Blue Mage getting early / mid game White Wind makes Hume the best healer until you get your Doublecasting Summoner Vierra. Also, reversing MP has so many tactical applications. I love depleting enemy martials' MP and then switching their MP & HP for a KO to laugh at their three-digit HP figures. Then, recovering MP for your mages, then just healing them back up. A lot of Blue Magic doesn't depend on your stats too, so you can just ensure that Marche levels up as a Thief / Ninja, then just equip the Learning support ability when you expect to need it (it is easy to look up or reload when you know what a particular encounter will be). At least A-tier for me.
I think Night alone puts Blue Mage in S. I beat the whole game with that, since you can just disable all enemies on the map, and all you have to do it give your party sleep immunity.
I would say A just coz it's not as broken as Time Mage quicken or the summoner's ability to 1 shot their entire team. Quicken & Smile are the most broken moves in FFTA
Would love to see what some of your favorite class combos are. Mine for each race are: Hume- fighter/blue mage with double sword Bangaa- dragoon/gladiator Nu mou- sage/morpher Viera- red mage/summoner Moogle- mog knight/juggler
Morpher definitely takes some work to put into it but it is without question my favorite class. Especially once you can buy curealls. Tippy top of s tier for me. As long as you put in the work it can do pm anything.
thief at D? Even without S++ tier importance of thieving thief's speed trumps all! It's one of the best jobs to level up since speed carries over when changing jobs.
@@TitaniumLegman tbh with the amount of instant-death abilities in this game offensive stats aren't the worst thing to lose levels in if you're getting consistent 2 speed out of it. I do think the D rating's fair because you have to cheese Steal: Ability/Weapon to get the most out of the class throughout the game which I don't think is a fair representation of what it does in a normal/blind playthrough. If you got the Swordbreaker and Cinquindea by Roda Volcano I'd rate it in B.
A very solid tier list, and i do agree with the rankings. Feels a little bad that moogle options aren't the best over all but i still like my gunners and jugglers all the same
One addition for hunter: the Hunting ability allow you to farm JP very quickly and in turn enable you to spam Totema. Now that's broken and a half! At a glance I globally agree with your list but I would shift everything a tier down except for the Viera S ranks and the Sage. Imo they are far above the other S ranks, to the point that when I replay the game I often try to not field any of those just to raise slightly the challenge.
Some of my personal thoughts: -I've done a few solo runs of this game, and doing one of Animist greatly improved my opinion of it. Having access to a cheap, AoE Sleep ability is extremely powerful, especially since it's very easy to learn and lets you set up KO's for your other powerful units with skills like Beatdown. I'm surprised you didn't mention Frogsong which has a huge 4 panel range and a cheap MP cost. Frog is such a debilitating status that it's more or less a KO in its own right. Chocobo Rush is nice for picking off annoying enemies that like to run away and heal, since the range is huge and it has infinite height. Cuisine is expensive, but it's also full heal in a pinch. Is Animist extremely powerful? Not really, but these factors would put it at least somewhere in the B tier for me imo. Call is a great secondary command for any moogle class if you're not spamming Ultima. -Speaking of which, I would personally rate Mog Knight in A, or even S. The class itself is pretty terrible but the fact that you can turn a Gunner into an 8-9 panel nuking machine with Ultima Charge isn't to be underestimated. I suppose it's not fair to rank a class solely because its ability makes another class amazing, but even without a Gunner Ultima Charge is still a one hit delete button. On a similar note, I'd personally bump Hunters up to S because ranged Ultima is just so powerful. -I feel like Archers and their statuses are being underrated here. Blind is one of the most crippling status effects in this game, and bosses are actually vulnerable to it. A Blinded unit is borderline useless and it never wears off without being cured, so being able to pretty much incapacitate any enemy is worthy of both of them being in A or very high B tier for me personally. Arm Aim (and to a lesser extent Leg Aim) are also amazing statuses, and Take Aim can help pick off those very annoying, high evasive enemies like Thieves and Fairies. - I would personally rate Human Illusionists over Nu Mou for the simple fact that humans have access to Concentrate (same thing goes for Black Mage). Nu Mou can hit harder and have more MP, but from my experience Phantasm Techs have pretty horrible accuracy. Either way I would throw both of them in the D tier, or even E. Their spells are piss weak for their cost, their accuracy without Concentrate is terrible, and their speed growth is horrendous (the worst in the game iirc). This is a class that was definitely saved by FFTA2 (at least for the human version). -Warrior, Defender, Templar and Bishop all feel overrated on this list to me. I know you like Bangaa (I think they're fun to use myself) but a lot of Bangaa jobs suffer from being either very slow or having terrible range (sometimes both). Other units, both yours and the enemy's, will run laps around these 4 classes before they really get the chance to do much of anything. Out of these four classes the only abilites I'd ever use from them are Aura from Defender, Haste from Templar, and the Rend abilities from Warrior on bosses. Everything else feels rather lackluster. I'd bump them down a tier or two imo. -Lastly, while Morpher is hard to use, I'd bump it up to E tier alongside Beastmaster. Gadgeteer should be the only F tier job imo because its the only class that can be actively detrimental to your team. Anyway, these are just my opinions. I guess this long rambling post makes me the "person yelling in the comments" but I thought this was a great video! Love seeing more people talk about FFTA and FFT in general.
Noooo no no, having a series of well thought out points that promotes discussion is NOT the person yelling in the comments. I appreciate these comments! It's the people being like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY FAVORITE JOB IS IN C TIER? IN THIS NICHE USE CASE ITS TOTALLY BROKEN, EVEN THO NOBODY PLAYING NORMALLY WILL FIND OR NEED THAT USE FOR IT. YOURE A FRAUUUUUUUUD!" THEY are the people yelling in the comments haha.
@@TitaniumLegman Haha, good to know, I was worried my post would come across either as complaining or too much "umm actually ☝🤓" FFTA was my first FF and also my first SRPG, I love it and have played it to death so I love any opportunity to discuss and talk about it.
