One thing I never got is Shepard didn't have to die. If you choose to destroy the reapers why get closer when you have a gun with unlimited ammo? So your bullets do slightly more damage? Because you enjoy the feel of fire against your skin? Did you think it was a moving target? Was it a personal vendetta against the thing? There's no good reason for walking up to the fucking explosion!
I don't think it really mattered. You see the Citadel explode in the final cutscene anyway, so it was a choice between us seeing him die in that first explosion, or assuming he dies in the following Citadel explosion. Also, it makes it much better if you assume the unlimited ammo is just gameplay segregation. In universe, the gun didn't have unlimited ammo, we as players just couldn't be trusted with finite ammo in that situation.
From what I gathered, BioWare needed 3 years to develop Mass Effect 3, but EA gave them 2 years because EA needed the sales figures from Mass Effect 3 earlier.
Jack Madaj There's a reason why EA is consistently voted one of the worst companies in America year after year. In 2012 and 2013, it was voted THE worst company in America back to back.
Jack Madaj If that's the case then bioware should have stayed with the combat animation from me2. A proper dev would realize its priorities in a story driven rpg.
I always don't get the total hate of EA. Sure, they cut corners. Yeah, micro Transactions. Yes, they squeeze the life out of franchises. But Capcom is far, far worse when it comes to gaming politics. Loads of DLC (Disc Locked Content)? Check. Street Fighter IV? Check. Cancel 5 Mega-Man games? Check. Street Fighter IV Turbo? Check Ruin the Devil May Cry series? Check. Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition? Check. Ruin the resident Evil Series? Check. Super Street Fighter IV Ultimate? Check Even more DLC (Disc Locked Content)? Check. Marvel V. Capcom 3 (no Mega-Man: polotics)? Check. 'Ultimate' Marvel V. Capcom 3 less than a year later? Check Spelling errors and lazy box art (watermarks)? Check. Super Street Fighter IV Ultra Super Cool SlimJim Doritos Edition? Check. Tekken X Street Fighter DLC (Disc Locked Content)? Check. Don't take the effort to port great games? Check. At least with EA, you have a wealth of games to choose from: FPS games, Shooting games, horror games, racing games, fighting games, fantasy games, RPGs, Sci-Fi games, etc. With Capcom, if you don't particularly enjoy fighting games, then Capcom is not the company for you. Both companies release games that can be broken at times, but at least EA has the politeness to tell you you're going to get fucked over. Capcom just doesn't care about the millions of us that decry Disc Locked Content. Fuck Capcom.
The ending of Mass Effect 3 is a what happens when EA pressures a game to be released and they don't have enough time. I bet Bioware had an actual ending but they ran out of time and had to rework the ending to meet a deadline. The Mass Effect series is amazing until the last 10 minutes of it.
Then The Extended Cut DLC came out, and I agree with JeremyJahns I didn't get everything I wanted out of it, but it was enough to satisfy me. And didn't the actual ending they planned have to do with the over-usage of mass relays causing dark energy to go out of control destroying the whole space-time continuum? Which doesn't make much sense either, why would the reapers create the mass relays and then wipe out all these species for using them?
Again the ending and reason for the Reapers just doesn't make sense. You can even make a friendly alliance with the Geth and Quarians which totally contradicts the little boy saying machines will always revolt against their creators. I haven't played the DLC yet but that is because the ending ruined all motivation to play it again.
KevinKoolx Just watch the extended cut endings on youtube and/or Angry Joe and JermeyJahns's videos on the DLC, that's what I did before deciding I'd re-play Mass Effect 3.
SnakeEater866 That's partially true. It wouldn't have destroyed the space-time continuum, but the imbalance of dark energy caused by the use of Mass Effect technology would've caused all the stars in the galaxy to age a lot faster than they should have. Haestrom's sun in ME2 was actually supposed to foreshadow this plot point. Harbinger has a lot of little taunts and battle quotes that he says whenever you kill the Collector that he's "assuming direct control" of. One of them is something along the lines of "You cannot stop the great darkening" which was supposedly a reference to all the stars in the galaxy going out.
SnakeEater866 I'm personally convinced that even with the "dark energy" ending, the ending to Mass Effect 3 still would of been flat out silly (So... You guys created the Mass Relays and discovered that they have release Dark Energy that controls the Galaxy... Can't you just turn them off? Or destroy them yourself (since, logically, they would know how to safely deconstruct them...)? No... No, harvesting is the only way? ...Da fuck?) and the Indoctrination Theory still would of came about since it would sound like the Reapers were lying. The Reapers' motivation should of been left vague; Finding out the Reapers' motives, contrary to popular belief, was NEVER a goal. The goal was stop them. It adds more horror and dread if you don't know, exactly, why they do what they do... And for the love of god ANY kind of "noble" goal is just stupid.
Reaper's motivation: We're robots who are going to kill you every 50,000 years so you don't get killed by other robots. Because organics will always create robots who will destroy them (cough...Geth & Quarians). If you haven't already come across it, I'd recommend the MEHEM mod if you didn't like the canon ending.
ksdhfaklsdhfah adfadfasfdaf They emphasize numerous times that they only get rid of sapient life, so sapient life doesn't create A.I that destroys all life. Don't say it makes sense, but it's not THAT stupid
great stories dont have fairy tale endings. All roads are flawed, all roads leave pain. Much like the decisions you make in life. There are no perfect solutions, only decisions that the bravest amongst us shoulder the burden of making, and, more so, live with the consequences. Most objectors hate the ending because they dont understand it so I will try to explain. The reapers represented the "ultimate solution" to humankinds salvation, To kill off advanced species before they could develop dangerous AI that surpassed reaper technology and wipe out all organics. (Effectively making the reapers the "shepards" of mankind, beautiful storytelling) For countless cycles, time after time, this has been the solution to keep the threat of universal destruction at bay. No organic has been able to best them since there inception, presumably billions of years in the making. Until now. for the first time, an organic, shepard, was able to best the reapers. The reapers, the "shepards" of the galaxy had been dethroned. No longer could they hold claim to the future of the galaxy. The decision for humanity's future now rests with commander shepard. Shepard has before him 1 of 3 paths. No path can be perfect, because humanity in and of itself is not perfect. One path may lead to the galaxy and beyond being destroyed while one may allow humanity to live in peace throughout time. It is impossible to know which path will lead to salvation or destruction. This is the ultimate ending. This is the ultimate choice that not only you as the player has made up to this point, but any being in the history of this fictional universe has made. This decision, and the consequences that follow, now belong to you. If you think the ending doesnt make sense because "everyone would starve", you're missing the bigger picture. This isnt about any crews you brought together, it's not about joker, liara or anyone on the Normandy. every choice, every sacrifice, you've made up until now has been to get shepard to this point. Those people you've met, the armys youve assembled all of it was to get you to this one point, this one decision. The entirety of everything in existence is at risk and you, the player, hold this decision in the palm of your hand. You wanted your decisions to hold weight? Bioware literally let you decide the fate of EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE.
+ Travis Mohan BEST ENDING EVER! but wait, let's make 16 different versions of that where there's a little dialogue here and there that's partaly different with 3 different endings that make boiware and ea feel the pain... MAKE THEM FEEL THE PAIN!
Pretty wild how things go: just finished a full series playthrough of the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition, and now I'm back to this video that, in many ways, launched Jeremy to stardom. Crazy! ME: LE is 10/10 btw. Go play it.
The thing I hate about the ending is how they just make Shepard nod their head to whatever the God Child says. Especially when Shepard themself before this confrontation proved the God Child's circular logic wrong... repeatedly. What happened to the Shepard who looked Harbinger straight in the eyes and said "Maybe you're right. Maybe we can't win this. But we will fight you regardless! Just like we did Sovereign! Just like I'm doing now! However insignificant we might be. We will fight. We will sacrifice. And we will find a way! That's what Humans do."? What happened to the Shepard who when they met the unstoppable force they pushed back?
Story architecture 101: Never introduce new plot points/characters near the end, and always have the hero play a fundamental part in resolving the story's conclusion.
Just finished playing the trilogy. Always wondered why people hate the Mass Effect 3 ending. Now I know why. I chose the destroy ending only so that Shepard could live. If Shepard was able to still be alive in the synthesize ending, I would have chosen that since that seems to be the noble, life lasting and peaceful ending. In the Destroy ending, you may destroy the reapers but you kill all synthetics like EDI and the Geth and like the blue kid said, future generations will build synthetics only to repeat this. Assuming control of the reapers could be risky considering that it may control Shepard eventually like it did with Illusive man. The synthesize ending seems to be the better ending but it would have been a perfect ending had Shepard lived in that ending. I mean, humans could coexist between the synthetics like EDI and the Geth. Not to mention that the reapers help in rebuilding life back again. Synthetic ending + Shepard living would have been the best ending. Hands down!
