"So I fight for a Father who I never loved, against a brother that I did. I defend an empire that never wanted me against an army that would have taken me in a heartbeat." - Jagathai Khan
@@SoulRuninFree The khan had what a lot of primarchs don't, humility. He was just a man, thrust into a game he never truly cared for, why? Because it is the right thing to do, so he will do it.
@@Fourtytwo4242 again another reason why I love him and his legion. Only thing is he has the same problem as his legion absolutely 💯 great 👍 lore however there’s not a whole bunch of it at least compared to the other primarchs and legions.
And could you ask him to reconsider? He knew that the dark side would be tempting. That it could call to him. He may even know, in his heart, that humanity, if it continues down this path, will be corrupted to the point of ruination. He knew this, and yet, he looked over at the tsunami of thunder, approaching, in the form of chaos. He saw the innocent lives about to be slaughtered. And despite his enemy being someone he loved, he knew he couldn't let that stand. Right or wrong, he protected his people. That is all he could do.
@@Dingus_Khaandidn't he mock Mortarion for falling into chaos ( to save his legion) and being second banana to Typhus or is it a Musashi Miyamoto ploy (piss off opponent to make themselves be reckless and open)?
I mean they've just crumbled to the freaks and made female Custodes and literally blocked everyone and everything, then they scurried to change the book quotes on the wiki lol
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 spiderman goes on vacation, comes back to a dead aunt, three kids that might not be his, and a broken back courtesy of running out of webs
Seeing spiderman discourse in a 40k comment section is awesome😭 i agree tho fr modern spiderman stories just feel like they hate spiderman @lowkeyarki7091
@WojtekPordzik-zr2vtYou'd be surprised. Compared to the rest of his brothers, he's not much of a discussion subject. He was always just...There. Sure, many heard his name and are familiar with the absolute Phosphex Roast he laid on Fulgrim, but that's about it. Videos like this one help to bring some light onto who the Khan really is, which is a realistic and humble leader.
@@generik7414how was magnus fall to chaos anything but the worst thing that happened to humanity? His butt on the throne would mean the emperor could take care of the traitors before Moloch's boost to horus
@leandrocastello309 I firmly believe the negative impetus of it. The empire of man in 40k was born in a moment of traitorous barbarian with the slaughter of the thunder warriors. If something like an act of murder can spawn a strong demon, what do you think an act of that significance did? Putting your proverbial son on the torture chair so you can min max your civ 5 save file carries probably just as heavy a weight., and for all his talk about magnus not getting involved in the warp because he doesn't know what he's doing and then supposedly planning to place him on the throne? Absolutely silly.
@@antonkonko5232 yeah but that’s like saying the pain the Emperor endures on the throne should be pumping out demons. The warp in 40k isn’t a 1/1 give. I think the act of murder you’re referring to is in “The Master of Mankind” if so it had symbolic significance around it. It was supposed to be the first act of murder humanity ever committed. Billions and billions of lives could and have been sacrificed since then and there’s not a lot of demons running around that come anywhere close to Drachn’nyen
Just a drop in an ocean for why Magnus and Jaghattai are my favorite primarchs. Magnus did many things wrong, but so did the other primarchs, atleast magnus always tried to do the right thing before his fall, unfortunately him trying to do the right thing and his niavity made him easy prey for manipulation.
Not everything He took shortcuts and easy deals, dealt with powers he was told to stay away from He didn’t ‘always try to do the right thing’, he tried to control the future in a way he saw fit even if he wanted better, but he burned plenty in his attempt to gain that control
If it were possible, I know Khan would do anything to restore Magnus and his legion. Even if it meant warring with Tzeentch himself. Because that's the kind of loving, caring, compassionate brother the Khan is.
It would be a cruel twist of fate if the Khan saved magnus and the thousand sons only for him and his legion to fall to tzeentch. On a second thought, this would be something that tzeentch loves
@@KarpetBurnisn’t that because he was always very fond of Magnus and one of his biggest supporters for the Libarius project. He likely had some sort of guilt or regret for not being able to be at the council of Nikaea so when he comes across the fragment of his friend he offers to do what is necessary to save it, even if that means killing him to free the fragment of its pains.
@@draketurtle4169 The Khan is a warmonger, but he has values. He is a very traditional warrior and being offered to die with honor and dignity by his blade is a pretty big deal. I love that he offers that to Magnus after he realizes there's no coming back from the chaos taint that embodies Magnus. I also love how Magnus, unlike the other Daemon Primarchs, is still mostly intact mentally. He's not warped by Tzeentch or anything, he understands exactly what he's done and what has become of him, and graciously accepts the Khan's offer to put him at rest.
@@KarpetBurn Khan also very much respects the Guard and the civilians. When he showed up to his army after being found the first thing he made them do is always evacuate anyone you can before the fight. There is no point in letting them die so someone sees your battle and honors you with tale and story. Let your actions and your dignity be the bearing of how great a man you are, not the number of tales told about you. Which is why IN CANON the White Scars tend to be forgotten about as they don't boast or brag, they don't share their stories freely and shout them everywhere they go. They show up, they do the job, they move on. They are the laughing killers, they are clearly enjoying their work and are doing absolutely heroic deeds. They do not boast about any of it however. Not with outsiders.
Jaghatai Khan: You were always a brother. Never an enemy. I always liked that despite the extremity of the conflict, some Primarchs on both sides still liked each other because they never had any grievances. Perturabo hugely respected Vulkan and Ferrus Manus, Jaghatai felt sympathy for Magnus and lamented Mortarion's dumb choices, even Konrad Curze respected Corvux Corax.
GW should just put Dan Abnett and Graham McNeill in charge of the lore. Call ‘em ‘The Lost Primarchs’, and give them ultimate authority to approve or veto all major plot points and retcons.
@@samaritan_sys I would agree accept they've got their own issues. The Gaunt's Ghost books started getting really bad after, I think it was the fourth omnibus?, that he made. Graham has his own hang-ups when it comes to specific factions. He's almost an anti-Matt Ward when it comes to the Imperium. He hates them.
wouldnt have worked. The Tsons wouldnt have allowed it. Thats why magnus sabotaged the defenses of prospero. He knew his sons would fight and die to protect him even if he told them not to.
