Grand Prince Árpád & the Invasions of the Magyars
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History Time Wonderful video, as a Hungarian, I can say you did a great job. Only one small mistake. In the end you show the Kingdom of Hungary from 1000-1918. However, the monarchy was not abolished once and for all in 1918, only for 2 years, then a governor was put in place. It was finally dismantled after WW2 in 1946
My grandfather's name was Arpad. Now I understand the name's significance. Keep up rhe great work!
the video is great but the maps are shity! bulgaria vas never that great to consume croata/bosnia in the west
They are just copyright free maps I found on the internet to accompany my writing. Don't take them as gospel. Question everything - That's what learning is all about :) However since making this video I have now just about worked out how to make my own maps so there shouldn't be any mistakes on that front from now on.
Hungarians were not nomads, just semi-nomads. Hungarians came from the Southern URal instead of Central Asia.
Goddamn these guys were a force. Respect to Magyars.
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Hope you’ll get this and watch it
Fun Fact: Pecheneaugs, we (Hungarians= magyars) call them besenyők, which means hawks. (Old magyar: bese, modern magyar: héjja = hawk) The hawk was used as a companion for hunting on the steppe and also played an important role in animistic religions. The Hungarians/magyars also had their sacred bird, the Turul which is a huge human sized fictional bird, often depicted as a mix between the eagle and the vulture.
The name Álmos in modern magyar language means sleepy, or someone who's about to go to sleep, but in old hungarian it ment 'seer' or 'someone who has visions in his sleep'
His's son's name (Árpád) is actually oguz/ turkic origin.
Both names - among with Attila - are widely used today, in fact my brother's name is Attila. 😅
Attila was not used in Hungary until the 19th century.
My grandpa's name was Geza....
@@emridan How do you know that? No offense..just courious.
@@a.k.7818 There are no accounts, no gravestones, no mentions with the name Attila before that. It came into the country with the 19th century orientalism. Basically you cannot find it anywhere before that. One of our poets Attila József, born in the 20th century was called Péter by their parents, becouse they claimed that Attila is not a real name. This also shows how alien it was even a humdred years ago.
@@emridan I see. Thanks for your respond.
Thank you for the video! It´s rare that non-hungarians deal with our history - especially this period - and do such a great job!
yes, and more should do, because many hungarians, just like their neighbours, spread a lot of historical BS.
De vicces mert nem tuta ki mondani a"magyar"
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Please check this link
Magyars and all steppe peoples are so very interesting.
Thanks for making a video about my 35th great grandfather! Proud to be a Magyar!
My grandmother Magyar, hi from Kazakhstan 🇰🇿
How is she magyar?
, did she went to Khazakstan? Could you please tell me, I'm very interested
@@gigixxii2228 no she is born and lives in Kazakhstan. In Kazakhstan we have a lot of clans one of them is Magyar also. For example my grandmother Magyar which is connected to main clan Argyn. Argyn have a few clans into for example Magyar, Karakesek, Baimbet, 40miltyk and so on. In history Kazakh is nomads which have a lot of clans
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This is a very well put-together video. Excellent!
You have one the best historical channels in youtube friend, great video! It's truly great to experience history as a both a tale and a somewhat of analysis like you do.
Consider me part of tour notification squad from now on!
Hungarian king genetic th-cam.com/video/TYhkcys9cuc/w-d-xo.html
A good video about this period in the Hungarian history. I only missed that you did not mentioned the battle of Brezalausburg from 907, which sealed the Hungarian conquest, defeating a huge Western Europen army, which invaded Hungary in order to kill all the Hungarians.
Azért mi sem voltunk szelíd báránykák...
@@okosbarkl7809 read it again, from any kind of source. English, Hungarian, french.. you will see there was 80 000 to 120 000 solder who attacked at Pozsony. One of the if not the biggest army collected at that times...
The 907 battle was most momentous at the age.
@@okosbarkl7809 did many research after that, the smallest numbers written even by westeners is 60 000 soldiers...
It was actually hungarians who invaded Pressburg in 907. This city didnt belong to magyars
Yup, that's us. Congratulations for the awesome video, you've realy done a rare thorough research on our ancestors.
@Accelerated Hungarian tribes never were turks, genetically magyars were mostly europeans, descenants of schityans. And yes Hungarians=magyars. Hungarian name came from Onogur, this was our old name, but we called ourselves magyars, as we nowadays is calling ourselves in this name. Hungary in the hungarian language called Magyarország.
@Accelerated Our whole culture, music, legends based on schityan culture. And yes they were schityans. Every source called them schityans, royal schityans, huns, sabirs, sarmatians. Check out Dr. Neparáczki Endre's genetic results about the hungarians from the 10th century. Theye were europeans, descenants of the srubnaya and yamnaya culture (ancestors of the schityans) and they had maximum 30% asian genes. Nowadays hungarians has the same genes, just less asian genes, because we mixed with some slavs and western europeans. If hungarians weren't be magyars, they couldn't speak magyar language and they can't look like old magyars. But we speak magyar language and lots of us look like the old magyars (Antropology, Dr. Fóthi Erzsébet, Kiszely István, Dr. Henkey Gyula).
I don't even understand how can you say that hungarians are not magyars. We calles hungarians by others nations (it comes from the name Onogur), but we call ourselves magyars.
@Accelerated I see you know nothing about Hungarians.....You sould learn some hungarian culture, folk tales, legends, very similar to the old schityan legends what Herodotos wrote down. According to Dr. Henkey Gyula Antrophologyst the old Hungarian human tipes were Europid turanid (andronovo culture) Pamirid (scityans, huns), caucasoid (schityans), nordic, Pontid and Taurid. Taurid was the tipe of the leadership, common with scityans, sarmatians. You can find these tipes in nowadays hungarians too. According to Dr. Neparáczki Endre and Dr.Török Tibor the Hungarian mithocondrial and Y-haplogroup genes were mostly european genes, very similar to the old Srubnaya culture (pre-schityans), with some scandinavic tiped genes (its from yamnaya culture, old culture on the East-European steppe) and there were 20-30% asian genes in them, its probably from some altaic people. The Onogur was a tribe-alliance, included with the ancestors of Bolgars and the a Hungarians too. The Hungarians Archeologycal legacy is very similar to the Archeologycal legacy of Onogurs with the same trepanned skulls and partial horse burial. The closest population genetically to these old hungarians is the Volga Tatars and Baskhirs. Volga Tatars were Volga Bolgars mixed with some ugric-schityan people, now they tatarised and speaking turk language, but we don't know what language they speak originally. The name Hungarian in the western sources comes from the name Onogur, its a fact. The living area of Onogurs were exactly the same place, where the old Chronicles and folk says the Hungarians comes from (North-Caucaus, Maeotis). They probably mixed with some Sabir people,thats why Bizantines sources calls Hungarians Sabartoi Asphaloi. Huns of Attila were called Sabirs too and they were called schityans and medians as well by Prsicos, who met personaly with Attila and the huns. The Hungarians were called in sources Huns lot of times, they were called schityans, royal schityans, sabirs, onogurs. The leaders of the Xiongnu empire were europid schityans according to archaeology (Mummies in the Tarim-basin), the common people were altaic and mongoloid. Later this leader group leaved Asia and went to west and other schityan people (massagetaes, alanians) joined them, but they brought altaic peoples too from Asia, thats why we can find europo-mongolid and europid tiped skulls in the Hun age Carphatian-basin and thats why old Hungarians had 20-30% asian genes, but mostly european genes.
