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Thought Crimez I have to know who lupe has battled? Who has lupe went head up with? We know Duckworth is with the shit. But if Lupe hasn’t had any note worthy battles then where do we see this being competitive? Maybe I’m tripping. Idk anymore!
seven grow7 Duckworth is with the shit? He never responded to a single control verse response and has yet to respond to Montana 300 or papoose, all he does is subliminally diss big Sean and drake, so tell me, how is kendrick "with the shit"? I believe lupe is more with the shit then kendrick would ever be unlike kendrick lupe isn't an industry plant don't believe the hype
Lupe Fiasco's Mural, lyrically, is the new gold standard as for innovation of the art form. If you know Lupe at all, you know he dgaf about mainstream clout. He hates it... And everyone it. Not because he didn't get the notoriety you think he wants, he hated it because it's filled with superficial vultures that love the business of music more than the actual music. The ppl that care about gossip & news cycles more than the music. He's a lyricist. A rapper's rapper. With the likes of MF DOOM, Aesop Rock, Pharaoh Monch, Kool Keith, Slug, Black Thought, Loaded Lux & battle rappers, etc. These rappers are different. They care about the art form & how to break a word down to every syllable. So bringing up that typical "they jealous of album sales or that they couldn't cut it in the mainstream or mc so & so took your lane" is based on your own assumptions. Cause its only industry talking heads that are under the assumption these rappers have cared about any of that clout in their careers. You think Madvillany, The Cold Vein, Violent By Design, Re:Clear Blue Skies, Labor Days, Below the Heavens, Overcast, 3rd Eye Visions, Deltron 3030, etc. were made for the masses? Your assumptions of why any rapper Is vexed is so surface level and sounds like a reflection of what yall put on a pedestal and frankly it sounds like naive, teenager music IQ. And that's clean & all... I just thought I'd be able to hold yall opinions to a higher level. And tell dude he is not funny. Ya roast game shakey & is too drunk, country uncle.
Straight up Lupe is a better lyricist than Kendrick. You gotta hear Lupes discography he goes in. Lupe was supposed to be Kendrick but he didn’t play by the rules.
Marcell Lymuel that's the truth..he shouldn't sound bitter though. He came out at a different time and hip hop back then was not really ready for him (his fans were) you where ether gangsta or Kanya back then. I still think Lupe had the best response to the control verse but no one even talks about it...
A lot of people just focus on the name dropping in Kendrick's "control" verse and ignore the fact that the entire verse is quotable and laced with punchlines. Go listen again.
It's weird that I'm not more excited about this "battle". The two are great but for some reason this doesn't make me happy. Kind of wish they would team up and get some of these other clowns out of here. But hey we'll see what happen.
If Lupe goes at it with Kendrick. He might have to dumb down his material for the average rap fan to have him coming out as the winner. Unless he only cares what die hard hip hop heads think. Plus he's at some what of a disadvantage due to Kendrick being at his zenith, popularity wise.
Lupe called out Kendrick and Kendrick backed down. Simple as that. If Kendrick keeps this up he better find a new profession. You can't be the king without defending the throne.
Kendrick Lamar ain't fuccin with Lupe. Flat out. And I've always said the same shit... That control verse was highly overrated. Honestly, bars for bars, there's probably only 3-5 emcees in all of hip hop that could actually match Lupe. And that's IF it's even 3-5!
Yes! The Control verse is very overrated. It was hyped up cuz he rattled off a few artists by name. There wasn't one dope subliminal or punch in that verse. Can't remember one line from it.
Kendrick don’t want to see lupe Lupe is an elite artist one of the best just go play his song “burger with cheese” Kendrick is nice but nothing on lupe level
Also kendrick was very punchline heavy on his early mixtapes, he then started to focus more on storytelling, concepts and song writing which is why he had made phenomenal albums. Lupe said he was introduced to kendrick after section 80. Which means he hasn't heard all his other projects
I agree with Lupe. I'm a fan of Kendrick but I never thought he was a top teir lyricist. His strong points are his flow, delivery, and ability to tell stories and come up with concepts. Rappers like Eminem, Royce, Crooked I, Lupe, Black Thought are far superior lyrically.
Tetsuo and Youth was Lupes comeback album after a few weak albums...then he followed up with a weak one with Drogas Light. Solo, I think you are referring to Justin Hunte aka The Company Man who said Tetsuo and Youth was a underrated classic.
Mr. Bullet Club Biggz The Verbal Assassin Drogas Light was done on purpose though to catch ears, it was a face value album. Now he's working his way backward with Drogas Wave and Skulls.
Lupe=Elite MC, K.Dot=Elite Artist. This isn't a slight to either one of them. Lupe, like many MCs today unfortunately, doesn't get his just due from the masses. Hip-hop heads know his work, but the group thought contingency who is constantly propping up a Lil, has no clue. Kendrick Lamar is nice but I wouldn't rate him lyrically above a Crooked I. Now as an overall artist? Different story.
andre harvey I think an analogy for Kendrick would be like Pac. Pac lyrically wasn't the most technical MC, but all the other intangibles, he checked the box. Charisma, impact, message in his songs, the larger than life persona and he could rap. Now before anyone jumps out the window, I'm not talking down on Pac or saying Kendrick is Pac, but the similarities as being a complete artist are there. Compare that with Ruck, elite MC, but he wasn't there to be the cover of a magazine artist. He was an Elite MC that would bar your ass to death. It's kinda like how some people are just now getting around to acknowledging. Black Thought as an Elite MC and in the discussion of GOAT. Hip-Hop headz, we been knowing. The masses in my opinion must have thought he was a gimmick, "oh a rapper in a band, that's different.", not realizing he getting 99% of these rappers up out the paint. Yet as far as mass appeal goes, he will never get that just due that he deserves. No light bars with Thought, he would have to dumb it down on a large scale just to get that recognition from the group thought contingency.
100% true. The Group thought contingency is what deems people like Drake and Kanye lyrical Gods...meanwhile the guy in the 3rd floor, 1 bedroom walk-up crafting their songs gets no love. Lupe started as an elite MC with the mixtapes and those made his first two releases seem weak. Kendrick is getting better with no label issues and far better production. I'd posit that if Lupe had the behind the scenes push from a Dre type that Kendrick got, he'd be considered top 3 by the same group think contingency that dismisses him now.