@@raptorxrise5386 That's assuming that the Khan would have touched down on Prospero with a full military cadre, scorching the earth under his direction as it moved from its initial drop location towards Magnus' position at Tizca. It wouldn't be shocking if the Khan kept the whole of the Emperor's host anchored in high orbit while he and a small honor guard touched down a few kilometers from Prospero's capital, announcing his arrival to the city's administrators and to the Thousand Sons' chapter network with request for passage, and very openly and diplomatically approaching the city's entrance on foot - all of this with Jagatai acting the part of brother, comrade, and supporter to convince Magnus to come with him and willingly return to Terra.
@@bigollameo I dont think you understand what i meant. magnus would have gone willingly. But the Tsons wouldnt have allowed it. They would have fought one way or another. Thats why magnus sabotaged the defences of prospero, to make sure that the wolves could take the planet with as little bloddshed as possible. The Tsons needed to be forced. The only way to avoid it would have been for magnus to lie to teh thousand sons about what was happening or sneak away without them noticing. And considering the amount of psykers with divination powers in the tsons that would have been very difficult
"How to restore you." Is such a heartbreaking line. I dont read the novels but I'm glad these shorts give me the little bits of moments in these novels.
This is why Khan is one of my favorite loyalist primarchs. If only we can get more of him and the White Scars rather than rewriting what we already have.
His awakened Primarch power is entering the speed force. He’s been going so fast no one sees him and he’s been keeping the Imperium afloat but no one sees what he does.
"Brother the emperor, our father deemed that knowledge forbidden, I have no answers I am able to give.... But I know where you can learn such skills, seek the harlequins, for if you can out dance them, you may indeed be worthy of their moves"
@@terminator9489 "God emperor guide your path, the salamanders will surely lend you the aid of their relic wood-fire pizza oven, i will refuel your ship and send you off at once!"
I’m gonna be honest, I entirely forgot Magnus was shattered. Does that mean that the one leading the Thousand Sons is just a piece of him? Like the Deceiver shard with his own Necron army?
Close, it's more like a mostly finished jigsaw puzzle of magnus. The one leading the thousand sons is for the most part, fairly intact, but the pieces like his kindness, love, hope and determination have broken from the whole of the puzzle. So he's an incomplete man who literally had his kindest aspects ripped from their soul.
The red king, is the I guess you can say primary shard of magnus that leads the thousand sons. I am tempted to say a majority of magnus has been subsumed by the red king but there are shards that were destroyed or like the one that was used in crafting the first grey knight chapter master unavailable. The only reason magnus was at the siege of Terra was so he could reclaim a few shards.
@@bognog0469 well it would probably depend if tzeethc has control over those shards of him. If not then it would be interesting to see what would happen when a half corrupted and not corrupted Magnus duking it out for control.
To be fair, I think ALL the Daemon Primarchs are shattered to some extent. Daemonhood doesn't just make you, the person, a Daemon, it hollows out everything inside you and fills it with an aspect of Chaos instead. Once they ascend, they literally are not the same person, they have all the same memories and such, but they are locked into the same fallacies as Daemon's themselves. The only one I don't see having any fragments knocking around at the moment is Horus, because the Emperor intentionally obliterated them (though it is hinted they may eventually reform) while Horus was still whole, though deeply corrupted. Even when a Primarch dies, it seems more like the essence that makes them a Primarch returns to the Warp and becomes something else. I kind of think the Shard's themselves for various Traitor Primarch's containing their more positive aspects were all cast off somewhere, and the rest was likely consumed by Chaos.
It is a recurring theme in 40k that those with the capacity to be best are laid low, corrupted, killed, waylaid, deceived. No place for a hero. Everything about Mangus leaves me feeling hollow, and it also feels like huge low point for the Space Wolves too.
It’s also a kind of unusual hope and when things do go well, it shines brighter from the darkness around it. The noble sacrifices might not remove Angron forever but they slow him for an age. Cadia is gone yet Bobby with primaris and the Lion with the Fallen are back.
Maggy might one day be redeemed. The theme of unrestrained knowledge and desperate hubris are constant TS themes but so is their oddly normal level of humanity amongst chaos marines.
Magnus' fall truly is the most tragic. He never wanted this. Many (I choose to believe most) fragments of him still don't. He's aware of what chaos has done to him and how dangerous he is, but when assembled, is powerless to do anything about it.
@@QuayNemSorr100%. Perturabo spent most of his early life treated as a tool, and he generally is bereft of any positive emotions as a result. What's the real difference between the Lord of Iron and the Praetorian? One knew right from wrong and the other never felt the question was relevant to begin with.
I love these moments of humanity, tragedy and beauty. So much of 40k can just be drivel. Yes the lore is there to sell the plastic. Just sometimes wish there was a little more.
I love how Magnus is calling the Chaos Gods awful and everyone is unanimously agreeing that it’s the GW writers. When is GW gonna start using an 8 pointed star as their logo lol, turns out they’ve been a not-so-secret chaos cult this whole time
The Khan turned out to be one of my favourite characters in the full series. The scars were a legion/chapter I cared little for and The Khan a primarch I knew nothing about. Chris Wright certainly helped me learn then fall in love with both
Dangit every single time I hear about the Khan he’s so much cooler and I enjoy his character more! Why do people hide him behind the memes and not talk about him more!
- "Rylanor, how does it feel to be the biggest gigachad in 40k." - "No child, there is one who even I must bow to in the realm of Chadlyness." - (Rylanor looks wistfully at picture of the Khan).
I used to think that mortarion would be the first traitor primarch to be redeemed because of how he was forced into his rule under nurgle and has a general distain for it but to be honest here it seems like it might be Magnus considering how he was also one of the most important figures in the Horus heresy as he destroyed the web way project and was manipulated by tzeench itd be amazing if he got his justice and finally lead his own life instead of being oppressed.
Mags also really, really didn’t want to turn traitor and like Morty, seeing little alternative to save his boys from his own mistakes, gave into the schemes. I still don’t see how Mortarion didn’t notice about Typhus but oh well, it’s 40k.
He had the chance to Redeem himself in the Horus Heresy, but it meant the Thousand Sons would all have to culled and he would take over the Grey Knights, he refused.
