Skyrim's Orcs are Weirder Than You Think...

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  • Skyrim's Orcs are Weirder Than You Think...
    TIMESTAMPS:
    0:00 - Creation Story
    5:30 - Topal the Pilot Discovers Orcs
    7:49 - Etymplogy of the Name "Orc"
    10:22 - The Pig Children
    12:37 - Orcs are Dwemer?
    15:17 - King Dumalacath Dwarf-Orc
    20:34 - Volendrung
    22:38 - The Code of Malacath / Mauloch
    25:16 - Orichalcum (Weird Theory)
    30:03 - Clan Organisation
    33:37 - Orc Afterlife, the Ashen Forge
    37:15 - Vengeance and Resentment
    38:40 - Blood Price
    41:00 - Orsinium "Orc-Town"
    42:45 - Torug gro-Igron and the First Orsinium
    47:07 - Poetic Account of the Siege of Orsinium
    49:22 - The Fall of the First Orsinium
    52:12 - Yashnag gro-Yazgu, Chiefdom in Skyrim
    53:57 - The Chronicles of Kurog gro-Bagrahk
    1:00:20 - King Kurog gro-Orsinium
    1:05:46 - Vosh Rahk, Trinimac Cults
    1:09:12 - Gortwog gro-Nagorm and Nova Orsinium
    1:10:52 - Trinimac correlated with Orc Success
    1:14:07 - Wood Orcs
    1:12:27 - Iron Orcs, Osh Ornim
    1:20:12 - Are Orcs Really of Malacath?
    1:23:00 - Malahk-Orcs
    1:25:55 - Conclusion
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  • @grinningreaper0651
    @grinningreaper0651 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1858

    Honestly Bethesda owes so much to people like fudgemuppet for keeping the series alive until the elder scrolls 6

    • @PetrusEksteen
      @PetrusEksteen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

      Only for it to eventually bomb at release I bet

    • @ragingfilthycasual
      @ragingfilthycasual 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And the Entirety of Steams critical success to boot!

    • @insertoyouroemail
      @insertoyouroemail 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      ​@@PetrusEksteen What are your race 3, body type 2's pronouns? 😂

    • @PetrusEksteen
      @PetrusEksteen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@insertoyouroemail I think I'm going with a black Nord, with blonde zoomer mini-dreadlock hairstyle (shaved on the sides), whose backstory as a newly-inducted vampire whose skooma blood accidentally killed their master will drive the revenge arc in the hunt for their 14th boyfriend who refused to sit in the cuck chair

    • @PetrusEksteen
      @PetrusEksteen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@insertoyouroemail Mods be quick on that comment delete button (or auto-detection be sensitive as h*ck)

  • @kirksabio2382
    @kirksabio2382 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +239

    Man, that point about real Orichalcum being brass and copper oxidizing into a patinaed green is such a good metaphysical analogy for the Orsimer

  • @Reddotzebra
    @Reddotzebra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    All the other races: "Let's call our grand city something really cool!"
    Orcs: "Ok, this is Orctown."

    • @Oktokolo
      @Oktokolo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      That actually is a cool name though.

    • @Marauder-778
      @Marauder-778 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Gotta be one of my favorite genders

  • @NamelessKing1597
    @NamelessKing1597 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    The code of Malacath reminds me of the African proverb: "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth."

    • @augustsmith9553
      @augustsmith9553 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Orcs remind me of Africans too, the way they smell

    • @senordinkus
      @senordinkus หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      ​@@augustsmith9553not funny, didn't laugh

    • @JohnRyiol
      @JohnRyiol หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@augustsmith9553u got that vibe of someone aging into their 30s lost, empty, still trying the same things u did as a teen and not learning they dont work anymore

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@augustsmith9553 Why don’t you explain everything you meant with that sentence in graphic detail so we all REALLY understand where you’re coming from, huh? If it’s actually funny it shouldn’t be too hard.

    • @tracepettit
      @tracepettit หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@augustsmith9553that wasn’t funny at all bruh. Like not even creative or nuanced.

  • @dragonberrymead9525
    @dragonberrymead9525 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +482

    Poor Malacath, guy has one of the most indignant falls from grace . Gets crapped out by Boethia, the Nords call him "Mountain Fart", none of the other Daedric princes like him.

    • @Mary_Beth_Reimer
      @Mary_Beth_Reimer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      He did say that story was exaggerated, but no one else has ever offered a different one, so ...

