Ah HOAs. “Come pay us extra every month to have more rules imposed about what you do with your home and have to pay fines for breaking those rules!” Why would anyone want that?
Last story: I would have reported the HOA to the state for cutting down a protected pecan tree. If it wasn't damaged or diseased, what right did they have to cut it down?
I'm sorry but I continue to be baffled by people who actually BUY property but then voluntarily allow themselves to be treated as worse than rental tenants. And don't give me any crap about "property values". That has nothing t do with property values and everything to do with a bunch of authoritarian people who have too much time on their hands. They decide if you can build a fence or a shed, they have veto power over what color you paint your house. They tell you when to mow the lawn, take out the trash, park your car, do some grilling, etc. I wasn't born in the United States so I can pretend I live in North Korea.
I know, right? HOA membership should apply to the owner of the land, not to the land itself. There should be a law that require new owner's application to HOA membership, not automatically force them to be a member.
Especially because home values are only determined by square footage unless you are a complete fool. If you do 100k worth of work to a house, it's still worth the same as the house next door with the same square footage unless you can talk someone into overpaying for it. People that think HOAs have anything to do with property value are idiots.
In at least some cities, it's hard to find affordable housing that's NOT in an area tyrannized by an HOA. I assume that's why most people end up buying homes in HOA neighborhoods -- they get tired of just RENTING in HOA neighborhoods & they're stuck living within commuting distance of a job. I don't think most people would live under HOA tyranny if they had the choice not to.
I'm wondering if it might have even been possible to dig up say ten square feet around and below the tree to get most of the roots, and put it into a massive bucket of some kind, and suddenly it's not a tree, it's a potted plant.
I was thinking that too. Like, you could argue your decision to buy the property at the price you did included there being a old native fruit baring tree on the lot. That tree added A LOT of value to the property which the guy loss.
OP should have taken the matter of her mother moving in all the way to court with a lawsuit. At that point Karen would have to prove that mother was a renter and disprove she was harassing OP.
Well, it was probably yet another chatbot generated tale and therefore fiction. Chatbots don't know how the law really works. But it was mildly entertaining at least, so long as you don't take it too seriously.
Story 5: Considering that this tree has been there for a while, I'm wondering if HOA was just waiting for someone to move in so the homeowner would remove the tree with the money out of his pocket instead of the HOA.
Tree Story: Actually, despite the Court Order, OP should NOT lose the Tree because before the HOA or OP can cut down the tree, first they must get a Removal Permit from the State Government which they won't get because they MUST show the tree is either Diseased and/or Dangerous and since OP's Pecan is not diseased OR dangerous, the State will Refuse to issue the Permit thus the HOA (and OP) can't cut it down without being Charged and Fined... Just because a Judge Ruled the HOA CC&R's apply, doesn't mean you don't have to abide by State Law...when the Tree Removal Service showed up, If I was OP, I'd ask them to show me the State Issued Removal Permit before allowing them to start cutting down the Tree...if they can't (or won't) produce it, I'd tell them to stay off my Property and leave my tree alone or I WILL call the Department of Natural Resources to report them for Illegally cutting down a Protected Pecan Tree, then call my Lawyer to file for an Injunction in Court forcing the HOA to leave the Tree alone until they can get the Removal Permit from the State WITHOUT Lying to the State about the tree being either Diseased or Dangerous...and I'd call an Arborist to file a notice with the State that the tree is safe and healthy just in case the HOA does try to Lie on their Permit Application...
The story sounds a lot like it was made up by a chatbot which doesn't know the law, but it's quite possible for stupid things like that to happen in the courts of the USA... because whoever has the most money and political clout wins.
@@melkiorwiseman5234 na not because of money ... i know its stupid and counter intuitive ... the HOA rules and the cutting down permit are 2 different things and are handel seperatly..... i pretty sure the judge know which could be 1 reason he puts the cost on the HOA and further more i think the judge would thought that the HOA wouldn't cut down the tree without it.... in the end we dont know if a permit was given or not... but that all doesnt matter then legally speaking that are 2 seperate issues and the permit was not part of the case only if the rule could be applied and would be legal
So glad I don’t live in HOA neighborhood! I heard when the small subdivision was built someone wanted to start an HOA but was thoroughly discouraged and the majority voted hell no!
I've never heard about it, and the concept itself is like a cultural shock for me. Imagine BUYING land, BUILDING house, and not being allowed to paint it brown?? What kind of bs is this???
The pecan tree -- I grew up with a MASSIVE walnut tree in one of our yards. Forty feet tall, easily. I mowed the lawn for a decade, and NEVER had a nut kicked up by the lawnmower.
Or into the shape of a hand flipping the bird. 😂 With spotlights so it's highlighted at night. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Go all out with glitter and glow in the dark paint. Is that too much? 😂
Story 5: Currently living in Texas having come from somewhere else and can confirm the HOAs out here are on something. Thankfully I haven't had any issues as crazy as these but wherever I end up in the future part of my needs will include no HOA.
There's this streamer that bought a house in HOA territory. He didn't join the HOA, mind you, but they took offense anyway when he painted the whole house pitch black. He just told them, "I'll paint my house any colour you want, as soon as you pay my mortgage."
Story 2 - LOL that was brilliant! Imagine if Liz and Dave love Halloween and they go all out with their newly painted orange house with Jack-O-Lanterns infront of the house, playing ‘This is Halloween’!😂😂😂
I don’t live in an HOA but I had a run in with the new zoning inspector. He noticed I had something things on my porch and tried to cite me. I found out that it was acceptable to block the view with blue tarps. So I bought several of them and proceeded to “ improve “ the neighborhood. I hung tarps all the way across my porch and on anything else I could in the yard. I covered my cars , my trash cans, my bird bath and even cut pieces of tarp to cover my wind chimes hanging in the trees. When I was done everything was blue tarp blue. It stayed that way for 6 months. He also tried to cite us for adding fence panels to an existing gate. He had told us we needed to block the view into our backyard. The only place you could see in was at the gate. He also started to harassed my neighbors and then lied about it. The real kicker of the whole situation was then only reason he ever came to my house was I was on the local historical architecture board. He was dropping off the papers for the upcoming meeting. I told the Zoning Department if I caught him back at my house again I’d make a formal complaint. They mailed the meeting notes after that and he didn’t last in the position. He probably moved to an HOA.
I put a toilet in my front yard with a sign that says "Mayor's Throne" above it. The best part? The mayor lives on the same street and sees it every day.