221ddj Glad you brought up Drake and Kanye. Kanye as a producer, specifically his older work, deserves its due. However when I hear people saying he has a classic album??? As a rapper? And you ain't writing your shit? Now the group thought contingency will bring up Dre, but we never considered him as a rapper or MC. Super producer minus those wack Em albums, ok, but it never got twisted that lyrically he was someone of note. Drake, same boat. The second Meek Mill exposed that he wasn't writing his own shit, for me and others who that's a big mf deal, he was out the door. Yet group thought there to save the day with all of the lame Meek Mill and L's jokes. Thank goodness Budden 4-0 swept Drakes ass up out the paint. We haven't heard him with any of that best rapper alive bullshit since. Now as for Lupe, you are correct. He doesn't have that machine behind him like Kendrick. Again, no knock against Kendrick but that shit makes a difference. Another prime example of that making a difference...BIG KRIT. His and Lupe's story and trajectory almost mirror each other. This generation missed the boat completely on two of the better MCs of this era and Hip-Hop as a whole is paying for it. If Atlantic and Def Jam did their damn job like they seem to be able to do with a Lil, things might be different.
Meershyam Bappoo Your trying to compare punchlines. A better comparison would be verse by verse when it comes to artwork.. He said, nobody else ever loved him That's why he get high enough to go touch the heavens above him Vividly remembers every pipe, every needle that stuck him Every alley he ever slept in, every purse that he snuck in Every level of hell he's been to, and the one that he's stuck in The one he can't escape, even though it's of his own construction Maybe you can relate, maybe you one of those that just doesn't Maybe he doesn't care, loves to allow these demons to come in -Intruder Alert (The Cool)
i think the music argument is down to their grooming. Kendrick had a musical sensei in Dr. Dre who groomed him to what he is today. Whereas Lupe has just been by himself the whole time (with Atlantic bullshitting him along the way). If Lupe had Dre grooming him he'd make music that's just as good as Kendrick's.
finallynb Think I can agree. Look at Justin Huntes breakdown, if his dude Chilly never went to jail and they got together with Jay-Z, I can only imagine the damage he could've done.
Darrel Hilt not talking about making beats. I’m talking about executive production. Overseeing the projects. Knowing what’s needed to get the job done.
Lupe would smoke his boots lyrically..lol Kendrick know this ..he should just ignore lupe ..Stick to dissing big Sean ...lupe probably one of the few mainstream artist that could hang with the battle rappers bar for bar
I just hope the BP soundtrack will also have a lot of Africa artist. I meant he is African and this would be a great chance to let the artist of the country shine in a big way. I want that African vibe on there too
I feel like lupe is one of the most underrated rappers most of his albums has been phenomenal and I don’t agree with everything he says but he is passionate about rap and jay electronica is a waste of lyrical talent like he was what I call a “limited edition rapper” since he barely released music but when he did it was something special and was a big buzz in the rap game
I know which person you're talking about "Why Lupe Fiasco's T&Y is underrated" Prince, seen that video myself. I'll say this, the reason it was overlooked on the grand scale was because TPAB came out the same year around the same time and the hype around it grabbed the masses attention. T&Y was a side note before it had a chance to be digested. On the Kendrick vs Lupe note, Kendrick's MAD solid as a Lyricist, but he don't want smoke with Lupe.
the control verse hit when people were saying hip hop died and kendrick said they need to lift the bar/standard... which was the thinking of back than which gave kdot the tag savior of rap and its had every rap shook or feeling some kind of way since than
He called the Control verse wack, but he still talking about the "wack verse" 6 years later. I gotta disagree with his lyrical assessment of Kendrick. Kendrick got double entendres and metaphors on multiple songs. Not as technical as Lupe, but he does got it. Kendrick got better flow than Lupe. Although Lupe is a great MC, he has a tendency to half assed his technical ability or when he display it, it's sounds too forced and pretentious sometimes. Lupe has been jealous of Kendrick for years. He even say Logic, someone who get heavy influence from Kendrick, better than Kendrick. Lupe's discography is one of the most inconsistent in Hip-Hop. For someone in that caliber, it's disappointing. He's only got two classic albums while Kendrick Lamar got at least 3 and he still make consistent quality work. C'mon now. Kendrick is getting his credit in the game, while Lupe is being a hater and trying hard to imitate Samurai Jack on Instagram.
Melvin Slaughter disagree. Go listen to mural and failure bro . Kendrick has nothing in his catalog touching those songs lyrically .. I agree with lupe being inconsistent..but when he’s on ..he’s super gifted..Kendrick is a better artist..lupe is a better lyricist
Imperial stats T&Y is dope. But nah, bruh. Kendrick Lamar got three classics excluding Damn. The Cool and T&Y is Lupe's best in his entire career which is kinda disappointing.
Lupe is 100 percent right. Most people can't recite one fill bar from Kendrick BUT we know this channel is K dot fan boyz and will bash Lupe for saying it
K DRE First of all why you gotta name call just because you disagree with me? Second I never said anything about Lupe rapping I said K Dot. And Third of all, grow up internet banger.
As long as your lyrics have meaning; everybody ain't gone be Lupe or rap like him... that shit would drive me crazy. Kendrick is top tier, and I would've forgotten about the "Control" verse by now if rappers would let it go. Lupe could attack so many artist in the game, why K.Dot. Wack move Lu... Lupe drying up
Kendrick may not be a Top Tier lyricist but many rappers and top tier lyricist can't structure great projects and songs like Kendrick. It's well known that top tier lyricist struggle tremendously in those areas for example: King Los Big L Papoose Joell Ortiz Royce da 5'9 just to name a few. So at the end of the day most Top tier lyricist would die for a discography as good as Kendrick's, they only great at freestyles and cyphers
kendrick stopped with punchlines cause you cant have classic albums with punh-line driven albums.... look at all the new age classic albums and you will see that most of them are story and concept based... even nas's classic is concept and story instead of punch line based
They both on my top 10 of all time so its hard lol but this would be dope ass battle. Keep it hip hop tho. I just think Lupe want smoke. So does Kendrick he been waiting to battle for the longest lol Sidenote: I think Lupe just challenging him n trolling lol plus his new album on the way so this would be great promo if they lyrically went at it
Let's be serious... Lupe will eat Kendrick's grits. Reference SLR 2 ----> arguably the greatest "diss" track of all time. You can tell when people aren't familiar with Lu's body of work. Kills me that everybody always talk about F&L and the Cool being the only classics. Lu has mixtapes better than most Albums...
Nigaaz call that verse weird because Kendrick fooled everyone including myself, in the same way Lupe did in particular, into thinking he was just a backpack; b boy type rapper. Niggaz felt like they should been mentioned, niggaz who got mentioned felt like they had to say something or it wasn't worth they time. He pulled a Lupe, he wanted people to respect lyrics even though he knew he would be reppn hustlaz and Gz. It was smart, both of y'all were smart for doing it and bringing the realness bac. Have at it. My two favorite young rappers are beefing and it's all about the bars.....???? where is my mothafukn popcorn? You lost your mind if you think I'm taking sides. I'm waitin for a winner. Tic, mothafukn, tic!!!!
