I thought IIT were centers of technical innovation, now i know why India is still services and no major innovation happpen. IIT students are busy discussing Ramayan and Mahabharata
Before speaking about the humanity go through the the details properly he haven't killed Shambhu ka just because he is a dalit he killed Shambhuka bcos he is doing Tapasya during to get godhood and also keep this in mind that same Rama also killed Ravana who was a Brahmin
So whats wrong with that ? Rama killed a ravan bcoz he committed a crime of kidnapping his wife but whambuka,,he was rather peacefulll should not a god have universal objective morality @pedadasiddardha9655
Quite twisted argument. Is there no thinking or first principles to conclude. Did Rama had to blindly follow what was written in some bequeathed book? In that case he is far from ideal and there is real harm in glorifying him. I would rather like to believe that Uttarakanda is a later day insertion and this is not from original author
Sri Narada muni described in full, in nutshell " In tretayuga no one from sudra community can go for penance ( Sri Balkimiki was also sudra first,he gained sainthood after) in kaliyuga anyone can do penance or Sadhana., so as not qualified he must be killed ,As per Sri Narad Maharshi. Radhe Radhe 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
@@shilbhadraray4669ISIS , ALQAEDA must be having same Rama DNA. They were taught to kill other religions people as per their Sastra. But we call them terriorìsts and rama as God. Double standards
Ram doesn't killed him because he was sudra,it just his intentions was not so pure,he wanted to enter the heaven with mortal body which is against the law of nature it will create havock in the human world back then penance or tabam had immense potentials to put it in context, just imagine if I am about to invent a nuclear bomb, so tell me now is it my right for invention or it's the law to punish me.
Shri ram doesn't killed him because he was sudra it just his intentions was not so pure he wanted to enter the heaven with mortal body which is against the law of nature it will create havock in the human world back then penance or tabam had immense potentials to put it in the context just imagine if I am about to invent a nuclear bomb so tell me now is it my right to invention or it's the law to punish me,and remember he called gugan the boat sailor the so called sudra his own brother and he ate the remains of fruits that sabari (a tribal women)ate.
And Iskcon supports varna system. I attended their programs. Once I surprised a well educated brahmin (first time looked from that angle) student posted in facebook in support of varna system. It breaks the faith. If you are saying the rules are of that time, why to follow it now, just to capture some superior position in society, to have a feeling of being virtuous and competent and to maintain the social capital.
Of course it's mix of historical events with exaggerated miracles, that wouldn't have been the problem. However we know for a fact millions of people's lives is impacted because of laws and regulations formed around the mythology by handful of people.
If Rama is obeying the rules of unequality then why we worship him as GOD. GOD who made all creatures then how can he descriminate t the people just because of the rules made by humans. The answer given by this goodman is totally wrong
Ram is a avatar of Vishnu (parambramha), as human he may committed such wrong. But we are worshiping parambramha through Ram,,, as a form. Real Bramha is not Dasharath's Son,
@@pradipbehera4191 i tell you as a rational hindu, ramayan is work of articulation. Real knowledge sources are vedas (These tell many things about science, philosophy, humanity) Upnishads (these are basically intellectual debates many rishis had done with scholers on many things) read upnishads these are very logical debates (not like today people do they basically do just arguments in name of debates) About creation of universe, ultimate meaning of life in pure scientific way. Then come puranas and epics like mahabharat and ramayana which are basically artwork to spread deeply complicated philosophies to common people , just like today science fiction movies are made like interstellar on highly complicated mathematical concepts. All tradtions and our culture is derived from purana and epics stories only. Ramayana is not history but people who wrote it are historical figures. This should be way hindus should view things make it clear to understand our philosophy.
@@pradipbehera4191 most hindus do wrong thing is they scrach most outer cover of civilization to know but don't want to learn core concepts as these are complicated and needs complete dedication (We don't have it so performing prayer is enough to reach God)
Varnas itself is created by the Brahmins of and for them And they fooled the people for millenia Astonishing that these are being discussed in an IIT It shows that IIT ians can also be manipulated by such BS
He just try to whitewash Rama... The Sambhukavadha include in Ramayana as a" Lesson" to everyone as like anyother story in Ramayana.These are the Laws of that Age and the duty of Rama and Krishna is to protect The Chaturvarnya system.But today we can't say these so these people just try to whitewash
It's scary, really. Not sure why preachers should be given a platform in a premier technological institute like IITM. We really need a strict separation from religion in public sphere.
@@JasonMomos according to what I studied this preacher is significantly failing to answer question. In reality it is believed many concepts in uttar kand are later addition. As there was liberty to comment on scriptures and question it many people might had used it for wrong purpose. But somehow in premier institutions some philosophical activities are performed for students , iitns are smart enough to know right and wrong, even hundred rigligious leaders come they form their own opinions not like ordinary people who take it as divine, intellectuals take it logically
The Sanathana Dharma is so flexible that in future if people want again the Ram Rajya can be implemented with same laws of Manu … what is the guarantee of people following the constitution which was primarily drafted by a Dalit …!!! That will be a threat or flexibility of Sanathana dharma
So this guy is saying basically Ram practised Racism and cut his head and saying that, at that time it was different than current time lol. This guy is saying Ram could have been in prison if born today, so how such a person can be God.
Proof that Uttarkhanda is later day addition: In Yuddha khanda after Rama Pattabhisheksm there is Phalashruti given by Valmiki. Now after Uttarkhsnda again there is Phalashruti. Ramayana is the only book where there is 2 Phalashruti. Therefore it is logical to say Ramayana ends with Rama Pattabhisheksm followed by Original Phalashruti of Valmiki
later day addition? because you dont like it.7 parts of ramayana have been there from the beginning. if uttarkand is added later where is the 7th part then? another point- can i add something now? no-why? you know why? becuase everyone knows ramayana. how come someone added it without any opposition? why was it accepted by everyone?
@@lamppost157 Uttara Kanda is a later insertion and is to be ignored in its entirety. What could be the reasons, the ones holding power and authority want to continue exercising control over the masses and they do so by modifying religious scriptures. We see that happening in Abrahamic religions. Unfortunately, for these power brokers, Sanatana Dharma is so vast and deep that their undesirable attempts to sabotage Dharma has been to no avail.
अगर उत्तरकांड रामायण का हिस्सा नहीं है और बाद में जोड़ा गया है तो राम के बचाव में तर्क क्यों दिया जा रहा है सीधे सीधे मिलावटी कह कर नकार क्यों नहीं देते
ALL RELGIONS ARE MAN-MADE. The story clearly brings this out. There was no Shri Ram and there was no Shambhuka - the priests and poets wrote whatever was correct from their perspectives and in their times. Their knowledge of Science and Mathematics was very limited - and this is clearly borne out by all so-called scriptures. They were not completely wrong because they wrote mostly about daily life - but they were ignorant about the nature of the universe, the nature of elementary particles, and the causes of diseases. If they had any inkling of diseases, they would not have Vedic mantras to chase away illness. Ancient societies were quite innovative - in that they were able to domesticate animals and plants - and to a certain extent study the visible universe. But when it came to gods and astrology, they were completely stupid and many remain so, to this day. The sun shows up everyday - and stars does that too, every night (the moon shows up regularly but not every night - but its behaviour and that of the planets are predictable). Yet none of all the thousands of gods & semi-divine beings have ever shown their faces - doesn't tell you something. Religion was invented, partly, to control the masses - and it does that very well, even today. PAX VOBISCUM .
Have some knowledge, firstly 4 varnas are NOT based on birth: Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. as per ramayana Shambuka was doing thapas by hanging upside down of the tree without clear good goal without following proper rules.
Rama is not God.. Brahmin caste king.. He belongs to upper caste.. Shambuka was an untouchable shudra..Indian Sanatan Cultural Shudras were not like to read books and write and not to meditate.. If Shudras meditate on God or pray or worship any energy.. God becomes impure. Brahmins used to kill Shudras.. Basavanna and Buddha opposed this bad culture.. Both were Brahmins but did not follow Brahminism that's why Rama insulted Buddha.. Rama was a useless fellow.
He said he is doing penance to go to heaven in this body and take over it. Sonkinda like what ravana,megnath,jarasandh did. So not gonna wait to let it happen and then kill him. Its like u become scientists with hatd work and now making bombs to kill people just like nazi scientists. They did their study and tests rightly but used that knowledgeand power for wrong cause.@@AGHRAJITBISWAS
Problem is in understanding the basic truth on Varna that its not based on Birth: Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. why don't we first understand what is truth and then talk?
@@vnktkrnmany sanskaras are different for different varnas, for example the age of upanayan. How can someone decide guna and karma before education itself, atleast karma. Most importantly, it is practiced ONLY by birth in society. So no point of looking what is written somewhere.
@@pratapkumarmahato4464 if you don't have knowledge on true shastras better you don't comment. i have given the reference of the shastras clearly, read again. what people follow according to their own need is not truth.
@@vnktkrn In Gita itself, Krishna once said Arjun as 'avijaat', which means high birth. Also who will decide the Varna if not birth. Quality is not a discrete property
@@vnktkrn and you are no one to decide who can comment. Language itself is a derivative thing. Truth can't be incomplete and if shastras are truth what is the need of reading other books or even commentries. Does that mean true shastras are less effective and powerful than commentries? Adi Shankaracharya himself said I am Shiv and not Shastra. Shiv alone is truth. All the shastras are same as a stone or a tree, just mithyaa.
Wrong justification. If Rama did everything in old Yuga, why are we still following and hailing him now ? There must be more for killing Shambhuka not because he is sudra. Please research.
Completely wrong presentation. If that were the rule, Shabari, who was also shudra strI, and Sri Rama blessed her. Note - it is not - even though she did tapas, but it is - for the merits she earned doing tapas.