*Story 3-* My parents and in-laws are not fans of HOAs! Mine and my hubby’s parents aren’t necessarily “rich”, but if they want something, they can get it. (If you know what I mean.) My in-laws used to live in a huge house (2 stories, 6 rooms, 3 1/2 bathroom) on a 5 acre lot. But the thing about it, was the outside of their property was surrounded by huge trees and blackberry bushes. But the problem the HOA had with them was the bushes! (In Washington state, they grow wild.) The HOA claimed they planted the bushes themselves, so they had to remove them. But the only reason there wasn’t any on the rest of the property was because they cleaned out the property and built the house all themselves. After a ton of back and forth, eventually the HOA couldn’t do anything about it. So, to get back at the HOA, every year they’d have a huge 4th of July firework show in their yard and the neighbors couldn’t see it because of the trees!!! 🤭 And my parents live in the middle of the SoCal desert. And they’re well known, and respected, in the community because they own a hardware store. For a while, the people living behind my parents were trying to sell their house, and kept saying that my parent’s back yard was “too messy. So, no one wanted to buy their house.” (My parents had old/dirty cars, a dump trailer, and things like that.) And eventually, the neighbor sent someone from the county to tell my parents to clean it up. But, there was nothing the county could do. Even though everything looked bad, it was up to code. That annoyed my parents so0o0o much! So, they decided to get more old cars, more trailers, and let my grandpa build a welding workshop! So, eventually, the neighbor built a brick wall between the two of them! 😉
When Karen send a very threathening letter, i would have send copy's to her about the ADA laws, harrasment and stalking laws. Together with a CnD letter and pay extra so she has to sign the mail as proof she recieved it.
Years ago, a friend was going to buy a house from a guy that was a bishop? elder?? for a Utah based religion. He worked for a couple of years repairing the place. When it was looking good and his lease was within a couple months of being over, instead of selling it to him as agreed, the bishop brought a fellow church member over and said he had sold it to him. When Puff complained he was told he should have gotten it in writing. So Puff the Painter painted the entire house in a bright purple. He painted the house, windows, roof, shrubs and lawn around the place. Then moved out. Using equipment for painting ships, it only took one coat. All his friends thought it was hilarious.
My friend told me a HOA story like story 5, but when the state found out the tree was removed, they first went after the homeowner when the state found out it was the HOA that removed the tree; the state fined the HOA until a new tree was put back
In my town, we have neighborhoods with trees pushing 200 years old. Then we have neighborhoods with HOAs. They are never the same neighborhoods, and even the older HOAs have no real trees, other than ornamentals and shrubs.
I cannot fathom why anyone would buy property within an HOA. Who would want more rules, cookie cutter properties, and neighbors who are constantly looking for reasons to report you to a group of self-important power mad jerks??
Short answer: Because in a lot of places your only options are to either buy in an HOA or not buy at all. That said, most jurisdictions require HOAs to provide both their rules and recent minutes from meetings to prospective buyers on request. While I can understand someone not having the free time to read through several hundred pages of crap looking for issues, this is what lawyers are for. If you're going to drop $500k on a house, why not pay a lawyer a couple of thousand ahead of time to make sure that you're not moving into an HOA hell?
This is the reason why when I move and looking for a house, I’m staying clear of houses within HOAs. They are some good ones, sure, but the Bad Ones always outnumber the good ones
Story 2: A lot of conflicts with HOAs, according to Reddit, start with a really nosy neighbor. Like, some random loser of a neighbor wanting some small sense of power by throwing the HOA at someone.
It’s stories like these that make me feel so grateful to have an HOA that is quiet and respectful. They don’t even really enforce the rules. As long as you pay your dues, they’ll let you be as long as you don’t cause trouble
Until someone goes on a power trip. Can HOA’s be a force for good? Sure. But all it takes is one bad apple getting on the board and suddenly you’re dealing with months of not years of harassment.
Unfortunately, the reality is that it’s getting harder to find neighborhoods _(especially_ new developments) that don’t have an HOA. And in some places it’s getting to the point where you can’t legally opt out of the HOA when closing on a house. It’s getting bad.
@@RepellentJeff A bit of a microcosm of the U.S. fracturing from within to the point of it being like a bloc of 50 countries plus territories similar to the U.K.
To be clear I will never belong to any HOA my first learning of that evil thing was a story from my brother. They. Were claiming he could not have a trampoline but he lived outside the HOA. It was a small distance. Inches. I think he kept it long after his kids lost interest but I don't have proof. They did not take it when they moved to a much better place.
Story 5: OP should sue the judge who ruled that the tree could be cut down. Appeal to the Texas Supreme Court to sue both the judge AND the HOA for needlessly cutting down a HEALTHY tree that was there LONG BEFORE THE HOA. Besides, why did they go after the new owner, and not the previous one?
Every time I hear stories about HOAs, I’m glad they’re not up here in Canada and I’m convinced someone made them so that they could act as a dictator over their neighbours.
We DO, in fact, have HOA's in Canada. We also have a "form" of HOA's when you buy a Condo - Condo Associations, which are just as bad, if not worse, than an HOA.
The first story reminded me of a trailer park I used to have on my route. This nice old lady was constantly being harassed by her neighbors dogs who were out on the deck next door, any time she left her house or tried to use her own deck 3 feet away from the neighbors deck these 3 little yapping things would YIPYIPYIP making her miserable. It wasn't breaking any law since they were brought in at night. So the nice lady went to garage sales, swap meets, and thrift stores a lot. And started to build a collection of the motion detecting animals people would put on the porch. One day I was walking up to deliver and heard the most God awful noise between the 2 units. I came around the corner and there were the 3 dogs, going berserk because every time they moved a full 77 animal chorus would start Hooting, barking, meowing, screeching... you get the point by now? The dog lady moved out in 2 weeks once she was told that it wasn't going to be taken down and wasn't a violation because so many of the old folks in the park had them.
I would suspect that the HOA in the last story wanted the new owner to foot the bill of the tree removal. The previous owners probably moved in part as they didn't want to be the ones to foot the bill and probably wasn't able to obtain a lawyer who could defend them against the HOA.
Story 2: Missed opportunity to check every house in the HOA against the color swatches. It's highly likely some significant percentage of houses are slightly off from the color swatches, even if only by weathering and aging, or with certain more exact color measuring tools. She should build opposition to the strictness of the policy by forcing the HOA to sanction a dozen or two home owners for similarly minor variations. Sometimes you've got to start a riot to change things.