Like Prince said, put them in the ring and let them drop tracks and show the world what a feud is supposed to look like. I did have to listen to Tetsuo and Youth a few times the see its worth. "Mural" starts that album off full force. As much as I love Lupe, Lupe does need to stfu sometimes, he be doing too much.
disagree with lupe if you want. But please understand, Lupe is so necessary in this game that when he was being held back by his recording label an unknown group sent threats to release him warning not to mess with him, common or any other list of their conscious MCs. Kendrick was not on that list. Be mindful of that when you claim kendrick's music is better than Lupe's with just one album.
Kendrick’s delivery and flow are way better than Lupe Could ever dream of doing. Bar for bar Lupe could wash him but Lupe’s love for bars over everything is a part of the reason why his career and music fell off.
Lupe's flow is way smoother and cleaner than Kendrick's. I find Kendrick sounding robotic and choppy a lot of the time. Plus he relies on using a lot of weird, annoying voices to get his point across.
Kendrick Lamar's whole style, delivery, and flow is a copied mixture of Andre 3000 and Eminem. Folks just won't admit it. Listen to Rick Ross's joint "Sixteen", and it's crystal clear that Kendrick copied his style and sound.
Everyone was inspired. Listen to section 80 and you can see he has his own style. Even tupac said he got alot of his style from ice cube and you can hear it in some sense
Kendrick is not a punchline type rapper, and he has shown that he is capable of amazing punchlines. I don't think you need that to be a top tier lyricist. Kendrick has amazing storytelling, probably better than anybody. Great rhyme schemes when he wants to rap his ass off. Great concepts and so many flows. Control verse was overhyped but it wasn't wack. And kendrick still made his point with that verse.
Deanz Beber rn? Who else is there right now to challenge him Dude you literally said the best I highly doubt that he would be given two shits if he was in 90s and early 2000s
Saurav Parmar I think he's one of the greatest storytellers ever. I havn't heard anybody apart from nas who is as creative, detailed and poetic with his stories and ability to paint a picture.
Lupe is reaching but he is right as the lyricist point of view. But if this goes down I can see the outcome being the same as LL Cool J vs Canibus. Popularity always win. But if we listen to the lyrics rather than going with the hype then it will be something to watch. Don't know what would happen lyrically but it is obvious who would win with a better record.
Lupe is a monster but I been waiting for kdot to unleash some ether on another MC. Not just talking about Lupe. Big Sean is real close to getting slaughtered by Kendrick
Melvin Slaughter Big Sean can fucking rap tho. His verses on holy key and control are dope asf. Im just saying out of anyone Sean is the closet to getting that work. Him and drake throw shots here and there but Sean is pushing it
TopDawgEnt970 TopDawgEnt970 I never he couldn't rap,cause he clearly has talent,but what I'm saying is he 'may' not be skilled enough lyrically to go at Kendrick
Kdot got a new victim. Remember Jay E. had to apologize after what he "tried" to do. Big Sean already got that smoke. Body bags everywhere!!!!! #staywoke
Meitantei Tris oh bull crap 💩. Of course he cares, why do you think he’s going after Kendrick for silly shit? Coz Kenny took his spot. Don’t get me wrong though, I love Lupe, I have all of his albums. I even love Drogas Light (which most people hated). I thoroughly enjoy his music and I do believe that his punchlines and wordplay are better than Kendrick’s but Kendrick makes up for it with better delivery and cadence. They are both great Emcees, but Lupe is salty right now.
Melvin Slaughter Being an elite lyricist requires being an absolute word smith. Like Kool G rap for example. Lupe proved he's elite with mural. Kendrick isn't on that level lyrically
Melvin Slaughter A lot of people are referring technical ability as the reason why Kendrick isn't a elite lyricist and I easily disagree. Jay Z never really known for technical ability. Not to say, he doesn't have it. He's more known for his double / triple entendres, wordplay, and a little storytelling. And I still put him as one of the greatest MCs.
Kendrick Lamar vs. Lupe Fiasco vs. MF Doom vs. Nas vs. Black Thought vs. GZA vs. Rakim vs. Big Daddy Kane vs. Jay Electronica vs. J.Cole vs. Big K.R.I.T vs. Common vs. Andre 3000 vs. DJ Quik vs. Big Boi. Who wins?
The control verse...that whole song was trash to be honest. It only had shock value to easily impressed millennials. From that perspective I agree with Lupe. However, lesser artists have claimed to be the best (Drake, Wayne, Kanye) with very little blowback. I think Lupe took exception to it because he wasn't directly mentioned in it. But Kendrick was calling out folks in his own class so Lu shouldn't have been mentioned. This potential "beef" is weird, but it'd be a cool battle. Royce da 5' 9" will be watching closely I'm sure.
Lupe is the piccolo of rap. Everybody talk about how intelligent he is, and how skilled he is....but in the end, never do shit. Can’t blame the label, when everyone dropping mixtapes.
Punchlines are not always mandatory to get a point across....say real shit before you say a punchline. Punches are to wow the audience not to go over the audience head all the time. Punches don't have to be riddled in the music all the time, if so you're going to lose your audience if you ask me.
Lupe is right Kendrick is not an elite lyricist just like Pac wasn't either but what he has to say is so much more vital. My nigga Kdot has done WAY more for the culture of hip hop than Lupe. I like Lupe but come on really? Lupe is a lyrical prodigy that is out here painting himself in a bad light straight tarnishing his own legacy. Lupe has never compromised his artistry even a little bit and that's a great thing. Sadly I feel its also been his down fall facts. He had his moment to make his print on the culture and its past. My dude is trying to shine light on his project here nothing more. I hope its a dope album and I look forward to hearing it. If this comes to a battle I hope my guy doesn't get his ass blackballed like Canibus acting too extra out here.
Ayiti Cheri disagree. Lupe's overall artistry isnt reflected by his body of work. His label held em back. Lupe's talent is absurd. This is coming from a day 1 K.dot fan
I agree that Verse was overhyped it was just big cause he said names. A lot of MCs and fans have now came out and finally have said it was just the names that made that verse.
