@@stephanien6237 He worked for the government. Everything was documented in triplicate apart from the original. Reams of paper and huge registers were consumed. This was before computers.
I'm an ICU nurse. When someone with a pacemaker passes away, we use a magnet to disable it. so the manager was trying to kill the employee with his ignorance and stupidity.
Out of curiosity, why would you use a magnet, and not a specifically programmed RFID system? Just seems kinda dangerous to use something that common as a means of deactivation.
I was hoping to hear from someone in health care! I'm not, but I do know about pacemakers and what magnets can do. Btw, the guy's comment that "young people don't need pacemakers" was absolutely ridiculous!
@@masterjunko Yes he can be Sued for Negligence nearly killing the kid, if the kid had died, he could also be Charged and Prosecuted for Criminal Negligence Causing Death...
Story 1 - I’m so glad that OP and the other cashier had the customers and coworkers behind them because everything that Clueless Manager did was sexist and possible for massive lawsuits. I hope that he was blacklisted from any management positions.
Well he was fired. I believe some states don't allow you to say why someone was fired, just how long they worked there. However any other state and they'd be able to ask why he was fired, which would guarantee that he'd never get management position without using the backdoor.
@@verdantwraith987 I received a reference request for an ex-employee who we had given two options. Either quit/retire or be fired. Why? Because we could never depend on when she would come to work. So, when the reference request (phone call) came in, I verified that she had been an employee, and when asked about her performance as an employee, I said, "Well, she performed her job well when she came to work". (I had asked HR what was safe to say if asked for a reference). Shortly after that, supervisors received notice from HR that, at the direction of the legal office, all requests for references were to be channeled through HR to ensure that all responses to those requests were generic.
It got worse when OP mentioned that he was on good terms with the site shift supervisors. A dynamic duo who knows someone of a lower position has influence comparable to their's without the fancy title? That's no different than a big target on OP's back.
Story 4: Funny how the wrong people end up in the power positions. Makes you wonder how the company is still alive, because dismissing mental problems is an easy way for a lawsuit or a firing to come
Story 2: A good manager does not single out an employee because "I don't like them." Steve (and Dave too, but it sounds like Steve is main issue here) needs to go because employees might quit because of his antics
The clueless manager needed more than re-training. He was a liability. The Americans with Disabilities Act protects employees. The worker that needed to wear a name badge away from his heart would be a big deal to ADA inspectors.
Had it been me, she said it to, I'd immediately deck her in the jaw as I suffer from Autism, ADHD, depression, social anxiety, schizophrenia, and paranoia.
How Story 1 Should Have Ended: Pacemaker Employee: Clueless Manager wants me to put my magnetic name tag in a place that could kill me. Boss: Take paid leave for the next two days. I'll sort him out by then. (Exit Pacemaker Employee. Boss picks up phone and calls Clueless Manager) Boss: Clueless Manager, I need you to go to a business meeting tomorrow in another state. Please see me in my office the day after that. I'll pay for your travel expenses. (Two days later...) Boss: Clueless Manager, I'm afraid I have some terrible news. Pacemaker Employee died of a heart attack because you told him to put his magnetic name tag over his pacemaker. (Clueless Manager's reaction leads to different scenarios) SCENARIO 1: Clueless Manager: Are you saying I killed him? I didn't mean to! I was just trying to enforce policy because it's important... I'm not saying it's more important than life, but... Oh God, what have I done? Boss: You were power tripping. Luckily, he's not actually dead. I told him to take yesterday and today off. Manager: So it was a prank? Boss: No, it wasn't a prank. It was a lesson in exactly what would have happened if your orders were followed, because at this point, nothing short of the shock of guilt would have taught you a lesson. Enlightened Manager: I'm sorry, I'll never do it again! SCENARIO 2: Clueless Manager: I guess he couldn't handle the rules. Boss: He's dead. Soulless Manager: At least he followed the rules for once. Boss: You're fired. This meeting has been recorded and will be forwarded to all your future potential employers. You'll never work in a position of power again. Get the hell out of my workplace!
Story 4: "I, as your new boss, do not believe in Mental Health" translate as "I am, most likely, a Narcissist because I am completely vond of Empathy".
Story 3 - I hate people like OP’s boss. I mean why bother hiring people with the required skills if you’re not even going to use them or let them do their job?
Story 3 didn’t completely check out for me. If OP was doing even the first bit of preventative maintenance in the beginning, the filters would be at the top of the list along with an oil change.
@@DaveVT5That part is a bit sketchy, but they did say it happened a week later, so it’s possible they were planning on changing it before their boss told them to stop performing maintenance.
About a few years ago (about a year before pandemic) I have a camper who was 9 at the time with a pacemaker. Us counselors were made aware in case the camper needed CPR. So yes young people can have/need pacemakers.
I was born with a heart murmur, though not significant I see no reason to believe that others couldn’t be born with heart conditions that do require intervention, such as a pace maker.
06:50 ... all clueless manager had to do was go to the uniform policy on the computer at his desk and see that the employees were correct. Wow, such a power trip he felt there was no need to double-check!