Check her house first. Go over EVERYTHING. Every rule in the book. I bet she doesn't have everything perfect. If she wants to play that game, she better be ready for it to be on her next.
The thing with HOA is that it's just like a gun or knife or a government, the thing itself is meant for good uses and to better life, but it is the people who uses it that makes gives such thing a bad reputation... Personally, i never had any bad dealings with hoa, i had lived twice in an area with an hoa, once when i was a teen and the hoa is on a semi-closed village. The people and the hoa itself are very nice and mostly just mind their own business, but will be helpful when needed. 2nd was when i moved to a foreign land for family and work reasons,and i still live on this country as permanent resident foreigner.i once lived in with my exgf and her parents, they own their house and it has an hoa. The hoa is very strict, but that's not really a problem when you're on a country that is strict and very high on discipline. I was notified multiple times for some mistakes on my part about certain rules and garbage collection matters, but overall everyone was very nice and helpful... So, i am actually very fine with hoa and their thing, but these stories are just purely about people being abusive and ah, which give HOA a bad reputation when it was meant to be a mini government and a guide on being a unified and peaceful community...
Re HOAs, I cannot understand why citizens of a nation which prides itself on "liberty" would allow strangers to determine whether it's permissible to rent a room, or erect a fence, on their own private property.
@@teslagod7221 to continue your analogy, reasonable restrictions on such tools help address abuse. In the case of an HOA, they desperately need restrictions to keep them from becoming weapons for power-mad busybodies.
Most HOAs are started by the builder of the neighborhood when it was built. I think municipalities link building permits to HOAs so the HOA pays for all the new road maintenance.
If a neighbor forced me to paint my house, I would paint it like a Cleveland Browns football helmet ,cause they are my favorite team and im a little petty
With that last story, it's illegal in most places where HOAs are legal for them to enforce changes on things which existed before the rule was put in place. Unless the HOA could show it was older than the tree, they shouldn't have been able to enforce their ruling on the removal of the tree.
"Renter" Story: If I was Liz, I'd be looking into the local State Laws to see if the HOA can Legally ban Renters or not... Regardless, Once Karen started Harassing me, I'd have filed a MASSIVE Harassment Lawsuit against Karen and the Board...When the house needed Painted and Karen sent fines because the Swatches no longer match the Manufacturer's Colours because of a formula change, I'd Sue them again for Harassment, Filing a Frivolous Lawsuit and Illegal Retaliation (for losing the first harassment Suit) because according to the written CC&R's, my house is in compliance...
Last story: HOA knew they would have to pay for the removal of the tree so they waited for someone to buy the house and hoped they would give into their bullying and pay for the removal out of pocket. Since the court said it had to be removed the HOA couldn't back pedal and change their mind and had to go through with it.
Story05: with the way that the judge seemingly completely ignored the Texas laws about pecan trees needing to be diseased/etc to get a permit to actually be removed I wonder if he’s somehow connected to someone on the HOA… The teacher (or his lawyer) should have gotten an arborist to verify the pecan tree’s health (ie not legally eligible for a permit to remove it) and/or told the state/county people who told him that he’d be arrested if he removed the pecan tree without a permit about the case and the judge’s ruling… let the environmental people in the government go after the judge and the HOA for trying to remove a healthy and protected pecan tree! Or the homeowner could have applied and been denied a permit (by the government) to remove the pecan tree since it was healthy and the lawyer could use that with the court… Or the homeowner could have not allowed the tree service to remove the tree unless he saw that they had a legitimate permit for it (not one falsely claiming that the tree was diseased)…
🤔🤬🤬🤔 *I've asked so many times!* *Why in hell would ANYONE actually CHOOSE to live in an HOA?! I will never understand!* *Also Fluff.. this is one of my FAVORITE videos you've done! I love M.C. especially when it's against HOA's!*
In general HOA are just greedy homeowners looking for a fast buck. But at this point governments and housing business are actually starting make the effort to banned/regulate HOA since lawsuits on them are becoming common now.
Last story: The person should have done some eBay surfing and bought a mess of old metal bedpans and made a fountain or flower pots like they made on the show MASH. That would be awesome!
Re: the pecan tree; did the HOA hassle the previous owner? I think I'd rather have a tree, ANY tree, rather than the daisy throne that OP placed there. Maybe they'll change their minds and let him plant another pecan tree next Arbor Day. 😂
I'm willing to bet they hassled the previous owner, but he or she successfully fended them off, so they just bided their time until they had an easier target.
Story number four. It should also be that any board member on the HOA cannot make any decisions or hand out any fines etc if they have outstanding issues as well.
With the last story, I believe I remember hearing this story from the homeowner's side as well. Apparently the HOA guy got arrested too for attempting to steal the toilet at night to finally get rid of it.
The last story reminds me of my grandma. She wasn't in an HOA but she was a bit eccentric. She lived on a back road and had a giant garden full of animal statues labeled her "critter corral". And in the corner she had an old toilet that she used as a flower pot with a sign in front of it that said "flower potty"
We used to live in a townhouse development with a horrible HOA. They kept fining us for not having grass in our front yard but wouldn’t allow us to take down the pine trees which were killing the grass. When we moved into a house, we still have an HOA, but I think it’s the most laid back HOA ever. As long as you keep your property looking relatively decent and pay your very reasonable dues they leave you alone. Nobody cares about paint colors or all the other petty stuff other HOAs seem to go crazy over. It does cover grass cutting and other landscaping in the common areas, trash removal, snowplowing, road repair, and maintenance of the large sewer pumps we have to have to get our sewage out to the main line outside the development.
She's since moved, but there was a karen who lived in this area who, almost every other week, with several of her friends and their husbands, would go knocking on doors and demanding we sign a petition to turn this area into a "neighborhood association." We refused. She, then, started sending moronic "violation letters", claiming that people's fences were "violating association rules" and that the grass was too long, and that dogs were being "too loud" in their barking and to "get rid of them or de-bark them", etc. Btw, de-barking is horrific. It's where a dog is surgically altered so that the larynx is all but removed. We basically told her and her friends to shove off. She tried suing some people, and on others, she was calling the cops, and I mean on a nearly daily basis at one point. Finally, the cops told her to shove off and stop or SHE would get arrested for her behavior. It wasn't long after she sold her place and moved.
Housing Associations are such a strange concept to me, but one thing I've learned, is if I'm ever on an HOA board... SPECIFY that trim colours can only be used on trims... and pick muted ones.