Tell this nonsense in your missionary churches, Rama is a incarnation of Lord Vishnu in human and he didn't killed dalit he killed Shambhu ka because he is doing tapasya God hood also keep this in mind that Rama also killed Ravana who was Brahmin
🚩🚩🚩I think you are referring to BUddhist sanatan dharma as its only and original sanatan which came with philosophy of change is the constant...On other hand brahaman santan dharma is very orthodox and robbed dharma which cant tolerate even single change in dharmik thought thing...
@@sreeparthan BS, building institutes like IIT, AIIMS, Steel plants etc are minimum expectations from a rational progressive person as PM. It wouldn't have been different if remotest possibilites of Constituent assembly are considered to Prime Ministership. Nehru's blunders and traitorous criminal negligence along with apathy to forces and nepotism far outweighs all other policies. To say that if we had no Nehru, we won't be having IITs today is as moronic as saying that if we had no Delhousie, we won't be having railways.
@@sreeparthan HAha..🤣🤣🤣🤣 how pathetic to see a nutba@g resorting to labelling, name calling, dubious generalizations when no logical argument is possible. Writings to Brigadier JP Dalvi substantiated with accounts of people like S. Radhakrishnan alone is enough to understand the traitorous nepotism of Nehru who favoured irresolute inexperienced Brijmohan Kaul jeopardising the Army. Causing the disintegration of Kashmir by going for a ceasefire, and having an extra-marital relation with Edwina Mountbatten compromising India's interests should be the Nehruvian way of 'nation building' according to you LMFAO.. go and repair your truncated brain.🤢🤢 I have seen many schmucks like you, to whom logic and facts make no sense.
Story of shambuk vadh is not correct rather it's contradictory. Ram respected shabari, Nishad Raj all his servants in the palace how can he punish a person who try himself something. Further all this Story of shambuk vadh and Sita nishkashan are added later in the Ramayan
Yes. While I am not sure(not that I question, but just that its my ignorance) Shambhuka vada is part of Valmiki Ramayana, but it is very clear that Sita nishkashan is definitely part of Valmiki Ramayana. But both were not discrimination. To quote the same Dushyant's answer to this question in a tamil channel, Shambhuka vada was not discrimination against shudras. Because if it were the valmiki, who was a contemporary of rama, who wrote ramayana after sita was abandoned in his hermitage as a pregnant woman, was a shudras and he did penance at the behest of narada who did at the blessings of brahma and shiva told valmiki to do so, it clearly shows there were no discrimination. one may claim that rama might have exempted valmiki either because he wrote his biography or perhaps because of his after-thought or guilty consciousness due to killing of shambhuka. But why would divine muni and Gods ordain to reverse what was their beloved regression? Yes certain varnas have dos and donts but there has always been exemptions when the scenario was greater good or betterment of oneself. Dharmavyaadha was an exponent of spiritual teaching, at whose door steps everyone including rishis, munis, brahmins included all 4 varna people waited to learn from, was a shudras - a butcher. Shambhuka's crossing the yellow line act ie doing penance against his varna ordinance was for a selfish goal ie to go to heaven with his own body, which is against nature. Valmik's penance was for enlightenment so it was acceptable. Shashtras, while giving dos and donts have also given exemptions as well. Similarly, while as an individual, that too a pregnant lady, her abandonment was wrong done to the individual, sita's abandonment was done as per the rules of larger society. This shows, unlike the present days, people at power had more and stringent restrictions. Because while one set of society were raising doubts other set of society was critical of decision citing her condition. This means, in society, this kind of abandonment was not general norm but was special norm for people in power.
If god does means it have to be followed .So u cant say we couldnt accept it blindly.So your explanation is not good.The contraversy still exist by the explanation u have given.
If I remember correctly Janaka was a tremendous wisdom Ruler but his kingdom suffered from draughts. And here you are saying if the ruler is great that even rains come on time
That is why janaki came to this earth. Janaka never said that I am not responsible but even took the responsibility. SrimadBhagvatGita says that Janaka followed his Raja Dharma and attained salvation.
One thing which we should keep in mind is, logic is built by giving some examples and logic may not be factual or real in all cases. So his examples only supports his logic.
Boss you have not read ramayan, the previous chapters of Ramayan follow a different vedic sahitya where as the last uttarakanda follows modern style.Uttarakanda is not part of original Sanskrit Ramayana , so many scholars do not treat it as authentic.
First of all I would like to remember that real story of *Lord Rama* is written by *Mahrishi Valmiki* , all the rest book is only opinions. Everyone knows that the *uttarkand* of Valmiki Ramayana was not part of original Ramayana written by *Mahrishi Valmiki* .The uttarkand was mischieviously added by any person for fulfilling his own intentions. Anyone can conclude this after reading last chapter (sarg) of yuddhakand of Valmiki Ramayana. So if anyone really want to know something about Lord Rama, he or she must only and only study the *authentic Ramayana written by Mahrishi Valmiki only* .
It is......but there is a prefix before the name Shambook in the concerned mentioned in Ramayan and that is "khota" ie 'mischievous' ...the mention of his 'motive behind penance' was ostensibly horribly mischievous.... and that was that "he wanted to go to haven along with his mortal body....mind it, that this was not even allowed to any God to do so.
who could have inserted this part in Ramayan.Because shudras were not literate. Only a Brahmin could have added because kshatriyas and vaisyas were just obeying the brahmins.
By murdering Shambuk- was murder of an innocent and unarmed person- justified by ANY standards of humanity and a civilised person ? Sir Valmiki has shown Ram as a very ordinary person with all human weaknesses like killing Vali by deception by hiding behind a tree- FANATIC Hindus will justify this mean act. Blind belief means MADNESS. Why is Ramayan not included in the history books of schools or ANY other history book ? Is Ram any Ramayan such a worthless topic in Indian history ? Are Akbar , Ghazni , Babur more important than Ram ? Answer this yourself.
Either this man himself doesn't know Dharma or he is crazy. Shabri's story goes above and beyond this Shudra stuff. Either this uttarakand is maleficently added or there is a dharmic reason for it. A god cannot be enslaved by Manu's rules nor can he not uplift a broken society norms for dharmic reasons. Krishna is the prime eg. he says ye ev dharma sau dharma deshkal pratishtitha adanama nritam himsa tasmo sthanam smitha smrita. Dharma changes based on situation and time it cannot be the socitiel norms. Something known as dharma can be dharma based on that situation and time. Only thing is explanation and reasoning must clear.
Traditional Brahmins are like that only. They themselves are afraid to speak against outdated "Shastras" or challenge them in any ways. Otherwise they will be expelled from their caste together with all their descendants. And even if their descendants wanted to return (aka perform "Ghar Wapsi") they cannot return as Brahmins but only as Shudras or even Chandalas. So naturally he's too scared to criticise anything and is just working hard to make unreasonable stuff sound a little "reasonable". LFMAO
The problem is we are not telling the basic truth on Varna that its not based on Birth: Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. as per ramayana(u.k) Shambuka was doing thapas by hanging upside down of the tree without clear good goal without following proper rules.
If Rama did this as per the rules of somebody, then he is no more God not even a role model for any mankind to follow. If he were to live after India's independence, then as per our constitution he should be in prison for killing a person based on caste.. how come a god blindly follow someone's instructions?? How come a god kills his devotees? What happened to people to blindly believe all these things ? Today i got shocked to come accross this story which happened in the history. How is rama different from a normal human being when he exactly acts like a man without any humanity
Early tells you that you haven't read the Ramayan properly once go and read the Ramayan properly Mr Dilip Kumar , Lord Rama has killed Shambhu ka because penance to get god status with live form which is wrong and also you should know that same Lord Ram also killed Ravana Brahma who was a Brahmin , you should know that he is the man with humanity
He is twisting is answering and confusing ther lady by convincing that was right from time point of view of rama. Till today Brahmins are against humanity the want earn by begging arms inside temple. And stil assume hogh postion. They ask other outside temple not to beg. Simpla answer to you lady. Bramhin use Kshtriya administrator to protect their reservation and keep others by punishing him till today if a brahmin is at high administration he will create hell pf rules and regulations , but you will fail to attain it but promotion will be granted only of his brahmin caste or a gulam catse.
I agree that one shud not judge old days with lens of our times, but then dont idealize people or kings of those times. Like the way certain people are idealizing Rama now a days. Rama is just another king of a epic story who has shown all types human behavior. Because of such idealizations, the core of the story is lost. Valmiki didnt write a story to bring a new god to earth, but he wrote an epic on a man (may be lived 3000 years before Valmiki, or may be a fiction), with all sort of emotions. But now for political, religious and castes benefits, people started idealizing him. Worst case, one democratic country's leader is the first among them
AS per Mahatmas , first not in Valmiki Ramayan , As nobody allowed to go to swarga permanently with human body hence such penance was not going to yield desired result to shambhuka but also causing bad results to that yuga soceity . While Shambhuka complete's to inform Srirama his desire & reason of penance. Sri Rama instantly kills him & thus grants the boon of swarga life with Astral body . It was never a question of him being a sudhra/dalit or not a sudhra/Dalit, such penance with that desire was considered to have caused bad effects to that soceity at that time
Why ravan was not stopped when he was performing penance, for the All-knowing God giving boon knew he had bad motive & intentions, he too had bad desires & motives; yet he wasn't killed, instead he was granted the asked boon.
The development of the modern world is at the cost of very planet and billions of billions living beings and humanity may ask is the very development is necessary?
@@ramabapatRavan Ke Baare Mai sune the Swarg ke liye Sidhi bnawa rha tha... Hihihi... Mai kru to saaala character dhila 😂😂... My friend we both are first human and part of same family...so respect each other otherwise firse Ghaznwi Aayega aur Somnath ko lutega...Situation are getting woarst nd woarst day by day so, plzs respct and accpt all the people of santan dharma equally otherwise... As Bhagwan krishn said in bhagwat gita"jab jab is duniya mai adharm badega mai aaunga"
The question whether Uttara Kanda was in the original or it was added later is immaterial. The question whether the whole Ramayan or part of it (viz. Uttara Kanda) were real happenings or man-written stories is also immaterial. Dushyanth’s suggestion not to look at this Shambuka incident (or even anything else in the itikasas that are objectionable in today’s context) with today’s lenses is a vain attempt to save what he tries to save. The unjust things don’t survive through times. The dharma, on what Rama did that act, was actually adharma and hence it(manu or whatever crooked he was) couldn’t survive. All the religions have evolved and are evolving through, by scraping all the inhuman and unrighteous things it had before and this will continue as long as necessary.
