Brad Shoenfeld is incompetent and doesn't know what true failure is. Take his "research" with a grain of salt. Look up how he performs his reps. It's pathetic. Dr Mike has also lost credibility by giving this clown any.
RP uses a descending RIR training model. Mesos start at 2-3 RIR, and finish with a functional overreaching stage at 0 RIR. That's what you're seeing in those videos. The sound bites lose a lot of the nuance, but when the RP guys say you don't need to train to failure, it's really in response to the idea that EVERY set needs to be to failure. Some failure training IS beneficial. This is all straight out of the book Mike coauthored on hypertrophy training. Those videos are made like that just because it's more interesting to watch that phase of training...people like seeing the effort and pain.
@@SeuOu Exactly this! He already said that showing people traning 2-3 RIR is not that excited so they dont put those kind of videos outhere. The bulk of their training is not to failure.
@@SeuOu just train last 1-2 weeks close to failure or to failure and deload. But u will be very fatigued. Even the next days. Imo not worth it since I did this for 2 years and it just compromises the rest of your life
There is a radical lack of definition when it comes to the therm "failure". We absolutely should always distinguish between technical and muscular failure.
In these studies, it is usually muscular failure -- the target muscle cannot go through a full range of motion, and they usually use isolation machines
@@j.e.t.v4016 full range of motion in your sentence means technical failure, muscular failure would be when you cant lift anymore even if you change your form to allow for non target muscles to help out, right?
Does that help more, I've started leaving maybe 1 in the tank, but my arms still ain't getting bigger, the last set I go to failure and I've noticed the my reps going up
Hard to take my guy seriously talking about fitness when he looks like Senator Kelly just before he turns to water and dies, from the first X=men movie when magneto makes him a mutant.
Wow. Brad is such a legend. His book is one of the few that are ACTUALLY science-based while still being full of information you can actually utilize to optimize your training. He did it first. He did it best. What a guy. So cool you guys know each other.
Can we have a video that is an in-depth look at what failure is, the different definitions, which definition Dr. Mike uses most often, and what failure literally looks like on video? Thanks!
Here's an idea for a potential video. What happens to the nervous system of an individual that actually goes to failure over and over again for a longer period, while adjusting their volume to keep fatigue at bay. Think of Bugenhagen embodiment + periodization for progression. Let's call it a year of training. I'd expect some nervous system adaptation to occur in which the person might be able to grind out more and more as the mesocycles continue. How would this affect SFR of a set to failure after that adaptation period? Maybe im just high, but its cool to hypothesize.
Dipolodocolous for the win! This is exactly how I've adapted over the years and for myself have I found the best progress. I typically increase the load from set to set, so for instance Bench Press: warm up followed by first working set 185 lbs 12 reps, then second set 205lbs for 12 reps, then final set 225lbs around 9-10 reps with goal of getting to 12 reps. The first 2 sets are basically to get me ready to fail on the last set. Each session I'm usually gaining 1 rep on the last set. Once I get to 12 on that last set, then I add 5 lbs to each of the 3 sets. Rinse and repeat. I also modulate the rep ranges, so some days I'm benching in the 8 rep range with obvious heavier loads. I seldom do 5 reps or less anymore simply because I getting too old and my joints don't recover as quickly anymore.
I train to failure , but to be fair I compensate by doing only a few sets per excercise.. I'm not the dude that would spawn 4 sets on everything lmao. Most of the time I do only 2 - 3 sets max and 2 mins rest for isolation excercises and 3 mins for compounds ( except for compounds on machines in that case I would take 2 and a half mins ) For example : - 2 sets incline chest press - 3 sets Helms row Superset : - 2 sets chest flyes ( machine ) ( 1 min rest between excercise ) - 2 sets rear delt flyes ( same machine ) - 3 sets lateral raises - 2 sets incline bicep curls - 2 sets tricep extensions. Takes me just 1 hour and I'm gone lmao.
If you workout for this feeling and arent fried the days after because of too much intensity, great. For optimal progress, its pretty much always better to do 2-3 RIR and train more often. You can just sustain it way better
I trained to failure once. 1.5hrs leg session, followed by ~10km walk in 35C temps. Made it within 100m of the car and everything below the waist started cramping hard and every step felt like pain. I think I sweated out 2% of my bodyweight. Took a week to recover. 10/10 can recommend infrequently
I saw another video from Wolf Coaching where he went over a more recent study contradicting this. I get the sense much of this is still very unresolved
@oulhadjouldsaadi9978 Yeah. I'm a beginner, so my body reacts to almost everything. So I am just trying to learn as much as possible, for when stuff starts to slow down.
This is why you also need experience by coaching plenty of athletes in this case , cant expect every information from science & get a exact pattern .Science based research just started & absence of evidence is more .MIKE use the research infos and combine it with experiences, That makes Dr. Mike's advices credible.
He will find anything to contradict to mike (if he could) just becayse mike refused to use the word “lengthened partials”, instead mike uses stretch and milo clearly didnt like that
Tried it during 15 years of lifting. Low volume high intensity to failure works like charm for me 🙏 try for your body what's providing best results for you 💯
@@sagnorm1863 I think for 99% of the people out there, that's true. But I also think there's enough genetic outliers out there that some people may very well grow better with a Mentzer style, etc. I guess I'm in the "start with the statistically best option, then listen to your body and adjust" camp.
@@sagnorm1863 did you not understand the original comment? He's done the same thing for 15 years, therefore nothing else could possibly work for him (he knows this because it works!).
2M subs. Well done RP. What a great guest, topic and video to bring up the number. The word is getting out! Well done Dr Mike, Scott and Jared. Great work.
Too much info online these days. Don't consume it all or else you'll end up paralyzed and not knowing where to start or what to do. Just train hard and eat well and enjoy being able to do so. No need to complicate stuff.
If your goal is just to be healthy then I agree. However, if you want to get jacked/strong then it is a great way to end up spinning your wheels. Many people in the gym (including myself) have been stuck for years at novice strength levels because we didn't consume the correct knowledge about programming. Consuming the right information can save many years of frustration in the gym.
What I have concluded for me from this video is that if Im doing three sets of any muscle group and any exercise I should go to failure on the very first set and then try to go to 2 rir on the other two steps, by doing this I would still be able to track my growth, like how many reps can I do with x amount of weight and when is it time to inc/decrease weight, additionally by going to failure eon the first set I'll also train my intuition to be able to tell when I have reached 2 rir on the rest of sets!!!! Im open to recommendations, ps: I am a begginer
Honestly, I and others I trained have seen so much more gains (strength and hypertrophy) with straight sets and RIR. The fatigue in doing drop sets or supersets makes it harder to get more benefits out of the subsequent movements. And, in some cases, you can end up working muscles to the point you need 3-4 days to recover. “I can’t sit on the toilet the next day” was a comment I used to hear after intense drop sets. With RIR, that isn’t a problem. And it is a problem when the person you are training wants to do cycling the next day because they enjoy it.
