She knew he had multiple women and still married him. Why? Because deep down she was ok with sharing him but society told her she should be angry and try to control him. He never tried to control her.
As Maya Angelou wisely said “when someone shows you who they are, believe them THE FIRST TIME". Giving second and third chances to undeserving people is a huge mistake and that lady paid it with her life.
Typical narcissist. They love bomb and are super attentive in the beginning to lock you in. When they know you’re not going anywhere, they drop the mask and go back to who they really are. The other person is pining and hoping to see the charming, loving person they met at the beginning. They change themselves, trying to bring that person back when they NEVER EXISTED. When you are with a narcissist, that person at the beginning IS THE FAKE.
You said it all. Great comment. Anyone who tells me they love me less than many months into the relationship has my doubt meter sending alarm signals loud and clear.
This is litteraly the begining of every human relationship its just if someone handles the various social transitions in excessivley selfish ways it becomes toxic and thats ultimatley what makes it narcissm. Masks are a neccesary evil as the world is cruel and dangerous. Its how you wear your mask and when that seperates good from bad.
@@RightToFreedomGirlThere are different degrees of a sentence of Life in the USA,,, There’s Life which means theJudge will set parole usually for 25 years that means they COME UP for Parole which some are denied parole and it doesn’t come up for another 10 years…. Then there is Life with No Parole.. and Life and a day( Not sure what that means))) About 20 States do not have the Death Penalty, most do.
When I confronted my ex husband who was serial cheating with online profiles, I made sure to tell him I already spoke with my family and told them if something happens to me, it was him. Probably because I’ve always watched weird shows like this 😅😭 or maybe I saved my own life with that. Who knows lol scary stuff
That was actually a really good idea. You just never can tell about some people. Especially the ones who would do something like that and betray their spouse so much and in such an extreme way, having numerous infidelities. That's pretty extreme a lot more so than just a one time thing caused by bad judgement. Although that's bad too. Good for you for leaving.
Why would any woman continue to stay with a SERIAL CHEATER. This is why the courts, police, judges and people DON'T care when women are abused. Women KEEP putting up with things no human being should put up with. LEAVE THESE MEN ALONE. How hard is that for women to COMPREHEND?
Sounds like he loved her and he still had plenty of love to go around. She should have learned to share him if she didn't want to end the relationship. Why didn't she just leave him?
@@Originalman144 you are _willfully_ ignorant on this topic. You could go do the research on the psychology of such relationships but you choose to spout this nonsense instead.
Ex husband was exactly like him. Almost killed me. I got out after the first try... Same behavior, selfish, only going for what he wants.... Biggest lesson that made me turn my life around. The end of the day I'm almost grateful it happened and opened my eyes about boundaries and self confidence. I'm thriving now. Thanks to that trauma. I wish these girls got out before all the tragedy happened.
Well done! So glad you made it out! I had a lucky escape - both my abusive boyfriends dumped me. Looking back it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I couldn't be happier now!
@@sofialovinglife597I don't know that she's blaming the victim exactly, but I can see how it can look that way. As I've said, he wasn't giving her an honest picture of himself and what he wanted so she's not working with reality. When emotions are involved and you're not even given a true representation of who your partner is BY your partner, it's not surprising that logic gets lost. People do silly things in non abusive, "normal" relationships so it's not the place for anyone to start judging in situations like this.
@@sofialovinglife597obviously you never heard of the phrase “Hit me once your fault. Hit me twice, mine.” No blaming the victim in that case with that comment, just spitting facts.
If you've grown up in a dysfunctional family where violence and infidelity is the norm, you don't know any better. You are groomed to accept a high level of cruelty. Sadly you attract the wrong kind of partner who are able to size you and your vulnerabilities up. Later when you begin to realize all this it's like trying to escape a cult. You need specialist help beyond normal therapy or counseling......you need an expert in deprogramming such as cult victims do when they escape. It's not so easy as you think, especially if children are involved and you have no money and nowhere to go and no caring family to back you up. @@5thdimension625
The more women are educated by shows like this the better prepared they are to avoid these types. I appreciate this content. They are predators and when they shower you with attention (love bombing) in the beginning, it is hard to recognize the red flags. When there is excessive attention in the beginning of a relationship it is a GIANT RED FLAG. If they tell you a sad story to try and gain sympathy, it is ANOTHER GIANT RED FLAG. Empathetic people are the their favorite target. Empaths frame of reference is often others feel the same level of empathy as they do, when in truth, being too empathetic towards others makes you an easy target. It is sort of naivety even though it is a desired trait (versus narcissistic). A personality disordered person can smell an empathetic person a mile away.
I agree many many men get away with abuse towards women in Ontario, Canada, and the same day, different men around the world in boys club protecting men. While women, including mothers of sons who drive women to early death, the stress they cause relationships, families alcoholic compulsive behavior, addiction problems themselves giving others nothing but combativness and denial and narcissistic personality disorder.
@jessiefrye3045 "If they cheat, they do not love you. Walk away. Don't say a word, they already know why. Just WALK AWAY" "If they cheat, they do not love you." 😔👍🏻 "Walk away." 👍🏻 "Don't say a word,..." 👍🏻 "...they already know why." 👍🏻 "Just WALK AWAY" 👍🏻 And then certain cheaters will go after their victims to (completely) ruin the latter mentioned's lives. 😤😭 Disgusting!
@@spitfirestake54 That's normal thinking! These types don't think they have to make choices, and that they deserve it all. They use anybody and everybody to meet their own means.
This is sad but also a good lesson for young ladies. If a boyfriend cheats on you walk away. If your boyfriend is treating you bad walk away. Don’t be like I just love him so much. I had to kiss a lot of frogs to get to the prince and I’ve been happily married for 32 years.
💯 You're absolutely CORRECT ..... ⚠️ Cheaters NEVER CHANGED !!! -> just get OUT, -> no point fighting for cheaters to be good & faithful in future, it's always better be single with QUALiTY & tranquillity life, rather than 'show case marriage life' but in suffering . 2024jan14h, Sun
I agree 100%. Was cheated on and learned a valuable lesson, never took him back. Met another wonderful man a year later and this year we celebrate our 49th anniversary with 2 children and 4 wonderful grandchildren. Don’t tolerate being cheated on. You deserve much more.
This guy is definitely narcissistic, too, amongst being a psychopath. If you research narcissistic relationships, you'll find out why the wife stayed with him. There's trauma bonding involved, for one. Narcissists view others as objects.
People are stating that the reason she stayed in the relationship was out of love but narcissists don’t inspire love, they inspire obsession. Love is emotionally a two way street, it’s a one way street when you’re in a relationship with a narcissist. Found this out the hard way.