    • @bigcazza5260
      @bigcazza5260 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      "my death was greatly exageratted" - trinimac@@Mary_Beth_Reimer

    • @AD-en5dq
      @AD-en5dq 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      and he doesnt like them his scourge banishes even princes trickery downed him but he passed through and no less powerful even passing his new form to his followers superior to their former selves

    • @bigcazza5260
      @bigcazza5260 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its kinda cool if u think about it. the reclamations teach the dunmer that tamriel is a great trial, so boethia gave trinimac the greatest trials as a parting lesson@@AD-en5dq

    • @jonathanpilcher337
      @jonathanpilcher337 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      ​@@Mary_Beth_Reimerthe story is correct, just symbolic. Malacath is the daedric prince of the spurned and ostracized so it makes sense that he'd get called dookie just for fun

  • @lakkakka
    @lakkakka 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +521

    "You can recognize orcs by their height and weight" says the book. "Sure let us ignore the obvious green skin" answers my brain

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      It is hard to ignore the tusks.

    • @drawndown
      @drawndown 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I must make a note that you could describe them by their height and weight without mentioning race/species and determine they are an orc. Say in a note or book.

    • @glorbojibbins2485
      @glorbojibbins2485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Thas raycis

    • @lakkakka
      @lakkakka 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@drawndown except you can't they might mistake an overly large redguard for an orc. Or any of the other races if you withhold actual indicators of species. Like the green skin colour. The tusks, etc.
      Like irl I wish you good luck describing someone of sub-saharan african descent without mentioning their complexion at all.
      People are surprisingly bad at understanding what is meant if you keep descriptions too vague.

    • @WiggaMachiavelli
      @WiggaMachiavelli 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@lakkakka Thick lips, coarse woolly hair, broad noses

  • @rovaan57
    @rovaan57 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Skyrim modders would not be able to contain themselves with 6 nippled orcs…

    • @Oktokolo
      @Oktokolo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I wonder, how that would have inspired the Skyrim modders on LoversLab...

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Oktokolo We are not talking about Lover’s Lab 😂

    • @Oktokolo
      @Oktokolo หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@FernBlackwood1995 Sure we do - if we talk about 6-nippled-orc adult content.
      There is no way Milk Mod Economy wouldn't support 6 nipples if they where in the base game - they got 4 right now after all...

    • @thomasrosendahl2783
      @thomasrosendahl2783 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That tells you what a terrible game Skyrim is. Even on Xbox you cant fix it with 5 gb of mods.

    • @Oktokolo
      @Oktokolo 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thomasrosendahl2783 Bruh. Skyland AIO 2k is already 5.5 GiB. And that's just the baseline for visual modding.
      Only allowing users of your consoles to have 5 GiBs of mods is basically showing them the middle finger.
      The game is old and console makers are enforcing completely ridiculous restrictions. Of course you want to add a texture overhault to a ten years old game.
      Of course you also want some extra content with extra assets and also extra textures.
      Skyrim is the most modded singleplayer game on the planet.
      But only on PC you can actually mod it without someone else telling you what and how much you are allowed to add or change.
      You poor console users don't even get automatic load order management because you aren't even allowed to use a proper mod manager.
      You are literally second class players.
      Not because some stupid PC master race bro like me says so. But because you pay to play on hardware that isn't actually yours and you accept whatever the true owners of that hardware decide to allow or not allow you to do with it.
      Vote with your wallet instead of trying to rationalize why the stupid arbitrary restrictions are indeed justified. Because they aren't.
      You should be allowed to add as much and whatever content to your gaming experience as you want on the console you already paid for.
      And if enough of you enforce that by boycotting overly restrictive consoles, you maybe will one day actually be able to have the freedom of a PC with the convenience of a console.
      Thanks for attending my TED rant.

  • @connornicholas8628
    @connornicholas8628 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    I absolutely adore the Mongolian inspiration for the Orcs.

  • @helpme5785
    @helpme5785 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    If the nords consider malacath a god who tests them in war, it could just be that overtime they began to associate that warring with death itself and combined the gods into one, or think of orkey and malacath as two aspects of the same god. Like death itself and death by battle. And if they hear other cultures around them refer to the orsimer as orcs, maybe that influenced them aswell.