Sorry but I despise the Synthesis ending. The game was never about performing an act of galactic eugenics but rather about uniting a diverse galaxy against a common threat.
Synthesis came out of nowhere; sure the illusive man was trying to control them, but the entire time we were trying to destroy them. Plus I mean Shepard saving the geth and the quarians, and how Edi and legion develop as characters kinda give the middle finger to the dues ex machinas logic, and they die because of this kid. The control ending is interesting to me, destroy is what we were trying to do the entire time, and the way it was done was bullshit; the citadel DLC is the true ending to my story since this shit exists. I feel like when I shoot that conduit and die, my Shepard woke up next to Liara in bed at the end of the citadel DLC (Shepard was having nightmares the whole game).
Guys, it's almost March of 2014, and we're still talking about this shit ending. Not saying Jeremy is, but I've noticed that on forums, comments and other websites that this ending is STILL being discussed. Why? Because we loved the rest so much, and the degree to which we hate the ending is directly proportional to the degree that we loved the first 98%.
ins't this depressing? imagine if they got the ending right, if everyone like it, man i can see the spin offs that would have been made, one investigation/adventure game with garrus and liara maybe even with kaidan or ashley as protagonist(so you chose one of then to play, if you choose one the other is dead to the story line), a stealth with thane or kaidan as he is the commander of the biotics division the special force, or even a "beat then up" action on FP or TP telling random stories of jack, wrex, samara and grunt, after or before they meet shepard, would be awesome seeing than having badass moments against pirates mercenaries and cerberus, but we will never nothing of this because EA/biowere screw up the ending, they make a game that you see the ending and want to throw everything away
i was on a train the other day and overheard a bunch of guys talking about the me3 ending...one of them said "yea im pretty sure the amount of people who disliked the ending were a minority"...i had to say "sorry didnt help but over hear...but name another game where the fan base was so pissed of they had to add extra content to the ending so anybody even had a clue what was going on"
I just barely finished the game a week ago and even with 2 years warning that the ending sucked I still was ill prepared for how horrible the ending is. It's just so bad when compared to how good the whole series was that you could never see it coming :(
PV Phoenix If you had all that warning, why didn't you download the free Extended Cut DLC that fixes the ending? That's what I did and I actually really enjoyed the ending as a result. I was never exposed to the rushed mess everybody got and hated.
16 DIFFERENT ending.... but, that would have suggested they care.... what a very weird thought to have over a year after I finished puking from beating the game. All this was probably 90% EA pushing it out the door on hindsite. Just look what they did/are doing to Battlefield 4.
Nerg man yes..and i actually i like to play a sequel but the thing is we should have some kind of conclusion before sequel..i mean what was the point of all that "destroy marker home" if it was for nothing....although i liked that twist in the end....:p lets see if dead space 4 comes out...lol
This doesn't make sense if you consider the DLCs that came out. Every DLC was pre-ending and had nothing to do with the ending itself except the Extended Cut which was free.
***** Not in the extended cut, but that's the only ending i ever experienced, so from my point of view, I like the ending.. (I did get the "perfect ending", though)
It's crazy to think that this is the video I found you with Jeremy. Your clear and concise review of ME 3 was exactly how I felt and it made me watch some of your other reviews which I enjoyed thoroughly as well so I subscribed. And now you're at a over 1 million subs and i watch your videos the day they come out. It's just weird and awesome that 4 years ago you had 76,000 and now over a million. Congratulations man
It's not worse. Indoctrination is a mental attack on Shep by the Reapers. It's not a dream. The concept of indoctrination was set up in the first game and was a theme throughout all three games. So please, tell me how it's "worse?"
To be honest , ME3 builds up EVERYTHING that points to motherfucking INDOCRINATION . James hears the Hum , on the ending Shepard gets those dark things on the side of the screen , dreams with Ghostly Shadows all around . Oh man ...fuck Bioware up the butt , they fucked Dragon Age , now they fucked ME3 .....what a sin
This is the video that made me follow this channel. It's been all uphill since then. Jermy, I know you won't see this, but thanks for all the work you've put into your channel over the years. I have enjoyed your content for many years now. My favorite segments were tales from the comment section and the wierd game show you did, Awesometacular. The review you did for Solo was also pretty clever and I'll never forget it. Thanks again.
I'm so happy this was the first video of Jeremy's that I've ever watched. I then knew I was destined to watch all of them repeatedly. Thanks Jeremy for your videos being so addicting.
Commander Shepard *Reaper Scream* *Speaks very Loudly* Shepard... (You realize I am not dead? Techniqually YOU are :) ) I believe I should continue to harvest people who reply to me and others... By the way Shepard..Earth is a very nice planet, Well Was until My Fleets encountered it. Shepard? Your Relationship with (No Clue :P) Won't last for long be sure to check (Her) Him more often. Remember you are bacteria! End Communications...(Log Off)
12 years later, just started playing again. ME is, regardless to the ultimate ending, a great game. Knowing that ultimately we have no control opens us up to dream.
So yeah, the last 5 minutes are really lame. The issue with focusing on this is that the previous 49 hours and 55 minutes are absolutely wonderful. The whole game is essentially one giant 3rd act for just about every story arc the player guided through their play through of the first 2 games. I thought the game was pretty amazing and set the proper tone throughout as the galaxy devolved into smaller and smaller corners of safe harbors. Yeah, I wish the game ended with the beginning of a thousand year war but it looks like we might be getting that with ME4.
Jeremy Shepard does live if you pick the destroy ending with enough galactic readiness. The Official Collector's edition guidebook given to us from Bioware says Shepard lives with that ending. And as far as I'm concerned, that absolutely confirms the indoctrination theory. That means that Shepard would have survived the explosion of the Crucible and The Citadel, then survived MOTHERFUCKING SPACE. Then survived burning through the atmosphere and hitting the ground at terminal velocity. Buuuuuuullllshhhhiiiiit. Oh wait, Shepard has experienced this before, in the opening of ME2, when he, you know, DIED. Sure it's easy to think that the Indoctrination theory is just a desperate attempt to understand the ending, but this piece of evidence is just irrefutable.
He said all the things I was thinking a few years ago when I first finished the game and still think right now. It would have been better if they made a paragon, neutral and renegade ending. Paragon: cliché happy end with reapers dead, no mass relays destroyed, synthetics still alive, shepard getting a medal, listening to politicians talk for hours and some romantic last moment with their loved one, whoever it is they dated. Renegade: destroying reapers, mass relays, all synthetic life, commander shepard dies too and that's it. The crew will be ignored in all this. Fast forward a few centuries and there's this random school teacher at the end who teaches a history class talking about Commander Shepard and how he/she was the most controversial person ever in history. Neutral: I dunno. Letting Reapers go, show a peaceful rebuilding scene on different worlds, Shepard getting along with his crew. That scene fades out and there's a scene of how Reapers attack again, 50.000 years later. Sigh. This'll never happen.
I just remember talking to some friends about the ending but having one friend who hadn't finished and didn't want me to spoil it so I just asked "did you guys pick red, blue or green?" and we all knew what that meant. It's sad when you're ending can be broken down to the same ending with literally a different coat of paint.
Man, Jeremy, I remember making a comment that described you as a War Asset worth 60,000-70,000 because I loved the video and that's how many subscribers you had at the time. That was my first video watching you. And now you're breached a million. Come a long way, man. And it's been awesome.
they should of based the new mass effect on........the son/daughter of shepherd and whomever Your love interest was. so you could play as the son of shepherd and miranda or the daughter of shepherd and jack.
Omfg. You said it like it is. I just finished last night my first playthrough of all 3 games I did it it in a row took me about 2 months and this video is the only thing that echoes how dissapointed I feel with the god damned ending. Right on. Said it like it is.
+Smoke House If you play on the PC, you should look into mods. There are at least three major mods for the endings that I know of: MEHEM, JAM, and LIME. They're on www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/categories/? , among other places. I'm doing my first replay of the trilogy and am planning on having JAM installed, plus the "Citadel DLC as an Epilogue" mod, and its really reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the games. I'm actually looking forward to playing, now.
This is the video that brought me to JeremyJahns. This is the video that started my 3 year long subscription to his channel. I'd never heard of him before. Hell, I'd never really paid any attention to the TH-cam review scene. But now it's my only source of video game reviews.