Kyky 101 that's not even one of kendricks best verses though. It is overhyped but who cares?. That verse is not what makes kendrick great. It was a big moment because there was no competitive nature in hiphop for a while and he still bodied jay elec ad big sean and made his point
Lupe is a just hater point blank period, I love Lupe but u can easily sense the jealously behind every Lupe remark about kendrick while kendrick has nothing said nothing
I do enjoy both artist music and they both have classic albums but I think when both of their careers are over Kendrick will have the greater impact in hip hop. Them going toe to toe would be fantastic for hip hop tho.
Lupe is off about the Kendrick “control” verse being hyped for 1 reason alone. Kendrick isn’t responsible for what the world does with his music after he releases it. To charge Kendrick with claiming to be the best mixed with the hype his “control” verse received muddies the issue. The fans hyped the verse after Kendrick released it not before. That verse pretty much came out of no where. To add the part about the hype being weird not only speaks to Lupe’s over inflated sense of self importance but also his annoyance with it all highlights his jealousy. Kendrick should absolutely focus on his career and ignore Lupe. You can’t open the door for any rapper with an infatuation to bait you into satisfying they’re egos. “Oh I’m annoyed with you K.dot we should battle”! No nigga...go that way ➡️➡️➡️➡️!
To be honest a better battle would be between King Los and Lupe but a quick side bar i fks with the anime at the end. Is this something that you guys created?
Man Lupe is just bitter, Kendrick Lamar has been an Elite Lyricist....some of y'all need to go back and listen to Kendrick dude is nasty w it.. Kendrick can rap just as well so stop it....And I want this beef to happen btw lol
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Thought Crimez he's telling the truth, kendrick is an average lyricist
Thought Crimez I have to know who lupe has battled? Who has lupe went head up with? We know Duckworth is with the shit. But if Lupe hasn’t had any note worthy battles then where do we see this being competitive? Maybe I’m tripping. Idk anymore!
seven grow7 Duckworth is with the shit? He never responded to a single control verse response and has yet to respond to Montana 300 or papoose, all he does is subliminally diss big Sean and drake, so tell me, how is kendrick "with the shit"? I believe lupe is more with the shit then kendrick would ever be unlike kendrick lupe isn't an industry plant don't believe the hype
Thought Crimez 2pac never said he was the best he said he was the realist
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It's not about punchlines anymore. Lil Wayne shit out punchlines like crazy but that's not what we want. We want substance.
Clifton Haralson nah punchlines still matters tho. I agree wit substance 💯 but PLs should be accounted for as well
Clifton Haralson facts
Lil Wayne>Kendrick
No matter what you say
Clifton Haralson Thank you brother...they just don't get it.
Lupe Fiasco's Mural, lyrically, is the new gold standard as for innovation of the art form. If you know Lupe at all, you know he dgaf about mainstream clout. He hates it... And everyone it. Not because he didn't get the notoriety you think he wants, he hated it because it's filled with superficial vultures that love the business of music more than the actual music. The ppl that care about gossip & news cycles more than the music. He's a lyricist. A rapper's rapper. With the likes of MF DOOM, Aesop Rock, Pharaoh Monch, Kool Keith, Slug, Black Thought, Loaded Lux & battle rappers, etc. These rappers are different. They care about the art form & how to break a word down to every syllable. So bringing up that typical "they jealous of album sales or that they couldn't cut it in the mainstream or mc so & so took your lane" is based on your own assumptions. Cause its only industry talking heads that are under the assumption these rappers have cared about any of that clout in their careers. You think Madvillany, The Cold Vein, Violent By Design, Re:Clear Blue Skies, Labor Days, Below the Heavens, Overcast, 3rd Eye Visions, Deltron 3030, etc. were made for the masses? Your assumptions of why any rapper Is vexed is so surface level and sounds like a reflection of what yall put on a pedestal and frankly it sounds like naive, teenager music IQ. And that's clean & all... I just thought I'd be able to hold yall opinions to a higher level. And tell dude he is not funny. Ya roast game shakey & is too drunk, country uncle.
You said with like likes of MF DOOM, makes your hole statement irrelevant lupe no where near MF DOOM
Meershyam Bappoo yeah he is.
mattgotjokes I wish I could like this comment more than once, very well said.
Meitantei Tris ✊✊✊
@@MrMb889 He absolutely is. The only thing DOOM has on Lupe is his rhyming ability. Lupe Fiasco is the best lyricist to ever grace the mic.
Straight up Lupe is a better lyricist than Kendrick. You gotta hear Lupes discography he goes in. Lupe was supposed to be Kendrick but he didn’t play by the rules.
Marcell Lymuel that's the truth..he shouldn't sound bitter though. He came out at a different time and hip hop back then was not really ready for him (his fans were) you where ether gangsta or Kanya back then. I still think Lupe had the best response to the control verse but no one even talks about it...
Marcell Lymuel Facts
Lupe started putting out terrible work.. yes he's had some good projects but also had some bad ones.
Bmore24 t well when you're not in control of what you put out that happens
Kendrick is no where near the greatest.
Concerning "Kendrick isn't an Elite Lyricist"....
*No lies detected* however high sodium levels found in Lupe.
jman exe lol, Sodium bicarbonate!!! 😂😂😂
Hahahaahaa...
A lot of people just focus on the name dropping in Kendrick's "control" verse and ignore the fact that the entire verse is quotable and laced with punchlines. Go listen again.
Lupe honestly sounds like a hater,dude said Logic was better than Kendrick,and to me that's just insane
Melvin Slaughter Having an opinion that differs from the majority doesn't make you a hater. That dumb ass logic needs to be thrown away.
Jirrell Johnson I understand it's an opinion,but it's a silly one lol,logic is good,but not better than Kendrick..calm down bro
It's weird that I'm not more excited about this "battle". The two are great but for some reason this doesn't make me happy. Kind of wish they would team up and get some of these other clowns out of here. But hey we'll see what happen.
Tokyo Inooshi thats exactly how i feel man
That control verse still got rappers hot
I hear king los has been throwing subliminals to
The control verse that is wack and overhyped yet you are still talking about it in 2018 🤔🤔
Obey Amma because ppl still mention it to him
Obey Amma Right
Obey Amma facts
>_>.... uhhh, that is literally the definition of OVERHYPED. Something that gets more praise than it should, like that verse. It's overhyped.
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Lupe would wash Kendrick. Shit wouldn’t be fair lol. Lupe ain’t for play
Very true
KontryBoy706 No lie
If Lupe was smart he would have collaborated on the album
If Lupe goes at it with Kendrick. He might have to dumb down his material for the average rap fan to have him coming out as the winner. Unless he only cares what die hard hip hop heads think. Plus he's at some what of a disadvantage due to Kendrick being at his zenith, popularity wise.