The major thing that's people keep ignoring is,,,,narcissists targets always those who lack self love for themselves .....to escape a narcissist, show them that you have boundaries by saying NO,,,and block them on every platform,,and consistent non contact....that's how they realise they selected a wrong prey and walk away cause of a severe narc injury caused by you setting boundaries for you.
"Having a man does not *define* you as a woman. He should only serve as an uplifting, loving, and supportive *addition* to your life." - Mama Love yourselves ladies. Know your worth. You deserve the best, served to you on a platinum platter. 👑 ♥ 👑
"You deserve the best, served to you on a platinum platter." Lol. Most women degrade themselves with little help. Having a husband--not a man--is exactly what most women need.
It's comments like this that make feel assured White race will go extinct in a couple of years and Islam will take over the world as was prophesized to begin the final stage of corruption in society.
Ladies, (or gents), in situations like this, it might be embarrassing and emotional, but never confront anyone ALONE. Have a witness, do it with family, or in a public place. When people are confronted and their lies are revealed, there is no telling what will happen.
Just watched this and I’m floored ! My story exactly with my narcissistic partner over 25 years. Except my narc was an expert, he would never chance me looking at his computer or social media and would be so deceptive and manipulative that I would never have even thought to look. Until he started getting sloppy and I caught him with the other supply in which he had many thanks to the internet. This guy was an amateur narcissist. Mine was over 60 and was a pro. I became just as obsessed as she was in finding proof he was lying. Unless you have ever been With a real narcissist especially covert, you could never understand why someone would stay in a relationship with all the red flags. They truly are capable of turning a rational human’s brain to mush with all the mind games. They are demonic I wish she would have just gathered her stuff and left. But her mistake was when she threatened him with showing his parents which would have shamed him. Something they cannot accept. It’s eerie how they are all the same half human half not
Love is not necessarily a postive emotion and if theres one situation that highlights this...its Vicki's situation. Every part of their relationship was a red flag but her feeling of love for him superseded her own emotional wellbeing
I don't think base people like this even understand real love or even friendship. Her family are just as dim as they did nothing to get him away from her. So right there are 2 types of love,, and this lot cannot distinguish one from the other.,
@@nowirehangers2815 hers not his...whether you think her emotion towards him was or wasn't love for her it was ...therefore love that's not positive 👍🏽
@@jenniferyule8786 did they see, did she tell them...in my experience with abused spouses most families don't know or their family member denies it so they don't interfer
I really don't believe that he was that intelligent at all. Did he really think that her parents would believe those fabricated texts. Also, did he think that he would leave her body in the garage to decompose and not be noticed by anyone? I think that he got off with a very easy sentence. He murdered her because he could not handle being confronted with the truth. Better to be labeled a cheater that a narcissistic murderer. He should have received a sentence of at least 30 years before parole eligibility. Although, I do believe that the UK has much lighter sentencing than the USA. He did not deserve a kind and forgiving woman like Vikki. So very sad. 😢
Narcs are good at delusional thinking or magical thinking. They're sooooo convinced that they are smarter than everyone else, and that they're untouchable. Ugh.
advice for everyone: stay single!!! nothing wrong with being strong & independent!! i’ve been more successful single than i ever was with a partner, they only slowed me down. i was a mom of 2, their dad was on drugs & left because i would not do them or approve of him doing them. i provided well, bought a nice new home, finished college … no man needed
Your daughters might disagree. There’s value in a healthy partnership and a type of emotional wealth when you find someone worthy of trust. You’re worth experiencing that depth of connection: it teaches you something about yourself.
@@plushrush I came from a broken home and I can tell you I AM GLAD MY MOTHER LEFT MY FATHER. Keeping children in a toxic environment is no good! No woman should stay in an abusive toxic relationship EVER! I am happy not having a male in my life. They never added anything but chaos and misery. I was felt more alone being with a man than I do without.
But does that matter??.. this only means he knew she lacked selflove,selfesteem,selfworth,,,,to him,,,,,she is a toy he can chew.....that means he knew she saw him above her.....and look what happened??? Your comment is not the lesson here!!!!
But that's not the lesson here. She had super low self esteem, self worth, self love, self validation to allow him to use and abuse her. Young women and men need to learn to hold themselves in high esteem so as to not tolerate toxic/ abusive behaviour, friendships and relationships.
Of course, very good men exist, but not in numbers and only a really good one is worth it. You cannot even have nice hobbies with a controlling man, putting you down constantly on top of everything. A termination is a no go sign for a relationship; one should always find someone else thereafter, since that thing to happen, there is something really wrong with the relationship. Nothing repairs a lost life and traumatising things happen when sb s feelings are not properly addressed. To me, this guy was immature more than anything, but from that starting point of immaturity things escalated to stg much more sinister for him refusing to grow up. He expected everyone else to suffer and take care of the mess he created. What he did not understand was that they did all that, covering up for his shortcomings, but with such an emotional load that they could not take it anymore, and facing the reality, without the wife cushioning him from it was too hard a cookie for this guy to bite. Compulsive cheaters flee stg, they might have been seriously hurt, but confrontation means stopping, and whenever flight is no more possible fight comes into play. My ex was the kind of guy who crashed vehicles etc. And expected sb to take care of his mess, whereas I personally needed to get by without much emotional support from anyone, so I could not provide him with the kind of safety network for sb else bearing the consequences. I needed a man to share the responsibility with me or to at least let me take care of everything on my own, without distracting me. And I ended up as a Single mother, having a man around just for the crucial start, on his conditions. And a man needs some qualities for that as well, more than what these Don Juans have.
Once you have proved that he's cheating,to yourself. Do not confront,just get out asap. That protects you & hurts them more than u know. Narcs cannot handle being ignored. No contact, him or his contacts. Who wants to hear about a loser?
Sad that many women are desperate to get married. Please try to appreciate and better yourself in every way possible. Go to College take courses to improve your mind that will eventually help you. Marriage is wonderful BUT it takes 2 people that are willing to make it work.
@@merrickmeyersIf she was carrying on with other men, I don’t think she would have cared what he was doing…or at least not so much that she would confront him.
As a sheltered, shy and introverted girl who was the victim of two narcissists, I’m glad this kind of content is available to remind me of the dangers out there. I will never trust another romantic partner again, nor do I want one. I am now a single mum by choice of two beautiful daughters and learning about this kind of charming evil doer is going to be part of their education when they are teens.
Advice for you: learn to set standards and boundaries for you.....one red flag is enough/never make excuses/....the minute a narcissist sees that,,,they'll walk away and start to find another prey for them with low selfesteem and who lack boundaries
I have had 2 in my life! I’m currently in school to get a masters degree in forensic psychology because of what I’ve been through! You use the same wording as I do for my life now. Single by choice & never trust another romantic partner! I am totally on the same page as you are and have learned so much about myself throughout this process. Sending best wishes your way. I am thriving being single and a 4.0 President List Honor Society student who has been single for 2.5 years now and so very content with life relocated near my sister’s kids that I helped raise! There is much to be told about this video and men like this.
