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Lore mistake. The Worm Familiar is not Savathûn’s Worm. It was a Worm found by her father. It would speak to her. Savathûn’s worm was another being we put in the Parasite Gun
I thought after going into the deep the krill sisters all took a worm, but sathona/savathun took in her fathers worms which granted her some understanding of her father with the deception of memories?
Because you do! Three-fourths through a new expansion year always gets stale. But Bungie also had their highest revenue year ever so community sentiment couldn’t have been THAT low lol. He was digging hard to prove his points in this video.
You do. People get bored after 5 years of playing the same game. It’s totally natural, and any content creator who wants to deep dive the reason for a low player base is simply trying to get our views.
the year made some massive mistakes that were intentionally placed to serve lightfall and final shape a better game, it was a sacrifice, but as a result it left this dlc (when isolated) in a bad place, worse than before imo
Unfortunately yes it did it worse, numbers don’t lie, and even with 4 platforms available for the game is still in a low count. I have personally seen around 25 friends that just stop playing
I think my biggest disappointment in Witch Queen was how little they used Hive Guardians. Honestly a cool feature they could add to strikes is to have set spawns of potential "hive ambushes" with a Hive Lightbearer leading a group to try and stop you. Hell set it so that sometimes they don't spawn to keep players on their toes.
They could’ve done a new strike that isn’t a reused campaign mission where a hive ghost bonded with a familiar ogre from the moon. Bungie needs to make fresh strikes cause this recycled is annoying for the 3rd or 4th year now
Evan, Fynch literally tells us that he’s helping us because he saw how the hive acted with the light and decided they weren’t worthy of it. It’s right there lol
Its funny cause he’s a quote on quote “lore” TH-camr, and it goes over his head. At this point he’s slowly becoming one of those content creators who just nitpicks.
@@azrawth3039 He's never been a lore youtuber lol. That's Byf's job. Evan just does retrospectives. He's more of a historian of content than a lore guy.
@@themagnet8246 Well first off, the community isn't dying. A game doesn't become #1 pre ordered game on steam and gain 5 million new players in a year if it's dying. Second, the video talks about story. The comment is discussing that. wtf does the community numbers have to do with that? If you're going to be a doomer, at least do it in a comment thread that makes sense for it.
I think there was plenty of positives that were implemented, as well as negative. But Bungie being more consistent and communicative/transparent gives me solid hope for the future of the franchise
@@therealcactoos9457 yep the only reason why they are overhauling everything is because millions of people are leaving of the same grind, easily over power, and lack of rewards and the same seasonal content (bungo fans cope about this fact). After this they probably won’t change anything drastic even when final shape comes out
Yeah, I think he was trying to express what the extremes were, but he misworded it into saying the entire community lived on either extreme rather than between them
The Witch Queen itself, not necessarily the seasons after, is still a banger expansion in my eyes and will go down in history as one of the best times I've had in Destiny 2
I'm not a diehard Destiny fan. I don't really play the game except to keep up with lore. Witch Queen was some of the most solo fun I've had in a LONG time playing the game.
witch queen is the sole reason im excited for lightfall. i want to relive that experience i had going through the witch queen campaign on legendary. Wasnt a champ in sight, and yet was plenty challenging, and was really good pacing.
The only thing Witch Queen gave was a hardmode campaign and weapon crafting. Everything has been the same, and Lightfall is the only thing changing it. So Witch Queen is more of a mid tier realistically.
@@wimbobimbo940 they were just talking about the campaign, the campaign was way better than forsaken's (and others) imo, virtually no parts that just served to pad out playtime and felt rewarding to complete due to the decent challenge. I won't disagree on the actual seasonal content being "eh" though.
Maybe if it was like 30 bucks looking at the length and what it offers. We should not forget that we can buy elden ring at the same price point that the expansions.
This video is currently sitting at 4.1k likes vs 3.1k dislikes (checked at 2/26/2023)... embarrassing tbh. Sure, the seasonal model is pretty tiresome by now, but it's a problem of stagnation, not decline. Also, you can criticize in a way that actually proposes changes, saying "seasonal model bad" is as controversial as using a linear fusion rifle on Oryx lmao. This type of video is always the same thing, a youtuber getting tired of the game they play all day for years trying to find post hoc justifications for why they're not having fun anymore. Maybe if you didn't spend hours of your day trying to make a living out of talking about a video game you'd actually enjoy it more.
You said in the campaign section, about 8:00 that the worm sathona’s statue was holding was savathun’s worm, that isn’t what happened, the worm on the statue was Sathona’s father’s pet worm, which the witness spoke to her through. Savathun’s worm itself was taken by Mara Sov after the Exorcism mission, and is the worm in the parasite gun.
@@tecobel he’s not complaining about the campaign which is the only good thing in the expansion and the raid. Witch queen was not a good expansion it’s only rated so high because of the campaign.
this is wierd because this is the only video ive ever seen complaining about this DLC, had a fun enticing campaign, amazing weapons, great dungeons, nice drip, amazing stories, ALOT of content
@@God-of-all-monsters Weapon crafting def belongs if seasons are going to be limited time. I don’t understand ppl who think crafting was a worse change, are you really that hooked on that addiction that you like the chase better than the reward lol
@@God-of-all-monstersprobably bc what ur saying is an opinion And they don’t share it Only season I didn’t enjoy was plunder I was cool with all the other seasons
I will say iam only 10-15 minutes in and your videos are normally full of a lot of very accurate research which is appreciated and respected so far, im hearing a lot of things that’s aren’t correct so far.
Dude straight up lied about player counts just because November had a low number. He's acting like every other month. This year wasn't better or as good as all the months last year
Okay, how about you stop uttering these vague statements and provide evidence of the contrary? But no, that would take effort. That's why you still play destiny instead of getting a degree 😭
Damn, did we even play the same game? This was a HUGE improvement on the seasons we got with BL Sure crafting has its issues and health gated bosses are annoying as crap, but I've loved the seasonal stuff making use of current areas as well as adding something new (haunted leviathan was amazing!!) Late/lack of promotion on seasons was annoying...no point in doing a trailer if not released at least a week ahead (yes we just had LF launch trailer 5 days out but that's one of many promo spots) The MANY bugs however...oof. The constant xbox crashes on top... they need fixing more than any other qualm. The fact that bugs like the Chamber of Starlight lost sector one is STILL there, along with ones so big it takes out the API for days on end...twice.... these bugs and some fine tuning of craftable weapons are all that need addressing really. Massive agree to disagree
Campaign was awesome. Seasons were some of the worst I have ever experienced. It was the same completely soulless, formulaic, uninspired experience I have come to expect from Bungie seasons nowadays, getting stałe after just weeks...
Finch told us basically right after meeting him why he wanted to help us...after light bearing hive started attacking guardians he refuses to believe that is the travelers plan and so he doesn't resurrect his "pile of bones"
When I played the game, I never bought that as a reason for Fynch turning against the Hive. Fynch has been around for how long now, and willingly chose to join the Hive knowing that they were omnicidal maniacs, and surprise pikachu faces when, you guessed it, they use the Light to be omnicidal maniacs. Evan's point I think is that Fynch's whole story is severely underbaked.
@@roberthesser6402 I think we are still missing a whole lot of story on this subject intentionally, they always leave threads like this open for future story telling
@Robert Hesser also I believe, I may be wrong because I haven't played it in a while. But I believe it'd mention somewhere that Savathun's ghost tricked/bullied the other ghost into choosing hive, using the fact that it had been so long and they still hadn't found their "guardian". And the hive being homicidal is irrelevant because when you are resurrected all your old memories/tendencies are supposed to be wiped clean...so it would be surprising for some ghost if their new hive guardian would start behaving like it used too....granted I don't think they intended anyone to really look that closely at any of these reason so all arguments are basically paper thin.
@@roberthesser6402 Keep in mind. In lore tabs and stuff from Fynch’s perspective, he explains why he rezzed the hive. He explains how he was a part of a huge pack of Guardian-less Ghosts. Ghosts who hadn’t found their Guardians for a long.. long.. *long* time. All of them were desperate, Fynch included. When the Traveller gave them the “go ahead” to revive the Hive and they were approached by Savathun/Immaru to do so, that was the incentive they needed. Fynch was, admittedly, still very weary because of them been omnicidap maniacal race but a mixture of genuine desperation to have a guardian + peer pressure from his fellow peers who were reviving Hive right beside him well.. Well, you now have it. Of course, Fynch regrets the decision.
The incessant whining of this community has been the only thing all year that made destiny worse. I love logging into destiny every day and participating in the large variety of content available. I love listening to the lore and looking at fan theories, art, concepts... The most exhausting thing in destiny is opening Twitter or reddit for more than 20 minutes and being told that the game isn't fun because it isn't. After watching the video, I feel you glazed over the positives of witch queen and its year of post launch support and a lot of the criticism you aimed at the game felt very vague, like you were hinting a larger motive on bungie's part when there just isn't one. It's OK if you're feeling some destiny burnout man, we all do sometimes. But holy hell this video just felt like a compilation of the communities most reactionary hot takes presented as a year in review, and a waste of 44 minutes of my time. This is a long comment just because this video felt very pessimistic, which is completely the opposite of my experience with the game. But, I do want to say you are one of the most important content creators for this game and I do appreciate what you do. Also, I don't think all of your criticism is invalid either. Bungie still has a lot of holes in the ship they need to patch. I just feel like destiny is pretty far from being better without the Witch Queen.
So real, ofc destiny isn't perfect, ofc some new features it adds won't land right, ofc there are gonna be some bad content drops. But come on, to say witch queen "made destiny worse" is just deceitful, considering that every content drop made destiny worse in some way. I love evanf, but this has got to be one of his worse takes in a long while, I feel like for the sake of grabbing attention.
They got rid of campaign and turned the game into wow in the sense of needing to purchase expansions to continue. Everything else I’ve got is typical video game gripes, but that campaign erasure took away the interest I had in the story.
Light 3.0 refresh made the game so much better. Yeah, we were OP but so what? Go solo some stuff and feel like a champ. Also, the story is finally feeling cohesive and grand and I barely cared much before.
@@wimbobimbo940 Is adding things while having other stuff stay the same really making the game worse? Maybe if you didn’t like it staying the same the word would be stagnate, but it wouldn’t be making the thing worse
@@wood5596 Never said it made anything worse nor did I say I hated it. The DLC was fine..But realistically, pricing it the same price and or higher than their other previous DLC's, whilst adding little to no content besides some weapons and armor, alongside a 'fun' campaign? That's not something to scream and hype out. I just REALLY hate it when people exaggerate the DLC, making it out to seem as if it was overall amazing. It's just 'Good', nothing special.