@@domvastaI don't recall Magnus ever getting that choice, and considering his actions during the heresy in sabotaging the defense of his own planet in order to sacrifice the Ksons, I'm pretty sure he would have taken it.
I think a magnus redemption story at the cost of maybe re losing the kahn would be epic but then magnus’ further redeption would be to hunt down all the lost primarchs. This would be epic due to his warp abilities
Hot take here but I think the most appropriate redemption for magnus is to power the golden throne freeing big E to either be reborn of finally rest in peace
@alexburns43 if magnus was returned to the light and was able to power the throne/astronomicon, it would give big E the ability to die and be reborn, as an even more powerful warp entity, the ultimate weapon to combat chaos
I got asked why my favorite primarch is Jaghatai. Even though he's practically a demigod, he still has compassion. He defied his father's order to preserve his planet's way of life. He's quick with his wit and his sword. The only primarchs that has compassion like that is vulkan
For real though, if Horus got around meeting Khan and serving him the lie that Russ just went berserker while under the orders of simply capturing Magnus and instead burned Prospero to the ground and almost killed him, the Khan would have burned Fenris to the ground if Horus was convincing enough.
@Keram-io8hv what not to believe? Magnus made a mistake and the Emperor ordered his capture. Russ, though, went way over the goal of imprisoning Magnus and razed Prospero out of his personal grievances with Magnus. Sounds perfectly logical to me and the Khan may very well have acted to avenge Magnus, just think at how pissed his legion was over the whole thing, a good chunk of them organised a mutiny!
@anirecapped.also we shouldn’t forget that Prosoero burned because Magnus didn’t really have any intentions of actually fighting tooth and nail to protect it, infact he did many things that doomed it and set its fate in place.
@anirecapped. Russ sent a Space Wolf to pretend to be a friend to Ahzek Ahriman just so they could gather "evidence" for a witch trial to have them censured and possibly killed. Horus lied, yes, but Russ WANTED what that lie offered him and his legion wasted no time doing to Prospero what Guilliman did to Monarchia while actually enjoying it.
So... Magnus truly is lost. My hope has been crushed. But If it's the truth, I can't change it. May the soil be light upon you, Primarch of the 15th Legion.
For those that do not understand why the Khan has a Russian accent for a Mongolian archetype, Monglia was a border state for the Soviet Union longer than it has been a satellite state for China's CCP.
I didn't knew about that. That his beautiful, I always thought that Magnus wasn't appreciated among the primarchs. It's beautiful to see that at least one of his brothers cared for him. And the Khan... Always being the coolest guy in this lore, always. Wise, Powerful, Honnorable, Noble. Very inspiring.
I feel like that's what we really need in 40k, a bit of redemption. It would be interesting after nearly HALF A CENTURY of 40k being around to start seeing humanity get it together.
What I love about the Khan is that he always does the unthinkable. His actions always surprises his brothers, loyal and traitor alike. Even the Emperor cannot predict what the Khagan will do next.
Nothing hurts more in life, than seeing someone you love dearly as a brother, fall so far from the highest highs we saw them as and for their future. A very human thing to fight against. I do not know the Khan well... But his heart is clearly worthy of his status.
Magnus is probably the most tragic character in 40k. Sure he was arrogant and rash in his judgement pre heresy and all that, but the dude grew up on Prospero (Imagine a Sandals resort if it was the entire planet, and everyone on the planet used magic), and he was easily the second most powerful psyker in the entire galaxy right behind his father. But even with that arrogance he's never been outright evil or vitriolic. He cares deeply for his sons who share his passion for archaeology and history, dedicating their homeworld to the preservation of as much knowledge as they can possibly obtain during their crusade. Then the heresy begins, and... well you know the rest. Magnus panicked and tried to warn his father telepathically, accidentally ripping a hole in his top secret webway project, being absolutely wrought with grief from this, he sealed himself and his planet away from imperial contact, which didn't help when Leman was sent to kill Magnus as ordered by (now corrupted) Horus, his sons and their libraries were torched by the Wolves and Custodes, he was spiritually shattered by Leman, sent deep into the warp and lost all of his positive traits in the shattering. Now a broken, weakened shell of his former proud self, he is quite soberly aware of his situation. I'd probably wish for death at that point too. From a brother who still respects you even after the corruption is a wonderful way to go from Magnus' perspective.
Magnus did many things wrong, but he tried to be a good person up to the very end, and now his fate is entirely out of his hands, if it was ever in his hands to begin with.
I don't know much about the Khan but I feel he and Vulcan would get along well, every time I see a Khan story he seems like a honorable and caring primarch
Wow, yeah I remember reading this, but wow now that you explain it back, it hits hard. Like at that moment I didn't finished the whole heresy and the Siege, and it hits different now.
Magnus was so powerful. He ripped open the vail and saw into a realm. A realm that no mortal or even a God should not see. A realm that all their lives were dictated and written. A realm that already set his father's fate and those of his brothers. And also his own fate. Magnus did not like it.
This part of the book is really amazing, how Magnus helps the Khan scape Prospero. If you guys want to fall in love with the white scars i would recommend to read this book. Theres really no dull momment throughout the whole story.