@@christopher9152This may be hard to believe, but Canada is worse. Canada's legal system is weighted against crime victims and in favor of the criminal. Crown prosecutors and police are often more aggressive in charging crime victims who defend themselves against a violent crime, because many do not believe in the right of self defense (even though that right exists in our Criminal Code). They may lose at trial, but the intention is to punish you by forcing you to pay huge legal fees to defend yourself against the charges.
Vicky's story is the reason why my mom at 14 year's old made me Watch the Autobiographical Movie What's Love Got to Do With It starring Angela Bassett & Laurence Fishbourne 1993. She wanted me too see the emotional/The mental/psychological/& even Spiritual way in which Ike Turner approached Tina Turner. Then the moment when it's time too get out
As a single dad for two teen age girls, it's sad when cheaters expect to have their cake and eat it as well also. Love is a two way street. Lies don't work in a genuine relationship
Don't stay with a man who doesn't put you in number 1 This days anything that I see and noticed that a man doesn't care about me I would never see them again
I fail to understand how a covert narcissist will go to the extreme length to distroy a person behind closed doors. Smear your name to anyone who's willing to listen. Yet their greatest fear is SHAME.
I had a mid life crisis at 49 :) For a year and a half I went out every 2 weeks and was out almost the whole night...what a loser :) No kids living home and wife just went about her life like nothing was happening. I got sick of it after a year and a half and never went out again...yes...I did WRONG things that a married man should not do. It was 7 years ago and I have done all I can to be a good man to her since then. I guess she figured "it will burn out and he'll get sick of it". She was right. I was wrong. All wrong. A middle aged clown. Was she right or wrong in her strategy of just letting me burn myself out? I dunno....it was her choice and I guess if ending up with the loser in the long run and for good was her goal....it worked. But I will continue to try and by the best loser than I can to her :) Life isn't black and white....I don't know why I did why I did...I DO KNOW that I Was a fool. It's not worth it guys. Our best woman is usually at home on the couch and we should be with her.
Oh yeah, find out the guy you're engaged to be married to has girlfriends on the side and sit down and write him a letter asking him to change and be completely faithful to you 😂😂😂 That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Ladies, please do not sell yourself to anyone who does not value you higher than anyone else. Please!
It is almost unbelievable that he only got 17 years in jail for murdering his wife. No wonder some people choose to take the law in their own hands when this type of injustice is given by the courts. Poor Vicky. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
Of course, I'm older than the hills and when I was a young girl, dinosaurs were romping over the planet, but there is NOTHING about this guy that appeals to me. He is so full of himself that he doesn't need anyone else to love him because he loves himself enough to make up for what might be lacking from other people. That cocky pose he affected in those pictures just turned me off big time. I would not have had a cup of coffee with him and I certainly would never have wasted my time dating him. If he appealed to other women then they could have him because he certainly didn't appeal to me. Vicky evidently saw something in him that I do not see but when she became involved with him, not only did he make what remained of her life miserable, but he went on to end her life. It's a darned shame that Vicky got ensnared with such a piece of work!
They asked, “ what could have been done differently? “. Well, they could be teaching about this toxic human behavior in school; starting in preschool since I, myself was four years old when I attempted to ask for help, in a hospital. Back then, nobody knew what to do. So start in preschool and keep teaching throughout every grade, into college, till all of society knows about it and can start handling it better.
Murderer gets a light 17-year sentence. This killer will be out chasing and lying to women again when he's 45, and his wife will still and always be dead. That's British justice? I'm shocked families of victims put up with these criminally soft sentences.
Be very careful when exposing any wrongful behaviour. They will absolutely lose their minds. Been there & am thankfully gone. The best thing to do is to get your orders in place and quietly leave.
Given what she knew prior about Robert’s infedelities she should have never married him in the first place. I mean what was Vicky thinking? This is an extremely disturbing episode.
Trauma bonding.....like Stockholm syndrome....and if he hadn't killed her I believe she would have left him this time. Women are conditioned to be forgiving in a way that men are not....
Internet has brought people closer across national,cultural,geographical, racial, linguistic boundaries. But it has also attracted undesirable elements too. So, people need to exercise great cautions when falling for someone in this vast world of internet whether its for love, relationship , financial matter or any other things .
It's crazy how men think that you are closed minded because you don't want to meet straight away, but rather get to know and make 100 percent sure who they are.
Watched a doco about meeting online and it showed a list of messages exchanged between this couple who met on FB. After about a month, the woman was writing heaps of times about how much she loved him - in fact the last text read "I love you so much, I can't wait until we meet." Ladies, wake up! Find your self-worth, before you give what little you have got away. Learn to live without a man - it will help you find a worthwhile man, or to be happily single.
She did herself a disservice by marrying him. Sometimes, women ignore the glaring red flags in the name of love, but this only means that they don't love themselves. I don't know why he got married when he could have lived his promiscuous life in peace as a single man.
So, from his picture this is a good looking guy. We cannot tell just how awesome was his personality nor his love making. Nor can we tell just how little self esteem Vicky had to not kick this guy to the curb!
Narcissist are great in bed. That’s a large part of their appeal and their magnet to keep their partner. Especially if that partner is young, naive , sheltered, shy, insecure.
Having escaped with my life after a 36 yr marriage, I've since educated myself in terms of : what happened how it happened why it happened and my own role in allowing it to continue. Vicky's perseverance for change now has a definitive term called, "Malignant Optimism" .
He tells the co-worker that she left him for someone else, and then the next day texts her to say "How's your day going?" That's not what you would say to your spouse who has just left you a day earlier. Unreal.
I can relate to almost this, when I married, I went through a very similar thing, only thing was my ex stayed out all thd time, I hardly saw him, mostly at nights. It's as if he was looking for second mother then a wife. It was a single marraige😢
I wish people would stop using “church going” as a shorthand for ‘respectable’ when tone & time again people prove that going to church has nothing to do with meaningful morality, ethics, kindness & decency.
At least church going people TRY. There is a difference. Do I think church goers are perfect? No way. But I’ve had far better luck befriending church goers because they try and do feel they have to answer to a higher power, unlike atheists.
Yes, I can attest to this! My ex husband was divorced 3x and impregnated another woman after that before we met on online dating. We got married in my home country and have a baby then immigrated to his home country. From the very beginning he is always away for work and hardly see him. We only see him on special occasions like birthdays or Christmas. Then after 5 years I caught him cheating on me on his phone! I couldn’t afford the divorce and hire an attorney. We are separated now for three years.