I agree with Dushyant when he says that , we shouldn't look at that incident based on today's lens , or modernist urbanized americanised commu inst type perspective! What Rama did was Dharmik ( Dharmik righteousness is not according to your modernist perspective based on simplistic thinking but based on Tapasya which is Hindu practice) , It would be very difficult for a modernist to understand what manu said ! Even if you put things into categories like good things vs inhuman unrighteous things , The fact of the matter is that even those things which would be considered as good , or manageable by modernist, he won't be able to sacrifice his modernist lifestyle to practice those good things also ! Like meditation yoga tapasya etc !
@@thunderbolt4796 In short, what you say is "huh you don't know. huh.. you can't understand this". This is the only and easiest answer you could give. No worries. Time will answer and people will slowly understand (not what you simply believe and love to believe in the name of religion and ancestral pride but, otherwise).
@@mask2705 I am not answering, justifying anything! I only described what's your point of view what's your logic and where does that come from , And we refuse to accept that framework, Which is nothing but urbanized modernist framework! You have mistaken my reply as some kind of an attempt to convince into believing in what I believe! You should understand my comment as an attempt to show you that we Know what's your logic is , and we are never going to accept it as we have our own framework and logic ! So no matter how many times you use words like "unjust" "inhuman" , it's not going to have any impact on us , I even discarded this word "re ligion"! We don't accept you (or your likes) as some kind of Supreme authority and We are supposed to answer you or something NOPE
@@thunderbolt4796 Yes, you are right. You will not change, I know and I can sense it, but the generations to come will, slowly of course. You can already witness this by looking at your grandchildren. All the best.
There were nearly over 120 uttarakanda writings found all over india nd nepal.only 5 mention of shambuk vada.instead of leaving of story of shambuk as incorrect,geeta press printed it.hindus being shameless society accepted it without reading.ram would have killed valmiki if he was against lower varna people doing tapasya.
you are wrong. fact is 4 varnas are NOT based on birth: Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. as per ramayana Shambuka was doing thapas by hanging upside down of the tree without clear good goal without following proper rules.
😂😂 that's why to follow faith and to follow God are different. Your thoughts are generator of your action. Your actions are generator of your livelihood. Thus congratulations for accumulation of bad karma.
@@vnktkrn which guna and qualities made kauravas and pandavas 105 kshetriyas? U said varna wasn't birthright Why did they fought for throne or mia khalifa? They're all kshetriya
If so my lord Ram can never be wrong. Shambuka asked moksha and Lord Ram gave shambuka moksha by beheading him. Lord Ram responded to the Thapas of Shambuka. He also respected the sages and Manu sasthra by doing so.
Yeah, Shambuka really needed a beheading to attain moksha. That's how moksha is given for shudras. Had it been a brahmin however, he could have simply walked into heaven. Imagine preaching these fairy tale bs infront of some of the brightest minds in the country! 🤡
Shambuka means one who wanted to be shambu (shiva) . A asura named janga got a boon from Parvathi to live for one Kalpa and started performing the tapas to marry Parvathi herself (becoming shambu) . Idiot like Dushyant are dangerous than shambuka for sanathana dharma
Uttara-Kanda was not added, it is a legitimate portion of the Ramayana. Sri Madhvāchārya has commented on it in his Mahābhārata Tātparya Nirnaya. Regarding this incident, Shambhuka was doing penance to attain Rudra Padavi, which he was not eligible for. This is the actual reason behind Rama’s justice.
Shambhuka episode and also Ram leaving Sita in the forest are episodes not there in Valmiki Ramayan. These are thus not taken seriously as there are later added in Tulsi's Ramcaritmanas by questionable people and go against nature of Lord Rama.
Sri dushyant missed many valid reasons, and ended up saying its just the rules that Bhagavan Rama had to follow at that time, which is not the main reason. bhagavan did not kill him bcoz he was shudhra by varna. there were many bad nimittas (indications or happenings) at that time. one young boy mysteriously died without any reason. the father of that boy came to bhagavan Rama and said that this akaala mrutyu (untimely death) is due to some serious adharma that is happening in his kingdom. So bhagavan went around his kingdom in pushpaka vimana. He happened to see shambhuka hanging upside down from a tree doing penance. bhagavan saw that, and then he killed him. now a question will come, why not leave him, if he was doing some penance, why should be kill him for that? seems to be a valid reason, isnt it? now, shambhuka had already obtained a boon from divine mother Uma, that he wud live for a long time/ one kalpa period, which is basically 1000 chatur yogas. sri madhwacharya in mahabharata tatparya nirnaya grantha, says about shambhuka that he was an asura and he got this boon from Mother Uma to live for a kalpa kaala. why he asked for this boon? bcoz he wanted to do penance to go to swarga loka (heaven) with this human body and to get the position of sri Indra with this shareera / body. he also wanted to rule over the Indra loka. we cant go to other lokas with this human body. his penance was also to go to kailasa (shiva loka) and to lord over there. these were against natural laws of divine and there were bad intentions...the goal of his tapas was wrong. hence, bhagavan raama killed him. and after killing shambhuka , that teenage boy came back to life and devas offered flowers (pushpa vrishti) on bhagavan. bhagavan was so loving towards sabhari, guha (who were of shudhra varna), and he killed ravana, who was a brahamana & also killed thadaka, who was a asuric female. bhagavan rama protected the righteous and punished evil forces. if some one secretly does some nuclear bomb testing / some anti social activities or some illegal activities in a secret area or a forest, will the govt allow that? will such people not be punished or executed? the same approach here too. hence, bhagavan rama executed shambhuka for the above mentioned reasons.
It is all utter crap and you just trying to justify a purely evil crime described in that book. What wrong the mother and her five children did for Bheem to burn them to death while they were sleeping, so that Duryodhan and friends would think it was Pandavas. The main reason of worry of Arjuna in Bagavat Geetha is people may not follow the cast system and that may lead to anarchy. If someone not following cast system is considered as grave sin in these so called itihasas regardless someone added this later or not. Balaram killed sage Vyasas servant for not showing his inferiority in front of him and later realised the servant was asked to take Vyasas place and he was giving the lecture for him hence he hesitated to bow before him. Only Brahmins were treated like humans and any crime against lower caste had no implications. Unfortunately this was the case until 19th century.
@@arunchemparathy199Buddy ..you and me are discussing here because of sacrifice from several mothers who have sent their children to fight for nation and safeguard us..similar things in these stories as well. Don't miss forest for a tree..see from a larger perspective.
@@chandrashekarh.m.3576 I fully agree with you regarding the sacrifice of our nation’s heroes even though I don’t understand how it is related to my above comment. I was commenting about so called scholars struggling to justify innocent people being killed by the heroes in the Ithihasa. That gentleman who is giving the lecture gave much better reasoning than the original comment that I replied my first comment. It was normal at that time but it is a grave sin now. Humanity evolved to accept all vargas and jaathis are equal even though some religious fanatics still standing at the prehistoric time.All the ithihaasas and holy books will be judged with test of times and there will be some ideas and practices that will not carry over to future generations. Some people try to justify the evil practices of those times by auger coating with some strange moral justifications because of their religious sensitivities.
@@arunchemparathy199 that mother sacrificed her kids to save pandavas..so that they can go and fight against duryodhana's injustice thereby saving many lives..so called intellectuals try to find fault in puranas and ignore the implied meaning in stories..
@@chandrashekarh.m.3576 how did the tribal mother came to know about Duryodhanas plan. From what I read , she visited Kunti and Pandavas and since it was too late to return to jungle, decided to stay in the palace. Bheema realized this an opportunity and executed his plan.
Before speaking about the Manu please keep this in mind that Verna is not a birthplace it is occupation based and also a person even he is a shudra he can become Brahmin with his merit
In the first place, the style of uttarakanda is quite different from the rest of the Ramayana. One can see two style markers in Valmiki. One is abundant use of similes. The second one is that any description Valmiki renders is quite eloborate. These two style markers are not present in the Uttarakanda. In the second place, In ancient times varna is a personal choice. The term 'varna' means choice. the root is var- meaning to choose. Even in Avestha this terms occurs in the meaning 'to choose'. If sambooka wanted to perform penance, he should have taken to Brahmana varna, or Kshatriya varna or Vaisya varna. That option is available for everybody. having opted to sudra varna, or having been born in sudra varna and without changing his varna by exercising the option, performing penance is against varna-astrama-dharma.
You mean that one must change from shudra to brahman ,kshatriya or vaishya to perform a penance ?? Please clarify sir..your answers satisfied me more that his.
@@rajendrachoudhary7098 but it is false argument...there were no caste system during that era..from my knowledge i can say that it is not mentioned about shabri being discriminated bcz of cast in valmiki ramayan .. There is not a SINGLE SHLOK about it in Valmiki Ramayan,it was all imagination by Tulsidas Ji because at that time caste system was prevailing so maybe to show that even Ram ate Dalit’s berries,all of us also should live together,he wrote it.
Maryadhapurushothaman was a casteist and a misogynist. Don't shove the Rama Rajya and teach maryadha based on him in the current era. We live in a democracy and do not turn India to a monarchy with such sensibilities.
Shri Ram killed Ravan who was a Brahman but no issue here, why? Because we all know Ravan was wrong. Similarly Shambhuk was wrong as his Tapa was to go to heaven with body and defeat Indra to control Swarg. This is called Tamas Tapa. If Tapa ends into destroying someone, how can anyone in right mind support Shambhuk or Tadka or Ravan? One more thing which is cleverly hidden here is, what happened after Shambhuk vadh, all those children who were dead, got their life back.
