Yes, and with combination with seasonal chemical heat storage capable of storing summer heat for winter use for example from european universities as TU Eindhoven or ETH Zurich. We already have technologies for painless energy transition. (heat is orders of magnitude harder problem then powering electronics)
@@petehoney1 instead sending energy right to loads that need it. Let's use that energy to produce something that will store energy, then send it to loads that need it.
Prices of battery storage and solar each fall 80-90% every decade, anyone who understands the implications of this knows that fossil fuels have no long term ability to compete economically with solar + batteries.
Great report but I wish Viking would compute numbers on a percapita basis when comparing nations or states. It's really frustrating to analytical professionals when he blithely compares battery storage, etc., in Australia to the US or China, or even the two latter to each other. You have no sense of scale or rate of adoption, just a jumble of meaningless numbers. Australia is a tiny little country! We learn nothing when you show a graph where China and US are way up in capacity and Australia is a thin line at the very bottom. But do the Math Sam. Multiply by 15 and you get an informative graph. Duh! I'm very frustrated because this is one of very, very few sources of reliable information on the subjects of EVs, batteries, etc. I guess he's trying to not get too technical for a lay audience. Okay. But a little tweak here and there wouldn't hurt. Great Channel!
@@grantbuttenshaw Lithium based batteries are still too expensive, prices need to be 1/10th of what they are now to be more affordable for most people.
Energy production has to be local... very local... trucking in coal, piping gas and whatever else from thousands of km away is insane... trucking oil all around the country to fuel stations is also insane
Also remember the proposition that: if all the oil/natural gas/coal use ceased, then HALF of the (also fossil fuelled) ships would cease to be used. HALF.
Great vid. I used to be a regular viewer until one too many, 'perpetual-motion machines' and 'Game-changing, free limitless power' episodes meant I couldn't trust your output anymore.
Hi Sam. I recommend Sungrow LFP house battery modules for your solar array. Each module is 3.2 kWh and you buy only what you need. We started with 3 modules then added 2 more. We got them from an outfit in Brisbane (they ship all over Australia).
Following Australia, the Global South will join this movement, especially as prices continue to drop, and short circuit the projections for continued fossil fuel consumption. Electrification of vehicle fleets will continue apace. Already, oil is peaking around 100MB/day instead of climbing past 110-120MB/day as forecast a few years ago. Good news for the climate and great news for poorer nations.
We see it in the renewable energy market as well (as a renewable energy developer) that interest in BESS is increasing rapidly for a number of reasons, grid stability, peak usage, resilience etc. etc. etc.
They already are, but with transmission lines as well. Lookup the One Sun, One World, One Grud initiative seeking to join up the global sun belt countires to be a global powerhouse. Grids will still be require for commercial and industrial needs, even if domestic home generates.
@@GruffSillyGoat There are millions of people for whom it would be too expensive to string transmission lines. They would never use enough electricity to pay for the cost. Those people are being serviced by "micro-solar". Small, standalone systems that provide basic electricity and can be paid for over a year or so with the money they would have otherwise spent for lamp oil, candles, and disposable batteries. There are millions of micro-solar systems now in place.
I still remember Australia's greatest embarrassment scott Morrison saying the first big battery here in South Australia was a gimmick like a big banana
ScoMo was/is a clown, but he wasn't necessarily wrong about the Hornsdale battery. In the last year, battery storage (all of it, not just the Hornsdale battery) has provided only 0.2% of demand on the national grid, and in SA a little more at 0.9%. The Hornsdale battery provides grid stability services to counter short term fluctuations, and some backup power reserve in the case of system failures (so they can start their gas plants if the grid goes down again), but in terms of general energy storage, it's insignificant (but you wouldn't know it from the hype at the time), and was a huge PR stunt for Elon Musk....
MORON-SON is his real name when the Aussie had the dream of they wanna their own version of the American version of "ding don Dumps." What are you expecting?
It's not as embarrassing as the mining company that detonated those aboriginal cave paintings that were tens of thousands of years old though. Or the shameful number of drop bear fatalities every year...
and don't forget Abbots "The internet is just a glorified gaming system" On Scomo - why would a tongue talker care about the earth - he is about to be raptured
Im invested in FLNC, backlog grew by over $4billion last quarter, now has in excess of $20 billion of deployment in backlog (and its growing quarter over quarter). Growing so fast that they can't keep up with demand, despite increasing supply (coming on line end of 24). I think this could be a multibagger as along with the installation comes servicing (which has only just started to ramp up)... i wish them well, i think this is a no brainer for business (especially data centres) as not only does it act as a back up but provides a means to reduce energy costs over the longer term.
I have always wondered - why not cover these batteries with solar panels, as they have started doing on some car lots ? They would provide shade and help keep them cool as well more square footage for solar
When will these new battery techs come to my power tools? No one talks about these. Examples: Leaf Blower, Drill, Chain Saw, etc.? I had to self upgrade my Ryobi riding mower from lead acid to LFP and the difference was vast. Looking at Milwaukee tools, DeWalt etc. These batteries are very expensive, heavy and slow charging. Please look into these. And strangely, most are made in China. Love your work and all the good you do for humanity!
Come back when every single existing roof and canopy has been solarized. Batteries taking space? Come backwhen every single office tower, factory, and housing complex has a few shipping container sized batteries in their underground infrastructure beside the loading docks etc.