He's lying to you. This is such an incredibly disingenuous take. Every month this year had more players than previous years except for November which just hit a low sure there's things they can improve and burn out is a thing but every month this year has more players than every month. In the last several years. Dude like a politician lying to spin his version of the story
As a veteran, I’m at the point where gear is useless to me. I have my gear and builds, I just want engaging and fun content to use that stuff in without it feeling like a chore. I’d like more chasable cosmetics, I’d grind for those all day. Cant argue with awesome Guardian Fashion.
100% factual. All these changes won’t mean a thing if there isn’t something to chase besides a ghost shell and ship. Give me cosmetics! Give me armor effects! Give me auras! Allow me to physically show that I put in time, not just money.
I feel like this video was made because of all the hate for lightfall and attempted to bring down destiny’s best expansion to make lightfall look better.
I’m just saying, warlocks not getting a solar buddy as to be against the law. Or maybe the Traveler just doesn’t like us after all the Well of Radiance spam.
Personally, this was easily the most fun I’ve had in Destiny during Witch Queen. Banger of a DLC that holds a candle to Taken King. The seasons that came after were not half bad. Just the design choices made were. Shadowkeep seasons were WAAAY worse in my eyes. Worthy still gives me PTSD for having to due all those public events and half baked trials. Witch Queen was an absolute blast.
i think taken king has just nostalgia factored it’s way into S tier for a lot of people, in my opinion forsaken beats taken king content wise by far. but i might be wrong because i haven’t played taken king in like.. 5 years? LOL
I was around for the red war campaign and I can say (ofc in a biased opinion) that witch queen changed how I played D2 forever. it was my first day 1 raid experience, i saw rng take a backseat to specific weapons, and it has been in my 4 years of playing d2 (as of writing this comment) my favorite expansion to d2. i understand forsaken was great but it was great in continuing the story. witch queen is great in EXPANDING the story. vow is my most completed raid and it still makes me ponder what the witness has in store for us.
Honestly. Playing forsaken, red war and having a brain that had a neuron active this week. Forsaken was a inferior expansion and the only reason why people hold it in such high regard is nostalgia. Kinda like classic wow
@@voxling the only thing in wich witch queen is better than forsaken is its campaign and had it been more challenging it wpuld prob be top 2 instead of the red war
I don't really think that the witch queen worsened the experience. If anything, Im grateful that it seems to have catalyzed a new method of delivering content and at this point (season of seraph) have brought back some the mystery that destiny originally specialized in.
It brought a lot of people back to destiny 2. Lying about the player count just because November hit an all-time low doesn't change the fact that every other month this year has been better or as good as all of the months in previous years
I think your criticism of the red border XP farm is a bit unfair. Sure, the Shuro Chi checkpoint is the fastest, but that's strictly for those who are making it their sole effort instead of... you know, interacting with the other aspects of the game. You did that to yourself and you literally played yourself into making it a negative experience. Instead of investing time into playing other experiences in the game, you made it a chore. That's not the games fault for making it a negative, that's your own doing. The same could be said when trying to farm random rolls. Why spend 100 hours trying to farm a singular roll? It's the same fucking argument, but you made it something negative.
Consider the sheer amount of activities you need to do to max out a single weapon then scale it up to 4-5 weapons a season. Now combine it with the fact a lot of players (like myself) interact mostly with content that requires us to use certain types of weapons to finish them. That is why we sit at shuro chi and farm, because the weapon rolls and weapon types are not good at (or even capable of) doing the type of content we want to actually do.
Usually I really enjoy your content, but this ain’t it. Clear misinformation at times around player counts, story beats, and player sentiment, as well as some very questionable takes.
I think one of the biggest issues with leveling weapons is that killing a bunch of weak enemies is way easier and levels way faster than doing difficult content. There should be a multiplier based on light difference going forwards to make it worth it.
To call this the lowest point or saying that it made the game worse is forgetting how bad the content drought was after TTK and during vanilla D2. I feel like whatever bungie does they’re cornered. If they make things harder people complain. If they make things easier people complain. They’re in a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation
The traveler being on fundament was not a surprise. We've known that since the book of sorrow. We knew the darkness tricked them by telling them, the sky only has lies... the truth is in the deep... or something like that
The "trick" was that there was no god wave. That's what they were lied to about. They chose the darkness under a false pretense that if they didn't their home would be destroyed.
bro at this point you just want people to not like this game. i've rewatched this like 3 times to try and understand ur points but you make mistakes in the points ur trying to make urself bruh.
I think that Datto's view on crafting is a good one, its supposed to be a failsafe but people are treating it like the main goal. also I think that efficiency is king, again a mindset change you don't need to be efficient there is a lot of time to do what you want the only reason people feel that the acquiring red boarders and leveling of weapons is a problem is that they are impatient. Also I don't think that the enhanced perks are so much better that most people can tell them apart most perks just increase ease of use by 2 to 3 seconds and most people wont feel the difference unless they are really looking for it. people want stuff as soon as possible which leads them to do unfun things and in the end making the whole experience a bad one. I managed to convince some of my hardcore friends about this and they've had more fun since taking it easy. TLDR if you're not having fun do something that is fun, the point of the weapon crafting system is a failsafe and leveling is supposed to be a passive thing that happens while using the guns you like to use. people will start have more fun if they focus on fun and hyperptimization (unless that's fun for you in which case go ahead). Well this is just my opinion so take it as you will.
For real, I got plenty of good or perfect rolls before coming close to unlock the patterns for most of the weapons. I still crafted them since I had the time to get the patterns, but very little of it would have been necessary. And I'm still grateful for the no RNG option to be there incase I want to try out a specific combo or have bad luck with drops for a while. I really noticed this again with the uncraftable SotW weapons, I still haven't gotten the perk combo I want for the pistol and GL even after 30 full runs and a few additional first / second encounter farms. Adding enhanced perks at all was a mistake due to how mandatory they feel for many players. As you said the benefits are really minor for most of them and it was only meant for topping up the weapons you like and use regularly already. I never had an issue passively leveling the SMGs for example, they are just good weapons matching my playstyle no matter the perks. I got the mini tool to level 100 in the time it took me to get a scout to level 10, without ever actively grinding for it at all.
Except if you have children, a full time job, adult responsibilities and would like to work out a little bit; you need to be efficient. Datto saying that is laughable, he plays it for a living. Generally I find him tone deaf anyway, but that’s my opinion.
@@bm2844 destiny is a game that requires time commitment to get the best stuff. If you want to have a life outside the game that’s awesome, but you have to realize it means you won’t get the best items in the game handed to you for free🤷♂️ when life gets busy for me I just stop playing and focus on life. I don’t complain that I didn’t get every god roll in existence while playing less than an hour a week
@@user-fz8ci2sg5p hey thanks for the .02 I didn’t ask for, I’ve got all the things I want but I have to be efficient is what I’m saying. Because I can’t no life it like a guy who does this for a living. I’ve solo flawlessed dungeons, have the crafted weapons I want, conqueror, adept trials weapons.
Rofl at this video. Worst Expansions Rank, Walk of Shame (hard truths will be spoken) 1 and 2) Curse of Osiris/Warmind (Activision influence bringing 2 weak expansions that couldnt justify the cost for the content, they dropped in price quickly and they were given for free with Forsaken. Easily the worst expansions of the bunch. The worst one was the expansions Trials shipped with as it had very low amount of content & Trials failed and had to be rebranded. 'It came raw'.. 3) Shadowkeep (weak story, lots of public events tied to the campaign, also it was the pinnacle of unbalance and powercreep (ex Recluse) that started with Forsaken. It eventually led to sunsetting). The seasons before and after were very barebones (dripfeed content) and Season of Undying before Shadowkeep is widely considered the worst Destiny season ever. 5) Beyond Light (Stasis unbalanced class and the calculated, intended deprecation of the Light subclasses were the least problems. The biggest was the Stasis fragment gathering for all 3 classes which led to a far better Light 3.0 system 1 year later. However Beyond Light had one of the biggest influx of players because of Xbox Pass and Steam). It might be worse than other expansions, but it has one of the highest important expansions for that reason alone. 6) Witch Queen (made many things correct and introduced many concepts that plague D2, some worked, some didnt work so good. Its most important contribution is in the overall D2 story, previously even the story was dripfeed. 5) Forsaken (In retrospect, it made many things wrong (gameplay wise), but the community was too eager to absorb the content, which was good. 3 studios worked on it and the level of quality shows. One of its biggest problems was the power creep. Many high-end teams abused the power engram farming to have a chance in the raid. These systems wouldnt fly together in the community. Lastly Forsaken started the big powercreep with Luna's Howl (400-600$ it costed on the black market, can you imagine? Some were asking for even 1000$.) Still, its the best expansion and new players are always amazed at Destiny's best location (Dr.City). ?) Lightfall (Guessing that Lightfall will be around Beyond Light and Witch Queen. Not sure if D2 has the momentum of these 2 expansions but even if it hasnt, Bungie can easily turn this around with price drops and various deals. Also not sure if it really can turn D2's aging problems (grinding, light level farming) and the PvP community concerns as a whole (these are more difficult to fix than a simple handcannon buff). But these will be the major factors (along with story/gameplay) that this expansion will be judged after a few months pass. So all it needs to do is at least be on Beyond Light's level.
Wow you got rose tinted glasses for the past. Yeah it could have been better but compared to what came before it was an absolute banger. The campaign was repetative if you need to play through it 3 times for some exotics? Not the greatest to be sure but wayyyy better than unlocking stasis on all 3 characters - and the campaign itself was one of the best coop shooter experiences Ive ever played. Play through the campaigns of past expansions again and you'll sing a different tune. Sure this past year was far from perfect but to propose that it may have made the game worse is objectively absurd.
Forsaken, Rise of Iron, and Taken King are still the best DLCs and WQ doesn't come close. Though if they added half the content of these DLCs and had the campaign, it'd be up there.
@@NobleVI_343 Forsaken was pretty good but it's in the context of it;s time that it reaches the lofty heights that it does. The legendary WQ campaign has encounter design and narrative and gameplay flow that are unmatched by anything in the past - WQ campaign is better than most FPS games out there full stop. Forsaken campaign is excellent by destiny/MMO standards and incredible for how it revitalised the game. Shadowkeep and Beyond Light were very bloated and lackluster campaigns, one of which basically takes place on a D1 map so we have to go back a very, very long way before we find an expansion that even remotely rivals WQ
@@deesevrin8570 I agree with the entirety of your statement, I think Beyond Light/ Shadowkeep deserved this video, evan has lost the plot if he thinks WQ was the start of making the game worse. More unstable? Sure, but they played with a lot of new stuff, it's just such a shame that they feel the need to underdeliver in regards to content leading up to what's supposed to be more hype content. An actual tragedy because I feel they would have taken hive guardians and new hieghts if they really could run off with it, but yeah, best campaign in the franchise without a doubt. Rest? Ehhhhh.
Will say this again, this video is a retrospective of the year of the witch queen without any lightfall changes to come and has been subject to retrospect in that way! I am pretty hyped for lightfall, but have been waiting to get these thoughts of the witch queen off my chest all year now!