Levente Gilmayer hungaryans maybe oghur broo not onogur onogur is kazak volga bolgar ancient bulgaryans masagetae scitians the magyars is oghur near to kazak. volga bolgar yes some tribes scityians but not onogur. onogur is massagetae scito sarmatians alanians kazak who formed kazakstan with uyghur saka kazak is impossible the magyars to by massagetae volga bolgar becouse volga bolgar kazak is scito sarmatians volga kazak bolgar some bolgar tribes formed bulgarya cumans kazak kipcak greater bulgarya is iranians alanians turkhis tribes among roma turkhis muslim from uyghur saka kazak from turkestan xinjiang now. Uyghur avars hun empires is spread from turkestan to volga bolgars kazak mix in invasionof roman empire'
@Accelerated You seem like a Ro-maniac... I mean Romanian fellow. ;)
Amazing content, discovered your channel thanks to the Subutai video.
Subbed and liking the uncovered channel for now.Hope you'll become more popular like other history channels.
Keep up the amazing work dude :)
Arrival of Huns was not after the fall of Western Roman Empire, check the chronical order please.
Yes, Balamber tribal War Lord of The Huns led them into Europe in the 370s AD. 😎
It was the Huns who put the final nail in the Western Roman Empire’s coffin.
Considering their roots, they are far more ancient than the existence of the WRE.
Please check.
Yrs ago I had a Vizsla a Hungarian pointer and retriever . Great dog happy but hyper , not a apartment dog . There traced back to the Magyar tribes . So I was interested and watched this video . Thank you 😊
we had two, too. Maggie & Jacob. they're in doggie heaven now and I miss them every day!
Other ancient hungarian breed is magyar agar its fast af
Quality content (as always) and an impressive upload rate, I don't get how you only have 2k subscribers..
Thanks buddy! I'm happy to see so many new faces on board. The channel was at less than a thousand for quite a long time.
Up to nearly 6k since your comment 5 days ago ... absolutely mental ...
That's awesome! I'm sure you'll reach 50k by the end of the school year!
Btw do you have a professional email or something ?
Sorry about the late reply! petekellywriter@gmail.com
Its 110858 subs now...
This video alone helped me with my history project a lot. Thank you History Time
Thank you, learning about my ancestors 🙋♀️🇭🇺🇺🇸
Great video and It's always great to see Western Europeans covering Hungarian history, when you were talking about 907, I'm not sure if you covered the battle of Pressburg (Bratislava) where the Franks united to kill all Hungarians with a 2-4x larger army than the Hungarians and still lost. Also you didn't show the largest Hungary became in the middle ages and why they lost all their land in 1918 (treaty of Triannon) but still a great vid :)
hungarians just came back here. greetings from Baja
Always love learning about fellow steppe warriors :)
Excellent video! Thanks!
very good especially since I know none of this history. thank you. I subscribed.
wow i love your vids mate keep it up
Great video!!
Please do a special video on the Alans and their interesting history!
♡ancestoral studies. Thank you for the video :)
Fantastic. Congrats
If you go to Szeged, a small town 45 mins from Budapest, there is a 360 degree painting of the Magyars' arrival. Supposedly in Szeged. Priceless
Great video! One correction, the Hungarian Kingdom officially existed until 1946. But after 1918 it wasn't ruled by a king because of the political turmoil after World War I. 1918-19 were chaotic times, but from 1920-1944 the Royal Hungary was governed by Regent Miklós Horthy, then the war swept through the country resulting in the soviet occupiation. The monarchy was forcefuly changed to a republic by soviet pressured post war hungarian parliament in 1946.
Great video
Why do you date the Magyars (Hungarians) 300 - 1240? We still exist.
i think he was talking about ancient magyars, we used to have a different language back then th-cam.com/video/ucvoOqWIcxA/w-d-xo.html
And we always will!
@@codboss7092 all still finno-ugric
@Daisy Wong they speak finno ugric language. They have finno-ugric culture. They are finno-ugric!
@Daisy Wong give source
Thanks.
Love the way you present the arrival of nomads. And you have an excellent understanding of the ways of nomads. Keep on!
my friend makes magyar horn bows among many other historical bows. im tanning a deerhide to hopefully make into a magyar quiver
new sub here,your channal will reach 100k before 2019 mark my words
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It was a good homecoming
thank yew
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I found out my haplogroup is shared with Magyar conquerors
So maybe you are a descendant
Vеry nicе video!
Excellent viewing✌️
Hmm that wasn't so unexpected and terrifying invasion, nor were Hungarians so unheard of, since almost every king and duke in Europe invited them to fight against this or that king or duke they didn't like :D Frankish kings, rebel Frankish states, Moravian dukes, Byzantine emperors, Bulgarians... It was in use to hire those steppe people (khazars, pechenegs, hungarians) against someone because of their weird and unexpected warfare. They literally did the job instead of someone else :p
those steppe people are the Gog Magog in the Bible
That was part of the magyars politics and tactic back then.
Always siding with the weaker against the stronger.
This way they could balance the European powers, so none could become too strong.
Rà is fàztunk rendesen mert mi lettünk a vad magyarok a mai napig, akik terrorizàltàk az àrtatlan Nyugat Euròpàt.
As I promised, here is my critique of the video. Before I get into what’s inaccurate (and I will try not to be too picky) I would say this is better than most English-language textbooks, which are simply not serious. It’s strange, because there are plenty written sources as well as archaeological material.
So, let’s start:
1. 0:44 “A vast, and unheard-of wave of steppe warriors that came thundering onto the plains of Eastern Europe.” Congratulations, very dramatic! However, recent studies indicate the Magyars moved in small “waves” into the Carpathian Basin, likely starting with the Onogurs (c.670). The jury is out on whether these spoke Hungarian, but it is one possibility. Western nations all call Magyars some form of “Onogur”, whether “Ungar” or “Hongrois” etc. Other groups entered the region from the homeland of the Magyars in Etelköz.) Either way, the first “Magyar” group entered and settled parts of Hungary in 860. The Carpathian Basin was inhabited largely by steppe peoples, the Székely in Transylvania, Bulgars south of the Maros River, Avars on the Great Plain and in the north and between the Tisza and Danube, and Germans and Slavs in the Transdanubian region. Moravia ruled part of the Northwest, Bulgaria ruled the part south of the Maros, while the East Franks ruled up to the Danube River. Archaeological evidence shows the Magyars settled next to the Avars, but in slightly wetter areas. There are many sources on this, mostly archaeological, but Regino mentions both Magyars and Avars in 908, and so does the Byzantine Suda Lexicon. Neither were nomads but had a farming component and a mobile component. So, no “vast wave”.