People always be talking shit on Magnus, but let's think about it for a second. Magnus was in constant psychic contact with the emperor his entire life. He was trained to be a psycher by the emperor himself, then given an entire Legion of fellow psycher space Marines, who he took to prospero and built a massive city dedicated to study, so they could be the best they could be at their role in the Imperium. Then, after years and years of this status quo, the Imperium switches up, declaring psychers a threat, and outlawing 90% of psycher activities and abilities without further explanation, despite Big E being the literal epitome of psychic power. Magnus, the second most powerful psycher at the time, had spent his entire life dedicated to the craft and his father, only to be ordered to cease and desist with no explanation from the one person he would listen to, and would actually be able to effectively explain the threats of the warp and chaos gods. The emperor didn't throw him a single bone, even once. He said "Fuck you and your Legion. Sit on your hands for all I care." Then fucked off to work on his webway project that he refused to tell *ANYONE ABOUT*. So Magnus, not wanting to give up everything he'd worked for, and dedicated wholly to the Emperor, decides he's going to prove himself and his Legion to be one of the Imperium's greatest assets and spends Emperor knows how long studying the warp and all it could reveal to him. He learns Horus has turned Traitor, tries to connect psychically with Big E, can't initially, tries again, ruining the webway by no real fault of his own, and when he *finally* gets to warn the Emperor, instead of listening, he demands Magnus be arrested and brought to Tera. And the real kicker? He didn't even get that courtesy of explaining himself. Because Leman Russ, being the fucking *Genius* he is, looks at Horus, the guy Magnus just got done explaining was going to turn Traitor and throw a coup, and says, "huh. Weird thing magnus was on about. Hey horus, think I should kill him and burn his home city to the ground with all its inhabitants? Civilians included?" To which horus obviously readily spurs him on, saying Magnus is completely lost and tainted and should be put down instead of facing the Emperor's justice. Sure, Magnus fucked up, and plenty, but he doesn't deserve near as much flak as people throw his way. He did what he could with the situation he was put in, and literally everybody collectively said "fuck this dude in particular" as their response. Before his total fall to chaos, he was literally doing 1 of 2 things. Defending himself or walking blind through a hellscape looking for answers that would benefit his father's empire. Everything after is just him giving the empire their just desserts, and I can't blame him. Everybody fucked him, then blamed him for being upset about it.
"I have seen the authors, and they are terrible." Look, I'll give you John French and sometimes C.S. Goto, but you respect Dan Abnett and Sandy Mitchell.
I always felt that Magnus was corrupted not when he departed from Prospero, but when he saved the Thousand sons, giving one of his eye, because it symbollically mean the myopia he would suffer for the rest of his life.
"So I fight for a Father who I never loved, against a brother that I did. I defend an empire that never wanted me against an army that would have taken me in a heartbeat."
- Jagathai Khan
And this is why I love the khan
@@SoulRuninFree The khan had what a lot of primarchs don't, humility. He was just a man, thrust into a game he never truly cared for, why? Because it is the right thing to do, so he will do it.
@@Fourtytwo4242 again another reason why I love him and his legion. Only thing is he has the same problem as his legion absolutely 💯 great 👍 lore however there’s not a whole bunch of it at least compared to the other primarchs and legions.
And could you ask him to reconsider? He knew that the dark side would be tempting. That it could call to him. He may even know, in his heart, that humanity, if it continues down this path, will be corrupted to the point of ruination. He knew this, and yet, he looked over at the tsunami of thunder, approaching, in the form of chaos. He saw the innocent lives about to be slaughtered. And despite his enemy being someone he loved, he knew he couldn't let that stand. Right or wrong, he protected his people. That is all he could do.
BARSSSS
“As if he expected mockery” Well it *is* the Khan. He’s been known to roast a traitor or two
It's also Magnus, who's known for getting kicked while he's down. I don't blame him for expecting it really.
"I hear you do strange things to your warriors."
The Khan only brings out the burns when faced with arrogance. This shard of Magnus was already humbled beyond belief.
@@Dingus_Khaandidn't he mock Mortarion for falling into chaos ( to save his legion) and being second banana to Typhus or is it a Musashi Miyamoto ploy (piss off opponent to make themselves be reckless and open)?
“And he started to dance”
Magus really said "the people that write the 40K lore are terrible at their job."
I started a war, if your going to join it get a hammer.
Is he wrong though?
I mean they've just crumbled to the freaks and made female Custodes and literally blocked everyone and everything, then they scurried to change the book quotes on the wiki lol
@@charlottewolery558 no, he is very right. "ThERE hAS ALwaYs bEen feMAle CusTODies."
@@ChucktheSpicyChicken lol
@@ChucktheSpicyChickenbut there has been
"Believe me, Í have seen the authors and they are terrible".
Relatable, in more ways than one. 😢
pretty much
So true
You serious? 40k lore is truly at least top three when it comes to writing.
@@philosotree5876 I was not talking about WH40K writing...
(And, Í believe, Magnus was NOT making a "metacriticism")
@@philosotree5876 In scale certainly, in cohesiveness and structure? Nah sunshine
Magnus: I've seen the authors of our fates... and they're fucking assholes
Not as much as spiderman writers
@@argumentumadhominem3977well I can't argue with that the dude needs some vacation then again the writers will find a way to screw him over
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 spiderman goes on vacation, comes back to a dead aunt, three kids that might not be his, and a broken back courtesy of running out of webs
@@lowkeyarki7091 Luckily i was never a comic reader until some folks mention it... damm i should have never look into it
Seeing spiderman discourse in a 40k comment section is awesome😭 i agree tho fr modern spiderman stories just feel like they hate spiderman @lowkeyarki7091
This is why the Khan is underrated. Not that he's the best but he is definitely great.
@WojtekPordzik-zr2vtYou'd be surprised. Compared to the rest of his brothers, he's not much of a discussion subject. He was always just...There. Sure, many heard his name and are familiar with the absolute Phosphex Roast he laid on Fulgrim, but that's about it. Videos like this one help to bring some light onto who the Khan really is, which is a realistic and humble leader.
THATS CAUSE ROBOT GIRLYMAN IS THE BEST OH YEAGHHHH
@WojtekPordzik-zr2vtThat's fair, I was gonna argue but old Morty did get shafted hard.
They're all great in their own ways imo.
@WojtekPordzik-zr2vtHe beat Chaos Mortarion tho.
“You know what you have to do if you want to save me. Kill me brother.”
Magnus was completely correct too. For both himself and Angron, it's arguable their fall to chaos was the least bad path for humanity.
If he had it in him to know what he was, he had it in him to fight his way back to good.
@@generik7414how was magnus fall to chaos anything but the worst thing that happened to humanity? His butt on the throne would mean the emperor could take care of the traitors before Moloch's boost to horus
@leandrocastello309 I firmly believe the negative impetus of it. The empire of man in 40k was born in a moment of traitorous barbarian with the slaughter of the thunder warriors. If something like an act of murder can spawn a strong demon, what do you think an act of that significance did? Putting your proverbial son on the torture chair so you can min max your civ 5 save file carries probably just as heavy a weight., and for all his talk about magnus not getting involved in the warp because he doesn't know what he's doing and then supposedly planning to place him on the throne? Absolutely silly.
