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Agreed. It reminds me of that famous passage in the Socrates _Apology_ when he described poets as sort of ‘soothsayers’ & ‘diviners’ who call upon ideas and patterns that go beyond the poet’s normal levels of explanatory power, yet the poet can still ‘embody’ or capture what they are channeling through the poetically arranged words.
A few of his ideas are fairly good as a sort of caricature of modern “culture” which American Psycho and Glamorama do fairly well but shit like Less Than Zero, Imperial Bedrooms and The Informers are an example of his original First-Person Cookiecutter style consisting of loosely connected dialogue and monologue heavy scenes that get repetitive quickly.
Charlie blew the question about why Bret is big in Europe by not letting him go where he was going to go with it - Bret is big in Europe for the same reason Bukowski was - they both said the American Dream is a nightmare run by psychos.
Such a genious and a smart man … the books i have read were amazing and any movie with his name on and an 80s soundtrack are fantastic … his whole input along with an 80s soundtrack in a movie is what a would class as pure perfection sound and vision
I wish they'd make this a damn movie or show already! It was supposed to be a film after the rules of attraction came out. But it never got finished or something 😢
I love this interview...he's got a David Foster Wallace-esq vocabulary and speaking sense. It's interesting to note that this upbeat, splendid character writes such dark and introspective novels, with American Psycho being the ultimate example. As a sort of amateur writer, I love these dichotomies in authors...
Just finished Glamorama last night. I haven't done a video in a while, have kind of given up on my channel, but I'm seriously thinking of doing a Glamorama review. Short take: definitely worth reading. It seems to me the first 150 pages or so could've been halved and we wouldn't have lost anything, but then it gets really interesting. I almost feel, crazy as it sounds, like Ellis included the earlier parts to sort of cast off any lookie-loos or casual readers. Like, you don't get this TRUTH without enduring some stuff first, haha. I know that can't really be the case, but, damn, does it seem that way. I'm pretty sure a LOT of people got 80 pages in, said "is this seriously all this book is" and put it down. But they missed out. It's an insane, haunting ride. I have a lot of thoughts about it. Like I said, I literally just finished it last night, it's all still settling in my head. But Victor is a character that will stay with you, as are Bobby, Jamie, Lauren, and poor poor Chloe. I have to let it rest a bit before I can really consider it all, but it's absolutely worth reading. Trust me, you'll want to give up 80, 100 pages in, but don't.
Can you imagine anyone caring about a book that much again? That any chatty talk show will have an author on 'cause he wrote a shocking book? But it's fine that Ellis didn't back up American Psycho because it still stands and it's still a solid book and people are still studying it.
I don't think it would be published in these times. They won't even publish Milo Minnopoulous books and all he does is flint and act sarcastic. It's very hard for writers to push the boundaries without risk of censorship.
It's become a part of our culture. Our common language. When someone mentions "A Patrick Bateman type" we all know exactly what that means. It's really amazing, because I was around when that book came out, and it was buried.
No, his sexual preferences are irrelevant. This was 8 months ago, and I don't remember exactly what I was reacting to. But I will listen again to see and get back to you. @@theSupercasa
It's that he is very clear-eyed, almost aggressively honest, in his reflection on himself. And balanced, accepting the bad with the good. Not apologizing for the bad. Not sentimentalizing anything. And he is confident and comfortable with that honesty. And he speaks with a chest voice, unlike Millennial males, who tend to speak with head voices. It's a very '80s male persona. @@theSupercasa
He lives down the street from ME! South of Sunset, poor chap. I'm up on Blue Jay Way. Hard for writers to live above Sunset but still, brilliant. What a stalwart of the West Hollywood glitterati. X Jackie
I read it at lunch in middle school and the teachers who do lunch duty don't have any problem with it. I read Rules of Attraction, Less Than Zero, and American Psycho during my free time at school as well.
so it’s 4:36 am and i’m watching bret easton ellis early interview as soon as i could not get rid of circulating thoughts like Disappear Hear in my head after reading his books few years ago. love how intelligent and interesting this person is. he is truly something and very underrating
I'm a huge fan of every other book he's written, but this book is the worst book I've ever read...in my whole life. I'm not exaggerating. How the FUCK someone can write something this bad when I know what he's capable of is completely beyond me. Spare me, baby.
It's not all that surprising. Bret struggles with a need to re-write and self edit. He does outlines, with a lot of detail, before actually doing a first draft. I heard him say recently that he spent a year on an outline.