@@ZalvaTionZ Normal training always has a gradient towards intensity. It's like somehow in the internet generation everyone forgot how to train and needed videos to tell them what to do at every turn.
At 65 with over 50 years of consistent traing i can most definitely say less duration and intensity gets way better results for me..i over trained for decades.
I developed insomnia for 3 months in 2021 and insomnia plus severe anxiety in 2023 from going all out 0 RIR on every set. In both cases TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) was the therapy that made me heal, magnesium helps ease the symptoms for anyone currently dealing with it
My entire routine is about squeezing out those last few reps.I go light and at 63?I keep the weight light.I must or I risk injury to my very arthritic joints.But,I only do 1 set and a minimum of 25 reps.I know.Not a popular way to train?But the only way that I can without risking injury,while still exhausting my muscles.I have seen growth and definitely gained a ton of strength.
At this age every training is good training and you're even seeing good results! Just keep on trucking. And not to sound patronizing, it is just meant sincere: You should be really proud of yourself!
If you’re trying to lose fat and stay lean while putting on/maintaining some muscle I think higher rep makes sense. And yeah as you age you can’t go crazy with the weight like while you’re young. But if you’re trying to put on more muscle, especially past the point of “nooby gains” where you can gain muscle doing basically anything, then you’ve gotta do fewer reps and higher weight than that. If you want something better though that’ll strain your joints less, I’d go quick on the concentric and very very slow on the eccentric. Even with higher weights it’s very hard to injure yourself doing that. And you can put on more muscle. If you don’t care about putting on more muscle though you can do whatever you want lol.
"The studies that we have certainly have some limitations... They weren't high-level bodybuilders." "But they were Australians, so are they really people?" "That's true." omg what
This is such a good video because I actually have a problem going to failure every set to the point I only can make it to the gym like 3 days because I’m so beat from the workouts on top of work and less then ideal sleep. I also do it out of fear of not putting in max effort and not wanting to sell my self short of giving it my best effort and not half assing the workouts
I failed to be a good son,I failed to get a job,I failed to become independent,I failed to be a good person owner,I failed to get a degree,I failed to sleep for 2yrs straight,I failed to be enough for the world,I failed to be 6'6",I failed to be good at a sport,I failed to be the number 1 in my school,I failed to be a good grandson,I failed to get a gf,I failed to have ***,I failed to hit my macro goals for bulking And lastly,I failed to never fail in the gym❤ The world needs a failure day! How about 29 Nov?
Sorry but Brad’s ‘studies’ are awful, they’re like high school science projects. He rarely controls variables, doesn’t even check if or what they’re training or even doing outside of the sessions, and doesn’t even do double blind testing when checking the subjects at the end of study.
I agree that going to muscular technical failure is great and won't blow out your cns. Going to failure with bad form and speeding up your lift to 'just get it done' can lead to injury, blow out your cns and will most likely not give you any more gains than going to muscular technical failure.
As a rule of thumb, *occasionally* going to failure on: the top set (heaviest weight) and the final set (the 'finish' set) seems like a good idea. You generally want to increase your PR so going all out on the top set now and then is good. And you want that final, great pump, too. 'Training not straining' is still true.
Controversial take: I don't know how to not train to failure. It's not even about maximizing size anymore, I'm a big dude. Could I be bigger? Honestly, idk. But it's the grind; it's the relentless pursuit of the next rep; trying to seperate my soul from my body, those reps just MAKE bodybuilding for me.
Every thing i agree with him on but going to failure i do believe shocks the muscle better. (Yes i know 1rir is equivalent etc etc) but i just like it i guess.
This is why you also need experience by coaching plenty of athletes in this case , cant expect every information from science & get a exact pattern .Science based research just started & absence of evidence is more .MIKE use the research infos and combine it with experiences, That makes Dr. Mike's advices credible.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but none of these studies measure longterm adaptation to training to failure - such as building higher endurance and resistance to fatigue. From my own personal experience training to failure for years, my workouts used to be 1 hour before fatigue ending my session. Now I train for 2 hours per day to failure with almost no fatigue. Breaks between sets are only 1-2 minutes. And yes, I do go to actual failure, sometimes pausing 5-10 seconds and squeezing out a few more reps to failure again. I’m a lifelong natural lifter.
i haven’t been training as long, but i’ve also noticed that after a year training all sets to failure I’m able to fully recover between workouts. I used to do high volume previously training somewhere between 3-1 RIR 30 ish sets per muscle per week and made way less gains then training to failure 6-8 sets per week. I made more gains and faster going to failure then other training even with the other training being during my newbie gains. - I also haven’t needed to deload at all and have made consistent gains in strength/size
Exactly. If you regularly train close to failure your body will eventually adapt and it won’t be so stressful. Plus, if people are using mostly machines and whatnot like is typically recommended then there’s no reason not to take those exercises to failure, which makes their whole argument against it just silly. I take the vast majority of my sets within 0-1 rep of failure (which is mostly free weight exercises) and as long as you’re lifting under control it’s really not that much stressful. At most I could see leaving 2 reps.
I once tried to take every set to failure, but I ended up hurting myself. So instead, I stick to 2-3 rir. It can be difficult to judge RIR’s, but I’ve figured out how to do it. I lift at a very steady rhythm - 2 second concentric, 3 second eccentric. Once my arms start to slow down on the concentric, I know I have about 3 or 4 reps left before failure. So, when my arms slow down, I do one more rep, and then go down very slowly on the final eccentric. That’s 2-3 rir for me.
The more I see these optimal science-based lifting videos contradict one another, the more I realize the only thing that matters is doing what you enjoy as that’ll be the most optimal way.
His thinking is seeing what works best for him and doing that. What's the point of following the new best thing that you don't even enjoy, which will gest contradicted by yet another study a few months later anyway ?
@@teddy6732 It's pretty rare to see well designed studies flat out contradict each other. What's usually happening is that the easily digestible soundbites concocted by journalists and content creators contradict each other. How often do you see the interviewer say something like "So what you're saying is..." and the scientist is squirming because the journalist is wrong, but also clearly incapable of understanding the explanation of why they're wrong. Or you'll see an interview where the scientist answers every question with "Um, the evidence doesn't show that" and the journalist gets frustrated because they aren't getting their sexy soundbite. Understanding and applying what a study means is hard, the vast majority of studies don't produce applicable insights (rather they just add data points), and nobody wants to talk about that because a) it's boring and b) the scientists want to keep getting funded. Science changes our world, but it moves way, way slower than the news cycle.