Bn rau could have revised his version. Also its mahatma gandhiji who suggested amabedkar for this work and made him law ministet believing his abilities
अगर उत्तरकांड रामायण का हिस्सा नहीं है और बाद में जोड़ा गया है तो राम के बचाव में तर्क क्यों दिया जा रहा है सीधे सीधे मिलावटी कह कर नकार क्यों नहीं देते
LoL wut directly 5 children are mentioned, 1 brahmin, 1 kshtriya, 1 vayshaya and 2 shudra but this doesn't dispel the possibility that other kids were also not sacrificed so that sambhuka could goto heaven in his mortal body
Waqf board rule created by Congress Party. And by the way anything which is against Sanatana Dharma is is wrong, then why to give temple places to Waqf Board.
If Sanatana Dharma gave such liberty then as soon as muslim invaders attacked India and find opportunity to raise victim card for Dalits and convert them, The Brahmins then have to struck down caste system because it gives such liberty to do so.
There were so many daityas who performed penance of Shiva and Brahma, Rama never felt to kill those daityas but because Shambuk was a shudra, Rama didnt feel shame to kill a already oppressed shudra
See, Lord Rāma did not kill Shambuka for performing penance. He killed him because the intention of his penance was wrong and to conquer over the heavens. Secondly, Lord Rāma killed so many demons and daityas. Read Ramayana, you would know. Lord Rāma is also known as Daitya-Vansh-Nikandanam, which means destroyer of the Daitya vansh or demons.
This "Pattanaamam man" is lying or liar Thiruvalluvar said தெய்வம் தொழாஅள் கொழுநன் தொழுதெழுவாள் பெய்யெனப் பெய்யும் மழை. Meaning: Even rains fall at the command of the wife Who upon rising worships not God, but her husband.(This particular poetry was criticized by rationalists as portraying women as slaves)
Thiruvalluvar is against "Varna Dharma" which is Hierarchical or graded inequality by birth. Thiruvalluvar said "அறம்" That is something like Morality, uprightness, rights and wrongs, upstandingness but that's not varnasrama dharma. பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும் சிறப்பொவ்வா செய்தொழில் வேற்றுமை யான். Meaning: By birth all men are equal. Differences in their action Render their worth unequal.
Background of the Story: The reign of Lord Rama is known as Rama Rajya. It is believed to be the best rule in human history. In it, the people of all Varnas followed their duties assiduously. There was no untimely death of any citizen. All the people were happy and satisfied. No one died of hunger or disease. People used to have a long lifespan. Therefore, when a Brahmin’s 14-year-old son died(not new borns dying or Maternal Mortality Ratio -MMR) it was a shock for everyone. “O Ascetic, I am Rama, the son of Dasharatha. Are you a Brahmin or an invincible Kshatriya? Are you a Vaishya, one of the third caste, or are you a Shudra? Answer me truthfully!” The ascetic replied, “O highly illustrious Rama, I am born in the race of Shudras; Having said this, Lord Rama took out of scabbard a beautiful sharp sword and chopped off his head. And that Shudra being slain, Indra, Agni, and other celestials praised him again and again and showered flowers.Background of the Story: The reign of Lord Rama is known as Rama Rajya. It is believed to be the best rule in human history. In it, the people of all Varnas followed their duties assiduously. There was no untimely death of any citizen. All the people were happy and satisfied. No one died of hunger or disease. People used to have a long lifespan. Therefore, when a Brahmin’s 14-year-old son died(not , it was a shock for everyone. “O Ascetic, I am Rama, the son of Dasharatha. Are you a Brahmin or an invincible Kshatriya? Are you a Vaishya, one of the third caste, or are you a Shudra? Answer me truthfully!” The ascetic replied, “O highly illustrious Rama, I am born in the race of Shudras; Having said this, Lord Rama took out of scabbard a beautiful sharp sword and chopped off his head. And that Shudra being slain, Indra, Agni, and other celestials praised him again and again and showered flowers.
The answer is very simple. Don't beat around the bush. Rama killed shambuka just because he was a lower cast hindu performing penance. This is the beauty of Hinduism. Just get out of it and live like a human. You cannot expect respect as a lower cast hindhu. Conert to another religion. Otherwise, your next generation and after that generation will remain the same. Cast system will remain till the end of Hinduism. The only solution is "just get out of Hindu" Choise is yours.
कितना बोलना पड़ रहा है एक गलत बात को दबाने के लिए एक निहत्थे इंसान को जो तपस्या कर रहा है भगवान का नाम ले रहा है क्या उसका कत्ल कर देना सही है एक राक्षस तपस्या कर सकता है शूद्र नहीं क्या यही राम राज्य है ?
This is what I have heard in child hood. Shabmhuka was doing penance to not attain Liberation or Enlightenment. It is believed that he want to attain ASTHA+KARMA ( Occult powers to dominated people) and trying on children and poor people.
Bad explanation... He is only focusing on the time factor of events, that too absolutely nonsense. One cannot choose to follow some aspects and leave some on his whims. This is the worst kind of suggestion. It must be done under the guidance of Guru. Besides it seems the speaker himself doesn't understand the nuances of the story. The sin Shambuk did was that he was trying to break and disobey the rules of nature of trying to go to heaven in the mortal body itself. Thus by speaker's logic today since SC has absolved women from punishment of adultery so there is no sin to it. One can choose accordingly. What the hell?!!
Nowdays rama is god and before as well as per hindu people and how god can killed just as discrimination . God looking everybody is equal why rama never think thought about this if he is god ?
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Your answer is Brahminical
He's struggling 😂
I thought IIT were centers of technical innovation, now i know why India is still services and no major innovation happpen. IIT students are busy discussing Ramayan and Mahabharata
Yes, that's why there is no any institution like iit or IIM in top 200
Yes, since IITs are centers of technical innovation, they should close all canteens and toilets as well
Only technical innovation should be allowed!
its comes in history so yeah ofc its one of the best colleges
@@piyushwinner Monkeys building bridges across oceans is not history, its called myths and folklore
@@mj9765 Dumb moorkh bhakt spotted, canteens and toilets are basic amenities, education is different from religion
I am a very staunch Hindu and a vegetarian who has the brains to differentiate between sense and NONSENSE and CRIME .
If he is God... He has humanity in any era any place. Humanity sence is there for person irrespective of time, era, place, authority, Constitution.
Before speaking about the humanity go through the the details properly he haven't killed Shambhu ka just because he is a dalit he killed Shambhuka bcos he is doing Tapasya during to get godhood and also keep this in mind that same Rama also killed Ravana who was a
Brahmin
he killed ravana because of sita .
@@pedadasiddardha9655
@@ishdeepsingh5125he killed Shambhu ka because he is doing penence to get the god status on being mortel
@@pedadasiddardha9655 so according to you only brahmin can get God status
So whats wrong with that ? Rama killed a ravan bcoz he committed a crime of kidnapping his wife but whambuka,,he was rather peacefulll should not a god have universal objective morality @pedadasiddardha9655
With your arguments, Rama is great in those times and not so great today..
Quite twisted argument. Is there no thinking or first principles to conclude. Did Rama had to blindly follow what was written in some bequeathed book? In that case he is far from ideal and there is real harm in glorifying him. I would rather like to believe that Uttarakanda is a later day insertion and this is not from original author
Sri Narada muni described in full, in nutshell " In tretayuga no one from sudra community can go for penance ( Sri Balkimiki was also sudra first,he gained sainthood after) in kaliyuga anyone can do penance or Sadhana., so as not qualified he must be killed ,As per Sri Narad Maharshi. Radhe Radhe 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
@@shilbhadraray4669ISIS , ALQAEDA must be having same Rama DNA. They were taught to kill other religions people as per their Sastra. But we call them terriorìsts and rama as God. Double standards
Ram doesn't killed him because he was sudra,it just his intentions was not so pure,he wanted to enter the heaven with mortal body which is against the law of nature it will create havock in the human world back then penance or tabam had immense potentials to put it in context, just imagine if I am about to invent a nuclear bomb, so tell me now is it my right for invention or it's the law to punish me.
Shri ram doesn't killed him because he was sudra it just his intentions was not so pure he wanted to enter the heaven with mortal body which is against the law of nature it will create havock in the human world back then penance or tabam had immense potentials to put it in the context just imagine if I am about to invent a nuclear bomb so tell me now is it my right to invention or it's the law to punish me,and remember he called gugan the boat sailor the so called sudra his own brother and he ate the remains of fruits that sabari (a tribal women)ate.
@@shilbhadraray4669 Valmiki was brahmin by birth, don't spread fabricated thing
What a dumb answer. No Aurangazeb or Babur to blame.
It's confusing to differentiate what to follow for what . Why at all nature is dragged.
Varna vyavastha - amazing theory and questions and explanations. When we will become humans?
And Iskcon supports varna system. I attended their programs. Once I surprised a well educated brahmin (first time looked from that angle) student posted in facebook in support of varna system. It breaks the faith. If you are saying the rules are of that time, why to follow it now, just to capture some superior position in society, to have a feeling of being virtuous and competent and to maintain the social capital.
@@pratapkumarmahato4464brother iskcon support the varna system in the angle of Guna Karma which is mentioned in Bhagavat Gita
@@pratapkumarmahato4464brother iskcon support the varna system in the angle of Guna Karma which is mentioned in Bhagavat Gita
My question is whether Ramayana is mythology or it happens on ground!!!!!
Of course it's mix of historical events with exaggerated miracles, that wouldn't have been the problem. However we know for a fact millions of people's lives is impacted because of laws and regulations formed around the mythology by handful of people.
May be it's time we forget those who belong to different period and find gods and goddesses from this period!
If Rama is obeying the rules of unequality then why we worship him as GOD. GOD who made all creatures then how can he descriminate t the people just because of the rules made by humans. The answer given by this goodman is totally wrong
Ram is a avatar of Vishnu (parambramha), as human he may committed such wrong. But we are worshiping parambramha through Ram,,, as a form.