Re: Fences on HOA properties. It all depends on whether or not the HOA requires you to do your own lawncare. If the HOA is responsible for lawn mowing and trimming, fences will greatly increase the cost of lawn care for the community. I've lived in both kinds of places. Second story: He made it into Barbi's mansion.
Remember people HOA's r not legally allowed to dictate wat goes on inside Ur own home or even Ur backyard, only the front yard and front of the house and that's all, Ur allowed to rent rooms if U so plz, HOA's r also not allowed to conflict with City, County, State and Federal laws
Damn the judge and the HOA!!! 😠😠😠😠 The tree was already there DECADES (OR A CENTURY) before that stupid HOA ruling was formed. If the tree shouldn't be on front of the house, they should have revised the lot sizes to accommodate the tree being BEHIND the yard. It's not the tree's fault to be planted there. I hope they've replanted the tree, and NOT cut down.
I actually had a neighbor who painted their house orange. It even had a green roof. Someone kept complaining about the house, so the owner repainted it white with a white roof just to annoy the neighbor further.
My main question on that last story is: How did the HOA manage to get the permit to remove the tree when OP couldn’t, considering the legal necessities of getting the permit issued?
Listening to these stories made me believe that HOAs are always bad and nobody wants them. But listening to the second to last story showed, that they can be very useful if they are "done" correctly. I'm glad to see that they are not all bad.
I live in an what would qualify as an HOA in Norway and it's the most relaxed thing ever... I asked our head of the board if I would need to send an application to put up a fence. I was told it was my god damn garden and to just follow whatever the building law said. We have cut down trees, expanded the backyard deck, built storage beneath the deck you name it... It's my damn garden right? Now not all HOAs here are like this, some are exactly as mentioned in these stories, however we also have government law that keeps them in line, so no one would get away with this kind of bs in the long run.
man, so many HOAs would benefit so much from having a lawyer on retainer that they can just send a ruleset to and say "are these enforceable or are they any loopholes they can exploit?" or "This happened, how can I legally handle it?"
Pecan trees take 25 years before they produce. Right after Katrina took out the pecan groves in Texas, I bought as many pecans as I could, knowing the price would skyrocket. For several years, pecanwood was used by the Texas meat industry to smoke hams, turkeys and sausages, to try to recoup the financial losses to the next generation, waiting for the replacement trees to mature.
Those courts are messed up if they think HOA bylaws supersede an 80-100 year old tree that would have been there before they even formed. And if it wasn't there before the HOA, they surely would have lost any right to enforce it after ignoring it for several decades.
Ah HOAs. “Come pay us extra every month to have more rules imposed about what you do with your home and have to pay fines for breaking those rules!” Why would anyone want that?
middle class white people who think they are upper class.
It keeps property values high, and most HOAs pay to maintain and upgrade common areas like parks and pools.
Many countries are like that
Seriously! I have way more freedom in my stupid apartment
Because they either don't know better and/or are Masochists...
Maybe both?
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Last story: I would have reported the HOA to the state for cutting down a protected pecan tree. If it wasn't damaged or diseased, what right did they have to cut it down?
Exactly. I would have sent the state all the details
Because there was a court-order, that (afaik) constitutes a permit
@@HubrisInc Maybe. But I don't know that. And, at the least, it would pass on the headache of PROVING that they had the permit.
@@HubrisInc Except it violates the law. The judge screwed up with that one. The law trumps HOA rules.
As it was a hundred years old and the previous homeowners were allowed to keep it it was grandfathered in or should have been.
I'm sorry but I continue to be baffled by people who actually BUY property but then voluntarily allow themselves to be treated as worse than rental tenants. And don't give me any crap about "property values". That has nothing t do with property values and everything to do with a bunch of authoritarian people who have too much time on their hands. They decide if you can build a fence or a shed, they have veto power over what color you paint your house. They tell you when to mow the lawn, take out the trash, park your car, do some grilling, etc. I wasn't born in the United States so I can pretend I live in North Korea.
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I know, right? HOA membership should apply to the owner of the land, not to the land itself. There should be a law that require new owner's application to HOA membership, not automatically force them to be a member.
Especially because home values are only determined by square footage unless you are a complete fool. If you do 100k worth of work to a house, it's still worth the same as the house next door with the same square footage unless you can talk someone into overpaying for it. People that think HOAs have anything to do with property value are idiots.
@@liwojenkins A three storied house is valued the same as a shack if it's on the same sized land in the same neighborhood? 😲
In at least some cities, it's hard to find affordable housing that's NOT in an area tyrannized by an HOA. I assume that's why most people end up buying homes in HOA neighborhoods -- they get tired of just RENTING in HOA neighborhoods & they're stuck living within commuting distance of a job. I don't think most people would live under HOA tyranny if they had the choice not to.
I feel like the pecan tree story needs to sue the HOA for the loss of the tree.
Tree Law!! 😮
@@lancerevell5979 yup. Tree law. This could become a case of malicious compliance.
I'm wondering if it might have even been possible to dig up say ten square feet around and below the tree to get most of the roots, and put it into a massive bucket of some kind, and suddenly it's not a tree, it's a potted plant.
I was thinking that too. Like, you could argue your decision to buy the property at the price you did included there being a old native fruit baring tree on the lot. That tree added A LOT of value to the property which the guy loss.
OP should have taken the matter of her mother moving in all the way to court with a lawsuit. At that point Karen would have to prove that mother was a renter and disprove she was harassing OP.
They took pictures of her through the window! Peeping Tom laws?
With those pictures.... Stalking / Invasion of Privacy; Voyeurism / Unsolicited Photography; and Trespassing can be sued against her.
@@erichanastacio9695 Thought so. Thanks.
@@Msfeathers7
You're welcome.
Well, it was probably yet another chatbot generated tale and therefore fiction. Chatbots don't know how the law really works. But it was mildly entertaining at least, so long as you don't take it too seriously.
They should have gotten a cease and desist letter from a lawyer with a promise that she'll be sued personally for harassment
Story 5: Considering that this tree has been there for a while, I'm wondering if HOA was just waiting for someone to move in so the homeowner would remove the tree with the money out of his pocket instead of the HOA.
My thoughts exactly. Why hadn't previous owners not had it removed?
@@EarthboundMisfit1274 It's backfire to them. They have to remove it themselves instead of the new homeowner. 🤣
@@gorilladisco9108 Just another example of trying to shift responsibility, but in the end it was FAFO.