I think after playing the same character for over 100 hours (since each game is around 40hours) I actually wanted a happy ever after ending. At this point what was even the point of the paragon/renegade system. For me the best ending would have been a fully happy ending for paragon Sep (he/she lives and everyone lives) and for renegade Sep the ultimate sacrifice (he dies every1 else lives) since even renegade Sep was a hero, an ass but a hero. Oh well... that's how it ends in my mind :')
This deserves more views. May I also add that your war assets deserved closure? Like seeing Rachni soldiers deal some damage or elcor carrying gattling guns... Instead of the same crap...
+Johnny Zhu The war assets were a shame. I thought they'd use them like they did the upgrades in ME2....but rather they just cheaped out. I mean you recruited different races, I can't believe that had nothing to do with the final battle. No different results depending on the groups you recruited, no seeing Rachni in the final battle. Nope we shipped off all those awesome races to build stuff...
1:13 "...because you did everything right in the game" - the point of Mass Effect story structure is that there are multiple ways to handle a situation / different choices / responses. Because of this, doing "what is right" and doing "what is wrong" is not a standard that can really be used IMO, because the "right" and "wrong" of the game is determined by the player and the choices they make. Is it "wrong" to not do the Grissom Academy immediately, leaving a character to an unpleasant fate? How about the Geth / Quarian conflict resolution? WITH THAT IN MIND - how do you create an ending that will not create an artificial standard of right and wrong, possibly "penalizing" certain players who made certain choices? I think the ending was always fated to disappoint because of this. The ending we got (which with Extended Cut and the Leviathan DLC makes a lot of sense to me now), was an attempt to please everybody, and ironically, because of the very nature of the Mass Effect franchise IMO, wound up (initially) pleasing almost nobody.
I had time so I did that in one week. Talk about movie experience... (except for the fucking ending, at least the extended cut made it a bit more tolerable)
lol yep. I actually did a recording of forum posts on the ME3 romance and have another to be uploaded on how much people hated it. Was soooo disappointed.
After my first play through, and seeing how it all ends. Now that I knew that my choices didn't matter, and my chosen love interest (Miranda), ended up alone despite my promise to not die. I played a second time, and when I got to the sanctuary mission, I chose to go with Miranda's sister being saved, but Miranda dying, along with the chance to some day having a family with Shepard dying with her. After her death, my good Shepard, went total renegade, because he didn't care anymore. That's how depressed the ending, made me. I thought that maybe Shepard lives, retires and lives happily ever after, with Miranda at his side, while him and Garrus talk about the good old days. When Shepard and Garrus talk before the final mission, they both mentioned that they would like to retire from a life of saving the galaxy, so I thought maybe that might happen. But, after seeing the ending and realizing how fucked up it was. I decided to say fuck it, and have good Shepard turn bad, and has a death wish for the rest of the game, because the love of his life died. Well at least gets his Bioware forced wish in the end. I know Miranda couldn't get pregnant, but they could always adopt. Damn it Bioware, fix the endings so that the game ends the way we wanted.
If you're playing on PC, there's actually something called the Happy End Mod, in which you blow the Reapers and ONLY the Reapers up, you get your Shepard rescued and you get a bittersweet ending in which your Shep, badly wounded and all, is the one who has to place Andersson's plate on the Normandy Memorial Wall.
10 years later and the ending still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Sure the extended cut at least made it more manageable I was happy enough to say ' okay that's that then' but the chose you colour and boom that's it, I was so disappointed
This was actually the video that brought me to this channel ages ago when I was pissed about mass effect. Every now and then I like to come back and re watch it. It’s also the video that made me want to make videos myself.
I think your rage is the point of this game. The story is a straw man against humanism. It doesn't matter that we think we're the galaxy's savior and that we think we know how to solve the reaper problem. In the end, if we're doomed, then we're doomed. And we're probably doomed. We're supposed to be angry. It's a kick in the nuts, just like such a realization in real life would be. Learning that choice doesn't matter, even though we always thought it did is supposed to be disappointing. The ending's twist is a philosophical change from humanism to fatalism. I thought it was worthwhile.
You're over thinking it. I isn't some kind of philosophical ending. It was a lie and giant middle finger to fans. Thank god, or science if anyone gets butt hurt over the G word, they fixed the ending.
this was pretty much what i realized as i was playing the ending recently for the first time. In life, we have a shit ton of choices. but we cant really choose when to die. mass effect pretty much slapped us in the face with reality. like yeah you did this and that, but tbh guy, it doesnt matter. you really dont have a choice in how it plays out. granted, doesnt change the fact that 16 different endings should have been 16 DIFFERENT endings. a clear GOOD ending, maybe sheppard convinced the ai to work with him or something. unrealistic, but then again, being a pure paragon, with maximum survivors, and maximum war effort or w/e should convince "God" to help save us, where as my half assed, renegade for life,punch ppl in the face would have gotten the ending he deserved. shrugs. it took me weeks to accept that such a huge part of my life was over. i do think mass effect was the greatest trilogy ever. game movie whatever. it hurt to end..angry happy whatever. kudos
I was a late bloomer and just finished the game. I just walked through the beam and got the synthesis ending. Soooo disappointed. I kind of wanted the destroy ending but I didn't realise you had to shoot lol But the lack of choices was bullshit
your not alone. i just played through all of them over the past year for the first time. they have quickly become my favorite trilogy. BUT the ending to 3 was disappointing.
3 years (well, 2 and half, whatever) and I still hate Mass Effect. Wow, I cant believe myself, I loved that game. How could this happen? Garrus save me!
Zing Freelancer i see your side, i remember being half way through ME2 and having 38h in that one game alone, after finishing all 3 nearly 100 hours or more, and then you give me an ending like that, i chose control of the reapers thinking i could have quick repair of the relays for transport but apparently the citadel, reapers and i go to a corner of the local cluster and open a casino , but it deffinatley felt like my choices of the 3 games made no end game difference other than which one or two surviving crew members come out after joker (surprisingly no broken bones) walks out, (and seeing other endings the destroy synthetic life has no affect on EDI or Liria), and despite my ME1 ME2 krogan mission choises they did not supply me with grunt in ME3
Zing Freelancer I'm replaying the ME series right now. Just re-met Tali in ME3. The story is great, some issues but it works, the character interactions are great. The gameplay is great (barring ME1). The ending sucks.
I personally think the ending was bad for many reasons listed already by many people. If some of you are happy with it, fine. To me, it made no sense. Take another example of a movie you all probably like : Star Wars. Ok, just imagine that kind of ending for episode 6 : Luke meets the Emperor, he doesn't fight Dark Vador because the Emperor only gives him three options : die, die or die (red, blue or green lightning color). Luke dies by the end of the Emperor. Then you see Leia and Han on a planet you don't know and you don't even know why there are here nor what happened to the rest of the crew. Staff roll. Would that make sense? NO.
Sorry to say it but the story to the entire Mass Effect trilogy is a lot more detailed and intricate than that of the story of all 6 of the Star Wars movies, they are hardly comparable. So of course what you said made no sense.
@Dedal Donnager there's a lot of reasons why this ending sucks besides Shepard death but everything who defends this ending says is "so you wanted a disney type of ending".
Dedal Donnager and that’s stupid. Part of choices is to have an ending where there’s a good/best outcome. Dragon Age origins had it and me 3 should’ve had it too. Only being able to achieve one outcome further proves that the choices never mattered
Just a quick clarification, Shepard's crew run from the effects of the crucible because of what is mentioned in the game "we do not know if such a big gun will only destroy the Reapers, or both of us", and the only one who decides and knows what will be targeted is Shepard. Organics and Synthetics are targeted in Synthesis (the point of sacrificing yourself, adding an extra target to the crucible, because since Mass Effect 2, Shepard is both organic and synthetic hybrid because of the reconstruction), Synthetics on Destroy, and the Reapers on Control. So, I consider the Synthesis ending the best just because of my choices on the rest of the game, in Extended Cut you see destroy ending is the Paragon one (chosen by Anderson by the Shepard's flashback) and Control as the Renegade one (chosen by the Illusive Man in the flashback) and the Synthetic neutral (more Paragon-ish for me) in the way you don't have to doom both. I let the geth to live and made peace with the quarians, as I see that destroy targets all synthetics, I didn't choose that, as pointed by Shepard, should everyone gain freedom of choice, just the organics, or everyone except those transformed into Reapers? I choose everyone, organics, synthetics, the Reapers and the Crucible (as it is an AI) should both have freedom from the cycle and also help rebuilding everything destroyed and share the knowledge from past civilizations and the tecnology from the Reapers themselves. I romanced Liara (Male Shep), so I figured it out, in synthesis every life in the galaxy becomes "networked" on their knowledge (like the Geth), and she wanted to know everything she could on the Protheans, as the Protheans are in fact, part of the current Reaper form, I gave her unlimited knowledge about them, their civilization, tech, and etcetera. In some way this also freed her from being the Shadow Broker. Also, I made Joker to seek relationship with EDI, so Destroy was not an option (EDI's name appear on the Normandy's memorial on Destroy), and for one, I enjoyed that Joker finally made true his love with the ships from the Alliance (one of them atleast). And to make Legion sacrifice worth, I didn't destroy the geth, and also Mordin, since Wrex and Eve now can co-ordinate with every other Krogan the reconstruction of Tuchanka. About Garrus, I don't think there is much to be said, other than finally enjoy with Tali (without her suit, whooo) in that beachfront in the quarian homeworld, the Citadel is supposedly reconstructed on Synthesis and there is no threat of total extintion of organic life since it does not exist any more. Pretty much, the best ending in that way, plus everyone is now inmortal. I only feel guilty for not be able to "undo an eternity of mourning", sorry Liara, but anyway you would have lived more than Shepard anyway, probably 6 times the 150 years of the humans in that era, or more.