What’s that? Bungie had weaponized their former relationship with a hated entity like Activision blizzard to mask their own scummy and poor behaviour? Perish thw though, how could everyone’s favorite son, Bungie, ever do anything wrong!?
Videos like this make me glad I have the Dislike Extension to see that juicy 2.4K to 1.6K ratio it's sitting at. This used to be a great history channel. Now whenever it pops up in my feed it feels like nothing but clickbait and doom-posting.
I think this dude's mistaking the fact that he couldnt make content on previous seasons because it had already been made with the fact that people didn't play previous seasons. Matchmaking times in all seasonal content in the last 2 months have been incredibly good regardless of it being a year ago
As much as I understand the dislike things being way too easy I think we'll look back on this year as the year of the power fantasy. Our guardians were practically unstoppable in lore and gameplay which I don't think anything is more fitting compared to how absolutely destroyed we're gonna probably feel come Lightfall. We'll probably lose allies, have the witness completely mess us up and feel completely and utterly defeated. Super fitting for how unstoppable we felt this past year.
I wouldn’t say the witch queen made the game worse, in fact I think it was a high point in the game’s history. I would say that it just felt safe, like they were scared to change too many things and it really showed in the seasons this year.
THANK YOU 🤙 Ive been saying this forever now lol Hence the cutscene that follows Ikora using the Enclave on Savathuns Fathers familiar, unlocking its memory when Savathuns found her father's worm and it whispered to her. Just so you know, Mr.Evanf 🤙 Mara was in possession of Savathuns worm after season of the losts
Yeah...I don't agree with most of this. I don't like you're trying to nitpick certain issues and complaining about it. The issue of all light subclasses all having access to all grenades is nitpicky and throws away the main thing about light 3.0. Having access to all the grenades didn't make the classes the same. It's the subclasses themselves. A Void titan doesn't play the same as a hunter or warlock. Just because they can use the same grenades, doesn't make it samey. I agree that the seasonal cycle is stale and needs to change, no doubt about that but you're also implying that we should push Bungie into crunching so we can get these changes sooner. Big changes need time, putting a bandaid on it just because it's OP for a month, doesn't fix the issue. We want changes, at a reasonable pace and I think they're getting there. It's not perfect, but nothing is. Shouting into the void about speeding it up, only makes them feel worse. This video completely dunks on what was a great expansion. It's not the best, but it's better than what we've gotten over the last few ones.
I think with queen was the best expansion we have ever had The raid is my favorite and considered one of the best The story is undoubtedly the best we’ve ever had And This year has brought us all the new subclass changes
Witch Queen definitely was not the 'best expansion we've had', the only thing it gave was a Hard Mode campaign and weapon crafting (which ruined the search for god rolls for some weapons). The raid was mid compared to alot of others. The story was quite decently, but calling it the best is just blinding yourself from other campaigns in this games franchise. The subclass changes were the only good thing and it took 9 months for all of them to finally be complete. Stop overhyping Witch Queen as 'amazing', it's annoying how many of yous there are.
@@DucEatr Sure thing. Forsaken Rise of Iron The Taken King They all added much more content, alot of changes, nerfs/buffs that actually changed the crucible and strikes that were unique and fun. Witch Queen is no way onpar with any of that, recycling and making like one new strike, alongside one new PvP map in years that is hated by everyone except blinded fanboys 💀 Not to mention that every raid from those DLCs are beloved as fuck. Especially Wrath of the Machine. Just curiousity.. Can you name out your points on why Witch Queen was 'the beat expansion we have ever had'?
Witch queen was undoubtedly great, however the seasons after it felt stale and made unnecessary changes like AE that only hampered enjoyment of the game. The seasons themselves do progress the story line, but the missions and content actually featured are severely lackluster considering that seasons originally brought in actually new feeling activities and more innovated gameplay. The most remember-able thing about something outside of the witchqueen campaign was subclasses 3.0, but to many it still felt nearly the same from the lack of new features in the subclasses. that said the raid was pretty good.
I feel like a big issue with destiny these days is simply the approach to grinding. I feel like in d1 no matter what type of player you were, you had a grind geared toward your activities. Strikes had heroic strikes, where you could chase good drops as well as strike specific loot, then there was the multiple difficulty levels of the prison of elders, add on raids and PvE players had multiple activities geared toward different levels of skill as well as group size, and on TOP of that we had factions, as well as weekly weapon orders (i forget exactly what they were called, but you basically requisitioned weapons weekly from Banshee). I cant speak for pvp cause i was a pve player back in the day, but with pinnacles you feel shackled to the same grind that bungie has decided is the most fun. For me, i liked being able to choose where to spend my time as opposed to now feeling like if i dont slog through modes i hate and get slapped around until i get a pinnacle for simply being there that i am now wasting time and falling behind. Thats just me though
Judging by all the comments here, I think Evan is just playing devil's advocate to try and boost his channel in terms of engagement. Farming off all the comments disagreeing with him so that his content isn't drowned out when the avalanche of videos drop with Lightfall. There is overwhelming disagreement of this take, not cool Evan, not cool.
The main story of Witch Queen was my favorite, way more than Beyond Light, but as for the Seasons, I'm going to give my pros and cons about them. - Season of the Risen While it was the starting season for Witch Queen, the story as well as the missions were mixed feelings, sure we saw a side of Saladin that I really liked and we get more to Crow's confliction with his past as Uldren Sov, but everything else was not that great but not bad. - Season of the Haunted With the return of the Leviathan, I was hoping we'd get some big fight with Calus after we helped Crow, Zavala, and Caiatl quell their Nightmares, instead, we get a disappointing fight with a sub-par ending, despite us learning that Calus has become a Disciple of the Witness. - Season of the Plunder By far my least favorite in terms of gameplay, while I do like attacking other pirate lords, I felt like we could have had more to it. While the story was also gave me mixed feelings, bringing back Osiris was a nice touch for a bad season. - Season of the Seraph Personally one of, if not, the BEST season for Witch Queen, from returning to one of the old bunkers from Season of the Worthy, to going back to Mars, to going into space and fighting against a now Scorned Praksis, to Rasputin returning but sacrificing himself to save us from Xivu Arath to the final moments before Lightfall, this season gave me hype unlike anything else. My complaints however; are on the encounters for both Mars and Europa, while Mars gives us a chance to reactivate the Escalation Protocols, I feel like the Kelgorath fight could have had less witches than ever, because I cannot tell you how many times I've had trouble with those witches, especially on Europa. The Shrieker Boss for Europa gave me flashbacks to Savathun's Song back on Titan and when I did the Thorn Quest on that very same strike. These are my personal thoughts about Witch Queen and its seasons, I won't go over the Raids and Dungeons as they had their ups and downs, but at least they'll last and have some fixes to them in the future unlike the Seasons.
@@BigT182 I died more times to being trapped in the auras than the boss. Did not help that most of the time I was the only one trying to kill them as my teammates went after the boss.
I disagree with you about weapon crafting, that's the most satisfying system for obtaining your personal perfect weapon in the game right now. There are so many dungeon legendaries I wish I could craft because I cannot get an auto-loading chill clip Lingering Dread for the life of me. I've had that dungeon since launch btw
I have an issue with your opinion about health gated bosses: not all health gated bosses should be put into the same bag, you should distinguish the health gating done in witch queen from the health gating done in other content. First of all, I see that your main concern is that you think that the only thing introduced with health gating is a form of wasting players time. This is true in every case in which the health gate does not involve increasing the effort that the player has to do in order to kill the boss (like in strikes, or in seasonal activities, the only thing that varies in these activities when health gates are introduced is the amount of time that the player has to waste). In witch queen, it also happens (mainly in the europa mission) that you have to spend more time in order to kill the boss because of said mechanic, but in this particular case something makes it different than a waste of time. To make it really clear, after the boss health gates itself, you have to deactivate four shields, and after that, you will be able to kill said boss. In this case, we have a problem: each time a health gate happens, a lot of enemies appear near the shields, and in legendary difficulty, they hit enough in order to kill people with restoration. Because of this, you have to strategically use the cover in order to approach each shield. Not to mention that you have to be further away from each shield because after you finish one of the boss’s health bars, enemies appear near them (something very dangerous). This is why it forces you to think more, to make a greater effort in order to win, and a bigger effort (which is not the same as more time spent) in almost every case involves bigger gratification after completing an activity. So, it wouldn’t be true that the health gate mechanic makes the campaign worse, it would be invalid to state the opposite as a fact, saying that it makes it worse is only a matter of opinions. And, in my opinion, the wq campaign is better than some of halo campaigns (obviously not all), so I have to disagree with your last point.
I agree they made content that everyone loved yet at the same time that same content everyone loved is something Bungie will not be able to replicate what they brought into the game, probably won't be able top what VV made either
I think the biggest issue was that it took a huge leap forward, but it didn’t have anywhere to land. The campaign was revolutionary for Destiny in many ways but once the first few weeks were over, the game just floundered and failed to literally keep up with itself
The lowest player count comment is a bit misleading, because while it is true, that was for Season 18. The player count for Season 19 has only risen as the season has gone on
I agreed this guy's entire video is backed by these falling player numbers. You know every month this year has been as good if not better than previous years except for November...
"Time deamanding grinds" Jesus Christ just play the game with crafted weapons you dont need to play the 100% optimal meta loadout all the time or even at all. If you spend 40 hours st churi chi that is your fault Not bungies
I’d rather grind out to get the crafted weapons to my ideal roll than doing strikes or whatever since any other endgame content requires mods that I can’t use for X weapon.
When you compliment every bit of content that is in the game but complain about a specific feature being weapon crafting and how the story still is tying together as well as you want them to you. Just because you personally didn't play the seasonal content all year though, most people did. To call that one step forward and two step back is insane. "The soul of everything here is great. I just don't like the way it's melded together and a feature" is not two steps back. That's like a bit of an issue. You're definitely part of the problem.
I think you're exaggerating the negative impact of removing seasons. We keep our gear, weapons, exotics, 3.0 subclasses, and lore when they end. Many activities like Heists, PsiOps, and Dungeons carry on. The seasonal model enhances the game, creates great experiences, then makes room for new content annually. I'd take this over the long content droughts of d1 or vanilla d2!