Yo, Mike, your Calves were looking DOPE on the last Eric Janiki video about leg training HAHAHA Congratz, dude- gonna ditch that peak contraction myself after that hahaha
I can only speak for myself, (so N=1), with that in mind I saw my best gains going to failure on every set, including warm-up sets, and using a "bro split" but on a nine-day rotation as opposed to the traditional seven-day rotation, (legs, chest, rest, shoulders, back, arms, rest, rest....repeat) I did that split for about two and a half years, (I'd been training consistently for three years when I started this split), with pretty consistent gains, only stopping after I got married. That brings me to my second point, namely that the vast majority of people should be training in such a manner that they can be consistent over multiple YEARS, even when that means training suboptimally over shorter spans of time. The way I, and again I can ONLY speak for myself, view my training, is that I want it to be as "invisible" to those I care about as possible, if that necessitates extra deload weeks in order to facilitate family time, then so be it, ultimately, consistency is king. From a "failure" perspective, I have personally experienced two distinct "types" of failure when lifting, (muscular and neurological). When I experience muscular failure on a lift, it is usually preceded by a progressive slowing of rep cadence and often by the progressive breakdown of rep form. By reducing the weight and continuing, the set, I can grind out more reps past "the point of failure". When I experience neurological failure, the effect is sudden, even if the rep is otherwise going smoothly, but the dead giveaway is my ability to preform additional reps with reduced load... even if I drop half the weight, I still can't complete an additional rep without "resetting my brain". This kind of failure is exclusively reserved for compound movements, at least it is for me, and I can usually overcome it by dropping the weights and activating the same muscle group that I was training but in a way that is "out of the ordinary" or not the usual firing order for the muscles involved. And that brings me nicely to my last, and I feel most pertinent point, HOW IN THE NAME OF F*&k, do any of you form a coherent thought during a lift? Seriously, I have to use ALL of my faculties just to count the reps. If you asked me to estimate how many theoretical reps I have in the tank with a given load, You would be lucky for me to shout through clenched teeth...."QUIET!!!", but nine times out of ten, you would just hear the sound of bowel release!
Dr. Mike never fails to impress with his well thought out interview questions, witty self-deprecating humour, and incredibly bulbous and baldous dome thumbnails which sends me on an endless RP binge.
Mike when will you respond to Greg bodying you in his magnum opus about you quitting bodybuilding? Heard you got all sensitive behind the scenes. You can give it but can’t take it apparently 😂 -sincerely, the guy you called a Venice beach pothead knowing nothing about me
Europeans have known this for decades. Stress is the major dictator for muscle gain and loss. Extra muscle is a liability for a stressed body and failure of any kind is all chalked up as stress to the body.
Brad is always so nice to listen about his expertise (although I bet he's a nice guy to have a random chat as well). He's so careful to note everything he can't say for sure or draw conclusions from. Yet he also knows so much about studying the topic and training in practical sense. He's like another Eric Helms, guy who says he never had that great of genes, but so jacked your jaw drops anyway. I believe the study in Jyväskylä Brad is talking about is one that my friend was doing his master's in! So cool. No surprise he's damn jacked as well.
I went through a very difficult personal circumstance in February. I responded by being a meathead in the Gym. Trained every day for 2 hours, heavy as I could . After about 2 month i lost 20lbs, all my hair fell out and i couldnt get out of bed for a week. I didnt even realise how bad i felt until i hit the wall. Only really feeling healthy(ish) again now.
My question has always been, when determining how many reps/sets you should do for a given exercise, should you take into account the remaining exercises you have left? I usually start with my deadlifts and if I push to failure I see that my other exercises suffer. Hoping they answer this as the video continues! Love the research based content.
This is why it's recommended to regularly switch the exercises you start with first depending on which muscle groups you feel are lagging. Additionally deadlifts don't have to be in every pull day (or whichever day it falls into your program). Have a Pull day A with a number of pull exercises, and then a Pull day B with a different set of pull exercises to maximize your range, rotating the order regularly.
Don't start with the hardest exercise. A deadlift requires almost every muscle of your body. If you drain your body battery at the beginning, you won't have much energy left for easier exercises.
Actually I am training to failure. It's not that hard to know. I know that's crazy to say from someone like me who isn't a PhD but I swear if you can't do another rep, it's failure. You can even use a little body english to squeeze out more reps (CRAZY)... Because if you're deadlifting and barbell rowing hundreds of pounds, swaying your back a little bit on 40# dumbbell curls and 25# lateral raises isn't going to shoot my discs across the room. I'd bet my last dollar on it. Then you can go beyond failure. It feels good and it works great. This is the most tired topic in fitness along with the volume debate that's been happening for like a decade.
I went to the gym for the first time in years after deciding that I'd like to get fit (just finished a very high deficit diet where I lost 30 lbs) and went to failure on each set of a full body weight training workout - I had heard that you should take it easy when starting out but I had also heard that newbies shouldn't be strong enough to actually hurt themselves so I wasn't super worried - I just figured that I would be super sore which I was fine with since I was only planning on working out once a week starting out. As expected, I had a pretty gnarly couple of days of soreness and I didn't think anything of it, that is, until I started peeing brown. Four days post exercise, I'm in the hospital with rhabdomyolysis (had never even heard of it before this) and CK levels over 100k. I can't find any content on your channel about rhabdo but I think it would be cool to go into detail about the physiological distinctions between DOMS and rhabdo and how to avoid rhabdo when exercising this intensely.
But they were Australian... Are they really people 🤣🤣🤣 eff you Mike, I'm Aussie and a woman 🤣 (trolling you) nah jokes. I don't know if we are ppl or kangaroos 🤣🤣🤣 I love you sm Mike ❤ thank you for this it's so flipping insightful ❤❤❤❤
Training more often but with RIR 2-3 made my life better honestly. Im not fried the day after, can go more often ( I love training ) and it has taught me restraint. It may feel good in the moment to give it all but it hinders/slows your progress down by a lot. Not to mention the next day fatigue/fried cns which makes you a walking npc.
I’ve seen videos of Brad’s idea of training to failure. In fact, it didn’t even qualify as bogging down. It was, at best, 2 reps short, for me 3 short. If that’s his failure, his 2 reps short’s actually 4 or 5. A joke, (his, not mine)
This is probably my first comment ever, but I've been watching alot of your videos dr mike and I'm seriously confused about the importance of "failure" Alot of your training vids show you & the guest being pushed to failure with myo rep sets, along with some of your sit down "explanation videos" highlighting the importance of training to failure, which then stimulates that muscle group for more growth. Then there's this vid & title. Please settle this for a 1 year old gym newbie: Is going to failure important or not? Thank you.
Bruh, why is the fitness community so annoyingly overcomplicated. Everyone roasting people for not training to failure, but then on another day say don't train to failure because it'll give you too much fatigue, just do 3-5 RIR. Come on, man.
Bruh, why is the fitness community so annoyingly overcomplicated. Everyone roasting people for not training to failure, but then on another day say don't train to failure because it'll give you too much fatigue, just do 3-5 RIR. Come on, man.
Niice, so failing is in strict form with the same weight right? everything thats outside of strict form with the same weight is beyond faillure? so how i understand it now, dropsets are most likely to be junk volume when you already doing 3 work set of about 15 reps each.