  • @enoughothis
    @enoughothis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +200

    All hail Malacath God-King of Poo-Poo

    • @jaggidfire
      @jaggidfire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This but unironically

    • @moonchild4789
      @moonchild4789 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HAIL

    • @nialpollitt3410
      @nialpollitt3410 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      They eat da poo poo, like ice cream.

    • @NotsilYmerej
      @NotsilYmerej 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All hail!

    • @SkinnyEatWorld95
      @SkinnyEatWorld95 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      HAIL THE POO POO GOD KING!

  • @JaQofAllTrad3s
    @JaQofAllTrad3s 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    1:03:19 I wanna see this “improved elves” belief fully realized. Orcs have gone too long taking the short end of the stick.

  • @Schizopheonix
    @Schizopheonix 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +162

    Missed this content like fr. Glad you’re back

  • @legofan4409
    @legofan4409 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The Orsinium DLC and Kurog are some of the best things ESO has to offer, I loved this story a lot. Really fascinating to hear you talk about how holding onto Malacath is like holding onto vengeance, which holds the Orsimer back from truly progressing.

  • @LeonardoPerdomoMaga
    @LeonardoPerdomoMaga 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    26:30 the connection you are looking for is this, if oricalcum is 80% copper , the the green "corruption" is rust, copper rust is green !

  • @phaethos
    @phaethos 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    If you thought they Aldmer were pretty cool before, now they're _Orsimer._

    • @kweasel9523
      @kweasel9523 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 Great comment

    • @kweasel9523
      @kweasel9523 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 best comment

    • @AC-hj9tv
      @AC-hj9tv หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Underrated comment

  • @KingTalion
    @KingTalion 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I would be willing to believe that Dumalacath is like the Malacath version of a Shezzarine. Trinimac's defeat was more substantial than we usually assume, and Malacath is the name given to some sort of leftover essence that isn't quite a god, and manifests in a similar way to the leftovers of Lorkhan

  • @oscarwalton1188
    @oscarwalton1188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Maybe dwarfs snow elfs and orcs were all once the same people who took 3 different paths.

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Interesting theory, I like that one.

  • @VLarraechea
    @VLarraechea 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Let’s gooooo!
    I hadn’t expected a video from you guys today, but it’s always a pleasure whenever you post.
    Time to re-explore the history and secrets of the Orsimer, it seems.
    Malacath who was Trinimac, Orsimer who were Aldmer once.
    Thank you, as always!

  • @Bowen_Landry
    @Bowen_Landry 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    "the fabled elder scrolls 6" oof ,that hurt ;' . great video as always.

  • @matheusgomes1177
    @matheusgomes1177 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    My favorite race. My orc dragonborn uses the Way of The Voice to fight his rage (berseker rage)... His stronghold was burned by the Thalmor during their war against the Resguards and now he seeks vengance.

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sick backstory for your character, that’s great. Orcs rule.

  • @CareraDrift
    @CareraDrift 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    Bring back the Podcast

    • @TamrielicScholar
      @TamrielicScholar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      I miss the podcast so much I've rewatched them a million times

    • @Unit701giga
      @Unit701giga 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I want it back so god

    • @aberami6090
      @aberami6090 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Truly

    • @nataliehartigan
      @nataliehartigan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      yess

    • @ozzyb.hammer5599
      @ozzyb.hammer5599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      It's not the same without drew 😭

  • @pillarmenn1936
    @pillarmenn1936 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +170

    The title could be used for everything within Elder Scrolls. Nothing is as it seems in this universe.

    • @NarutoUzumaki71069
      @NarutoUzumaki71069 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good job

    • @zimattack9994
      @zimattack9994 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Like the TV headed zombies
      Coda is a fever dream

    • @sleepysartorialist
      @sleepysartorialist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, captain obvious! What would we have done without your incredible insight?

    • @matthimfsmfs7194
      @matthimfsmfs7194 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@sleepysartorialist And what would we have done without your glorious Divine prosecution?

    • @pillarmenn1936
      @pillarmenn1936 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sleepysartorialist You really think this would be obvious to the tourists? You goddamn nerd.