Tree Story: Actually, despite the Court Order, OP should NOT lose the Tree because before the HOA or OP can cut down the tree, first they must get a Removal Permit from the State Government which they won't get because they MUST show the tree is either Diseased and/or Dangerous and since OP's Pecan is not diseased OR dangerous, the State will Refuse to issue the Permit thus the HOA (and OP) can't cut it down without being Charged and Fined...
Just because a Judge Ruled the HOA CC&R's apply, doesn't mean you don't have to abide by State Law...when the Tree Removal Service showed up, If I was OP, I'd ask them to show me the State Issued Removal Permit before allowing them to start cutting down the Tree...if they can't (or won't) produce it, I'd tell them to stay off my Property and leave my tree alone or I WILL call the Department of Natural Resources to report them for Illegally cutting down a Protected Pecan Tree, then call my Lawyer to file for an Injunction in Court forcing the HOA to leave the Tree alone until they can get the Removal Permit from the State WITHOUT Lying to the State about the tree being either Diseased or Dangerous...and I'd call an Arborist to file a notice with the State that the tree is safe and healthy just in case the HOA does try to Lie on their Permit Application...
The story sounds a lot like it was made up by a chatbot which doesn't know the law, but it's quite possible for stupid things like that to happen in the courts of the USA... because whoever has the most money and political clout wins.
@@melkiorwiseman5234 na not because of money ... i know its stupid and counter intuitive ... the HOA rules and the cutting down permit are 2 different things and are handel seperatly..... i pretty sure the judge know which could be 1 reason he puts the cost on the HOA and further more i think the judge would thought that the HOA wouldn't cut down the tree without it.... in the end we dont know if a permit was given or not... but that all doesnt matter then legally speaking that are 2 seperate issues and the permit was not part of the case only if the rule could be applied and would be legal
My step dad lived across the street from a funeral home and they got the city to force a repaint. He painted his house Pepto-Bismol pink
So glad I don’t live in HOA neighborhood! I heard when the small subdivision was built someone wanted to start an HOA but was thoroughly discouraged and the majority voted hell no!
I never EVER liked HOAs. In fact, I absolutely HATE HOAs so much that I have vowed to myself to never EVER live in an HOA neighborhood.
what if they’re an actually good HOA
I've never heard about it, and the concept itself is like a cultural shock for me. Imagine BUYING land, BUILDING house, and not being allowed to paint it brown?? What kind of bs is this???
I would live in a single wide trailer 40 miles outside of town before living in an HOA ever again.
The pecan tree -- I grew up with a MASSIVE walnut tree in one of our yards. Forty feet tall, easily. I mowed the lawn for a decade, and NEVER had a nut kicked up by the lawnmower.
Imagine if he planted a bush in the pot. Then when it grows he can prune it into somebody sitting on it
Or into the shape of a hand flipping the bird. 😂 With spotlights so it's highlighted at night. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Go all out with glitter and glow in the dark paint. Is that too much? 😂
@@paulagoeringer9466 I like it
Story 5: Currently living in Texas having come from somewhere else and can confirm the HOAs out here are on something. Thankfully I haven't had any issues as crazy as these but wherever I end up in the future part of my needs will include no HOA.
That last story is impressive.... I never would've thought to turn a toilet into a self watering flowerpot..... I tip my hat to you sir
There's this streamer that bought a house in HOA territory. He didn't join the HOA, mind you, but they took offense anyway when he painted the whole house pitch black.
He just told them, "I'll paint my house any colour you want, as soon as you pay my mortgage."
Bahahaha!
Story 2 - LOL that was brilliant! Imagine if Liz and Dave love Halloween and they go all out with their newly painted orange house with Jack-O-Lanterns infront of the house, playing ‘This is Halloween’!😂😂😂
I don’t live in an HOA but I had a run in with the new zoning inspector.
He noticed I had something things on my porch and tried to cite me. I found out that it was acceptable to block the view with blue tarps. So I bought several of them and proceeded to “ improve “ the neighborhood.
I hung tarps all the way across my porch and on anything else I could in the yard. I covered my cars , my trash cans, my bird bath and even cut pieces of tarp to cover my wind chimes hanging in the trees.
When I was done everything was blue tarp blue. It stayed that way for 6 months.
He also tried to cite us for adding fence panels to an existing gate. He had told us we needed to block the view into our backyard. The only place you could see in was at the gate. He also started to harassed my neighbors and then lied about it.
The real kicker of the whole situation was then only reason he ever came to my house was I was on the local historical architecture board. He was dropping off the papers for the upcoming meeting.
I told the Zoning Department if I caught him back at my house again I’d make a formal complaint. They mailed the meeting notes after that and he didn’t last in the position.
He probably moved to an HOA.
I put a toilet in my front yard with a sign that says "Mayor's Throne" above it. The best part? The mayor lives on the same street and sees it every day.
I'd put a sign saying "Mayors policy bucket" on it.
*Story 3-* My parents and in-laws are not fans of HOAs! Mine and my hubby’s parents aren’t necessarily “rich”, but if they want something, they can get it. (If you know what I mean.)
My in-laws used to live in a huge house (2 stories, 6 rooms, 3 1/2 bathroom) on a 5 acre lot. But the thing about it, was the outside of their property was surrounded by huge trees and blackberry bushes. But the problem the HOA had with them was the bushes! (In Washington state, they grow wild.) The HOA claimed they planted the bushes themselves, so they had to remove them. But the only reason there wasn’t any on the rest of the property was because they cleaned out the property and built the house all themselves. After a ton of back and forth, eventually the HOA couldn’t do anything about it. So, to get back at the HOA, every year they’d have a huge 4th of July firework show in their yard and the neighbors couldn’t see it because of the trees!!! 🤭
And my parents live in the middle of the SoCal desert. And they’re well known, and respected, in the community because they own a hardware store. For a while, the people living behind my parents were trying to sell their house, and kept saying that my parent’s back yard was “too messy. So, no one wanted to buy their house.” (My parents had old/dirty cars, a dump trailer, and things like that.) And eventually, the neighbor sent someone from the county to tell my parents to clean it up. But, there was nothing the county could do. Even though everything looked bad, it was up to code. That annoyed my parents so0o0o much! So, they decided to get more old cars, more trailers, and let my grandpa build a welding workshop! So, eventually, the neighbor built a brick wall between the two of them! 😉
When Karen send a very threathening letter, i would have send copy's to her about the ADA laws, harrasment and stalking laws. Together with a CnD letter and pay extra so she has to sign the mail as proof she recieved it.