Bruh I compare all other tactics games to this one This was my first tactics game ever and I immediately fell in love with it Can’t believe people talk down on it
I can understand why someone who fell in love with FFT in their late teens or early 20s didnt like FFTA, made for babies, as a 30 year old person lol. I was the right age when the game came out and fucking LOVED the two FFTA games. I still play them sometimes
Yes. GBA FFT for babies. Very simple real life is better than fantasy life even if real life sucks plot. Nothing is political even though theres judges and a monarchy and stuff. The job system is made so 10 year olds can understand the gameplay and plot. I’m not saying it isnt good, I like FFTA and FFTA2 more than FFT. I’ve replayed them all several times.
@henry5274 monarchy always adding new laws to make life difficult and tossing people in jail for violations is political. Gameplay is simple enough to entertain kids while complicated enough to entertain adults. Graphics are a cartoon style which is an ageless tried and true art style. These choices fit with Nintendos philosophy of making games for everyone, not just kids
You forgot one detail about ranged classes like Sniper and Gunner. They can use melee moves with their enhanced range. It makes a Sniper/Assasin combo incredibly toxic.
I'm not sure if it's ever been documented/tested or just my imagination, but I remember getting an awful lot of critical hits when back-attacking as Thief (along Ninja and Assassin). I actually used Thief as Marche's main job on my third or fourth playthrough of FFTA1 way back in the day and he did shockingly good damage; way more than I was expecting.
My favorite Assassin build actually had no weapon. I opted for an additional accessory instead to push speed even higher. Easily the best job in the game, by a lot.
Thief is a better supporting class for unlocking classes early as you can get Steal Ability as soon as you basically start the game and then you combine it with an animist from Moogle to put enemies to sleep and then steal their abilities to unlock classes ASAP. You can get Marche to ninja at level 3 this way. I believe he starts out level 3 if memory serves correct. And ninja gives 2 speed per level which is more than any other class in human. Now, granted thieves only are available on Human and Moogle. But they have utility in early unlocks, so for me personally it raises their use to C even if it’s a very niche use for min maxing the main character. Not that it’s needed it’s just fun to know. If I threw out my own niche use I could see the argument for D.
Raise it only to C? Stealing is usefull ALL GAME, items stolen can be used by EVERYONE, and you don't even have to be in the thief class to steal just have it set as a secondary skill set. Thief is easily S+
I'm surprised to see so much appreciation for Bangaa. In my mind, accuracy had always been king in FFTA, and Moogles, Humes, and Viera all get the best accuracy boosting support ability, while Nu-mou at least got an accuracy boost from MP-turbo. Meanwhile, Bangaa don't get anything to fill that role. When are you even going to use the White Monk's exorcism attack when it's accuracy is so low? Have I been underestimating the noble Bangaa?
Bangaa honestly make some of the most versatile melee units and are really fun once built. Spears having a range of 2 and piercethrough is great in groups, dragoons can hit a great distance regardless of elevation with jump, and the dragoon/gladiators elemental skills guaruntee no enemy can absorb your damage. Also snagging aura for auto regen + auto lifr makes them essentially immortal. They had to have low accuracy to balance out all their other insane abilities.
I think thief is a bit underrated here. High speed, can dodge tank, nets you better equipment sooner, synergizes with the ninja's throw ability, and taking your opponent's equipment reduces their stats and can completely neuter certain encounters.
Great game! This and Fire Emblem for GBA were probably my first “JRPG” style tactics games, so many fond memories! I was also a young boy at the time so the more “kiddy” nature didn’t bother me at all and probably made it easier for me to connect with it at that age.
Oh gosh what a blast from the past video this is! I absolutely agree the story is a far cry from OG FFT but it's not horrible, it was charming enough. Being able to play a game with similar mechanics to FFT on the go though? That was PEAK gaming back in high school, even if I played it mainly on my Gameboy Player! I really liked the addition of being able to play different races. The way to learn skills is fine, even a welcome change since it was something different/akin to FFIX, though not my favorite. I always eyed playing the DS FFT, this video might push me to do that! FWIW I'm only about halfway through this vid but I really enjoy your longer-form content. Keep up the great work!
I’m currently replaying this game for the first time since I was a kid and I’m addicted to getting abilities now It’s so much better knowing what to do to get what you want When I was little I just winged it 😂😂😂
One of the good things about Archer is being able to use the other classes physical attacks at range. Like I remember using some of the fencer skill at the archers range, though not all of them work with it since they have specific attack ranges already
I haven't played FFTA since I was a kid, but seeing the classes that I used a lot in S tier is fun to see. I remember Fighter being great and made the MC that as soon as I could, and I also remember just how great a Gladiator was.
"can disable weapon arms" *immediate flashbacks to trying to break weapon arms in Armored Core (you can break one arm, but the second never breaks) Feel ya on the angry comments. Made a tier list like this some....5...years ago? Still get people pissed about loving poison archers to this day. What can I say? Poison doesn't expire. Ain't my fault this game assumed no one would have the attention span to check 😂
I actually loved Morpher- it could actually hit REALLY hard if you put *some* effort into it. It's the kind of job that stands out once you've sunk a ton of time into the game, because it can do a lot more than you'd expect. Beastmaster, Morpher, and Blue Mage are all sharp classes that stand out when you've done certain things or are fighting certain things, but I think morpher with its souls actually stands out the most to me.
@gamingwhilebroken2355 it is, but I can't in good conscience let it slip by when it's put in F tier with gadgeteer, lol. Gadgeteer *sucks* and Morpher is actually good if you put even a bit of the (admittedly too much) required effort into it. Just dumping it in F paints the wrong picture, is all.
Fighter with paladin secondary double sword. Big damage to anything. If paladin with fighter secondary, ability to use the highly damaging knightswords at one movement cost but sprint shoes or ninja tabi makes it up. Templar with dragoon secondary. Use of spears to avoid physical counter attacks with the versatility of dragoon breath skills and jump. Alchemist with sage secondary. All the most damaging and unique magical abilities of sages plus an extra slot for items. Assassin and sniper secondary. That should be sufficient enough explanation Summoner/ white mage secondary. Ability to double cast summons or big heals or heal/support combos is fantastic Moogle black mage with time mage secondary. Deal big elemental aoe damage while messing with turn orders. Juggler/ thief, cause chaos while obtaining some of the best gear Just a few of my favorite combos
Great list, enjoy all of these. I've only played FFTA once and I remember liking the game but being disappointed that the random battles were too easy later on as the enemies just kept basic equipment and abilities vs FFT where they could be some of the toughest battles if you went in unprepared
When I first played I didn't know you could swap classes (my R button didn't work). My games were very challenging, and recruiting was very important! Fencer and W/B Mages carried me.
i know you havent played this game in a long time but something to consider about the thief class is how how essential their steal skills are. You can steal some of the best gear or get really good gear early game which makes their utility S+ tier but i agree outside of that they arent that useful in combat. It was so broken that they essentially nerfed it in A2, where you cant steal weapons anymore
Speed is king, almost nothing else matters. Nothing matters if you get 2 turns before the enemy because your units are so fast. Assassin is basically the god in this game, ninja being up there too for raw dps and speed. But 3-4 viera assasins can clear the entire field before things move with the speed plus the 1 hit abilities.