  • @badluck5647
    @badluck5647 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    Theory: Orcs preexist the creation of Malacath. The Daedric Prince just co-opted the outcasts in order to have a loyal army.
    Evidence:
    *Topal the pilot saw Orcs an era before Trinimac became Malacath
    *Wood Orcs were in Valenwood before the Bosmer
    *Tales of Orcs facing the Atmorans predate the creation of Malacath

    • @basocheir
      @basocheir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think arrival of ancient Nords/Atmoran to Tamriel is after transformation of Trinimac

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @basocheir According to _Before the Ages of Man,_ Orcs presence on Tamriel predate the Volthi exodus and according to the _Orcs of Skyrim,_ Orcs predate the Atmorans coming to Skyrim.

    • @basocheir
      @basocheir 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@badluck5647 and Trinimac transformation also predates Atmoran migration to Skyrim

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@basocheir Orkey, Nordic God of the Orcs, is a god that was "worship[ed] during Aldmeri rule of Atmora."
      Also, if Orcs were in Skyrim before the Velothi exodus, then they predate both the transformation of Trinimac and the Atmoran migration.

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@basocheir Orkey, Atmoran god of the orcs, worship was taken up "during Aldmeri rule of Atmora."

  • @averykluding1684
    @averykluding1684 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Now that Elder Scrolls 6 was officially announced to be in production, I would love to see you guys return and redo the “Things we want in Elder Scrolls 6” serious. Especially after the release of games like Elden Ring, Baldurs Gate 3, and Dragons Dogma 2, which all show what could be possible in Elder Scrolls 6.

  • @spider-spectre
    @spider-spectre 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Thats an interesting cool theory. The idea that perhaps the Orsimer split becoming the orcs and the dwemer, those who kept to their original faith and beliefs (Orcs) and those who abandoned worship the gods as they were weak or not worth following, going on a pursuit to both return to their old form, return to spirits/pure magic, and pursuit of the one truth(Dwemer). This would explain why they look different as they bred to return to a more elven look and pursued magical skill vs the Orcs who bred for strength and based on combat. Its like comparing those who stick to their beliefs despite having them rocked(Orcs) and those who see it as an awakening that the truth they once knew is incomplete(Dwemer). Thus the Dwemer pursued knowledge of Aedra, Daedra, and especially Lorkhan.

  • @JaceMorley
    @JaceMorley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    The Dumac section got me thinking.
    Dunmer hold that Nerevar slew Dumac, but the battle of Red Mountain was a three -way fight between Nord, Dwemer and Chimer.
    It would another level of tragedy if Nerevar took his wounds not from Dumac but from fighting alongside his old friend, putting their battle aside to fight the Nordic Chief together.
    Going even further with the myth echo, a wounded Nerevar could have struck down the Nord as he stood over the defeated Dumac.

  • @eris9062
    @eris9062 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    In reference to The Blood Price I’d like to bring up the Germanic concept of “Weregild” (there’s like 9 different ways to spell it depending on language) literally “man price”, which was a way to measure the cost to a victim and/or their family for personal injury, murder, maiming, and things of that nature, which would be scaled off both the severity of the crime as well as the rank of those involved, and sometimes the price could be so high that it would extend past an individual and onto their family/clan.
    Edit: it’s also worth mentioning this is hardly unique to the Germanics, but it was very heavily embedded in their legal code, so for example in Wales they even had it vary by how wealthy the affected party was, so a unlanded freeman was worth less than a poor landed man, who was worth less than a rich landed man, etc. Women were also included, but their exact valuation varied by place and cultural, while slaves/thralls were considered property damage rather than weregild

  • @GeoJoMarsh
    @GeoJoMarsh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I love the idea that there is a duality between the fall from grace of the orcs and the ascension of the dwarves. I feel like they are narratively connected

  • @HJ-pm2dx
    @HJ-pm2dx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I've often wondered if the Orsimer are descendants of a splinter faction of Dwemer. I've got zero proof, but I've got my suspicions.

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The fact that they’re Mer could mean relation of some kind, absolutely.

  • @matthewanderson6769
    @matthewanderson6769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Why Bethesda isn’t paying you, is beyond me.

    • @NoContent1991
      @NoContent1991 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Because he does it for free

    • @matthewanderson6769
      @matthewanderson6769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NoContent1991 aww yeah, tru

    • @matthewanderson6769
      @matthewanderson6769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hsousa54 yeah righto mate.

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NoContent1991 He shouldn’t be, lmao.

  • @Kavou
    @Kavou 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Orcs always used to scare me when I was a kid in the old Bethesda games, Skyrim was the first of their games where I didn't feel scared of orcs but I kind of liked them, they surely seem very mysterious and unhinged.