When people talk about how they train in individual sessions but have no idea how training has gone over a measurable period of time where there are strength and size milestones specifically written down as goals and the program is designed to effortlessly achieve those goals. When I say effortlessly I don't mean without effort I mean if you work backwards from a goal that is realistic it's much easier to set yourself up for success trying to have magical workouts every time you train why do you think about intensity techniques and all this other b*******. Straight sets taking two steps forward and one step back meaning as you increase load 42 to 3 weeks in a row, you reduce the load so the net the fact is that you start off 5 to 10 lb heavier than where you started. By going back and covering familiar territory again with increased strength and setting ups every few launch weather they are 5 lbs, 10 lbs 15 lb are gainss that are fairly realistic until you are at a point where you are so strong relative to the way you train ,(obviously a powerlifter is going to be stronger because of the way he trains then a champion bodybuilder of equal weight). Therefore, until you are as strong as the top guys in your sport who are at your weight, strength should be a priority. Now understand what I mean by strength. Power lifting strength is simply your one rep max at a sanctioned meet. Bodybuilding strength is how strong you are given your unique training style. A guy who trains with higher volume and two more moderate to high rep range with search form with respect to your body position, controlling the negative and controlling the concentric whether you train explosively war within moderate speed. A guy that can bounce 500 lb off his chest for three reps on a flat bench may be able to move more weight in a sloppy form on flat bench what does that make him stronger than a guy who can do 12 repetitions using perfect form with 315 lb on a 45 degree incline press. 12 reps with 3:15 in perfect form is stronger when it comes to building the most muscle for his given sport in the right areas of the chest. Points for strength are non-existent so if you are strong based on the way you train compared with anybody else who trains in your style then you don't need to worry about getting that much stronger because it sounds to me like at this point the only key to getting stronger is more muscle strength is a tool from which to gain muscle in bodybuilding people who are constantly talking about train to failure engineering for straps and all this other bullcrap I rarely the strongest guys in the gym. Watch Dan African or Ronnie Coleman training OverWatch the late Dallas McCarver or Nick Walker training. Is there any mystery to why they are the most heavily muscled guys on stage.of course not. Flex wheeleramf Phil hrath have incredible mass aforementioned bodybuilders they don't have that silverback rugged look and believe me they are still plenty strong
I'm sorry but the actual data doesn't support 'not training to failure' for maximizing hypertrophy. It's astounding how unscientific can a science based training channel be sometimes...
I can see that going to failure can have a negative effect on hypertrophy, but you only briefly mentioned strength training, say attempting a 1RM, how is this counter productive to strength training? as with strength training you will use lower rep ranges and most likely have a higher RPE / lower RIR
I tried some high volume training not to failure recently and didn't get any arm growth out of it. But I wanted to try Mike's full stretch and slow negatives and got 1/4" on my after one training session. I dip 6 reps of and chins but each rep was negative only and I faught all the way down. I'm beyond sore. So each rep went to negative failure. I think it shows how everyone is different. I've always responded to high intensity training and not high volume
What if my failure wasnt another guys failure, how would that compare! My arms give up but chest is fully stimulated, other guys arms dont give up but chest was already stimulated! Isnt that when mind muscle connection comes in?
I've failed everything I've done in life. School, relationships, business. I take everything to failure! And I mean EVERYTHING.
Have you done drop sets or forced reps on school, relationships and your business? You might be losing out on gains if not
@@ksalinas96 Yeah, drop sets on the wife really reduces systemic fatigue.
@@faust8218😂good one
Same
I even failed writing this comment first.
Mike's hair trains to failure, Brad's hair trains with a few hairs left in reserve.
😂😂😅
Mike is so lean even his head has vascularity.
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holy shit 💀
Mike: You don't need to train to failure
Every person Mike trains: Go cry on someone else's channel! You go until you die! 13 minute eccentrics!
Exactly, I came here to say this. He literally has everyone training to momentary failure.
You used the colon wrong
I guess is for video purpose but yes he is always training people on his videos to absolute failure 😂
@@baronmeduseNah. He does push them very very hard with the pauses and slow eccentrics but he almost never has them going to failure.
@@JTD472 How did he use it incorrectly?
I thought relative effort was when you're tryna rizz up your cousins at the family reunion but what do I know I'm from Alabama.
Lmao
+2
Brad Shoenfeld is incompetent and doesn't know what true failure is. Take his "research" with a grain of salt. Look up how he performs his reps. It's pathetic.
Dr Mike has also lost credibility by giving this clown any.
That's relative rizz brother 🤣
Nah you wild 😂😭
9:46 the only time dr mike goes to failure on forearm exercises is when he’s looking at photos of Scott the video guy
Best part, he does it while Scott is present.
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@@Combba6 without breaking eye contact.
Mike's a cuck. He'd smile watching his asian wife take on 6 Melanated dudes, African or Indian. She like Mediterranean
WTF is wrong with you people , stop commenting like that , I cant like every comment.
Problem is I feel like a failure if I don’t go to failure
real
Same
Exactly! I will still go to failure no matter who tells me what because that is how i feel my muscles balloon.
Very true
6:36 I love how Mike went beyond failure with that joke. Didn’t even flinch at the lack of response 😂
I get the feeling Brad has known Mike for so long he's just numb to it 😂
Literally I noticed that😭😭
Gives this man a glass of water.
Mike pushes someone to failure on multiple sets and exercises, on practically every RP training video
RP uses a descending RIR training model. Mesos start at 2-3 RIR, and finish with a functional overreaching stage at 0 RIR. That's what you're seeing in those videos. The sound bites lose a lot of the nuance, but when the RP guys say you don't need to train to failure, it's really in response to the idea that EVERY set needs to be to failure. Some failure training IS beneficial. This is all straight out of the book Mike coauthored on hypertrophy training. Those videos are made like that just because it's more interesting to watch that phase of training...people like seeing the effort and pain.
Mike is basically full of shit most of the time..
dude, he does that just for a fun video
@@SeuOu Exactly this! He already said that showing people traning 2-3 RIR is not that excited so they dont put those kind of videos outhere. The bulk of their training is not to failure.
@@SeuOu just train last 1-2 weeks close to failure or to failure and deload. But u will be very fatigued. Even the next days. Imo not worth it since I did this for 2 years and it just compromises the rest of your life
There is a radical lack of definition when it comes to the therm "failure". We absolutely should always distinguish between technical and muscular failure.
In these studies, it is usually muscular failure -- the target muscle cannot go through a full range of motion, and they usually use isolation machines
Which type of failure is it when your arms give out during decline press and the 90lb dumbbells crash into your face or chest?
@@j.e.t.v4016 full range of motion in your sentence means technical failure, muscular failure would be when you cant lift anymore even if you change your form to allow for non target muscles to help out, right?
@@smudgeous4068it s called your whole life failure.
I think technical failure is a must in many cases.
I always train to failure, its the only way I can track my progress
With the rp app i got to failure the first week to have a more precise rir info. Then i go as the app says
Your programming sucks then
Couldn't you just track with progressive overload?
Does that help more, I've started leaving maybe 1 in the tank, but my arms still ain't getting bigger, the last set I go to failure and I've noticed the my reps going up
is it me or does he look like John Cramer from Saw?