Story one.... In my US Navy hitch (early 1980s) I had two pregnant lady sailors in my shop at my final station ashore. The Navy is very stiff on uniform policy, but there are proper maternity uniforms, much as described by the OP. Clueless Manager was an idiot. It's good that he ultimately got fired. 😎👍
Story 2 a company (depending what state you live in) can charge you for damage to company vehicles IF you directly caused the damage AND they have to prove (in some cases) you caused said damage on purpose. If it was an accident then no they can't.
My twenty four year old apprentice has a heart monitor surgically implanted in his chest. When he finally came back after his surgery, he told me that if he were to drop dead at work. I am to take the box out of his pocket and place it over his chest so that it can record how he died. No mention of if I should start Chest compressions. His doctor called him a few weeks ago, telling him that he died over Saturday and Sunday night.
I had a coworker in his 60s who had a type of heart device installed that required periodic adjustment at the doctor's office. He'd say, "I gotto go in and get jump started." 😅
Story 4: When Helen first proposed giving OP the extra customer, they should have asked her to provide it in writing. Then OP could have presented their case to HR. With their health record and the absolute absurdity of of one person working two highly demand jobs, Helen would have gotten what's coming. If Helen ever did get her comeuppance, I just feel bad that OP didn't get to witness it. It would have been so great for them to say, "You know what they say about karma? Well it's a bigger one than you!"
I wished that manager was forced to attend sensitivity courses where he had to wear one of those weighted padded suits that makes you feel like you're pregnant as well as the electrodes they make feel like you're having contractions. After all that crap they did to those two in the first story and see how he likes it.
Agreed and also, the fact that he also forced a worker to wear a magnetic badge over the area where the pacemaker was located is a recipe for disaster.
That's a perfect way to learn compassion for pregnant workers, if only that contraction simulator would also do something that makes them dribble a little pee bc the baby kicks your bladder😅
Sensitivity course is a fraud. It will do nothing but to make the company think they already did something to the problem. And worse, the employee (manager) won't even take it seriously. A recorded reprimand will do much better job to discipline rogue manager, and as a reason for firing.
Story 4 Treating ANYONE that way is a good way to get slapped with a lawsuit and/or get fired - doing it to a Technical Architect shows a suicidal level of entitlement and stupidity!
Story1: My boyfriends friend has a pacemaker he has a serious heart condition, that can kill him he’s been told he won’t live a full life he might pass away young, and he’s had 9/10 open heart surgeries he’s only 22/23 years old. That ignorant response from the manager how wrong he very is.
Story 2 - You typically can't have your pay garnished for activities that are part of the normal course of business unless it's in your employment contract and even then, you can never be paid less than minimum wage. With rare exceptions, they can only garnish grossly negligent or illegal activities (stealing from the cash register, taking a truck off a sick ramp, etc).
OMG, last story, I once worked for a guy who was new to our city and so didn't have any local friends. He created a requirement that we have a "15 minute" check in at 5pm every day. Mind you some people got off earlier than 5. This went on for WEEKS and it was rarely 15 minutes because he would go on and on about all sorts of shit that wasn't related to work. 🙄
Story 1: While I am glad they had the support of staff and the time to deal with the clueless manager and were able to get him out, not everybody has that luxury. For those who don't, "No. Let us look up regulation in the employee handbook right now. We can solve this issue in five minutes by ensuring everybody is on the same page." And then document the interaction to ensure there is a paper trail.
I am snorting snorting at the first story omg!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Of course the name tag issue isn’t funny, but the visual image created from tucked in shirts with maternity pants showing or the hair tie trick, just had me rolling. Thanks!!
Re: The story about the mower. It could be about CYA. If the mower is repaired/serviced by a certified mechanic and someone/something is damaged in the future, it's covered by someone's insurance. If it's repaired/serviced by an uncertified employee and someone/something is damaged, both the company and the employee are on the hook.
Story 3: So, The boss is deels more credibility that the mechanic has the credentials than he view his maintenance employee who has the experience and the expertise. If this boss is so concerned about the costs of labor, why is he ordering that the mower go to the mechanic (which costs more than to have it fixed by his maintenance employee)? THIS is stupidity!
As for Helen... do you suppose that she knew that May is Mental Health Awareness Month and has been for 75 years? Managers are supposed to know these sorts of things.
Story 2 is an example of, boss or not, why wall-to-wall counseling should be administered to people like this. Yes, you might get fired, but physical consequences tend to leave an impression that bullshit will not be tolerated.
Story 1 I've grown to despise the phrase "if you have time to lean, you have time to clean" it's just a power trip from a busybody manager who gets kicks out of putting their employees under their thumb, I've gotten that phrase and was told to mop the freezer, with no training on how to do it properly, so I just moped it was hot water and floor cleaner, while it was still running, and that wash froze over
I laughed so hard at the first story because I knew where it was heading. Those bold and beautiful pregnant ladies strutting around in their tucked in shirts is priceless. I'm appreciating this story completely.
14:35 ... the fact OP mentioned Maglite "torches", this was in the UK or similar country that refers to flashlights as torches, so the laws regarding payment of damage by employees could be different over there.
Story 5 - I absolutely hate managers that think that face time = productive time. I was on a project that reached a crunch time, and everyone was universally required to stay until 7pm. On site. Without a dinner break. My area didn't have any work that would take 10 hours daily to do, I was struggling to fill 8 at the time. So my team took a dinner break, and returned just in time for one person to attend his meeting. He written up for that, which he immediately reported to HR. A day or two later, I was rolled off the project team because the client say me surfing the web too much on their time. I was grinning on the way to the airport, overjoyed at being released from that toxic environment. That was the worst project I'd ever worked on.