Good episode Mr Viking. I was going to comment that you needed to show per capita…but they he did, well done. And glad / surprised to see UK with the front runners. One other advantage is that decentralised units need less transmission costs. Another, when a huge coal power station goes down for maintenance it has a very significant effect. Not so with batteries. I would have liked to see data / graphs that also included hydro storage. I feel here in Scotland we should be building 10x the number of hydro we presently have ( Norway 9p kWh, here 27p!) but wonder if by the time they would be built batteries actually cheaper.
I love this channel and enjoy the up-to-date information about EV‘s solar power and all things electric. It is disheartening and frightening to know that despite all of our efforts to increase renewable energy, it has not decreased the rate of petroleum production one bit. It seems that no matter what energy we develop and how clean it is, it will not satisfy our insatiable need for power/energy. I do not believe we should not develop these technologies however, if we ignore the continued increase usage of fossil fuels disaster will be set us as we drive our EV down the road. This is a sobering, reality that we cannot ignore
EV's are increasingly cheaper to buy and much cheaper to run, with virtually no maintenance requirements. ICE vehicles will rapidly die out as they equally rapidly wear out.
Why do none of these battery installations have solar panels over the batteries? It makes sense to solve one of the biggest problems with battery storage, heat, with panels that can provide extra power directly to the batteries below. At our local Coles they built solar panel roofs over the parking lot. It looks good, the cars stay cool and out of the rain, and the centre is powered.
Just done some maths added up all the kw hours from the battery storage plants you talked about around the world and just powered the UK only the power would last about 30 mins
Domestic storage pricing in GB seems to be stuck high. Online can buy 1kWh of li-ion Ph for about GBP 250.00, but you'd be paying like GBP 10,000 for 12kWh installed. Really need smart plug add and go, but the fuse boxes all need a major upgrade redesign to let you ad-hoc add storage, as you feel.
Your numbers are way high. For reference, the Tesla PW3 is giving 13KWh for 5K GBP base, extras + install + ship on top so that's aprx 7K gross. But this is the high-end: a Victron + Pylontecs would be much less for a perfectly decent system. The gotcha is cost/availability of good installers, and you almost certainly need some physical bashing/cutting /re-concreting which is a big extra.
Good on you Sam, please keep telling your battery storage news to the world. Knowledge like this can also turn into a wealth making story - would you believe a ASX listed company had built a solid-state battery using table salt, therefore much cheaper when comparing with your lithium-ion battery and its share is only selling for 4 cents each.
As part of my house renovation will be covering the roof in slate styled solar (looks incredible), and will be combining with a battery pack. Will ensure uninterrupted power to the house and will save me money not only on my EV but also as a means to draw energy from the grid at night (when not charging the car) at significant discounts. Why this isn't mandated in the UK is beyond me, we currently have huge offshore wind farms and produce nearly 40% of our electricity from renewables, localised means to store energy generated at night is a no brainer.
For perspective, 56 gigawatts is 0.2% of the global energy demand. One would imagine we'd need to get up to around 30-50 percent for batteries to be making some kind of impact on a global level. Assuming 10 hours of sun, that's 42 percent of 24 hours. So, the road ahead is long.
The road is long. But we now have the road. We have a way to travel that will get us off fossil fuels and help keep extreme climate change lower than what it otherwise would have become.
@@plinbleyou gotta remember that the batteries would only last 20 years so after that point they would be replacing everything. Anyone that thinks we can run a grid off of renewables and batteries are misinformed. The big tech companies thought that would be an idea that could work. Now they are all investing in nuclear. If they have run the numbers and realized they can't even reliably run a data center off of renewables and batteries we should really be questioning the idea of running a grid that way. Those companies are DATA companies with some of the best data analysis people in the world working for them. The people pushing these ideas are finance people with large investments in the companies that make and install renewables and storage. They are only looking for the highest return on investment.
For the last few years I have had a 4kW solar panel set up with a 10kWh battery and 3kW off grid inverter that I can be off grid with for around 9 months of the year. The problem isn't the storage the problem is getting the energy in the first place during bad weather and during the three months centered on Christmas due to living in Scotland where we pretty much get 18 hours of darkness at the Winter solstice. I added a wind turbine to try to get some power during the Winter but that is pretty much useless as the wind isnt reliable either at that time of year. Solar and wind simply can't hack it and most people don't live in places with lots of hydro.
The pictures you showed had a lot of vertical relief in the distance around the flat agricultural land. Looks like an ideal location for off-river pumped storage. The technology is off-the-shelf and I understand that the great advantage of off-river pumped storage is its efficiency, its huge power capacity and the ability to store power over much longer periods than is the case with batteries. And such facilities don't have to be adjacent to wind or solar farms. That is what the grid is for. You put each facility in the location which is best for it. A bit of battery capacity is probably a good thing because it is even better than hydro in instantly stabilizing the frequency and voltage of a grid but surly the real grunt work would be better left to pumped storage.
We need to start building solar array, near the sun and being Angie back to earth. It would not be a waste of money once we start it and it’ll be way easier than building a Dyson spear.
The world used oil lamps before electricity was made widely available - and we'll go BACK to using oil lamps when the Green Energy and Net Zero policies make electricity, once again, a thing of the past.