Lupe called out Kendrick and Kendrick backed down. Simple as that. If Kendrick keeps this up he better find a new profession. You can't be the king without defending the throne.
Ummmm wtf are you on about?
Kendrick used to do a lot of punchlines especially on his "Training Day" and "C4" mixtape. But now he's better at making songs and telling stories.
Bruh I said the exact same thing. Listen to "Day Dream" or "Kurupted" and tell me he aint got bars.
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Mention those punchlines I'm just curious
Kendrick Lamar ain't fuccin with Lupe. Flat out. And I've always said the same shit... That control verse was highly overrated. Honestly, bars for bars, there's probably only 3-5 emcees in all of hip hop that could actually match Lupe. And that's IF it's even 3-5!
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I would say MF Doom, Los, Canibus, Pharoah Monch, Black Thought, Nas, Rakim, there’s more but I can’t think of any
Yes! The Control verse is very overrated. It was hyped up cuz he rattled off a few artists by name. There wasn't one dope subliminal or punch in that verse. Can't remember one line from it.
The fact that people are still talking about the Control verse, proves that it is not as overrated as you think.
Does a rapper necessarily needs a lot of punchlines and double to be considered good??
Melvin Slaughter punchlines can get tired ! Especially if that’s all you have .
erickiam25 but in your opinion does a rapper necessarily need those two things
Melvin Slaughter no
Kendrick said "it aint all bout punch lines I dont do that"
Melvin Slaughter no you can say simple words but can have depth to it
Kendrick don’t want to see lupe Lupe is an elite artist one of the best just go play his song “burger with cheese” Kendrick is nice but nothing on lupe level
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Also kendrick was very punchline heavy on his early mixtapes, he then started to focus more on storytelling, concepts and song writing which is why he had made phenomenal albums. Lupe said he was introduced to kendrick after section 80. Which means he hasn't heard all his other projects
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I agree with Lupe. I'm a fan of Kendrick but I never thought he was a top teir lyricist. His strong points are his flow, delivery, and ability to tell stories and come up with concepts. Rappers like Eminem, Royce, Crooked I, Lupe, Black Thought are far superior lyrically.
Rome Wise Kendrick could keep up with some of these MCs.
What Fuck ? Kendrick Is very Top Tier Lyricist… You Is buggin
Tetsuo and Youth was Lupes comeback album after a few weak albums...then he followed up with a weak one with Drogas Light.
Solo, I think you are referring to Justin Hunte aka The Company Man who said Tetsuo and Youth was a underrated classic.
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Mr. Bullet Club Biggz The Verbal Assassin Drogas Light was done on purpose though to catch ears, it was a face value album. Now he's working his way backward with Drogas Wave and Skulls.
I like T and Y
Lupe=Elite MC, K.Dot=Elite Artist. This isn't a slight to either one of them. Lupe, like many MCs today unfortunately, doesn't get his just due from the masses. Hip-hop heads know his work, but the group thought contingency who is constantly propping up a Lil, has no clue. Kendrick Lamar is nice but I wouldn't rate him lyrically above a Crooked I. Now as an overall artist? Different story.
Trinidad Onassis Lupe's art is vastly overlooked too. Honestly he's been held back by his label which is fkn sad becuz Lupe been "woke"
Trinidad Onassis I can agree with this, I think Kendrick is more about balance though, he’s not overly skilled in one criteria.
andre harvey I think an analogy for Kendrick would be like Pac. Pac lyrically wasn't the most technical MC, but all the other intangibles, he checked the box. Charisma, impact, message in his songs, the larger than life persona and he could rap. Now before anyone jumps out the window, I'm not talking down on Pac or saying Kendrick is Pac, but the similarities as being a complete artist are there. Compare that with Ruck, elite MC, but he wasn't there to be the cover of a magazine artist. He was an Elite MC that would bar your ass to death. It's kinda like how some people are just now getting around to acknowledging. Black Thought as an Elite MC and in the discussion of GOAT. Hip-Hop headz, we been knowing. The masses in my opinion must have thought he was a gimmick, "oh a rapper in a band, that's different.", not realizing he getting 99% of these rappers up out the paint. Yet as far as mass appeal goes, he will never get that just due that he deserves. No light bars with Thought, he would have to dumb it down on a large scale just to get that recognition from the group thought contingency.
100% true. The Group thought contingency is what deems people like Drake and Kanye lyrical Gods...meanwhile the guy in the 3rd floor, 1 bedroom walk-up crafting their songs gets no love.
Lupe started as an elite MC with the mixtapes and those made his first two releases seem weak. Kendrick is getting better with no label issues and far better production. I'd posit that if Lupe had the behind the scenes push from a Dre type that Kendrick got, he'd be considered top 3 by the same group think contingency that dismisses him now.
221ddj Glad you brought up Drake and Kanye. Kanye as a producer, specifically his older work, deserves its due. However when I hear people saying he has a classic album??? As a rapper? And you ain't writing your shit? Now the group thought contingency will bring up Dre, but we never considered him as a rapper or MC. Super producer minus those wack Em albums, ok, but it never got twisted that lyrically he was someone of note. Drake, same boat. The second Meek Mill exposed that he wasn't writing his own shit, for me and others who that's a big mf deal, he was out the door. Yet group thought there to save the day with all of the lame Meek Mill and L's jokes. Thank goodness Budden 4-0 swept Drakes ass up out the paint. We haven't heard him with any of that best rapper alive bullshit since.
Now as for Lupe, you are correct. He doesn't have that machine behind him like Kendrick. Again, no knock against Kendrick but that shit makes a difference. Another prime example of that making a difference...BIG KRIT. His and Lupe's story and trajectory almost mirror each other. This generation missed the boat completely on two of the better MCs of this era and Hip-Hop as a whole is paying for it. If Atlantic and Def Jam did their damn job like they seem to be able to do with a Lil, things might be different.
I think straight up bar for bar lupe would win but Kendrick makes better music overall....they both dope AF they should work together
shadowkingz76 they already are, lol
can you tell me one line lupe has said that is better then anything kendrick has put out?
Meershyam Bappoo Your trying to compare punchlines. A better comparison would be verse by verse when it comes to artwork..
He said, nobody else ever loved him
That's why he get high enough to go touch the heavens above him
Vividly remembers every pipe, every needle that stuck him
Every alley he ever slept in, every purse that he snuck in
Every level of hell he's been to, and the one that he's stuck in
The one he can't escape, even though it's of his own construction
Maybe you can relate, maybe you one of those that just doesn't
Maybe he doesn't care, loves to allow these demons to come in -Intruder Alert (The Cool)
i think the music argument is down to their grooming. Kendrick had a musical sensei in Dr. Dre who groomed him to what he is today. Whereas Lupe has just been by himself the whole time (with Atlantic bullshitting him along the way). If Lupe had Dre grooming him he'd make music that's just as good as Kendrick's.