@@glenfahselt8378 Well the fact that he spent 5 years writing it is some further confirmation to me that it's a quality piece of literature. If I put 20 books on my bookshelf as " quality prosaic works " then Glamorama would be one of them, along with other 'notable standalone' works, a bit like a " hit song " from an artist which created 99 bad songs, with 1 really good hit song. Other works in that category include " The Girl Who Played Go ", " Ender's Game ". Where the author created 1 masterpiece (only). I wouldn't call " American Psycho " a masterpiece, as many people can't even finish the book when it derails into the category of 'vivid gore', like: " I was walking down a dark alley... suddenly a saw a homeless man with a dog, I pulled out my knife and embarked on a mission to strangulate the homeless man's neck with the dog's intestines ".. it's like ok what is this..? Yet the book turned into a famous Hollywood movie in which he probably made millions from the BluRay sales alone. Glamorama, much like the other 2 I just mentioned, have the quality of being 'deep & fascinating', like: " I just read this book for 48 hours straight, wow, that was great. ", that type of immersion is possible in these 3. Like: " Thanks so much for lending me that book, best book I ever read //quote from 2002 & 2003 ".
@@Xenon777channel Sure, Glamorama's his best book, but he's certainly not like a one-hit music wonder. He hasn't written a bad book, and his first four are all great. Btw, authors almost always get a one-time up-front payment for movie adaptations; he didn't make anything extra on the video sales.
@@williambartholmey5946 Thank you for the extra info. So Glamorama is his best book as some sort of accepted fact amongst people which have read all of his books, or just your personal opinion? And yes I agree that he isn't a " One hit wonder " as with many authors & music composers.
Who is this comment aimed at? And Harris is an average author who writes plain paperback thrillers they sell at airport bookstores to quickly digest during a flight, one or two of which made for better movie(s) than the damn book. The only reason anyone remembers Harris' books is because of the popularity of the movie version of SOTL. Ellis became an overnight literary celebrity while still in college when he wrote what became arguably the coming-of-age novel of the 80's (Less Than Zero), and later a satire that drew intense reactions, still holds up today, and pushed the boundaries of expression (A.P.).
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He's way more open and straight-up in this interview than in any other I've seen
It's because of Charlie rose
You're right, much more than he is in his podcasts!
@@tcrijwanachoudhury stop spamming lady
@@alexj.denton7453 Charlie Rose is a very gifted interviewer. Too bad all the harassment stuff happened.
Bret Easton Ellis is the kind of guy who writes things that are smarter and deeper than he rationally realizes. That's why he is so fascinating to me.
HAHAHA HAHAHAAAAAAAAAA
I think he entirely realizes how smart it is
It's always a JOY reading BEE.
Agreed. It reminds me of that famous passage in the Socrates _Apology_ when he described poets as sort of ‘soothsayers’ & ‘diviners’ who call upon ideas and patterns that go beyond the poet’s normal levels of explanatory power, yet the poet can still ‘embody’ or capture what they are channeling through the poetically arranged words.
A few of his ideas are fairly good as a sort of caricature of modern “culture” which American Psycho and Glamorama do fairly well but shit like Less Than Zero, Imperial Bedrooms and The Informers are an example of his original First-Person Cookiecutter style consisting of loosely connected dialogue and monologue heavy scenes that get repetitive quickly.
I love this man! His writing has meant a lot to me.
Charlie blew the question about why Bret is big in Europe by not letting him go where he was going to go with it - Bret is big in Europe for the same reason Bukowski was - they both said the American Dream is a nightmare run by psychos.
As personable as Charlie Rose was it was definitely a feature of his style to blow questions and get ahead of himself.
Brilliant man and an incredible writer. Too many people take his work at face value because they don't want to think.
Alexandra M
Not much to think about; his work has all the depth of a car park puddle.
@@kelman727 Not really. You just gotta stop being like one of his characters and look past the surface.
is there much to think? I enjoy it all the same.
@@kelman727 does it matter? it's still enjoyable.
Such a genious and a smart man … the books i have read were amazing and any movie with his name on and an 80s soundtrack are fantastic … his whole input along with an 80s soundtrack in a movie is what a would class as pure perfection sound and vision
insightful. Thanks for the upload.