At a very basic level, one can buy a lantern with an attached solar panel that will charge it during the day and provide light at night. These cost less than $10.
@@bobwallace9753 I bought a small flashlight with a solar panel and a hand crank electric generator as back up, online directly from China, the price includes shipping for about US$4. Some people wonder why it can be so cheap, but from a manufacturing point of view, it is just plastic and minerals which are dirt cheap to begin with. The question should be why is it being sold so expensively in USA?
NIO is a leader when it comes to battery storage. TESLA as well though I don't see them scaling especially in China, with the President there investing money into the Asian market.
One benefit that many may not appreciate is that our part of California has gone from the usual six smog “spare the air” days to one this past summer. More EVs and battery storage may eliminate all spare the air days.
Excellent video, Sam. It’s worth mentioning that the “exponential” growth isn’t the same as the strict definition of the word. My understanding of exponential is growth being influenced by the previous growth: ie. a percentage based on the increased figure from the last cycle. The “exponential” growth here is more a function of the ever-decreasing cost of the batteries due to scale. OK, it boils down to the same result, just via a different mechanism. It’s been obvious for decades that many countries - Australia in particular - potentially have more energy from wind, tide and solar than they could use and that the various forms of storage are critical in absorbing the energy. Wake up, politicians, before we are dominated by those that have had the foresight to prepare.
In order for private passenger vehicles to be useful for grid backup, charging points have to become ubiquitous so that whenever a car is not being used it is connected to the grid.
The ARES rail-based gravity solar energy storage facility in Nevada and it's proximity to Hoover Dam made me think It might be more economical to install some floating solar on Lake Mead to reduce evaporation and use the existing power lines and maybe pump some water back into Lake Mead whenever the solar couldn't be utilized. In Canada we've got a pumped Hydro storage facility downstream from Niagara Falls that was built back in the 50's to pump water from the Niagara river below the falls to a reservoir at the top of the gorge during the night when extra power was available to be used during the day to produce power. They have one on the US side too. Damn I just checked, they announced plans back in 2018 for pumped hydro storage at Hoover dam for renewable energy storage, no mention of floating solar though. It seems like a perfect match, though, minimal extra transmission lines or major construction involved
Southern New Zealand has spare water. The lake Manipuri hydro power runs two miles of Aluminium electrolytic converters. Making rock into various Aluminium alloys. Other metals might do similar. Hydrogen too is required in this field too.
We just had a " Dunkelflaute " for about a week and had to rely on our neighbours to help us out with nuclear, fossile and certainly some renuewable electricity . This caused a price hike from normally around 40 to 820 €/MWh without grid fees, distributor margin and value added tax increasing the customer prices by another ~ 300 €/MWh. To avoid this we'd need around 63 TW ( Germanys average consumption with - as of now- still very little heatpumps and electric cars, and without electrification of industrial heat and chemical production, adding another roughly 400 Tw) x 7 days x 24 h ~ 10.500 TWh of storage capacity! After full electrification we will need in the order of 50.000 TWh
An underappreciated fact of cheap grid batteries is that they'll obviate the need for more transmission lines, which, up until now, have been a major stumbling block for wind and solar.
That sorta gives up the whole game here. If those companies are crunching the numbers and have realized nuclear is the better option then we should question why some people think we can run a grid off solar, wind and batteries. Look at what the consumer of power is doing. Not what the person selling the power is saying. Those tech companies are data companies. They have a massive amount of internal data and some of the best engineers in the world to take all that data and understand what it means and how to move forward.
I hope we'll develop a viable alternative to silicon solar cells as well, just in case. That the entire world depends on some high grade quartz available only in one location doesn't sit well with me. We could do without cheap computing power maybe, but we definitely can't do without cheap solar. Also, powering nyc for a day means you can power it indefinitely
It’s good to have battery storage. It’s ideal for short term storage. For long term storage you still need to look at hydrogen. A single shipping container of hydrogen can house the power of 50 shipping container sized mega batteries.
We need more deployment of other storage methods. Battery storage is great for now, but we need solutions that do not require minerals to be mine, etc. There are other solutions that are avaible but need more research and testing.
4:10 It depends on the thickness of the clouds. On the worst rainy days, my solar system produce about 4% of their peak capacity. 50% is "Partially cloudy". 98% of solar panels on the consumer market are basically the same. Most important is the inverter being efficient and safe.
can you tell me where exactly? I live there and would like to know more about it. My last status was, that insurances calculated that EVs do not burn more offen than ICE cars, which does not mean that it cant happen of course.
I read an article on this fire in the UK Guardian News Paper. The cause of the fire has not been confirmed, it was thought it might be a battery charger, but it didn't say it was an electric vehicle that caught fire. The ridiculous aspect of this fire was not its source but the fact that the fire station didn't have any fire alarms.
Your glee is very much misplaced. You are unable to think long term. Renewables are our only hope to save our grandchildren from a very uncomfortable existence in a rapidly warming world. If you want a future uninhabitable Australia then carry on gloating. FYI EV fires are far less likely o happen than ICE fires. Furthermore new batttery chemistries will make it virtually impossible for an EV battery to catch fire.