I used to work at the same company in story 1. NOT a good place to work. My direct managers were fine. Some were even great. But after a Karen made a stink about us not helping her with a fish tank that required us to be in close proximity to her and her partner who refused to wear masks at the height of the pandemic, claiming we were being 'racist' (She was of color, but her partner wasn't and we refused him too.) After that, we were basically forced to help anyone and everyone no matter what by the district manager. We were not allowed to enforce any mask policies. I quit because I had an at-risk family member at home and I wasn't endangering them or myself because of some horrible policy. If you can help it, don't work at the store in story 1. Bad Juju all around.
Story 1 - pacemakers. I have a second cousin who got hers at 4 years old... Her mother got hers that same year. Dad's side has some issues... You are not too young to need a pacemaker!
The first one was even worse because the clueless manager tried to come down on the two ladies for listening to him. Thank goodness the district manager came in and shut him up.
That last story is how it should be handled by people who have it happen to them, they weren't snarky, they didn't say that's wrong, they just took the L with grace, and bettered themselves from there.
omg boss one should never be in charge of people EVER no matter what setting. I worked retail and for a while I wore a lab coat while working up front when we had a chem photo machine. It saved many a shirt a pants from when I had to play scientist with it. But back to that cause I had to wear the lab coat from CVS they only went up to a certain size shoulder width before becoming WAY to large. First I am female, second I am 6ft tall, and 3rd I have a wide set of shoulders dont ask my why I just do. The coats were unisex and a 2xl fit me fine if I didnt wear the CVS polo under it to give my arms room to move. None of my mangers had issues with me wearing a graphic tshirt under it. Even got regulars wanting to know what crazy T I had on that day. I always kept it tame and I had a few fun ones like hello kitty.
That first story with the pregnant ladies and the dress code is now the second version that I've heard. The first version the district manager was male who saw the ladies on the shop floor. While this version the district manager was female and saw the ladies in the office. Everything else is basically the same.
Manager in story 1 reminded me of the HR Head that tried to make an OP leave her cardiac alert dog at home because “small dogs can’t be service dogs”. It is *literally* your job to know these things!!!
I mean, riding mower story, guy should have just driven off to 'the mechanic', replaced the part himself, and just invoiced his boss the couple hundred bucks himself lol.
Stories like these are mental fodder for my "things to absolutely never do as a manager" list. But, hey, I'm a manager who reads and enjoys r/antiwork. 😊
about 10 years ago I (supervisor) had a new hire (19m) have a stroke at work. I took one look at him and knew. Had EMTs come in hooked him up to some machine and immediately alarm on it goes off. He is currently having a heart attack as well (blood clot ran from heart to brain back to heart and down to legs). Anyway EMT takes him to the local (45 minute drive) hospital that claims its top notch for stroke and heart attacks, they sent him home saying he had a stomach bug, he never got out of the ER entrance before being dismissed. he also went to two other hospitals but with it being a weekend (possible holiday weekend, can't remember). before one of the hospitals (2nd one he went to) called and said to get to an ER immediately
About the “too young to have a pacemaker”, at 28 my sister started having trouble with her eyes. They were always bad she started wearing glasses in fourth grade. She finally went to the eye dr that had replaced her old dr and he didn’t find anything wrong. On the way out she commented on the appointment and the other eye dr overheard her and asked if he could take a look. He found the cataracts to his surprise but the other dr never checked her because she was too young. Two years later when she finally got the other eye done, the dr said it was one of the worst he’s ever seen and that’s what he specialized in. He was also surprised by how young she was but in the end it was a birth defect that caused them.
Dava and Steve are a fine example of the Peter Principle where people are promoted beyond their capabilities and totally suck at their new roles. But they took it to a new low with the harassment
Similar to that first story, I worked at a well known blue/white second hand store. We got a new assistant manager in that was a "follow my rules or you'll be fired" sort of guy. After about 3 months, we (regular employees) had made upwards of 20 complaints to HR about this man. Multiple people had been fired due to conflicts with him. For me, and a female associate, we had been getting together outside of work, assistant manager found out and because he was into her (gross cause she was like 19 and he was in his late 30s), decided to make our lives hell one day. I basically told him to F off before leaving for the day and then calling in to HR to make another complaint. HR ends up calling me a day or two later, after speaking to AM, and ask me about it. I f'd up here and said that the dude was an asshole and made me want to punch him in the face sometimes (saying this got me fired). Heard he was still with that company a few years later. Needless to say, I don't support that company anymore, and tell everyone I meet how terrible they treat their employees. They employ a lot of persons with disabilities as well, I can only imagine how poorly they can be treated. The company would even say our "competition" was stores like Target and Wal-Mart, not other second hand stores.