Glamorama:10 page sex-in-the-shower scene; terrorists & spies plus models. celebrity money-bags backstabber culture. fashion designers. copious amounts of drugs. sex. wicked humour. told with a heart of gold ambition...a really cool book
This man is the actual fucking goat I wanna read all his books now
Love this channel so much! Really looking forward to reading "The shards"
6:57 when Patrick Bateman starts to kick in
I wish they'd make this a damn movie or show already! It was supposed to be a film after the rules of attraction came out. But it never got finished or something 😢
Charlie Rose actually seemed like he was genuinely interested in this interview. I got the vibe he's a fan of his books.
I love this interview...he's got a David Foster Wallace-esq vocabulary and speaking sense. It's interesting to note that this upbeat, splendid character writes such dark and introspective novels, with American Psycho being the ultimate example. As a sort of amateur writer, I love these dichotomies in authors...
Just finished Glamorama last night. I haven't done a video in a while, have kind of given up on my channel, but I'm seriously thinking of doing a Glamorama review.
Short take: definitely worth reading. It seems to me the first 150 pages or so could've been halved and we wouldn't have lost anything, but then it gets really interesting.
I almost feel, crazy as it sounds, like Ellis included the earlier parts to sort of cast off any lookie-loos or casual readers. Like, you don't get this TRUTH without enduring some stuff first, haha. I know that can't really be the case, but, damn, does it seem that way. I'm pretty sure a LOT of people got 80 pages in, said "is this seriously all this book is" and put it down.
But they missed out. It's an insane, haunting ride. I have a lot of thoughts about it. Like I said, I literally just finished it last night, it's all still settling in my head. But Victor is a character that will stay with you, as are Bobby, Jamie, Lauren, and poor poor Chloe. I have to let it rest a bit before I can really consider it all, but it's absolutely worth reading. Trust me, you'll want to give up 80, 100 pages in, but don't.
just got to the turn and holy shit
He's mature and not snobbish as he was in his podcast, i do love his podcast though. is it still running? i don't have patreon money.
He’s 34 here? So mature. I thought he was around 45 until he said that!
Can you imagine anyone caring about a book that much again? That any chatty talk show will have an author on 'cause he wrote a shocking book? But it's fine that Ellis didn't back up American Psycho because it still stands and it's still a solid book and people are still studying it.
I don't think it would be published in these times. They won't even publish Milo Minnopoulous books and all he does is flint and act sarcastic.
It's very hard for writers to push the boundaries without risk of censorship.
plz dont compare Bret with that trash. it doesnt make any sense @@willrueb9573
It's become a part of our culture. Our common language. When someone mentions "A Patrick Bateman type" we all know exactly what that means. It's really amazing, because I was around when that book came out, and it was buried.
He's 2-3 years older than I am, and I find his personality refreshing. His personality and attitudes remind me of the way guys were in the '80s.
So…bi?
No, his sexual preferences are irrelevant. This was 8 months ago, and I don't remember exactly what I was reacting to. But I will listen again to see and get back to you. @@theSupercasa
It's that he is very clear-eyed, almost aggressively honest, in his reflection on himself. And balanced, accepting the bad with the good. Not apologizing for the bad. Not sentimentalizing anything. And he is confident and comfortable with that honesty. And he speaks with a chest voice, unlike Millennial males, who tend to speak with head voices. It's a very '80s male persona. @@theSupercasa
He lives down the street from ME! South of Sunset, poor chap. I'm up on Blue Jay Way. Hard for writers to live above Sunset but still, brilliant. What a stalwart of the West Hollywood glitterati. X Jackie
Who ARE you?
The real question is, was Charlie wearing pants during this?
My favorite American novel is Glamorama.
I got suspended in high school while reading this book h
Someone behind read the words out loud snd my teacher sent me to the deans list
That’s sort of ridiculous, lol imagine being in trouble in school for reading?? Is it any wonder if people read at all nowadays. lol
I read it at lunch in middle school and the teachers who do lunch duty don't have any problem with it. I read Rules of Attraction, Less Than Zero, and American Psycho during my free time at school as well.
why are there number sporadically thrown in in glamorama?
so it’s 4:36 am and i’m watching bret easton ellis early interview as soon as i could not get rid of circulating thoughts like Disappear Hear in my head after reading his books few years ago.
love how intelligent and interesting this person is. he is truly something and very underrating
THE BLOG JUST WENT DOWN
whod've thought charlie was as creepy as ellis's characters
I love Bret so much
he looks like he had too much fun in his 20s
he did lol. he was in new york for most of the 80s. living that life.