It’s not you. 😂
A little bit, but he reminds me way more of the russian priest in "The Punisher" series
Omg that's it, I couldn't figure out who he reminded me of 😂
Hard to take my guy seriously talking about fitness when he looks like Senator Kelly just before he turns to water and dies, from the first X=men movie when magneto makes him a mutant.
nah, it's not you. it's him
9:47 no joke. Wrist curls to failure are excruciating.
"wrist curl" if you know what he means
@@SamuelJonsson-ou6ul two in the pink, one in the stink
@@ChriSX13lmao
@@ChriSX13 oh no.
Wow. Brad is such a legend. His book is one of the few that are ACTUALLY science-based while still being full of information you can actually utilize to optimize your training. He did it first. He did it best. What a guy. So cool you guys know each other.
Can we have a video that is an in-depth look at what failure is, the different definitions, which definition Dr. Mike uses most often, and what failure literally looks like on video?
Thanks!
It's also important to mention the significance of long term connective tissue/joint health as regards to training to failure.
Here's an idea for a potential video. What happens to the nervous system of an individual that actually goes to failure over and over again for a longer period, while adjusting their volume to keep fatigue at bay. Think of Bugenhagen embodiment + periodization for progression. Let's call it a year of training. I'd expect some nervous system adaptation to occur in which the person might be able to grind out more and more as the mesocycles continue. How would this affect SFR of a set to failure after that adaptation period? Maybe im just high, but its cool to hypothesize.
Trust me, it barely adapts if you do that. Maybe you can increase CNS capacity slowly, but for me it didnt work. I went to failure quite often tho.
2 sets 1-3 RIR, last set to failure (on exercise that allow for it) - guarantees you’re close to failure, without being massively taxing
Dipolodocolous for the win! This is exactly how I've adapted over the years and for myself have I found the best progress. I typically increase the load from set to set, so for instance Bench Press: warm up followed by first working set 185 lbs 12 reps, then second set 205lbs for 12 reps, then final set 225lbs around 9-10 reps with goal of getting to 12 reps. The first 2 sets are basically to get me ready to fail on the last set. Each session I'm usually gaining 1 rep on the last set. Once I get to 12 on that last set, then I add 5 lbs to each of the 3 sets. Rinse and repeat. I also modulate the rep ranges, so some days I'm benching in the 8 rep range with obvious heavier loads. I seldom do 5 reps or less anymore simply because I getting too old and my joints don't recover as quickly anymore.
Dr Brad Schoenfeld AKA John Kramer: "I want to play a game!"
I train to failure , but to be fair I compensate by doing only a few sets per excercise.. I'm not the dude that would spawn 4 sets on everything lmao.
Most of the time I do only 2 - 3 sets max and 2 mins rest for isolation excercises and 3 mins for compounds ( except for compounds on machines in that case I would take 2 and a half mins )
For example :
- 2 sets incline chest press
- 3 sets Helms row
Superset :
- 2 sets chest flyes ( machine )
( 1 min rest between excercise )
- 2 sets rear delt flyes ( same machine )
- 3 sets lateral raises
- 2 sets incline bicep curls
- 2 sets tricep extensions.
Takes me just 1 hour and I'm gone lmao.
Problem is stopping short of failure is boring. I want to push myself until I can't push no more.
If you workout for this feeling and arent fried the days after because of too much intensity, great. For optimal progress, its pretty much always better to do 2-3 RIR and train more often. You can just sustain it way better
Just do it on the last set of each exercise. It is what I do to get the best of both worlds.
I trained to failure once. 1.5hrs leg session, followed by ~10km walk in 35C temps. Made it within 100m of the car and everything below the waist started cramping hard and every step felt like pain. I think I sweated out 2% of my bodyweight. Took a week to recover. 10/10 can recommend infrequently
That's not failure that's just lack of electrolytes
that doesnt sound like muscular failure tho
@@christophegroulx7816 yeah but I gained like 10kg on the squat so I'll take it
Did not expect to hear someone butcher the name "Jyväskylä" when I decided to open a video by Dr Mike today
What a name :D
I saw another video from Wolf Coaching where he went over a more recent study contradicting this. I get the sense much of this is still very unresolved
Yep. Science do be like that...
@@Heyght just experiment and do whatever works for you, not every one's body reacts the same way.
@oulhadjouldsaadi9978 Yeah. I'm a beginner, so my body reacts to almost everything. So I am just trying to learn as much as possible, for when stuff starts to slow down.
This is why you also need experience by coaching plenty of athletes in this case , cant expect every information from science & get a exact pattern .Science based research just started & absence of evidence is more .MIKE use the research infos and combine it with experiences, That makes Dr. Mike's advices credible.
He will find anything to contradict to mike (if he could) just becayse mike refused to use the word “lengthened partials”, instead mike uses stretch and milo clearly didnt like that
Tried it during 15 years of lifting. Low volume high intensity to failure works like charm for me 🙏 try for your body what's providing best results for you 💯
Same. I’m training more for overall function than pure hypertrophy, though.
How many sets per muscle group would you do for low sets and high intensity?
Your comment doesn't address the point in the video at all.
Having 1 or 2 reps in reserve would have given you better results.
@@sagnorm1863 I think for 99% of the people out there, that's true. But I also think there's enough genetic outliers out there that some people may very well grow better with a Mentzer style, etc. I guess I'm in the "start with the statistically best option, then listen to your body and adjust" camp.
@@sagnorm1863 did you not understand the original comment? He's done the same thing for 15 years, therefore nothing else could possibly work for him (he knows this because it works!).
2M subs. Well done RP. What a great guest, topic and video to bring up the number. The word is getting out! Well done Dr Mike, Scott and Jared. Great work.
Dr.Brad Schoenfeld is whiter than my creatine.
Bro is glowing
LOL. Maybe he is ASIAN XD
Too much info online these days. Don't consume it all or else you'll end up paralyzed and not knowing where to start or what to do. Just train hard and eat well and enjoy being able to do so. No need to complicate stuff.
I agree, it’s a privilege to be healthy. Maximise it!
If your goal is just to be healthy then I agree. However, if you want to get jacked/strong then it is a great way to end up spinning your wheels. Many people in the gym (including myself) have been stuck for years at novice strength levels because we didn't consume the correct knowledge about programming. Consuming the right information can save many years of frustration in the gym.
What I have concluded for me from this video is that if Im doing three sets of any muscle group and any exercise I should go to failure on the very first set and then try to go to 2 rir on the other two steps, by doing this I would still be able to track my growth, like how many reps can I do with x amount of weight and when is it time to inc/decrease weight, additionally by going to failure eon the first set I'll also train my intuition to be able to tell when I have reached 2 rir on the rest of sets!!!! Im open to recommendations, ps: I am a begginer
Thanks a lot
Jyväskylä mentioned on a RP video. You got me smiling with that :)
I was about to say the same! Jyväskylä, Finland!
Wooopwoop❤
Jkl
That expert looks extremely sick.
And lacks hypertrophy
Honestly, I and others I trained have seen so much more gains (strength and hypertrophy) with straight sets and RIR.