2. Dr György Szabados of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences says it wasn’t the Magyar “ethnicity” that moved into Hungary in 895, but the Magyar State. This refers to Árpád’s military and administrative “leader group”, which organised tribes and small groups of people into a state, where it was able to enforce taxation, obedience, as well as defend the territory with military force.
3. 1:27. I don’t know where you got this map, but it’s completely wrong. I suggest look at any historical atlas. The area that is shown reaching into Hungary in the north-east happens to be the oldest archaeologically known area inhabited by Magyars, so it can’t be correct.
4. 1:28. “To the horror of the established European powers of the day, the Magyars had arrived.” Note that the Magyars entered the Carpathian Basin as allies of Holy Roman Emperor Arnulf of Carinthia. There was no “unheard of-ness” here, the East Franks had been allies with Magyars before (against Moravia). I agree it sounds more “Oooh, ahh” to make people show up like a whirlwind and destroy everything, but the facts are a bit more pedestrian!
5. 1-37 - 2:44. I won’t go into detail critiquing this part, as I’m concentrating on the Magyars. One point: The steppe peoples advantage came from mobile warfare. The Sarmatians were heavy cavalry, for instance. Perhaps this point: You imply all they did was “raid and pillage”. Why do you ignore their widespread cottage industries, agriculture, viticulture, inventions and trade?
6. 4:00 - 4:31. I won’t tackle your re-telling of the supposed events taking place that caused the Magyars move from Etelköz to modern Hungary, save to say scholars are now questioning the whole narrative based on archaeological finds.
7. 3:51- Well, except to comment on this very serious error: “In 894, they invaded Pannonia. Possibly in response, they hired another nomadic confederacy, the Pechenegs …..”
What would the Bulgarians be doing in Pannonia (the area West of the Danube) which was in Bavarian/East Frankish hands at this point?
8. 4:32-4:34. “Some of these were simply opportunistic raids, some were fought for genuine defensive reasons, in order to cling onto their new homeland.” That’s very reasonable!
9. “Numerous conflicting accounts exist of the life of Arpad, making a concrete analysis of his life difficult to come by.” You’ve got me there. I know he is mentioned - fleetingly - in Byzantine sources, but no Western source knew about him. Could you mention what the “conflicting sources” are?
10. 5:30. Battle of the Brenta. Here we know that the Magyars were in alliance with Arnulf, Holy Roman Emperor, against Berengar. This was not a “raid”, but a military expedition as part of an alliance. In return, the Holy Roman Emperor recognised the Principality of Hungary. Why leave that out?
11. 6:04. (Magyar armies) ….”tended to be semi-autonomous strike forces”. This idea was popular back in the day, but more and more studies (Hungarian Academy of Sciences Lectures, by Dr Gyorgy Szabados, Dr Attila Türk and othes) indicate there was a central authority. Byzantine sources make this quite clear. This is underlined by the fact that no Magyars ever settled outside of Hungary; and that no Magyar armies ever fought other Magyars, whereas both the Vikings and Moors did. Had they been mere mercenaries or separate tribes, they could have fought each other.
12. 6:07 “Following Árpád’s death in 907, almost every single year brought with it a new campaigning season for the Magyars, who continually launched attack after attack….”
This is plain wrong. It’s the equivalent of saying: “Britain invaded Germany in 1944, despite their being no hostilities before that.”
First: The Bavarians invited the second highest man in the land, Kurszán, to a “Peace Feast” on the river Fischa in 904. The Bavarians murdered Kurszán and his retainers. Hardly likely to create a peaceful atmosphere, don’t you think? And how is this murder a “Magyar attack?”
Second: In 907, (See John Keegan, A History of Warfare) the entire Bavarian levy (led by Bavarian Margrave and Louis the Child, king of the East Franks, invaded recently-conquered lands in Western and northern Hungary. They hoped to destroy the Hungarians as Charlemagne had destroyed the Avars. They were decisively defeated - inside Hungary. So how is this an attack by the Magyars?
Forgive me for asking, but how is it your sources are so bad? This material is all over the Internet.
13. 6:55. “There, the Magyars suffered their first significant defeat… at Lechfeld.” True. But you fail to answer the obvious question that arises, namely why didn’t Otto go and conquer Hungary?
So, in summary. Despite it appearing as though I’ve torn your piece apart, it’s not bad. You’re fair about a great deal. What is the problem is that you assume the Magyars were nomads and only campaigned for loot, whereas the fact that they made alliances and were attacked in a major way before starting their long-range campaigns shows they had a strategic concept behind their attacks. They didn’t need to “settle” after 955, as archaeology shows clearly that they had farming implements as well as their own iron smelting, and lots of specialist trades including smiths, various clothing and dye-makers, bowyers, wheelwrights and so on and so forth. The idea of nomads just riding in and looting ignores the questions of where they got their saddles, bows, swords, axes, helmets, etc from. I think you’ve done a pretty good job. Hopefully, when better material comes out, you’ll do an even better one!
Thankyou for this very useful analysis. I've learnt a lot since I made this video and I'm going to remake it as soon as I can. When I do, I'll take you comments on board. Any books you could recommend?
You're welcome. Sorry it took so long, but have other things to do! There's this book www.amazon.com/Magyars-Their-life-civilisation/dp/9631342263 , as well as these Pinterest drawings za.pinterest.com/pin/400327854355838974/?lp=true . These are by László Gyula (Hungarian puts surname first) and he was both an artist and an archaeologist, so all his drawings are based on actual finds. I can't say I have found much on the Magyars that's any good that isn't dated. There's this on the Pressburg Battle mek.oszk.hu/18400/18400/18400.pdf or you could look for research papers on a place like Academia Edu: Here are some: www.academia.edu/Documents/in/Pre-Conquest_Ancient_Magyars One additional thing I forgot to mention, which might help: Try to look at the events from the Hungarian point of view as well. It's understandable that a monk in the 9th or 10th C would see only "Magyar attacks", sure, but they also had their reasons and trying to figure that out is useful, I think. How's your German? There is some useful stuff in German, too.
This is the most reasonable reply I have seen so far, proper constructive criticism with cited sources :)
I'M IMPRESSED BY THE PROFESSIONALISM IT'S REFRESHING...
This isn't bad. I'll do a point-by-point critique on it in a while. I hope to do a PhD in this, so hopefully you'll find my comments helpful.
The steppe tribes controlled the blacksea and don route towards scandinavia, always the greeks states where a tool of commerce for them.