Story 3 - I personally hate the color pink but That was brilliant level of pettiness!
I'm imagining a house painted the ugliest shade of pastel pink known to humanity…or a shade of pink that makes it look like Dolores Umbridge's office.
@@JamesDavy2009 AHHHHH! MY EYES!
Years ago, a friend was going to buy a house from a guy that was a bishop? elder?? for a Utah based religion. He worked for a couple of years repairing the place. When it was looking good and his lease was within a couple months of being over, instead of selling it to him as agreed, the bishop brought a fellow church member over and said he had sold it to him. When Puff complained he was told he should have gotten it in writing. So Puff the Painter painted the entire house in a bright purple. He painted the house, windows, roof, shrubs and lawn around the place. Then moved out. Using equipment for painting ships, it only took one coat. All his friends thought it was hilarious.
My friend told me a HOA story like story 5, but when the state found out the tree was removed, they first went after the homeowner when the state found out it was the HOA that removed the tree; the state fined the HOA until a new tree was put back
In my town, we have neighborhoods with trees pushing 200 years old. Then we have neighborhoods with HOAs. They are never the same neighborhoods, and even the older HOAs have no real trees, other than ornamentals and shrubs.
I cannot fathom why anyone would buy property within an HOA. Who would want more rules, cookie cutter properties, and neighbors who are constantly looking for reasons to report you to a group of self-important power mad jerks??
Narcissism is rife in the U.S.
Short answer: Because in a lot of places your only options are to either buy in an HOA or not buy at all.
That said, most jurisdictions require HOAs to provide both their rules and recent minutes from meetings to prospective buyers on request. While I can understand someone not having the free time to read through several hundred pages of crap looking for issues, this is what lawyers are for. If you're going to drop $500k on a house, why not pay a lawyer a couple of thousand ahead of time to make sure that you're not moving into an HOA hell?
This is the reason why when I move and looking for a house, I’m staying clear of houses within HOAs. They are some good ones, sure, but the Bad Ones always outnumber the good ones
And good ones can go bad.
Unfortunately...
Story 2: A lot of conflicts with HOAs, according to Reddit, start with a really nosy neighbor. Like, some random loser of a neighbor wanting some small sense of power by throwing the HOA at someone.
Why people hate HOAS and HOA Karens in general
It’s stories like these that make me feel so grateful to have an HOA that is quiet and respectful. They don’t even really enforce the rules. As long as you pay your dues, they’ll let you be as long as you don’t cause trouble
Still weird to basically pay people to tell you what to do with your own shiz 🤔
Until someone goes on a power trip. Can HOA’s be a force for good? Sure. But all it takes is one bad apple getting on the board and suddenly you’re dealing with months of not years of harassment.
I can only feel just so much empathy for someone with HOA issues since they're the ones that decided to buy into and live in an HOA.
Unfortunately, the reality is that it’s getting harder to find neighborhoods _(especially_ new developments) that don’t have an HOA.
And in some places it’s getting to the point where you can’t legally opt out of the HOA when closing on a house. It’s getting bad.
@@RepellentJeff A bit of a microcosm of the U.S. fracturing from within to the point of it being like a bloc of 50 countries plus territories similar to the U.K.
To be clear I will never belong to any HOA my first learning of that evil thing was a story from my brother. They. Were claiming he could not have a trampoline but he lived outside the HOA. It was a small distance. Inches. I think he kept it long after his kids lost interest but I don't have proof. They did not take it when they moved to a much better place.
Story 5: OP should sue the judge who ruled that the tree could be cut down. Appeal to the Texas Supreme Court to sue both the judge AND the HOA for needlessly cutting down a HEALTHY tree that was there LONG BEFORE THE HOA. Besides, why did they go after the new owner, and not the previous one?
Every time I hear stories about HOAs, I’m glad they’re not up here in Canada and I’m convinced someone made them so that they could act as a dictator over their neighbours.
We DO, in fact, have HOA's in Canada. We also have a "form" of HOA's when you buy a Condo - Condo Associations, which are just as bad, if not worse, than an HOA.
@@PuppyKatt GOD DAMMIT!!! >_
Where I'm from, we call them owners corporations or strata corporations.
@@BigWired Yeah, we all have to be very, very careful with the neighbourhood we plan to move to, be it rent or own.
We do have strata corporations for condos and townhouses here, but most are far more chill than American HOAs.
The first story reminded me of a trailer park I used to have on my route. This nice old lady was constantly being harassed by her neighbors dogs who were out on the deck next door, any time she left her house or tried to use her own deck 3 feet away from the neighbors deck these 3 little yapping things would YIPYIPYIP making her miserable. It wasn't breaking any law since they were brought in at night. So the nice lady went to garage sales, swap meets, and thrift stores a lot. And started to build a collection of the motion detecting animals people would put on the porch. One day I was walking up to deliver and heard the most God awful noise between the 2 units. I came around the corner and there were the 3 dogs, going berserk because every time they moved a full 77 animal chorus would start Hooting, barking, meowing, screeching... you get the point by now? The dog lady moved out in 2 weeks once she was told that it wasn't going to be taken down and wasn't a violation because so many of the old folks in the park had them.
For story 5, did the judge just implied that HOA bylaws upend stat law? Because that's what it sounded to me.
I would suspect that the HOA in the last story wanted the new owner to foot the bill of the tree removal. The previous owners probably moved in part as they didn't want to be the ones to foot the bill and probably wasn't able to obtain a lawyer who could defend them against the HOA.
Or a board member of HOA himself?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Story 2: Missed opportunity to check every house in the HOA against the color swatches. It's highly likely some significant percentage of houses are slightly off from the color swatches, even if only by weathering and aging, or with certain more exact color measuring tools. She should build opposition to the strictness of the policy by forcing the HOA to sanction a dozen or two home owners for similarly minor variations. Sometimes you've got to start a riot to change things.
Check her house first. Go over EVERYTHING. Every rule in the book. I bet she doesn't have everything perfect. If she wants to play that game, she better be ready for it to be on her next.
@@paulagoeringer9466 I believe only board members can issue write ups.
Why would ANYBODY voluntarily choose to live where you are constantly monitored by conformity police?
The thing with HOA is that it's just like a gun or knife or a government, the thing itself is meant for good uses and to better life, but it is the people who uses it that makes gives such thing a bad reputation...