Ex late husband was the same. Thank goodness I could get out in time. 23 years ago that we eventually got divorced, however he still haunts me in my dreams although he died in 2006
45 minutes+ to describe a tragic and brutal crime against a beautiful innocent lady that could have taken 20 minutes at the most to narrate in detail without the numerous "experts?" giving the same opinion of his personalty flaws, his lack of character etc. Just one description from an outside source of this would have sufficed. May he get some character dished out to him while in prison. Sincere condolences to the victim's family.
So true - it is not "her behaviour" that caused the crime - to have stayed (too long) - to forgive (him) several times - to hope for times as nice as at the beginning - it is him! to take her life away. Because of a tiny .....ego. That can never grow big.
If he's cheating during the "honeymoon phase," it will only get worse. Cheaters and abusers don't improve with age
Not simply a cheater. A narcissist. These creatures are incredibly dangerous
She knew he had multiple women and still married him. Why? Because deep down she was ok with sharing him but society told her she should be angry and try to control him. He never tried to control her.
@@Originalman144Nah he manipulated and love bombed her lying that he will stop. Stop painting him as a good man.
@@raf3765 Not painting him as anything. I’m painting her as a willing participant. Big difference
@@Originalman144 Thanks for admitting you don’t hold the criminal accountable.
17 yrs in prison for taking another persons life is a crime itself.
I agree. Sadly it's a very normal sentence for people who take the life of a spouse in the UK.
Agreed. He should never be let out. On top of that, he's a danger to others.
Even worse in Australia! Sentencing for violent criminals is a joke
Even worse in Australia! Sentencing for violent criminals is a joke
Sounds like Canada.
As Maya Angelou wisely said “when someone shows you who they are, believe them THE FIRST TIME". Giving second and third chances to undeserving people is a huge mistake and that lady paid it with her life.
Well stated.
I agree
She liked him and refused to leave. She should have learned to share him and be happy. Not going to change these guys.
Now here is a smart women whom understands. I think his wife also had selfish reasons for keeping him, "All that glitters is not gold"!
The problem is love does blind people and selfish persons will never care just use.
Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just walk away.
17 years is an insult to Vicky and her loved ones.
It’s an insult to all of society.
Nope! sets an example. She was selfish by trying to keep a toyboy. This teaches women that, "All that glitters is not gold"!
@@stormsurge9953 keep that energy when the genders are reversed 😊
Na, I can smell psychos a mile away@@raf3765
Victim blaming much?@@stormsurge9953
Typical narcissist. They love bomb and are super attentive in the beginning to lock you in. When they know you’re not going anywhere, they drop the mask and go back to who they really are. The other person is pining and hoping to see the charming, loving person they met at the beginning. They change themselves, trying to bring that person back when they NEVER EXISTED. When you are with a narcissist, that person at the beginning IS THE FAKE.
You said it all. Great comment. Anyone who tells me they love me less than many months into the relationship has my doubt meter sending alarm signals loud and clear.
Spot on , that's exactly how they are 👌
This is litteraly the begining of every human relationship its just if someone handles the various social transitions in excessivley selfish ways it becomes toxic and thats ultimatley what makes it narcissm.
Masks are a neccesary evil as the world is cruel and dangerous. Its how you wear your mask and when that seperates good from bad.
EXACTLY!!
Boom
17 years for killing your wife. Here in the us he will have life without parole or death penalty. SMH
17 years is a joke of a sentence. Give him 60 years to life or death penalty smh
@Kimberly LIFE in U.S. does NOT mean all of life. They r out in 18 yrs on "parole" anyway
That’s not true. Have you seen some of the sentences they get here?
@@uupeaceunique1284 right?
@@RightToFreedomGirlThere are different degrees of a sentence of Life in the USA,,, There’s Life which means theJudge will set parole usually for 25 years that means they COME UP for Parole which some are denied parole and it doesn’t come up for another 10 years…. Then there is Life with No Parole.. and Life and a day( Not sure what that means))) About 20 States do not have the Death Penalty, most do.
When I confronted my ex husband who was serial cheating with online profiles, I made sure to tell him I already spoke with my family and told them if something happens to me, it was him. Probably because I’ve always watched weird shows like this 😅😭 or maybe I saved my own life with that. Who knows lol scary stuff
Good decision
That was actually a really good idea. You just never can tell about some people. Especially the ones who would do something like that and betray their spouse so much and in such an extreme way, having numerous infidelities. That's pretty extreme a lot more so than just a one time thing caused by bad judgement. Although that's bad too. Good for you for leaving.
Lol lol 😂😂😂 well done you❤
You did the smart thing and probably saved your own life 👏🏻👏🏻
Why would any woman continue to stay with a SERIAL CHEATER. This is why the courts, police, judges and people DON'T care when women are abused. Women KEEP putting up with things no human being should put up with. LEAVE THESE MEN ALONE. How hard is that for women to COMPREHEND?
He only loved himself. People like that don’t have any empathy or love for others. Rest in peace Vicky ❤️
Coercive control.
Narcissist
Sounds like he loved her and he still had plenty of love to go around. She should have learned to share him if she didn't want to end the relationship. Why didn't she just leave him?
@@Originalman144 you are _willfully_ ignorant on this topic. You could go do the research on the psychology of such relationships but you choose to spout this nonsense instead.
@@Originalman144 your perspective is odd to say the least
What an evil man , who murdered his beautiful wife and made it look like she left him for another man . This is absolutely disgusting !!
Oh yuk what a lanky inside sunglasses wearing dolt who ever brags about intimacy is a creep so off to jail
Ex husband was exactly like him. Almost killed me. I got out after the first try... Same behavior, selfish, only going for what he wants....
Biggest lesson that made me turn my life around. The end of the day I'm almost grateful it happened and opened my eyes about boundaries and self confidence. I'm thriving now. Thanks to that trauma. I wish these girls got out before all the tragedy happened.
Well done! So glad you made it out! I had a lucky escape - both my abusive boyfriends dumped me. Looking back it was the best thing that could have happened to me. I couldn't be happier now!
@@Airelda Yeah, sometimes we have to go to the extreme ends to finally get the message 🤣
@@Aireldacrazy
To give him another chance in infidelity was the wife's biggest error. That sort of men and women will never change.
Stop blaming the victim
@@sofialovinglife597I don't know that she's blaming the victim exactly, but I can see how it can look that way. As I've said, he wasn't giving her an honest picture of himself and what he wanted so she's not working with reality. When emotions are involved and you're not even given a true representation of who your partner is BY your partner, it's not surprising that logic gets lost. People do silly things in non abusive, "normal" relationships so it's not the place for anyone to start judging in situations like this.