The fatigue in doing drop sets or supersets makes it harder to get more benefits out of the subsequent movements.
And, in some cases, you can end up working muscles to the point you need 3-4 days to recover. “I can’t sit on the toilet the next day” was a comment I used to hear after intense drop sets. With RIR, that isn’t a problem. And it is a problem when the person you are training wants to do cycling the next day because they enjoy it.
Wonder why Dr Mike's training videos are all to utter high-intensity failure then? I assume you've watched them?
@@baronmeduseEnd of mesocycle training. You don't have to periodize like he does though.
@@ZalvaTionZ Normal training always has a gradient towards intensity. It's like somehow in the internet generation everyone forgot how to train and needed videos to tell them what to do at every turn.
Can you make a short video talking about how many calories are burned during sex at different intensities? Please & Thank you 🙏🏽
At 65 with over 50 years of consistent traing i can most definitely say less duration and intensity gets way better results for me..i over trained for decades.
Less duration and less intensity?
Why You Actually Aren't Changing Thumbnails To Failure (And You Shouldn't)
I developed insomnia for 3 months in 2021 and insomnia plus severe anxiety in 2023 from going all out 0 RIR on every set. In both cases TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) was the therapy that made me heal, magnesium helps ease the symptoms for anyone currently dealing with it
My entire routine is about squeezing out those last few reps.I go light and at 63?I keep the weight light.I must or I risk injury to my very arthritic joints.But,I only do 1 set and a minimum of 25 reps.I know.Not a popular way to train?But the only way that I can without risking injury,while still exhausting my muscles.I have seen growth and definitely gained a ton of strength.
What about warmup sets?
@@JustChill-zd4ibif he's capable of doing 25 reps with it, I'd argue that's pretty close to a warmup set weight already
The first half of the set is the warmup with that rep range@@JustChill-zd4ib
At this age every training is good training and you're even seeing good results! Just keep on trucking. And not to sound patronizing, it is just meant sincere: You should be really proud of yourself!
If you’re trying to lose fat and stay lean while putting on/maintaining some muscle I think higher rep makes sense. And yeah as you age you can’t go crazy with the weight like while you’re young. But if you’re trying to put on more muscle, especially past the point of “nooby gains” where you can gain muscle doing basically anything, then you’ve gotta do fewer reps and higher weight than that. If you want something better though that’ll strain your joints less, I’d go quick on the concentric and very very slow on the eccentric. Even with higher weights it’s very hard to injure yourself doing that. And you can put on more muscle. If you don’t care about putting on more muscle though you can do whatever you want lol.
Im already a failure, no need to train
Bruh... 🤘😄🤘
Lyle mcdonald can you do a reply to this pls
"The studies that we have certainly have some limitations... They weren't high-level bodybuilders."
"But they were Australians, so are they really people?"
"That's true."
omg what
As an Australian I take his point.
If you close your eyes and just listen, Mike is talking to Christopher Walken.
This is such a good video because I actually have a problem going to failure every set to the point I only can make it to the gym like 3 days because I’m so beat from the workouts on top of work and less then ideal sleep. I also do it out of fear of not putting in max effort and not wanting to sell my self short of giving it my best effort and not half assing the workouts
I don't train to Schoenfeld "failure" for sure.
"That's my failure" then an extra 5 reps
Brad is so serious about this stuff that Mike’s humor genuinely throws him off
this gentleman needs some sunlight
First white guy you've ever seen? 😂
Sunburn is bad for you. Stay in the basement.
@@Seabee208 I have known many Caucasians
Possibly just needs some blood. Vampires need to avoid sunlight
@@KM-hk8tc LOL
I failed to be a good son,I failed to get a job,I failed to become independent,I failed to be a good person owner,I failed to get a degree,I failed to sleep for 2yrs straight,I failed to be enough for the world,I failed to be 6'6",I failed to be good at a sport,I failed to be the number 1 in my school,I failed to be a good grandson,I failed to get a gf,I failed to have ***,I failed to hit my macro goals for bulking
And lastly,I failed to never fail in the gym❤
The world needs a failure day!
How about 29 Nov?
What happened to this doctors skin?
His arms look pale af
Sorry but Brad’s ‘studies’ are awful, they’re like high school science projects.
He rarely controls variables, doesn’t even check if or what they’re training or even doing outside of the sessions, and doesn’t even do double blind testing when checking the subjects at the end of study.
Ouch
I agree that going to muscular technical failure is great and won't blow out your cns. Going to failure with bad form and speeding up your lift to 'just get it done' can lead to injury, blow out your cns and will most likely not give you any more gains than going to muscular technical failure.
Nice! Back to coasting in the gym then
Dorian yates and Mike Mentzer and many others beg to differ.
I like training to failure every set
I would suggest doing few warmups and doing failure only on the last one. You do you tho.
It's hard for me to trust people that don't look like they work out
As a rule of thumb, *occasionally* going to failure on: the top set (heaviest weight) and the final set (the 'finish' set) seems like a good idea.
You generally want to increase your PR so going all out on the top set now and then is good. And you want that final, great pump, too.
'Training not straining' is still true.
I've nothing to add but opinion; but I agree.
I find the sweet spot of training to be truly failing near the end of the last set.
Better to do more volume than train to failure it seems
I like the feeling of almost failure when training, maybe I'm a masochist
i go to failure every single session and give zero fucks
Relative effort , is the amount of effort your relatives give to you based on how much money they think youll give to them
Controversial take: I don't know how to not train to failure. It's not even about maximizing size anymore, I'm a big dude. Could I be bigger? Honestly, idk. But it's the grind; it's the relentless pursuit of the next rep; trying to seperate my soul from my body, those reps just MAKE bodybuilding for me.
I didn't know John Pilgrim from Punisher season 2 lifted but I guess it makes sense.
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING 🤣
Dr. Mike looks like a fusion between Kurt Angle and Dana White 😂😂😂
Every thing i agree with him on but going to failure i do believe shocks the muscle better. (Yes i know 1rir is equivalent etc etc) but i just like it i guess.
Great interview. Shoenfeld and Dr. Mike are a great combination. Thank you. Training to failure is fun, but very tiring.
Evidence based Science based on Scientific evidence
Haha, pretty much.🤷 And, what's the take away? That IS the take away.
🤦 Oof!
This is why you also need experience by coaching plenty of athletes in this case , cant expect every information from science & get a exact pattern .Science based research just started & absence of evidence is more .MIKE use the research infos and combine it with experiences, That makes Dr. Mike's advices credible.
Dude's arm is pastier than last time.
Never before in the earths history has training/overtraining been so dissected by so many channels so many times.
