hindsight?
@@ewp7615 Law School. Not really regret - I have a six figure job, a nice apartment, etc. but I am a lot less happy day to day. It’s complicated.
Many kids go to college for the wrong reasons or because they are told that is what they must do to survive in the real world. Grad school is for people who truly have a thirst for knowledge and strive to enter a career not a job. A job is something you would drop if you hit the lottery. A career e.g. doctor, scientist, economics ext..., is a "job" that you would never think about quitting, in fact if you won the lottery you would use the money to expand your career. I will go onto grad school and I will love every step of the way.
Uh.... If I won 100 million. No matter what I did, I would be quitting my job. It seems like you're implying that people who don't go to grad school don't have a thirst for knowledge or cant pursue a career. I hope that's not what you're saying.
No, that's not what I mean. Pressure from teachers and family placed upon high school students often leads them to make foolish choices like going to college when they truly belong in a trade school. Often students who don't like academics drop out with large amounts of debt. I like academics and for me knowledge is more important than money, no matter how much.
laetrille THANK YOU. Maybe most people hate grad school because they feel they HAVE to go in order to be taken seriously, and for several reasons they can't go? Truth is, nobody HAS to go. Nobody HAS to do anything. I paid for my grad school myself, and I live on my own. I'm not afraid of change; I thrive on it :) and that's why I got my MA, because it allowed me focus specifically on MY interests, while a BA is more generalized. Obviously, I know many people way older than me, that have been doing this for a while, and they know themselves that they got degrees just so they don't have to settle down or something... but not everyone who gets into grad school is like that. Hell, I know some BA students that are like that. Anyway... I fucking love knowledge, and to me grad school is a place where you can get more and produce your own. I loved your example with the lottery, because that is exactly what I would use the money for: expanding on my career. Maybe I'm too ambitious, but it's just what makes me happy. Enjoy the ride!
dubitataugustinus Good luck.
laetrille Yes they are told that, because colleges profit from this, many people arnt ready for college to begin with, it is why some of them join the military, or get a job for a few years.
"Growing up, I based my self worth on my ability to get good grades. Without a report card, I'd have a nervous f*cking breakdown!"
I thought I was the only one😂
"Because if we were good at life, we wouldn't need more school!" That last dude is literally high..
Luke Skywalker he says as he hits the bong
it really depends on what you study
Well, if by useful you mean "convincing people with tons of money that you are useful", that's certainly true.
ThricetheFun, Eric Blair, so, they pay him two hundred dollars an hour, to get what basic trainees get paid for, interesting.
Its useful to have an education... a GED... not so much
I love it when these people say stuff like "oh you were military, thats cool, I got into college." Then I laugh because theyre 23 and $80,000 in debt, while I'm actually getting paid to attend. I mean I still hear a buzzing sound in my head from the RPG our MRAP took..... actually ya know what, I think were equally stupid.
Damn. Were you in Afghanistan?
Yeah, sangin first pump, then like all over the friggin helmand province on the second one.
tcat 117 So...the choice is $80,000 in debt or takin a RPG? This world is one tough place ain't it?
tcat 117 Still more educated than you.
Maybe, but you still struggle controlling your urge to be an insufferable asshat in the midst of polite conversations and humorous occaisions so Imah call it an even match.
"I get to spend the next 10 years of my life analyzing 3 lines of a poem that's over 500-years-old. In the real world, that would be considered a mental disorder."
EXACTLY.
Liberal Arts degree defined
most useful arts PhD
Insert technical manual that's 50+years old instead of the poem, and you have a nuclear navy career summed up in a nutshell.
I wish grad school was like this... I wouldn't be praying for death on a daily basis... fyi, not suicidal, just super stressed out.
You an engineer or did you get a liberal arts degree?
Bilbo_Gamers for undergrad? or now?
+Mandraquex3000 both?
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I wish I could be of comfort, but that was my experience in grad school.
"if we we better at life, we wouldn't need more school!"
Exactly! That's why all the best doctors, engineers, scientists, and professors, start work straight out of high school!
Wait.....
Truest comment
yup
It's just a joke, bro
let's be honest half a year ago college humor was honest now we expect to hear realistic jokes in reality they ran out of ideas
But not everyone wants those things most jobs and professions are nothing like college or high school. yes those things may be true and it's best to have and study the knowledge 1st but in those cases college is required. plus no they don't start work but they do start college after having almost no chance to explore what they really want to do. In my psychology book in my own college, it said that almost 90℅ of college students change their major like 3 times wasting hundreds to thousands of dollars on the wrong information when you might not even need a degree for what you end up wanting to do. And some of the richest most successful people are either college drop outs or never went. unless you have a pigeon holed profession. It just costs you money and prepares you for situations that basically never happen in the average work place. Terrible closing statement but the overall message is still true.
Idk y but this video had me rolling."without a report card I'd have a nervous fcking breakdown" lmao
f2a Finito that girl was totally ME in my early 20s.
"It's not unemployment if you pay tuition." Ha, so true!
Not everything you do in life has to be about money. I want a PhD in History, and hopefully teach at the university level. Now will I make a ton of money?No. But its what I'll be happy about doing and to me that trumps money.
So basically you don't actually want to,work,a day in your life, you just want to stay in the college womb and continue reading books and writing essays, because when it comes down to it, you don't actually know how to be successful in the real,world.
Jack White I liked this video and all but hey, I doubt getting a PhD in History is easy so you should probably stop regurgitating what they said in the video, because it doesn't apply here. Also, how would lecturing at a university not be being successful in the "real world"? It's a living and, like he said, doing what you love is surely more important than money.