Real Bramha is not Dasharath's Son,
@@pradipbehera4191 i tell you as a rational hindu, ramayan is work of articulation.
Real knowledge sources are vedas
(These tell many things about science, philosophy, humanity)
Upnishads (these are basically intellectual debates many rishis had done with scholers on many things) read upnishads these are very logical debates (not like today people do they basically do just arguments in name of debates)
About creation of universe, ultimate meaning of life in pure scientific way.
Then come puranas and epics like mahabharat and ramayana which are basically artwork to spread deeply complicated philosophies to common people , just like today science fiction movies are made like interstellar on highly complicated mathematical concepts.
All tradtions and our culture is derived from purana and epics stories only.
Ramayana is not history but people who wrote it are historical figures.
This should be way hindus should view things make it clear to understand our philosophy.
@@pradipbehera4191 most hindus do wrong thing is they scrach most outer cover of civilization to know but don't want to learn core concepts as these are complicated and needs complete dedication
(We don't have it so performing prayer is enough to reach God)
Varnas itself is created by the Brahmins of and for them
And they fooled the people for millenia
Astonishing that these are being discussed in an IIT
It shows that IIT ians can also be manipulated by such BS
He just try to whitewash Rama... The Sambhukavadha include in Ramayana as a" Lesson" to everyone as like anyother story in Ramayana.These are the Laws of that Age and the duty of Rama and Krishna is to protect The Chaturvarnya system.But today we can't say these so these people just try to whitewash
My God this lecture is in IIT Chennai. 😂😂😂😂
It's scary, really. Not sure why preachers should be given a platform in a premier technological institute like IITM. We really need a strict separation from religion in public sphere.
Always has been
@@JasonMomos according to what I studied this preacher is significantly failing to answer question. In reality it is believed many concepts in uttar kand are later addition. As there was liberty to comment on scriptures and question it many people might had used it for wrong purpose.
But somehow in premier institutions some philosophical activities are performed for students , iitns are smart enough to know right and wrong, even hundred rigligious leaders come they form their own opinions not like ordinary people who take it as divine, intellectuals take it logically
Please you say in Hindi.I donot understand in english
Ramayana has been lecture in German universities always. Does that sound digestible now?
The Sanathana Dharma is so flexible that in future if people want again the Ram Rajya can be implemented with same laws of Manu … what is the guarantee of people following the constitution which was primarily drafted by a Dalit …!!! That will be a threat or flexibility of Sanathana dharma
So this guy is saying basically Ram practised Racism and cut his head and saying that, at that time it was different than current time lol. This guy is saying Ram could have been in prison if born today, so how such a person can be God.
I’m surprised these discussions are in IIT Chennai …. ????
Proof that Uttarkhanda is later day addition: In Yuddha khanda after Rama Pattabhisheksm there is Phalashruti given by Valmiki. Now after Uttarkhsnda again there is Phalashruti. Ramayana is the only book where there is 2 Phalashruti. Therefore it is logical to say Ramayana ends with Rama Pattabhisheksm followed by Original Phalashruti of Valmiki
later day addition? because you dont like it.7 parts of ramayana have been there from the beginning. if uttarkand is added later where is the 7th part then? another point- can i add something now? no-why? you know why? becuase everyone knows ramayana. how come someone added it without any opposition? why was it accepted by everyone?
@@lamppost157 it was never accepted by everyone
@@lamppost157 Uttara Kanda is a later insertion and is to be ignored in its entirety.
What could be the reasons, the ones holding power and authority want to continue exercising control over the masses and they do so by modifying religious scriptures.
We see that happening in Abrahamic religions.
Unfortunately, for these power brokers, Sanatana Dharma is so vast and deep that their undesirable attempts to sabotage Dharma has been to no avail.
@@lamppost157 there are more than 1000 vesrions of ramayana . Has anybody opposed ?
@@lamppost157 The reasons are - Afghans, Mughals, Ghori , ok there Arabs , Britain and their British rules and decisions such as abolishing GURUKULS.
Authentic research papers are avilable proving that Uthararamayana is not the work of Rishi Valmiki .
@Hakai Toppo th-cam.com/video/qo5-eTixszw/w-d-xo.html
Kindly listen to the discussion on the book compiling unassailable research papers on the subject in the jaipur dialogues. The link is given above
@@namboodiries9069 send the link bro
अगर उत्तरकांड रामायण का हिस्सा नहीं है
और बाद में जोड़ा गया है तो
राम के बचाव में तर्क क्यों दिया जा रहा है
सीधे सीधे मिलावटी कह कर नकार क्यों नहीं देते
People with power rewrite history to create a power shift. Nothing new.
Uttarkand is added later....no meaning in explaining such question....
Whatever pleases your heart
But this was used to oppress for 2500 years
It was written by some brahmins to prove themselves grater than others.
Then Ram Rajya has all the rules which are quite old …. Which may not place in today’s world… we can forget !!!!!!
Kuchh Gyan Hari kitab balo ko bhi de do
jai bhim
Where was your jay bhim in Kashmir where Doctore, Engineer, PHD davit brothers and sisters where EMPLOYED AS Toilet cleaner??? Where was you f***** 🐀
Jai punda bhim 😂
@@FactsandReelsForallrand bhim
@@prasantabagh432 Jai lodu Bhim 😂
@@FactsandReelsForalljay ambedekar gay pandu putra niyog putra bheem
How can you ammend the chaturvarna system ?
ALL RELGIONS ARE MAN-MADE. The story clearly brings this out.
There was no Shri Ram and there was no Shambhuka - the priests
and poets wrote whatever was correct from their perspectives and
in their times. Their knowledge of Science and Mathematics was
very limited - and this is clearly borne out by all so-called scriptures.
They were not completely wrong because they wrote mostly about
daily life - but they were ignorant about the nature of the universe,
the nature of elementary particles, and the causes of diseases. If
they had any inkling of diseases, they would not have Vedic mantras
to chase away illness. Ancient societies were quite innovative - in
that they were able to domesticate animals and plants - and to a
certain extent study the visible universe.
But when it came to gods and astrology, they were completely stupid
and many remain so, to this day. The sun shows up everyday - and
stars does that too, every night (the moon shows up regularly but not
every night - but its behaviour and that of the planets are predictable).
Yet none of all the thousands of gods & semi-divine beings have ever
shown their faces - doesn't tell you something. Religion was invented,
partly, to control the masses - and it does that very well, even today.
PAX VOBISCUM
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Rama should have been killed by Shambuka .
It’s really shameful for a human being. I am not sure how people can worship Ram
This incident is an interpolation without a doubt.
Have some knowledge, firstly 4 varnas are NOT based on birth:
Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. as per ramayana Shambuka was doing thapas by hanging upside down of the tree without clear good goal without following proper rules.
Rama is not God.. Brahmin caste king.. He belongs to upper caste.. Shambuka was an untouchable shudra..Indian Sanatan Cultural Shudras were not like to read books and write and not to meditate.. If Shudras meditate on God or pray or worship any energy.. God becomes impure. Brahmins used to kill Shudras.. Basavanna and Buddha opposed this bad culture.. Both were Brahmins but did not follow Brahminism that's why Rama insulted Buddha.. Rama was a useless fellow.
@@vnktkrnreason for killing? Why killl?
He said he is doing penance to go to heaven in this body and take over it. Sonkinda like what ravana,megnath,jarasandh did. So not gonna wait to let it happen and then kill him. Its like u become scientists with hatd work and now making bombs to kill people just like nazi scientists. They did their study and tests rightly but used that knowledgeand power for wrong cause.@@AGHRAJITBISWAS
Ramayana and gita were made to provide philosophical backing(justifying caste system) to manusmriti (caste rule)
Problem is in understanding the basic truth on Varna that its not based on Birth:
Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. why don't we first understand what is truth and then talk?
@@vnktkrnmany sanskaras are different for different varnas, for example the age of upanayan. How can someone decide guna and karma before education itself, atleast karma. Most importantly, it is practiced ONLY by birth in society. So no point of looking what is written somewhere.
@@pratapkumarmahato4464 if you don't have knowledge on true shastras better you don't comment. i have given the reference of the shastras clearly, read again. what people follow according to their own need is not truth.
@@vnktkrn In Gita itself, Krishna once said Arjun as 'avijaat', which means high birth. Also who will decide the Varna if not birth. Quality is not a discrete property
@@vnktkrn and you are no one to decide who can comment. Language itself is a derivative thing. Truth can't be incomplete and if shastras are truth what is the need of reading other books or even commentries. Does that mean true shastras are less effective and powerful than commentries? Adi Shankaracharya himself said I am Shiv and not Shastra. Shiv alone is truth. All the shastras are same as a stone or a tree, just mithyaa.
Rama vs Ambedkar. And Ambedkar wins.
Haha ambedkar loudekar is shit infront of ram
Ram was jatiwadi person
Your answer is wrong
Sambuka was killed for wanting to go to heaven with the body, NOT for doing penance while being a sudra
what' wrong in that?
Wrong justification. If Rama did everything in old Yuga, why are we still following and hailing him now ? There must be more for killing Shambhuka not because he is sudra. Please research.
Completely wrong presentation. If that were the rule, Shabari, who was also shudra strI, and Sri Rama blessed her. Note - it is not - even though she did tapas, but it is - for the merits she earned doing tapas.
Shanti story is a later addition
All is wrong. Rama wrong human, not God. Killer of dalit, deer.....
Tell this nonsense in your missionary churches, Rama is a incarnation of Lord Vishnu in human and he didn't killed dalit he killed Shambhu ka because he is doing
tapasya God hood also keep this in mind that Rama also killed Ravana who was Brahmin
Killing is a sin.. ram was a sinner
At this phase IIT will be falling below already below top 200 range in worldwide.
Occum's Razor : If something is explainable in simplest terms it’s probably true. 😂 But if not.. you guess.
Yes I guessed. It's a shit .😂
🚩🚩🚩I think you are referring to BUddhist sanatan dharma as its only and original sanatan which came with philosophy of change is the constant...On other hand brahaman santan dharma is very orthodox and robbed dharma which cant tolerate even single change in dharmik thought thing...