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Lupe is better there’s no debate it’s just that Kendrick has a better career overall as an Hip Hop Artist
Because of Dr. Dre.
finallynb Think I can agree. Look at Justin Huntes breakdown, if his dude Chilly never went to jail and they got together with Jay-Z, I can only imagine the damage he could've done.
finallynb Dre produced parts of one Kendrick album lol
Darrel Hilt not talking about making beats. I’m talking about executive production. Overseeing the projects. Knowing what’s needed to get the job done.
finallynb even then I don't think that's all on Dre
Lupe would smoke his boots lyrically..lol Kendrick know this ..he should just ignore lupe ..Stick to dissing big Sean ...lupe probably one of the few mainstream artist that could hang with the battle rappers bar for bar
I just hope the BP soundtrack will also have a lot of Africa artist. I meant he is African and this would be a great chance to let the artist of the country shine in a big way. I want that African vibe on there too
"Kendrick isn't an elite lyricist"??? um, ok.. GKMC is a better album than anything Lupe Fiasco would ever dream to do... THA FUCK OUTTA HEERRREEEEEEE
I feel like lupe is one of the most underrated rappers most of his albums has been phenomenal and I don’t agree with everything he says but he is passionate about rap and jay electronica is a waste of lyrical talent like he was what I call a “limited edition rapper” since he barely released music but when he did it was something special and was a big buzz in the rap game
I know which person you're talking about "Why Lupe Fiasco's T&Y is underrated" Prince, seen that video myself. I'll say this, the reason it was overlooked on the grand scale was because TPAB came out the same year around the same time and the hype around it grabbed the masses attention. T&Y was a side note before it had a chance to be digested. On the Kendrick vs Lupe note, Kendrick's MAD solid as a Lyricist, but he don't want smoke with Lupe.
I won’t stand for no type of Lupe Fiasco slander..
The Control verse was whyyyyyy over rated. People acted like GOD had spoken when it dropped but it really naaa.
the control verse hit when people were saying hip hop died and kendrick said they need to lift the bar/standard... which was the thinking of back than which gave kdot the tag savior of rap and its had every rap shook or feeling some kind of way since than
He called the Control verse wack, but he still talking about the "wack verse" 6 years later. I gotta disagree with his lyrical assessment of Kendrick. Kendrick got double entendres and metaphors on multiple songs. Not as technical as Lupe, but he does got it. Kendrick got better flow than Lupe. Although Lupe is a great MC, he has a tendency to half assed his technical ability or when he display it, it's sounds too forced and pretentious sometimes. Lupe has been jealous of Kendrick for years. He even say Logic, someone who get heavy influence from Kendrick, better than Kendrick. Lupe's discography is one of the most inconsistent in Hip-Hop. For someone in that caliber, it's disappointing. He's only got two classic albums while Kendrick Lamar got at least 3 and he still make consistent quality work. C'mon now. Kendrick is getting his credit in the game, while Lupe is being a hater and trying hard to imitate Samurai Jack on Instagram.
Shawn Orjiakor I'll say Kendrick has at least two,but I agree with the logic point..lyrically and creatively,he's not better than Kendrick
Melvin Slaughter Yep.
Melvin Slaughter disagree. Go listen to mural and failure bro . Kendrick has nothing in his catalog touching those songs lyrically .. I agree with lupe being inconsistent..but when he’s on ..he’s super gifted..Kendrick is a better artist..lupe is a better lyricist
Po Rich I was talking about the rapper Logic not Lupe
Imperial stats T&Y is dope. But nah, bruh. Kendrick Lamar got three classics excluding Damn. The Cool and T&Y is Lupe's best in his entire career which is kinda disappointing.
If anybody can talk about lyrics it's Lupe. In my opinion he's the best lyricist of all time, not the best rapper but definitely the best lyricist.
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Lupe vs K.Dot would be a great battle. Lupe is jealous because he wanted to be the super conscious nigga that getting the commercial success. Lol
Lupe is 100 percent right. Most people can't recite one fill bar from Kendrick BUT we know this channel is K dot fan boyz and will bash Lupe for saying it
Domo Hzzy Lupe either! Clown
K DRE First of all why you gotta name call just because you disagree with me? Second I never said anything about Lupe rapping I said K Dot. And Third of all, grow up internet banger.
name one lupe line?
Meershyam Bappoo Kick Push. Only 2 words.
What about Kendrick?
Meershyam Bappoo You guys keep bringing up Lupe.. Fuck Lupe we talking about KENDRICK not Lupe SMH you kids are dumb af
Put them both in the ring and let's get it!!!! Let's not forget that genuine "freestyle" Lupe did on Sway in the morning....
As long as your lyrics have meaning; everybody ain't gone be Lupe or rap like him... that shit would drive me crazy. Kendrick is top tier, and I would've forgotten about the "Control" verse by now if rappers would let it go. Lupe could attack so many artist in the game, why K.Dot. Wack move Lu... Lupe drying up
Kendrick may not be a Top Tier lyricist but many rappers and top tier lyricist can't structure great projects and songs like Kendrick. It's well known that top tier lyricist struggle tremendously in those areas for example: King Los Big L Papoose Joell Ortiz Royce da 5'9 just to name a few. So at the end of the day most Top tier lyricist would die for a discography as good as Kendrick's, they only great at freestyles and cyphers
Kendrick Is very top Tier Lyricist You Is buggin
I like Kendrick's music better than Lupe's but I have to agree with him on how he feels about Kendrick as a lyricist people hype him up too much.
kendrick stopped with punchlines cause you cant have classic albums with punh-line driven albums.... look at all the new age classic albums and you will see that most of them are story and concept based... even nas's classic is concept and story instead of punch line based
isaac debeila 😂 you funny hip-hop today doesn't even have any classics yet you have the tendency to compare Nas I'llmatic to what kendrick tpab.