Studying isn't that difficult. Also, being a lecturer at a university is a fucking piss take. It is very easy job, and is for lazy fucks who don't want to work in an actually productive economic field.
Jack White lol, so you have been a university lecturer, no? Well neither have I but I can at least appreciate the work that it would entail.
And I really can't tell if you're a troll, because you are being so overly judgemental and ignorant it blows my mind.
The problem is that unless you are at a highly ranked school (like top 5?), you aren't going to get a tenure-track job offer. So you can hope to be an adjunct, or maybe if you get a teaching certificate, work at a public school (but I doubt that, no teacher wants a colleague with a PhD). Then we'll all get treated to whining about your low income and your student loan debt.
TL;DR: You say you don't care about money, but unemployed and adjunct PhD's are constantly complaining about money.
my bf is doing his PhD and i am very concerned about his health
Is it in a math department? Cause if it is, he should be driving himself fucking insane.
Nah, he's doing a doctorate in business haha but I can tell that even at week 5 the workload is fucking insane (numerous seminars, projects, presentations and whatnot). This one time he sent me a picture of his lunch which was literally just eggs mixed with water. Ugh.
pomeloed damn! Goodluck keeping him 😥 once he finishes his PhD, it's nothing but cute white girls with perky tits for him.
PhD is a very challenging journey. Keep supporting him, and keep it mutual as you can. There will be a lot of sacrifices along that journey. Good luck.
give him that sloppy toppy, he'll feel better
TH-cam’s recommending this video ten years after it’s uploaded when I’m about to enroll for my Master’s degree 😧
Same, I just put in those applications...
I am glad I got a normal job after high school and just lived a little and learned how to do everything by myself, now as a returning student I already planned how I am going to pay for tuition and minimize it as much as I can. I went to a community college first and then transferred after my first two years. Got all credits transferred :)
To all considering graduate school: a warning. My father is a pretty well known academic (philosophy). When I was considering going for my PhD in history this was what he told me: "Do you remember Ian?" He co-published with me as an undergrad, and was admitted into a top 20 PhD program. Ian now has been out of grad school for a few years and is still underemployed working as a waiter. My father also told me he has friends who are history professors who out of 5 grad students only one is employed as an academic, and that is as an adjunct making 5k a course. He concluded this speech with what I am about to tell you. Do not go to grad school unless these two things apply. You must go to grad school. I.E. if you did not you would hate and never forgive yourself. Secondly, you know beyond a doubt that you have the skill necessary. Otherwise you are wasting everyone's time and money.
+Everett Smith that applies to history, philosophy, humanities, etc. Not quantitative fields like STEM, finance, economics, statistics, etc where grad school is actually worth it
@@kvnd7331 I have an MA in economics. I is not worth it.
Depending on your content area, going to grad school straight out of regular college can hurt more than help. I'm doing education and some certified teachers came into one of my classes and told us "please get some actual experience before you go to grad school. How weird would it look if you had a Master's in Education without having ever actually done any education?"
"I'll spend 3 years analysing 3 lines of a poem that's 500 years old... in the real world, that would be considered a mental condition."
relieved I saw the light and didn't do post-grad English Lit!
*giggles in English major*
My history grad degree (sort of) worked out. I teach college history now. But, the money I spent on it isn’t even close to what I earn. Wish I’d have taken a trade on the side to help supplement income.
sameeeee :)
I received my MA in English last year and I am still picking up some hours at Walmart, along with my online tutoring job.
How about people who spend years analyzing one mathematical equation??? Lmao the hate against the humanities is strong here. The current economic system undervalues the humanities.
I'm going to major in English & minor in History, so I'll be guaranteed unemployable! :)
*cries in English major*
Are you employed now?
Actually, use your English major to teach English around the world~
i’m interested as well if you’re employed
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I know this is for humor. However, consider some ideas to your "real" grad school ad.
1. Most Masters and PhD level students have severe cases of imposter syndrome, they typically don't believe they're better than anyone.
2. Grades? Especially in your PhD, no one cares about grades. They care about results and output, they care about publications.
3. Not all, but most graduate students get teaching, research, or administrative assistantships. Tuition covered, with a stipend to cover basic expenses (food, rent)
4. It's incredibly rare for a graduate student to live in dorms unless your assistantship has to do with being an RA/RD. Otherwise, we stay away from undergrads.
5. One about being in a bluegrass band and law school was pretty good. Some graduate students don't know why they're there, especially Masters students. PhD? You know why you're there.
6. In graduate school, analyzing a poem for 4 years over 5,000 years old would be considered a mental disorder too. My PhD program required me to publish to graduate. Again, no one cares about grades, they want you to publish.
7. Yeah, graduate students typically are overly OCD or messy. I'll give you that one.
8. Campus living does NOT make anyone feel young. Being around undergrads makes graduate students uncomfortable. We're typically instructors, advisors, etc. We want undergrads to succeed, not have a beer with them.
9. C's get degrees doesn't get you into graduate school, FYI.
10. I love the concept of "real world" or "good at life" as opposed to journalists are in the real world that take my research, oversimplify it, and ultimately report it incorrectly
PhDInsomniac facts facts and more facts
10 point bulleted list has been made... nerve has been hit... mission accomplished ...
Just finished my grad program and I agree whole heartedly with your comment. Undergrads scare me and make me feel old. I avoided tf out of them.
your mommy definitely hugged me enough.... and yes i did enjoy her pillows ... tyvm.... next pls
chill with the ellipsis. No one will take you seriously if you don't learn how to write
I came to USA to get a Masters in Computer Science and today I am making 120K. I thought it would be tough, because I used to think that why would anyone choose to hire someone who came from half way across the world over someone who was born and brought up here. But it was piece of cake. There are so many jobs but not many people willing to do the hard work.