Kip Higginson The "disengage and get the hell out of there" thing was only in the extended cut DLC, not in the original ending, this video was made on the original.
Ironic, I love the ending for the exact same reasons you hate it. You’re no longer in control, you’re not getting that happy ending you want, you spend your whole game getting your way that when reality finally hits you in the face, you hate it. To me that’s beautiful. You’re engaging with forces far superior to your own, you have no choice but to agree to the terms and conditions given to you. What we want and deserve is irrelevant and that’s what adds to the magic of the ending.
I’m not sure how to feel about it yet. My war assets bar was completely full, but apparently a few hundred points shy of my Shepard surviving the destroy option, which is what I picked on my first play through of the series. The fact that he doesn’t survive left me torn. I had built such a strong bond with Tali through all three games that she became my driving force to want to kill the reapers and survive. So I could be with her. Also to be with my squad mates that I’ve bonded with through our journey. Not only that, but I only felt comfortable destroying the reapers because I proved I could bring a galaxy together for a greater cause, so I felt like I could take the chance of being able to stop the inevitable chaos that the star child warned about if the reapers were destroyed. I don’t feel like I hate the game, or the developers for the decisions presented to me, just sucks that I thought I did enough to survive and get the ending I wanted. In that sense I feel incomplete in my journey. However, making a few different decisions here and there could’ve got me the ending I would’ve been satisfied with. The fact that I’m going this in depth with this comment shows how great the series is even if you weren’t satisfied with the ending. Now think to yourself, how many people do you think die in real life are satisfied or would be satisfied with their ending? I like the way you summed it up though. This comment comes a day after I beat the Legendary edition and all I can think about is this game and how my Shepard is dead, and how that’s bugging me lol. He deserved a chance to create his own life. Pass along his genetics. That bums me out that Tali had to put my name on the wall as a casualty of war.
I lost all my love for Bioware because of this game. I was so psyched, ready for 20 radically-different 10-minute long endings. That was what we wanted, and that is pretty much was they were promising on records. What I got left me so sick with disappointment that I have not picked up ME 1 or 2 since then. They were my favorite games until I got 3. Multiplayer was not asked for, but they shoved it in. They included Kinect, even though the game was totally playable without it. There was so much they missed, and so much unneeded. Sorry, Bioware. You were gold. Now, you are just another (EA-owned) developer.
10 out of 10 on that Garrus voice!
+MelodyMilan he is awesome in mimicry
I'm still surprised he hasn't done any official VO work.
5:27 10 years later and I still remember it haha
Not right now !
One thing I never got is Shepard didn't have to die. If you choose to destroy the reapers why get closer when you have a gun with unlimited ammo? So your bullets do slightly more damage? Because you enjoy the feel of fire against your skin? Did you think it was a moving target? Was it a personal vendetta against the thing? There's no good reason for walking up to the fucking explosion!
That is a damn good point.
I don't think it really mattered. You see the Citadel explode in the final cutscene anyway, so it was a choice between us seeing him die in that first explosion, or assuming he dies in the following Citadel explosion.
Also, it makes it much better if you assume the unlimited ammo is just gameplay segregation. In universe, the gun didn't have unlimited ammo, we as players just couldn't be trusted with finite ammo in that situation.
Just2Eyez uu78
6 years late but bio said somewhere that shep survives in the destroy ending
Obviously you don’t pay attention he would die anyways be he is part synthetic
Your Garrus impression is just perfect!
I know, it was just spot on.
I came here to say this. It's perfect.
"My 76,000 subscribers" LOL. JJ sure has come a long way in three years!
lol right! now it's 1 million
@@RoddyRodbb uh
@@spycheck uh
@@SavageDragon999 uh
... well
I bet EA rushed the game out and didnt give Bioware enough time to finish the ending, i mean its happened before **cough cough** Battlefield 4.......
From what I gathered, BioWare needed 3 years to develop Mass Effect 3, but EA gave them 2 years because EA needed the sales figures from Mass Effect 3 earlier.
Jack Madaj There's a reason why EA is consistently voted one of the worst companies in America year after year. In 2012 and 2013, it was voted THE worst company in America back to back.
don't blame it on ea. A non logical ending has nothing to do with EA. Its a writers fuckup and not a publishers.
Jack Madaj If that's the case then bioware should have stayed with the combat animation from me2. A proper dev would realize its priorities in a story driven rpg.
I always don't get the total hate of EA. Sure, they cut corners. Yeah, micro Transactions. Yes, they squeeze the life out of franchises. But Capcom is far, far worse when it comes to gaming politics.
Loads of DLC (Disc Locked Content)? Check.
Street Fighter IV? Check.
Cancel 5 Mega-Man games? Check.
Street Fighter IV Turbo? Check
Ruin the Devil May Cry series? Check.
Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition? Check.
Ruin the resident Evil Series? Check.
Super Street Fighter IV Ultimate? Check
Even more DLC (Disc Locked Content)? Check.
Marvel V. Capcom 3 (no Mega-Man: polotics)? Check.
'Ultimate' Marvel V. Capcom 3 less than a year later? Check
Spelling errors and lazy box art (watermarks)? Check.
Super Street Fighter IV Ultra Super Cool SlimJim Doritos Edition? Check.
Tekken X Street Fighter DLC (Disc Locked Content)? Check.
Don't take the effort to port great games? Check.
At least with EA, you have a wealth of games to choose from: FPS games, Shooting games, horror games, racing games, fighting games, fantasy games, RPGs, Sci-Fi games, etc. With Capcom, if you don't particularly enjoy fighting games, then Capcom is not the company for you. Both companies release games that can be broken at times, but at least EA has the politeness to tell you you're going to get fucked over. Capcom just doesn't care about the millions of us that decry Disc Locked Content. Fuck Capcom.
The ending of Mass Effect 3 is a what happens when EA pressures a game to be released and they don't have enough time. I bet Bioware had an actual ending but they ran out of time and had to rework the ending to meet a deadline. The Mass Effect series is amazing until the last 10 minutes of it.
Then The Extended Cut DLC came out, and I agree with JeremyJahns I didn't get everything I wanted out of it, but it was enough to satisfy me. And didn't the actual ending they planned have to do with the over-usage of mass relays causing dark energy to go out of control destroying the whole space-time continuum? Which doesn't make much sense either, why would the reapers create the mass relays and then wipe out all these species for using them?
Again the ending and reason for the Reapers just doesn't make sense. You can even make a friendly alliance with the Geth and Quarians which totally contradicts the little boy saying machines will always revolt against their creators. I haven't played the DLC yet but that is because the ending ruined all motivation to play it again.
KevinKoolx Just watch the extended cut endings on youtube and/or Angry Joe and JermeyJahns's videos on the DLC, that's what I did before deciding I'd re-play Mass Effect 3.
SnakeEater866 That's partially true. It wouldn't have destroyed the space-time continuum, but the imbalance of dark energy caused by the use of Mass Effect technology would've caused all the stars in the galaxy to age a lot faster than they should have. Haestrom's sun in ME2 was actually supposed to foreshadow this plot point.
Harbinger has a lot of little taunts and battle quotes that he says whenever you kill the Collector that he's "assuming direct control" of. One of them is something along the lines of "You cannot stop the great darkening" which was supposedly a reference to all the stars in the galaxy going out.
SnakeEater866 I'm personally convinced that even with the "dark energy" ending, the ending to Mass Effect 3 still would of been flat out silly (So... You guys created the Mass Relays and discovered that they have release Dark Energy that controls the Galaxy... Can't you just turn them off? Or destroy them yourself (since, logically, they would know how to safely deconstruct them...)? No... No, harvesting is the only way? ...Da fuck?) and the Indoctrination Theory still would of came about since it would sound like the Reapers were lying.