Story 4: actually the only was Hellen would know a fraction of OP's mental health issues was if she went through their medical history, which is (of course) illegal, and could land the company on federal charges
Tucked In Shirt Story: If I were OP, I'd have ignored Clueless Manager's instruction to tuck in my shirt and IMMEDIATELY called both his Boss and HR to File a Formal Complaint against him... Then I'd try finding a copy of the Company Dress Code Policy in case he saw me ignoring his instruction before his Boss and/or HR called him and told him he's wrong and I'm exempt from tucked in shirt Rule...if he did try Writing me up, I could pull out the Dress Code and show him in writing that I'm Exempt and he's wrong!
For the mower story, while not in the story, some time insurance can be voided if the repair arent done by a licenced proffessional. That might cause problem down the line
7:00 I've had people tell me that I'm lying about being blind, and that me wearing an eyepatch is rude. My left eye is so bad that it's causing my right eye to suffer and degrade, which is why I'm getting the eye fully removed later this year. No one has tried to physically grab my glasses/eyepatch off my face yet, but it's insane how many strangers try to tell me that they understand my body better than me when I'm the one who's lived with it for thirty years.
My understanding of employees being held financially responsible for company vehicles is that there must be “gross negligence”. If you curb a wheel or open the door into something, they can issue a reprimand and maybe take away your company car privileges if it becomes a pattern, but if you lose control at 110mph or smash the bumper off while intoxicated, now you’re financially responsible (and probably also fired and arrested).
3rd story: Preventive maintenance is KING! Better have a planned maintenance on a fixed schedule that works for your job, than an unplanned one that takes a week and a half on the worst moment because you could not be arsed and/or you are a cheapskate.
I got my pacemaker at 35, I had a boss try that with a name tag. I took off my shirt and showed my scare and the bump where my pacemaker sits in my chest.
Story 4: Well, Helen‘s best friend/manager appears to have taken a leaf out of Archchanchellor Ridcully‘s book, as he is „a strong believer in punishment by promotion“ (iirc, this is stated in _Going Postal,_ in one of the last chapters).
for all who are wondering about the earlier upload... error in editing near the end. its good now!🤓
I was barely 1 story in
Be nicer to stevo and that won't happen lol
@@mikejump2546 ^
Thank God! I can't do without my DarkFluff. I thought I was blocked.
Feed Stevo more😅
I can just hear Clueless Manager telling the pacemaker kid “ugh, you’re just flat-lining for attention. It’s disgraceful. Now get back to work!”
The kid could have just opened his shirt to show CM the scar on his chest from the operation.
My jaw just dropped to the ground hard. If this guy tried to pull that garbage at a government agency, he would've been half of one and done.
@@paulmoffat9306HE WOULD JUST FIRE HIM FOR "INDECENT EXPOSURE".
In her last year of life, my elderly Mother had a pacemaker installed. It made a very noticible squarish lump under her skin.
@@SLOTHSRIDEUNICORNS and he and the company would be sued into the ground for ADA violation
My father always says: if someone gives a stupid order just follow it. Then the person who gave the order looks like a fool.
I always ask for stupid orders in writing or email, so they can’t deny their directives in the future
@@Keiranhalycon A wise precaution.
Yep, I learned early on, GET IT IN WRITING! The first time this happened to me the boss denied giving me the stupid order, which I followed.
I sure hope your father doesn’t work in healthcare or any safety position. Making sure that stupid orders do not harm people is important!
@@stephanien6237 He worked for the government. Everything was documented in triplicate apart from the original. Reams of paper and huge registers were consumed. This was before computers.
I'm an ICU nurse. When someone with a pacemaker passes away, we use a magnet to disable it. so the manager was trying to kill the employee with his ignorance and stupidity.
Out of curiosity, why would you use a magnet, and not a specifically programmed RFID system? Just seems kinda dangerous to use something that common as a means of deactivation.
@@sebcalabro6252some pacemakers don't have a RFID system. So just use the next best thing.
I was hoping to hear from someone in health care! I'm not, but I do know about pacemakers and what magnets can do. Btw, the guy's comment that "young people don't need pacemakers" was absolutely ridiculous!
@@marinam.2293 i wonder if that manager knows about kids with cancer, he might wanna go tell them to stop faking it for attention /s
@@satansecretary665 🤣🤣🤣 And stop shaving their heads bald. Only Old men can go bald.
cluesless manager was incovenient on the first violation, but he was nearly DEADLY on the second!
Could he be sued for that? Risking the life of an employee because of your own views deserves more than just being fired
@@masterjunkoif it is a possibility of death caused by ignorance or malice, it's a lawsuit.
@@masterjunko Yes he can be Sued for Negligence nearly killing the kid, if the kid had died, he could also be Charged and Prosecuted for Criminal Negligence Causing Death...
And both times, he could have gotten the store sued into the ground.
@@masterjunko
It could be argued as attempted manslaughter.
Story 1 - I’m so glad that OP and the other cashier had the customers and coworkers behind them because everything that Clueless Manager did was sexist and possible for massive lawsuits. I hope that he was blacklisted from any management positions.
Well he was fired. I believe some states don't allow you to say why someone was fired, just how long they worked there. However any other state and they'd be able to ask why he was fired, which would guarantee that he'd never get management position without using the backdoor.
@@verdantwraith987 I received a reference request for an ex-employee who we had given two options. Either quit/retire or be fired. Why? Because we could never depend on when she would come to work. So, when the reference request (phone call) came in, I verified that she had been an employee, and when asked about her performance as an employee, I said, "Well, she performed her job well when she came to work". (I had asked HR what was safe to say if asked for a reference). Shortly after that, supervisors received notice from HR that, at the direction of the legal office, all requests for references were to be channeled through HR to ensure that all responses to those requests were generic.