You were hired because you will work for less.
vivaloriflamme so you are saying 120K is less? My friend, you can keep making excuses all you want, but its not gonna get you anywhere. I was hired because I wanted to be hired and I made myself capable.
That’s so refreshing to hear. Honestly some people are just unwise and go into school with high tuition yet jobs with no demand like in the liberal arts section. . . honestly what did they expect. It takes a simple google search to see if your career path makes on average a sustainable living for you. It’s great to see someone who values education and works hard yet smart to provide a better living for themselves. Many jobs pay very well, I would say 100k+ is ideally what should be sought with a degree for sustainable living in California at least but that’s my opinion counting things like mortgage and healthcare. . ect.
vivaloriflamme but that’s just part of the market process, if they offer 100k and someone else’s hires for 120k, in a tight labor market, 120k is not gonna go down to 100k, but it’s the opposite.
Man it’s so simple.
Your experience is not representative. Just because you’re not struggling doesn’t mean struggle doesn’t exist despite people’s best efforts...
Some graduate programs are pretty good though. It just depends on what you’re studying. Like, if you’re studying English literature or something, you’re probably going to have a hard time finding a job. But a graduate degree in engineering or something like that can actually be really helpful in employment.
Welp, guess I'm headed to grad school
Pls don't. If you're bad at math, just be homeless, move to Chicago over several years, and grow ties and favors from the organized crime there. You'll be a millionaire in no time.
Problem is that undergraduate degrees just don't quite cut it anymore in the modern economy because their prestige has gone down considerably since more and more people were able to get them. Also there are some jobs that are totally inaccessible unless you have post-graduate education.
Actually I find it the other way around. I find the working life to be a comfort zone while going back to university to be a pain. I've been having a terrible time in university so far, but I love going out to events to meet professionals or well known people and working with them. Then it's back to the depressing "normal" people on campus whose high point in life is getting drunk at a party...
***** At the workplace, probably. I don't expect everybody to be open-minded and solution-oriented, and between the problem makers at fast-food restaurants and the professional workforce, I expect to see similarities. I usually go to find those rare gems that are dedicated to their craft. If it doesn't work out with them, that's perfectly fine too, it's time well spent. It remains to be more useful than any class or club I've ever been to in university. It's the university atmosphere and countless electives/theory I can't stand.
This statement begs the question of what you do for work.
Also, the depressing "normal" people on campus is the point of the skit. The people we see in the video are all those people.
Maybe I just failed at picking something up, but it seems like you should be agreeing with this video perfectly.
Dirtnaps McGee What I do is basically computer science and software engineering, where it's true that college material is utter garbage for these fields, but I was just selfishly giving my perspective on the whole thing, saying that college life is far from comfort and satisfaction. It's that the only thing college has going for it are its parties, which are already not a high point to aim for in life.
I empathize with you, as I am a college student as well and do not like the drunk party scene, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of people who don't participate in stuff like that. You should find some friends who don't act like that and you'll enjoy college a lot more.
jframe add me on g+. you say you do computer science well I am working on something maybe you can be part of. Im at Asu btw and it not bad
I never tried to pursue my dreams. Nothing is worse than that. I dont want to go to grad school. I want to stop being a coward
nyGIANTS It's never too late. Logout of youtube and get off your ass!
Of course, you're absolutely correct. Not pursuing a dream basically is the same as having no life. But as long as you can support yourself financially and maybe support a family, the dreams can be shut down for now. Why aim to have a career you will enjoy and work your best in if you don't have the guts to see to it to the end?
trying to find a job isn't near the risk that going six figures into debt in the name of education is. Comfort zone my ass
only in america, really
six figures? lol, those are rookie numbers here in america
"Slob? Try absent-minded intellectual" - seems to sum up my whole grad-school experience.
"Up until 35 I had a slightly skewed world view. I honestly believed everybody in the world wanted to make abstract paintings, and people only became lawyers and doctors and brokers and things because they couldn't make abstract paintings."
- Frank Stella
This is painfully, painfully, painfully accurate
Crazy thought: maybe it's not always explicitly about getting a job for some people - there's a difference between vocational school and college. I do know plenty of people who go into graduate school because they're not sure what they want out of life yet, sure, but there's also lots of people who go to grad school because they have a specific interest or talent. Weirdly enough, you can actually get jobs with degrees in European history, Latin American studies or whatever else people feel like shitting on nowadays, you just have to build skills through internships and whatnot. Ever heard of, for example: museum or art gallery curators? Newspaper or book editors? Social media managers? Advertising? Graphic design? Professional researchers? Librarians? Teachers? Translators and interpreters? Lawyers? Psychologists? Animators? TV anchors? Sports announcers? Campaign managers? Interior designers? Videogame concept artists? Those jobs are all attainable via non-STEM degrees because there's room in the world for more than one type of person.
And yes I know this video is intended to be funny, but it's not well done and the jokes are stale imo.
It's probably the case for most people that it's practically impossble to make a living out of the jobs you listed either because they have little to no openings or the salary is too low to pay off debt and whatnot.
Yeah, the issue is that you basically have to be the best in order to get the internships that lead to those jobs (or at least have the most impressive resume and be exceptional at interviewing). There aren't an unlimited number of those types of jobs--there are only so many museums, etc. Lawyer, accountant, software engineer? Not unlimited, but damn close to it.
@@jake_from_statefarm7209not only do you have to be exceptional, you have to work a job that pays a hair above minimum wage as well.