  • @Chevycamaroman317
    @Chevycamaroman317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Incredible video. Scott you should make a video on Nerevar similar to the one you did for Reman! Would be awesome to see more of his life especially his friendship blossom with Dumac!!

    • @crandleberrysadie
      @crandleberrysadie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      TY 🙏 I actually messaged Scott and asked him if he would consider writing Nerevar's story. He said he'd give it some thought but that was a couple of days after the Reman video so 🤷‍♂️

  • @james739123
    @james739123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    If Elder Scrolls 6 takes place in Hammerfell or High-Rock, there needs to at least be a DLC story that takes in Orsinium that may involve the Orc worship of Malacath and Trinimac, like the Shivering Isles DLC.

  • @sojournertaylor6897
    @sojournertaylor6897 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Even if we get a mainline game all about orcs, they would probably still be in the minority unlike Morrowind and Skyrim.
    Orcs are extremely underrated and since the next game takes place in Hammerfell by the looks of it, we may get some more orc adventures seeing as orcs and Redguards have history.
    Also Hammerfell got its name from the throwing of Volendrung, the artifact most closely connected with the orcs, so playing an orc in TES6 may be more interesting than previous games

    • @Ith4qua
      @Ith4qua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      nah probably just gonna be a character skin like the last 5 games

    • @mee091000
      @mee091000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Ith4qua Not sure what you are actually trying to say here. But there has always been a canonical race for each protagonist in the Elder Scrolls games. We just never know what the race was until a much later installment. I would assume that Skyrim's canonical Dovahkiin is going to be a Nord, The Hero of Kvatch was an Imperial, the Nerevarine is supposed to be an Outlander, etc.

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don’t shit in my cornflakes, pal, I’m allowed to dream

  • @reyo6353
    @reyo6353 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love that TR keeps the weird stuff that Oblivion and Skyrim skirt around....

  • @MrMoistGloves
    @MrMoistGloves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fudgemuppet back in the saddle let’s go

  • @chameleonx9253
    @chameleonx9253 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Honestly, the simplest explanation for the Orc/Dwarf connection is that Malacath joined forces with the Dwarves at some point since they were enemies of his enemies, the Dunmer.

  • @TBsentmehere
    @TBsentmehere 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These longform videos are such a treat. I am always so impressed by how deep the lore goes.

  • @myrapismysalvation
    @myrapismysalvation 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You the man Fudge. Thanks for giving me good stuff to listen to at work

  • @NOVAsteamed
    @NOVAsteamed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fudgemuppet levelled up! This video was jaw dropping. Great work.

  • @Mary_Beth_Reimer
    @Mary_Beth_Reimer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Scott, we need more of your fanfiction stories!!!

  • @Barmaglott17
    @Barmaglott17 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Strangely you seemed to ignore the last piece of content on orcs and Malacath - "From Exiles to Exodus".

  • @Cyberdog22
    @Cyberdog22 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:05 Trinimac&cheese

  • @smuggrog9821
    @smuggrog9821 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Pretty much the main reason why I am hoping that TES 6 Is going to be set in Hammerfell or High Rock and Hammerfell is cause I want to be able to visit Orsinium in a mainline game. I need more Orc lore in my life and I find the conflict between Malacath and Trinimac worship to be the most interesting part of the races lore and is worthy of a questline imo, so I would really like to see that lore be expanded on.

  • @JamesHatfield49
    @JamesHatfield49 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Great Video! I really love the Orsimer and think they are (characteristically) under-appreciated. ESO has done a great job of improving their lore, architecture and aesthetic. I really hope the Mongolian designs are used in ES6 more than the Skyrim-like style. Maybe the more Asian aesthetic is found in Orsinium/Trinimac followers, whilst the more angular and rugged armours are what you find in the Malacath worshipping and traditional strongholds like in Skyrim

    • @StarlitSeafoam
      @StarlitSeafoam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, I think the similarity between Orcish armor and Deadric armor was very purposeful in Skyrim; its really fitting for stronghold orcs who follow Malacath. I admit, though, I see a lot of similarity between ESO's orc armors and Skyrim's, and beyond the helmets and up-turned-toe boots, neither looks very Mongolian to me. Would be VERY cool if they leaned that direction more, though.