The Reapers' motivation should of been left vague; Finding out the Reapers' motives, contrary to popular belief, was NEVER a goal. The goal was stop them. It adds more horror and dread if you don't know, exactly, why they do what they do... And for the love of god ANY kind of "noble" goal is just stupid.
Marauder Shields and the Three Husketeers. Never forget their sacrifice. As they tried in vain to protect us from the ending.
Only now do I regret killing them.
Yo what if not killing them leads to a better ending? :0
Reaper's motivation: We're robots who are going to kill you every 50,000 years so you don't get killed by other robots. Because organics will always create robots who will destroy them (cough...Geth & Quarians).
If you haven't already come across it, I'd recommend the MEHEM mod if you didn't like the canon ending.
ksdhfaklsdhfah adfadfasfdaf For a highly evolved race of space-robot-ship-things, that would just suck as motivation.
ksdhfaklsdhfah adfadfasfdaf They emphasize numerous times that they only get rid of sapient life, so sapient life doesn't create A.I that destroys all life. Don't say it makes sense, but it's not THAT stupid
And you prove them wrong anyway, if you manage to create peace between the Quarians and Geth.
Zero Cool Well, Just as idiotic as the reapers like the old galactic saying says: "Synthetics are like Creators"
great stories dont have fairy tale endings.
All roads are flawed, all roads leave pain. Much like the decisions you make in life. There are no perfect solutions, only decisions that the bravest amongst us shoulder the burden of making, and, more so, live with the consequences.
Most objectors hate the ending because they dont understand it so I will try to explain.
The reapers represented the "ultimate solution" to humankinds salvation, To kill off advanced species before they could develop dangerous AI that surpassed reaper technology and wipe out all organics. (Effectively making the reapers the "shepards" of mankind, beautiful storytelling)
For countless cycles, time after time, this has been the solution to keep the threat of universal destruction at bay. No organic has been able to best them since there inception, presumably billions of years in the making. Until now.
for the first time, an organic, shepard, was able to best the reapers. The reapers, the "shepards" of the galaxy had been dethroned. No longer could they hold claim to the future of the galaxy. The decision for humanity's future now rests with commander shepard.
Shepard has before him 1 of 3 paths. No path can be perfect, because humanity in and of itself is not perfect. One path may lead to the galaxy and beyond being destroyed while one may allow humanity to live in peace throughout time. It is impossible to know which path will lead to salvation or destruction.
This is the ultimate ending. This is the ultimate choice that not only you as the player has made up to this point, but any being in the history of this fictional universe has made.
This decision, and the consequences that follow, now belong to you.
If you think the ending doesnt make sense because "everyone would starve", you're missing the bigger picture. This isnt about any crews you brought together, it's not about joker, liara or anyone on the Normandy. every choice, every sacrifice, you've made up until now has been to get shepard to this point. Those people you've met, the armys youve assembled all of it was to get you to this one point, this one decision.
The entirety of everything in existence is at risk and you, the player, hold this decision in the palm of your hand. You wanted your decisions to hold weight? Bioware literally let you decide the fate of EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE.
I just pretend Citadel DLC is the real ending to the trilogy
you and me both
instead of the citadel commander Shepard transports to bioware office and beats the writers with the script.
+ Travis Mohan BEST ENDING EVER! but wait, let's make 16 different versions of that where there's a little dialogue here and there that's partaly different with 3 different endings that make boiware and ea feel the pain... MAKE THEM FEEL THE PAIN!
New Mass Effect "4" game announced... "ALT+F4" Star Child and I'll think about it. lol
It's been 3 fucking years and I (and I'm sure many others) am still mad. There is no peace from this rustling.
+Sbroffotraz Lol why?The Leviathan DLC and extended cut effectively fixed the endings.
+Sbroffotraz At least you HAVE an ending. 8 years and still no Half Life 3 conclusion for me. But ya it still sucks
+Sbroffotraz The JAM mod for the ending saved it for me. That plus the mod that lets you play the Citadel DLC/Citadel party as an epilogue.
+Sbroffotraz -- Amen, and amen.
+Sbroffotraz An entire franchise and universe destroyed with a middle finger to the the fanbase. All in like 7 minutes.
Pretty wild how things go: just finished a full series playthrough of the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition, and now I'm back to this video that, in many ways, launched Jeremy to stardom. Crazy! ME: LE is 10/10 btw. Go play it.
DAT GARRUS IMPRESSION!!!!!!!!!!!!
from 76,000 from when this was made to 673,000 today. well done jeremy
And now he's at 1.3 million... Doubled in 2 years, not bad given how high it was.
5:16 "If someone play good for the entire time, they should earn a good ending !"
You said it all !
Nah.
@@balabanasireti Care to explain why you're replying to six year old comments, Mr. Braindead EA fanboy?
But we need our expectations subverted so that we can learn and accept disappointment. It's a good life-lesson.
@@BoleDaPole You buy movies and video games and books to be disappointed by them?
The thing I hate about the ending is how they just make Shepard nod their head to whatever the God Child says. Especially when Shepard themself before this confrontation proved the God Child's circular logic wrong... repeatedly. What happened to the Shepard who looked Harbinger straight in the eyes and said "Maybe you're right. Maybe we can't win this. But we will fight you regardless! Just like we did Sovereign! Just like I'm doing now! However insignificant we might be. We will fight. We will sacrifice. And we will find a way! That's what Humans do."? What happened to the Shepard who when they met the unstoppable force they pushed back?
Story architecture 101: Never introduce new plot points/characters near the end, and always have the hero play a fundamental part in resolving the story's conclusion.
Yea OK Homer, this isn't ancient Greece, we are tired of seeing the good guy rescue the girl and slay the beast to save the world.
@@BoleDaPole Who's 'we'? Who do you represent?
@@BoleDaPolespeak for yourself, dingdong.
76k subs? 2 years later, and he's approaching half a mill....well done, Jeremy. Proud of you, bud.
This was one of his videos that got him that half a mil subs :)
I'm extremely proud of Jeremy being as popular as he is. He is entertaining to listen to. Congrats Jeremy!
***** he copied Angry Joe. But he is funnier :)
Alec jones
How the FUCK did he copy Angry Joe?
Carl John Im not talking about the style you dipshit. Im talking about the points they made good god.
Just finished playing the trilogy. Always wondered why people hate the Mass Effect 3 ending. Now I know why. I chose the destroy ending only so that Shepard could live. If Shepard was able to still be alive in the synthesize ending, I would have chosen that since that seems to be the noble, life lasting and peaceful ending.
In the Destroy ending, you may destroy the reapers but you kill all synthetics like EDI and the Geth and like the blue kid said, future generations will build synthetics only to repeat this.
Assuming control of the reapers could be risky considering that it may control Shepard eventually like it did with Illusive man.
The synthesize ending seems to be the better ending but it would have been a perfect ending had Shepard lived in that ending. I mean, humans could coexist between the synthetics like EDI and the Geth. Not to mention that the reapers help in rebuilding life back again. Synthetic ending + Shepard living would have been the best ending. Hands down!
Sebastian Joseph Well I got the good control ending, so it is better than destroy every synthetic, but Shepard sacrifices himself, and that's sad.
Sorry but I despise the Synthesis ending. The game was never about performing an act of galactic eugenics but rather about uniting a diverse galaxy against a common threat.
Synthesis came out of nowhere; sure the illusive man was trying to control them, but the entire time we were trying to destroy them. Plus I mean Shepard saving the geth and the quarians, and how Edi and legion develop as characters kinda give the middle finger to the dues ex machinas logic, and they die because of this kid.
The control ending is interesting to me, destroy is what we were trying to do the entire time, and the way it was done was bullshit; the citadel DLC is the true ending to my story since this shit exists. I feel like when I shoot that conduit and die, my Shepard woke up next to Liara in bed at the end of the citadel DLC (Shepard was having nightmares the whole game).
I feel like its all an indoctrination trick, and the only way to stop the reapers for good is the destroy ending
word!!
YES! This series has all the feels, only to leave you feeling crushed and cheated in the end. Bosh'tet!