"Because if we were good at life, we wouldn't need more school!"
What did the girl at :31 say? "Said I would have loans til I was 47...let's aim for ten??"
+Napoleon Clark aim for dead.
+Napoleon Clark Dead.
+Ridgwaycer What is her name?
Julie.
she said "let's aim for dead."
Friends reference. Joey :3
I got that right away lol :)
Grad school is necessary for Engineering and Medical fields, without a masters you won't get professional memberships, better pay or move ahead in your career. If you have to go to Grad school, make sure its in a evergreen field like medical or engineering - however most people choose the easy way out and opt for literature, etc and when they can't find a job they blame all of grad school. Don't make terrible choices, learn basic finances. I personally started working after undergrad and now am planning for grad after saving enough for it - not taking loans.
fuck that literature is easy nonsense, you know how many essays by engineering and science students I helped edit? They were all pitiful. Engineering and sceince are more financially appealing these days because there's money to be made in those fields. You guys build stuff, invent medicines etc which are all very important in their own right, and extremely admirable, I just fucking hate it when people shit on liberal arts. Liberal arts are the basis of society, everything you know about math science, psychology stemmed from theology, literature, philosphy etc. And its not irrelevant either, its just that there's no money to be made there. Which is ultimately what the problem is, money fuels everything so people are left with limited options in pursuing what they want. Don't call me lazy for pursuing a liberal arts degree, masters or phd its just as much work as any engineering and science degree--just different.
***** I didn't say liberal arts was insignificant. I said a degree in liberal arts was unnecessary. Getting a masters or a phd often requires financial merit. As you stated that a Masters or PHD in liberal arts won't make you much money, then why would you go ahead and waste your money and time in pursing such a degree? It's financial nonsense. On the other hand, if you already have a liberal arts undergrad degree you should be focusing on contributing something - be it writing & publishing your own book or starting a damn website to showcase your art. Anything that brings IN THE MONEY. Honestly, people who know the financial constraints of such degree and still choose to pursue them are either financially incompetent thinkers or downright lazy and looking for ways to spend more time 'stuck' in the collage/university environment. Go out there, work your ass off and you'll succeed. Not all famous writers, philosophers artists, musicians etc had a degree - id be surprised if they'd have a masters in it. All in all, there is no end to education - however a degree shouldn't be your educational goal, as education could be had without it. There are sites like edX, UDemy where i can learn all i need, but don't necessarily want a degree in those subjects. Chill.
Mohammed Sameer Joad The end to which we aim in attaining an education at the graduate level is often not one concerned with financial security. Surely you don't mean to assume that a philosophy major aims to make incredible amounts of money writing a doctoral thesis on Kantian metaphysics; no, he aims to expand human knowledge. Not everything is about money; the "practical man" described by Russel is not a man one should aspire to be, but you sure seem to do so.
Jun Valles thank you for saying what i wanted to say only smarter and with less swearing.
Jun Valles Do I think that degrees in the arts are importand and good for personal development? Absolutely. But I don't see how writing a thesis on metaphysics is going to "expand human knowledge"
This hit different. As a person who just finished grad school and has to pay for it as the years go by, my feelings are hurt and I will get a law school student to see if I can sue for hurt feels.
This is only true if it's accurate to say you have no direction, drive, ambition, and knowledge, and yes, something that's useful and in need. If you have a plan and do well with a drive to succeed, it'll happen one day.
All of the "students" portrayed in the video are lazy, affluent, dumb fucks that have their parents pay their way through school and have absolutely no clue why they're there. It's their own fault.
What legit grad student smokes weed and gets drunk all the time, wearing sweat pants and a visor???
Basing your self worth on your own personal success in anything is the healthiest way to gain confidence. Academics just happen to be one of the most valuable avenues to engage in.
I like your point, but remember that satires are supposed to be exaggerated.
Well, I thought it was funny.
"Basing your self worth on your own personal success in anything is the healthiest way to gain confidence."
Or not so much, if you keep failing due to things that are only partially under your control.
There were plenty of people in my program that smoked weed and kicked ass. It's not the weed, it's your personality.
Isn't Grad school where you get your Masters and Doctorate degrees? If so, isn't that like saying that someone going to college is lazy because they can't work in the real world with their high school diploma?
That's why I'm in college. If I could get a decent (not phenomenal, just decent) paying job with just a high school diploma, that's just what I'd do. I like learning, I just don't like English, and math and the other useless stuff.
lol you clearly have no idea how grad school works.
CitizenofDystopia Feel free to explain.
Kevin15047 English, Math, and History are very useful by the way.
s0medudeonline I speak English, I have a calculator on my cell phone (and that's just a flip phone) and History (which I never mentioned) is a joy to study, and might actually be useful to me, an aspiring interpreter.
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TRIBBIANI IS BACK
yes. i love joey
I got that reference :)
That's what Wendy Williams say!
what isnt stated nearly enough about college and ESPECIALLY grad school is is
1. the mind numbing 300 page paper you'll have to crap out that NO ONE WILL READ
2. the stress
3. the debt + debt from undergrad school.
4. the miagrane that won't go away.
5. the stress x infinity if you have a family
6. keep adding to that stress if you are working, and if its barely paid or no paid internship....
bottom line is, maybe youll come out with a degree that might get you 6 figures and this is not a guarantee contrary to popular opinion. you will still on top of that have tortured yourself with endless stress, headaches, and endless BS like a 300 page paper. This is pain on the body mind and soul and it should not be treated lightly.
college students arent known for healthy living, grad students are that problem times infinity.