@@sofialovinglife597obviously you never heard of the phrase “Hit me once your fault. Hit me twice, mine.” No blaming the victim in that case with that comment, just spitting facts.
I don't believe he found ONE woman to want to sleep with him, much less TWO.
If you've grown up in a dysfunctional family where violence and infidelity is the norm, you don't know any better. You are groomed to accept a high level of cruelty. Sadly you attract the wrong kind of partner who are able to size you and your vulnerabilities up. Later when you begin to realize all this it's like trying to escape a cult. You need specialist help beyond normal therapy or counseling......you need an expert in deprogramming such as cult victims do when they escape. It's not so easy as you think, especially if children are involved and you have no money and nowhere to go and no caring family to back you up. @@5thdimension625
The more women are educated by shows like this the better prepared they are to avoid these types. I appreciate this content. They are predators and when they shower you with attention (love bombing) in the beginning, it is hard to recognize the red flags. When there is excessive attention in the beginning of a relationship it is a GIANT RED FLAG. If they tell you a sad story to try and gain sympathy, it is ANOTHER GIANT RED FLAG. Empathetic people are the their favorite target. Empaths frame of reference is often others feel the same level of empathy as they do, when in truth, being too empathetic towards others makes you an easy target. It is sort of naivety even though it is a desired trait (versus narcissistic). A personality disordered person can smell an empathetic person a mile away.
I agree many many men get away with abuse towards women in Ontario, Canada, and the same day, different men around the world in boys club protecting men. While women, including mothers of sons who drive women to early death, the stress they cause relationships, families alcoholic compulsive behavior, addiction problems themselves giving others nothing but combativness and denial and narcissistic personality disorder.
Amen.
They don’t seem more cautious to me
Im absolutely agree with you!
Yes. They can smell an empathetic person a mile away. Well said.
If they cheat, they do not love you.
Walk away. Don't say a word, they already know why. Just WALK AWAY.
Yeah that what I did.. walk away and block all his incoming text and call.. 😂😂 then start for self love❤
@jessiefrye3045
"If they cheat, they do not love you.
Walk away. Don't say a word, they already know why. Just WALK AWAY"
"If they cheat, they do not love you."
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"Walk away."
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"Don't say a word,..."
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"...they already know why."
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"Just WALK AWAY"
👍🏻 And then certain cheaters will go after their victims to (completely) ruin the latter mentioned's lives. 😤😭 Disgusting!
Sheer evil; hope the men in jail will find him attractive
These types go both ways. It fuels them either way; they have no conscience nor attachment to the person; any person.
Im sure he was already dabbing in men. Literally.
@@LadyAngela678Yes. Closet case.
They'll certainly find his bank balance attractive
I love your comment 😅
Why get married if you want to fool around?
I suppose it’s the control thing. They like that they have a compliant wife at home as it makes the affairs more exciting,
I can never understand that.
They want someone at home doing all the menial tasks for them...
@@anneofgreengables1619it’s so obvious. People keep asking why and I’m like - he wants someone to keep his home up while he cheats! 🤦♀️
stay single. a lot of men are of low quality.
How on God's green earth did the police miss a dead body in the garage the first time they searched?
Seems immensely upsettingly she were not found in the fields of Gods green earth though dear,it seems she were discovered in the garage💚💟💛
It's probable they didn't have a warrant, and could only look at what was in plain sight.
So why even get married? Stay single if you want to play the field
@@spitfirestake54 That's normal thinking! These types don't think they have to make choices, and that they deserve it all. They use anybody and everybody to meet their own means.
The earth isn't green. It used to be but mankind has ruined it
This is sad but also a good lesson for young ladies. If a boyfriend cheats on you walk away. If your boyfriend is treating you bad walk away. Don’t be like I just love him so much. I had to kiss a lot of frogs to get to the prince and I’ve been happily married for 32 years.
Which makes you a minimum of 50, right?! Jaysaz, you must have a good diet lol!!!
💯 You're absolutely CORRECT .....
⚠️ Cheaters NEVER CHANGED !!!
-> just get OUT,
-> no point fighting for cheaters to be good & faithful in future,
it's always better be single with QUALiTY & tranquillity life,
rather than 'show case marriage life' but in suffering .
2024jan14h, Sun
Totally agree!!!!
Good lesson for young men too. More and more it’s coming to light that women are just as bad as men and capable of anything.
I agree 100%. Was cheated on and learned a valuable lesson, never took him back. Met another wonderful man a year later and this year we celebrate our 49th anniversary with 2 children and 4 wonderful grandchildren. Don’t tolerate being cheated on. You deserve much more.
This guy is definitely narcissistic, too, amongst being a psychopath. If you research narcissistic relationships, you'll find out why the wife stayed with him. There's trauma bonding involved, for one. Narcissists view others as objects.
Not just a narcissist, but a MALIGNANT narcissist, this type is not a sociopath, but a sadistic psychopath!
HG Tudor?
They also target vulnerable people in general. Autistic women are more likely to be predated on by these types.
You dont marry "that guy." Youre always better single than with that guy. Poor girl 😢
Might be srhe felt pressure from societies to get married💚💟💛
There is no such pressure these days, she put pressure on herself.@@bestm333
Always
People are stating that the reason she stayed in the relationship was out of love but narcissists don’t inspire love, they inspire obsession. Love is emotionally a two way street, it’s a one way street when you’re in a relationship with a narcissist. Found this out the hard way.
The major thing that's people keep ignoring is,,,,narcissists targets always those who lack self love for themselves .....to escape a narcissist, show them that you have boundaries by saying NO,,,and block them on every platform,,and consistent non contact....that's how they realise they selected a wrong prey and walk away cause of a severe narc injury caused by you setting boundaries for you.
@@martuciabeauty1713Well said.
True.. and how can you genuinely love someone that treats you like trash? Definitely not love.
"Having a man does not *define* you as a woman. He should only serve as an uplifting, loving, and supportive *addition* to your life." - Mama
Love yourselves ladies. Know your worth. You deserve the best, served to you on a platinum platter. 👑 ♥ 👑
This goes double for women. They are demons and psychopaths. This is coming to light more and more. I divorced my wife and am happily single again.
It's hard in patriarchal society but it is so true!!!
"You deserve the best, served to you on a platinum platter." Lol. Most women degrade themselves with little help. Having a husband--not a man--is exactly what most women need.
It's comments like this that make feel assured White race will go extinct in a couple of years and Islam will take over the world as was prophesized to begin the final stage of corruption in society.
Do men deserve the same?
17 years?? That's ridiculous. He should have gotten life with no parole. That's the price his poor wife paid. He could have just left her.
But why did he only get 17 years and not life?
I understood he got minimum 17 years.
@@touche7174 pretty standard for a western European country.