The conversion of the Magyars to Western Chrisitianity was everything but gradual. Significant part of them was already montheistic like (de facto) Eastern - Christian (Danube Bulgarian influence) , Muslims (like Volga Bulgars) or even Jewish (like the aristocracy of Kazar Kaghanate). However, it was intruduced as an opressive state building project performed fast and ruthlessly by the leader of the "Megyer" tribe . And the originator was the German Emperor. From the perspective of the Megyer tribe (most probably one of the few of the Finno-Ugric speaking tribes of this confederacy called in this video "Magyars") it was brilliant political move it secured its position and became the ruling elite of a brand new feudal kingdom.
Supprisingly decent content, excluding the maps. Those are mostly wrong, representing panslavic propaganda ;)
That's true. Sad that people who are meant to be scholars are still indulging in nationalist propaganda now.
without Slavs, hungerian tribes would be nothing, only a dirty barbars
@@ivanbajer3693 It's the other way around
@@ivanbajer3693 Slavs had slower economic societal cultural development in that 100 years.
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All europa st there was slavic a little hungarians tribe alliance demolished them😁🏹🏹🏹
Back when Bulgaria was great :")
whatever12
Read history books, kid.
whatever12
So you are happy that bulgarians don't rule Romania now? And .why would they speak russian? Why it would be ashes?
Read books, kid, they show a lot of things.
whatever12
I'm not bulgarian, neither do I am that poor. But indeed im surprised how stupid people are.
But its “Turkic Bulgaria” , Today Bulgarians name came from Turks but their people slavic.(mixed Turks and Slavs)
Alihan Demir Only if you believe bulgars were turkic to begin with.
Bulgaria please :)
The way you put it Hungarians were victorious in 893, 894?
But they werent. They were defeated at Dorostrolum
Templar E-Z I haven't heard about this, and I can't really find any sources, could you tell me where is dorostrolum?
doroston*
Simiaki Videos In 895 AD (during the Bulgarian-Hungarian War of 894-896 AD), the Magyars (Hungarians), allies of Byzantium, besieged the Bulgarian army under the personal command of Tsar Simeon I the Great in the fortress of Drastar (roman:Durostorum, today Silistra)but were repulsed. The next year the Magyars were decisively defeated by the Bulgarians in the extremely fierce Battle of Southern Buh (in today’s Ukraine) which eventually led their tribes to retreat to the west and settle in the region of Pannonia essentially founding today’s Hungary.
for the most part of the invasions of europe, they were victorious. sure, they suffered a few minor defeats, but they were on average the most successful force in europe at the time
@@makhai9429 and no, we were not "forced" to the basin, we wanted to come here because this was the center of Attila's empire and we were here to reclaim it. as simple as that.
the Magyars vs the Vikings
that would be a great battle
Oh yes. Would've been an interesting fight for sure. Though I feel the Magyars would've probably wiped the floor with the Vikings. The Normans on the other hand....
true the Vikings had no real cavalry
if the Magyars were half as mean as the Huns or the Mongols. it'll be over, fear as a weapon.
The Rus vikings literally wiped the Khazar Khanate off the face of the Earth, and the Khazar were far larger and more powerful than the Magyar state.
The Vikings didn't have a lot of luck against the Arabs in their raids the Iberian coast. The Irish kingdoms also held their own against them when both forces were at equal strength.
Thanks for this background information. I know there is controversy concerning the history of the Hungarian people. It is hard for me to believe that those of us Hungarians are purely of Magyar descent. After the defeat and later the death of Attila, not much has been said of the Huns who settled in the plains of Hungary. There has to be some Hunnic blood(genetics) in the Hungarian people. It may also be the western components of Xiongnu were the ancestors of not only the Huns and but also other nomadic people such as the Magyars that later invaded Eastern Europe from the western Steppes of Asia. The names of the people may change due to the mingling of the genetics in the offspring of the conquered with those of their conquerors as well as the assimilation and mixing of culture and language, but are not the Hungarian people the descendands of the Huns and mainly the Magyars? Ultimately, could these two groups possibly be the descendants of the Xiongnu?
Hungarians are not the descendants of the huns, that is an outdated 19th century theory. The only link between the huns and magyars is that the early hungarians had turk alliences.
The definition of the magyar ethnicity:
Magyar is a Finno-Ugric-speaking European population that is the result of a small migration wave from the Ural mountain region to Central Europe, yet remain overwhelmingly European in origin, having assimilated various groups of Roman, Germanic, Slavic, Avar and Turkic groups throughout the centuries. Mostly Catholic with a large irreligious and Protestant minority while belonging predominately to haplogroup R1a and I. Numbering over ten million with a moderate diaspora in the Americas and other regions of Europe.
@@emridan Huns were a big alliance of semi nomadic people from East. Magyars were also an alliance of several tribes. We never really united in genetics, we were united in language, culture, lifestyle and history. Quoting genetics bullshits for such a mixed group of people makes no sense. Magyars fucked everyone in their way most probably, then after XVI. century magyars got fucked by other nations, while due to the continuous migrations we were mixing peacefully as well. This is also valid for most European nations, everyone was fucking everyone, however there were some bigger fucks between certain nations that is for sure.
@@emridan Let this Finno-Ugric language bullshit and look after some serious jobs in the matter like this: th-cam.com/video/Er1--vdE6KY/w-d-xo.html
...And yes, the Scythian lands were between the Uralic and Turkic people. /The Hun connection isn't a 19th century theory btw., the European literature of the middle age is full with it...., although the Hungarians never identify as the descendants of the Huns even if almost every source handle it as a fact. We identify as Hungarians./
It's a little bit misleading to talk about "the Catholic West" or "Roman Catholicism" before the Schism of 1054. Yes, there were political, cultural, and even religious spats between East and West before the Great Schism, but both East and West thought of themselves as Catholic. In a certain sense, that is still true, but it was true in a deeper sense then.
Itt van a magyar komment amit kerestél!
Wow, they were brutal. So were the Magyars ethnically central Asian? It seems there were many instances of eastern tribes/ empires attacking west across the Eurasian Steppe. Are there many cases of the opposite happening?
ashleighuk84 Ancient hungarians belonged to europoid (alföldi turanid, taurid) subrace.
There are no genetic (Y DNA mt.DNA or the most important Autosomal DNA) prrofs for any relationship with turkic and central Asian turanian fantasy nations. However unlike the Hungarians, the Eastern Slavic people still have mongoloid (aka yellow slanted-eyed or "turanic") genetic markers. Alföldi is not a Hungarian but neo-Cumanian type,
Ha valakit a Duna-Tisza köze és a kunság népessége érdekel (román szerb szlovák albán migrációk, és a kunok kiirtása) olvassátok ezt a cikket a török hódoltság résztol: www.nyest.hu/renhirek/kunok-legyunk-vagy-magyarok
Az Alföld a legkevésbé etnikailag magyar terület, a síkság miatt itt volt a legnagyobb a tatár és török genocidium aránya is. Rengeteg balkáni és keleti nép jött keveredett. Mondhatjuk, hogy oseik a magyarság sorstragédiáinak haszonélvezoi, azaz Muhi és Mohács nélkül oseik nem vándorolhattak volna be Magyarországra. Képletesen ok Batu és Szulejmán "unokái". Természetesen ok nem tehetnek errol, ezen írás nem is hibáztatja oket ezért. Az írás azért született hogy végre rendet lehessen tenni sötét fejekben.