Im not gonna, lie Im pretty sure college has taken years off my life, and at the end of the day I have no clue whether or not I'll even get a job in my field.
yes I'm salty but I have a right to be, unless writing essays is now the number 1 skill all employers want.
This has aged very well
I fond it kinda weird how some people think that after their Bachelor degree college ends , in most fields you need a Master degree now to have a chance of getting a job , don't stop after 3 or 4 years if You have the willingness to continue.
Candidate 1: "I have a postgraduate degree"
Candidate 2: "I don't, but I'm good at life, so I don't need one"
Employer: "My choice here is obvious"
I feel like it should be candidate 1, so the employer will probably pick candidate 2, right?
Likely so, logic in an illogical world and all that
Not enough info from candidate 2. But if he was good at life, I'd say he could easily be the employer.
You don't need to be good at life for your job to happen to be in HR, but that's not the point, the primary purpose of getting a postgraduate degree is to have a postgraduate degree, it's no more an excuse for not being good at life than getting an undergraduate degree is
What does it even mean to be "good at life", idiot.
The least truthful cliché is probably the student who went to grad school because he couldn't get a job after undergrad. Grad schools generally only want two types of students: 1) those who have at least a year of work experience after undergrad; 2) exceptional undergrads who enroll into graduate school immediately after receiving their B.A./B.S. degrees.
Actually my brother went back to get his MBA when he couldn't find work. He's got a job now
Graduate skool is the snooze button on the clock radio of life. 💤
:58 "Slob? Try absent minded intellectual." LOL
You forgot how they're forced to teach some classes for your actual professors. That's right parents, go ahead and pay that $14,000 tuition for your undergrad to be taught 50% of the time by another student!
That's why you go to the small liberal arts colleges where your professor is ACTUALLY in class to talk to you.
I am an Indian kid and I'm really surprised that these things happened even in Western Universities too! I thought they happened only here...
Oh God I HATE grad student teachers!
IWE 2 Why???
Ecoi1
Because they're terrible. 90% of them don't know how to teach. They think that, because they are grad students and you're an undergrad, that you're beneath them and you don't deserve their attention. They are unreliable as far as answering e-mails and office hours are concerned. I had a grad student teacher last semester who didn't get our last test graded until AFTER the final because she was in Panama City partying.
I made a promise to myself, unless it is a full scholarship and I'm not pursuing anything atm, i will not go back to do my master. Otherwise, higher education doesn't provide value unless you are training for STEM. I believe in long-life and self- learning which we don't have to go to grad school to learn. Moreover, The cost of Education is just too high to justify anything. We have to make changes; take time to think about what you will do; don't rush the grad school decision; without a clear purpose, you will still end up directionless after acquiring another useless degree.
This video is 10 years old, and still 100% accurate
isn't it true that grad school students do most of the research??
***** yes
This is actually a good point. I mean you can still get a job with a BS or a BA but it's hella difficult. Also add the part where a C average is no different than an F in grad school.
Depressingly accurate for the most part.
10 years later on my recommendation list
Google search: job prospects for student with post graduate degree in liberal arts
Pulls gun out..........
Q___Q omg ive just completed my liberal arts & sciences degree and oh boy theres no recognition whatsoever and cant get any job either!!!! so much for good grades..
Sylveon No one ever asks to see your grades. D means Done.
Sylveon You said liberal arts AND science degree. Maybe with your good grades you can apply to a post grad degree in things like pharmacy, optometry, etc and at least that will lead to a job
Sylveon ach dont worry, itsalways a rough start, but stay in there and dont let it get you down. push and you shall recieve :)
ndaemon1718 I believe the proper term is "ask and you shall receive." But I'm not going to argue on what you mean by push and you shall receive.
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Funny because I'm still a fresh teen yet I'd recognize Joey's main line anywhere.
HOW YOU DOIN!?
They don't even get that reference.
Brock McDaniel Well, what reference was that?
Brock McDaniel Ha yeah Joey lol
***** Thanks! I never knew about 'friends'.
Now I do. It's awesome.
How you doin'?
Girls reaction" Ooh, gross!" lol
The absolute algorithm moment when I thought this video dropped in at least my current decade
Come on! Some people WANT to work in Academia. Some people want to do Research... and for those of us in STEM fields, graduate school is NECESSARY. Also, you wouldn't have TEACHERS without people going to graduate school. So no, it's not pointless... I'll take a year of after undergrad, but I WILL go to grad school.
And that kids is why you get a practical degree like engineering or computer science
joyboy232 or information technology with a few certs.
shingoldenwarrior nonsense.. thats all a fad!.. youll see.. before long the world markets will go literally nutz with puppets made from newpapers ! youll see!.. its gonna happen.. soon,... soon...
ndaemon1718 what the hell are you talking about.
joyboy232 thats a matter of debate.. in a thousand years archeologists will still wonder what i said here... it will be rigth up there with atlantis and the giant miniature space hamster myths! :)
ndaemon1718 Quick insert a picture of the all seeing eye and they will believe the Illuminati created the puppet overlords.
Depending on the subject, grad school, especially for a doctorate is often funded, so... not that different from being employed. For better or for worse, especially if you want to do your own research, be eligible for research grants etc. a doctorate is often essential. Graduate school is definitely not for everyone, but there are some very pragmatic reasons for attending depending on one's desired career path.
You don't have to go to college to make good money! I work at a warehouse and I make so much money, I could pay for a car in cash if I wanted to. (I just don't want to 'cause public transportation is cheaper and more reliable where I live). If I save my money, I can also afford to travel.