This Year has been one of the best years in terms of consistent good content. I've played more D2 this year then i have since Forsaken. I think the seasonal model is stale, but the stores and content there keep getting better and better. They keep raising the bar (Crucible is not the same story, but the future sounds bright... hopefully)
Not sure what swet is saying and why that’s relevant here. When the season of seraph launched and players addressed concerns, bungie said that they couldn’t make changes for a couple seasons because the next season and witch queen was already done just waiting to launch. So If they are that ahead of schedule how can we be sooo sure that they are crunching super hard to meet deadlines?
this video honestly feels really half-baked, evan. i understand this is your opinion, but some of your points feel like they ignore crucial bits of information. as other commenters have mentioned, - fynch joined us because he saw how the hive used the light and didn't agree with it, and the worm familiar and savathun's worm are different things - your argument for community sentiment at an all-time low is the steam charts, which always tend to be low at the end of a season, and especially so at the end of the final season of the year once the seasonal quest ends - maybe i'm being nitpicky here, but you commenting on the lack of people in the throne world really doesn't hold up to what i see; usually the throne world is massively populated, and maybe that's due to different servers but it really confuses me - the order of dungeons and seasons (especially so with haunted/duality and seraph/sotw) is fine, honestly? how else would the final cutscene go if it was haunted instead of seraph? i feel as well if it was the case that duality and haunted were the last bits of content in the year, many more would complain about calus' storyline being abandoned until the last season and start to feel rushed. seraph makes a perfect end to the year and the perfect preparatory season for lightfall. - they need to charge for the season pass for the cost of servers, paying their employees to make lightfall and the final shape, etc etc. as it is a free game, although i do agree with dungeon passes, charging for the dungeons definitely feels a bit messed up to me. honestly, this video is the one negative video i've seen for the witch queen. there have been far more positives than there have been negatives, and this video seems to me like it's made to be a contrarian point. sure, the witch queen had some rocky aspects, but all in all bungie has learned and it has been a relatively stable dlc.
@@largestbigman5267 Pretty much, but it seems the 3rd season of the year is always kinda filler-y. Worthy and Splicer were also lull periods in the game for their respective years albeit for rather different reasons.
Honestly I couldn’t agree more regarding the seasons not supporting the dlc. The game rn plays as follows: complete campaign and dlc content - wait till new season stops - new season drops, play new content never touch the old - repeat and wait till new dlc They have been ignoring crucible and strikes for too long, think the changes coming to strikes are great, would love to see strike exclusive loot and an overhaul to every strike that’s older than shadowkeep. + they finally need to bring back old crucible maps and strikes. The idea behind the Dcv was to take the content, rework it and rerelease it, but so far we got a washed version of the leviathan back and that’s it
Imo, the Main DLC was the best part... but the seasons after the DLC might be the part why the community sees Witch Queen in the way they see it in this video.
@@ThyBigCheddar if you pay for options on a car are they not part of the car? Even though you "don't get them" when you buy just the car? Stop acting like it's a hard concept
Evan, I love you, but man, I cannot agree with this sentiment. Maybe (probably) that's just my personal experience with the game, but this year was one that I really did enjoy in spite if the flaws that parts of it did obviously have.
I agree, shadowkeep and beyond light, both as expansions, and as seasons, we’re objectively much worse than Witch Queen and the entire year of content as a whole. Usually love his vids, but calling it a low point in the franchise? No way.
I honestly think people bitch for the sake of it these days. Started playing again with the launch of beyond light, and since then the only season I haven’t enjoyed was Plunder. It was genuinely boring, but it was a filler season so fair. The witch queen year was simply spectacular, and if people want to bitch about it they should go touch some grass. Destiny 2 has went through an incredible transformation this year, and bungie’s community interaction has been the best of it Cannot wait for Lightfall and the coming year.
Honestly, I had more fun this year than I did the entirety of Beyond Light. Sure, season of plunder was a let down, and the seasonal format was getting stale, but the exotics, missions, raids, etc. were much better Imo. I'm more hyped for Lightfall than any other DLC before, so lets just hope the expansion lives up the hype.
Look I get you need to make money but this is meant to be a critical video of destiny and having a raid sponsorship is bad enough but its really not the smartest idea to do it in this kind of video
Disagree with the weapon crafting section, the reason I don’t use the adept weapons is because they roll trash perks or there’s a better option out there. What weapon crafting hurts in my eyes is the joy of getting the gun with a god roll and being happy that you can now use said gun, why would I use the gun when I can just craft it later and add cosmetics (title, shader, special kill trackers). Enhance perks are literally such a low change to the perks and do a tiny bit more then regular perks, you don’t need enhanced perks. The new adapts we have in current loop are just trash and get outclassed by other guns craftable and not craftable the reason windigo is seeing spotlight is because of the buff and because it rolls actually good perks unlike the trials machine gun that only has incandescent going for it and the fact you have to play trials for it. TLDR: enhance perks aren’t that special and adepts are just not good right now cause of perk pools and weapon architypes
One of my biggest focuses for the last 2 seasons was helping new players complete the witch queen campaign through either normal or legendary difficulty (I believe I helped 9 in total, 3 of which were full campaign completions). My idea of playing Destiny 2 is a bit over the place, especially with the team I'm in, since some are veteran players from D1 and some are relatively returning players. I do enjoy the end game content now that I can enjoy a raid to completion, but sometimes it feels forced when it comes to keeping the grind up at times. I hope with Lightfall, the need for guides for new players still remains because I want this game to grow.
It’s not going to grow man. Sorry to tell you. People don’t want to come into a game 8 years late. Especially when it’s one of the worst games out there for teaching new players. All the good times and best memories lie between 2014-17. The rest of this is just some fun here and there and concluding the Destiny story.
Nah, the story, gameplay, accessibility, sound, and build crafting is the best it’s ever been. Season of the seraph is one of the best we’ve had since Forsaken imo. It’s an essential step towards challenging content. Honestly, I just think it’s been 5 years. Who doesn’t get bored with a game after 5 years? I just beat Dead Space for a second time and am officially bored. $89 for 20 hours…
I wouldn't say made it worst per say, witch queen is the reason why I'm excited for lightfall. The dlc itself (what people are going to get when they buy the dlc) is very good. Most of the bad decisions where done after the dlc releases.
This was a hot take for sure. After playing Lightfall, LF felt like a polished version of Shadowkeep. A lot of potential /narrative in story not revealed or projecting clearly to me. Compared to Witch Queen which was rising action. Lightfall felt like a rush to The Final Shape with no explanation of the said “Mcguffin” does
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Sellout.
By the way i think you got the years wrong on the showcase of the 4 seasons 😂
No
Damn. Dissing the Witch Queen AND shilling for Raid Shadow Legends? Bold move. And unadvisable.
i disagree
Lore mistake. The Worm Familiar is not Savathûn’s Worm. It was a Worm found by her father. It would speak to her. Savathûn’s worm was another being we put in the Parasite Gun
I was about to comment about this too.
Yeah he mistake the white worm for her worm
I thought after going into the deep the krill sisters all took a worm, but sathona/savathun took in her fathers worms which granted her some understanding of her father with the deception of memories?
@@bellarue6738 the worm familiar was considered "dead" so that wouldn't have worked.
@@bellarue6738 the osmium king’s worm was already dead at the time, the witness spoke through it’s corpse
i thought the white worm suppose to be smaller ?
'and community sentiment is at an alltime low'
I feel like I hear this every 6 months.
It was pretty bad during Plunder.
@@WhyAyala But that was pretty much it; otherwise, things were pretty up. Sure some complaints but nothing so bad as in other years.
Because you do! Three-fourths through a new expansion year always gets stale. But Bungie also had their highest revenue year ever so community sentiment couldn’t have been THAT low lol. He was digging hard to prove his points in this video.
You do. People get bored after 5 years of playing the same game. It’s totally natural, and any content creator who wants to deep dive the reason for a low player base is simply trying to get our views.
meanwhile season 19 being a hit and lightfall right around the corner.
I don’t think it made Destiny worse, I think it let the Bungie know that changes were needed though
This, absolutely.
the year made some massive mistakes that were intentionally placed to serve lightfall and final shape a better game, it was a sacrifice, but as a result it left this dlc (when isolated) in a bad place, worse than before imo
i agree without witch queen they're wouldn't be solar 2.0 now subclass 3.0
couldn't agree more, think this year laid a good foundation down for the future with subclass 3.0 and the current season was a good time IMO.
Unfortunately yes it did it worse, numbers don’t lie, and even with 4 platforms available for the game is still in a low count. I have personally seen around 25 friends that just stop playing
I think my biggest disappointment in Witch Queen was how little they used Hive Guardians. Honestly a cool feature they could add to strikes is to have set spawns of potential "hive ambushes" with a Hive Lightbearer leading a group to try and stop you. Hell set it so that sometimes they don't spawn to keep players on their toes.
Like they act like hunters from the division? Imagine that being a heart attack during a grandmaster.
Navota strike could've been redone with Light Hive. Also, where is Dul Incaru?
They could’ve done a new strike that isn’t a reused campaign mission where a hive ghost bonded with a familiar ogre from the moon. Bungie needs to make fresh strikes cause this recycled is annoying for the 3rd or 4th year now
Hive trying to assert their dominance as the superior light bearers I like it
I hope they learn this lesson, and use the tormentors more often.
Evan, Fynch literally tells us that he’s helping us because he saw how the hive acted with the light and decided they weren’t worthy of it.
It’s right there lol
Its funny cause he’s a quote on quote “lore” TH-camr, and it goes over his head. At this point he’s slowly becoming one of those content creators who just nitpicks.
@@azrawth3039 He's never been a lore youtuber lol. That's Byf's job. Evan just does retrospectives. He's more of a historian of content than a lore guy.
so someone cant gaslight you just because they say they are good?
Who did what isn’t important for the video’s theme. Who’s worm it is doesn’t affect the fact that the community is dying out lmao
@@themagnet8246 Well first off, the community isn't dying. A game doesn't become #1 pre ordered game on steam and gain 5 million new players in a year if it's dying.
Second, the video talks about story. The comment is discussing that. wtf does the community numbers have to do with that? If you're going to be a doomer, at least do it in a comment thread that makes sense for it.
I think there was plenty of positives that were implemented, as well as negative. But Bungie being more consistent and communicative/transparent gives me solid hope for the future of the franchise
And it’s really funny to me how people got mad at that lmao
Bangio is only transparent and communicative just before a new expansion.
Before that?
Meh...
Didn’t they just become radio silence before release lol
Literally the entire year of witch queen was horrible with communication. We didn't even get trailers for seasons until a day before it launched
@@therealcactoos9457 yep the only reason why they are overhauling everything is because millions of people are leaving of the same grind, easily over power, and lack of rewards and the same seasonal content (bungo fans cope about this fact). After this they probably won’t change anything drastic even when final shape comes out
Evan: "You are in one of two boats"
Also Evan: "I am not in any of the boats" (I think everyone is)
Yeah, I think he was trying to express what the extremes were, but he misworded it into saying the entire community lived on either extreme rather than between them
The Witch Queen itself, not necessarily the seasons after, is still a banger expansion in my eyes and will go down in history as one of the best times I've had in Destiny 2
I'm not a diehard Destiny fan. I don't really play the game except to keep up with lore.