This is the current scenario of IIT MADRAS 👍🏻
RIP Rationality and Common sense 💐
Still ranked in top 3 institutes of India.
@@Akash-tl6rm All credits goes to Nehruji 👍🏻
@@sreeparthan BS, building institutes like IIT, AIIMS, Steel plants etc are minimum expectations from a rational progressive person as PM. It wouldn't have been different if remotest possibilites of Constituent assembly are considered to Prime Ministership.
Nehru's blunders and traitorous criminal negligence along with apathy to forces and nepotism far outweighs all other policies.
To say that if we had no Nehru, we won't be having IITs today is as moronic as saying that if we had no Delhousie, we won't be having railways.
@@Akash-tl6rm it's called Nation building.
Manuvadis won't accept it 👍🏻 They know only selling off nation's treasures 💐
@@sreeparthan HAha..🤣🤣🤣🤣 how pathetic to see a nutba@g resorting to labelling, name calling, dubious generalizations when no logical argument is possible. Writings to Brigadier JP Dalvi substantiated with accounts of people like S. Radhakrishnan alone is enough to understand the traitorous nepotism of Nehru who favoured irresolute inexperienced Brijmohan Kaul jeopardising the Army.
Causing the disintegration of Kashmir by going for a ceasefire, and having an extra-marital relation with Edwina Mountbatten compromising India's interests should be the Nehruvian way of 'nation building' according to you LMFAO.. go and repair your truncated brain.🤢🤢 I have seen many schmucks like you, to whom logic and facts make no sense.
Story of shambuk vadh is not correct rather it's contradictory. Ram respected shabari, Nishad Raj all his servants in the palace how can he punish a person who try himself something. Further all this Story of shambuk vadh and Sita nishkashan are added later in the Ramayan
Yes. While I am not sure(not that I question, but just that its my ignorance) Shambhuka vada is part of Valmiki Ramayana, but it is very clear that Sita nishkashan is definitely part of Valmiki Ramayana. But both were not discrimination. To quote the same Dushyant's answer to this question in a tamil channel, Shambhuka vada was not discrimination against shudras. Because if it were the valmiki, who was a contemporary of rama, who wrote ramayana after sita was abandoned in his hermitage as a pregnant woman, was a shudras and he did penance at the behest of narada who did at the blessings of brahma and shiva told valmiki to do so, it clearly shows there were no discrimination. one may claim that rama might have exempted valmiki either because he wrote his biography or perhaps because of his after-thought or guilty consciousness due to killing of shambhuka. But why would divine muni and Gods ordain to reverse what was their beloved regression? Yes certain varnas have dos and donts but there has always been exemptions when the scenario was greater good or betterment of oneself. Dharmavyaadha was an exponent of spiritual teaching, at whose door steps everyone including rishis, munis, brahmins included all 4 varna people waited to learn from, was a shudras - a butcher. Shambhuka's crossing the yellow line act ie doing penance against his varna ordinance was for a selfish goal ie to go to heaven with his own body, which is against nature. Valmik's penance was for enlightenment so it was acceptable. Shashtras, while giving dos and donts have also given exemptions as well. Similarly, while as an individual, that too a pregnant lady, her abandonment was wrong done to the individual, sita's abandonment was done as per the rules of larger society. This shows, unlike the present days, people at power had more and stringent restrictions. Because while one set of society were raising doubts other set of society was critical of decision citing her condition. This means, in society, this kind of abandonment was not general norm but was special norm for people in power.
Please don't be in confusion, first make sure
Yourself
Yes....
Yes as long as they are serving him , there is no problem . Why dosent he ever pay them
If god does means it have to be followed .So u cant say we couldnt accept it blindly.So your explanation is not good.The contraversy still exist by the explanation u have given.
If I remember correctly Janaka was a tremendous wisdom Ruler but his kingdom suffered from draughts. And here you are saying if the ruler is great that even rains come on time
That is why janaki came to this earth. Janaka never said that I am not responsible but even took the responsibility. SrimadBhagvatGita says that Janaka followed his Raja Dharma and attained salvation.
One thing which we should keep in mind is, logic is built by giving some examples and logic may not be factual or real in all cases. So his examples only supports his logic.
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IIT is institution of rote learners and casteism is fundamental to them...
Boss you have not read ramayan, the previous chapters of Ramayan follow a different vedic sahitya where as the last uttarakanda follows modern style.Uttarakanda is not part of original Sanskrit Ramayana , so many scholars do not treat it as authentic.
This is not about the era,this is humanity which can come at any time,the logic is biased😂😂😂
Exactly, wonder why other caste live in such horrible question
First of all I would like to remember that real story of *Lord Rama* is written by *Mahrishi Valmiki* , all the rest book is only opinions.
Everyone knows that the *uttarkand* of Valmiki Ramayana was not part of original Ramayana written by *Mahrishi Valmiki* .The uttarkand was mischieviously added by any person for fulfilling his own intentions. Anyone can conclude this after reading last chapter (sarg) of yuddhakand of Valmiki Ramayana.
So if anyone really want to know something about Lord Rama, he or she must only and only study the *authentic Ramayana written by Mahrishi Valmiki only* .
Part where lord kills shambuk is part of valmiki ramayana.
Ramayan is a myth . But that story was used to oppress the lower castes for 2500 years
It is......but there is a prefix before the name Shambook in the concerned mentioned in Ramayan and that is "khota" ie 'mischievous' ...the mention of his 'motive behind penance' was ostensibly horribly mischievous.... and that was that "he wanted to go to haven along with his mortal body....mind it, that this was not even allowed to any God to do so.
@@akkid1902its not part of the original body of Valmiki Ramayana
who could have inserted this part in Ramayan.Because shudras were not literate. Only a Brahmin could have added because kshatriyas and vaisyas were just obeying the brahmins.
If there is any religion that praises crime, it is Arya religion
By murdering Shambuk- was murder of an innocent and unarmed person- justified by ANY standards of humanity and a civilised person ? Sir Valmiki has shown Ram as a very ordinary person with all human weaknesses like killing Vali by deception by hiding behind a tree- FANATIC Hindus will justify this mean act. Blind belief means MADNESS. Why is Ramayan not included in the history books of schools or ANY other history book ? Is Ram any Ramayan such a worthless topic in Indian history ? Are Akbar , Ghazni , Babur more important than Ram ? Answer this yourself.
Similarly we should not take values from Ram because he practiced those values according to the TENET.
Either this man himself doesn't know Dharma or he is crazy. Shabri's story goes above and beyond this Shudra stuff. Either this uttarakand is maleficently added or there is a dharmic reason for it.
A god cannot be enslaved by Manu's rules nor can he not uplift a broken society norms for dharmic reasons. Krishna is the prime eg. he says ye ev dharma sau dharma deshkal pratishtitha adanama nritam himsa tasmo sthanam smitha smrita. Dharma changes based on situation and time it cannot be the socitiel norms. Something known as dharma can be dharma based on that situation and time. Only thing is explanation and reasoning must clear.
Traditional Brahmins are like that only. They themselves are afraid to speak against outdated "Shastras" or challenge them in any ways. Otherwise they will be expelled from their caste together with all their descendants. And even if their descendants wanted to return (aka perform "Ghar Wapsi") they cannot return as Brahmins but only as Shudras or even Chandalas. So naturally he's too scared to criticise anything and is just working hard to make unreasonable stuff sound a little "reasonable". LFMAO
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The problem is we are not telling the basic truth on Varna that its not based on Birth:
Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. as per ramayana(u.k) Shambuka was doing thapas by hanging upside down of the tree without clear good goal without following proper rules.
If Rama did this as per the rules of somebody, then he is no more God not even a role model for any mankind to follow. If he were to live after India's independence, then as per our constitution he should be in prison for killing a person based on caste.. how come a god blindly follow someone's instructions??
How come a god kills his devotees?
What happened to people to blindly believe all these things ?
Today i got shocked to come accross this story which happened in the history. How is rama different from a normal human being when he exactly acts like a man without any humanity
Early tells you that you haven't read the Ramayan properly once go and read the Ramayan properly Mr Dilip Kumar , Lord Rama has killed Shambhu ka because penance to get god status with live form which is wrong and also you should know that same Lord Ram also killed Ravana Brahma who was a Brahmin , you should know that he is the man with humanity
He is twisting is answering and confusing ther lady by convincing that was right from time point of view of rama. Till today Brahmins are against humanity the want earn by begging arms inside temple. And stil assume hogh postion. They ask other outside temple not to beg.
Simpla answer to you lady. Bramhin use Kshtriya administrator to protect their reservation and keep others by punishing him till today if a brahmin is at high administration he will create hell pf rules and regulations , but you will fail to attain it but promotion will be granted only of his brahmin caste or a gulam catse.
I agree that one shud not judge old days with lens of our times, but then dont idealize people or kings of those times. Like the way certain people are idealizing Rama now a days. Rama is just another king of a epic story who has shown all types human behavior. Because of such idealizations, the core of the story is lost. Valmiki didnt write a story to bring a new god to earth, but he wrote an epic on a man (may be lived 3000 years before Valmiki, or may be a fiction), with all sort of emotions. But now for political, religious and castes benefits, people started idealizing him. Worst case, one democratic country's leader is the first among them
Is it Sanathana dharma has given flexibility to eat which ever animal you want????
AS per Mahatmas , first not in Valmiki Ramayan , As nobody allowed to go to swarga permanently with human body hence such penance was not going to yield desired result to shambhuka but also causing bad results to that yuga soceity . While Shambhuka complete's to inform Srirama his desire & reason of penance. Sri Rama instantly kills him & thus grants the boon of swarga life with Astral body . It was never a question of him being a sudhra/dalit or not a sudhra/Dalit, such penance with that desire was considered to have caused bad effects to that soceity at that time
Why ravan was not stopped when he was performing penance, for the All-knowing God giving boon knew he had bad motive & intentions, he too had bad desires & motives; yet he wasn't killed, instead he was granted the asked boon.