Although I find this sketch humorous, I disagree with most of its content. At least where I go to school (U of Michigan), grad students appear to be dedicated, hardworking, and incredibly bright. I myself am entering my junior year and intend to apply for a PhD program (cognitive science). If you do about 30 seconds of research, most major universities pay their students a massive stipend (which often covers most or all of tuition) if they get accepted into a PhD program. There also appears to be a stigma against academic majors such as philosophy, psychology, or literature; one can easily find unemployment statistics by college major. The most unemployed majors tend to be architecture and art majors. Grad school graduates also tend to have much lower unemployment and higher wages in general compared to 4 year grads and high school grads. It's a little frustrating seeing comments from people who have no idea what they're talking about on here with misinformation. Anyone who is interested should look this stuff up for themselves instead of buying into the common assumption that academic achievement is a waste of money and time.
Money = prestige in most societies and someone with an MBA from a school akin to Michigan will make 2-3x as much money as someone with a PhD from the same caliber program in philosophy will ever hope to make (on the average) with far, far less time spent in a classroom.
So, toiling away writing peer-reviewed papers and making $60k/year, driving a 2003 Honda Accord, and living in a 1 bedroom apartment in some crummy town is one way to go. But the guy making $150k, driving a 2013 BMW 3-class, and living in a high rise in a major metro will always be viewed as the far more successful person.
Tom G. While I certainly agree that businessmen are often viewed as more successful because money does often equal prestige, the difference in income is actual quite a bit less than you would think. Average MBA graduates make $113k on average (which is of course still a product of grad school), while philosophy PhD graduates make $87k on average, usually as a professor, which is more than enough to live comfortably. The type of person to go to grad school for philosophy (myself hopefully included) tend to have a passion for the field and would much rather have a great job with less pay than selling their soul to corporate for more money.
another psych major ... definitely need more of those.... not like there is an massive oversupply .... enjoy "grad school" lol....
Timothy H Timothy H Can you... stop trolling on TH-cam... and go back to working at McDonald’s... so you can... at least contribute... to society... in “some way”... lol!
I'm a graduate student in philosophy. I am fully funded because I teach a highly in demand introductory critical thinking course that is required for all students at our big state university. I am taking out no loans, I have no debt, I live in a safe home in a beautiful city with good friends and I am very happy with my life. I feel sorry for my friends that went into entry level corporate jobs after undergrad. Most of them make more money than me, but they don't get to do what they love and they don't have the freedom that I have. I'm not wealthy, but I'm debt free, happy, and I get to do work that contributes to society and helps students develop the skills they need to excel in college and in the work world, as well as become better educated and more well rounded people. So while this video is amusing, it's definitely not representative of all graduate students.
What is your plan after your graduate studies?
8 years later, hows it going?
The sacrifices you make by going to grad school do not become as clear until you get older. Your priorities will likely change. Things like stability and financial security will likely be more important. I think grad school attracts a lot of smart and idealistic people, but it isn't always the highest and best use of their time. I do stand by most of what I said 8 years ago; grad school was a great experience. I don't regret it in the slightest. But has almost everyone from my philosophy program moved on to do something else with their life now? Yes. @@dugramon
"Of all human pursuits, the pursuit of wisdom is the more perfect, more noble, more useful, and more full of joy." -- St. Thomas Aquinas
As a fourth year university student, this video gets me worried about life after graduation.
I hope things worked out for you
...This is not what graduate school is like.
Yeah it's flat out not true and people who haven't done graduate school shouldn't be running their fucking mouths about it, like they think they know something.
droserabinata
Yeah, it's true, because CH wouldn't lie! I get all of my life advice from CH, and guess what? I'm doing great. I'm not in prison, and I haven't broken any limbs. So, if they say grad school be like it is, it be.
I can't tell if you're trolling me or not.
droserabinata
Then maybe you should go to grad skool.
:P haha ok
Is it really like that in America? In my country and on my field, a Master degree is a very good and logical goal to strive for.
+Zoltán Szászi depends on what you are studying and where you intend to go with it. I'm graduating with BA in English Lit, and a minor in Creative Writing. I intend to work as a library assistant where I can be paid $14-$18 an hour with benefits. If it works out I want study for a 2 year degree in Library science so I can be a librarian. If I make enough money I also want to open my own local bookstore.
givefreedom That's very smart, man! I study International Reations, (I mean, at home in Hungary although I'm on a semester abroad now) and I'm doing my MA. Basically, what I do now is reasearch, analysis, further advancement on some specific chosen fields. I am surrounded by people - Family, friends, buddies, fellow students, collegues - Who tell me that education is worth every penny. Ever since Tyrion Lannister said in Game of Thrones, "My mind is my weapon... And a mind needs boks like a sword needs a whetstone," it kind of became a motto for me.
+Zoltán Szászi In your country, college is probably free.
Hh Kck Well, not quite, but yeah, education here provides a considerably better social mobility than the American system. Hungarian education is unexpensive and a large ammount of students get state scholarships based on their entrance performance. However, even the most expensive instutions will not charge you more than the HUF equivalent of 1000-1200 euros per semester for BA and 1100-1400 euros per semester for MA. Yet I think the average is something like 5-700 and 6-900 euros per semester for the BA and MA, respectively. Plus, if you have a state scholarship, you can do another complete program beside your first one and still won't be charged. So, say you start with something in Business and you want to accompany it with Sociology or Applied Economics - You can finish two unis entirely funded by the state if you're capable enough.
iamihop Sounds really awesome, dude. Congrats! I'm always happy to see that intelligent, capable people succeed, dunno, maybe hope for the planet getting smarter or something :) Anyways, that's a huge plus, even if you get a "scholarship" here, which is like extra money beside your tuition, it's still usually just a fraction of say, an average monthly worth of wage. We students usually just refer to it as "beer money" :D
No... No. No. No.
Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants, CEOs, CFOs, COOs, great writers, artists, history researchers & anthropologists, musicians, linguists, scientists, ...engineers!
They weren't lazy for staying in school. They weren't incompetent at life.
That's a horrible inaccurate message downplaying the importance of education. It's completely irresponsible.
Do what makes you happy whether it makes a lot of money or not. Lifestyle is everything. I know a lot of people who have significant incomes and money doesn't make them happy. A rare few find loveable family and job. Different fields make different people happy. Some people need degrees and some don't. It would be rare to see a engineer, lawyer, physician, or scientist without a degree. I prefer certifications over schools; it shows you know the field enough to apply yourself and most people do it while they have a job. I wouldn't expect most people to like difficult fields, but I do.
Back when college humor was college humor
Exactly, that's why I prefer my lawyers, medical professionals, researchers, engineers and government officials to only have 4 year degrees. Granted they can't do their jobs, but at least they're "good at life".
Actually in Australia and lots of other countries law is an undergraduate degree. Same goes for engineering and medicine. But if by medicine you mean surgeons who do open heart surgery, then sure, please get more training.
DAMMNNNN!!!!
This has aged like fine whisky.
True, I would tend to agree with that. That being said, there's a big difference between someone who has started a PhD and one who has actually completed it - I've met tons of unemployed PhD candidates, but far fewer jobless PhD owners (I'm Canadian, so that could make a difference in my perspective)
"They don't even get that reference!" BRILLIANT.
This is why I became an Electrician lol. I'm making money and having all my schooling paid for while all the people going to university are graduating with degrees and working in Starbucks bahaha
that really depends on what graduate program, even if you don't see the worth in a Ph.D in archaeology or American English Literature, you must see the worth in a Ph.D in molecular biology or neurscience? Or an MD? i bet you don't see a fellow electrician when you have bodily maladies
John Smith A lot of people know what I'm talking about. I'm saying all these people getting business, literature, history, etc. Those are pretty much useless now these days unless you're going into something very specific.
darkscope2 Who goes to school for just "business." You cant even do that at my school, you need a specialization or you arent accepted into the program
Jack Mauer If you work in the city yeah... I work up north and make the big bucks lol
00rphb Getting a degree just for something to do on a limited income is just stupid if you aren't going to use it in the future! I never said that trades is the be-all-end-all of life. There's plenty of great careers out there!
Faye Valentine. I was trying so hard to place Daniella Pineda's face and this was it. I've watched this so many times lol
My friend = 4 year Liberal Arts degree, junior manager @ Target making approx. 35k/yr. 30k debt.
Me, 18 month tech school, a few certs, system admin, 60k/yr, no debt.
Almost double the pay, for half the credits and a fraction of the tuition cost. And I actually left with tangible, real-world skills that I put to immediate use.
I will admit that without a bachelors, I'll hit my career ceiling relatively quickly. I'll probably max out my income in 5ish years, with no bachelors. I'd need a bachelors+ to move up into management and crack that elusive 6 figure income. But I'm content, and I actually like what I do. Not sure I want to leave the server room and do paperwork and meetings all day.
I find that similarly true. My graduate friends have business degrees like marketing and sales management. I'm just a freshman with a liberal studies (no idea what I want to be). We took a tour around corporate building 'Haier' with executive director and he told us it doesn't matter what degree you have, as long you have the passion, we will train you and help you. We were all shocked. The executive director also told us that they hired a guy with a biology major. Biology major in business field area??
If you pick a non-business major, no one will teach you how to create a good resume, create a LinkedIn account, and learn to interview and make connections unless you hangout with business friends or attend short business seminars.
Jdiggy77 You went the smart route. I'm 5 classes away from my BA degree in Criminal Justice. If I could go back, I would have gotten a degree in something like nursing (or related healthcare fields), or gone to trade school. I did go to community college for 2 years and saved a crap load of money though. I'm hoping to graduate next May with less than 10k in student loan debt, which is better than people graduating with 30-40k in student debt for something like Art History or American Studies.
If you'd chosen another path you might have even more money, started work immediately and not wasted 18 months studying. Or spent 8'years at college and become a doctor and make more money than you do now. Plenty of other life choices if your biggest concern is making money,
***** Perhaps. But I made my life choices based on what I love, taking costs (student loans) into consideration.
I go to work everyday and absolutely love what I do. As a bachelor w/o kids, $60k serves my lifestyle just fine. It's not like I don't have options if I do want to further my scholastic studies. .
Just go back to college and get a IT bachelors (part-time) when you reach your peak. No need to stay put when you can grow. Do it online.
Kids...
if you like programming: codeacademy.com
if you want to be an artist: tumblr, deviantart, youtube, and most importantly PATREON.com
If you want to learn a variety of sciences: khan academy, scishow, youtube in general.
if you want to see ways to mix science and art: xkcd, scishow, geometry.
There are so many beautiful subjects in this world to help you express your feelings, that driving desire inside you. This is the information age, it's all right there. Take it. Please.
Graduated high school by the skin of my teeth and never looked back. Ten years later, I talk to my old friends I graduated with that went on to go to college to see how awesome their lives must be and they tell me they have a hard time paying back student loans, finding a job, getting paid well ect. Then I tell them I make between 60-85k a year, only work 9 months a year, and have no debts as an operating engineer. School is were you're taught, the real world is where you learn. Experience > Education
This video is funny and all, but it's made out to be satirical, but there really isn't much truth behind it. Grad school is a necessity for employers these days if you want to get a well-paid job or get promoted in the work place.