Witch Queen was some of the most solo fun I've had in a LONG time playing the game.
witch queen is the sole reason im excited for lightfall. i want to relive that experience i had going through the witch queen campaign on legendary. Wasnt a champ in sight, and yet was plenty challenging, and was really good pacing.
The only thing Witch Queen gave was a hardmode campaign and weapon crafting. Everything has been the same, and Lightfall is the only thing changing it. So Witch Queen is more of a mid tier realistically.
@@wimbobimbo940 they were just talking about the campaign, the campaign was way better than forsaken's (and others) imo, virtually no parts that just served to pad out playtime and felt rewarding to complete due to the decent challenge. I won't disagree on the actual seasonal content being "eh" though.
Maybe if it was like 30 bucks looking at the length and what it offers. We should not forget that we can buy elden ring at the same price point that the expansions.
Calling Disjunction "alright" is the most generous description of it I've ever heard 😅
Love the content from ya ty!
Frrr it's more like instant backout map
This video is currently sitting at 4.1k likes vs 3.1k dislikes (checked at 2/26/2023)... embarrassing tbh. Sure, the seasonal model is pretty tiresome by now, but it's a problem of stagnation, not decline. Also, you can criticize in a way that actually proposes changes, saying "seasonal model bad" is as controversial as using a linear fusion rifle on Oryx lmao.
This type of video is always the same thing, a youtuber getting tired of the game they play all day for years trying to find post hoc justifications for why they're not having fun anymore. Maybe if you didn't spend hours of your day trying to make a living out of talking about a video game you'd actually enjoy it more.
You said in the campaign section, about 8:00 that the worm sathona’s statue was holding was savathun’s worm, that isn’t what happened, the worm on the statue was Sathona’s father’s pet worm, which the witness spoke to her through. Savathun’s worm itself was taken by Mara Sov after the Exorcism mission, and is the worm in the parasite gun.
My man didn't pay attention to the campaign and made a 40 min video to complain about it
@@tecobel he’s not complaining about the campaign which is the only good thing in the expansion and the raid. Witch queen was not a good expansion it’s only rated so high because of the campaign.
@@tecobel true and 40min waste of time
@tecobel it was a year ago ya bum. A little detail like that doesn't change anything he said.
@@coltonbradley9293 🤡
this is wierd because this is the only video ive ever seen complaining about this DLC, had a fun enticing campaign, amazing weapons, great dungeons, nice drip, amazing stories, ALOT of content
@@God-of-all-monsters Weapon crafting def belongs if seasons are going to be limited time. I don’t understand ppl who think crafting was a worse change, are you really that hooked on that addiction that you like the chase better than the reward lol
@@God-of-all-monstersprobably bc what ur saying is an opinion
And they don’t share it
Only season I didn’t enjoy was plunder
I was cool with all the other seasons
@@lightningjuniorsuper seasons as a concept are trash
He did it because Controversial Opinions = Clicks
@@God-of-all-monstersthat’s like saying I’m gonna quit smoking after this cigarette 🤡
I will say iam only 10-15 minutes in and your videos are normally full of a lot of very accurate research which is appreciated and respected so far, im hearing a lot of things that’s aren’t correct so far.
Negativity gets views on TH-cam 😂
Dude straight up lied about player counts just because November had a low number. He's acting like every other month. This year wasn't better or as good as all the months last year
Okay, how about you stop uttering these vague statements and provide evidence of the contrary? But no, that would take effort. That's why you still play destiny instead of getting a degree 😭
I'm not going to cite steam charts in a TH-cam comment.. f****** reddit warriors I swear
@@mikeedwin1905 I would indeed take a lot of effort as there are so many of them.
Damn, did we even play the same game?
This was a HUGE improvement on the seasons we got with BL
Sure crafting has its issues and health gated bosses are annoying as crap, but I've loved the seasonal stuff making use of current areas as well as adding something new (haunted leviathan was amazing!!)
Late/lack of promotion on seasons was annoying...no point in doing a trailer if not released at least a week ahead (yes we just had LF launch trailer 5 days out but that's one of many promo spots)
The MANY bugs however...oof. The constant xbox crashes on top... they need fixing more than any other qualm.
The fact that bugs like the Chamber of Starlight lost sector one is STILL there, along with ones so big it takes out the API for days on end...twice.... these bugs and some fine tuning of craftable weapons are all that need addressing really.
Massive agree to disagree
Campaign was awesome. Seasons were some of the worst I have ever experienced. It was the same completely soulless, formulaic, uninspired experience I have come to expect from Bungie seasons nowadays, getting stałe after just weeks...
The campaign was mid ngl
@@mikeedwin1905 literally the only bad season was plunder
@@HajileMalachrisen was also pretty bad, most “battlegrounds” seasons feel kinda bad
Finch told us basically right after meeting him why he wanted to help us...after light bearing hive started attacking guardians he refuses to believe that is the travelers plan and so he doesn't resurrect his "pile of bones"
When I played the game, I never bought that as a reason for Fynch turning against the Hive. Fynch has been around for how long now, and willingly chose to join the Hive knowing that they were omnicidal maniacs, and surprise pikachu faces when, you guessed it, they use the Light to be omnicidal maniacs. Evan's point I think is that Fynch's whole story is severely underbaked.
@@roberthesser6402 I think we are still missing a whole lot of story on this subject intentionally, they always leave threads like this open for future story telling
@Robert Hesser also I believe, I may be wrong because I haven't played it in a while. But I believe it'd mention somewhere that Savathun's ghost tricked/bullied the other ghost into choosing hive, using the fact that it had been so long and they still hadn't found their "guardian". And the hive being homicidal is irrelevant because when you are resurrected all your old memories/tendencies are supposed to be wiped clean...so it would be surprising for some ghost if their new hive guardian would start behaving like it used too....granted I don't think they intended anyone to really look that closely at any of these reason so all arguments are basically paper thin.
@@roberthesser6402 Keep in mind. In lore tabs and stuff from Fynch’s perspective, he explains why he rezzed the hive. He explains how he was a part of a huge pack of Guardian-less Ghosts. Ghosts who hadn’t found their Guardians for a long.. long.. *long* time. All of them were desperate, Fynch included.
When the Traveller gave them the “go ahead” to revive the Hive and they were approached by Savathun/Immaru to do so, that was the incentive they needed. Fynch was, admittedly, still very weary because of them been omnicidap maniacal race but a mixture of genuine desperation to have a guardian + peer pressure from his fellow peers who were reviving Hive right beside him well..
Well, you now have it. Of course, Fynch regrets the decision.
The incessant whining of this community has been the only thing all year that made destiny worse. I love logging into destiny every day and participating in the large variety of content available. I love listening to the lore and looking at fan theories, art, concepts... The most exhausting thing in destiny is opening Twitter or reddit for more than 20 minutes and being told that the game isn't fun because it isn't.
After watching the video, I feel you glazed over the positives of witch queen and its year of post launch support and a lot of the criticism you aimed at the game felt very vague, like you were hinting a larger motive on bungie's part when there just isn't one.
It's OK if you're feeling some destiny burnout man, we all do sometimes. But holy hell this video just felt like a compilation of the communities most reactionary hot takes presented as a year in review, and a waste of 44 minutes of my time.
This is a long comment just because this video felt very pessimistic, which is completely the opposite of my experience with the game. But, I do want to say you are one of the most important content creators for this game and I do appreciate what you do. Also, I don't think all of your criticism is invalid either. Bungie still has a lot of holes in the ship they need to patch. I just feel like destiny is pretty far from being better without the Witch Queen.
This. Also, twitter is a hellscape. Do your mental health a favor and get rid of it.
Facts
This was refreshing thank you
So real, ofc destiny isn't perfect, ofc some new features it adds won't land right, ofc there are gonna be some bad content drops. But come on, to say witch queen "made destiny worse" is just deceitful, considering that every content drop made destiny worse in some way. I love evanf, but this has got to be one of his worse takes in a long while, I feel like for the sake of grabbing attention.
They got rid of campaign and turned the game into wow in the sense of needing to purchase expansions to continue.
Everything else I’ve got is typical video game gripes, but that campaign erasure took away the interest I had in the story.
It didn’t make the game worse, it improved in so many needed areas and was a massive improvement over compared to beyond light and shadow keep
idk i really liked beyond light, asides from the gradually unlocking stasis thing i thought it was a good mid tier dlc with a nice story
Light 3.0 refresh made the game so much better. Yeah, we were OP but so what? Go solo some stuff and feel like a champ. Also, the story is finally feeling cohesive and grand and I barely cared much before.
This is nonsense More like three steps forward a little step back with some feature design and the way the stories didn't go together as well
Ok, where did it improve? Stop copin and provide evidence ya weasel
Man….this is a mighty hot take you have here. Witch Queen was an overall amazing expansion that only improved Destiny.
Not hot... just a garbage take
How did it improve Destiny besides starting hardmode campaigns and weapon crafting? The game was literally the same after that.
@@wimbobimbo940 Is adding things while having other stuff stay the same really making the game worse? Maybe if you didn’t like it staying the same the word would be stagnate, but it wouldn’t be making the thing worse
@@wood5596 Never said it made anything worse nor did I say I hated it. The DLC was fine..But realistically, pricing it the same price and or higher than their other previous DLC's, whilst adding little to no content besides some weapons and armor, alongside a 'fun' campaign? That's not something to scream and hype out.
I just REALLY hate it when people exaggerate the DLC, making it out to seem as if it was overall amazing.
It's just 'Good', nothing special.
He's lying to you. This is such an incredibly disingenuous take. Every month this year had more players than previous years except for November which just hit a low sure there's things they can improve and burn out is a thing but every month this year has more players than every month. In the last several years. Dude like a politician lying to spin his version of the story
As a veteran, I’m at the point where gear is useless to me. I have my gear and builds, I just want engaging and fun content to use that stuff in without it feeling like a chore. I’d like more chasable cosmetics, I’d grind for those all day. Cant argue with awesome Guardian Fashion.
as a veteran myself i definetly agree
100% factual.
All these changes won’t mean a thing if there isn’t something to chase besides a ghost shell and ship.
Give me cosmetics!
Give me armor effects!
Give me auras!
Allow me to physically show that I put in time, not just money.
But don't you understand, why make the game good when you can make the money good instead
I feel like this video was made because of all the hate for lightfall and attempted to bring down destiny’s best expansion to make lightfall look better.
So he made this video to make lightfall look better, uploaded days before anyone played the game, and probably took a week or two to make?
Maybe you are just stuck in the “pay your editors adequately” quest
Why does bro hate one of the best years we've gotten?
I’m just saying, warlocks not getting a solar buddy as to be against the law. Or maybe the Traveler just doesn’t like us after all the Well of Radiance spam.
A healing turret sounds like an option.
@@RaidenBlvck I dislike that idea, let's go flamethrower.
@@RaidenBlvck Solar warlock has too many healing centric things, we need a miniature war crime buddy damnit
That was a tragedy. I really felt each subclass in 3.0 had a dud rework.