@@antonkonko5232 yeah but that’s like saying the pain the Emperor endures on the throne should be pumping out demons. The warp in 40k isn’t a 1/1 give. I think the act of murder you’re referring to is in “The Master of Mankind” if so it had symbolic significance around it. It was supposed to be the first act of murder humanity ever committed. Billions and billions of lives could and have been sacrificed since then and there’s not a lot of demons running around that come anywhere close to Drachn’nyen
Just a drop in an ocean for why Magnus and Jaghattai are my favorite primarchs. Magnus did many things wrong, but so did the other primarchs, atleast magnus always tried to do the right thing before his fall, unfortunately him trying to do the right thing and his niavity made him easy prey for manipulation.
Not to mention his sons Magnus did everything wrong but please give him and the thousand sons a break.
the pathway in hell is Often Paved with good deeds.
@@undercovertakodachi4301 Magnus is literally that saying personified
Not everything
He took shortcuts and easy deals, dealt with powers he was told to stay away from
He didn’t ‘always try to do the right thing’, he tried to control the future in a way he saw fit even if he wanted better, but he burned plenty in his attempt to gain that control
@@PJOZeusin all fairness he was told very little to nothing about the chaos gods
If it were possible, I know Khan would do anything to restore Magnus and his legion. Even if it meant warring with Tzeentch himself. Because that's the kind of loving, caring, compassionate brother the Khan is.
Jagatia is a criminally underrated Primarch
I mean... he went into the maelstrom and is missing... he may just be doing that.
@@callumrichards7347 He went into the Webway to be fair but he might be doing something like that.
It would be a cruel twist of fate if the Khan saved magnus and the thousand sons only for him and his legion to fall to tzeentch. On a second thought, this would be something that tzeentch loves
@@jayadevs281 But if that would happen , magnus could potentionaly bring back the Emperor by siting on the throne and leting the Big E heal.
How to make a traitor pause "how do i restore you"
Coming from Jaghatai of all people. Shows how much he respected Magnus as a brother. Didn't give the same courtesy to Mortarion that's for sure 😅
@@KarpetBurnisn’t that because he was always very fond of Magnus and one of his biggest supporters for the Libarius project.
He likely had some sort of guilt or regret for not being able to be at the council of Nikaea so when he comes across the fragment of his friend he offers to do what is necessary to save it, even if that means killing him to free the fragment of its pains.
@@draketurtle4169 The Khan is a warmonger, but he has values. He is a very traditional warrior and being offered to die with honor and dignity by his blade is a pretty big deal. I love that he offers that to Magnus after he realizes there's no coming back from the chaos taint that embodies Magnus. I also love how Magnus, unlike the other Daemon Primarchs, is still mostly intact mentally. He's not warped by Tzeentch or anything, he understands exactly what he's done and what has become of him, and graciously accepts the Khan's offer to put him at rest.
@@KarpetBurn That's because Mortarion is an asshole, smells like one too.
@@KarpetBurn Khan also very much respects the Guard and the civilians. When he showed up to his army after being found the first thing he made them do is always evacuate anyone you can before the fight. There is no point in letting them die so someone sees your battle and honors you with tale and story. Let your actions and your dignity be the bearing of how great a man you are, not the number of tales told about you. Which is why IN CANON the White Scars tend to be forgotten about as they don't boast or brag, they don't share their stories freely and shout them everywhere they go. They show up, they do the job, they move on. They are the laughing killers, they are clearly enjoying their work and are doing absolutely heroic deeds. They do not boast about any of it however. Not with outsiders.
Jaghatai Khan: You were always a brother. Never an enemy.
I always liked that despite the extremity of the conflict, some Primarchs on both sides still liked each other because they never had any grievances. Perturabo hugely respected Vulkan and Ferrus Manus, Jaghatai felt sympathy for Magnus and lamented Mortarion's dumb choices, even Konrad Curze respected Corvux Corax.
Curze to Corax: “unlike the others, always liked you, my emo brother”
Corax: “ew”
@@gideonmele1556ah an emo boy and a schizophrenic, name a more dynamic duo
Jeghatai LOVED Magnus.
Is that a god damn Asura's Wrath reference?! Never thought I'd see that day.
@@shadowrobot7708
Admit it. You wanna see Big-E growing 4 golden arms to choke all four Chaos Gods all at once!
Magnus straight up mocked GW writers lmao
GW should just put Dan Abnett and Graham McNeill in charge of the lore. Call ‘em ‘The Lost Primarchs’, and give them ultimate authority to approve or veto all major plot points and retcons.
@@samaritan_sys That would be nice.
@@samaritan_sys I would agree accept they've got their own issues. The Gaunt's Ghost books started getting really bad after, I think it was the fourth omnibus?, that he made.
Graham has his own hang-ups when it comes to specific factions. He's almost an anti-Matt Ward when it comes to the Imperium. He hates them.
The Emperor should have sent Khan to retrieve Magnus
wouldnt have worked. The Tsons wouldnt have allowed it. Thats why magnus sabotaged the defenses of prospero. He knew his sons would fight and die to protect him even if he told them not to.
The Emperor doesn't always seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.
@@raptorxrise5386 That's assuming that the Khan would have touched down on Prospero with a full military cadre, scorching the earth under his direction as it moved from its initial drop location towards Magnus' position at Tizca.
It wouldn't be shocking if the Khan kept the whole of the Emperor's host anchored in high orbit while he and a small honor guard touched down a few kilometers from Prospero's capital, announcing his arrival to the city's administrators and to the Thousand Sons' chapter network with request for passage, and very openly and diplomatically approaching the city's entrance on foot - all of this with Jagatai acting the part of brother, comrade, and supporter to convince Magnus to come with him and willingly return to Terra.
@@bigollameo I dont think you understand what i meant. magnus would have gone willingly. But the Tsons wouldnt have allowed it. They would have fought one way or another. Thats why magnus sabotaged the defences of prospero, to make sure that the wolves could take the planet with as little bloddshed as possible. The Tsons needed to be forced. The only way to avoid it would have been for magnus to lie to teh thousand sons about what was happening or sneak away without them noticing. And considering the amount of psykers with divination powers in the tsons that would have been very difficult
@raptorxrise5386 cause Russ assaulted the planet lol Khan wouldn't have been so stupid.