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Lupe would kill kdot. Lupe's lyrics are out of this world
I like both of them. It's good for the culture. Maybe we'll get a Control 2
"I know some rappers using big words to make their similies curve, my simplest shit be more pivotal" - that was a shot at Lupe imo
They both on my top 10 of all time so its hard lol but this would be dope ass battle. Keep it hip hop tho. I just think Lupe want smoke. So does Kendrick he been waiting to battle for the longest lol
Sidenote: I think Lupe just challenging him n trolling lol plus his new album on the way so this would be great promo if they lyrically went at it
Fiasco v Lamar 2018 Big Sean v His Cornball Bars as the under card
Let's be serious... Lupe will eat Kendrick's grits. Reference SLR 2 ----> arguably the greatest "diss" track of all time. You can tell when people aren't familiar with Lu's body of work. Kills me that everybody always talk about F&L and the Cool being the only classics. Lu has mixtapes better than most Albums...
Darius Adams exactly Enemy of the State was fire
Larren Green I was just bumping that yesterday... People are sleep when it comes to Lu's body of work.
Lupe jealous
Nigaaz call that verse weird because Kendrick fooled everyone including myself, in the same way Lupe did in particular, into thinking he was just a backpack; b boy type rapper. Niggaz felt like they should been mentioned, niggaz who got mentioned felt like they had to say something or it wasn't worth they time. He pulled a Lupe, he wanted people to respect lyrics even though he knew he would be reppn hustlaz and Gz. It was smart, both of y'all were smart for doing it and bringing the realness bac. Have at it. My two favorite young rappers are beefing and it's all about the bars.....???? where is my mothafukn popcorn? You lost your mind if you think I'm taking sides. I'm waitin for a winner. Tic, mothafukn, tic!!!!
Like Prince said, put them in the ring and let them drop tracks and show the world what a feud is supposed to look like. I did have to listen to Tetsuo and Youth a few times the see its worth. "Mural" starts that album off full force. As much as I love Lupe, Lupe does need to stfu sometimes, he be doing too much.
disagree with lupe if you want. But please understand, Lupe is so necessary in this game that when he was being held back by his recording label an unknown group sent threats to release him warning not to mess with him, common or any other list of their conscious MCs. Kendrick was not on that list. Be mindful of that when you claim kendrick's music is better than Lupe's with just one album.
Bruh this would be an epic beef on wax. IMO Lupe is more lyrical but Kendricks delivery and creativity is out worldly.
Kendrick’s delivery and flow are way better than Lupe Could ever dream of doing. Bar for bar Lupe could wash him but Lupe’s love for bars over everything is a part of the reason why his career and music fell off.
Lupe's flow is way smoother and cleaner than Kendrick's. I find Kendrick sounding robotic and choppy a lot of the time. Plus he relies on using a lot of weird, annoying voices to get his point across.
Kendrick Lamar's whole style, delivery, and flow is a copied mixture of Andre 3000 and Eminem. Folks just won't admit it. Listen to Rick Ross's joint "Sixteen", and it's crystal clear that Kendrick copied his style and sound.
BAM Listen to his music. It's obvious.
that's every emcee in the world, NO ONES EXEMPT
he does nothing new! HE FUKIN LIED!!!
Everyone was inspired. Listen to section 80 and you can see he has his own style. Even tupac said he got alot of his style from ice cube and you can hear it in some sense
Black God99 HE FUCKKKKKIN LIED
Kendrick is not a punchline type rapper, and he has shown that he is capable of amazing punchlines. I don't think you need that to be a top tier lyricist. Kendrick has amazing storytelling, probably better than anybody. Great rhyme schemes when he wants to rap his ass off. Great concepts and so many flows. Control verse was overhyped but it wasn't wack. And kendrick still made his point with that verse.
Deanz Beber storytelling better than anybody?
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Saurav Parmar right now yes. His storytelling is the best
Deanz Beber rn?
Who else is there right now to challenge him
Dude you literally said the best
I highly doubt that he would be given two shits if he was in 90s and early 2000s
Saurav Parmar I think he's one of the greatest storytellers ever. I havn't heard anybody apart from nas who is as creative, detailed and poetic with his stories and ability to paint a picture.
Deanz Beber it would sound little but exaggerated but MF doom is the best in my opinion, black thought and Eminem too
They all just better at it
Lupe is reaching but he is right as the lyricist point of view. But if this goes down I can see the outcome being the same as LL Cool J vs Canibus. Popularity always win. But if we listen to the lyrics rather than going with the hype then it will be something to watch. Don't know what would happen lyrically but it is obvious who would win with a better record.
It's been far to long that Lupe has been outside of the competitive space. Don't let your emotions get the dust knocked off you Lupe. Js.
Caleber Bodley kendrick can't smoke Lupe period
PhantomZone15 Keep thinking that, stranger things than that have happened in battles before when feet start getting held to the fire.
your are right
Lupe is a monster but I been waiting for kdot to unleash some ether on another MC. Not just talking about Lupe. Big Sean is real close to getting slaughtered by Kendrick
TopDawgEnt970 TopDawgEnt970 in my opinion,I don't think big Sean has enough lyrical skill to even stand a chance against Kendrick
Melvin Slaughter Big Sean can fucking rap tho. His verses on holy key and control are dope asf. Im just saying out of anyone Sean is the closet to getting that work. Him and drake throw shots here and there but Sean is pushing it
TopDawgEnt970 TopDawgEnt970 I never he couldn't rap,cause he clearly has talent,but what I'm saying is he 'may' not be skilled enough lyrically to go at Kendrick
Kendrick should just drop the heart part 5 and black out on lupe and everyone who wants smoke
ShackZone TV Idk fam
That would be a his worst move .
T&Y is a classic. GKMC and Untitled Unmastered are the only K dot projects that I like.
Kdot got a new victim. Remember Jay E. had to apologize after what he "tried" to do. Big Sean already got that smoke. Body bags everywhere!!!!! #staywoke
discjockayo no
He jealous of K.Dot
Lupe mad Kendrick took his spot..😂
LBJTITAN23 that’s impossible
Lupe the killa I say that in how Lupe was the poster child for "Conscious" rap but it's now Kendrick
LBJTITAN23 Not really. Lupe doesn't care for the industry, never did. He spoke on this long ago before Kendrick was where he is now and recently.
Meitantei Tris oh bull crap 💩. Of course he cares, why do you think he’s going after Kendrick for silly shit? Coz Kenny took his spot. Don’t get me wrong though, I love Lupe, I have all of his albums. I even love Drogas Light (which most people hated). I thoroughly enjoy his music and I do believe that his punchlines and wordplay are better than Kendrick’s but Kendrick makes up for it with better delivery and cadence. They are both great Emcees, but Lupe is salty right now.
For those who say Kendrick isn't an Elite lyricist..then what exactly is an "Elite" lyricist then?? Or are y'all just running your mouths?
Melvin Slaughter Even I want to know. I know a lot of lyricists. There's several types of lyricists.