He can be out on parole in 17 years... that's why I'm so shocked.
The argument for anonymity for young offenders often disregards the need for closure and justice felt by the victims' families.
Ladies, (or gents), in situations like this, it might be embarrassing and emotional, but never confront anyone ALONE. Have a witness, do it with family, or in a public place. When people are confronted and their lies are revealed, there is no telling what will happen.
Just watched this and I’m floored ! My story exactly with my narcissistic partner over 25 years. Except my narc was an expert, he would never chance me looking at his computer or social media and would be so deceptive and manipulative that I would never have even thought to look. Until he started getting sloppy and I caught him with the other supply in which he had many thanks to the internet.
This guy was an amateur narcissist. Mine was over 60 and was a pro.
I became just as obsessed as she was in finding proof he was lying.
Unless you have ever been
With a real narcissist especially covert, you could never understand why someone would stay in a relationship with all the red flags.
They truly are capable of turning a rational human’s brain to mush with all the mind games. They are demonic
I wish she would have just gathered her stuff and left. But her mistake was when she threatened him with showing his parents which would have shamed him. Something they cannot accept.
It’s eerie how they are all the same
half human half not
I divorced my wife because she was narcissistic and a psychopath. Get out now
Love is not necessarily a postive emotion and if theres one situation that highlights this...its Vicki's situation. Every part of their relationship was a red flag but her feeling of love for him superseded her own emotional wellbeing
I don't think base people like this even understand real love or even friendship. Her family are just as dim as they did nothing to get him away from her. So right there are 2 types of love,, and this lot cannot distinguish one from the other.,
That’s not love
@@nowirehangers2815 hers not his...whether you think her emotion towards him was or wasn't love for her it was ...therefore love that's not positive 👍🏽
@@jenniferyule8786 did they see, did she tell them...in my experience with abused spouses most families don't know or their family member denies it so they don't interfer
@leighleigh8725 and she did and she died
For people out there, Staying with someone who constantly cheats on you is not love no matter what excuse they give you.
Something wrong with him. He should never get out of prison. He is cold blooded.
TRUE
I really don't believe that he was that intelligent at all. Did he really think that her parents would believe those fabricated texts. Also, did he think that he would leave her body in the garage to decompose and not be noticed by anyone? I think that he got off with a very easy sentence. He murdered her because he could not handle being confronted with the truth. Better to be labeled a cheater that a narcissistic murderer. He should have received a sentence of at least 30 years before parole eligibility. Although, I do believe that the UK has much lighter sentencing than the USA.
He did not deserve a kind and forgiving woman like Vikki.
So very sad. 😢
I agree. The justice system is way too lenient in the UK.
Narcs are good at delusional thinking or magical thinking. They're sooooo convinced that they are smarter than everyone else, and that they're untouchable. Ugh.
@@laurielaurie8280in all of Europe, tbh
See? If your husband is cheating on you (and it disturbs you;) simply silently walk away !
Amen🙏🏽very true I’ve been through it but not anymore I’d rather be by myself❤
Yeh, it's that easy 😢
Do NOT tell them you are leaving. Could be your death sentence. Plan your escape meticulously as far away as possible and NEVER go back.
“Simply”.
@@angieg3624🤔🤣
She stayed because he kept love bombing her, not that she loved him. Her crucial error is that she listened to his words not watching his actions.
And she didn't value herself as much as she should have. She deserved a good man.
This is super sad. I hope it helps other victims to understand the option to LEAVE and do not chase a person who exhibits his behaviors.
A rush of sadistic anger. Wow!!That’s downplaying his actions.
advice for everyone: stay single!!! nothing wrong with being strong & independent!! i’ve been more successful single than i ever was with a partner, they only slowed me down. i was a mom of 2, their dad was on drugs & left because i would not do them or approve of him doing them. i provided well, bought a nice new home, finished college … no man needed
Your daughters might disagree. There’s value in a healthy partnership and a type of emotional wealth when you find someone worthy of trust. You’re worth experiencing that depth of connection: it teaches you something about yourself.
I have my cat, even better! Good luck, lots of love .
I think there are some women who don't need a man who prefer to be independent and love themselves more
I just LOVE that cat emoji!❤😹😸😺💖@@moniquetheobald889
@@plushrush I came from a broken home and I can tell you I AM GLAD MY MOTHER LEFT MY FATHER. Keeping children in a toxic environment is no good! No woman should stay in an abusive toxic relationship EVER! I am happy not having a male in my life. They never added anything but chaos and misery. I was felt more alone being with a man than I do without.
HE SHOULD GET LIFE IN PRISON 😢
He is a maggot and now it’s out there I expect he was described as odd creepy by many people who met him
Vicki was the “primary source”. That is why Vicki wasn’t abandoned. He was using her for her base camp.
But does that matter??.. this only means he knew she lacked selflove,selfesteem,selfworth,,,,to him,,,,,she is a toy he can chew.....that means he knew she saw him above her.....and look what happened???
Your comment is not the lesson here!!!!
But that's not the lesson here. She had super low self esteem, self worth, self love, self validation to allow him to use and abuse her. Young women and men need to learn to hold themselves in high esteem so as to not tolerate toxic/ abusive behaviour, friendships and relationships.
@@martuciabeauty1713you're absolutely right!!
@@meera2531 well said
Primary source is the RELIABLE SUPPLY and has to find NEW SUPPLY
Being single is way better than being in any kind of relationship. I wish more pple would understand that.
Me too!
Being alwys alone is also not fun. If yes friends yes. But I am alone since 25 years. No friends and no boyfriend
Of course, very good men exist, but not in numbers and only a really good one is worth it. You cannot even have nice hobbies with a controlling man, putting you down constantly on top of everything. A termination is a no go sign for a relationship; one should always find someone else thereafter, since that thing to happen, there is something really wrong with the relationship. Nothing repairs a lost life and traumatising things happen when sb s feelings are not properly addressed. To me, this guy was immature more than anything, but from that starting point of immaturity things escalated to stg much more sinister for him refusing to grow up. He expected everyone else to suffer and take care of the mess he created. What he did not understand was that they did all that, covering up for his shortcomings, but with such an emotional load that they could not take it anymore, and facing the reality, without the wife cushioning him from it was too hard a cookie for this guy to bite. Compulsive cheaters flee stg, they might have been seriously hurt, but confrontation means stopping, and whenever flight is no more possible fight comes into play. My ex was the kind of guy who crashed vehicles etc. And expected sb to take care of his mess, whereas I personally needed to get by without much emotional support from anyone, so I could not provide him with the kind of safety network for sb else bearing the consequences. I needed a man to share the responsibility with me or to at least let me take care of everything on my own, without distracting me. And I ended up as a Single mother, having a man around just for the crucial start, on his conditions. And a man needs some qualities for that as well, more than what these Don Juans have.