For longer constant energy storage and supply, liquid air is a perfect addition to batteries. These two technologies could make any market energy independent. And Liquid Air has one big advantage to all other new technologies. The technologies is even here, we don't have to develope it anymore. It is daily used tech.
As the cost of storage comes down, the question will be if we waited too long. Each house should have at least 20 kWhs or so of storage and each individual should have at least a few kWhs of storage. That storage can be hiding in a vehicle... but as long as it's around.
Solar has arrived thanks to mass battery storage. It's brilliant. I'll buy ev in about 4 years, and fly ev in 10. Until then, it's my hybrid and always A380.
We are so far behind electricity supply because of the flood of data centers being built. The growth in electricity demand is frightening. We are figuratively trying to fill a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
Hey Viking. Have you been to southern Germany? Its very sunny. Do your research before making confident statements. Photovoltaic potential maps are dark red (highest value) from south of Nuremberg.
Sam, This TH-cam video has to be the most preeminent post of all your video posts in the past. The facts you show truly tell us where the world is heading. I just hope the leaders of the world are listening.. The transition to sustainable, renewable energy cannot happen fast enough.
What amount of space is required for batteries that store enough energy to allow 100% solar supply of electricity especially during rainy and gloomy winter days?
I have batteries in three houses one has 15KWH second 20KWH third 30 KWH. So about the size of a car battery. We still have grid power but can easily function during grid failure with a little temporary lifestyle adjustment.
Lithium Ion good for "Quick response" and frequency balancing but then you have Sodium Ion for cheaper and longer durations and a multitude of others for Druations up to many days!!
.. which is why the Northvolt saga has given me despair. Having crowed about their world-leading sodium tec, they tell us there's no demand so they'll have to fire a bunch of guys.
Power companies need to offer free battery storage to homeowners to create a huge virtual power plant. If they don't they will have to pay them to get that power when they need it.
So far, there are only two serious centers of grid-scale battery energy storage deployment in the world: China (~27 GW) and the United States (~16 GW). These two countries are also home to most of the world’s largest individual battery projects, many of which now are on the GWh scale in terms of energy capacity.
@@rogerphelps9939I find it funny when people throw out those "big numbers". I saw one person talking about how California was planning on eventually having something like 90 GW of installed capacity for battery storage. Seems like a lot till you realize that is like 2 hours. Like with all of the investments California has made they still rely on natural gas 37% of the time. Keep in mind they are one of the better locations for renewable projects.
This is ridiculous it was calculated that the battery power required to power UAS for onr hour requires all the battery output from the Tesla mega factory for 500 years and to charge them with excess green energy would take a further 200years for one hour. This is madness and grade A bull
There's a lot of unrealistic hype about battery storage in Australia - in the last year, battery storage only provided about 0.2% of demand on the national grid. To put this into perspective, gas (mostly used in "peaker" plants) provided 5.2%, and pumped hydro provided about 0.7%. This is insignificant in terms of storage capacity - at this level, batteries can only provide grid stability services, and aren't even close to providing enough storage to be able to use some of energy from solar PV currently being lost due to curtailment, let alone to enable renewables to replace fossil fuel generation....
Very detailed share, cheers to that. I don't know as much as you. It seems though "...only be used to provide grid stability services..." is your reason for us to not be hype? Providing grid stability makes me hype about this new and improving technology. Ty again for your write up 🍻
@@borshardsd grid stability services means that the batteries provide backup for short term fluctuations on the grid (seconds to minutes), usually caused by sudden increases in load, or a generator tripping, and stops the grid from collapsing while you wait for other sources (like gas turbines or hydro) to ramp up or come on line. This isn't necessary on a fossil fuel grid. There's currently nowhere near enough storage to enable significant amounts of excess energy from renewables to be stored for later use, which is necessary for them to become "dispatchable", and to replace fossil fuel generation. The batteries currently aren't really doing much useful, apart from making money from "arbitrage" (storing power when it's cheap, and selling it at peak demand when the price is much higher). A lot of people (including Sam) don't seem to understand this....
@peeemm2032 ty for the explanation. Could one say the idea is good but currently the amount of use is being hyped up? Is it practical to continue deployment?
@@alexjohnward that includes any storage battery on the national grid, but it doesn't include home batteries installed "behind the meter". There's currently about the same again in home battery storage, which takes the total to about 0.4%, which is still insignificant..... We're going to need many times more than this before we can replace fossil fuels with renewables. We're not even close yet.....
Until there is no power like the recent hurricanes in the south east. Hard to clean up the debris from trees when no power for all the electric chain saws. Don't see electric semi trucks or road construction equipment do you???
@@brianperry4815 There will always be a place for fossil fuels, just not in everyday vehicle needs. Big industrial and tool and massive word trucks, absolutely
@travisjazzbo3490 The thing having a Choice on what YOU WANT not the government telling you hat it wants for you. I being left handed had the school tried to FORCE ME TO BE RIGHT HANDED , Still Ileft handed and been fighting the system ever since then.
@@brianperry4815 I agree. And with that, with most things, electrification will be a far superior solution in every way imaginable, and fossil fuels will simply have less and less of a need, but the need will still be there. The market is moving green fast for economic reasons as much as anything
The question is: what would be the response of the Fossil Fuel Industry to this development? In the past their influence on the politicians was key. How about now?