But the point of grad school, especially if you majored in business, is to have some years of work experience in that field and THEN go back to get your masters.
Your not supposed to go straight from undergrad to grad school. And sometimes your current employer will even pay for you if you decide to go back to grad school, so your not in a whole bunch of debt.
This does not go for law school, dental school, med school etc.
Bryce A Some, you can, but you'll be limited. Which ones are you referring to?
Psychology is the first that comes to mind as a major that you need to go to grad school for, you mean?
Yes I agree. I was confused because I thought you were saying the opposite. Yes, psychology is a very good example. Majors like engineering will get you so far, but if you wanted to start on the business side of a company as an engineer, an MBA is often necessary.
Or you could get a trade, get paid to get certified, get paid to go to school, have your school tuition paid for and then make a killing before any of your friends graduate from their undergrad...
Yeah, I just accepted a graduate school offer. Thanks for patting me on the back
Yeah I went back to school because I fail at life
This aged well.
Don't make fun of grad students.... They've just... made horrible life choices.
Said the drop out ;) Getting a masters in bioengineering is not a bad life choice.
Troy Sincomb I'll be sure to keep an eye out for you the next time I'm ordering at Starbuck's then. Just remember I like two sugars in my coffee.
I'm getting a masters in Bioengineering. I might be replacing an arm you lost in the future... If you can afford it. Your mentality is why you will always stay middle class... Assuming you're even middle class.
***** He won't become an engineer, because:
A.) "Bioengineering" isn't a real field and is just a bullshit major for people who can't hack it in actual engineering tracks.
B.) He won't be replacing anyone's arms, because that would fall under a medical procedure, and he's not becoming a doctor.
C.) As an actual engineer in a real engineering field with a real degree doing real engineering work, it's been my experience that self-felating types like him tend to be the most incompetent of engineers that wind up being carried by the people on the team who know what they're doing. He will find a lot of scorn and disdain in the future, assuming anyone buys his BS degree and lets him have an engineering position in the first place...
You don't even know what a bioengineer is do you? lol ya don't. It's actually considered one of the hardest engineer majors by those who are educated. For those talking shit because I'm defending education. Good luck in life :)
*sobs into GRE test prep book*
“Change scares me shitless” rocked me to my core. I’ve been called out
Doesn't hold for STEM fields. In STEM fields you get paid to pursue graduate studies. I'm in physics, so I know specifically about physics. Starting salaries for master students in physics in North America are about 22K, not including scholarships. In some countries in Europe starting salaries for master students in physics are insane. In Denmark, the starting salary for a master student in physics is around 65K plus a huge pension plan, not including scholarships. So yeah, unless you're majoring in women studies are some other shit nobody cares about or needs, you can earn a lot of knowledge and education while being financially secure at the same time.
andrew T
I know many people from STEM and virtually none of them had too much trouble finding a job. Maybe it's because I and the people I know are from a top university. Some of the people I know even got quite a few great job offers before they graduated...
You're right about academia. You need to be really fucking good to even get a shot at a professorship in a good uni.
There's always a need for brains. There could never be too many brains. If you're a serious person from a STEM field and you really know your stuff, you'll be just fine.
Don't forget the opportunity cost you incur by going to school instead of earning money on a real job.
windowsmaclinux You can't get a job in Physics without grad school, so there is no opportunity cost. Your comment is just plain wrong.
Crazy Beard Man
Not quite, you can't get a job as a physicist but there are loads of qualified, well paying jobs that you could get. For one, if you completely give up on science and tech, you can pretty easily get a good job in finance for example. They'd actually take physics and math students before they'd take finance students.
In my uni, McKinsey & Company come on a yearly basis to the physics departments and offer really great contracts to people who are about to graduate. Anyway, the point is if you managed to get a physics degree, especially from a respectable uni, you'd be just fine financially.
EDIT: I'm not even mentioning all the programming and engineering jobs many people with a physics degree end up taking...
Not at all true in my experience. Unfortunately, a lot of people cling to the myth that everything is going to be okay if they study STEM. Honestly, I think CollegeHumor could do a Quendelton State video just on that.
Speaking as a person with a PhD I can confirm this is 100% accurate
Sad but true... I am finishing my MBA now I am looking for another graduate program to get into...
Why the hell did you get an MBA then?
fitzza1990
Why not? Then I can be uneducated unemployed instead of just being unemployed...
You are not just unemployed. You are in debt and unemployed.
schmooz a Yeah but it was a lot of fun too...
schmooz a The people who change our world went to graduate school. This skit is certainly funny and accurate in a lot of ways, but higher learning certainly has its merits. Working to earn a paycheck is a pathetic way to live life.
Funny stuff, and very good acting and editing, please keep it up.
That awkward moment when this video was filmed at your college...
It's funny because some of it is really true
I hate this type of video. I have a phd. I have always been working really hard both during my research days and now also working in the industry. Yet, I have to suffer from these jokes and cliches getting thrown at me all the time.
relax, dont get angry bout some silly youtube vid, get angry bout yr wasted youth and massive massive student debt
Sam Dawkins no debt for me thanks. I come from a civilized country with low fees and worked some time at an investment bank.
If you got a PhD, you would be making more than enough money to pay off loans, if you even have any.
John Smith thats def not always true. even if you do land a good academic job, and get tenure, academicia is not known for making the big dollars
Maybe not academia, my dad is a professor and hem makes more than enough money, but he knows people in bio-tech who make way more. Just having a degree doesn't mean anything, but going to college helps expand your creativity and your education.
Finished my undergrad last semester and now in the Air Force with 9 months of training. Literally feels like I went right back to school. FML.