As a beginner should I still be shooting to workout towards failure?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but none of these studies measure longterm adaptation to training to failure - such as building higher endurance and resistance to fatigue. From my own personal experience training to failure for years, my workouts used to be 1 hour before fatigue ending my session. Now I train for 2 hours per day to failure with almost no fatigue. Breaks between sets are only 1-2 minutes. And yes, I do go to actual failure, sometimes pausing 5-10 seconds and squeezing out a few more reps to failure again. I’m a lifelong natural lifter.
i haven’t been training as long, but i’ve also noticed that after a year training all sets to failure I’m able to fully recover between workouts. I used to do high volume previously training somewhere between 3-1 RIR 30 ish sets per muscle per week and made way less gains then training to failure 6-8 sets per week. I made more gains and faster going to failure then other training even with the other training being during my newbie gains. - I also haven’t needed to deload at all and have made consistent gains in strength/size
Exactly. If you regularly train close to failure your body will eventually adapt and it won’t be so stressful. Plus, if people are using mostly machines and whatnot like is typically recommended then there’s no reason not to take those exercises to failure, which makes their whole argument against it just silly.
I take the vast majority of my sets within 0-1 rep of failure (which is mostly free weight exercises) and as long as you’re lifting under control it’s really not that much stressful. At most I could see leaving 2 reps.
Mike did over 2 millions blinks in this video
how many videos are you making about the same subject. you already made that point in 70 other clips. I love watching your videos but damn
I once tried to take every set to failure, but I ended up hurting myself. So instead, I stick to 2-3 rir. It can be difficult to judge RIR’s, but I’ve figured out how to do it. I lift at a very steady rhythm - 2 second concentric, 3 second eccentric. Once my arms start to slow down on the concentric, I know I have about 3 or 4 reps left before failure. So, when my arms slow down, I do one more rep, and then go down very slowly on the final eccentric. That’s 2-3 rir for me.
The more I see these optimal science-based lifting videos contradict one another, the more I realize the only thing that matters is doing what you enjoy as that’ll be the most optimal way.
That just means the jury is out on what actually works.
So instead of thinking you just do whatever? I mean that is an option...
His thinking is seeing what works best for him and doing that. What's the point of following the new best thing that you don't even enjoy, which will gest contradicted by yet another study a few months later anyway ?
@@teddy6732 It's pretty rare to see well designed studies flat out contradict each other. What's usually happening is that the easily digestible soundbites concocted by journalists and content creators contradict each other. How often do you see the interviewer say something like "So what you're saying is..." and the scientist is squirming because the journalist is wrong, but also clearly incapable of understanding the explanation of why they're wrong. Or you'll see an interview where the scientist answers every question with "Um, the evidence doesn't show that" and the journalist gets frustrated because they aren't getting their sexy soundbite.
Understanding and applying what a study means is hard, the vast majority of studies don't produce applicable insights (rather they just add data points), and nobody wants to talk about that because a) it's boring and b) the scientists want to keep getting funded. Science changes our world, but it moves way, way slower than the news cycle.
Yo, Mike, your Calves were looking DOPE on the last Eric Janiki video about leg training HAHAHA Congratz, dude- gonna ditch that peak contraction myself after that hahaha
Why is Brad gray?
I always do 3 sets per exercise, and only go my last set to failure.
Brad is again in Vampire stance
I can only speak for myself, (so N=1), with that in mind I saw my best gains going to failure on every set, including warm-up sets, and using a "bro split" but on a nine-day rotation as opposed to the traditional seven-day rotation, (legs, chest, rest, shoulders, back, arms, rest, rest....repeat) I did that split for about two and a half years, (I'd been training consistently for three years when I started this split), with pretty consistent gains, only stopping after I got married. That brings me to my second point, namely that the vast majority of people should be training in such a manner that they can be consistent over multiple YEARS, even when that means training suboptimally over shorter spans of time. The way I, and again I can ONLY speak for myself, view my training, is that I want it to be as "invisible" to those I care about as possible, if that necessitates extra deload weeks in order to facilitate family time, then so be it, ultimately, consistency is king.
From a "failure" perspective, I have personally experienced two distinct "types" of failure when lifting, (muscular and neurological). When I experience muscular failure on a lift, it is usually preceded by a progressive slowing of rep cadence and often by the progressive breakdown of rep form. By reducing the weight and continuing, the set, I can grind out more reps past "the point of failure". When I experience neurological failure, the effect is sudden, even if the rep is otherwise going smoothly, but the dead giveaway is my ability to preform additional reps with reduced load... even if I drop half the weight, I still can't complete an additional rep without "resetting my brain". This kind of failure is exclusively reserved for compound movements, at least it is for me, and I can usually overcome it by dropping the weights and activating the same muscle group that I was training but in a way that is "out of the ordinary" or not the usual firing order for the muscles involved.
And that brings me nicely to my last, and I feel most pertinent point, HOW IN THE NAME OF F*&k, do any of you form a coherent thought during a lift? Seriously, I have to use ALL of my faculties just to count the reps. If you asked me to estimate how many theoretical reps I have in the tank with a given load, You would be lucky for me to shout through clenched teeth...."QUIET!!!", but nine times out of ten, you would just hear the sound of bowel release!
For fuck's sake dude, you're on a getting jacked channel, you can't expect people here to read all that. We're not reading to failure here you know.
@@YanDoroshenko ugg oh oh ugh ag
Dr. Mike never fails to impress with his well thought out interview questions, witty self-deprecating humour, and incredibly bulbous and baldous dome thumbnails which sends me on an endless RP binge.
Ruffalo's study is actually pretty awesome....love the last part where he tells you how to turn into a huge big green moster
Mike when will you respond to Greg bodying you in his magnum opus about you quitting bodybuilding? Heard you got all sensitive behind the scenes. You can give it but can’t take it apparently 😂
-sincerely, the guy you called a Venice beach pothead knowing nothing about me
Europeans have known this for decades. Stress is the major dictator for muscle gain and loss. Extra muscle is a liability for a stressed body and failure of any kind is all chalked up as stress to the body.
Brad is always so nice to listen about his expertise (although I bet he's a nice guy to have a random chat as well). He's so careful to note everything he can't say for sure or draw conclusions from. Yet he also knows so much about studying the topic and training in practical sense. He's like another Eric Helms, guy who says he never had that great of genes, but so jacked your jaw drops anyway.
I believe the study in Jyväskylä Brad is talking about is one that my friend was doing his master's in! So cool. No surprise he's damn jacked as well.
JFC here we go again... This week we learn why not to train to failure. Next week we learn why we should train to failure. Rinse and repeat lol
? It's always not smart to go to failure
There’s nuance. Situations are situational
@@zenitsuyaboi9879 Are you paying attention?
He’s been saying to avoid hitting failure for a good while now.
The general advice has always been to stop few reps short of failure for most of the time. Not sure where you got the opposite impression.
I went through a very difficult personal circumstance in February. I responded by being a meathead in the Gym. Trained every day for 2 hours, heavy as I could .
After about 2 month i lost 20lbs, all my hair fell out and i couldnt get out of bed for a week. I didnt even realise how bad i felt until i hit the wall. Only really feeling healthy(ish) again now.
My question has always been, when determining how many reps/sets you should do for a given exercise, should you take into account the remaining exercises you have left? I usually start with my deadlifts and if I push to failure I see that my other exercises suffer. Hoping they answer this as the video continues! Love the research based content.