Jesus crist i used to play this game so freaking much, i finished this game on my GBA at least 50 times no bs, my GBA died from me playing exclusively FFT Advanced non stop like crazy and i was not a kid when it came out, i was 19yo already, this "made for kids" is just bs, the game is extremely charming and that was what got me into playing so much. I got the cartridge right when the US version came out and i still have it.
I want to give my honest opinion, this list is very good, actually I enjoyed it, however I do disagree on many things, first, Alchemist while they're pretty amazing with their tools, their HP and Speed makes them easy targets to kill by either Hunters, Gunners, Snipers and Assasins with greatbows, they're so fragile that with good equipment can die with three, maximum two hits, reason why I do consider the Sage the best class of the Nu Moes, pretty strong, they're resilient and with Reflex makes them impossible to kill with only physical attacks. Blue Mages are brutal if they have all their skills, which requires time and patience but it's worth it since Monsters have broken abilities, specially Fairies, Undead and Dragons, Got all skills back then and man they're good and with the strongest sabers they're quite formidable. Dragoons are far more dangerous than Gladiators, specially with Elem. Breaths and Bangaa Cry since they're cone attacks, Jump is a scary Ability and is available early in the game, also spears makes them good to bypass counters (not countin spears) and just havin' Dragonheart makes them almost unbeatable, they're durable as hell and havin' gladiator skills compounds their already aggressiveness as an offensive unit, all these things makes them arguably the best offensive oriented job since they do not require MP to use it's abilities. Red Mages are so good but the problem is that Madu (the weapon that allows them to use doublecast) is found later in the game and also requires 999 AP to fully master it, so patience is they key on this class. Summoners are by far the most dangerous magic oriented class, compound them with Doublecast and you can easily break the game, and because doublecast bypasses the lawcards since it's not considered as magic, but a support skills, this make them an unstoppable force, and with the proper buffs they can decimate everyone on site specially classes with Low Magic Resistance, Assassins are the most busted class in the game and this happens if they have the concentrate ability,, Concentrate is even more busted than doublecast because the accuracy increases their precision by 50, and accuracy like you said it's everythin' in this game, 50 damnit, Assassins can kill everyone with last breath and normal attacks and allowin' them to use greatbows is nasty, Powerin' them up with the best greatbow with sniper abilities, you're just death there's nothin' you can do, really. I Hack in an emulator to see the real power of the Morpher and...Yeah they can become the best class by miles ahead of everyone, but I leave that explanation for another occasion if you're curious. I really want to see to re-release this game alongside with FFTA2 and to develop a third one with master classes or somehin' more original and romance options, they deserve a chance.
This was my first tactical game I ever played. I remember playing it around christmas, and the intro totally helps with it. I can totally understand the hate the game got from former FFT fans. But it's that generational thing with Nintendo that games don't grow up with the audience, so coming to this from the earlier FFT game might feel really shallow. However considering though that the main audience of the GBA was 8-12 years old and most likely didn't play fft, I think it was the right choice for the game. Knight of Lodis holds up for the bit older audience. Anyways a very nice callback to pre-christmas time for me. The funniest thing about the game is all the ways you can exploit the ai, for example they will never heal poison ;D Lotsa jank to play around with.
Ffta is much better than fft. No bs charge system, support magic doesn't have a chance to miss, it's MUCH easier to unlock different jobs... it's an overall a much more fun game. The story is a bit more shallow, less interesting, and less complex, but who cares? I am not reading a book.
The plot of FFT. Makes every other FFT game less than. And the characters including Cloud and Thundergod Cidolfus Orlandeau are some of the best characters across FF titles. And the Zodiac sub system 🤌🏾. But. To each their own.
Gunner makes all other moogle jobs (barring Time Mage and Juggler) irrelevant. Stopshot and Accuracy+ is already cracked as hell, *and* they can use Mog Knight's melee attacks at range. 9-range Ultima Charge is nothing to sneeze at. Or you can pair it with Time Mage or Animist abilities for a more support-oriented Gunner. Juggler/Animist with Thief speed and Accuracy+ is funny too.
Its beena long time since i have played this game but i remember by endgame my entire team was just various bunny mages spamming summons and other spells lol.
Ninja Veil techniques with Turbo MP be like, 80% chance to additionally inflict the status effects Like wutttt Yeah, those ninjutsu are like very basic supporting Magicka, but since it initially costs 4 MP, Turbo MPing it basically makes it a medium level magick with instant ailments
I think Fighter & Paladin should swap. Fighter weapons & skills fall behind by end-game, while Paladins get OP Knightswords & Holy Blade. My Paladin-Blue Mage could solo battles and was virtually immortal Morpher is so broken, I don’t use it. Just raise 3 Flans and a Malboro and you can basically cook every map in the game
Theres not enough content on tactics advanced 1 and 2 tactics original gets all the attention. I love this game and the DS sequel huge amount of hours spent on them really intricate gear and job systems the splash art and the sprites are so good I love the Dragoon purple helmet and the juggler sprite you get a like sub and comment from me my friend.
animist devils advocate here, I know the that the class is not perfect but sheep count is a super early AoE CC, can insta-win alot of encounter before start just by moogle spd stat, cousine is a full heal and the sinergy with juggler is realy strong, I know is not fair to put alot of a class merit in a single skill more if is a skill with alot of chesse factor but is not really close of a D tier even not carring about how early you can do stuff bcs theres is alot of good skill that are lock by time and/or farm.