Karna was thought to be soot putra. Why was Karna treated badly if there was no varna discrimination, as some people claim?
@@devanshxvii My suggestion is, better to read the book to get the facts.
@@pradeepds606 I have read, dear. The answers are troubling.
@@devanshxviivalid question
The development of the modern world is at the cost of very planet and billions of billions living beings and humanity may ask is the very development is necessary?
I believe the reason Ram killed Shambhuka was not because he was Shudra but because he wanted to take his body to Swarga, which is against nature.
only brahmin can take their body to swarga right?
@@vetrugrahavasi5404 Which Brahmin that you know took his body to heaven?
@@ramabapatRavan Ke Baare Mai sune the Swarg ke liye Sidhi bnawa rha tha... Hihihi... Mai kru to saaala character dhila 😂😂... My friend we both are first human and part of same family...so respect each other otherwise firse Ghaznwi Aayega aur Somnath ko lutega...Situation are getting woarst nd woarst day by day so, plzs respct and accpt all the people of santan dharma equally otherwise... As Bhagwan krishn said in bhagwat gita"jab jab is duniya mai adharm badega mai aaunga"
The question whether Uttara Kanda was in the original or it was added later is immaterial. The question whether the whole Ramayan or part of it (viz. Uttara Kanda) were real happenings or man-written stories is also immaterial. Dushyanth’s suggestion not to look at this Shambuka incident (or even anything else in the itikasas that are objectionable in today’s context) with today’s lenses is a vain attempt to save what he tries to save. The unjust things don’t survive through times. The dharma, on what Rama did that act, was actually adharma and hence it(manu or whatever crooked he was) couldn’t survive. All the religions have evolved and are evolving through, by scraping all the inhuman and unrighteous things it had before and this will continue as long as necessary.
I agree with Dushyant when he says that , we shouldn't look at that incident based on today's lens , or modernist urbanized americanised commu inst type perspective!
What Rama did was Dharmik ( Dharmik righteousness is not according to your modernist perspective based on simplistic thinking but based on Tapasya which is Hindu practice) ,
It would be very difficult for a modernist to understand what manu said !
Even if you put things into categories like good things vs inhuman unrighteous things ,
The fact of the matter is that even those things which would be considered as good , or manageable by modernist, he won't be able to sacrifice his modernist lifestyle to practice those good things also ! Like meditation yoga tapasya etc !
@@thunderbolt4796 In short, what you say is "huh you don't know. huh.. you can't understand this". This is the only and easiest answer you could give. No worries. Time will answer and people will slowly understand (not what you simply believe and love to believe in the name of religion and ancestral pride but, otherwise).
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I am not answering, justifying anything! I only described what's your point of view what's your logic and where does that come from ,
And we refuse to accept that framework,
Which is nothing but urbanized modernist framework!
You have mistaken my reply as some kind of an attempt to convince into believing in what I believe!
You should understand my comment as an attempt to show you that we Know what's your logic is , and we are never going to accept it as we have our own framework and logic !
So no matter how many times you use words like "unjust" "inhuman" , it's not going to have any impact on us ,
I even discarded this word "re ligion"!
We don't accept you (or your likes) as some kind of Supreme authority and We are supposed to answer you or something NOPE
@@thunderbolt4796 Yes, you are right. You will not change, I know and I can sense it, but the generations to come will, slowly of course. You can already witness this by looking at your grandchildren. All the best.
There were nearly over 120 uttarakanda writings found all over india nd nepal.only 5 mention of shambuk vada.instead of leaving of story of shambuk as incorrect,geeta press printed it.hindus being shameless society accepted it without reading.ram would have killed valmiki if he was against lower varna people doing tapasya.
Shambuka was a sc st,so he was killed
Good work rama 😂
you are wrong. fact is 4 varnas are NOT based on birth:
Bhagavad Gita 4.13: The group of the four Varnas/castes: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra, has been formed based on the division of Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions). The vedic original Varna if any where mentioned like Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra its based on Guna(qualities) and Karma (actions) only but NOT based on birth. But some greedy people hided the truth and started following wrongly using birth. as per ramayana Shambuka was doing thapas by hanging upside down of the tree without clear good goal without following proper rules.
Shame on you
😂😂 that's why to follow faith and to follow God are different. Your thoughts are generator of your action. Your actions are generator of your livelihood. Thus congratulations for accumulation of bad karma.
@@Kbiz178 because of bad karma, buddha died like a insect?
@@vnktkrn which guna and qualities made kauravas and pandavas 105 kshetriyas? U said varna wasn't birthright
Why did they fought for throne or mia khalifa?
They're all kshetriya
Hindu religion : "You show the face and I'll show you the rule" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If so my lord Ram can never be wrong. Shambuka asked moksha and Lord Ram gave shambuka moksha by beheading him. Lord Ram responded to the Thapas of Shambuka. He also respected the sages and Manu sasthra by doing so.
Yeah, Shambuka really needed a beheading to attain moksha. That's how moksha is given for shudras. Had it been a brahmin however, he could have simply walked into heaven.
Imagine preaching these fairy tale bs infront of some of the brightest minds in the country! 🤡
Well said@@JasonMomos
Shambuka means one who wanted to be shambu (shiva) . A asura named janga got a boon from Parvathi to live for one Kalpa and started performing the tapas to marry Parvathi herself (becoming shambu) . Idiot like Dushyant are dangerous than shambuka for sanathana dharma
And the flexibility comes from Manu smriti and end's at Manu smriti and all the Harsh and cruel rules are written only for surdas
the way he justifies the action is the similar way they should justify reservation.....
he shouldn't be a hypocrite
Verry good dibet.....
Any company or country has so flexible law will be in danger.. every system should have strict laws.. applies to relegion as well
Uttara-Kanda was not added, it is a legitimate portion of the Ramayana. Sri Madhvāchārya has commented on it in his Mahābhārata Tātparya Nirnaya.
Regarding this incident, Shambhuka was doing penance to attain Rudra Padavi, which he was not eligible for. This is the actual reason behind Rama’s justice.
Why he was not eligible for......?
@@Happysugarlife090 uska adhar pancard se link nahi tha that's why
Is there is such rule for low caste y anyone would want to stay in hindu..
Shambhuka episode and also Ram leaving Sita in the forest are episodes not there in Valmiki Ramayan. These are thus not taken seriously as there are later added in Tulsi's Ramcaritmanas by questionable people and go against nature of Lord Rama.
Sri dushyant missed many valid reasons, and ended up saying its just the rules that Bhagavan Rama had to follow at that time, which is not the main reason.
bhagavan did not kill him bcoz he was shudhra by varna.
there were many bad nimittas (indications or happenings) at that time. one young boy mysteriously died without any reason. the father of that boy came to bhagavan Rama and said that this akaala mrutyu (untimely death) is due to some serious adharma that is happening in his kingdom.
So bhagavan went around his kingdom in pushpaka vimana. He happened to see shambhuka hanging upside down from a tree doing penance.
bhagavan saw that, and then he killed him.
now a question will come, why not leave him, if he was doing some penance, why should be kill him for that? seems to be a valid reason, isnt it?
now, shambhuka had already obtained a boon from divine mother Uma, that he wud live for a long time/ one kalpa period, which is basically 1000 chatur yogas.
sri madhwacharya in mahabharata tatparya nirnaya grantha, says about shambhuka that he was an asura and he got this boon from Mother Uma to live for a kalpa kaala.
why he asked for this boon? bcoz he wanted to do penance to go to swarga loka (heaven) with this human body and to get the position of sri Indra with this shareera / body.
he also wanted to rule over the Indra loka. we cant go to other lokas with this human body.
his penance was also to go to kailasa (shiva loka) and to lord over there.
these were against natural laws of divine and there were bad intentions...the goal of his tapas was wrong.
hence, bhagavan raama killed him. and after killing shambhuka , that teenage boy came back to life and devas offered flowers (pushpa vrishti) on bhagavan.
bhagavan was so loving towards sabhari, guha (who were of shudhra varna), and he killed ravana, who was a brahamana & also killed thadaka, who was a asuric female.
bhagavan rama protected the righteous and punished evil forces.
if some one secretly does some nuclear bomb testing / some anti social activities or some illegal activities in a secret area or a forest, will the govt allow that? will such people not be punished or executed?
the same approach here too.
hence, bhagavan rama executed shambhuka for the above mentioned reasons.
It is all utter crap and you just trying to justify a purely evil crime described in that book. What wrong the mother and her five children did for Bheem to burn them to death while they were sleeping, so that Duryodhan and friends would think it was Pandavas. The main reason of worry of Arjuna in Bagavat Geetha is people may not follow the cast system and that may lead to anarchy. If someone not following cast system is considered as grave sin in these so called itihasas regardless someone added this later or not. Balaram killed sage Vyasas servant for not showing his inferiority in front of him and later realised the servant was asked to take Vyasas place and he was giving the lecture for him hence he hesitated to bow before him. Only Brahmins were treated like humans and any crime against lower caste had no implications. Unfortunately this was the case until 19th century.
@@arunchemparathy199Buddy ..you and me are discussing here because of sacrifice from several mothers who have sent their children to fight for nation and safeguard us..similar things in these stories as well. Don't miss forest for a tree..see from a larger perspective.
@@chandrashekarh.m.3576 I fully agree with you regarding the sacrifice of our nation’s heroes even though I don’t understand how it is related to my above comment. I was commenting about so called scholars struggling to justify innocent people being killed by the heroes in the Ithihasa. That gentleman who is giving the lecture gave much better reasoning than the original comment that I replied my first comment. It was normal at that time but it is a grave sin now. Humanity evolved to accept all vargas and jaathis are equal even though some religious fanatics still standing at the prehistoric time.All the ithihaasas and holy books will be judged with test of times and there will be some ideas and practices that will not carry over to future generations. Some people try to justify the evil practices of those times by auger coating with some strange moral justifications because of their religious sensitivities.