This is why it's recommended to regularly switch the exercises you start with first depending on which muscle groups you feel are lagging. Additionally deadlifts don't have to be in every pull day (or whichever day it falls into your program). Have a Pull day A with a number of pull exercises, and then a Pull day B with a different set of pull exercises to maximize your range, rotating the order regularly.
Yes
Whats ur workout on that day
so true. you’re absolutely right about not knowing whether or not you are taking into consideration the other exercises. I feel the same way
Don't start with the hardest exercise.
A deadlift requires almost every muscle of your body. If you drain your body battery at the beginning, you won't have much energy left for easier exercises.
Actually I am training to failure. It's not that hard to know. I know that's crazy to say from someone like me who isn't a PhD but I swear if you can't do another rep, it's failure. You can even use a little body english to squeeze out more reps (CRAZY)... Because if you're deadlifting and barbell rowing hundreds of pounds, swaying your back a little bit on 40# dumbbell curls and 25# lateral raises isn't going to shoot my discs across the room. I'd bet my last dollar on it. Then you can go beyond failure. It feels good and it works great. This is the most tired topic in fitness along with the volume debate that's been happening for like a decade.
I went to the gym for the first time in years after deciding that I'd like to get fit (just finished a very high deficit diet where I lost 30 lbs) and went to failure on each set of a full body weight training workout - I had heard that you should take it easy when starting out but I had also heard that newbies shouldn't be strong enough to actually hurt themselves so I wasn't super worried - I just figured that I would be super sore which I was fine with since I was only planning on working out once a week starting out. As expected, I had a pretty gnarly couple of days of soreness and I didn't think anything of it, that is, until I started peeing brown. Four days post exercise, I'm in the hospital with rhabdomyolysis (had never even heard of it before this) and CK levels over 100k.
I can't find any content on your channel about rhabdo but I think it would be cool to go into detail about the physiological distinctions between DOMS and rhabdo and how to avoid rhabdo when exercising this intensely.
But they were Australian... Are they really people 🤣🤣🤣 eff you Mike, I'm Aussie and a woman 🤣 (trolling you) nah jokes. I don't know if we are ppl or kangaroos 🤣🤣🤣 I love you sm Mike ❤ thank you for this it's so flipping insightful ❤❤❤❤
Training more often but with RIR 2-3 made my life better honestly. Im not fried the day after, can go more often ( I love training ) and it has taught me restraint. It may feel good in the moment to give it all but it hinders/slows your progress down by a lot. Not to mention the next day fatigue/fried cns which makes you a walking npc.
I’ve seen videos of Brad’s idea of training to failure. In fact, it didn’t even qualify as bogging down. It was, at best, 2 reps short, for me 3 short. If that’s his failure, his 2 reps short’s actually 4 or 5. A joke, (his, not mine)
This is probably my first comment ever, but I've been watching alot of your videos dr mike and I'm seriously confused about the importance of "failure"
Alot of your training vids show you & the guest being pushed to failure with myo rep sets, along with some of your sit down "explanation videos" highlighting the importance of training to failure, which then stimulates that muscle group for more growth.
Then there's this vid & title.
Please settle this for a 1 year old gym newbie: Is going to failure important or not?
Thank you.
Bruh, why is the fitness community so annoyingly overcomplicated. Everyone roasting people for not training to failure, but then on another day say don't train to failure because it'll give you too much fatigue, just do 3-5 RIR.
Come on, man.
Bruh, why is the fitness community so annoyingly overcomplicated. Everyone roasting people for not training to failure, but then on another day say don't train to failure because it'll give you too much fatigue, just do 3-5 RIR.
Come on, man.
Niice, so failing is in strict form with the same weight right? everything thats outside of strict form with the same weight is beyond faillure? so how i understand it now, dropsets are most likely to be junk volume when you already doing 3 work set of about 15 reps each.
Interview with the vampire.
When people talk about how they train in individual sessions but have no idea how training has gone over a measurable period of time where there are strength and size milestones specifically written down as goals and the program is designed to effortlessly achieve those goals. When I say effortlessly I don't mean without effort I mean if you work backwards from a goal that is realistic it's much easier to set yourself up for success trying to have magical workouts every time you train why do you think about intensity techniques and all this other b*******. Straight sets taking two steps forward and one step back meaning as you increase load 42 to 3 weeks in a row, you reduce the load so the net the fact is that you start off 5 to 10 lb heavier than where you started. By going back and covering familiar territory again with increased strength and setting ups every few launch weather they are 5 lbs, 10 lbs 15 lb are gainss that are fairly realistic until you are at a point where you are so strong relative to the way you train ,(obviously a powerlifter is going to be stronger because of the way he trains then a champion bodybuilder of equal weight). Therefore, until you are as strong as the top guys in your sport who are at your weight, strength should be a priority. Now understand what I mean by strength. Power lifting strength is simply your one rep max at a sanctioned meet. Bodybuilding strength is how strong you are given your unique training style. A guy who trains with higher volume and two more moderate to high rep range with search form with respect to your body position, controlling the negative and controlling the concentric whether you train explosively war within moderate speed. A guy that can bounce 500 lb off his chest for three reps on a flat bench may be able to move more weight in a sloppy form on flat bench what does that make him stronger than a guy who can do 12 repetitions using perfect form with 315 lb on a 45 degree incline press. 12 reps with 3:15 in perfect form is stronger when it comes to building the most muscle for his given sport in the right areas of the chest. Points for strength are non-existent so if you are strong based on the way you train compared with anybody else who trains in your style then you don't need to worry about getting that much stronger because it sounds to me like at this point the only key to getting stronger is more muscle strength is a tool from which to gain muscle in bodybuilding people who are constantly talking about train to failure engineering for straps and all this other bullcrap I rarely the strongest guys in the gym. Watch Dan African or Ronnie Coleman training OverWatch the late Dallas McCarver or Nick Walker training. Is there any mystery to why they are the most heavily muscled guys on stage.of course not. Flex wheeleramf Phil hrath have incredible mass aforementioned bodybuilders they don't have that silverback rugged look and believe me they are still plenty strong
I'm sorry but the actual data doesn't support 'not training to failure' for maximizing hypertrophy. It's astounding how unscientific can a science based training channel be sometimes...
I can see that going to failure can have a negative effect on hypertrophy, but you only briefly mentioned strength training, say attempting a 1RM, how is this counter productive to strength training? as with strength training you will use lower rep ranges and most likely have a higher RPE / lower RIR
I tried some high volume training not to failure recently and didn't get any arm growth out of it.
But I wanted to try Mike's full stretch and slow negatives and got 1/4" on my after one training session. I dip 6 reps of and chins but each rep was negative only and I faught all the way down. I'm beyond sore. So each rep went to negative failure.
I think it shows how everyone is different. I've always responded to high intensity training and not high volume
What if my failure wasnt another guys failure, how would that compare! My arms give up but chest is fully stimulated, other guys arms dont give up but chest was already stimulated! Isnt that when mind muscle connection comes in?