I do
I agree 💯
Once you have proved that he's cheating,to yourself. Do not confront,just get out asap. That protects you & hurts them more than u know. Narcs cannot handle being ignored. No contact, him or his contacts. Who wants to hear about a loser?
Good strategy
Wish she would just have confronted him with the evidence when they were at his parents' house for dinner. She might still be alive.
Why does UK have such light sentences for horrific brutal murders?
They’re British ?
@@merrickmeyers yes
Chaos for the public.
Isn’t much better in the US.
Horrible, isn't it??
Sad that many women are desperate to get married. Please try to appreciate and better yourself in every way possible. Go to College take courses to improve your mind that will eventually help you. Marriage is wonderful BUT it takes
2 people that are willing to make it work.
My thoughts exactly. I think women have such a strong desire to make a family that it makes them desperate.
I wonder how he would’ve felt if she “Vicki” was having a fling with some other men???..
as most of us, he would truly feel devastated
@@v3le unless he just couldn't care less in concerns with her which obviously he couldn't
He would have asked to join in. 😮
How do we know she wasn’t ?
@@merrickmeyersIf she was carrying on with other men, I don’t think she would have cared what he was doing…or at least not so much that she would confront him.
“He was making love with his ego” True! You are just a conquest and a tool to them. They don't see you as a person who also has feelings
As a sheltered, shy and introverted girl who was the victim of two narcissists, I’m glad this kind of content is available to remind me of the dangers out there.
I will never trust another romantic partner again, nor do I want one. I am now a single mum by choice of two beautiful daughters and learning about this kind of charming evil doer is going to be part of their education when they are teens.
Advice for you: learn to set standards and boundaries for you.....one red flag is enough/never make excuses/....the minute a narcissist sees that,,,they'll walk away and start to find another prey for them with low selfesteem and who lack boundaries
@@martuciabeauty1713yes
You go girl! Much luck to ya!
I have had 2 in my life! I’m currently in school to get a masters degree in forensic psychology because of what I’ve been through! You use the same wording as I do for my life now. Single by choice & never trust another romantic partner! I am totally on the same page as you are and have learned so much about myself throughout this process. Sending best wishes your way. I am thriving being single and a 4.0 President List Honor Society student who has been single for 2.5 years now and so very content with life relocated near my sister’s kids that I helped raise! There is much to be told about this video and men like this.
Men will always try to dominate, it's in their nature to do so.
Blame mother nature for this, apparently she prefers macho men over soy boys.
I was married to a narcissistic psychopath too. Very scary!
@@caligirl9403I nearly got engaged to a grandiose narc and my mother is a vulnerable narc...
@@caligirl9403but thankfully all the hard lessons, led me to learn about toxic and abusive relationships, heal, move on and find a good partner ❤️
How the f* they charged him only 17 years? that's nothing in comparison to his crime.
It's the Uk. Typical lack of respect and justice for victims.
@@christopher9152This may be hard to believe, but Canada is worse. Canada's legal system is weighted against crime victims and in favor of the criminal. Crown prosecutors and police are often more aggressive in charging crime victims who defend themselves against a violent crime, because many do not believe in the right of self defense (even though that right exists in our Criminal Code). They may lose at trial, but the intention is to punish you by forcing you to pay huge legal fees to defend yourself against the charges.
I don't get it. WHY get married if you want to see tons of other people??? Just stay single its as simple as that
Or move to Europe where so many do have affairs.
Vicky's story is the reason why my mom at 14 year's old made me Watch the Autobiographical Movie What's Love Got to Do With It starring Angela Bassett & Laurence Fishbourne 1993.
She wanted me too see the emotional/The mental/psychological/& even Spiritual way in which Ike Turner approached Tina Turner.
Then the moment when it's time too get out
Smart mother.
These Psychopaths walk among us.....so creepy😨
As a single dad for two teen age girls, it's sad when cheaters expect to have their cake and eat it as well also. Love is a two way street. Lies don't work in a genuine relationship
Don't stay with a man who doesn't put you in number 1 This days anything that I see and noticed that a man doesn't care about me I would never see them again
I fail to understand how a covert narcissist will go to the extreme length to distroy a person behind closed doors. Smear your name to anyone who's willing to listen. Yet their greatest fear is SHAME.
Yea that's why it's a disorder. It makes no sense. Not even to them but they'll lie and say their ways make sense.
They are evil. They feel zero shame. Anyone who says they are shamed based hasn’t read or understood the teachings of the Bible.
I had a mid life crisis at 49 :) For a year and a half I went out every 2 weeks and was out almost the whole night...what a loser :)
No kids living home and wife just went about her life like nothing was happening.
I got sick of it after a year and a half and never went out again...yes...I did WRONG things that a married man should not do.
It was 7 years ago and I have done all I can to be a good man to her since then.
I guess she figured "it will burn out and he'll get sick of it". She was right.
I was wrong. All wrong. A middle aged clown.
Was she right or wrong in her strategy of just letting me burn myself out?
I dunno....it was her choice and I guess if ending up with the loser in the long run and for good was her goal....it worked.
But I will continue to try and by the best loser than I can to her :)
Life isn't black and white....I don't know why I did why I did...I DO KNOW that I Was a fool.
It's not worth it guys. Our best woman is usually at home on the couch and we should be with her.
Thanks for that.
You seriously don't know why you did what you did?
17 years?!?! What a joke 😮😳😡
Oh yeah, find out the guy you're engaged to be married to has girlfriends on the side and sit down and write him a letter asking him to change and be completely faithful to you 😂😂😂 That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Ladies, please do not sell yourself to anyone who does not value you higher than anyone else. Please!
What a disgusting comment! 😮
Once a cheater always a cheater,walk away and never return
It is almost unbelievable that he only got 17 years in jail for murdering his wife. No wonder some people choose to take the law in their own hands when this type of injustice is given by the courts. Poor Vicky. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
Of course, I'm older than the hills and when I was a young girl, dinosaurs were romping over the planet, but there is NOTHING about this guy that appeals to me. He is so full of himself that he doesn't need anyone else to love him because he loves himself enough to make up for what might be lacking from other people. That cocky pose he affected in those pictures just turned me off big time. I would not have had a cup of coffee with him and I certainly would never have wasted my time dating him. If he appealed to other women then they could have him because he certainly didn't appeal to me. Vicky evidently saw something in him that I do not see but when she became involved with him, not only did he make what remained of her life miserable, but he went on to end her life. It's a darned shame that Vicky got ensnared with such a piece of work!