@@RaidenBlvck Already have one with the exotic Glaive
Personally, this was easily the most fun I’ve had in Destiny during Witch Queen. Banger of a DLC that holds a candle to Taken King. The seasons that came after were not half bad. Just the design choices made were. Shadowkeep seasons were WAAAY worse in my eyes. Worthy still gives me PTSD for having to due all those public events and half baked trials. Witch Queen was an absolute blast.
i think taken king has just nostalgia factored it’s way into S tier for a lot of people, in my opinion forsaken beats taken king content wise by far. but i might be wrong because i haven’t played taken king in like.. 5 years? LOL
I was around for the red war campaign and I can say (ofc in a biased opinion) that witch queen changed how I played D2 forever. it was my first day 1 raid experience, i saw rng take a backseat to specific weapons, and it has been in my 4 years of playing d2 (as of writing this comment) my favorite expansion to d2. i understand forsaken was great but it was great in continuing the story. witch queen is great in EXPANDING the story. vow is my most completed raid and it still makes me ponder what the witness has in store for us.
Honestly. Playing forsaken, red war and having a brain that had a neuron active this week. Forsaken was a inferior expansion and the only reason why people hold it in such high regard is nostalgia. Kinda like classic wow
@@voxling the only thing in wich witch queen is better than forsaken is its campaign and had it been more challenging it wpuld prob be top 2 instead of the red war
Rng based loot will always be better than this. But I’m glad you got your participation trophy loot I guess
Its because it wasnt a day 1. But a 48 hr lol
@@agssilv5919 tell me one thing forsaken did better.
I don't really think that the witch queen worsened the experience. If anything, Im grateful that it seems to have catalyzed a new method of delivering content and at this point (season of seraph) have brought back some the mystery that destiny originally specialized in.
I think when it came to balancing things weren't the best but besides that, this dlc cycle wasn't as horrible as Beyond Light
To be fair: I was surprise that they got that out when the world was on fire that and adopting the work from home thing
Crucible and Gambit got buried even deeper between the launch of WQ and now
What do you mean dlc cycle
@@makaveliba4243 seasonal cycle, is that better?
@@chillhour6155 Did they not rework gambit at the start of the expansion with WQ and season 16 ?
Witch Queen is what brought me back to Destiny.
I haven't played Destiny in 6 months
It brought a lot of people back to destiny 2. Lying about the player count just because November hit an all-time low doesn't change the fact that every other month this year has been better or as good as all of the months in previous years
WQ is what brought me back and made me leave for even longer.
I think your criticism of the red border XP farm is a bit unfair. Sure, the Shuro Chi checkpoint is the fastest, but that's strictly for those who are making it their sole effort instead of... you know, interacting with the other aspects of the game. You did that to yourself and you literally played yourself into making it a negative experience. Instead of investing time into playing other experiences in the game, you made it a chore. That's not the games fault for making it a negative, that's your own doing. The same could be said when trying to farm random rolls. Why spend 100 hours trying to farm a singular roll? It's the same fucking argument, but you made it something negative.
I see where you're coming from, but it's an MMO and most will take the fastest route to get the best loot, it's just the nature of these games
@@evanf1997 The fact that players will optimize the fun out of a game is no fault of the game itself.
Consider the sheer amount of activities you need to do to max out a single weapon then scale it up to 4-5 weapons a season. Now combine it with the fact a lot of players (like myself) interact mostly with content that requires us to use certain types of weapons to finish them. That is why we sit at shuro chi and farm, because the weapon rolls and weapon types are not good at (or even capable of) doing the type of content we want to actually do.
Bro just tell us you don’t like Destiny anymore, lmao.
Usually I really enjoy your content, but this ain’t it. Clear misinformation at times around player counts, story beats, and player sentiment, as well as some very questionable takes.
I think one of the biggest issues with leveling weapons is that killing a bunch of weak enemies is way easier and levels way faster than doing difficult content. There should be a multiplier based on light difference going forwards to make it worth it.
It still has nothing on the bait and switch of Shadowkeep.
shadowkeep retrospective this year?
@@evanf1997yes father egg that would b nice
Or beyond light.
@@JPOG7TV i made a beyond light one :)
shadowkeep was the best year of destiny ever and I will stand by this, the game got infinitely worse in BL and WQ
To call this the lowest point or saying that it made the game worse is forgetting how bad the content drought was after TTK and during vanilla D2. I feel like whatever bungie does they’re cornered. If they make things harder people complain. If they make things easier people complain. They’re in a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation
The traveler being on fundament was not a surprise. We've known that since the book of sorrow. We knew the darkness tricked them by telling them, the sky only has lies... the truth is in the deep... or something like that
I’m pretty sure the books do not mention the traveler being there
@@Demigodking it does. The traveler is the extra moon.
@@Demigodking The 52 moons of the Fundament were also home to an advanced cephalopod species that had been assisted in its growth by the Traveler.2
The "trick" was that there was no god wave. That's what they were lied to about. They chose the darkness under a false pretense that if they didn't their home would be destroyed.
@@WhyAyala 💯
bro at this point you just want people to not like this game. i've rewatched this like 3 times to try and understand ur points but you make mistakes in the points ur trying to make urself bruh.
It’s like we’ve heard this so many times from countless of content creators. Like what’s new.
I remember during taken king there were always people running around the dreadnaught months after it released
I think that Datto's view on crafting is a good one, its supposed to be a failsafe but people are treating it like the main goal. also I think that efficiency is king, again a mindset change you don't need to be efficient there is a lot of time to do what you want the only reason people feel that the acquiring red boarders and leveling of weapons is a problem is that they are impatient. Also I don't think that the enhanced perks are so much better that most people can tell them apart most perks just increase ease of use by 2 to 3 seconds and most people wont feel the difference unless they are really looking for it. people want stuff as soon as possible which leads them to do unfun things and in the end making the whole experience a bad one. I managed to convince some of my hardcore friends about this and they've had more fun since taking it easy. TLDR if you're not having fun do something that is fun, the point of the weapon crafting system is a failsafe and leveling is supposed to be a passive thing that happens while using the guns you like to use. people will start have more fun if they focus on fun and hyperptimization (unless that's fun for you in which case go ahead). Well this is just my opinion so take it as you will.
For real, I got plenty of good or perfect rolls before coming close to unlock the patterns for most of the weapons. I still crafted them since I had the time to get the patterns, but very little of it would have been necessary. And I'm still grateful for the no RNG option to be there incase I want to try out a specific combo or have bad luck with drops for a while. I really noticed this again with the uncraftable SotW weapons, I still haven't gotten the perk combo I want for the pistol and GL even after 30 full runs and a few additional first / second encounter farms.
Adding enhanced perks at all was a mistake due to how mandatory they feel for many players. As you said the benefits are really minor for most of them and it was only meant for topping up the weapons you like and use regularly already. I never had an issue passively leveling the SMGs for example, they are just good weapons matching my playstyle no matter the perks. I got the mini tool to level 100 in the time it took me to get a scout to level 10, without ever actively grinding for it at all.
This 1000%.
Except if you have children, a full time job, adult responsibilities and would like to work out a little bit; you need to be efficient. Datto saying that is laughable, he plays it for a living. Generally I find him tone deaf anyway, but that’s my opinion.
@@bm2844 destiny is a game that requires time commitment to get the best stuff. If you want to have a life outside the game that’s awesome, but you have to realize it means you won’t get the best items in the game handed to you for free🤷♂️ when life gets busy for me I just stop playing and focus on life. I don’t complain that I didn’t get every god roll in existence while playing less than an hour a week
@@user-fz8ci2sg5p hey thanks for the .02 I didn’t ask for, I’ve got all the things I want but I have to be efficient is what I’m saying. Because I can’t no life it like a guy who does this for a living. I’ve solo flawlessed dungeons, have the crafted weapons I want, conqueror, adept trials weapons.
Rofl at this video.
Worst Expansions Rank, Walk of Shame (hard truths will be spoken)
1 and 2) Curse of Osiris/Warmind (Activision influence bringing 2 weak expansions that couldnt justify the cost for the content, they dropped in price quickly and they were given for free with Forsaken. Easily the worst expansions of the bunch. The worst one was the expansions Trials shipped with as it had very low amount of content & Trials failed and had to be rebranded. 'It came raw'..
3) Shadowkeep (weak story, lots of public events tied to the campaign, also it was the pinnacle of unbalance and powercreep (ex Recluse) that started with Forsaken. It eventually led to sunsetting). The seasons before and after were very barebones (dripfeed content) and Season of Undying before Shadowkeep is widely considered the worst Destiny season ever.
5) Beyond Light (Stasis unbalanced class and the calculated, intended deprecation of the Light subclasses were the least problems. The biggest was the Stasis fragment gathering for all 3 classes which led to a far better Light 3.0 system 1 year later. However Beyond Light had one of the biggest influx of players because of Xbox Pass and Steam). It might be worse than other expansions, but it has one of the highest important expansions for that reason alone.
6) Witch Queen (made many things correct and introduced many concepts that plague D2, some worked, some didnt work so good. Its most important contribution is in the overall D2 story, previously even the story was dripfeed.
5) Forsaken (In retrospect, it made many things wrong (gameplay wise), but the community was too eager to absorb the content, which was good. 3 studios worked on it and the level of quality shows. One of its biggest problems was the power creep. Many high-end teams abused the power engram farming to have a chance in the raid. These systems wouldnt fly together in the community. Lastly Forsaken started the big powercreep with Luna's Howl (400-600$ it costed on the black market, can you imagine? Some were asking for even 1000$.) Still, its the best expansion and new players are always amazed at Destiny's best location (Dr.City).
?) Lightfall (Guessing that Lightfall will be around Beyond Light and Witch Queen. Not sure if D2 has the momentum of these 2 expansions but even if it hasnt, Bungie can easily turn this around with price drops and various deals. Also not sure if it really can turn D2's aging problems (grinding, light level farming) and the PvP community concerns as a whole (these are more difficult to fix than a simple handcannon buff). But these will be the major factors (along with story/gameplay) that this expansion will be judged after a few months pass. So all it needs to do is at least be on Beyond Light's level.
Wow you got rose tinted glasses for the past.
Yeah it could have been better but compared to what came before it was an absolute banger.
The campaign was repetative if you need to play through it 3 times for some exotics? Not the greatest to be sure but wayyyy better than unlocking stasis on all 3 characters - and the campaign itself was one of the best coop shooter experiences Ive ever played.
Play through the campaigns of past expansions again and you'll sing a different tune. Sure this past year was far from perfect but to propose that it may have made the game worse is objectively absurd.
Forsaken, Rise of Iron, and Taken King are still the best DLCs and WQ doesn't come close. Though if they added half the content of these DLCs and had the campaign, it'd be up there.