  • @geist5998
    @geist5998 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always figured the dwarve orc conection was that they have the same mer ancestor. When trinimac was eaten and became malacath half of the mer who witnessed this stayed faithful and followed him in his transformation, while the other half lost their faith in gods and became the dwemer.

  • @CrashOzzy1223
    @CrashOzzy1223 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    19:22 it could make sense with malacath having some connection to the old dwemer. Especially with his keeping of volendrund (that spelling doesn’t seem right.) the hammer previously of dwarven origin and ownership.

  • @lbgonpokeit
    @lbgonpokeit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an amazing video. You clearly put SO much time and effort into this. Thanks a lot for the great entertainment 😁

  • @jameslightfoot1872
    @jameslightfoot1872 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    What a wondrous lie it would be if boethiah tricked Trinimac's followers into worshipping a turd, turning their backs on the true Trinimac, leaving him lost and forgotten.

  • @landonlong4044
    @landonlong4044 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wish Bethesda would put you guys in a elders scrolls game as like historian let yall voice act your characters i have no doubt you guys could do something like that and give you like a library bc you guy are the back bone of there games rn I love you guys I love bethesda best of luck to yall and to all elder scrolls fans.

  • @gabrielw3570
    @gabrielw3570 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This might be your best work yet, thanks guys!

  • @ahead5257
    @ahead5257 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Phenomenal video, thank you for rekindling my interest in Elder Scrolls!

  • @kozy15x
    @kozy15x หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just discovered this channel, this is incredible! Going to dig into their videos

  • @KalebB.46
    @KalebB.46 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the great video Scott !

  • @arvensique
    @arvensique หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Definitely a latecomer to this, but on the off chance you're still getting these notifications- great work! Love your content.

  • @syn_chrony
    @syn_chrony 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    gods be praised, a new fudgemuppet video

  • @rockdocandlittlebird5974
    @rockdocandlittlebird5974 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm a geologist and historic recreationist who does quite a bit of work in chemical analysis and metalworking from history. This is literally my meat and potatoes (the orichalcium) And it really does work quite nicely.

  • @NinjasticFlare
    @NinjasticFlare 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think I posted this on the last one, but I love the poetic language/prose of TES lore. That, when combined with the utter weirdness of it all makes it my favorite series.

  • @TheBlackRose3
    @TheBlackRose3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Orcs on Tamriel before Aldmer or Atmorans would be very interesting. I do think the Nedes may have always been on Tamriel as well, so this could add up. Thanks for another greta video! 👏

  • @okokokok1457
    @okokokok1457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Extremely well done

  • @ruperterskin2117
    @ruperterskin2117 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Right on. Thanks for sharing.

  • @mlevis05
    @mlevis05 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I never tire of great elderscrolls lore videos

  • @SkinnyEatWorld95
    @SkinnyEatWorld95 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always liked the Orsimer. They're pretty cool. People are just jealous of how fierce they are.

  • @joshuadonaire8160
    @joshuadonaire8160 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah yeah, just made my Monday! You guys plus the cold early spring weather... I need to get back on my Dunmer spellsword

  • @theDudeStandard
    @theDudeStandard 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A new video, YES! Missed you guys! I've been hoping you might get back to Skyrim with some RP Build videos on the modlist scene. Specifically hoping you'd check out LoreRim or Halls of Sovngarde. They both use Requiem and Divine Blessings religion mods. They would make ultra fun immersive RP and you guys are the Kings of RP!
    Glad to see you again!

  • @georgeedwards9897
    @georgeedwards9897 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love to see another build soon

  • @G0rbino21
    @G0rbino21 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So happy to see your upload. I hope that all is well with you two. Can’t wait to give this one a watch.

  • @duncancarter9456
    @duncancarter9456 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another informative masterpiece!!

  • @Vinyls77
    @Vinyls77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't know how I feel about Bethesda associating a gross story with the origin of an entire race of theirs, in addition to making their traditional lifestyle be detrimental to them, without providing a clear way for their race to attain a happy afterlife that doesn't involve Malacath.

  • @theiconicprodigy1736
    @theiconicprodigy1736 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Always high quality! Good job guys.

  • @rebornlich
    @rebornlich 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These longer videos remind me how much I miss the Elder Scrolls Lore podcast y’all had :(

  • @MarkusManon
    @MarkusManon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So cool

  • @kylerBD
    @kylerBD 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like to believe that Dumalacath is half orc. Wouldn't be too far fetched considering his war like nature.