Factory LPF cell prices have dropped to 36$/kWh this year. With over 8.000 cycles before 20% degradation the cost per cycle is literally nhill. Amazing times ahead.
Tesla goes t even make the batteries for their Powerwalls and Powerpacks, they only contract the manufacturing of the containers, and sell the systems.
You are missing the final piece of the puzzle ❤. It is the mini split heating and cooling system that is all electric. Best technology for solar, wind and batteries. Check it out!!! 😮This combination will kill the grid.
The hydro pump storage “battery” technology is very possible in the Scottish highlands - which obviously has mountains and lakes. But the environmental protestors are attempting to block the investment. This is the biggest issue with renewables in the UK. Everyone worried about climate change wants these investments BUT NOT NEAR THEM. The same issue applies to wind farms and solar power installations.
Hydro power doesn’t need battery storage, because it’s already base load. Using pumped hydro increases its base load capacity. Incidentally, there’s only one lake in Scotland.
@@229andymon Lock Ness is a huge lake, literally a cleft in the Earth’s crust between two plates. The long thin lake has mountains on both sides on which numerous dams could be built. The scope for battery storage is enormous. Pump water to the higher lake when there is a surplus and let the water drive the same turbines to generate electricity when there is a shortage.
@@johnfrancis4401 If Loch Ness was a lake, it would be called Lake Ness. As for your explanation of how pumped storage works, thanks, however I’m well aware already. In fact I live near a couple of Scottish *lochs* already doing that. We’ve been doing it for some time. I reiterate however, you don’t need battery storage for hydro energy, it’s not intermittent.
@@229andymon It’s fresh water so of course it’s a lake. And Lock Lomand is also a fresh water lake, it too is massive and is suitable for this type of battery after a dam is built on the nearby mountain. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what pumped storage is.
@@johnfrancis4401 Like your spelling you mean? Firstly, there is already a pumped storage scheme operating out of LocH LomOnd. Secondly, there are freshwater *and* sea lochs. I’m very aware of how pumped storage works. I worked in Scotland’s energy industry for decades. You need to study much more and comment less.
solar/wind battery is fantastic but there are still better solutions like hydroelectric. Both are far superior to LNG/coal/nuclear, but hydro is built out once and lasts 100 years and works day and night 365 days a year
We should support all of the alternatives to making pianos with ivory. Er… sorry, I misspoke. We should support all of the alternatives to burning fossil fuels.
Guys take a look at lithium alternatives batteries. SmUD in california and Leag in Germany are using iron flow batteries for large duration storage. Need more capacity add more iron salt water. Honeywell is backing this american company and most likely to acquire it soon
Fire services across the world are recommending that batteries be charged "outside and not on a fire escape route" - how does that work for home-battery installations? Are there siting issues that need to be resolved? What do the insurance companies say? Or are the risks "low enough"...? 🤔 (I recognise that these battery systems cannot be compared to dodgy electric bikes/scooters with dodgy chargers bought on-line, but even so, there is a risk here.)
That’s the problem Viking, being independent from the grid is a real threat to existing electricity suppliers. You will notE THE DAILY charge to receive energy from the grid rose 28% this year from last and that’s with Origin and AGL. Big issue developing coupled with poor economics from the neoliberals means the individual is at a disadvantage in going green. Plenty of politics ahead.
I think it is a bit odd that Tesla doesn't talk about this a lot more along with the coming Semis. Semis are all positive from everything reported and these are all positive from everything reported and both have absolutely staggering potential. Concentrate on these discussions for 6 months at least and as the affordable car because reality, True FSD/Cybercab is inevitable, and the robots take a serious level where they are working productively, don't talk about those as much.
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Battery storage is such an exciting future for the planet .. and its getting better and better .. 👏👏👏
Yes, and with combination with seasonal chemical heat storage capable of storing summer heat for winter use for example from european universities as TU Eindhoven or ETH Zurich. We already have technologies for painless energy transition. (heat is orders of magnitude harder problem then powering electronics)
@@Jamey_ETHZurich_TUe_Rulez Phase change materials are potentially very helpful.
Heck yeah! Bring on the future!
@@petehoney1 instead sending energy right to loads that need it. Let's use that energy to produce something that will store energy, then send it to loads that need it.
Prices of battery storage and solar each fall 80-90% every decade, anyone who understands the implications of this knows that fossil fuels have no long term ability to compete economically with solar + batteries.
While petrol prices are going higher and higher. 😂
Great report but I wish Viking would compute numbers on a percapita basis when comparing nations or states. It's really frustrating to analytical professionals when he blithely compares battery storage, etc., in Australia to the US or China, or even the two latter to each other. You have no sense of scale or rate of adoption, just a jumble of meaningless numbers. Australia is a tiny little country! We learn nothing when you show a graph where China and US are way up in capacity and Australia is a thin line at the very bottom. But do the Math Sam. Multiply by 15 and you get an informative graph. Duh! I'm very frustrated because this is one of very, very few sources of reliable information on the subjects of EVs, batteries, etc. I guess he's trying to not get too technical for a lay audience. Okay. But a little tweak here and there wouldn't hurt. Great Channel!
Battery prices aren't falling..they already fell.
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Lithium based batteries are still too expensive, prices need to be 1/10th of what they are now to be more affordable for most people.