No, ancient hungarians were a mix of eastern european races.
Nowadays Hungarian are slavic and jews mixed no more pure Magyar and they speak language related to Fin and Estonian. Magyars were one of nomadic steppe tribe came out of the east probably in central Asia.
Brutal: see Otto I. You innocent lambs.
That map of Bulgaria is so LOL.
The Finno-Ugric theory was formed by Non Magyars and was a political maneuver by the Habsburg Monarchy to discourage Magyar unity and to severe all ties with their true ancestral past.
The most recent ethnographic and archeological evidence of several hundred grave sites speak differently.
What Non Hungarians don't know is the fact that the Magyars are the descendants of the Scytho-Sarmatian (Szittya) people who were Caucasian but Non-Indo-European. The Huns, Avars and Magyars were all part of the Steppe culture and way of life.
The Finno-Ugric theory is false, it has been debunked. Its not accepted nor taught by Finns so why do the western dilettantes continue to push a dead-end explanation about a people they know next to nothing about?
Spirit Warrior Scythians and Sarmatians are Indo Europeans Iranic peoples
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Szittya, Szkíta, Saka, were later also called Hunnu, Kun, Hun and later Apar and Avar. All were steppe horse warrior peoples sharing a similar culture and belonging to various political confederations. They also spoke many language's example: Ancient Sogdian, Ancient Turkish, Ural-Altaic, Indo-Aryan etc, etc.
Spirit Warrior they are Iranic peoples by ORIGIN what is that you don’t understand
Spirit Warrior was Árpád Sarmatian origin ?
Spirit Warrior SCYTHIANS, a nomadic people of Iranian origin
www.iranicaonline.org/articles/scythians
www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Anthropology/Scythian/scythians.htm
www.britannica.com/topic/Scythian
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians
do you want me send more real source REAL SOURCE
Bulgaria in Petrograd on the first map????
Everyone pronounces the word 'magyar' wrongly. :( It isn't Mag - yaar, it's 'madyar'
Renáta Béres
We persians say "Majar"
@@shapurthegreat8314 It means "brave people" in persian right?
Most people of Europe are from central Asia
I would say nearly all.
Stephen?
István in Hungarian. Altough he changed his name only after converting the country (through brute force by the way, but different times you know). His original name was Vajk.
Almos [Aalmosh]
No Stephen the Great. He was Saint Stephen. Saint of both the western and the estern Cristhian Curch, which is a uniq thing. Actually the Hungarian kings had an exceptional status amogst the kings.
Absolutely true.
Very few knows, because if it was well known people would probably asked the question: WHY ?
And that is dangerous…., right ?
@@lajosnagy6356 Questions are dangerous, becouse our science has no answers.
Y R1A1 Arpad dynasty. Madyar tribal confederation.
You could do some research on the site of Institute of Hungarian Research and redo a video about the Arpads. By the way there was no 150 years Khazar ruling over Hungarians and the pechenegues did not kick them out . In Hungarian schools students learn this silly Khazar ruling and that the magyars run to the Carpathian basin while the pechenegues kicked their ass. So many false info. Imagin a strong group, who was extreamly strong even in the coming centuries was kicked in on their ass to the Carpathian basin by who? Who were they again? Barely heard of these people. Oh yes! Pechenegues. You definately heared a lot about the magyars unlike the pechenegues, because they were so powerful. To top it research shows that the magyars moved to the Carpathian basin within a few years" time. Could be even 1-2 year's time. Most likely they arrived to help their brothers the Avars to make the Carphatian basin strong again, the west end of the steppe region. Arpad came to reclaim the heritage of Attila.
It's nice of you to call king Stephen 'the Great', even tho he is considered as one of the two most sucessful kings of the 11# century (the other being László the Chivalrious) the only king in hungarian history referred to as Great was Lajos (Luis Anjou) son of the also very capable Károly Róbert (Caroberto). In Hungarian history they are referred to as the Anjou dynasty, but in truth they were a sidebranch of the royal Capet dynasty of France, holding the provice of Anjou and the Kingdom of Naples at the time. (14# century)
They had also Turul blood flowing in the veins, otherwise they could not become Hungarian kings at the time.
This is well known
I can't believe i m directly related to the prince arpad
What the Magyar look like? Light skin Iranian? White? Asian?
Today: as any european ,1000 years ago: basically the same with a hint of asian traits
Árpád Grand Prince of the Hungarians Fejedelem
30th Great Grandfarther
It's "ma-jars" not "magg yars"
its wrong. in Lecfeld were 3 chiefs only Súr, Lél and Bölcs. The complet Hungarian army was at home. The E.Francia- Hungary war happened in Pressburg at 907. ad. we total destroyed the enemy.
Bölcs? Wasn't he called Bulcsu?
just one little important detail: from 1526(battle of Mohacs) to 1918, the name Hungary has dissapeared from the map of Europe , it has appeared again in 1867 as part of the austro-hungarian empire.
,, the name Hungary has disappeared from the map of Europe'' only for those who can't read
Yeah Hungary still existed nominally between 1526 and 1687, in various guises. Royal Hungary, Transylvania and whatnot.
Thereafter since Hungary in its entirety was part of the Habsburg domains, it was still quite clearly a geographical and in some senses political entity. It's a little different to say Poland which was partitioned between three separate great powers and spent 125 years fractured and with little to no political autonomy.
Hungary was always an autonomous political entity, except between 1849-1867, it had it's own legislature, institutions, tax system, judiciary system, sometimes, even armed forces, so not really.
As far as i know even during Ottoman occupation Hungary wasn't fully annexed and kept a degree of autonomy.
Technically yes, they were 2, sometimes 3 states Outside of the Ottoman ocuupied parts. The western part, which became a buffer state of the Holy Roman Empire, while it retained it's considerable autonomy, and legal system, the Principality of Transylvania, which was kept as a vassal state similary to the 2 Romanian principalities, because Suleiman didn't want to waste energy, and resources on keeping them in line, and there was Thököly's realm, which lived for about 7 years, and was a vassal of the Porte.
The majority, of the central parts were however directly controlled and turned into Vilajets( sorry if I mispronounced it) these areas were integrated into the empire. In fact the plains became desertified under the rule of the Spahis' rule.