Personally I felt good laying my life for Joker in the sythesis ending. If my bro is happy I'm happy
Guys, it's almost March of 2014, and we're still talking about this shit ending. Not saying Jeremy is, but I've noticed that on forums, comments and other websites that this ending is STILL being discussed. Why? Because we loved the rest so much, and the degree to which we hate the ending is directly proportional to the degree that we loved the first 98%.
ins't this depressing? imagine if they got the ending right, if everyone like it, man i can see the spin offs that would have been made, one investigation/adventure game with garrus and liara maybe even with kaidan or ashley as protagonist(so you chose one of then to play, if you choose one the other is dead to the story line), a stealth with thane or kaidan as he is the commander of the biotics division the special force, or even a "beat then up" action on FP or TP telling random stories of jack, wrex, samara and grunt, after or before they meet shepard, would be awesome seeing than having badass moments against pirates mercenaries and cerberus, but we will never nothing of this because EA/biowere screw up the ending, they make a game that you see the ending and want to throw everything away
i was on a train the other day and overheard a bunch of guys talking about the me3 ending...one of them said "yea im pretty sure the amount of people who disliked the ending were a minority"...i had to say "sorry didnt help but over hear...but name another game where the fan base was so pissed of they had to add extra content to the ending so anybody even had a clue what was going on"
Jakeson prcek
I just barely finished the game a week ago and even with 2 years warning that the ending sucked I still was ill prepared for how horrible the ending is. It's just so bad when compared to how good the whole series was that you could never see it coming :(
PV Phoenix If you had all that warning, why didn't you download the free Extended Cut DLC that fixes the ending? That's what I did and I actually really enjoyed the ending as a result. I was never exposed to the rushed mess everybody got and hated.
This was the first Jeremyjahns video I saw
I stumbled across this video almost 4 years ago and have been a fan ever since
16 DIFFERENT ending.... but, that would have suggested they care.... what a very weird thought to have over a year after I finished puking from beating the game. All this was probably 90% EA pushing it out the door on hindsite. Just look what they did/are doing to Battlefield 4.
Ultima IX suffered the same thing, EA went and changed everything.
"What's a PALADIN"?!?!?!?!
"I'm not entirely sure."
Collider Special sent me here. You too?
+HeyTray1 definitely
Same. I've never seen this video before. I was curious after hearing about it on Collider.
+HeyTray1 i really want to see this special now. Were they talking about Mass Effect?
Ea ruined dead space 3 as well.
yeah....
I actually liked Dead Space 3 because the story was very well done.
Nerg man yes but ending was stupid...and it solved nothing at all...instead it was hinting a sequel...
Yeah true there seems to be a pattern with them not wanting to end their series.
Nerg man yes..and i actually i like to play a sequel but the thing is we should have some kind of conclusion before sequel..i mean what was the point of all that "destroy marker home" if it was for nothing....although i liked that twist in the end....:p lets see if dead space 4 comes out...lol
this is EA's ending all they care is for money. just sad
This doesn't make sense if you consider the DLCs that came out. Every DLC was pre-ending and had nothing to do with the ending itself except the Extended Cut which was free.
3 years ago this was the video that introduced me to your channel
Relays blowing up would destroy the solar system, the armada was destroyed..
But Magneto got his powers back... Shepard lives!
If a mass relay is destroyed it would destroy a system......dammit EA
But the mass relays didn't get destroyed.
***** Not in the extended cut, but that's the only ending i ever experienced, so from my point of view, I like the ending.. (I did get the "perfect ending", though)
It’s been 12 years since I found this video and discovered Jeremy, Mass Effect and BioWare as a whole. Crazy.
That Garrus voice was PERFECT XD
great garrus impression
I know, I squee'd :)
The ending was really trash -_- all those hours spent on that for those garbage endings :p
It's crazy to think that this is the video I found you with Jeremy. Your clear and concise review of ME 3 was exactly how I felt and it made me watch some of your other reviews which I enjoyed thoroughly as well so I subscribed. And now you're at a over 1 million subs and i watch your videos the day they come out. It's just weird and awesome that 4 years ago you had 76,000 and now over a million. Congratulations man
i love his comment about the 76,000 subscribers, my how far we've come...
I loved the indoctrination theory, tho
+Sexual Potatoes My primary issue with it is how it's more of the "it was all a dream" type of ending. Which, in my opinion, is even worse.
It's not worse. Indoctrination is a mental attack on Shep by the Reapers. It's not a dream. The concept of indoctrination was set up in the first game and was a theme throughout all three games. So please, tell me how it's "worse?"
To be honest , ME3 builds up EVERYTHING that points to motherfucking INDOCRINATION . James hears the Hum , on the ending Shepard gets those dark things on the side of the screen , dreams with Ghostly Shadows all around . Oh man ...fuck Bioware up the butt , they fucked Dragon Age , now they fucked ME3 .....what a sin
Flopper Gamers
It's a shame the lead writer and project director just locked themselves away from everyone else to get the ending out.
You know , if BioWare instead of rewriting the game because of the leaked plot before releasse , I think they would have done a better job at it
You should really review the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series! :)
Keilan Baine KOTR 2 made no damn sense.
It didn't. IT was a weird ass game
Keilan Baine Agree 100%
Hi joker, I am coming for you.
Keilan Baine they only released like half of KOTOR 2 there was a whole bunch more slated but they pushed it out way to fast
This video right here, this is what got me watching this channel. 11 years has just flown by.
76,000??...Damn Jeremy, you've sure come a long way in just four years.
I just played through the legendary edition, and this video still holds true
This is the video that made me follow this channel. It's been all uphill since then. Jermy, I know you won't see this, but thanks for all the work you've put into your channel over the years. I have enjoyed your content for many years now. My favorite segments were tales from the comment section and the wierd game show you did, Awesometacular. The review you did for Solo was also pretty clever and I'll never forget it. Thanks again.
I'm so happy this was the first video of Jeremy's that I've ever watched. I then knew I was destined to watch all of them repeatedly. Thanks Jeremy for your videos being so addicting.
I’m here in 2018 and still pissed
Still relevant in 2023.
Jeremy, EA Rushed Bioware If they had maybe 7 or 8 more months would make it better.
I would have preferred that now looking at the mass effect 3 ending
1985 Charles Barkley I don't see what there is to comment on using "So". If they had more time they could have made it A LOT better
how is the afterlife Harbinger?
Commander Shepard *Reaper Scream* *Speaks very Loudly* Shepard... (You realize I am not dead? Techniqually YOU are :) ) I believe I should continue to harvest people who reply to me and others... By the way Shepard..Earth is a very nice planet, Well Was until My Fleets encountered it. Shepard? Your Relationship with (No Clue :P) Won't last for long be sure to check (Her) Him more often. Remember you are bacteria! End Communications...(Log Off)
Harbinger how would I be dead? I am clearly alive right now, by the way, were you trying to indoctrinate me, just wondering
12 years later, just started playing again. ME is, regardless to the ultimate ending, a great game. Knowing that ultimately we have no control opens us up to dream.
So yeah, the last 5 minutes are really lame. The issue with focusing on this is that the previous 49 hours and 55 minutes are absolutely wonderful. The whole game is essentially one giant 3rd act for just about every story arc the player guided through their play through of the first 2 games. I thought the game was pretty amazing and set the proper tone throughout as the galaxy devolved into smaller and smaller corners of safe harbors. Yeah, I wish the game ended with the beginning of a thousand year war but it looks like we might be getting that with ME4.
Jeremy Shepard does live if you pick the destroy ending with enough galactic readiness. The Official Collector's edition guidebook given to us from Bioware says Shepard lives with that ending.
And as far as I'm concerned, that absolutely confirms the indoctrination theory. That means that Shepard would have survived the explosion of the Crucible and The Citadel, then survived MOTHERFUCKING SPACE. Then survived burning through the atmosphere and hitting the ground at terminal velocity. Buuuuuuullllshhhhiiiiit.
Oh wait, Shepard has experienced this before, in the opening of ME2, when he, you know, DIED.
Sure it's easy to think that the Indoctrination theory is just a desperate attempt to understand the ending, but this piece of evidence is just irrefutable.
Could also be a result of bullshit writing.
Your Garus impression is perfect you just need the double voice thing
If I’m not mistaken this video blew up and BioWare actually acknowledged it, hence the extra ending slides that were added post launch
He said all the things I was thinking a few years ago when I first finished the game and still think right now. It would have been better if they made a paragon, neutral and renegade ending. Paragon: cliché happy end with reapers dead, no mass relays destroyed, synthetics still alive, shepard getting a medal, listening to politicians talk for hours and some romantic last moment with their loved one, whoever it is they dated. Renegade: destroying reapers, mass relays, all synthetic life, commander shepard dies too and that's it. The crew will be ignored in all this. Fast forward a few centuries and there's this random school teacher at the end who teaches a history class talking about Commander Shepard and how he/she was the most controversial person ever in history. Neutral: I dunno. Letting Reapers go, show a peaceful rebuilding scene on different worlds, Shepard getting along with his crew. That scene fades out and there's a scene of how Reapers attack again, 50.000 years later. Sigh. This'll never happen.