Man, magnus and thousand sons don't deserve this 😢
and that's why they are my favourite. 🥲
There are Lamentars levels of depression going on
@@efestohorus2053
They could get along well, indeed.
Dismissed as a savage by most
Shows he was the noblest of all amongst those he loved
"How to restore you." Is such a heartbreaking line. I dont read the novels but I'm glad these shorts give me the little bits of moments in these novels.
Man i just watched the episode with "Isysander and Koda" about Magnus, this is so sad.
Omg same
Magnus really broke the fourth wall on that line.
lol Magnus saw a sea of incels
*canon event*
'Until we meet under starlight.' I like that.
This is why Khan is one of my favorite loyalist primarchs. If only we can get more of him and the White Scars rather than rewriting what we already have.
Plot Twist- the Khan has been alive and kicking this whole time, but everyone STILL keeps forgetting him
The Khan *is* alive. He just retired to comorragh and has been living there with his Dark Eldar Harem for the past 10,000 years.
His awakened Primarch power is entering the speed force. He’s been going so fast no one sees him and he’s been keeping the Imperium afloat but no one sees what he does.
"What is the knowledge you desire jaghatai?"
"Tell me how to juju on that beat"
"Brother the emperor, our father deemed that knowledge forbidden, I have no answers I am able to give....
But I know where you can learn such skills, seek the harlequins, for if you can out dance them, you may indeed be worthy of their moves"
@@mrfrost6211 "thank you for such an answer brother but i have another quest of mine, trying to out pizza the hut"
@@terminator9489 "God emperor guide your path, the salamanders will surely lend you the aid of their relic wood-fire pizza oven, i will refuel your ship and send you off at once!"
Pretty easy to out pizza the hut these days lol
"I have witnessed the authors and they are terrible." Yes Magnus we know especially the stunt pulled by GW
Two of my most favourite characters in warhammer
I’m gonna be honest, I entirely forgot Magnus was shattered. Does that mean that the one leading the Thousand Sons is just a piece of him? Like the Deceiver shard with his own Necron army?
Close, it's more like a mostly finished jigsaw puzzle of magnus. The one leading the thousand sons is for the most part, fairly intact, but the pieces like his kindness, love, hope and determination have broken from the whole of the puzzle. So he's an incomplete man who literally had his kindest aspects ripped from their soul.
The red king, is the I guess you can say primary shard of magnus that leads the thousand sons. I am tempted to say a majority of magnus has been subsumed by the red king but there are shards that were destroyed or like the one that was used in crafting the first grey knight chapter master unavailable. The only reason magnus was at the siege of Terra was so he could reclaim a few shards.
@@evilsclone2499 makes me wonder what would happen if you could gather those and reslot them into him
@@bognog0469 well it would probably depend if tzeethc has control over those shards of him. If not then it would be interesting to see what would happen when a half corrupted and not corrupted Magnus duking it out for control.
To be fair, I think ALL the Daemon Primarchs are shattered to some extent. Daemonhood doesn't just make you, the person, a Daemon, it hollows out everything inside you and fills it with an aspect of Chaos instead. Once they ascend, they literally are not the same person, they have all the same memories and such, but they are locked into the same fallacies as Daemon's themselves.
The only one I don't see having any fragments knocking around at the moment is Horus, because the Emperor intentionally obliterated them (though it is hinted they may eventually reform) while Horus was still whole, though deeply corrupted.
Even when a Primarch dies, it seems more like the essence that makes them a Primarch returns to the Warp and becomes something else. I kind of think the Shard's themselves for various Traitor Primarch's containing their more positive aspects were all cast off somewhere, and the rest was likely consumed by Chaos.
It is a recurring theme in 40k that those with the capacity to be best are laid low, corrupted, killed, waylaid, deceived. No place for a hero.
Everything about Mangus leaves me feeling hollow, and it also feels like huge low point for the Space Wolves too.
It’s also a kind of unusual hope and when things do go well, it shines brighter from the darkness around it. The noble sacrifices might not remove Angron forever but they slow him for an age. Cadia is gone yet Bobby with primaris and the Lion with the Fallen are back.
Maggy might one day be redeemed. The theme of unrestrained knowledge and desperate hubris are constant TS themes but so is their oddly normal level of humanity amongst chaos marines.
@gideonmele1556 redeem Magnus and have Russ fall. Both legions have a sort of flesh curse after all. And a wolfen demon-primarch Russ would be cool
This makes me depressed for the future of Gulliman.
Magnus' fall truly is the most tragic. He never wanted this. Many (I choose to believe most) fragments of him still don't. He's aware of what chaos has done to him and how dangerous he is, but when assembled, is powerless to do anything about it.
Chadatai Khan is the most underrated Primarch. Man was one of the most human Primarchs in a good way (unlike Petty Turbo)
Perty was actually very human. Perhaps just not as humane.
@@QuayNemSorr100%. Perturabo spent most of his early life treated as a tool, and he generally is bereft of any positive emotions as a result. What's the real difference between the Lord of Iron and the Praetorian? One knew right from wrong and the other never felt the question was relevant to begin with.
@@blue-pi2ktin that aspect he and Guilliman are quite similar
I love these moments of humanity, tragedy and beauty. So much of 40k can just be drivel. Yes the lore is there to sell the plastic. Just sometimes wish there was a little more.
I love how Magnus is calling the Chaos Gods awful and everyone is unanimously agreeing that it’s the GW writers. When is GW gonna start using an 8 pointed star as their logo lol, turns out they’ve been a not-so-secret chaos cult this whole time
The Khan turned out to be one of my favourite characters in the full series.
The scars were a legion/chapter I cared little for and The Khan a primarch I knew nothing about.
Chris Wright certainly helped me learn then fall in love with both
Further proof that Rowboat and Jaghatai are the best because they are simply
Good people who have common sense and morals
Yeah this two have common sense
“I have witnessed the authors and they’re terrible” Magnus foretold the creation of modern John Grammaticus and Ol Person
The Amber King make this conversation so heart breaking.