  • @LordOfCookies123
    @LordOfCookies123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    probably the best advertisement for TESO there ever was

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why do people forget there is a whole series before ESO.

  • @valcair
    @valcair 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video has singlehandedly made me want to build an orc in ESO. Sadly i have all my character slots full but dang it was a great video

  • @user-mm6dr9pi2k
    @user-mm6dr9pi2k 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks for your delighting videos about the stories of the elder scrolls I learned more about it from you than the boring books in elder scrolls online without playing Morrowind or Oblivion or Skyrim Thanks for your work and say greetings to the other members

  • @BrookeSpillman-ui2vr
    @BrookeSpillman-ui2vr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really enjoyed this video and learned so much! Thank you ❤

  • @elmine7707
    @elmine7707 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Perfect! Ive had a MASSIVE Malacath cooking all day an needed something to listen to as I pass as lord Boethia

  • @alyxxpratt678
    @alyxxpratt678 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great to see more content from you boys. Would love to see some more Starfield builds!

  • @RyanBright-wg1yk
    @RyanBright-wg1yk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I personally have a theory where both accounts are true, coming from the same place where I try and blend the histories. In this version the Iron Orcs are not genetically related, at least not entirely, to the Orcs of Malekath & Trinimac faiths.
    Essentially as we know the term Orc may refer to a series of races or tribes of taller goblin-kin, who are native & similar in appearance to Orcs, and so I propose that Iron Orcs are a direct relative of those taller goblin-kin races. And then at some point Elves arrived from Somerset or some other migrating Elven race. Maybe the Malekath theory is true and that's how they transformed, or maybe they intermixed with some of these taller goblin-kin which they called Orcs & over time like with the Bretons, a majority, or maybe even just a minority making up the ruling elite, of Orc tribes became a hybrid of both goblin-kin & Elves.
    In the latter theory the other Elven races pushed a narrative of impurity, seeing goblins as lesser, and these half-Elven hybrids as filthy abominations, creating the Malekath-Trinimac lie & pushing it on the natives. Maybe it was forced, maybe the Elven hybrids embraced it either through shame or from continually losing wars before they developed the ability to record their own history in written text. Much like the Dwarves did to the Falmer, the Elves forcing the Orcs into a primitive state.
    Only smaller branches of tribes that either lived in disconnected areas or in an isolationist state due to past or ongoing conflicts like the Iron Orcs survived, maybe also having hybrid blood, but maybe being completely pure in their goblin genetics, still looking similar to the other Orcs.
    Alternatively in this theory the hybrid Orcs took on the majority religion of Goblins, which seems to be Malekath, and their old deity of Trinimac either merged or was added to their joint faith, however again the other Elves saw this as an abomination mixing Trinimac, a pure Elven God, into a filthy goblin pantheon, and as such they expelled the Orcs & Trinimac from Elven society and made up a story of a God being tricked by Daedra into becoming a corrupted lesser form, impure and disconnected from the pure Elven lineages.
    In this version all of the history ties together & makes sense, but the Malekath is Trinimac part is a lie or a form of cultural merging.
    However, if we want the Trinimac-Malekath parts to also be completely true, then going back to the second paragraph above, the Elves that arrived worshipped Trinimac, like the Snow Elves worshipped Auri-El above the other Gods. Their God was corrupted, and became Malekath, and Malekath in his domineering might-makes-right nature, pushes out the other Orc & Goblin faiths, his followers become corrupted with him, and take on a similar form to the native taller goblins, and also conquer & merge with a majority of Orc tribes, until the Orcs & tall Goblins are indistinguishable. Only a few disconnected & isolated tribes survive the purge of the new pissed off War-God & his mixed up warband of hybrid cult-like followers. The Orcs eventually splinter with the idea of Orsinium, a united war-race, being lost to history, resurfacing because of his devoted followers. Only Iron Orcs, and similar tribes remain anything close to their old pure form.
    This solves the issue of the Iron Orcs being there for centuries, without disproving the Malekath faith. It's just a case of three or more races mixing up, and history getting muddled once again by the interference of the Gods. All it requires is for us to assume that some tall goblins still exist under the same umbrella term of Orc, and the two races look similar if-not identical.
    And if we use Bethesda's original deformed theory this may be what originally distinguished them. Maybe Iron Orcs/Tall Goblins had normal features, but the other Elf descended Orcs had all the weird nipple deformities & shit.
    To me that makes sense as the missing puzzle piece that would've solved the issue and connected the final dots in the theory, just the minor appearance differential to give us that nudge, that was unfortunately retconned and removed like so many theories and lost pieces of content in the Elder Scrolls Universe.