Kinda disagree about Mog Knights, they have a really good technique list and access to some of the best equipment in the game, with really solid stats. More of a B tier or A tier class imo, I’ve never regretted training and fielding a Mog Knight. They are like a tankier fighter with more utility
I was always pissed they removed Dark Knight and Samurai in FFTA. Also while thief was kinda weak class, as a utility it was good. In the second playthrough, I used thief and archer to steal a ton of equipment so I maybe biased but I believe it should atleast be in C and including the knowledge of first playthrough and wiki atleast B
5:10 Early in the vid but i really gotta disagree with that. It requires set up and knowledge about the game, but thief is the main enabler for a lot of the game breaking early game stuff. Steal skill, and other steals can be used to craft insanely strong chars with little grinding very early on
Hey man, I won't dispute most of your tier because it is subjective, BUT the thief is overpowered with stealing. This makes thief easily S+. Steal Ability, Weapon, Armor, Accessory. You can pimp out your crew so early on. Every play through I make my moogles and humes all go thief early on. Yeah they aren't combat masters or a end game class but they break the game. 300 AP to learn to an ability or just steal it for free and not just one. You can clean out the NPC of all its abilities and items before you kill them. All you need is sleep to set up 100% sucess rate. Thief in D tier is cringe.
Would be a cool Challenge to Play a randomizer Challenge for ff tactics advance or you can only have one class for each Race. Like only one human solider, or only one Paladin Something Like that
Thief should be S tier as you can life hack yourself a ton of exp by having 1 high level thief, and other low level units bonking that thief. Then have the thief steal their exp to gain higher level. Repeat this about 50 -100 times , you will get max level 50 thief. Then you can have other low level units farming exp by bonking and healing the thief.
Hard hard hard disagree on Morpher. While Curealls are indeed a pain to get before lategame, Morpher doesn't require nearly as much effort as you'd think, because you don't actually need to make use of every monster. You can pretty much just use Lamia Morph and possibly Flan Morph and call it there. Lamia Morph gives you access to Night, Hand Slap, Twister, Poison Frog and Kiss. Illusionist But Sleep is really REALLY effective at the start of combat, Hand Slap is utterly crippling given to my knowledge no enemy really resists it and delaying turns is extremely powerful in any situation where you have equal or better action economy. Kiss and Poison Frog are instant win effects if the enemy doesn't resist that specific status combo, and Toad resist is really rare outside of enemies who resist everything. And they're free. Flan just gives you all the black mage elemental spells. Far more of a grind to max 3 flans than 2 lamiae but if you just want direct damage on Morpher, this is where you get it. Additionally, Morpher requires extremely little commitment to be good. Since you can generally get away with only mastering 1-2 skills on Morpher, you can optimize around another class and leave Morpher as your secondary skillset. Time Mage/Morpher is a brutal duo as you start combat out with the usual Time Mage buffs, switch into your morph of choice (probably Lamia or Flan if Lamia isn't an option for that fight), and do your thing now that Time Mage's buffing isn't needed.
@@caosisaac Aye. Dragon Morph is good too, but I generally consider it less important than Lamia or Flan, because those two generally cover everything you want a Nu Mou to do. Lamia has all the best status tools, and Flan is Black Mage. Dragon morph is amazing, but a bit less universally applicable to every team under the sun. I suppose the same can be said about Night abuse though.
Morph is arguably the best job to min max on Nu Mou to fwiw since it had the highest speed growth of all Nu Mous Yeah i think outside them needing 1 turn of set up Morphers kinda cracked.
I think I played the game wrong as a kid. I only used the starting characters I got (plus one or two to send on errand quests that had rewards I wanted) and mastered all the classes with them. Except gadgeteer, beast master, and blue mage anyway.
Seriously. It doesnt have the political intrigue of the first game; but you are playing a game where you have to deny your friends greatest wishes and destroy this world that both you and they all love; not to mention the lives of all your guild mates that may or may not exist in the real world. Underneath the 'kiddie' aesthetic its honestly one of the darkest ff games in the franchise. To literally everyone else in the world you are the villain.
I shall be the one person! I've never played this game but gosh darn it are you insane if you think ninja is anything but S tier! 😂 Merry Holiday and whatnot
Whoa. Didn’t expect an FFTA tier list in the year of our lord 2024
I work in mysterious ways
Additional note on Alchemist: It's great as a final class due to getting the Item command no matter what your secondary is.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that!
Blue Mage getting early / mid game White Wind makes Hume the best healer until you get your Doublecasting Summoner Vierra.
Also, reversing MP has so many tactical applications. I love depleting enemy martials' MP and then switching their MP & HP for a KO to laugh at their three-digit HP figures. Then, recovering MP for your mages, then just healing them back up.
A lot of Blue Magic doesn't depend on your stats too, so you can just ensure that Marche levels up as a Thief / Ninja, then just equip the Learning support ability when you expect to need it (it is easy to look up or reload when you know what a particular encounter will be).
At least A-tier for me.
I think Night alone puts Blue Mage in S. I beat the whole game with that, since you can just disable all enemies on the map, and all you have to do it give your party sleep immunity.
I would say A just coz it's not as broken as Time Mage quicken or the summoner's ability to 1 shot their entire team. Quicken & Smile are the most broken moves in FFTA
I watched this whole thing like a podcast while doing work and I absolutely LOVE your analysis. So detailed. Very entertaining
I'm going to yell at you
"YOU ARE AMAZING, KEEP THE GOOD WORK"
Would love to see what some of your favorite class combos are. Mine for each race are:
Hume- fighter/blue mage with double sword
Bangaa- dragoon/gladiator
Nu mou- sage/morpher
Viera- red mage/summoner
Moogle- mog knight/juggler
A video somehow laser-focused on my interests. What a great channel lol
Morpher definitely takes some work to put into it but it is without question my favorite class. Especially once you can buy curealls. Tippy top of s tier for me. As long as you put in the work it can do pm anything.
thief at D? Even without S++ tier importance of thieving thief's speed trumps all! It's one of the best jobs to level up since speed carries over when changing jobs.
Also steal ability, weapon, and accessory gives so much utility. Can definitely break the game early with this class
Agreed, thief should be at least a tier. All the shenanigans you can do with thief
Stat optimizing is a soulless way to play.