I love Hungarians, i always respect them, loves from Turkey
bishap global86 Me!? Why? 😢
bishap global86 Hungarians and Turks are the same but Turks were way more successful
I thought that you like correct history. This content is totally wrong !
hungarians aren't turks
+bishap global86
You can only speak for yourself.
0:56 - No, the Magyars were an Finn-Ugric people that very likely came from around the area of western Urals, meaning Eastern Europe, not Central Asia.
I just said they came from the same steppe :)
Have you read this paper? doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794/1/Neparaczki_PhD.pdf
It would seem that the Magyars were not Finno-Ugric. According to this new study, not one out of the 89 conqueror genomes that were sequenced had Finno-Ugric admixture. The Magyar tribes consisted of a couple of distinct populations: 40% had East-Asian (Hunnic) origin, another 40% had Germanic (Ostrogothic) origin, 6.7% matched with the modern populations of the Caucasus and the Near East, and the rest were undetermined but were also of East or West European origin.
This means the Hungarian language was already being spoken in the Carpathian Basin prior to the conquest, most likely by the Avars, who had been there for over 300 years. It would explain how such a comparatively small population of conquerors managed to get an entire nation speaking the language by the 11th century (Avar graveyards from this time had about 600-1000 graves, while the Magyar graveyards usually only had on average 40-50 graves), namely, that they didn't, and instead adopted the language of the host nation. The historical precedents are numerous (e.g. Varangians, Bulgars, Normans, Visigoths, etc.). The conquering Magyars most likely spoke a Turkic language originally, and the Avars spoke a Proto-Hungarian language, which, after the collapse of their Khaganate, became highly influenced by Slavic, as there was also a massive Slavic population moving into Pannonia at the time, evolving over time into Old Hungarian (Hungarian has just as many Slavic loanwords as it does Uralic words). This would also explain the huge Turkic layer in Hungarian.
There's also the Szarvas inscription, which is a Rovas-like inscription on a bone needle case found in an Avar grave dated to the second half of the 8th century (over 100 years before the conquest) and has been translated into Hungarian, suggesting once again that the Avars spoke Hungarian, not the conquering Magyars.
Of course, more evidence is needed to confirm this theory, but what we have so far is pretty compelling stuff.
I can't read Hungarian, but if so, it is interesting as a hypothesis. However, as you said, further research is needed as what you stated is still just sporadic leads that are inconclusive. For now, historiography states the Magyars to be Finno-Ugric, their relations and connections with the other, neighboring Turkic tribes is obviously clear, but there is far more arguments in favor of the current theory than the opposite.
For example, if your theory is true, then *how the hell did Friar Julian communicate with eastern Magyar tribes* in Ugro-Finnic Hungarian when he traveled to the eastern steppes in the 13th century? That does not make any sense, as those Magyar tribes traveled eastwards into Asia instead of westwards and met no Avars or anyone else Finno-Ugric there.
Basically everything so far states them as being Finno-Ugric.
It seems to me that the modern Hungarian silly relation with Turanism is at fault here.
Diomedes I agree with what you are saying and I think so too. But I am not 100% sure if the Magyars originally spoke a Turkic language as there was that case of that famous Hungarian priest traveller (forgot his name, he has an article on Wikipedia) from the 1200s I think it was, where he left Hungary on a mission to find the Magyars much further east that remained in their homeland and never came into Europe. That priest said that those Magyars spoke the same language as them - and this was after roughly 300 years or even 400 years of seperation between the European Magyars and their kin in the east
Friar Julian :)
They drank horse milk????
Oh my god
Male horse milk
@@historyrhymes1701 Thats fucking gay. You are such an asshole lol
Well, that was 'kumisz' fermented horse milk
delicious........
@@historyrhymes1701 talking the slavized turk :D
Great informative video here. Even today 'Hungarians' do not refer to themselves as such, but Magyar. I also wonder if there's some confusion with the Magyars and Huns.
Andrew Jenery yes there is. The Hun in hungarian comes from some wester scholars in the middle ages who at the time thought magyars were huns, but it was a misconception. Magyars are actually not related to huns.
Just gave a genuine 'thumbs up', but disagree slightly with the last part. Magyars were loosely related to the huns in a similar way to how the Normans were loosely related to the vikings.
Andrew Jenery yes. i always use relate in a very strict sennse, cos germans are related to bantus in a sense.
The important thing is that the Hum part is based on a misconception. Fun fact: the hungarian gene pool today is closer to the austrian than the finnish
'Magyar' was the name of the most prominent Onogur tribe, the one that Arpad originated from.
Had no idea about this, thanks for interesting factor.
Magars of Nepal are related with Magyars
Very well might be
What's that area intruding into Hungarian territory from the Rus in the northeast? What's the date of that map? Rus never crossed the Carpathians which were the natural borders of Hungary. Maybe you want to indicate that Russia invaded Hungary in WWII and kept that territory for Ukraine, who call it Zakarpattia?
I like your videos, however i'd like to point out that i find your usage of the term "nation state" in a medieval context utterly wrong. Nation states would not appear until the XIXth century. Of course all of them would claim to be the descendants of medieval or even ancient political entities but this is just that - pretending for legitimacy and claiming territories occupied by "newer" and therefore "less legitimate" neighbours.
Árpád > Ragnar
because Árpád is real
DarkKing009 so ragnar never existed?
Saint Stephen. Not Stephen the Great...
Despite being a western documentary, surprisingly accurate-ish.
If magyars were kicked into one of the most fertile and most defendable(against large scale invasion) land by the stronger pecheneghs, how come these nomads settled in within just a few years like they were coming home?
How come in 907 a mere 10 years after arriving they crushed an overpowering international army lead by Bavaria.
After the Battle of Pressburg, first time a western soldier stepped on Hungary was when they were coming as a royal escort with queen Gisela....
Also heavy cavalry was no match to the light hungarian riders they were easyly outmanouvered. Otto won because the high command was invited to negotiate and he captured and executed them.
Oh the double settlement theory, I was looking for this
Istixx92 can you explain these "anomalies" without magyars having a supportive background in the basin tho(not to mention literally ALL the chronicles report that Árpád's people came as they arrived home, and were greeted as brothers)?
Or maybe you are being sarcastic coz its so hip?
I can't disagree with the theory, because, I'm not well read in early medieval Hungarian history, I'm more interested in the modern era. From what I know the theory is academically debated but it has not yet been disproved, just some historians doubt it, so I was kind of sarcastic.
It is quite possible that there were already some Magyar communities, which made settling easier, some even claim that the Seklers are descendants of the first invasion of the basin.
Heavy armour and heavy cavalry was a problem for you in that particular battle because as far as i know you were fighting in a narrow choke between two rivers where lightly armoured mobile troops can't function as intented.
It is also said, that it rained on the day of the battle, which rendered their bows useless, which took the strongest weapon of the Magyars away.
Hungary rulez
that dreadful music is very fitting at the start
I m from Hungarya
Hungarians came into Europe hot.