Clueless manager is lucky he didn't end up in jail for that second violation...
Story 2 - The moment OP mentioned that Dave hired his buddy Steve as a mid manager, I already had a bad feeling.
It got worse when OP mentioned that he was on good terms with the site shift supervisors.
A dynamic duo who knows someone of a lower position has influence comparable to their's without the fancy title? That's no different than a big target on OP's back.
These stories remind me of the adage, "People don't quit jobs, they quit managers."
Story 4: Funny how the wrong people end up in the power positions. Makes you wonder how the company is still alive, because dismissing mental problems is an easy way for a lawsuit or a firing to come
"I'm not buying that old combat fatigue dodge." -Major Frank Burns
Parkinson's Law.
Story 2: A good manager does not single out an employee because "I don't like them." Steve (and Dave too, but it sounds like Steve is main issue here) needs to go because employees might quit because of his antics
Hard to run a company with few or no employees!
Story 1: Clueless Manager shouldn't have just been fired. He should have been jailed!
yeah, he could've killed someone by forcing them to wear a magnetic nametag WHEN THEY HAVE A PACEMAKER
The clueless manager needed more than re-training. He was a liability. The Americans with Disabilities Act protects employees. The worker that needed to wear a name badge away from his heart would be a big deal to ADA inspectors.
He didn't need re-training, he needed a full reprogramming.
Story 4: I would have walked out the moment she said she doesn’t believe in mental health. She doesn’t even sound human.
Had it been me, she said it to, I'd immediately deck her in the jaw as I suffer from Autism, ADHD, depression, social anxiety, schizophrenia, and paranoia.
How Story 1 Should Have Ended:
Pacemaker Employee: Clueless Manager wants me to put my magnetic name tag in a place that could kill me.
Boss: Take paid leave for the next two days. I'll sort him out by then.
(Exit Pacemaker Employee. Boss picks up phone and calls Clueless Manager)
Boss: Clueless Manager, I need you to go to a business meeting tomorrow in another state. Please see me in my office the day after that. I'll pay for your travel expenses.
(Two days later...)
Boss: Clueless Manager, I'm afraid I have some terrible news. Pacemaker Employee died of a heart attack because you told him to put his magnetic name tag over his pacemaker.
(Clueless Manager's reaction leads to different scenarios)
SCENARIO 1:
Clueless Manager: Are you saying I killed him? I didn't mean to! I was just trying to enforce policy because it's important... I'm not saying it's more important than life, but... Oh God, what have I done?
Boss: You were power tripping. Luckily, he's not actually dead. I told him to take yesterday and today off.
Manager: So it was a prank?
Boss: No, it wasn't a prank. It was a lesson in exactly what would have happened if your orders were followed, because at this point, nothing short of the shock of guilt would have taught you a lesson.
Enlightened Manager: I'm sorry, I'll never do it again!
SCENARIO 2:
Clueless Manager: I guess he couldn't handle the rules.
Boss: He's dead.
Soulless Manager: At least he followed the rules for once.
Boss: You're fired. This meeting has been recorded and will be forwarded to all your future potential employers. You'll never work in a position of power again. Get the hell out of my workplace!
Scenario 2 is basically how people treat people who are slow to comply with C*vid rules.
Story 4: "I, as your new boss, do not believe in Mental Health" translate as "I am, most likely, a Narcissist because I am completely vond of Empathy".
*void
devoid* of empathy
Yep
I think the Americans with Disabilities Act (In the US, that is...) would disagree with her!
Story 3 - I hate people like OP’s boss. I mean why bother hiring people with the required skills if you’re not even going to use them or let them do their job?
Probably the boss was not the owner. Any business owners would not miss the chance to squeeze their employee's worth.
it could actually be for warrantee issues, or there could be a company wide rule that only certified mechanics may look at it.
@@alamarxandal7525 Come to think of it, the mechanics may be members of organized crime and the whole thing may be money laundering scheme.🤔
Story 3 didn’t completely check out for me. If OP was doing even the first bit of preventative maintenance in the beginning, the filters would be at the top of the list along with an oil change.
@@DaveVT5That part is a bit sketchy, but they did say it happened a week later, so it’s possible they were planning on changing it before their boss told them to stop performing maintenance.
To turn off a pacemaker in an emergency, we place a magnet over it.
About a few years ago (about a year before pandemic) I have a camper who was 9 at the time with a pacemaker. Us counselors were made aware in case the camper needed CPR. So yes young people can have/need pacemakers.
I was born with a heart murmur, though not significant I see no reason to believe that others couldn’t be born with heart conditions that do require intervention, such as a pace maker.
06:50 ... all clueless manager had to do was go to the uniform policy on the computer at his desk and see that the employees were correct. Wow, such a power trip he felt there was no need to double-check!
Story one.... In my US Navy hitch (early 1980s) I had two pregnant lady sailors in my shop at my final station ashore. The Navy is very stiff on uniform policy, but there are proper maternity uniforms, much as described by the OP.