@@drinkingpoolwater that sounds awful.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945why’s that
@@goldproductionsofficial9949 excess, cocaine, bad music, STDs, i mean...
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 the chance of white guys getting HIV is 0.0000001%
Which actor would be a good pick for Bobby Hughes?
Jake Gyllenhaal can pull off both the charming and menacing bits enough to pull off Bobby Hughes. Meanwhile I could see Ansel Elgort playing Victor.
Clive Owen would have been a perfect Bobby Hughes.
Jacob Elordi
For Victor I'd choose Miles Teller
@@katie2275 agreed
I still believe in you
he seems so normal, then you read the books.....sorry, I know it's fiction, but this dude is SCARY
Oh yeah they had that saw piece before saw even knew what fashion hired killers.
2 years before 9/11
Two years before Zoolander
Bret’s a little high.
i'm happy he's giving props to his mother. very surprising considering his misogynistic lilt.
He's not a misogynist, sadly.
what makes you say that? 🤔
@@alexj.denton7453 this a concerning comment 💀
Anyone who thinks BEA is a misogynist bc of his characters and topics is extremely narrow minded.
9:40
love *************
I'm a huge fan of every other book he's written, but this book is the worst book I've ever read...in my whole life. I'm not exaggerating. How the FUCK someone can write something this bad when I know what he's capable of is completely beyond me.
Spare me, baby.
wut he spent 5 years writing Glamorama.
It's not all that surprising. Bret struggles with a need to re-write and self edit. He does outlines, with a lot of detail, before actually doing a first draft. I heard him say recently that he spent a year on an outline.
@@glenfahselt8378 Well the fact that he spent 5 years writing it is some further confirmation to me that it's a quality piece of literature. If I put 20 books on my bookshelf as " quality prosaic works " then Glamorama would be one of them, along with other 'notable standalone' works, a bit like a " hit song " from an artist which created 99 bad songs, with 1 really good hit song. Other works in that category include " The Girl Who Played Go ", " Ender's Game ". Where the author created 1 masterpiece (only). I wouldn't call " American Psycho " a masterpiece, as many people can't even finish the book when it derails into the category of 'vivid gore', like: " I was walking down a dark alley... suddenly a saw a homeless man with a dog, I pulled out my knife and embarked on a mission to strangulate the homeless man's neck with the dog's intestines ".. it's like ok what is this..? Yet the book turned into a famous Hollywood movie in which he probably made millions from the BluRay sales alone.
Glamorama, much like the other 2 I just mentioned, have the quality of being 'deep & fascinating', like: " I just read this book for 48 hours straight, wow, that was great. ", that type of immersion is possible in these 3. Like: " Thanks so much for lending me that book, best book I ever read //quote from 2002 & 2003 ".
@@Xenon777channel Sure, Glamorama's his best book, but he's certainly not like a one-hit music wonder. He hasn't written a bad book, and his first four are all great. Btw, authors almost always get a one-time up-front payment for movie adaptations; he didn't make anything extra on the video sales.
@@williambartholmey5946 Thank you for the extra info. So Glamorama is his best book as some sort of accepted fact amongst people which have read all of his books, or just your personal opinion?
And yes I agree that he isn't a " One hit wonder " as with many authors & music composers.
@@Xenon777channelhe actually spend 8 years writing it
MEDIC
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"was"... LOL
Long live democratic socialism and freedom
Charlie Rose was unworthy of the interviews he got
*******
this interviewer is so blase
That was his appeal. He is uninteresting but has interesting guests.
Rather dim bulb. He can’t write rounded characters, vary tone or even plot convincingly.
Thumbs WAY down
Try Thomas Harris
Who is this comment aimed at? And Harris is an average author who writes plain paperback thrillers they sell at airport bookstores to quickly digest during a flight, one or two of which made for better movie(s) than the damn book. The only reason anyone remembers Harris' books is because of the popularity of the movie version of SOTL. Ellis became an overnight literary celebrity while still in college when he wrote what became arguably the coming-of-age novel of the 80's (Less Than Zero), and later a satire that drew intense reactions, still holds up today, and pushed the boundaries of expression (A.P.).
@@thecriticandtheuncle5784 Thomas Harris has written interesting books which have 0 depth outside of their plot
Read The Shards. It's brilliant.
would NOT have been the same with DiCaprio. Was SUPERB with Bale