The way he pronounces Magyars hurts my ears.
köszönjük
MAGYAR = SZKITA ! ! ! *
:)
I'm so heartbroken to tell you, that you were using sources dating back to 19th century historians. As of now, we know that Hungarian armies pillaged the countryside as any marauding cavalry army would have done it, but the gold they carried home were usually a price for their services given by a local rebellious liege lord or the emperor himself.
So they were different to the barbarian incursions of 5-6th century as they had no political agenda. They were "only" the most fearsome unbeatable mercenaries of the time, like one of today's most popular football teams.
And also the maps you were using didn't always resemble the situation you were talking about. Google image search "Levédia" and "Etelköz" please for example. Also after the battle at Pozsony Hungary's western border was the river Enns for almost a century. In Hungarian language the german "Ober-enns-ia" still means a land unknown and far away, though only a little portion of the population knows about the origin of the word. :)
Arpad was Onogur Turk
Probably, Turkic people had a great influence over many people
@@gigixxii2228 Then how am i, a TURK related to his dynasty YDNA wise, and over 40%! (according to dna tests).
Αnd Οtto defeated them in Lechenfield and they became "good guys". They even were Furhers most loyal ally -and still are. That's why everyone loves them now.
Germans are no brothers of Hungarians. In fact, except for the World Wars and the period before the Great War, for centuries, the Germans did everything in their power to undermine Hungary.
This "defeated" was very little.
At the necrologs,and other sources didnt said """big victory""",its only for 'battle for hungarians' otto was a big joker at media in medieval.
The battle s result do thanksful to traitors(!) .
Otzo was a big winner that party, because his big enemy Conrad,died the battle by hungarian arro🏹
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oki doki.. Mostly accurate. Your video making a suggestion about the origins of Hun, Magyars, Avars, Alans ... yes, in today Hungarian history they considered related, but not directly, let say like older cousins, not ancestors .... and just a small warning for you : in short time the ignorant Romanians will attack this video. They have a delusional 2000 year old false legend about Transylvania . Tha false official history until today have nothing to say about , Pechenegues, the powerful Bulgarian empire, or the 1000 year old Hungarian Transylvanian history.
Hungarian studies dont claim any connection, except the fact that we had similar lifestyles and lived next to each other.
@@emridan time to update your knowledge: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920
the last map showing the kingdoms is not accurate at all. But good video overall.
Also, Otto won because the high command was invited to negotiate and he captured and executed them.
And no the armor was not a problem for the Magyar weaponry.
And neither the Finn-ugoric or the Hunnic origin is 100% proved, they are both Theories!!! NOT Proven
Also the Magyars were not subordinates of the Khazars.
What proof do you have about your last statement?
Michele Vogliardi Iam Hungarian, and because of that iam well informed of our history and of the forces that shaped our history in the past.
For non hungarian speaking people there are little translated sources to work with, and usually these sources are questionable.
Magyars were never subdued or been subjects to anyone. But we were in alliances with nations that were similar to us. One example of this is the blood covenant.
Now regarding the last statement.
We were in an alliance with the Kazar's,strengthened by marrige and after some time there was a power strugle/dispute, between the Magyars and the Kazar's. This resulted in us magyars leaving, joined by the Kabars.
This dispute was grossly magnified by certain historians. Thats all
"certain historians" mean the dominant part of the Hungarian historian community.
Besides, how can you 100% prove a people's origin?
I have to admit I am no expert in pre-István history, but from what I learnt, it is quite posible that we were subordinates of the Khazars, sinde they were a dominant power at that time in that region, where we were also settled. I don't understand why would it not be so.
I really don't like when nationalistic pride distorts our view on history.
Besides your argument of being Hungarian does not explain anything, you could be terribly misinformed for all we know. And as a Hungarian myself I'm sure that pre-invasion Magyar-Khazar relations are not exactly common knowledge.
Istixx92 just because they are the most loudest that does not mean they are right.
Listen I dont want to argue,so I wont reply anymore, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But I dont like to nit pick facts.
If you are a hungarian and you did a substantial digging into our history and the influence of politics on our history,than you would take everything with a grain of salt
that is right, you should have to be critical in every sources, or theories, and then I won't argue either
My direct YDNA ancestor, Arpad, ties genetic tests to Scythian King Ügyek. Confirmed with my direct ties to the Scottish clan Drummond then to the Girardi Von Castell family changed to Gerardi in Italy. Arpad dynasty member from George then younger branches.
Then we are related, i am, YDNA wise 40% related to Arpad Dynasty. I am a turk, from northeast anatolian and have ancestors from caucasian region. Funny enough, i am also related to many scottish clans, but arent from anywhere near Scotland :D
@@YaverMemolibaba Correction: Girardi von Castell are not related to the Árpád dynasty. The rest is correct to my knowledge. Greetings, if you have Scottish/Irish relatives then you maybe a relative to an Árpád member involved in the crusades if it goes through the middle eastern region. We are going to have to arrange a grand meeting to restart the dynasty. HU52 has to show up on your YDNA if not then you may be a distant branch from Árpád himself from the Khazarian Royal court. Also you have to be related to the Rurik dynasty of Kievan Rus because the Árpád dynasty from Hungary intermarried with them through Svetlana of Kiev.
@@cristianwaters2190 I am related YDNA wise to, DA243 and DA162, both of them before Arpáds, maybe hes ancestors. Attilas grandson Edemen, are grandfather to Àlmos, i now Attila died around 453, sample DA243 are from around 485-495, and they are both described as Alan or Alanic kurgan graves (in my view alanic are identic to scythian), found around caucaus, and people of high rank, cause of the findings of jewelry and such. I am still related to almost every scottish clan ever, and to a crusader too, SI53, found i castle in Sidon, from around 1250, with lombard/Tuscan roots, and somehow also related to the scots. He (SI53) apperantly had ancestry in north italy, lombardy, in someplace called Dodacanese and related to one CL30, finding from around 580AD, and this CL30 are related to Clan Armstrong and german royals Lippe-Detmolds, and here i tought i was a simple guy :)
@@YaverMemolibaba ok, I have several Royal families just on my paternal YDNA line. My mother's Paternal line is Greek Nobility. I have them listed on my YDNA line. Do you have Drummond Clan? My YDNA (RM269) has a similar chain to Clan Drummond where George/György son of King Andrew/András I of Hungary started in Scotland. Ok, you may want to match your chain. It could be a match with House of Cröy (a maternal branch to Árpád dynasty). House of Cröy have many members around Russia. House of Anjou Capet and House of Jagiellon are the other maternal Houses. Attila is not directly related to the Árpád dynasty because the line goes to a Scythian leader called Bartatua. There is an Assyrian DNA marker connected to the Assyrian princess to King Esarhaddon (when they were allied). Further back, there is an ancient Egyptian marker to Pharaoh Ramesses the 3rd (one of the illegitimate daughters were given to the Celtic ancestor of Árpád). Correction: Predslava of Kiev is the daughter of the Rurik dynasty married to Álmos. I do have Viking DNA listed.