  • @teyanuputorti7927
    @teyanuputorti7927 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    great drive in Scott it was fascinating and I thank you for the video the Elder Scrolls universe is lore heavy and very interesting.

  • @alyssafuller375
    @alyssafuller375 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just went I think I can move on to another franchise’s lore, fudgemuppet comes and snatches me back

  • @thecatattheend2250
    @thecatattheend2250 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the content, thanks!

  • @UmbralDawn
    @UmbralDawn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The kings are back! Can’t wait to listen tomorrow at work

  • @st.anselmsfire3547
    @st.anselmsfire3547 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm pretty sure that the theory about orichalcum is not what Bethesda intended, but if any of their writers are watching, it'll become canon. They've done it before. They've also just gotten stuff wrong before, and had to retcon it into working, like how they have ebony as a metal, or sulfur being red. They probably didn't know that orichalcum is based on a real alloy, as it is a public domain fantasy metal like mithril.

  • @brgardner897
    @brgardner897 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've been really interested in Arcwind Point lately-- do you have any videos that explore it? If not you should do an investigation and give us some theories! Thanks for all you do.

  • @Renseblowewebster111
    @Renseblowewebster111 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Amazing as always

  • @screamingsheik2264
    @screamingsheik2264 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel like a weirdo outcast so Orcs have always had my heart💚

  • @jackccurbs
    @jackccurbs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would love it if ES VI has an orc-centric plotline.

  • @TheCrystalEssence
    @TheCrystalEssence 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome as always , can you's next cover Ithelia the long lost Deadric Prince of Paths and ex Star-Orphan with the upcoming ESO expansion releasing it would be cool to get your thoughts on this individual, within the lore how possibily this changes established lore in certain areas and or may add context to loose ends we havent had more info on and if she adds too it?

  • @captaincokecan
    @captaincokecan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was just thinking last night when you guys where gonna upload again.❤

  • @korgclips868
    @korgclips868 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please Make a Celebrimbor (Bright Lord) build please if you have the time, it’d be really cool if you could play off of him being a ringmaker (in past) to have him work to craft a new ring of power to amplify his dragonborn nature and increase his powers of domination in a character arc

  • @sasha1mama
    @sasha1mama 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bjoulsae is pronounced "byool-say". The J is a Y sound, like in Icelandic.
    The whole "covered in the excrement of shame" thing sounds very much like Aldmeri poetic license to me. And you have to grant, between their arrogance and a general lack of taxonomic understanding, it would be in perfect character for the Aldmeri to describe the orcs thus, as a people degenerated by the shit of a daedra pwning a god who had fallen out of favor. It's an inconsistent narrative, like how the Norse mythologies weren't a single cohesive narrative but a collection of unrelated stories socketed into place to "explain" why the world was how it was. It's a made-up explanation.
    So I'm on board with the whole "orcs are native" thing, because that's more sound from a taconomic and anthropological standpoint. That's the science - the elven story is just fabrication.

  • @Ho0pxr
    @Ho0pxr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hoping you guys will bring back the podcast and reunite with Drew for the episodes. The new chapter from ESO is really shaking things up and is worth coming back for. You guys said that was the case when leaving also.

  • @patrickomerbilgutay2391
    @patrickomerbilgutay2391 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Loving these recent ES lore videos, but also kind of hoping we will get some more starfield content (especially builds) from you guys soon. :)

  • @user-mj4zy4kn1c
    @user-mj4zy4kn1c 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another dwemer/orsimer connection with the metals is that Dwemer metal is gold, and Orichalcum could be the corrupted version

  • @Sarah-nd5pp
    @Sarah-nd5pp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Missed this content so glad your back

  • @thathollow5162
    @thathollow5162 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OMG NIPPLE SLIP at 16:46, noticed the same thing when I was testing my modpack was stream friendly lol

  • @Winter-cw8yr
    @Winter-cw8yr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks for making more Elder Scrolls content

  • @vincentrustigian2031
    @vincentrustigian2031 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A video I'm slightly interested in and will fall asleep during the intro too