Which is fine. It will allow us to use oil for more important things.
Energy production has to be local... very local... trucking in coal, piping gas and whatever else from thousands of km away is insane... trucking oil all around the country to fuel stations is also insane
Best point
@lonewolf awesome i can almost picture the frustration "it's like I'm taking crazy pills" yes we will burn oil to transport oil
@@The-JMartian I'm with you! It just feels like we are the crazy ones for no good reason.
@@The-JMartian very nice to hear, heat pump on property?
One day I hope to build a solar system on property.
Also remember the proposition that: if all the oil/natural gas/coal use ceased, then HALF of the (also fossil fuelled) ships would cease to be used. HALF.
Storage is the key to fully using renewables and countering their intermittent nature. The reported exponential growth of storage is very encouraging.
One of your best videos ever absolutely great clearly explains everything about large-scale utility storage that we need to know in the public a+
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it.
Good news Sam. Very timely!
Battery and solar panel technologies will keep improving to become better and cheaper, but not petrol fuel. 😂
You burn fuel once, you stare energy in battery thousands Times. Thats the game changer.
Great vid. I used to be a regular viewer until one too many, 'perpetual-motion machines' and 'Game-changing, free limitless power' episodes meant I couldn't trust your output anymore.
Hi Sam. I recommend Sungrow LFP house battery modules for your solar array. Each module is 3.2 kWh and you buy only what you need. We started with 3 modules then added 2 more. We got them from an outfit in Brisbane (they ship all over Australia).
Most excellent material, analysis and succinct explanations...thankyou Sam for your brilliant work on this topic.
Following Australia, the Global South will join this movement, especially as prices continue to drop, and short circuit the projections for continued fossil fuel consumption. Electrification of vehicle fleets will continue apace. Already, oil is peaking around 100MB/day instead of climbing past 110-120MB/day as forecast a few years ago. Good news for the climate and great news for poorer nations.
We see it in the renewable energy market as well (as a renewable energy developer) that interest in BESS is increasing rapidly for a number of reasons, grid stability, peak usage, resilience etc. etc. etc.
Viking this is your best report to date. Good research and good presentation. Well done and thanks. Hope the out/ of the US trip is positive for all.
African countries should go all in on solar power + batteries. Distributed and without the need for long transmission lines.
Morroco installed 858 megawatts in 2022 . In 2030 the will export 10 TWh hydrogin . Africa is realy helped by Chinese investors.
Check out Mission 300. 90B USD is enough to ensure electricity to 300M humans.
They already are, but with transmission lines as well. Lookup the One Sun, One World, One Grud initiative seeking to join up the global sun belt countires to be a global powerhouse. Grids will still be require for commercial and industrial needs, even if domestic home generates.
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There are millions of people for whom it would be too expensive to string transmission lines. They would never use enough electricity to pay for the cost. Those people are being serviced by "micro-solar". Small, standalone systems that provide basic electricity and can be paid for over a year or so with the money they would have otherwise spent for lamp oil, candles, and disposable batteries. There are millions of micro-solar systems now in place.
@@bobwallace9753 - fully understand that, but we should also acknowldge that countries in these regions also have grids and seeking to join them up.
I still remember Australia's greatest embarrassment scott Morrison saying the first big battery here in South Australia was a gimmick like a big banana
ScoMo was/is a clown, but he wasn't necessarily wrong about the Hornsdale battery.
In the last year, battery storage (all of it, not just the Hornsdale battery) has provided only 0.2% of demand on the national grid, and in SA a little more at 0.9%.
The Hornsdale battery provides grid stability services to counter short term fluctuations, and some backup power reserve in the case of system failures (so they can start their gas plants if the grid goes down again), but in terms of general energy storage, it's insignificant (but you wouldn't know it from the hype at the time), and was a huge PR stunt for Elon Musk....
MORON-SON is his real name when the Aussie had the dream of they wanna their own version of the American version of "ding don Dumps."
What are you expecting?
It's not as embarrassing as the mining company that detonated those aboriginal cave paintings that were tens of thousands of years old though. Or the shameful number of drop bear fatalities every year...
and don't forget Abbots "The internet is just a glorified gaming system" On Scomo - why would a tongue talker care about the earth - he is about to be raptured
The actual biggest gimmick was Scomo himself.
Just heard, Large🔋🔋1,000MW Battery Storage capacity coming to Cardiff Wales. 🏴
Do you realise how tiny that ìs in the scheme of things? People have no idea of the maths and the costs.
Heard a report on BBC News that the ugliest people in Britain are in Wales. Will the power do anything to help solve that problem?
Even with inflation I've watched batteries and solar panels tank in price. Imagine what it would have been without inflation.
Thank God then Trump has just been elected LOL. God help us all.
Rooftop PV panels shade your roof on hot sunny days. 😎 ⛱️ 😎
That's cool 😎 👍 😀
Happy days.
They also convert up to 20% of the incident energy into energy you can store in a battery, so also helping reduce the temperature of the roof!
Im invested in FLNC, backlog grew by over $4billion last quarter, now has in excess of $20 billion of deployment in backlog (and its growing quarter over quarter). Growing so fast that they can't keep up with demand, despite increasing supply (coming on line end of 24). I think this could be a multibagger as along with the installation comes servicing (which has only just started to ramp up)... i wish them well, i think this is a no brainer for business (especially data centres) as not only does it act as a back up but provides a means to reduce energy costs over the longer term.