@@YaverMemolibaba Attila is not direct related. He is a maternal cousin to Árpád. Most likely through a Central Asian Mongolian relative through the Khazarian Royal court. I know because Attila is not Celtic. Nevertheless, there is a maternal connection. It may be through Csaba's wife - Emese (Arcsala of Emese). I do have Central Asian and Mongolian DNA on my YDNA.
A back check of who was Stephan the Great would be good! Nothing to do with the Maghiars.
He was the grandson of Árpád. He was as magyar as it can get. And before you start, no, his name was not "Voicu" his name was Vajk, Voicu is only how it was translated to romanian.
You are a moron...
Lol
What this comment suggests made my day 😂😂😂
The name "Hungary" I belive, comes from other clans of steppe people that settled panonia before the magyars. Everyone just kept calling them hungary.
Hungary the name came from "on ugor" which means "ten arrow" . Ongur-ungor-hungar or something like that. But we call ourself Magyar! Older version Madjar-Madar-Mada?!
"Magyar and Hunor are two brothers" ... Book of Legends...:)
Scythians, Sarmatians and Alans were Iranic peoples, not "Persian", but related...Ossetians are the remnants of the Alans who live in Present day, Georgia and Ukraine...
and by the way, "Islamic source" is a rather vague and stereotypical term....you could be more specific, like which book, in which language or when?...
This is merely a brief introduction, not a definitive account :) I do usually name my sources but there's a lot to take in with this one. Not everybody is familiar with all of the players let alone the historians/contemporary witnesses. However I've taken your comment on board and I'll make sure to name sources in future vids.
The Karachays and Balkars among others are also descendants of Alans.
Today Hungarian people migrate from Asia and their ancestors is Uralo-Altaic.
That's why back in the day and today , the Hungarians looked and look Asian......
@@blueeyed5074 I dont know if its sarcasm but its the opposite, noone looks asian in Hungary. And did not looked asian either, prooven by period artwork.
The avarage Hungarian face:
pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hungarianwoman.jpg
I have a citaten.It is from Roman Z.You can find it on the youtube.I am a history teacher.I saw a lot of things connecting with the Magyar history,but a lot of things was not clear till I found that the youtube video.Roman Z wrote the following:"As a nation, Kazan Tatars are a great mixture of peoples (they say the very name "Bulgar" means "mixed") and officially consist of two major subgroups:
1-st subgroup of Volga Tatars: western Mishars (Mazhars-Meshchera) - remnants of turko-ugric Magyars (Magyars were originally Turkic tribe from north Kazakhstan who mixed with Ugrians coming from northerly Perm region). These Mishars also absorbed a number of local warlike scytho-sarmatian Burtasses (Beehive Alans / Ossetians) and Suasses (River Alans / Ossetians) who lived along Volga basin - that's why they have a lot of paternal R1a group. The dominant were Turkic (Qipchak) speaking Magyar tribe (Magyar tribe of north Kazkahstan are quite mongoloid) and their language is a modern western Tatar (Mishar) dialect. 80% of Tatars who live in Moscow are mainly Mishars. Mishars also have some admixture from Volga Finns (Mordvin related tribe) evident in birch-shoes / birch weaven artefacts.
2-nd subgroup of Volga Tatars: eastern Kazan Tatars (Bulgars proper) who are the dominant group. It is believed that Bulgars were originally also a Scytho-Sarmatian tribe, later tatarized / turcosized. Thats why many Tatars have pure European look and paternal R1a goup (Tatar women clothing is very similiar to Gilakis of north Iran and Lemkos of Ukraine, all of same scytho-sarmatian stock), while others have mongoloid features (from invading Ugrian & Turco-Magyar tribes in 8th cen., and later again 12th cen from powerful Mongol invasion who formed Golden Horde centered on Volga.
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Modern Russia (originally Muscovite tsardom) is often regarded as successor of Golden horde politically. But ethnically and genetically just Russians of Ivanovo and Ryazan regions (historic Meshchera, original home of Mishar Tatars) are related to Mishar Tatars (and Hungarians themselves, having the most similar genetic Slavic-Mishar pool).
Modern Hungary, however was inhabited by Slavic tribes (Great Moravia) before arrival of turco-ugrian Magyars (Mazhars) from Volga, these Pannonian Slavs never moved but became part of Hungarian nation. Thats why they look European.
Similiar case was in Bulgaria where Volga Bulgars settled too mixing with Slavs and adopting their language. Otherwise said -original Bulgarians are related to eastern Tatars (Bulgars), while original Hungarians are related to western Tatars (Mishars / Mozhars).
Ukrainains too absorbed much of Qipchak culture by assimilating Torks (bearers of Ukrainian last name Torchenko are clear mongoloids) and many Cumans (much evident in cossack culture) related tribes of Qipchak tongue, as Ukrainian Crimean Tatars speak same Qipchak tongue as Kazan Tatars).
That is why light mongoloid features are found among many Ukrainians, Hungarians, Russians.
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Paternal genetics: Tatars have haplogroups I, J2, G and plenty of R1a (Scytho-Sarmatian / East Slavic) and even."I think that the Magyars are in relationship with the bolgars and both nations ancestors are the Huns,and the bolgars and tha magyars originallay turkish tribes.
@@lajos8285 You are still wrong.
First of all, I highly doubt you are a teacher. You can barely speak english. Also a history teacher with years of studying behind his back would not change his mind becouse of some video on the internet just like that.
Secondly you are not even aware of the most recent studies. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7
It clearly shows that the Árpád dinasty did not have asian ancestors. They had r1a haplogroup, skeletal structure also busted the possibility of they being asians.
Aslo hungarians are not looking european becouse of slavs, they looked similar back then too. I have direct and indirect proofs:
Indirect - Asian genes are dominant in fenotype, if a group of asians would've came here, it would be inpossible to have those traits disappeard by this relatively short time.
Direct - The studies of Dr Neparaczki Endre showed that the first Magyars were a mixed group only with 40% of them having any kind of asian genes.
Manuscript illuminations also show mostly european looking people when hungarians depicted.
There are no such thing as Turko-Uralic. Just becouse you shorten two words and put an "-" between them it doesn't make that legit. You mention a ROMANIAN youtube video as a source. It is called pseudo-science.
@@emridan I don't want to disappoint you, but you should improve your English too!
A Magyar nyelv - language -
Miért van kikapcsolva ? ? ? *
:)
Annak a nemzetnek a nyelve ,
hiányzik..európa közepén -
amely legalabb háromszor védte meg európát - a teljes pusztulástól ! *
Ez az a nép , aki miatt dél 12 -
hur - harang szól...a templomokban , bazilikákban !