I just remember talking to some friends about the ending but having one friend who hadn't finished and didn't want me to spoil it so I just asked "did you guys pick red, blue or green?" and we all knew what that meant. It's sad when you're ending can be broken down to the same ending with literally a different coat of paint.
2022 and I still hate the Mass Effect 3 ending.
Man, Jeremy, I remember making a comment that described you as a War Asset worth 60,000-70,000 because I loved the video and that's how many subscribers you had at the time. That was my first video watching you.
And now you're breached a million.
Come a long way, man. And it's been awesome.
76,000 subscribers... Now it's over 900,000... Good job Jeremy. :)
ME4, Andromeda galaxy.......Just throwin it out there. I'm sure someone could make a theory from that.
It's funny cos mass effect andromeda is a thing XD
HOLY SHIT ITS A PSYCHIC!
they should of based the new mass effect on........the son/daughter of shepherd and whomever Your love interest was. so you could play as the son of shepherd and miranda or the daughter of shepherd and jack.
Hello, I'm from the future, they fcked it up too!!!
Omfg. You said it like it is. I just finished last night my first playthrough of all 3 games I did it it in a row took me about 2 months and this video is the only thing that echoes how dissapointed I feel with the god damned ending. Right on. Said it like it is.
+Smoke House If you play on the PC, you should look into mods. There are at least three major mods for the endings that I know of: MEHEM, JAM, and LIME. They're on www.nexusmods.com/masseffect3/mods/categories/? , among other places. I'm doing my first replay of the trilogy and am planning on having JAM installed, plus the "Citadel DLC as an Epilogue" mod, and its really reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the games. I'm actually looking forward to playing, now.
LITERALLY THE SAME THING FOR ME RN EXCEPT 5 MONTHS AFTER YOU'!!!
This is the video that brought me to JeremyJahns. This is the video that started my 3 year long subscription to his channel.
I'd never heard of him before. Hell, I'd never really paid any attention to the TH-cam review scene. But now it's my only source of video game reviews.
I think after playing the same character for over 100 hours (since each game is around 40hours) I actually wanted a happy ever after ending. At this point what was even the point of the paragon/renegade system. For me the best ending would have been a fully happy ending for paragon Sep (he/she lives and everyone lives) and for renegade Sep the ultimate sacrifice (he dies every1 else lives) since even renegade Sep was a hero, an ass but a hero.
Oh well... that's how it ends in my mind :')
This deserves more views. May I also add that your war assets deserved closure? Like seeing Rachni soldiers deal some damage or elcor carrying gattling guns... Instead of the same crap...
+Johnny Zhu The war assets were a shame. I thought they'd use them like they did the upgrades in ME2....but rather they just cheaped out. I mean you recruited different races, I can't believe that had nothing to do with the final battle. No different results depending on the groups you recruited, no seeing Rachni in the final battle. Nope we shipped off all those awesome races to build stuff...
Probably my favorite video on his channel.
1:13 "...because you did everything right in the game" - the point of Mass Effect story structure is that there are multiple ways to handle a situation / different choices / responses. Because of this, doing "what is right" and doing "what is wrong" is not a standard that can really be used IMO, because the "right" and "wrong" of the game is determined by the player and the choices they make. Is it "wrong" to not do the Grissom Academy immediately, leaving a character to an unpleasant fate? How about the Geth / Quarian conflict resolution?
WITH THAT IN MIND - how do you create an ending that will not create an artificial standard of right and wrong, possibly "penalizing" certain players who made certain choices? I think the ending was always fated to disappoint because of this. The ending we got (which with Extended Cut and the Leviathan DLC makes a lot of sense to me now), was an attempt to please everybody, and ironically, because of the very nature of the Mass Effect franchise IMO, wound up (initially) pleasing almost nobody.
76k subscribers at the time he made this?
Wow he came a long way
That moment you didnt play the games and you dont understand anything.
me
Desmond Smith Never too late buddy, just did a full trilogy playthrough in just two months. One word: Amazing !!!!
I had time so I did that in one week. Talk about movie experience... (except for the fucking ending, at least the extended cut made it a bit more tolerable)
Who would have thought
That moment when you want to play the games but don’t cause your afraid of this bad ending.
lol yep. I actually did a recording of forum posts on the ME3 romance and have another to be uploaded on how much people hated it. Was soooo disappointed.
Jeremy Jahns, this video is amazing! I really hope EA/Bioware sees this video.
Apparently BW hates the ending too as it's not even factored into Mass Effect Andromeda.
2015 3 FUCKING YEARS...3 FUCKING YEARS....AND I STILL CRY FOR MY GAME
After my first play through, and seeing how it all ends. Now that I knew that my choices didn't matter, and my chosen love interest (Miranda), ended up alone despite my promise to not die. I played a second time, and when I got to the sanctuary mission, I chose to go with Miranda's sister being saved, but Miranda dying, along with the chance to some day having a family with Shepard dying with her. After her death, my good Shepard, went total renegade, because he didn't care anymore. That's how depressed the ending, made me. I thought that maybe Shepard lives, retires and lives happily ever after, with Miranda at his side, while him and Garrus talk about the good old days. When Shepard and Garrus talk before the final mission, they both mentioned that they would like to retire from a life of saving the galaxy, so I thought maybe that might happen. But, after seeing the ending and realizing how fucked up it was. I decided to say fuck it, and have good Shepard turn bad, and has a death wish for the rest of the game, because the love of his life died. Well at least gets his Bioware forced wish in the end. I know Miranda couldn't get pregnant, but they could always adopt. Damn it Bioware, fix the endings so that the game ends the way we wanted.
If you're playing on PC, there's actually something called the Happy End Mod, in which you blow the Reapers and ONLY the Reapers up, you get your Shepard rescued and you get a bittersweet ending in which your Shep, badly wounded and all, is the one who has to place Andersson's plate on the Normandy Memorial Wall.
Silver Nightbane I heard of that mod, unfortunately I'm stuck with the console version.
10 years later and the ending still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Sure the extended cut at least made it more manageable I was happy enough to say ' okay that's that then' but the chose you colour and boom that's it, I was so disappointed
I hope BioWare saw this video
I thought the ending was fine, but I wanted to see Miranda again. (romanced her in ME2 and ME3). SUCKS! :(
I romanced her in the DLC
You do see her again but briefly. It was a side quest.
the whole final mission seemed like unfinished... it was like another mission and now we dont have time for more so lets throw all the endings...
This was actually the video that brought me to this channel ages ago when I was pissed about mass effect. Every now and then I like to come back and re watch it. It’s also the video that made me want to make videos myself.
Just finished the trilogy...
Like a loving parent, I'm not angry, just very disappointed.
ME3 is so disappointing. Especially after the greatness that is 2
76 thousand subs in 2012. 1.5 million in 2018.
Nice.
this is thefirst Jeremy video i ever watched, time to sit backand enjoy the trip down memory lane!
I think your rage is the point of this game. The story is a straw man against humanism. It doesn't matter that we think we're the galaxy's savior and that we think we know how to solve the reaper problem. In the end, if we're doomed, then we're doomed. And we're probably doomed.
We're supposed to be angry. It's a kick in the nuts, just like such a realization in real life would be. Learning that choice doesn't matter, even though we always thought it did is supposed to be disappointing.
The ending's twist is a philosophical change from humanism to fatalism. I thought it was worthwhile.
You're over thinking it. I isn't some kind of philosophical ending. It was a lie and giant middle finger to fans. Thank god, or science if anyone gets butt hurt over the G word, they fixed the ending.
Please ignore the typo.
Never looked at it this way.. maybe (almost definitely) not how they intended it but a very good viewpoint nonetheless.
this was pretty much what i realized as i was playing the ending recently for the first time. In life, we have a shit ton of choices. but we cant really choose when to die. mass effect pretty much slapped us in the face with reality. like yeah you did this and that, but tbh guy, it doesnt matter. you really dont have a choice in how it plays out. granted, doesnt change the fact that 16 different endings should have been 16 DIFFERENT endings. a clear GOOD ending, maybe sheppard convinced the ai to work with him or something. unrealistic, but then again, being a pure paragon, with maximum survivors, and maximum war effort or w/e should convince "God" to help save us, where as my half assed, renegade for life,punch ppl in the face would have gotten the ending he deserved. shrugs. it took me weeks to accept that such a huge part of my life was over. i do think mass effect was the greatest trilogy ever. game movie whatever. it hurt to end..angry happy whatever. kudos
you're over thinking it a bit it was mostly just lazy writing.