It'll tank your offensive stats tho
@@TitaniumLegman tbh with the amount of instant-death abilities in this game offensive stats aren't the worst thing to lose levels in if you're getting consistent 2 speed out of it. I do think the D rating's fair because you have to cheese Steal: Ability/Weapon to get the most out of the class throughout the game which I don't think is a fair representation of what it does in a normal/blind playthrough. If you got the Swordbreaker and Cinquindea by Roda Volcano I'd rate it in B.
I doubt I will ever get tired of tactics tier lists. thanks!
Gadgeteer is Tier SS for Save State - the only time when they are useful.
A very solid tier list, and i do agree with the rankings. Feels a little bad that moogle options aren't the best over all but i still like my gunners and jugglers all the same
One addition for hunter: the Hunting ability allow you to farm JP very quickly and in turn enable you to spam Totema. Now that's broken and a half!
At a glance I globally agree with your list but I would shift everything a tier down except for the Viera S ranks and the Sage. Imo they are far above the other S ranks, to the point that when I replay the game I often try to not field any of those just to raise slightly the challenge.
Some of my personal thoughts:
-I've done a few solo runs of this game, and doing one of Animist greatly improved my opinion of it. Having access to a cheap, AoE Sleep ability is extremely powerful, especially since it's very easy to learn and lets you set up KO's for your other powerful units with skills like Beatdown. I'm surprised you didn't mention Frogsong which has a huge 4 panel range and a cheap MP cost. Frog is such a debilitating status that it's more or less a KO in its own right. Chocobo Rush is nice for picking off annoying enemies that like to run away and heal, since the range is huge and it has infinite height. Cuisine is expensive, but it's also full heal in a pinch. Is Animist extremely powerful? Not really, but these factors would put it at least somewhere in the B tier for me imo. Call is a great secondary command for any moogle class if you're not spamming Ultima.
-Speaking of which, I would personally rate Mog Knight in A, or even S. The class itself is pretty terrible but the fact that you can turn a Gunner into an 8-9 panel nuking machine with Ultima Charge isn't to be underestimated. I suppose it's not fair to rank a class solely because its ability makes another class amazing, but even without a Gunner Ultima Charge is still a one hit delete button. On a similar note, I'd personally bump Hunters up to S because ranged Ultima is just so powerful.
-I feel like Archers and their statuses are being underrated here. Blind is one of the most crippling status effects in this game, and bosses are actually vulnerable to it. A Blinded unit is borderline useless and it never wears off without being cured, so being able to pretty much incapacitate any enemy is worthy of both of them being in A or very high B tier for me personally. Arm Aim (and to a lesser extent Leg Aim) are also amazing statuses, and Take Aim can help pick off those very annoying, high evasive enemies like Thieves and Fairies.
- I would personally rate Human Illusionists over Nu Mou for the simple fact that humans have access to Concentrate (same thing goes for Black Mage). Nu Mou can hit harder and have more MP, but from my experience Phantasm Techs have pretty horrible accuracy. Either way I would throw both of them in the D tier, or even E. Their spells are piss weak for their cost, their accuracy without Concentrate is terrible, and their speed growth is horrendous (the worst in the game iirc). This is a class that was definitely saved by FFTA2 (at least for the human version).
-Warrior, Defender, Templar and Bishop all feel overrated on this list to me. I know you like Bangaa (I think they're fun to use myself) but a lot of Bangaa jobs suffer from being either very slow or having terrible range (sometimes both). Other units, both yours and the enemy's, will run laps around these 4 classes before they really get the chance to do much of anything. Out of these four classes the only abilites I'd ever use from them are Aura from Defender, Haste from Templar, and the Rend abilities from Warrior on bosses. Everything else feels rather lackluster. I'd bump them down a tier or two imo.
-Lastly, while Morpher is hard to use, I'd bump it up to E tier alongside Beastmaster. Gadgeteer should be the only F tier job imo because its the only class that can be actively detrimental to your team.
Anyway, these are just my opinions. I guess this long rambling post makes me the "person yelling in the comments" but I thought this was a great video! Love seeing more people talk about FFTA and FFT in general.
Noooo no no, having a series of well thought out points that promotes discussion is NOT the person yelling in the comments. I appreciate these comments! It's the people being like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY FAVORITE JOB IS IN C TIER? IN THIS NICHE USE CASE ITS TOTALLY BROKEN, EVEN THO NOBODY PLAYING NORMALLY WILL FIND OR NEED THAT USE FOR IT. YOURE A FRAUUUUUUUUD!" THEY are the people yelling in the comments haha.
@@TitaniumLegman Haha, good to know, I was worried my post would come across either as complaining or too much "umm actually ☝🤓"
FFTA was my first FF and also my first SRPG, I love it and have played it to death so I love any opportunity to discuss and talk about it.
Bruh I compare all other tactics games to this one
This was my first tactics game ever and I immediately fell in love with it
Can’t believe people talk down on it
I can understand why someone who fell in love with FFT in their late teens or early 20s didnt like FFTA, made for babies, as a 30 year old person lol. I was the right age when the game came out and fucking LOVED the two FFTA games. I still play them sometimes
Those ppl suck
@@henry5274made for babies? With that job class system, and that battle system and that skill learning system? And that political messaging? Nope
Yes. GBA FFT for babies. Very simple real life is better than fantasy life even if real life sucks plot. Nothing is political even though theres judges and a monarchy and stuff. The job system is made so 10 year olds can understand the gameplay and plot. I’m not saying it isnt good, I like FFTA and FFTA2 more than FFT. I’ve replayed them all several times.
@henry5274 monarchy always adding new laws to make life difficult and tossing people in jail for violations is political.
Gameplay is simple enough to entertain kids while complicated enough to entertain adults.
Graphics are a cartoon style which is an ageless tried and true art style.
These choices fit with Nintendos philosophy of making games for everyone, not just kids
You forgot one detail about ranged classes like Sniper and Gunner. They can use melee moves with their enhanced range. It makes a Sniper/Assasin combo incredibly toxic.
@@aureliodeprimus8018 oh yes, true
@@TitaniumLegman Also, admit it, you just arranged your tier list i na way that every unit directly looks at you.^^
Invisible Assassins are pretty funny also ; it negates their only real weakness. Can't take a hit ? just don't.
I'm not sure if it's ever been documented/tested or just my imagination, but I remember getting an awful lot of critical hits when back-attacking as Thief (along Ninja and Assassin). I actually used Thief as Marche's main job on my third or fourth playthrough of FFTA1 way back in the day and he did shockingly good damage; way more than I was expecting.