If any could restore Magnus is the Khan
Dangit every single time I hear about the Khan he’s so much cooler and I enjoy his character more!
Why do people hide him behind the memes and not talk about him more!
- "Rylanor, how does it feel to be the biggest gigachad in 40k."
- "No child, there is one who even I must bow to in the realm of Chadlyness."
- (Rylanor looks wistfully at picture of the Khan).
I used to think that mortarion would be the first traitor primarch to be redeemed because of how he was forced into his rule under nurgle and has a general distain for it but to be honest here it seems like it might be Magnus considering how he was also one of the most important figures in the Horus heresy as he destroyed the web way project and was manipulated by tzeench itd be amazing if he got his justice and finally lead his own life instead of being oppressed.
Mags also really, really didn’t want to turn traitor and like Morty, seeing little alternative to save his boys from his own mistakes, gave into the schemes.
I still don’t see how Mortarion didn’t notice about Typhus but oh well, it’s 40k.
He had the chance to Redeem himself in the Horus Heresy, but it meant the Thousand Sons would all have to culled and he would take over the Grey Knights, he refused.
@@domvasta wait excuse me when was this where can I read about it
@@domvastaI don't recall Magnus ever getting that choice, and considering his actions during the heresy in sabotaging the defense of his own planet in order to sacrifice the Ksons, I'm pretty sure he would have taken it.
You already restored me... for a Moment
I feel khan was one of only a few primarchs who treated his brothers like brothers
The khan is probably my favorite Primarch. He is logical, extremely duty bound, fearless, precise and loyal to no end.
I wish there were more moments like this with Magnus and Pertarabo
“Were once my friend, but you will always be, my brother.”
I think a magnus redemption story at the cost of maybe re losing the kahn would be epic but then magnus’ further redeption would be to hunt down all the lost primarchs. This would be epic due to his warp abilities
Hot take here but I think the most appropriate redemption for magnus is to power the golden throne freeing big E to either be reborn of finally rest in peace
@alexburns43 if magnus was returned to the light and was able to power the throne/astronomicon, it would give big E the ability to die and be reborn, as an even more powerful warp entity, the ultimate weapon to combat chaos
Magnus: what is it you want?
Jagathai: To heal your soul.
Magnua: 👁️👄👁️
I got asked why my favorite primarch is Jaghatai. Even though he's practically a demigod, he still has compassion. He defied his father's order to preserve his planet's way of life. He's quick with his wit and his sword. The only primarchs that has compassion like that is vulkan
Khan is the most underrated Primarch for real. He appears very rarely but every time he does its a great moment.
The khan is so God damn based
Further cementing that Magnus's fall is tragic
You are the best in this genre, well done shorts + lore-accurate.
This is the reunion I’m waiting for
Khan being an absolute bro as usual
This event is right up there as one of the best primarch encounters of the entire heresy series.
The khan and the crimson king's relationship has the same vibe but different energy from the phoenician and ferus.
For real though, if Horus got around meeting Khan and serving him the lie that Russ just went berserker while under the orders of simply capturing Magnus and instead burned Prospero to the ground and almost killed him, the Khan would have burned Fenris to the ground if Horus was convincing enough.
Khan? The most sane primarch?
@@Keram-io8hvhe did LEFT Russ to fend for himself to go Prospero to find Magnus and talk to him if he lived so...he might have
@Keram-io8hv what not to believe? Magnus made a mistake and the Emperor ordered his capture. Russ, though, went way over the goal of imprisoning Magnus and razed Prospero out of his personal grievances with Magnus. Sounds perfectly logical to me and the Khan may very well have acted to avenge Magnus, just think at how pissed his legion was over the whole thing, a good chunk of them organised a mutiny!
@anirecapped.also we shouldn’t forget that Prosoero burned because Magnus didn’t really have any intentions of actually fighting tooth and nail to protect it, infact he did many things that doomed it and set its fate in place.
@anirecapped.
Russ sent a Space Wolf to pretend to be a friend to Ahzek Ahriman just so they could gather "evidence" for a witch trial to have them censured and possibly killed.
Horus lied, yes, but Russ WANTED what that lie offered him and his legion wasted no time doing to Prospero what Guilliman did to Monarchia while actually enjoying it.
Yes!!! Lore on my favorite Primarchs! They really don’t get enough love imo
Khan is the epitome of "bros4LYF", i really really hope Magnus will at some point break from Tzeench grasp and become like renegade force.
The khan and Russ would make the best MCs of the Warhammer universe. They both have so much more personality beyond their duty and responsibilities
Such a cool interaction. Guess I'm collecting White Scars now 😊
So... Magnus truly is lost. My hope has been crushed.
But If it's the truth, I can't change it. May the soil be light upon you, Primarch of the 15th Legion.
Im sorry but I can only hear TTS Magnus voice when I see Mangus(or Markus).
There’s a reason these are my two favorite primarchs
For those that do not understand why the Khan has a Russian accent for a Mongolian archetype, Monglia was a border state for the Soviet Union longer than it has been a satellite state for China's CCP.
I would love a chaos primarch redemption
I didn't knew about that. That his beautiful, I always thought that Magnus wasn't appreciated among the primarchs. It's beautiful to see that at least one of his brothers cared for him.
And the Khan... Always being the coolest guy in this lore, always. Wise, Powerful, Honnorable, Noble. Very inspiring.
one of my favourite moments from all WH40k books. 😢
Not going to lie magnut being "Reborn" and returning would be badass
I feel like that's what we really need in 40k, a bit of redemption. It would be interesting after nearly HALF A CENTURY of 40k being around to start seeing humanity get it together.
What I love about the Khan is that he always does the unthinkable. His actions always surprises his brothers, loyal and traitor alike. Even the Emperor cannot predict what the Khagan will do next.
The Khan is just...a fucking based badass.
Sparkly vampires got nothing on this bromance
Magnus implying that GW writers are terribad is kind of a self-own, but still not as much of a self-own as their recent retcon.
The khan is so underrated and Magnus is such a deep character. Both shadows of the Emperor in different ways.
"Wait no don't hit me yet they're gonna end times 40k-"
Nothing hurts more in life, than seeing someone you love dearly as a brother, fall so far from the highest highs we saw them as and for their future. A very human thing to fight against.