@@NobleVI_343 Forsaken was pretty good but it's in the context of it;s time that it reaches the lofty heights that it does. The legendary WQ campaign has encounter design and narrative and gameplay flow that are unmatched by anything in the past - WQ campaign is better than most FPS games out there full stop. Forsaken campaign is excellent by destiny/MMO standards and incredible for how it revitalised the game.
Shadowkeep and Beyond Light were very bloated and lackluster campaigns, one of which basically takes place on a D1 map so we have to go back a very, very long way before we find an expansion that even remotely rivals WQ
@@deesevrin8570 I agree with the entirety of your statement, I think Beyond Light/ Shadowkeep deserved this video, evan has lost the plot if he thinks WQ was the start of making the game worse. More unstable? Sure, but they played with a lot of new stuff, it's just such a shame that they feel the need to underdeliver in regards to content leading up to what's supposed to be more hype content. An actual tragedy because I feel they would have taken hive guardians and new hieghts if they really could run off with it, but yeah, best campaign in the franchise without a doubt. Rest? Ehhhhh.
Will say this again, this video is a retrospective of the year of the witch queen without any lightfall changes to come and has been subject to retrospect in that way! I am pretty hyped for lightfall, but have been waiting to get these thoughts of the witch queen off my chest all year now!
Agreeded
What’s that? Bungie had weaponized their former relationship with a hated entity like Activision blizzard to mask their own scummy and poor behaviour? Perish thw though, how could everyone’s favorite son, Bungie, ever do anything wrong!?
Videos like this make me glad I have the Dislike Extension to see that juicy 2.4K to 1.6K ratio it's sitting at. This used to be a great history channel. Now whenever it pops up in my feed it feels like nothing but clickbait and doom-posting.
"Apathy is death, worse then death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects."
Kreia
I've heard you praise how good witch queen campaign was. Now your flip flopping more than a woman going shopping in flip flops
People can’t change their minds later on?
I think this dude's mistaking the fact that he couldnt make content on previous seasons because it had already been made with the fact that people didn't play previous seasons. Matchmaking times in all seasonal content in the last 2 months have been incredibly good regardless of it being a year ago
As much as I understand the dislike things being way too easy I think we'll look back on this year as the year of the power fantasy. Our guardians were practically unstoppable in lore and gameplay which I don't think anything is more fitting compared to how absolutely destroyed we're gonna probably feel come Lightfall. We'll probably lose allies, have the witness completely mess us up and feel completely and utterly defeated. Super fitting for how unstoppable we felt this past year.
I wouldn’t say the witch queen made the game worse, in fact I think it was a high point in the game’s history. I would say that it just felt safe, like they were scared to change too many things and it really showed in the seasons this year.
the worm familiar found in the temple was her fathers, not hers
THANK YOU 🤙 Ive been saying this forever now lol
Hence the cutscene that follows Ikora using the Enclave on Savathuns Fathers familiar, unlocking its memory when Savathuns found her father's worm and it whispered to her.
Just so you know, Mr.Evanf 🤙
Mara was in possession of Savathuns worm after season of the losts
thanks for clearing
@@evanf1997snoogins 🤙 still a great video
Yeah...I don't agree with most of this. I don't like you're trying to nitpick certain issues and complaining about it. The issue of all light subclasses all having access to all grenades is nitpicky and throws away the main thing about light 3.0. Having access to all the grenades didn't make the classes the same. It's the subclasses themselves. A Void titan doesn't play the same as a hunter or warlock. Just because they can use the same grenades, doesn't make it samey. I agree that the seasonal cycle is stale and needs to change, no doubt about that but you're also implying that we should push Bungie into crunching so we can get these changes sooner. Big changes need time, putting a bandaid on it just because it's OP for a month, doesn't fix the issue.
We want changes, at a reasonable pace and I think they're getting there. It's not perfect, but nothing is. Shouting into the void about speeding it up, only makes them feel worse. This video completely dunks on what was a great expansion. It's not the best, but it's better than what we've gotten over the last few ones.
I think with queen was the best expansion we have ever had
The raid is my favorite and considered one of the best
The story is undoubtedly the best we’ve ever had
And This year has brought us all the new subclass changes
Witch Queen definitely was not the 'best expansion we've had', the only thing it gave was a Hard Mode campaign and weapon crafting (which ruined the search for god rolls for some weapons).
The raid was mid compared to alot of others.
The story was quite decently, but calling it the best is just blinding yourself from other campaigns in this games franchise.
The subclass changes were the only good thing and it took 9 months for all of them to finally be complete.
Stop overhyping Witch Queen as 'amazing', it's annoying how many of yous there are.
@@wimbobimbo940 name a better dlc
@@DucEatr Sure thing.
Forsaken
Rise of Iron
The Taken King
They all added much more content, alot of changes, nerfs/buffs that actually changed the crucible and strikes that were unique and fun.
Witch Queen is no way onpar with any of that, recycling and making like one new strike, alongside one new PvP map in years that is hated by everyone except blinded fanboys 💀 Not to mention that every raid from those DLCs are beloved as fuck. Especially Wrath of the Machine.
Just curiousity.. Can you name out your points on why Witch Queen was 'the beat expansion we have ever had'?
Witch queen was undoubtedly great, however the seasons after it felt stale and made unnecessary changes like AE that only hampered enjoyment of the game. The seasons themselves do progress the story line, but the missions and content actually featured are severely lackluster considering that seasons originally brought in actually new feeling activities and more innovated gameplay. The most remember-able thing about something outside of the witchqueen campaign was subclasses 3.0, but to many it still felt nearly the same from the lack of new features in the subclasses.
that said the raid was pretty good.
That's nice to know, but this has nothing to about the WQ campaign itself
Here after lightfall
Jesus christ how little I cherished Witch Queen, I regret doing so
note: the worm in the temple of sathona isnt savathuns worm. its the original worm that whispered to the sisters on fundament
Yeah he should know that
definitely did not make the game worse, I have no idea what you mean, starting to sound like darkside royalty
imo it made the game better, but the seasons following it just dragged it through the mud
I feel like a big issue with destiny these days is simply the approach to grinding. I feel like in d1 no matter what type of player you were, you had a grind geared toward your activities. Strikes had heroic strikes, where you could chase good drops as well as strike specific loot, then there was the multiple difficulty levels of the prison of elders, add on raids and PvE players had multiple activities geared toward different levels of skill as well as group size, and on TOP of that we had factions, as well as weekly weapon orders (i forget exactly what they were called, but you basically requisitioned weapons weekly from Banshee). I cant speak for pvp cause i was a pve player back in the day, but with pinnacles you feel shackled to the same grind that bungie has decided is the most fun. For me, i liked being able to choose where to spend my time as opposed to now feeling like if i dont slog through modes i hate and get slapped around until i get a pinnacle for simply being there that i am now wasting time and falling behind. Thats just me though
Judging by all the comments here, I think Evan is just playing devil's advocate to try and boost his channel in terms of engagement. Farming off all the comments disagreeing with him so that his content isn't drowned out when the avalanche of videos drop with Lightfall.
There is overwhelming disagreement of this take, not cool Evan, not cool.
The main story of Witch Queen was my favorite, way more than Beyond Light, but as for the Seasons, I'm going to give my pros and cons about them.
- Season of the Risen
While it was the starting season for Witch Queen, the story as well as the missions were mixed feelings, sure we saw a side of Saladin that I really liked and we get more to Crow's confliction with his past as Uldren Sov, but everything else was not that great but not bad.
- Season of the Haunted
With the return of the Leviathan, I was hoping we'd get some big fight with Calus after we helped Crow, Zavala, and Caiatl quell their Nightmares, instead, we get a disappointing fight with a sub-par ending, despite us learning that Calus has become a Disciple of the Witness.
- Season of the Plunder
By far my least favorite in terms of gameplay, while I do like attacking other pirate lords, I felt like we could have had more to it. While the story was also gave me mixed feelings, bringing back Osiris was a nice touch for a bad season.
- Season of the Seraph
Personally one of, if not, the BEST season for Witch Queen, from returning to one of the old bunkers from Season of the Worthy, to going back to Mars, to going into space and fighting against a now Scorned Praksis, to Rasputin returning but sacrificing himself to save us from Xivu Arath to the final moments before Lightfall, this season gave me hype unlike anything else. My complaints however; are on the encounters for both Mars and Europa, while Mars gives us a chance to reactivate the Escalation Protocols, I feel like the Kelgorath fight could have had less witches than ever, because I cannot tell you how many times I've had trouble with those witches, especially on Europa. The Shrieker Boss for Europa gave me flashbacks to Savathun's Song back on Titan and when I did the Thorn Quest on that very same strike.
These are my personal thoughts about Witch Queen and its seasons, I won't go over the Raids and Dungeons as they had their ups and downs, but at least they'll last and have some fixes to them in the future unlike the Seasons.
couldn't agree more those witch are a pain in the but
@@BigT182 I died more times to being trapped in the auras than the boss. Did not help that most of the time I was the only one trying to kill them as my teammates went after the boss.
@@Blub_blubby I know that feeling, those witches are what makes the encounters for both Mars and Europa stressful.
I disagree with you about weapon crafting, that's the most satisfying system for obtaining your personal perfect weapon in the game right now. There are so many dungeon legendaries I wish I could craft because I cannot get an auto-loading chill clip Lingering Dread for the life of me. I've had that dungeon since launch btw
I have an issue with your opinion about health gated bosses: not all health gated bosses should be put into the same bag, you should distinguish the health gating done in witch queen from the health gating done in other content.
First of all, I see that your main concern is that you think that the only thing introduced with health gating is a form of wasting players time.
This is true in every case in which the health gate does not involve increasing the effort that the player has to do in order to kill the boss (like in strikes, or in seasonal activities, the only thing that varies in these activities when health gates are introduced is the amount of time that the player has to waste).
In witch queen, it also happens (mainly in the europa mission) that you have to spend more time in order to kill the boss because of said mechanic, but in this particular case something makes it different than a waste of time. To make it really clear, after the boss health gates itself, you have to deactivate four shields, and after that, you will be able to kill said boss. In this case, we have a problem: each time a health gate happens, a lot of enemies appear near the shields, and in legendary difficulty, they hit enough in order to kill people with restoration. Because of this, you have to strategically use the cover in order to approach each shield. Not to mention that you have to be further away from each shield because after you finish one of the boss’s health bars, enemies appear near them (something very dangerous). This is why it forces you to think more, to make a greater effort in order to win, and a bigger effort (which is not the same as more time spent) in almost every case involves bigger gratification after completing an activity.
So, it wouldn’t be true that the health gate mechanic makes the campaign worse, it would be invalid to state the opposite as a fact, saying that it makes it worse is only a matter of opinions.
And, in my opinion, the wq campaign is better than some of halo campaigns (obviously not all), so I have to disagree with your last point.