My favorite Assassin build actually had no weapon. I opted for an additional accessory instead to push speed even higher. Easily the best job in the game, by a lot.
Knowing that Fighter is absolutely S-Tier is worth a like and sub, love to support to someone who sees the vision XD
Thief is a better supporting class for unlocking classes early as you can get Steal Ability as soon as you basically start the game and then you combine it with an animist from Moogle to put enemies to sleep and then steal their abilities to unlock classes ASAP. You can get Marche to ninja at level 3 this way. I believe he starts out level 3 if memory serves correct. And ninja gives 2 speed per level which is more than any other class in human. Now, granted thieves only are available on Human and Moogle. But they have utility in early unlocks, so for me personally it raises their use to C even if it’s a very niche use for min maxing the main character. Not that it’s needed it’s just fun to know. If I threw out my own niche use I could see the argument for D.
Raise it only to C? Stealing is usefull ALL GAME, items stolen can be used by EVERYONE, and you don't even have to be in the thief class to steal just have it set as a secondary skill set. Thief is easily S+
I'm surprised to see so much appreciation for Bangaa. In my mind, accuracy had always been king in FFTA, and Moogles, Humes, and Viera all get the best accuracy boosting support ability, while Nu-mou at least got an accuracy boost from MP-turbo. Meanwhile, Bangaa don't get anything to fill that role. When are you even going to use the White Monk's exorcism attack when it's accuracy is so low?
Have I been underestimating the noble Bangaa?
Bangaa honestly make some of the most versatile melee units and are really fun once built. Spears having a range of 2 and piercethrough is great in groups, dragoons can hit a great distance regardless of elevation with jump, and the dragoon/gladiators elemental skills guaruntee no enemy can absorb your damage. Also snagging aura for auto regen + auto lifr makes them essentially immortal. They had to have low accuracy to balance out all their other insane abilities.
There are plenty of ways to ensure 100% accuracy with status effects.
I think thief is a bit underrated here. High speed, can dodge tank, nets you better equipment sooner, synergizes with the ninja's throw ability, and taking your opponent's equipment reduces their stats and can completely neuter certain encounters.
Great game! This and Fire Emblem for GBA were probably my first “JRPG” style tactics games, so many fond memories! I was also a young boy at the time so the more “kiddy” nature didn’t bother me at all and probably made it easier for me to connect with it at that age.
Oh gosh what a blast from the past video this is! I absolutely agree the story is a far cry from OG FFT but it's not horrible, it was charming enough. Being able to play a game with similar mechanics to FFT on the go though? That was PEAK gaming back in high school, even if I played it mainly on my Gameboy Player! I really liked the addition of being able to play different races. The way to learn skills is fine, even a welcome change since it was something different/akin to FFIX, though not my favorite. I always eyed playing the DS FFT, this video might push me to do that! FWIW I'm only about halfway through this vid but I really enjoy your longer-form content. Keep up the great work!
Yeaahhh Morpher
I still can't believe it wasn't in A2
I’m currently replaying this game for the first time since I was a kid and I’m addicted to getting abilities now
It’s so much better knowing what to do to get what you want
When I was little I just winged it 😂😂😂
One of the good things about Archer is being able to use the other classes physical attacks at range. Like I remember using some of the fencer skill at the archers range, though not all of them work with it since they have specific attack ranges already
I just reacquired this game having not played it in 20 years. Crazy that this showed up in my feed right now.
I haven't played FFTA since I was a kid, but seeing the classes that I used a lot in S tier is fun to see. I remember Fighter being great and made the MC that as soon as I could, and I also remember just how great a Gladiator was.
"can disable weapon arms" *immediate flashbacks to trying to break weapon arms in Armored Core (you can break one arm, but the second never breaks)
Feel ya on the angry comments. Made a tier list like this some....5...years ago? Still get people pissed about loving poison archers to this day.
What can I say? Poison doesn't expire. Ain't my fault this game assumed no one would have the attention span to check 😂
Amazing tierlist, keep that great work :)
Morpher sounds like 'more effort for less results';
I actually loved Morpher- it could actually hit REALLY hard if you put *some* effort into it. It's the kind of job that stands out once you've sunk a ton of time into the game, because it can do a lot more than you'd expect. Beastmaster, Morpher, and Blue Mage are all sharp classes that stand out when you've done certain things or are fighting certain things, but I think morpher with its souls actually stands out the most to me.
@@SylemGistoe
Morpher is the best class if you full grind it out, but that’s a lot of work
@gamingwhilebroken2355 it is, but I can't in good conscience let it slip by when it's put in F tier with gadgeteer, lol. Gadgeteer *sucks* and Morpher is actually good if you put even a bit of the (admittedly too much) required effort into it. Just dumping it in F paints the wrong picture, is all.
I was hoping it was advance a2
I remember reading the FFTA guidebook ALWAYS like insisting us to cast Sheep Count on major battles like wut. Bias much
Getting Double Sword on your fighter for maximum damage stupidity was my go-to.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....this is a good list
0:00 - 17:18 - All Hume Jobs
Fighter with paladin secondary double sword. Big damage to anything. If paladin with fighter secondary, ability to use the highly damaging knightswords at one movement cost but sprint shoes or ninja tabi makes it up.
Templar with dragoon secondary. Use of spears to avoid physical counter attacks with the versatility of dragoon breath skills and jump.
Alchemist with sage secondary. All the most damaging and unique magical abilities of sages plus an extra slot for items.
Assassin and sniper secondary. That should be sufficient enough explanation
Summoner/ white mage secondary. Ability to double cast summons or big heals or heal/support combos is fantastic
Moogle black mage with time mage secondary. Deal big elemental aoe damage while messing with turn orders.