One of your best videos. Thanks!
Thanks Mate!
I have always wondered - why not cover these batteries with solar panels, as they have started doing on some car lots ? They would provide shade and help keep them cool as well more square footage for solar
When will these new battery techs come to my power tools? No one talks about these. Examples: Leaf Blower, Drill, Chain Saw, etc.?
I had to self upgrade my Ryobi riding mower from lead acid to LFP and the difference was vast.
Looking at Milwaukee tools, DeWalt etc. These batteries are very expensive, heavy and slow charging. Please look into these. And strangely, most are made in China.
Love your work and all the good you do for humanity!
Land area in singapore is a premium. Solar and wind requires vast pieces of land in order to be possible
Offshore wind? Nuclear? Advanced geothermal?
The way land ice melt keeps surprising to the upside, land in Singapore may well be in even shorter supply in the future.
Come back when every single existing roof and canopy has been solarized. Batteries taking space? Come backwhen every single office tower, factory, and housing complex has a few shipping container sized batteries in their underground infrastructure beside the loading docks etc.
Put them on factory roofs, plenty of them in Singapore how about car parks?
Good episode Mr Viking.
I was going to comment that you needed to show per capita…but they he did, well done. And glad / surprised to see UK with the front runners.
One other advantage is that decentralised units need less transmission costs.
Another, when a huge coal power station goes down for maintenance it has a very significant effect. Not so with batteries.
I would have liked to see data / graphs that also included hydro storage. I feel here in Scotland we should be building 10x the number of hydro we presently have ( Norway 9p kWh, here 27p!) but wonder if by the time they would be built batteries actually cheaper.
Even without renewable energy, batteries make sense, taking the worst polluting fossil fueled peaker plants permanently offline
The sooner the better!
I love this channel and enjoy the up-to-date information about EV‘s solar power and all things electric. It is disheartening and frightening to know that despite all of our efforts to increase renewable energy, it has not decreased the rate of petroleum production one bit. It seems that no matter what energy we develop and how clean it is, it will not satisfy our insatiable need for power/energy. I do not believe we should not develop these technologies however, if we ignore the continued increase usage of fossil fuels disaster will be set us as we drive our EV down the road. This is a sobering, reality that we cannot ignore
EV's are increasingly cheaper to buy and much cheaper to run, with virtually no maintenance requirements. ICE vehicles will rapidly die out as they equally rapidly wear out.
Why do none of these battery installations have solar panels over the batteries?
It makes sense to solve one of the biggest problems with battery storage, heat, with panels that can provide extra power directly to the batteries below.
At our local Coles they built solar panel roofs over the parking lot. It looks good, the cars stay cool and out of the rain, and the centre is powered.
Good point. Would also put them in shade.
Just done some maths added up all the kw hours from the battery storage plants you talked about around the world and just powered the UK only the power would last about 30 mins
Domestic storage pricing in GB seems to be stuck high. Online can buy 1kWh of li-ion Ph for about GBP 250.00, but you'd be paying like GBP 10,000 for 12kWh installed. Really need smart plug add and go, but the fuse boxes all need a major upgrade redesign to let you ad-hoc add storage, as you feel.
Your numbers are way high. For reference, the Tesla PW3 is giving 13KWh for 5K GBP base, extras + install + ship on top so that's aprx 7K gross. But this is the high-end: a Victron + Pylontecs would be much less for a perfectly decent system. The gotcha is cost/availability of good installers, and you almost certainly need some physical bashing/cutting /re-concreting which is a big extra.
Good on you Sam, please keep telling your battery storage news to the world. Knowledge like this can also turn into a wealth making story - would you believe a ASX listed company had built a solid-state battery using table salt, therefore much cheaper when comparing with your lithium-ion battery and its share is only selling for 4 cents each.
🙋♂️THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 🤗THX SAM🔋🔋🔋
As part of my house renovation will be covering the roof in slate styled solar (looks incredible), and will be combining with a battery pack. Will ensure uninterrupted power to the house and will save me money not only on my EV but also as a means to draw energy from the grid at night (when not charging the car) at significant discounts.
Why this isn't mandated in the UK is beyond me, we currently have huge offshore wind farms and produce nearly 40% of our electricity from renewables, localised means to store energy generated at night is a no brainer.
For perspective, 56 gigawatts is 0.2% of the global energy demand. One would imagine we'd need to get up to around 30-50 percent for batteries to be making some kind of impact on a global level. Assuming 10 hours of sun, that's 42 percent of 24 hours. So, the road ahead is long.
So like the last 5 years times 200. So in 1000 years everything is ready?
The road is long. But we now have the road. We have a way to travel that will get us off fossil fuels and help keep extreme climate change lower than what it otherwise would have become.
@@plinbleyou gotta remember that the batteries would only last 20 years so after that point they would be replacing everything. Anyone that thinks we can run a grid off of renewables and batteries are misinformed. The big tech companies thought that would be an idea that could work. Now they are all investing in nuclear. If they have run the numbers and realized they can't even reliably run a data center off of renewables and batteries we should really be questioning the idea of running a grid that way. Those companies are DATA companies with some of the best data analysis people in the world working for them. The people pushing these ideas are finance people with large investments in the companies that make and install renewables and storage. They are only looking for the highest return on investment.