@@arunchemparathy199 that mother sacrificed her kids to save pandavas..so that they can go and fight against duryodhana's injustice thereby saving many lives..so called intellectuals try to find fault in puranas and ignore the implied meaning in stories..
@@chandrashekarh.m.3576 how did the tribal mother came to know about Duryodhanas plan. From what I read , she visited Kunti and Pandavas and since it was too late to return to jungle, decided to stay in the palace. Bheema realized this an opportunity and executed his plan.
Any one know what is differenec b/w shardha and visvas🎉
Don't argue.... You......... Bhramin. You can't dare to follow manu.
Before speaking about the Manu please keep this in mind that Verna is not a birthplace it is occupation based and also a person even he is a shudra he can become Brahmin with his merit
In the first place, the style of uttarakanda is quite different from the rest of the Ramayana. One can see two style markers in Valmiki. One is abundant use of similes. The second one is that any description Valmiki renders is quite eloborate. These two style markers are not present in the Uttarakanda.
In the second place, In ancient times varna is a personal choice. The term 'varna' means choice. the root is var- meaning to choose. Even in Avestha this terms occurs in the meaning 'to choose'. If sambooka wanted to perform penance, he should have taken to Brahmana varna, or Kshatriya varna or Vaisya varna. That option is available for everybody. having opted to sudra varna, or having been born in sudra varna and without changing his varna by exercising the option, performing penance is against varna-astrama-dharma.
you said varna were choice and you think there were people who wish to live a life of untouchable ?
You mean that one must change from shudra to brahman ,kshatriya or vaishya to perform a penance ?? Please clarify sir..your answers satisfied me more that his.
@@rajendrachoudhary7098i dont think shudras were untouchable then ..
@@aparnarao7227 The narration of Sabri in the Ramayana explains that during that time, it was portrayed that Sudras were considered untouchable
@@rajendrachoudhary7098 but it is false argument...there were no caste system during that era..from my knowledge i can say that it is not mentioned about shabri being discriminated bcz of cast in valmiki ramayan .. There is not a SINGLE SHLOK about it in Valmiki Ramayan,it was all imagination by Tulsidas Ji because at that time caste system was prevailing so maybe to show that even Ram ate Dalit’s berries,all of us also should live together,he wrote it.
Maryadhapurushothaman was a casteist and a misogynist. Don't shove the Rama Rajya and teach maryadha based on him in the current era. We live in a democracy and do not turn India to a monarchy with such sensibilities.
Tulsidas was also used derogatory language for ladies and dalits
Shri Ram killed Ravan who was a Brahman but no issue here, why? Because we all know Ravan was wrong. Similarly Shambhuk was wrong as his Tapa was to go to heaven with body and defeat Indra to control Swarg. This is called Tamas Tapa. If Tapa ends into destroying someone, how can anyone in right mind support Shambhuk or Tadka or Ravan? One more thing which is cleverly hidden here is, what happened after Shambhuk vadh, all those children who were dead, got their life back.
If b.r ambedkar was not present at the time of making of constitution 😂😂😂😂
Bn rau could have revised his version. Also its mahatma gandhiji who suggested amabedkar for this work and made him law ministet believing his abilities
Justifying a killing buddy?
can anyone tell was manusmriti introduced before ramayana?
Yeah, Shree Rama quotes Manusmriti while he justifies to Bali why he killed Him
And now I have to believe he is god
That's why we against Ram sanathanam
Vah IITians
अगर उत्तरकांड रामायण का हिस्सा नहीं है
और बाद में जोड़ा गया है तो
राम के बचाव में तर्क क्यों दिया जा रहा है
सीधे सीधे मिलावटी कह कर नकार क्यों नहीं देते
Valmiki Ramayana is true that tells Dambook killing
You are wrong, there was no infant mortality, one child of Brahman died and the poor Shambu was murdered for persuing knowledge.
LoL wut directly 5 children are mentioned, 1 brahmin, 1 kshtriya, 1 vayshaya and 2 shudra but this doesn't dispel the possibility that other kids were also not sacrificed so that sambhuka could goto heaven in his mortal body
@@afinn7771 bro.. do you have any evidence for that?
@@aguyfrom_hyd7607 first give your evidence that only Brahmin child died.
@@aguyfrom_hyd7607 it's wrote by valmiki in ramayan u don't believe ramayan?
Waqf board rule created by Congress Party.
And by the way anything which is against Sanatana Dharma is is wrong, then why to give temple places to Waqf Board.
If Sanatana Dharma gave such liberty then as soon as muslim invaders attacked India and find opportunity to raise victim card for Dalits and convert them, The Brahmins then have to struck down caste system because it gives such liberty to do so.
There were so many daityas who performed penance of Shiva and Brahma, Rama never felt to kill those daityas but because Shambuk was a shudra, Rama didnt feel shame to kill a already oppressed shudra
Bcz daityas are either kshatriya or brahmin.
See, Lord Rāma did not kill Shambuka for performing penance. He killed him because the intention of his penance was wrong and to conquer over the heavens.
Secondly, Lord Rāma killed so many demons and daityas. Read Ramayana, you would know. Lord Rāma is also known as Daitya-Vansh-Nikandanam, which means destroyer of the Daitya vansh or demons.
@@umeshkashyap6070 what kind of God kill the innocent man for performing dyanam for his goals
Ravan is 100% better than chutiya ram
Rama killed Brahmins and Kshatriyas. So according to your logic, Kshatriyas and Brahmins were oppressed as well.
Please read old valmeek ramayana Hindi and telugu also
This "Pattanaamam man" is lying or liar
Thiruvalluvar said
தெய்வம் தொழாஅள் கொழுநன் தொழுதெழுவாள் பெய்யெனப் பெய்யும் மழை. Meaning: Even rains fall at the command of the wife Who upon rising worships not God, but her husband.(This particular poetry was criticized by rationalists as portraying women as slaves)
Thiruvalluvar is against "Varna Dharma" which is Hierarchical or graded inequality by birth. Thiruvalluvar said "அறம்" That is something like Morality, uprightness, rights and wrongs, upstandingness but that's not varnasrama dharma.
பிறப்பொக்கும் எல்லா உயிர்க்கும் சிறப்பொவ்வா
செய்தொழில் வேற்றுமை யான். Meaning: By birth all men are equal. Differences in their action Render their worth unequal.
Background of the Story:
The reign of Lord Rama is known as Rama Rajya. It is believed to be the best rule in human history. In it, the people of all Varnas followed their duties assiduously. There was no untimely death of any citizen. All the people were happy and satisfied. No one died of hunger or disease. People used to have a long lifespan. Therefore, when a Brahmin’s 14-year-old son died(not new borns dying or Maternal Mortality Ratio -MMR) it was a shock for everyone.
“O Ascetic, I am Rama, the son of Dasharatha. Are you a Brahmin or an invincible Kshatriya? Are you a Vaishya, one of the third caste, or are you a Shudra? Answer me truthfully!”
The ascetic replied, “O highly illustrious Rama, I am born in the race of Shudras; Having said this, Lord Rama took out of scabbard a beautiful sharp sword and chopped off his head. And that Shudra being slain, Indra, Agni, and other celestials praised him again and again and showered flowers.Background of the Story:
The reign of Lord Rama is known as Rama Rajya. It is believed to be the best rule in human history. In it, the people of all Varnas followed their duties assiduously. There was no untimely death of any citizen. All the people were happy and satisfied. No one died of hunger or disease. People used to have a long lifespan. Therefore, when a Brahmin’s 14-year-old son died(not , it was a shock for everyone.
“O Ascetic, I am Rama, the son of Dasharatha. Are you a Brahmin or an invincible Kshatriya? Are you a Vaishya, one of the third caste, or are you a Shudra? Answer me truthfully!”
The ascetic replied, “O highly illustrious Rama, I am born in the race of Shudras; Having said this, Lord Rama took out of scabbard a beautiful sharp sword and chopped off his head. And that Shudra being slain, Indra, Agni, and other celestials praised him again and again and showered flowers.
The answer is very simple.
Don't beat around the bush.
Rama killed shambuka just because he was a lower cast hindu performing penance.
This is the beauty of Hinduism.
Just get out of it and live like a human.
You cannot expect respect as a lower cast hindhu.
Conert to another religion. Otherwise, your next generation and after that generation will remain the same.
Cast system will remain till the end of Hinduism.
The only solution is "just get out of Hindu"
Choise is yours.
कितना बोलना पड़ रहा है एक गलत बात को दबाने के लिए
एक निहत्थे इंसान को जो तपस्या कर रहा है भगवान का नाम ले रहा है
क्या उसका कत्ल कर देना सही है
एक राक्षस तपस्या कर सकता है शूद्र नहीं
क्या यही राम राज्य है ?
This is what I have heard in child hood. Shabmhuka was doing penance to not attain Liberation or Enlightenment. It is believed that he want to attain ASTHA+KARMA ( Occult powers to dominated people) and trying on children and poor people.
Any reference for this in ramayana that he was doing occult?
@@pradeepds606it is clearly mentioned in Uttarakhand
just excuses to justify killing of shambook
Should राम be followed today
Waste
Was Rama Idiot or God?
Bad explanation... He is only focusing on the time factor of events, that too absolutely nonsense. One cannot choose to follow some aspects and leave some on his whims. This is the worst kind of suggestion. It must be done under the guidance of Guru. Besides it seems the speaker himself doesn't understand the nuances of the story. The sin Shambuk did was that he was trying to break and disobey the rules of nature of trying to go to heaven in the mortal body itself. Thus by speaker's logic today since SC has absolved women from punishment of adultery so there is no sin to it. One can choose accordingly. What the hell?!!
Nowdays rama is god and before as well as per hindu people and how god can killed just as discrimination . God looking everybody is equal why rama never think thought about this if he is god ?
We can not trust urrara ramayana was not part of Valmiki Ramayana!!
Prophet went to heaven on a winged donkey or mule is very true 🥱