Clueless Manager was an idiot. It's good that he ultimately got fired. 😎👍
Malicious Compliance and Petty Revenge stories are always great for a smile and a laugh. Thanks for sharing these stories Fluff
Do you have we turn off pacers in an emergency in the ER? We place a magnet over it!
Story 3: penny-wise, but pound- foolish.
There are INFANTS with pacemakers. Clueless manager is indeed Clueless
Listening to the stories makes me happy that so far, I haven't had an awful boss yet
Don't jinx it 🙏
Story 2 a company (depending what state you live in) can charge you for damage to company vehicles IF you directly caused the damage AND they have to prove (in some cases) you caused said damage on purpose. If it was an accident then no they can't.
My twenty four year old apprentice has a heart monitor surgically implanted in his chest. When he finally came back after his surgery, he told me that if he were to drop dead at work. I am to take the box out of his pocket and place it over his chest so that it can record how he died. No mention of if I should start Chest compressions. His doctor called him a few weeks ago, telling him that he died over Saturday and Sunday night.
I had a coworker in his 60s who had a type of heart device installed that required periodic adjustment at the doctor's office. He'd say, "I gotto go in and get jump started." 😅
Barney Gumble (drinking straight from the tap with Moe gone): _"Opps! My heart stopped! ...........There it goes!"_
😂
I think Dave & Steve were feeling threatened by OP might get promoted so they decided to get as much dirt on him so it would make him an ineligible.
*ineligible
@@kranberry3318 thanks
Story 4: When Helen first proposed giving OP the extra customer, they should have asked her to provide it in writing. Then OP could have presented their case to HR. With their health record and the absolute absurdity of of one person working two highly demand jobs, Helen would have gotten what's coming. If Helen ever did get her comeuppance, I just feel bad that OP didn't get to witness it. It would have been so great for them to say, "You know what they say about karma? Well it's a bigger one than you!"
I wished that manager was forced to attend sensitivity courses where he had to wear one of those weighted padded suits that makes you feel like you're pregnant as well as the electrodes they make feel like you're having contractions. After all that crap they did to those two in the first story and see how he likes it.
Agreed and also, the fact that he also forced a worker to wear a magnetic badge over the area where the pacemaker was located is a recipe for disaster.
That's a perfect way to learn compassion for pregnant workers, if only that contraction simulator would also do something that makes them dribble a little pee bc the baby kicks your bladder😅
@@gothgirl4evr881 Well now, I'm sure we could have something arranged for that 😈
@@masterjunko excellent (said like Mr. Burns while tapping his fingertip together)🤣🤣🤣
Sensitivity course is a fraud. It will do nothing but to make the company think they already did something to the problem. And worse, the employee (manager) won't even take it seriously.
A recorded reprimand will do much better job to discipline rogue manager, and as a reason for firing.
I’m glad it worked out for OP in story 4 but she should have sued anyway.
Story 4 Treating ANYONE that way is a good way to get slapped with a lawsuit and/or get fired - doing it to a Technical Architect shows a suicidal level of entitlement and stupidity!
Story1: My boyfriends friend has a pacemaker he has a serious heart condition, that can kill him he’s been told he won’t live a full life he might pass away young, and he’s had 9/10 open heart surgeries he’s only 22/23 years old. That ignorant response from the manager how wrong he very is.
Story 2 - You typically can't have your pay garnished for activities that are part of the normal course of business unless it's in your employment contract and even then, you can never be paid less than minimum wage. With rare exceptions, they can only garnish grossly negligent or illegal activities (stealing from the cash register, taking a truck off a sick ramp, etc).
OMG, last story, I once worked for a guy who was new to our city and so didn't have any local friends. He created a requirement that we have a "15 minute" check in at 5pm every day. Mind you some people got off earlier than 5. This went on for WEEKS and it was rarely 15 minutes because he would go on and on about all sorts of shit that wasn't related to work. 🙄
Story 1: While I am glad they had the support of staff and the time to deal with the clueless manager and were able to get him out, not everybody has that luxury.
For those who don't, "No. Let us look up regulation in the employee handbook right now. We can solve this issue in five minutes by ensuring everybody is on the same page."
And then document the interaction to ensure there is a paper trail.
I am snorting snorting at the first story omg!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Of course the name tag issue isn’t funny, but the visual image created from tucked in shirts with maternity pants showing or the hair tie trick, just had me rolling. Thanks!!
Re: The story about the mower.
It could be about CYA.
If the mower is repaired/serviced by a certified mechanic and someone/something is damaged in the future, it's covered by someone's insurance.
If it's repaired/serviced by an uncertified employee and someone/something is damaged, both the company and the employee are on the hook.
I think these stories demonstrate that failing upward is the new merit badge.
Love listening to these stories while it’s slow at work
Story 3: So, The boss is deels more credibility that the mechanic has the credentials than he view his maintenance employee who has the experience and the expertise. If this boss is so concerned about the costs of labor, why is he ordering that the mower go to the mechanic (which costs more than to have it fixed by his maintenance employee)? THIS is stupidity!
I worked for the double t phone co. One time I was written up for spider webs two weeks after working on a terminal in the middle of a field.
As for Helen... do you suppose that she knew that May is Mental Health Awareness Month and has been for 75 years? Managers are supposed to know these sorts of things.