Personally, i never had any bad dealings with hoa, i had lived twice in an area with an hoa, once when i was a teen and the hoa is on a semi-closed village. The people and the hoa itself are very nice and mostly just mind their own business, but will be helpful when needed. 2nd was when i moved to a foreign land for family and work reasons,and i still live on this country as permanent resident foreigner.i once lived in with my exgf and her parents, they own their house and it has an hoa. The hoa is very strict, but that's not really a problem when you're on a country that is strict and very high on discipline. I was notified multiple times for some mistakes on my part about certain rules and garbage collection matters, but overall everyone was very nice and helpful...
So, i am actually very fine with hoa and their thing, but these stories are just purely about people being abusive and ah, which give HOA a bad reputation when it was meant to be a mini government and a guide on being a unified and peaceful community...
Re HOAs, I cannot understand why citizens of a nation which prides itself on "liberty" would allow strangers to determine whether it's permissible to rent a room, or erect a fence, on their own private property.
@@teslagod7221 to continue your analogy, reasonable restrictions on such tools help address abuse. In the case of an HOA, they desperately need restrictions to keep them from becoming weapons for power-mad busybodies.
Because in many places, there's nothing else. Not everyone can afford to buy property an hour away from work to build a house on.
Welcome to the new US. 😉
9:27 Most houses in an HOA are grandfathered in. So anything there when the organization was formed does not have to abide by the HOA guidelines.
Most HOAs are started by the builder of the neighborhood when it was built. I think municipalities link building permits to HOAs so the HOA pays for all the new road maintenance.
If a neighbor forced me to paint my house, I would paint it like a Cleveland Browns football helmet ,cause they are my favorite team and im a little petty
The poor tree.
HOAs: Giving power to people who clearly cannot use it wisely and shouldn't have it at all.
With that last story, it's illegal in most places where HOAs are legal for them to enforce changes on things which existed before the rule was put in place. Unless the HOA could show it was older than the tree, they shouldn't have been able to enforce their ruling on the removal of the tree.
The chatbot which wrote the story didn't have a story composition rule which covered that.
@@melkiorwiseman5234 xD I wish that wasn't a reasonable theory!
"Renter" Story: If I was Liz, I'd be looking into the local State Laws to see if the HOA can Legally ban Renters or not...
Regardless, Once Karen started Harassing me, I'd have filed a MASSIVE Harassment Lawsuit against Karen and the Board...When the house needed Painted and Karen sent fines because the Swatches no longer match the Manufacturer's Colours because of a formula change, I'd Sue them again for Harassment, Filing a Frivolous Lawsuit and Illegal Retaliation (for losing the first harassment Suit) because according to the written CC&R's, my house is in compliance...
Chances are there is nothing in the State laws to ban renter.
But there's also nothing in the State laws to ban bylaws that ban renter.
🤔
story 5... i havent finished listening to it yet, but... TREE LAW ?!
Last story: HOA knew they would have to pay for the removal of the tree so they waited for someone to buy the house and hoped they would give into their bullying and pay for the removal out of pocket. Since the court said it had to be removed the HOA couldn't back pedal and change their mind and had to go through with it.
The various youtube videos about HOA's has convinced me that I never want to live in one.
Why do people voluntarily live with these vile HOA things?
As far as I'm concerned, HOA's should be made illegal on a federal level.
HOA's IMO, are toeholds of fascism.
Story05: with the way that the judge seemingly completely ignored the Texas laws about pecan trees needing to be diseased/etc to get a permit to actually be removed I wonder if he’s somehow connected to someone on the HOA…
The teacher (or his lawyer) should have gotten an arborist to verify the pecan tree’s health (ie not legally eligible for a permit to remove it) and/or told the state/county people who told him that he’d be arrested if he removed the pecan tree without a permit about the case and the judge’s ruling…
let the environmental people in the government go after the judge and the HOA for trying to remove a healthy and protected pecan tree!
Or the homeowner could have applied and been denied a permit (by the government) to remove the pecan tree since it was healthy and the lawyer could use that with the court…
Or the homeowner could have not allowed the tree service to remove the tree unless he saw that they had a legitimate permit for it (not one falsely claiming that the tree was diseased)…
this feels like a BestOf episode! great story choices lol
You couldn't pay me a million dollars to live in a HOA
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*I've asked so many times!*
*Why in hell would ANYONE actually CHOOSE to live in an HOA?! I will never understand!*
*Also Fluff.. this is one of my FAVORITE videos you've done! I love M.C. especially when it's against HOA's!*
In general HOA are just greedy homeowners looking for a fast buck. But at this point governments and housing business are actually starting make the effort to banned/regulate HOA since lawsuits on them are becoming common now.
Last story: The person should have done some eBay surfing and bought a mess of old metal bedpans and made a fountain or flower pots like they made on the show MASH. That would be awesome!
Then put a MOMA-worthy nameplate, giving the 'art installation' the name "Thanatopsis".
I would have appealed the first case. State law supercede HOA bylaws.
*supersede
Don't feel bad, it's the most frequently misspelled word in the English language.
I hope you and everyone else had a good day Darkfluff!!
How ya doing DarkFluff, editor, and viewrrs? Hope you all are well and theres no heatwave where you are at. Be well
No such luck... Arizona. 🤔🙄🍹👵🐺🌵💋
I’m good, despite the scattered storms that keep hitting
I'm good to much rain here
@@kayleebrasseaux4736 they fr act like mini hurricanes
No heat..but lots of rain..
Story 3 : the lawyer is a true exemple of lawful neutral there XDa
Story 1 - I would’ve left those things up too but… eh whatever
Yah. Wait until neighbour complains about the racket, remove them, put up original "fence". Repeat if necessary.
I built a mansion, forget the price. Ain't never lived there, they tell me it's nice....
Re: the pecan tree; did the HOA hassle the previous owner? I think I'd rather have a tree, ANY tree, rather than the daisy throne that OP placed there.
Maybe they'll change their minds and let him plant another pecan tree next Arbor Day. 😂
I'm willing to bet they hassled the previous owner, but he or she successfully fended them off, so they just bided their time until they had an easier target.
@@greymalkin9228 "Bided" is not a word. The proper past form of the verb "to bide (one's time)" is "bode".
They should sue Karen for horrassment and I don't know the law but peeping. I know some states doesn't have peeping laws
So glad I don't have an HOA!
Story 4 - That last part of the story… ooooh burn.😂😂😂😂
Best "Your mom" comeback ever.
@@fictionfan0 Absolutely 💯
These stories make my trailer park seem wonderful.