Juggler/ thief, cause chaos while obtaining some of the best gear
Just a few of my favorite combos
I hope you will also make tier list for fft a2 gotr 😊
Great list, enjoy all of these. I've only played FFTA once and I remember liking the game but being disappointed that the random battles were too easy later on as the enemies just kept basic equipment and abilities vs FFT where they could be some of the toughest battles if you went in unprepared
When I first played I didn't know you could swap classes (my R button didn't work). My games were very challenging, and recruiting was very important! Fencer and W/B Mages carried me.
i know you havent played this game in a long time but something to consider about the thief class is how how essential their steal skills are. You can steal some of the best gear or get really good gear early game which makes their utility S+ tier but i agree outside of that they arent that useful in combat. It was so broken that they essentially nerfed it in A2, where you cant steal weapons anymore
Speed is king, almost nothing else matters. Nothing matters if you get 2 turns before the enemy because your units are so fast. Assassin is basically the god in this game, ninja being up there too for raw dps and speed. But 3-4 viera assasins can clear the entire field before things move with the speed plus the 1 hit abilities.
I never played the orginal this way my first foray and i fell in love with this game. I still play it to this day min maxing during playthroughs
Jesus crist i used to play this game so freaking much, i finished this game on my GBA at least 50 times no bs, my GBA died from me playing exclusively FFT Advanced non stop like crazy and i was not a kid when it came out, i was 19yo already, this "made for kids" is just bs, the game is extremely charming and that was what got me into playing so much.
I got the cartridge right when the US version came out and i still have it.
I want to give my honest opinion, this list is very good, actually I enjoyed it, however I do disagree on many things, first, Alchemist while they're pretty amazing with their tools, their HP and Speed makes them easy targets to kill by either Hunters, Gunners, Snipers and Assasins with greatbows, they're so fragile that with good equipment can die with three, maximum two hits, reason why I do consider the Sage the best class of the Nu Moes, pretty strong, they're resilient and with Reflex makes them impossible to kill with only physical attacks. Blue Mages are brutal if they have all their skills, which requires time and patience but it's worth it since Monsters have broken abilities, specially Fairies, Undead and Dragons, Got all skills back then and man they're good and with the strongest sabers they're quite formidable. Dragoons are far more dangerous than Gladiators, specially with Elem. Breaths and Bangaa Cry since they're cone attacks, Jump is a scary Ability and is available early in the game, also spears makes them good to bypass counters (not countin spears) and just havin' Dragonheart makes them almost unbeatable, they're durable as hell and havin' gladiator skills compounds their already aggressiveness as an offensive unit, all these things makes them arguably the best offensive oriented job since they do not require MP to use it's abilities. Red Mages are so good but the problem is that Madu (the weapon that allows them to use doublecast) is found later in the game and also requires 999 AP to fully master it, so patience is they key on this class. Summoners are by far the most dangerous magic oriented class, compound them with Doublecast and you can easily break the game, and because doublecast bypasses the lawcards since it's not considered as magic, but a support skills, this make them an unstoppable force, and with the proper buffs they can decimate everyone on site specially classes with Low Magic Resistance, Assassins are the most busted class in the game and this happens if they have the concentrate ability,, Concentrate is even more busted than doublecast because the accuracy increases their precision by 50, and accuracy like you said it's everythin' in this game, 50 damnit, Assassins can kill everyone with last breath and normal attacks and allowin' them to use greatbows is nasty, Powerin' them up with the best greatbow with sniper abilities, you're just death there's nothin' you can do, really. I Hack in an emulator to see the real power of the Morpher and...Yeah they can become the best class by miles ahead of everyone, but I leave that explanation for another occasion if you're curious. I really want to see to re-release this game alongside with FFTA2 and to develop a third one with master classes or somehin' more original and romance options, they deserve a chance.
I remember in A2 you can have a Assassin / Greenmage and use Tranq to use a 100% hit Last breath. Good old times
@@MeruvisKitsune oh yeah man, A2 had some absolutely NUTTY stuff going on, wild game.
Are you planning on doing one for ffta2?
This was my first tactical game I ever played. I remember playing it around christmas, and the intro totally helps with it.
I can totally understand the hate the game got from former FFT fans. But it's that generational thing with Nintendo that games don't grow up with the audience, so coming to this from the earlier FFT game might feel really shallow.
However considering though that the main audience of the GBA was 8-12 years old and most likely didn't play fft, I think it was the right choice for the game. Knight of Lodis holds up for the bit older audience.
Anyways a very nice callback to pre-christmas time for me.
The funniest thing about the game is all the ways you can exploit the ai, for example they will never heal poison ;D Lotsa jank to play around with.
Ffta is much better than fft. No bs charge system, support magic doesn't have a chance to miss, it's MUCH easier to unlock different jobs... it's an overall a much more fun game. The story is a bit more shallow, less interesting, and less complex, but who cares? I am not reading a book.
The plot of FFT. Makes every other FFT game less than. And the characters including Cloud and Thundergod Cidolfus Orlandeau are some of the best characters across FF titles. And the Zodiac sub system 🤌🏾. But. To each their own.
Man so nostalgic. FFTA was the first strategy game i ever played!
I really love the two FFTA games. I’m playing FFTA2 in Japanese right now while I work on learning.
This is the game that got me into tactics games, sucked to hear it being downplayed for years, fun to see you digging into it now though!
Same, this game made me bond to my gameboy SP
Gunner makes all other moogle jobs (barring Time Mage and Juggler) irrelevant. Stopshot and Accuracy+ is already cracked as hell, *and* they can use Mog Knight's melee attacks at range. 9-range Ultima Charge is nothing to sneeze at. Or you can pair it with Time Mage or Animist abilities for a more support-oriented Gunner.
Juggler/Animist with Thief speed and Accuracy+ is funny too.
Its beena long time since i have played this game but i remember by endgame my entire team was just various bunny mages spamming summons and other spells lol.
Fond memories of using assassins with blood magic? which meant turn 1 I could blitz halfway across the map and use Last Breath immediately. Good times
You're thinking of A2, but yes
@TitaniumLegman I was just double checking my memories and you're absolutely right lol Assassin is still great in FFTA though, a well deserved S rank
I had a full team of bunnygirls with all the S-tier options, it was just silly. Bunnygirl ganksquad ftw.
I would put hume theif at C tier but I agree with everything else
Ninja Veil techniques with Turbo MP be like, 80% chance to additionally inflict the status effects
Like wutttt
Yeah, those ninjutsu are like very basic supporting Magicka, but since it initially costs 4 MP, Turbo MPing it basically makes it a medium level magick with instant ailments
For real! I have to try that on my next playthrough!