Story 2 is an example of, boss or not, why wall-to-wall counseling should be administered to people like this.
Yes, you might get fired, but physical consequences tend to leave an impression that bullshit will not be tolerated.
Story 1 I've grown to despise the phrase "if you have time to lean, you have time to clean" it's just a power trip from a busybody manager who gets kicks out of putting their employees under their thumb, I've gotten that phrase and was told to mop the freezer, with no training on how to do it properly, so I just moped it was hot water and floor cleaner, while it was still running, and that wash froze over
I laughed so hard at the first story because I knew where it was heading. Those bold and beautiful pregnant ladies strutting around in their tucked in shirts is priceless. I'm appreciating this story completely.
Well, that guy with the lawn mower must work for the government.
21:59 classic case of falling up.
The boss in the mower story is pretty much the definition of the expression "Penny wise, pound foolish."
14:35 ... the fact OP mentioned Maglite "torches", this was in the UK or similar country that refers to flashlights as torches, so the laws regarding payment of damage by employees could be different over there.
#1 The first one was nuisance. The second one could get the company sued.
Story 5 - I absolutely hate managers that think that face time = productive time. I was on a project that reached a crunch time, and everyone was universally required to stay until 7pm. On site. Without a dinner break. My area didn't have any work that would take 10 hours daily to do, I was struggling to fill 8 at the time. So my team took a dinner break, and returned just in time for one person to attend his meeting. He written up for that, which he immediately reported to HR. A day or two later, I was rolled off the project team because the client say me surfing the web too much on their time. I was grinning on the way to the airport, overjoyed at being released from that toxic environment. That was the worst project I'd ever worked on.
I used to work at the same company in story 1. NOT a good place to work. My direct managers were fine. Some were even great. But after a Karen made a stink about us not helping her with a fish tank that required us to be in close proximity to her and her partner who refused to wear masks at the height of the pandemic, claiming we were being 'racist' (She was of color, but her partner wasn't and we refused him too.)
After that, we were basically forced to help anyone and everyone no matter what by the district manager. We were not allowed to enforce any mask policies. I quit because I had an at-risk family member at home and I wasn't endangering them or myself because of some horrible policy.
If you can help it, don't work at the store in story 1. Bad Juju all around.
The pacemaker thing can be considered attempted murder.
One of my good friends has had a pace maker since he was 8 yrs old, that pissed me off too Fluff.
Story 1 - pacemakers. I have a second cousin who got hers at 4 years old... Her mother got hers that same year. Dad's side has some issues... You are not too young to need a pacemaker!
Third Story: That boss is so dumb not to recognize that OP is an asset to his business by saving him tons of money by doing repairs in-house.
Well that is when you ask your horrible boss to demonstrate how it needs to be done.
Clueless manager? More like attempted murder manager with the pace maker xD
The first one was even worse because the clueless manager tried to come down on the two ladies for listening to him. Thank goodness the district manager came in and shut him up.
That last story is how it should be handled by people who have it happen to them, they weren't snarky, they didn't say that's wrong, they just took the L with grace, and bettered themselves from there.
Management can really make a job unbearable.
omg boss one should never be in charge of people EVER no matter what setting. I worked retail and for a while I wore a lab coat while working up front when we had a chem photo machine. It saved many a shirt a pants from when I had to play scientist with it. But back to that cause I had to wear the lab coat from CVS they only went up to a certain size shoulder width before becoming WAY to large. First I am female, second I am 6ft tall, and 3rd I have a wide set of shoulders dont ask my why I just do. The coats were unisex and a 2xl fit me fine if I didnt wear the CVS polo under it to give my arms room to move. None of my mangers had issues with me wearing a graphic tshirt under it. Even got regulars wanting to know what crazy T I had on that day. I always kept it tame and I had a few fun ones like hello kitty.
That first story with the pregnant ladies and the dress code is now the second version that I've heard.
The first version the district manager was male who saw the ladies on the shop floor. While this version the district manager was female and saw the ladies in the office. Everything else is basically the same.
Story 2 - having a union, Dave and Steve probsbly couldn't have been fired, but why weren't they demoted?
Manager in story 1 reminded me of the HR Head that tried to make an OP leave her cardiac alert dog at home because “small dogs can’t be service dogs”. It is *literally* your job to know these things!!!
Golden rule of employment: if your boss tells you to do something counterproductive, make sure its in writing
story 3: gotta love that "leave it to the pro's" mentality.
CM: Young people don't have pacemakers.
Me in that situation: Wanna see the surgical scar?
Boss wanting mower taken to the mechanic all the time. Sounds to me someone maybe getting kickbacks.
I mean, riding mower story, guy should have just driven off to 'the mechanic', replaced the part himself, and just invoiced his boss the couple hundred bucks himself lol.