HOAs are a red flag, comparable to a house filled with black mold or sitting in the middle of a marsh, and buyers like myself avoid them at all cost.
Don't mess with the nice people. Just because we're nice doesn't mean we don't have a mean streak😂😂
Story number four. It should also be that any board member on the HOA cannot make any decisions or hand out any fines etc if they have outstanding issues as well.
That's a good idea-install the clean hands doctrine into HOA laws.
With the last story, I believe I remember hearing this story from the homeowner's side as well. Apparently the HOA guy got arrested too for attempting to steal the toilet at night to finally get rid of it.
Hope everyone is having a good day, remember to stay hydrated!!
6:25 I know of a house like this, though maybe more of a burnt orange. They also have TWO cars the same color 😂
Well done for FINALLY using new stories in an episode instead of just recycling those from previous episodes!
Ngl, I would love to live in a pepto bismol pink house, knowing it was borne out of spite. 🤣🤣🤣
The last story reminds me of my grandma. She wasn't in an HOA but she was a bit eccentric. She lived on a back road and had a giant garden full of animal statues labeled her "critter corral". And in the corner she had an old toilet that she used as a flower pot with a sign in front of it that said "flower potty"
HOA: Hey, come join our HOA.
Me: Oh, HOA? Does that stand for Hell On Allofus?
We used to live in a townhouse development with a horrible HOA. They kept fining us for not having grass in our front yard but wouldn’t allow us to take down the pine trees which were killing the grass. When we moved into a house, we still have an HOA, but I think it’s the most laid back HOA ever. As long as you keep your property looking relatively decent and pay your very reasonable dues they leave you alone. Nobody cares about paint colors or all the other petty stuff other HOAs seem to go crazy over. It does cover grass cutting and other landscaping in the common areas, trash removal, snowplowing, road repair, and maintenance of the large sewer pumps we have to have to get our sewage out to the main line outside the development.
She's since moved, but there was a karen who lived in this area who, almost every other week, with several of her friends and their husbands, would go knocking on doors and demanding we sign a petition to turn this area into a "neighborhood association." We refused.
She, then, started sending moronic "violation letters", claiming that people's fences were "violating association rules" and that the grass was too long, and that dogs were being "too loud" in their barking and to "get rid of them or de-bark them", etc. Btw, de-barking is horrific. It's where a dog is surgically altered so that the larynx is all but removed.
We basically told her and her friends to shove off. She tried suing some people, and on others, she was calling the cops, and I mean on a nearly daily basis at one point. Finally, the cops told her to shove off and stop or SHE would get arrested for her behavior. It wasn't long after she sold her place and moved.
I am frankly disappointed that the tree had to be removed, it's a real shame.
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For that first one, why couldn't they get the HOA to stop wasting the HOA money by using their lawyer? One strike and you're out!
Straight into it. 5:30 am here in Australia.
Show of hands how many people think that the hoa board in story number 4 is embezzling money from the town funds
I don't know how anyone could live in a HOA, they just sound stressful.
Housing Associations are such a strange concept to me, but one thing I've learned, is if I'm ever on an HOA board... SPECIFY that trim colours can only be used on trims... and pick muted ones.
Re: Fences on HOA properties. It all depends on whether or not the HOA requires you to do your own lawncare. If the HOA is responsible for lawn mowing and trimming, fences will greatly increase the cost of lawn care for the community. I've lived in both kinds of places. Second story: He made it into Barbi's mansion.
Remember people HOA's r not legally allowed to dictate wat goes on inside Ur own home or even Ur backyard, only the front yard and front of the house and that's all, Ur allowed to rent rooms if U so plz, HOA's r also not allowed to conflict with City, County, State and Federal laws
It seems that no one that "willingly" lives in a HOA knows that..
@@j.d.l._666 true, which is why I'm trying to spread awareness
Please tell me that you have a job that does not require proper English to be written.
@@EarthboundMisfit1274 this is just text speak for here on TH-cam, I can use proper English and do so for my job
@@EarthboundMisfit1274 Proper english snowflake
Damn the judge and the HOA!!! 😠😠😠😠
The tree was already there DECADES (OR A CENTURY) before that stupid HOA ruling was formed.
If the tree shouldn't be on front of the house, they should have revised the lot sizes to accommodate the tree being BEHIND the yard.
It's not the tree's fault to be planted there.
I hope they've replanted the tree, and NOT cut down.
I actually had a neighbor who painted their house orange. It even had a green roof. Someone kept complaining about the house, so the owner repainted it white with a white roof just to annoy the neighbor further.
My main question on that last story is: How did the HOA manage to get the permit to remove the tree when OP couldn’t, considering the legal necessities of getting the permit issued?
Listening to these stories made me believe that HOAs are always bad and nobody wants them. But listening to the second to last story showed, that they can be very useful if they are "done" correctly. I'm glad to see that they are not all bad.
I live in an what would qualify as an HOA in Norway and it's the most relaxed thing ever... I asked our head of the board if I would need to send an application to put up a fence. I was told it was my god damn garden and to just follow whatever the building law said.
We have cut down trees, expanded the backyard deck, built storage beneath the deck you name it... It's my damn garden right?
Now not all HOAs here are like this, some are exactly as mentioned in these stories, however we also have government law that keeps them in line, so no one would get away with this kind of bs in the long run.
Welcome back, Fluff. I was starting to wonder if you caught the Strep again.
man, so many HOAs would benefit so much from having a lawyer on retainer that they can just send a ruleset to and say "are these enforceable or are they any loopholes they can exploit?" or "This happened, how can I legally handle it?"
Pecan trees take 25 years before they produce. Right after Katrina took out the pecan groves in Texas, I bought as many pecans as I could, knowing the price would skyrocket. For several years, pecanwood was used by the Texas meat industry to smoke hams, turkeys and sausages, to try to recoup the financial losses to the next generation, waiting for the replacement trees to mature.
HOA; Homeowners Association, or House of A-holes?
Stories like these are why I will NEVER live in an HOA community- I'd rather live in a shack in the middle of nowhere than deal with this!!!
I'm just hoping that the fill cycle on the self-watering flower pot came with a distinctly-audible flushing sound.
Those courts are messed up if they think HOA bylaws supersede an 80-100 year old tree that would have been there before they even formed. And if it wasn't there before the HOA, they surely would have lost any right to enforce it after ignoring it for several decades.
After reading these stories I would never live in a HOA! NEVER,😊