I do not know the Khan well... But his heart is clearly worthy of his status.
"You were my friend once..."
"Then remember as such and know me as your enemy."
Magnus is probably the most tragic character in 40k. Sure he was arrogant and rash in his judgement pre heresy and all that, but the dude grew up on Prospero (Imagine a Sandals resort if it was the entire planet, and everyone on the planet used magic), and he was easily the second most powerful psyker in the entire galaxy right behind his father. But even with that arrogance he's never been outright evil or vitriolic. He cares deeply for his sons who share his passion for archaeology and history, dedicating their homeworld to the preservation of as much knowledge as they can possibly obtain during their crusade.
Then the heresy begins, and... well you know the rest. Magnus panicked and tried to warn his father telepathically, accidentally ripping a hole in his top secret webway project, being absolutely wrought with grief from this, he sealed himself and his planet away from imperial contact, which didn't help when Leman was sent to kill Magnus as ordered by (now corrupted) Horus, his sons and their libraries were torched by the Wolves and Custodes, he was spiritually shattered by Leman, sent deep into the warp and lost all of his positive traits in the shattering. Now a broken, weakened shell of his former proud self, he is quite soberly aware of his situation. I'd probably wish for death at that point too. From a brother who still respects you even after the corruption is a wonderful way to go from Magnus' perspective.
This is just one of many things that makes the story of Magnus all the more tragic.
Magnus did many things wrong, but he tried to be a good person up to the very end, and now his fate is entirely out of his hands, if it was ever in his hands to begin with.
The more I learn about kahn the higher he gets on my list of favs
As of right this moment, there are approximately 40,000 likes on this video. FOR THE EMPEROR!
Magnus breaking the 4th wall was not on my bingo card
Wow. That was actually heartbreaking
“I have witnessed the authors and they are terrible” 😂 oh no he saw passed the fourth wall
I don't know much about the Khan but I feel he and Vulcan would get along well, every time I see a Khan story he seems like a honorable and caring primarch
Damn, one of the only brothers that doesn't think of Magnus in an ill light. It's unfortunate that it had to be that way.
Wow, yeah I remember reading this, but wow now that you explain it back, it hits hard.
Like at that moment I didn't finished the whole heresy and the Siege, and it hits different now.
Magnus saw the GW writers for they were terrible
Magnus was so powerful. He ripped open the vail and saw into a realm. A realm that no mortal or even a God should not see. A realm that all their lives were dictated and written. A realm that already set his father's fate and those of his brothers. And also his own fate. Magnus did not like it.
Then.... there's always female.....sister of battle....😂😂😂
@@Spagettipastawut?
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270I think he mean custodes…
@@iamnerose1658 Thanks for clarification, fem custodes was a very horrible idea
I would choose Fem Stormcast than this jokers
Am I the only one that hears magnus hating the irl authors?
This is what makes the White Scars great. They are essentially space bikers but their code of honor is second to none amongst the other legions.
This is why the Kahn is my favorite Primarch. This scene alone.
So in the best interest of the galaxy, Khan gave up his desire to restore his brother?
I really wish Magnus of all Primarchs could be restored and brought back into the fold.
This part of the book is really amazing, how Magnus helps the Khan scape Prospero. If you guys want to fall in love with the white scars i would recommend to read this book. Theres really no dull momment throughout the whole story.
“I’ve witnessed the authors and they are terrible”
If this isn’t the funniest meta joke in the universe, I don’t really know what is
People always be talking shit on Magnus, but let's think about it for a second.
Magnus was in constant psychic contact with the emperor his entire life. He was trained to be a psycher by the emperor himself, then given an entire Legion of fellow psycher space Marines, who he took to prospero and built a massive city dedicated to study, so they could be the best they could be at their role in the Imperium. Then, after years and years of this status quo, the Imperium switches up, declaring psychers a threat, and outlawing 90% of psycher activities and abilities without further explanation, despite Big E being the literal epitome of psychic power.
Magnus, the second most powerful psycher at the time, had spent his entire life dedicated to the craft and his father, only to be ordered to cease and desist with no explanation from the one person he would listen to, and would actually be able to effectively explain the threats of the warp and chaos gods. The emperor didn't throw him a single bone, even once. He said "Fuck you and your Legion. Sit on your hands for all I care." Then fucked off to work on his webway project that he refused to tell *ANYONE ABOUT*. So Magnus, not wanting to give up everything he'd worked for, and dedicated wholly to the Emperor, decides he's going to prove himself and his Legion to be one of the Imperium's greatest assets and spends Emperor knows how long studying the warp and all it could reveal to him. He learns Horus has turned Traitor, tries to connect psychically with Big E, can't initially, tries again, ruining the webway by no real fault of his own, and when he *finally* gets to warn the Emperor, instead of listening, he demands Magnus be arrested and brought to Tera.
And the real kicker? He didn't even get that courtesy of explaining himself. Because Leman Russ, being the fucking *Genius* he is, looks at Horus, the guy Magnus just got done explaining was going to turn Traitor and throw a coup, and says,
"huh. Weird thing magnus was on about. Hey horus, think I should kill him and burn his home city to the ground with all its inhabitants? Civilians included?"
To which horus obviously readily spurs him on, saying Magnus is completely lost and tainted and should be put down instead of facing the Emperor's justice.
Sure, Magnus fucked up, and plenty, but he doesn't deserve near as much flak as people throw his way. He did what he could with the situation he was put in, and literally everybody collectively said "fuck this dude in particular" as their response. Before his total fall to chaos, he was literally doing 1 of 2 things. Defending himself or walking blind through a hellscape looking for answers that would benefit his father's empire. Everything after is just him giving the empire their just desserts, and I can't blame him. Everybody fucked him, then blamed him for being upset about it.
I really hope that shard of magnus is actually contained within that sword now.
i cried at jahgatais words
"I have seen the authors, and they are terrible."
Look, I'll give you John French and sometimes C.S. Goto, but you respect Dan Abnett and Sandy Mitchell.
I always felt that Magnus was corrupted not when he departed from Prospero, but when he saved the Thousand sons, giving one of his eye, because it symbollically mean the myopia he would suffer for the rest of his life.