Yes I agree a creep not even attractive
They asked, “ what could have been done differently? “. Well, they could be teaching about this toxic human behavior in school; starting in preschool since I, myself was four years old when I attempted to ask for help, in a hospital. Back then, nobody knew what to do. So start in preschool and keep teaching throughout every grade, into college, till all of society knows about it and can start handling it better.
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Why do schools have to teach everything?? Teachers aren't parents!!!
That poor woman and her family😔 R.I.P.
Murderer gets a light 17-year sentence. This killer will be out chasing and lying to women again when he's 45, and his wife will still and always be dead. That's British justice? I'm shocked families of victims put up with these criminally soft sentences.
What exactly do you expect them to do ?
“As do a lot of men, apparently.” The way he said that was telling.
Be very careful when exposing any wrongful behaviour. They will absolutely lose their minds. Been there & am thankfully gone. The best thing to do is to get your orders in place and quietly leave.
Absolutely!
Given what she knew prior about Robert’s infedelities she should have never married him in the first place. I mean what was Vicky thinking? This is an extremely disturbing episode.
Victim blame much? 🤦🏼♀️
Trauma bonding.....like Stockholm syndrome....and if he hadn't killed her I believe she would have left him this time. Women are conditioned to be forgiving in a way that men are not....
@@juanitarichards1074
Women are conditioned in a way that are men are not only to thrir spouse. Women are very mean to other women.
What a gross comment.
Internet has brought people closer across national,cultural,geographical, racial, linguistic boundaries. But it has also attracted undesirable elements too. So, people need to exercise great cautions when falling for someone in this vast world of internet whether its for love, relationship , financial matter or any other things .
It's crazy how men think that you are closed minded because you don't want to meet straight away, but rather get to know and make 100 percent sure who they are.
Watched a doco about meeting online and it showed a list of messages exchanged between this couple who met on FB. After about a month, the woman was writing heaps of times about how much she loved him - in fact the last text read "I love you so much, I can't wait until we meet." Ladies, wake up! Find your self-worth, before you give what little you have got away. Learn to live without a man - it will help you find a worthwhile man, or to be happily single.
She did herself a disservice by marrying him.
Sometimes, women ignore the glaring red flags in the name of love, but this only means that they don't love themselves.
I don't know why he got married when he could have lived his promiscuous life in peace as a single man.
You MUST get away from these kinds of ppl. I swear my ex kept arranging accidents for me
I can’t get my mind around how the justice system is so lenient. That poor family and Vicky . I hope he never gets to enjoy life again.
So, from his picture this is a good looking guy. We cannot tell just how awesome was his personality nor his love making. Nor can we tell just how little self esteem Vicky had to not kick this guy to the curb!
His picture makes him look like the sleazebag he is.
Narcissist are great in bed. That’s a large part of their appeal and their magnet to keep their partner. Especially if that partner is young, naive , sheltered, shy, insecure.
Did Robert have a job? how did he afford his lifestyle and have so much free time, what a dirtbag!
Rich daddy
Michael Robert's looks like PeeWee Herman's grandson😂
I don’t know how anyone would want to be with him. He looks like a weak little man child. Lol
I saw that too but I didnt put the words together fast enough. Really, cant get it out of my head now!
@@bethpemberton7980😂
His eyes look DEVIOUS!!
He was never confronted by anyone in his life. No one complained about his behaviour to him he was worshipped. How can she dare talk to me like this!
That’s how these monsters are made
@@hillarybillary21 Some are born that way!
A narcissist needs fresh supply to feel alive to feel anything at all. He would have been done with Karen in a couple months.
Social media didnt destoy her marriage. Her husband did
As always a great docu thank you for bringing this case to light I feel so bad for her family
Not true love, insecurity, dependence, addiction. True love isn't toxic.
Having escaped with my life after a 36 yr marriage, I've since educated myself in terms of :
what happened
how it happened
why it happened
and my own role in allowing it to continue.
Vicky's perseverance for change now has a definitive term called, "Malignant Optimism" .
17 years? Really? So he can get out and do it better the next time…. Wow!
For true crime, this is a good show. Looks at all the angles.
He sure did like CAKES😂
He tells the co-worker that she left him for someone else, and then the next day texts her to say "How's your day going?" That's not what you would say to your spouse who has just left you a day earlier. Unreal.
I can relate to almost this, when I married, I went through a very similar thing, only thing was my ex stayed out all thd time, I hardly saw him, mostly at nights. It's as if he was looking for second mother then a wife. It was a single marraige😢
Sorry you went through that .
There are many serial adulterers.
But MOST men are not driven by love and caring!
cheating narcissists never change- never.....walk away
RUN
I wish people would stop using “church going” as a shorthand for ‘respectable’ when tone & time again people prove that going to church has nothing to do with meaningful morality, ethics, kindness & decency.
At least church going people TRY. There is a difference. Do I think church goers are perfect? No way. But I’ve had far better luck befriending church goers because they try and do feel they have to answer to a higher power, unlike atheists.
Once a cheater always a cheater
Yes, I can attest to this! My ex husband was divorced 3x and impregnated another woman after that before we met on online dating. We got married in my home country and have a baby then immigrated to his home country. From the very beginning he is always away for work and hardly see him. We only see him on special occasions like birthdays or Christmas. Then after 5 years I caught him cheating on me on his phone! I couldn’t afford the divorce and hire an attorney. We are separated now for three years.
These people who do these crimes are losers in life who take it out on winners.
Gosh, he can still start a new life when he gets out. Scary.
Walk Away When No They LIE AND CHEATING No Good Will Come Out Of STAYING With Someone Like That
I think the word for Robert and Vicky's relationship is ENMESHMENT!!
He really left school at 16.He is CLEARLY uneducated
High school in UK ends at 16, not 18.
The Internet have changed the way we live and the way we die😢
Ex late husband was the same. Thank goodness I could get out in time. 23 years ago that we eventually got divorced, however he still haunts me in my dreams although he died in 2006
Always mind blowing!!!
0nly 17 years 😮 life in prison for this monster
Why dont women just walk away and save their integrity? Just walk away. Dont search mails, phones or wallets, walk away.
Sometimes, it's HER house, in which case, prove you're crazier than they are.
Sometimes women doesn’t want to be called a divorcee.
45 minutes+ to describe a tragic and brutal crime against a beautiful innocent lady that could have taken 20 minutes at the most to narrate in detail without the numerous "experts?" giving the same opinion of his personalty flaws, his lack of character etc.
Just one description from an outside source of this would have sufficed.
May he get some character dished out to him while in prison.
Sincere condolences to the victim's family.
I find most of these true crime shows repeat themselves insultingly.
So true - it is not "her behaviour" that caused the crime - to have stayed (too long) - to forgive (him) several times - to hope for times as nice as at the beginning - it is him! to take her life away. Because of a tiny .....ego. That can never grow big.