...has it been 7 years already..?
5:28 That impression is so spot on xD
I kinda like the endings, it was a war of annihilation, you can save everyone, you can have a happy ending, etc.
I think the ending was meant to show us that no matter the choices we make, we can't change some things
..........leave.
I was a late bloomer and just finished the game. I just walked through the beam and got the synthesis ending. Soooo disappointed. I kind of wanted the destroy ending but I didn't realise you had to shoot lol
But the lack of choices was bullshit
your not alone. i just played through all of them over the past year for the first time. they have quickly become my favorite trilogy. BUT the ending to 3 was disappointing.
3 years (well, 2 and half, whatever) and I still hate Mass Effect. Wow, I cant believe myself, I loved that game. How could this happen? Garrus save me!
you hate an entire game series because of the ending to one game? your a fucking stupid piece of shit
Yup, I know, it's really stupid, but here I am, sitting and secretly wishing new ME game never happens....
Zing Freelancer i see your side, i remember being half way through ME2 and having 38h in that one game alone, after finishing all 3 nearly 100 hours or more, and then you give me an ending like that, i chose control of the reapers thinking i could have quick repair of the relays for transport but apparently the citadel, reapers and i go to a corner of the local cluster and open a casino , but it deffinatley felt like my choices of the 3 games made no end game difference other than which one or two surviving crew members come out after joker (surprisingly no broken bones) walks out, (and seeing other endings the destroy synthetic life has no affect on EDI or Liria), and despite my ME1 ME2 krogan mission choises they did not supply me with grunt in ME3
Zing Freelancer I'm replaying the ME series right now. Just re-met Tali in ME3.
The story is great, some issues but it works, the character interactions are great. The gameplay is great (barring ME1).
The ending sucks.
I loved the game too. I so did not see Shepard's death coming! Garrus, Tali do something!!!!!!!!
To this day, i still cry quietly at night. 2019 in few days. When will the pain go away...
I personally think the ending was bad for many reasons listed already by many people. If some of you are happy with it, fine.
To me, it made no sense.
Take another example of a movie you all probably like : Star Wars.
Ok, just imagine that kind of ending for episode 6 : Luke meets the Emperor, he doesn't fight Dark Vador because the Emperor only gives him three options : die, die or die (red, blue or green lightning color). Luke dies by the end of the Emperor.
Then you see Leia and Han on a planet you don't know and you don't even know why there are here nor what happened to the rest of the crew.
Staff roll.
Would that make sense?
NO.
Sorry to say it but the story to the entire Mass Effect trilogy is a lot more detailed and intricate than that of the story of all 6 of the Star Wars movies, they are hardly comparable. So of course what you said made no sense.
the ending of this game ruined the entire series for me
@Dedal Donnager there's a lot of reasons why this ending sucks besides Shepard death but everything who defends this ending says is "so you wanted a disney type of ending".
Dedal Donnager and that’s stupid. Part of choices is to have an ending where there’s a good/best outcome. Dragon Age origins had it and me 3 should’ve had it too. Only being able to achieve one outcome further proves that the choices never mattered
"Of the 76,000 subscribers I have."
Me: *Looks at sub count* "Whoa."
Well Jeremy this is my one year aniversery of being subscribed, this is my first video to, thanks for everything.
5 years later, still hated, the worst thing about it is some people don't realize the rest of the game is bad too.
EDIT: Your Garus voice was great!
I've never played Mass Effect, but it was nice to listen to someone complain about something for a while. Sort of cathartic
I loved the ending but I'd prefer more choice. I don't like happy endings.
Just a quick clarification, Shepard's crew run from the effects of the crucible because of what is mentioned in the game "we do not know if such a big gun will only destroy the Reapers, or both of us", and the only one who decides and knows what will be targeted is Shepard. Organics and Synthetics are targeted in Synthesis (the point of sacrificing yourself, adding an extra target to the crucible, because since Mass Effect 2, Shepard is both organic and synthetic hybrid because of the reconstruction), Synthetics on Destroy, and the Reapers on Control.
So, I consider the Synthesis ending the best just because of my choices on the rest of the game, in Extended Cut you see destroy ending is the Paragon one (chosen by Anderson by the Shepard's flashback) and Control as the Renegade one (chosen by the Illusive Man in the flashback) and the Synthetic neutral (more Paragon-ish for me) in the way you don't have to doom both.
I let the geth to live and made peace with the quarians, as I see that destroy targets all synthetics, I didn't choose that, as pointed by Shepard, should everyone gain freedom of choice, just the organics, or everyone except those transformed into Reapers? I choose everyone, organics, synthetics, the Reapers and the Crucible (as it is an AI) should both have freedom from the cycle and also help rebuilding everything destroyed and share the knowledge from past civilizations and the tecnology from the Reapers themselves.
I romanced Liara (Male Shep), so I figured it out, in synthesis every life in the galaxy becomes "networked" on their knowledge (like the Geth), and she wanted to know everything she could on the Protheans, as the Protheans are in fact, part of the current Reaper form, I gave her unlimited knowledge about them, their civilization, tech, and etcetera. In some way this also freed her from being the Shadow Broker.
Also, I made Joker to seek relationship with EDI, so Destroy was not an option (EDI's name appear on the Normandy's memorial on Destroy), and for one, I enjoyed that Joker finally made true his love with the ships from the Alliance (one of them atleast).
And to make Legion sacrifice worth, I didn't destroy the geth, and also Mordin, since Wrex and Eve now can co-ordinate with every other Krogan the reconstruction of Tuchanka. About Garrus, I don't think there is much to be said, other than finally enjoy with Tali (without her suit, whooo) in that beachfront in the quarian homeworld, the Citadel is supposedly reconstructed on Synthesis and there is no threat of total extintion of organic life since it does not exist any more.
Pretty much, the best ending in that way, plus everyone is now inmortal. I only feel guilty for not be able to "undo an eternity of mourning", sorry Liara, but anyway you would have lived more than Shepard anyway, probably 6 times the 150 years of the humans in that era, or more.
"why is joker running away from the fight?" ahem. "disengage and get the hell out of there."
The rest of the fleets didn't make it but Normandy did?
what makes you think the rest of the fleets didn't make it?
Kip Higginson You can see the fleets flying past the destroyed relay
oh, make it. I thought you meant they all died.
Kip Higginson The "disengage and get the hell out of there" thing was only in the extended cut DLC, not in the original ending, this video was made on the original.
Ironic, I love the ending for the exact same reasons you hate it. You’re no longer in control, you’re not getting that happy ending you want, you spend your whole game getting your way that when reality finally hits you in the face, you hate it. To me that’s beautiful. You’re engaging with forces far superior to your own, you have no choice but to agree to the terms and conditions given to you. What we want and deserve is irrelevant and that’s what adds to the magic of the ending.
I’m not sure how to feel about it yet. My war assets bar was completely full, but apparently a few hundred points shy of my Shepard surviving the destroy option, which is what I picked on my first play through of the series. The fact that he doesn’t survive left me torn. I had built such a strong bond with Tali through all three games that she became my driving force to want to kill the reapers and survive. So I could be with her. Also to be with my squad mates that I’ve bonded with through our journey. Not only that, but I only felt comfortable destroying the reapers because I proved I could bring a galaxy together for a greater cause, so I felt like I could take the chance of being able to stop the inevitable chaos that the star child warned about if the reapers were destroyed.
I don’t feel like I hate the game, or the developers for the decisions presented to me, just sucks that I thought I did enough to survive and get the ending I wanted. In that sense I feel incomplete in my journey. However, making a few different decisions here and there could’ve got me the ending I would’ve been satisfied with. The fact that I’m going this in depth with this comment shows how great the series is even if you weren’t satisfied with the ending. Now think to yourself, how many people do you think die in real life are satisfied or would be satisfied with their ending? I like the way you summed it up though. This comment comes a day after I beat the Legendary edition and all I can think about is this game and how my Shepard is dead, and how that’s bugging me lol. He deserved a chance to create his own life. Pass along his genetics. That bums me out that Tali had to put my name on the wall as a casualty of war.
I lost all my love for Bioware because of this game. I was so psyched, ready for 20 radically-different 10-minute long endings. That was what we wanted, and that is pretty much was they were promising on records. What I got left me so sick with disappointment that I have not picked up ME 1 or 2 since then. They were my favorite games until I got 3. Multiplayer was not asked for, but they shoved it in. They included Kinect, even though the game was totally playable without it. There was so much they missed, and so much unneeded. Sorry, Bioware. You were gold. Now, you are just another (EA-owned) developer.
I know I’m very late. But I hope the New Mass Effect game confirms if Shepard lives or not.