Shawn Orjiakor well hopefully someone will explain,cause I honestly don't understand how Kendrick isn't quote on quote "Elite",What exactly is Elite??
Melvin Slaughter Being an elite lyricist requires being an absolute word smith. Like Kool G rap for example. Lupe proved he's elite with mural. Kendrick isn't on that level lyrically
Melvin Slaughter A lot of people are referring technical ability as the reason why Kendrick isn't a elite lyricist and I easily disagree. Jay Z never really known for technical ability. Not to say, he doesn't have it. He's more known for his double / triple entendres, wordplay, and a little storytelling. And I still put him as one of the greatest MCs.
Jirrell Johnson thank you for input
Has Lupe ever went head to head before? Like straight beef
TopDawgEnt970 TopDawgEnt970
No he hasn’t but neither has Kendrick
BlackGod King1995 it was a real question I wasn’t trying to throw shade
Kendrick Lamar vs. Lupe Fiasco vs. MF Doom vs. Nas vs. Black Thought vs. GZA vs. Rakim vs. Big Daddy Kane vs. Jay Electronica vs. J.Cole vs. Big K.R.I.T vs. Common vs. Andre 3000 vs. DJ Quik vs. Big Boi. Who wins?
The control verse...that whole song was trash to be honest. It only had shock value to easily impressed millennials. From that perspective I agree with Lupe. However, lesser artists have claimed to be the best (Drake, Wayne, Kanye) with very little blowback. I think Lupe took exception to it because he wasn't directly mentioned in it. But Kendrick was calling out folks in his own class so Lu shouldn't have been mentioned. This potential "beef" is weird, but it'd be a cool battle. Royce da 5' 9" will be watching closely I'm sure.
Punchlines lol dude that's one element nas isn't a punchline rapper.
Saying Kdot is not an Elite lyricist is foul! Which tells me people only listened to his mainstream records. Lupe does sound like a hater.
Lupe is the piccolo of rap. Everybody talk about how intelligent he is, and how skilled he is....but in the end, never do shit. Can’t blame the label, when everyone dropping mixtapes.
Kendrick vs Lupe would be the best battle since Jay -Z vs Nas. Lets do this
To be real I think the whole kung fu kenny persona was a slick shot to Lupe
J8sun That's a stretch right there.
J8sun lol
Huge stretch.
J8sun nah, K.Dot got that from Wu-tang. He said it himself.
Imma need Lupe to get that Iodine out of his diet...Not a good look homie...West West
These two need to drop this!!!
Lupe Fiasco wasn’t mentioned in the verse that’s why he is salty.
I was waiting for yall to say something about this lol
Punchlines are not always mandatory to get a point across....say real shit before you say a punchline. Punches are to wow the audience not to go over the audience head all the time. Punches don't have to be riddled in the music all the time, if so you're going to lose your audience if you ask me.
If Kendrick was from NYC, he wouldn't be so praised.
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Doesn’t lupe look melle Mel
Shut Up Lupe make a diss track lets get it
4:20 Prince the grown ass “Goats” be scared to battle each other.
Lupe is right Kendrick is not an elite lyricist just like Pac wasn't either but what he has to say is so much more vital. My nigga Kdot has done WAY more for the culture of hip hop than Lupe. I like Lupe but come on really? Lupe is a lyrical prodigy that is out here painting himself in a bad light straight tarnishing his own legacy. Lupe has never compromised his artistry even a little bit and that's a great thing. Sadly I feel its also been his down fall facts. He had his moment to make his print on the culture and its past. My dude is trying to shine light on his project here nothing more. I hope its a dope album and I look forward to hearing it. If this comes to a battle I hope my guy doesn't get his ass blackballed like Canibus acting too extra out here.
Punchlining is a must To be considered a top tier lyricist.
Lyricism will never be outdated, and punchlines are a primary feature of being a Rap/Hip Hop
lyricist.
Kendrick Lamar is a better overall artist and Lupe is a more technical.
Ayiti Cheri disagree. Lupe's overall artistry isnt reflected by his body of work. His label held em back. Lupe's talent is absurd. This is coming from a day 1 K.dot fan
Ayiti Cheri facts
Jared Budden Agreed.
I agree that Verse was overhyped it was just big cause he said names. A lot of MCs and fans have now came out and finally have said it was just the names that made that verse.
Kyky 101 that's not even one of kendricks best verses though. It is overhyped but who cares?. That verse is not what makes kendrick great. It was a big moment because there was no competitive nature in hiphop for a while and he still bodied jay elec ad big sean and made his point
Child rebel soldier tho? That was black hippy/hiiipower
So the mural with eye holes is watching the good kid lol. I'm still waiting to hear them both on a track.
Kendrick is the new 3 stacks....I guess Lupe feels the same way about 3k also....they are damn near the same person
4:04 I dnt think Pac ever said he was the best but he said he is the realist.
I love Lupe but he need to stop
Lupe is a just hater point blank period, I love Lupe but u can easily sense the jealously behind every Lupe remark about kendrick while kendrick has nothing said nothing
I do enjoy both artist music and they both have classic albums but I think when both of their careers are over Kendrick will have the greater impact in hip hop. Them going toe to toe would be fantastic for hip hop tho.
So I am guessing Lupe likes Jay-Z over Nas? Different strokes for different folks.
Also, great animated promotion for black spot. Imma need an anime soon lol
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Lupe Fiasco is the Undisputed King of the Double/Triple/Quadruple/Quintuple Entendre.
No mainstream mc can match him.
Oh shit!
Lupe is off about the Kendrick “control” verse being hyped for 1 reason alone. Kendrick isn’t responsible for what the world does with his music after he releases it. To charge Kendrick with claiming to be the best mixed with the hype his “control” verse received muddies the issue. The fans hyped the verse after Kendrick released it not before. That verse pretty much came out of no where. To add the part about the hype being weird not only speaks to Lupe’s over inflated sense of self importance but also his annoyance with it all highlights his jealousy. Kendrick should absolutely focus on his career and ignore Lupe. You can’t open the door for any rapper with an infatuation to bait you into satisfying they’re egos. “Oh I’m annoyed with you K.dot we should battle”! No nigga...go that way ➡️➡️➡️➡️!
@seven grow7
I know this comment is old but I understand where you are coming from.
To be honest a better battle would be between King Los and Lupe but a quick side bar i fks with the anime at the end. Is this something that you guys created?
Man Lupe is just bitter, Kendrick Lamar has been an Elite Lyricist....some of y'all need to go back and listen to Kendrick dude is nasty w it.. Kendrick can rap just as well so stop it....And I want this beef to happen btw lol