For clueless manager, being young doesn’t make a person Immune, especially for various heart conditions
Story #4 sounds like the company I work for. 😂
Story #3: Just because you are SAE certified doesn't mean you know how to problem solve or otherwise know what you are doing. XD
Story 1: Classic MC!😂😂😂
Stories like these are mental fodder for my "things to absolutely never do as a manager" list. But, hey, I'm a manager who reads and enjoys r/antiwork. 😊
story 3: penny wise, dollar foolish
bosses burn dollars to save pennies
I have no idea why they do this either
probably tunnel vision stupidity
I don't understand how people like clueless manager ever get hired in the first place
about 10 years ago I (supervisor) had a new hire (19m) have a stroke at work. I took one look at him and knew. Had EMTs come in hooked him up to some machine and immediately alarm on it goes off. He is currently having a heart attack as well (blood clot ran from heart to brain back to heart and down to legs). Anyway EMT takes him to the local (45 minute drive) hospital that claims its top notch for stroke and heart attacks, they sent him home saying he had a stomach bug, he never got out of the ER entrance before being dismissed. he also went to two other hospitals but with it being a weekend (possible holiday weekend, can't remember). before one of the hospitals (2nd one he went to) called and said to get to an ER immediately
About the “too young to have a pacemaker”, at 28 my sister started having trouble with her eyes. They were always bad she started wearing glasses in fourth grade. She finally went to the eye dr that had replaced her old dr and he didn’t find anything wrong. On the way out she commented on the appointment and the other eye dr overheard her and asked if he could take a look. He found the cataracts to his surprise but the other dr never checked her because she was too young. Two years later when she finally got the other eye done, the dr said it was one of the worst he’s ever seen and that’s what he specialized in. He was also surprised by how young she was but in the end it was a birth defect that caused them.
Dava and Steve are a fine example of the Peter Principle where people are promoted beyond their capabilities and totally suck at their new roles. But they took it to a new low with the harassment
the saying is "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." 1st story was more "make foolish rules, look like a fool"
Similar to that first story, I worked at a well known blue/white second hand store. We got a new assistant manager in that was a "follow my rules or you'll be fired" sort of guy. After about 3 months, we (regular employees) had made upwards of 20 complaints to HR about this man. Multiple people had been fired due to conflicts with him. For me, and a female associate, we had been getting together outside of work, assistant manager found out and because he was into her (gross cause she was like 19 and he was in his late 30s), decided to make our lives hell one day. I basically told him to F off before leaving for the day and then calling in to HR to make another complaint. HR ends up calling me a day or two later, after speaking to AM, and ask me about it. I f'd up here and said that the dude was an asshole and made me want to punch him in the face sometimes (saying this got me fired). Heard he was still with that company a few years later.
Needless to say, I don't support that company anymore, and tell everyone I meet how terrible they treat their employees. They employ a lot of persons with disabilities as well, I can only imagine how poorly they can be treated. The company would even say our "competition" was stores like Target and Wal-Mart, not other second hand stores.
Story 4: actually the only was Hellen would know a fraction of OP's mental health issues was if she went through their medical history, which is (of course) illegal, and could land the company on federal charges
Tucked In Shirt Story: If I were OP, I'd have ignored Clueless Manager's instruction to tuck in my shirt and IMMEDIATELY called both his Boss and HR to File a Formal Complaint against him...
Then I'd try finding a copy of the Company Dress Code Policy in case he saw me ignoring his instruction before his Boss and/or HR called him and told him he's wrong and I'm exempt from tucked in shirt Rule...if he did try Writing me up, I could pull out the Dress Code and show him in writing that I'm Exempt and he's wrong!
Helen's last name must've been Frye: every time OP had to go to her office, he could say that he had been told to go to...Helen Frye
For the mower story, while not in the story, some time insurance can be voided if the repair arent done by a licenced proffessional. That might cause problem down the line
TBH a lot of companies can charge a employee for damage to a company vehicle IF it is PROVEN that the damage was through negligence or deliberate.
6:15 this guy is going to run a red light for conspiracy one day 😅
7:00 I've had people tell me that I'm lying about being blind, and that me wearing an eyepatch is rude.
My left eye is so bad that it's causing my right eye to suffer and degrade, which is why I'm getting the eye fully removed later this year. No one has tried to physically grab my glasses/eyepatch off my face yet, but it's insane how many strangers try to tell me that they understand my body better than me when I'm the one who's lived with it for thirty years.
14:50 In the US, it is wage theft and you cannot charge the deductible to an employee, but the employee can sue your butt
My understanding of employees being held financially responsible for company vehicles is that there must be “gross negligence”. If you curb a wheel or open the door into something, they can issue a reprimand and maybe take away your company car privileges if it becomes a pattern, but if you lose control at 110mph or smash the bumper off while intoxicated, now you’re financially responsible (and probably also fired and arrested).
I would of said NO and let them fire me and then sue for wrongful termination
3rd story: Preventive maintenance is KING! Better have a planned maintenance on a fixed schedule that works for your job, than an unplanned one that takes a week and a half on the worst moment because you could not be arsed and/or you are a cheapskate.
The first one sounds right for the store
I got my pacemaker at 35, I had a boss try that with a name tag. I took off my shirt and showed my scare and the bump where my pacemaker sits in my chest.
S3 Is the lousy mechanic passing on a cut of the money he is looting from the company? To OP's manager?
Laughed out loud! Well done, Fluffy! xx 🎉
Story 4: Well, Helen‘s best friend/manager appears to have taken a leaf out of Archchanchellor Ridcully‘s book, as he is „a strong believer in punishment by promotion“ (iirc, this is stated in _Going Postal,_ in one of the last chapters).
Last story: The boss must have been on the runt from an insane asylum!