I think Fighter & Paladin should swap. Fighter weapons & skills fall behind by end-game, while Paladins get OP Knightswords & Holy Blade. My Paladin-Blue Mage could solo battles and was virtually immortal
Morpher is so broken, I don’t use it. Just raise 3 Flans and a Malboro and you can basically cook every map in the game
amazing tierlist
Theres not enough content on tactics advanced 1 and 2 tactics original gets all the attention. I love this game and the DS sequel huge amount of hours spent on them really intricate gear and job systems the splash art and the sprites are so good I love the Dragoon purple helmet and the juggler sprite you get a like sub and comment from me my friend.
animist devils advocate here, I know the that the class is not perfect but sheep count is a super early AoE CC, can insta-win alot of encounter before start just by moogle spd stat, cousine is a full heal and the sinergy with juggler is realy strong, I know is not fair to put alot of a class merit in a single skill more if is a skill with alot of chesse factor but is not really close of a D tier even not carring about how early you can do stuff bcs theres is alot of good skill that are lock by time and/or farm.
Kinda disagree about Mog Knights, they have a really good technique list and access to some of the best equipment in the game, with really solid stats. More of a B tier or A tier class imo, I’ve never regretted training and fielding a Mog Knight. They are like a tankier fighter with more utility
Finally, a video about a good game.
As opposed to...?
I was always pissed they removed Dark Knight and Samurai in FFTA. Also while thief was kinda weak class, as a utility it was good. In the second playthrough, I used thief and archer to steal a ton of equipment so I maybe biased but I believe it should atleast be in C and including the knowledge of first playthrough and wiki atleast B
Welp, time to fire up another playthrough. I do at least one a year at this point. Gonna try a mages only run. Thanks for the inspiration.
5:10 Early in the vid but i really gotta disagree with that. It requires set up and knowledge about the game, but thief is the main enabler for a lot of the game breaking early game stuff. Steal skill, and other steals can be used to craft insanely strong chars with little grinding very early on
I always called them New Mou(se) like the word "now" but FFXIV says it a lot as New Moe
Hey man, I won't dispute most of your tier because it is subjective, BUT the thief is overpowered with stealing. This makes thief easily S+. Steal Ability, Weapon, Armor, Accessory. You can pimp out your crew so early on. Every play through I make my moogles and humes all go thief early on. Yeah they aren't combat masters or a end game class but they break the game. 300 AP to learn to an ability or just steal it for free and not just one. You can clean out the NPC of all its abilities and items before you kill them. All you need is sleep to set up 100% sucess rate. Thief in D tier is cringe.
For me one of the best tactical rpg's ever!!!!!
Would be a cool Challenge to Play a randomizer Challenge for ff tactics advance or you can only have one class for each Race. Like only one human solider, or only one Paladin Something Like that
Or single Race Challenge
Or an only moogle Challenge etc.
Judgemaster? Babus and EzEL?
The title says "every GENERIC job"
Thief should be S tier as you can life hack yourself a ton of exp by having 1 high level thief, and other low level units bonking that thief. Then have the thief steal their exp to gain higher level. Repeat this about 50 -100 times , you will get max level 50 thief. Then you can have other low level units farming exp by bonking and healing the thief.
Hard hard hard disagree on Morpher.
While Curealls are indeed a pain to get before lategame, Morpher doesn't require nearly as much effort as you'd think, because you don't actually need to make use of every monster. You can pretty much just use Lamia Morph and possibly Flan Morph and call it there. Lamia Morph gives you access to Night, Hand Slap, Twister, Poison Frog and Kiss. Illusionist But Sleep is really REALLY effective at the start of combat, Hand Slap is utterly crippling given to my knowledge no enemy really resists it and delaying turns is extremely powerful in any situation where you have equal or better action economy. Kiss and Poison Frog are instant win effects if the enemy doesn't resist that specific status combo, and Toad resist is really rare outside of enemies who resist everything. And they're free.
Flan just gives you all the black mage elemental spells. Far more of a grind to max 3 flans than 2 lamiae but if you just want direct damage on Morpher, this is where you get it.
Additionally, Morpher requires extremely little commitment to be good. Since you can generally get away with only mastering 1-2 skills on Morpher, you can optimize around another class and leave Morpher as your secondary skillset. Time Mage/Morpher is a brutal duo as you start combat out with the usual Time Mage buffs, switch into your morph of choice (probably Lamia or Flan if Lamia isn't an option for that fight), and do your thing now that Time Mage's buffing isn't needed.
God not to mention dragon morphing gives you access to dragon force and mighty guard; not to mention the absolute destructive powers of their breaths.
@@caosisaac Aye. Dragon Morph is good too, but I generally consider it less important than Lamia or Flan, because those two generally cover everything you want a Nu Mou to do. Lamia has all the best status tools, and Flan is Black Mage. Dragon morph is amazing, but a bit less universally applicable to every team under the sun. I suppose the same can be said about Night abuse though.
Morph is arguably the best job to min max on Nu Mou to fwiw since it had the highest speed growth of all Nu Mous
Yeah i think outside them needing 1 turn of set up Morphers kinda cracked.
I just disagree with the "red mage is the most broken class". Yes, they are VERY strong, but man... Assassins have instakill
Instakill is one target. Red mage is multi target
Omg ff tactics advance. I tot it was community taboo or something. Nobody talk about this game everyone only talk about ff tactis
I think I played the game wrong as a kid. I only used the starting characters I got (plus one or two to send on errand quests that had rewards I wanted) and mastered all the classes with them.
Except gadgeteer, beast master, and blue mage anyway.
People complaining about this game being too kiddie clearly haven't played it.
Seriously. It doesnt have the political intrigue of the first game; but you are playing a game where you have to deny your friends greatest wishes and destroy this world that both you and they all love; not to mention the lives of all your guild mates that may or may not exist in the real world. Underneath the 'kiddie' aesthetic its honestly one of the darkest ff games in the franchise. To literally everyone else in the world you are the villain.
Damn, they really made the sequels for the original into a cartoony vibe esque game.
I shall be the one person! I've never played this game but gosh darn it are you insane if you think ninja is anything but S tier! 😂 Merry Holiday and whatnot
more kiddie, I mean the first fight in the game is a snowball fight
blue mage should be S OR A tier. you have a bias for fighter monk.... it seems like youre unfamiliar with blue mage
Haven't watched yet....YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!