Honestly, witch queen is up there with taken king and forsaken for me. I didn’t know people thought it made the game worse
No shot. I think this was one of the best dlcs we've had. Definitely didn't make the game worse
Hot take: Vicarious Visions was the best and worst thing to happen to Destiny.
The Studio was amazing, and the extra funding helped too
I agree they made content that everyone loved yet at the same time that same content everyone loved is something Bungie will not be able to replicate what they brought into the game, probably won't be able top what VV made either
Imagine calling witch queen bad. The story was great, subclasses got cooler and we got the glaive. Nothing negative to say about it.
the issue is that people started realizing that destiny stopped evolving
bungie started making the game more cookie cutter
I think the biggest issue was that it took a huge leap forward, but it didn’t have anywhere to land. The campaign was revolutionary for Destiny in many ways but once the first few weeks were over, the game just floundered and failed to literally keep up with itself
The lowest player count comment is a bit misleading, because while it is true, that was for Season 18. The player count for Season 19 has only risen as the season has gone on
"You find yourself in two boats" "im in between" not really two boats then is it?
I feel like you could've come up with a better title if you're being objective as possible lol
taking a stance is objectively subjective Maverick 😅
The good got better and the bad just kinda stayed, didn’t get worse but just stayed. We’ll see how lightfall goes
I agreed this guy's entire video is backed by these falling player numbers. You know every month this year has been as good if not better than previous years except for November...
"Time deamanding grinds" Jesus Christ just play the game with crafted weapons you dont need to play the 100% optimal meta loadout all the time or even at all. If you spend 40 hours st churi chi that is your fault Not bungies
I’d rather grind out to get the crafted weapons to my ideal roll than doing strikes or whatever since any other endgame content requires mods that I can’t use for X weapon.
@@adjcsee4476 what? Just play the fkn game
When you compliment every bit of content that is in the game but complain about a specific feature being weapon crafting and how the story still is tying together as well as you want them to you. Just because you personally didn't play the seasonal content all year though, most people did. To call that one step forward and two step back is insane. "The soul of everything here is great. I just don't like the way it's melded together and a feature" is not two steps back. That's like a bit of an issue. You're definitely part of the problem.
Evan pay your editors challenge (impossible)
"Seasonal content bad"
Damn, brave take right there, really needed the clickbait title to get those views!
bro its videos like this that keep the community so negative and makes people stir away from the game. title it different bro.
I think you're exaggerating the negative impact of removing seasons. We keep our gear, weapons, exotics, 3.0 subclasses, and lore when they end. Many activities like Heists, PsiOps, and Dungeons carry on. The seasonal model enhances the game, creates great experiences, then makes room for new content annually. I'd take this over the long content droughts of d1 or vanilla d2!
I love how you mentioned farming shuro chi for weapon leveling because that’s exactly what I’m doing while watching this video
Evan could you at least get the story lore right if you’re gonna complain about it? The story was not overhyped nor was it misleading
This Year has been one of the best years in terms of consistent good content. I've played more D2 this year then i have since Forsaken. I think the seasonal model is stale, but the stores and content there keep getting better and better.
They keep raising the bar
(Crucible is not the same story, but the future sounds bright... hopefully)
Bro wtf do u mean 70% of all content was reused assets and the dlc was just a glorified season
Not sure what swet is saying and why that’s relevant here. When the season of seraph launched and players addressed concerns, bungie said that they couldn’t make changes for a couple seasons because the next season and witch queen was already done just waiting to launch. So If they are that ahead of schedule how can we be sooo sure that they are crunching super hard to meet deadlines?
I mean Lightfall was already done not witch queen*
Exactly, Evan and swet don’t really understand project pipelines and it shows lol
Bro shills out and says this lmao
this video honestly feels really half-baked, evan. i understand this is your opinion, but some of your points feel like they ignore crucial bits of information. as other commenters have mentioned,
- fynch joined us because he saw how the hive used the light and didn't agree with it, and the worm familiar and savathun's worm are different things
- your argument for community sentiment at an all-time low is the steam charts, which always tend to be low at the end of a season, and especially so at the end of the final season of the year once the seasonal quest ends
- maybe i'm being nitpicky here, but you commenting on the lack of people in the throne world really doesn't hold up to what i see; usually the throne world is massively populated, and maybe that's due to different servers but it really confuses me
- the order of dungeons and seasons (especially so with haunted/duality and seraph/sotw) is fine, honestly? how else would the final cutscene go if it was haunted instead of seraph? i feel as well if it was the case that duality and haunted were the last bits of content in the year, many more would complain about calus' storyline being abandoned until the last season and start to feel rushed. seraph makes a perfect end to the year and the perfect preparatory season for lightfall.
- they need to charge for the season pass for the cost of servers, paying their employees to make lightfall and the final shape, etc etc. as it is a free game, although i do agree with dungeon passes, charging for the dungeons definitely feels a bit messed up to me.
honestly, this video is the one negative video i've seen for the witch queen. there have been far more positives than there have been negatives, and this video seems to me like it's made to be a contrarian point. sure, the witch queen had some rocky aspects, but all in all bungie has learned and it has been a relatively stable dlc.
Seasons wise it was pretty ass. But witch queen itself was actually very good, other than the start of vow.
Season were fine outside of plunder
@@largestbigman5267 Pretty much, but it seems the 3rd season of the year is always kinda filler-y. Worthy and Splicer were also lull periods in the game for their respective years albeit for rather different reasons.
Honestly I couldn’t agree more regarding the seasons not supporting the dlc. The game rn plays as follows: complete campaign and dlc content - wait till new season stops - new season drops, play new content never touch the old - repeat and wait till new dlc
They have been ignoring crucible and strikes for too long, think the changes coming to strikes are great, would love to see strike exclusive loot and an overhaul to every strike that’s older than shadowkeep. + they finally need to bring back old crucible maps and strikes. The idea behind the Dcv was to take the content, rework it and rerelease it, but so far we got a washed version of the leviathan back and that’s it
Imo, the Main DLC was the best part... but the seasons after the DLC might be the part why the community sees Witch Queen in the way they see it in this video.
The seasons are all connected with the DLC. Therefore part of Witch Queen
@@ThomasTheTankEngine22 Other than the fact you don't get them when you buy Witch Queen, sure
Couldn't agree more, although this last season I'll say it was pretty neat with Revision Zero mission and the weapons to
@@ThyBigCheddar if you pay for options on a car are they not part of the car? Even though you "don't get them" when you buy just the car? Stop acting like it's a hard concept
@@anthonygomez9918 the last season is indeed a highlight comparatively
This is honestly a repeated cycle. New expac hype, season after season, diminish playerbase till new expac.
Evan, I love you, but man, I cannot agree with this sentiment. Maybe (probably) that's just my personal experience with the game, but this year was one that I really did enjoy in spite if the flaws that parts of it did obviously have.
that's good, we shouldn't agree on everything for the game or else we'd be not having fun chatting, happy you had a good time with the expansion
I agree, shadowkeep and beyond light, both as expansions, and as seasons, we’re objectively much worse than Witch Queen and the entire year of content as a whole.
Usually love his vids, but calling it a low point in the franchise? No way.
The whole year isn't Witch Queen. And even if it was, it failed.
I honestly think people bitch for the sake of it these days. Started playing again with the launch of beyond light, and since then the only season I haven’t enjoyed was Plunder. It was genuinely boring, but it was a filler season so fair.
The witch queen year was simply spectacular, and if people want to bitch about it they should go touch some grass. Destiny 2 has went through an incredible transformation this year, and bungie’s community interaction has been the best of it
Cannot wait for Lightfall and the coming year.
Honestly, I had more fun this year than I did the entirety of Beyond Light. Sure, season of plunder was a let down, and the seasonal format was getting stale, but the exotics, missions, raids, etc. were much better Imo. I'm more hyped for Lightfall than any other DLC before, so lets just hope the expansion lives up the hype.
Made everything worse? What?
Evan, I'm a big fan, but that's nonsense. Witch Queen was an excellent expansion.
Look I get you need to make money but this is meant to be a critical video of destiny and having a raid sponsorship is bad enough but its really not the smartest idea to do it in this kind of video
Super cringe lmfao
Disagree with the weapon crafting section, the reason I don’t use the adept weapons is because they roll trash perks or there’s a better option out there. What weapon crafting hurts in my eyes is the joy of getting the gun with a god roll and being happy that you can now use said gun, why would I use the gun when I can just craft it later and add cosmetics (title, shader, special kill trackers). Enhance perks are literally such a low change to the perks and do a tiny bit more then regular perks, you don’t need enhanced perks. The new adapts we have in current loop are just trash and get outclassed by other guns craftable and not craftable the reason windigo is seeing spotlight is because of the buff and because it rolls actually good perks unlike the trials machine gun that only has incandescent going for it and the fact you have to play trials for it. TLDR: enhance perks aren’t that special and adepts are just not good right now cause of perk pools and weapon architypes
One of my biggest focuses for the last 2 seasons was helping new players complete the witch queen campaign through either normal or legendary difficulty (I believe I helped 9 in total, 3 of which were full campaign completions). My idea of playing Destiny 2 is a bit over the place, especially with the team I'm in, since some are veteran players from D1 and some are relatively returning players. I do enjoy the end game content now that I can enjoy a raid to completion, but sometimes it feels forced when it comes to keeping the grind up at times. I hope with Lightfall, the need for guides for new players still remains because I want this game to grow.
It’s not going to grow man. Sorry to tell you. People don’t want to come into a game 8 years late. Especially when it’s one of the worst games out there for teaching new players. All the good times and best memories lie between 2014-17. The rest of this is just some fun here and there and concluding the Destiny story.
@@cookeez7010 I agree, but it’s better than letting the game rot
Nah, the story, gameplay, accessibility, sound, and build crafting is the best it’s ever been. Season of the seraph is one of the best we’ve had since Forsaken imo. It’s an essential step towards challenging content.
Honestly, I just think it’s been 5 years. Who doesn’t get bored with a game after 5 years? I just beat Dead Space for a second time and am officially bored. $89 for 20 hours…
I wouldn't say made it worst per say, witch queen is the reason why I'm excited for lightfall. The dlc itself (what people are going to get when they buy the dlc) is very good. Most of the bad decisions where done after the dlc releases.
WQ wasn’t good. What you mean to say is the campaign was good. That’s it.
@@JDxxxxxxthats the expansion. Seasonal stuff isnt included. The year overall could have been better, but witch queen was dope
@@matthies1775 no it's not. Seasons are an inherent part of expansions nowadays.
This was a hot take for sure.
After playing Lightfall, LF felt like a polished version of Shadowkeep. A lot of potential /narrative in story not revealed or projecting clearly to me. Compared to Witch Queen which was rising action.
Lightfall felt like a rush to The Final Shape with no explanation of the said “Mcguffin” does
theres a lot of mistakes in this video
They aren't the same bungie that gave us the SBMM of Halo..