Great video Sam. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
For the last few years I have had a 4kW solar panel set up with a 10kWh battery and 3kW off grid inverter that I can be off grid with for around 9 months of the year. The problem isn't the storage the problem is getting the energy in the first place during bad weather and during the three months centered on Christmas due to living in Scotland where we pretty much get 18 hours of darkness at the Winter solstice. I added a wind turbine to try to get some power during the Winter but that is pretty much useless as the wind isnt reliable either at that time of year. Solar and wind simply can't hack it and most people don't live in places with lots of hydro.
The pictures you showed had a lot of vertical relief in the distance around the flat agricultural land. Looks like an ideal location for off-river pumped storage. The technology is off-the-shelf and I understand that the great advantage of off-river pumped storage is its efficiency, its huge power capacity and the ability to store power over much longer periods than is the case with batteries. And such facilities don't have to be adjacent to wind or solar farms. That is what the grid is for. You put each facility in the location which is best for it. A bit of battery capacity is probably a good thing because it is even better than hydro in instantly stabilizing the frequency and voltage of a grid but surly the real grunt work would be better left to pumped storage.
We need to start building solar array, near the sun and being Angie back to earth. It would not be a waste of money once we start it and it’ll be way easier than building a Dyson spear.
Once upon a time the whole world was using oil lamps, now battery operated LED flashlights. 😂
The world used oil lamps before electricity was made widely available - and we'll go BACK to using oil lamps when the Green Energy and Net Zero policies make electricity, once again, a thing of the past.
At a very basic level, one can buy a lantern with an attached solar panel that will charge it during the day and provide light at night. These cost less than $10.
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I bought a small flashlight with a solar panel and a hand crank electric generator as back up, online directly from China, the price includes shipping for about US$4. Some people wonder why it can be so cheap, but from a manufacturing point of view, it is just plastic and minerals which are dirt cheap to begin with. The question should be why is it being sold so expensively in USA?
@@bobwallace9753 A device that took more energy to manufacture than it will ever replace - well done.
We'll soon be going back to oil lamps given the policy decision we're seeing.
NIO is a leader when it comes to battery storage. TESLA as well though I don't see them scaling especially in China, with the President there investing money into the Asian market.
I recommend the v2g system 32kw batterys and a 25kw DC fast charger for your home 28k with a solar inverter also
One benefit that many may not appreciate is that our part of California has gone from the usual six smog “spare the air” days to one this past summer. More EVs and battery storage may eliminate all spare the air days.
Excellent video, Sam.
It’s worth mentioning that the “exponential” growth isn’t the same as the strict definition of the word. My understanding of exponential is growth being influenced by the previous growth: ie. a percentage based on the increased figure from the last cycle.
The “exponential” growth here is more a function of the ever-decreasing cost of the batteries due to scale. OK, it boils down to the same result, just via a different mechanism.
It’s been obvious for decades that many countries - Australia in particular - potentially have more energy from wind, tide and solar than they could use and that the various forms of storage are critical in absorbing the energy.
Wake up, politicians, before we are dominated by those that have had the foresight to prepare.
Spot on!
In order for private passenger vehicles to be useful for grid backup, charging points have to become ubiquitous so that whenever a car is not being used it is connected to the grid.
It's been obvious to me for years that rooftop solar plus home batteries is THE way to go.
The ARES rail-based gravity solar energy storage facility in Nevada and it's proximity to Hoover Dam made me think It might be more economical to install some floating solar on Lake Mead to reduce evaporation and use the existing power lines and maybe pump some water back into Lake Mead whenever the solar couldn't be utilized. In Canada we've got a pumped Hydro storage facility downstream from Niagara Falls that was built back in the 50's to pump water from the Niagara river below the falls to a reservoir at the top of the gorge during the night when extra power was available to be used during the day to produce power. They have one on the US side too. Damn I just checked, they announced plans back in 2018 for pumped hydro storage at Hoover dam for renewable energy storage, no mention of floating solar though. It seems like a perfect match, though, minimal extra transmission lines or major construction involved
Southern New Zealand has spare water. The lake Manipuri hydro power runs two miles of Aluminium electrolytic converters. Making rock into various Aluminium alloys. Other metals might do similar. Hydrogen too is required in this field too.
We just had a " Dunkelflaute " for about a week and had to rely on our neighbours to help us out with nuclear, fossile and certainly some renuewable electricity . This caused a price hike from normally around 40 to 820 €/MWh without grid fees, distributor margin and value added tax increasing the customer prices by another ~ 300 €/MWh. To avoid this we'd need around 63 TW ( Germanys average consumption with - as of now- still very little heatpumps and electric cars, and without electrification of industrial heat and chemical production, adding another roughly 400 Tw) x 7 days x 24 h ~ 10.500 TWh of storage capacity!
After full electrification we will need in the order of 50.000 TWh
An underappreciated fact of cheap grid batteries is that they'll obviate the need for more transmission lines, which, up until now, have been a major stumbling block for wind and solar.
Here in Germany verry near by where i live, 100 mwh Tesla Megapacks will go online in Januar 2025. The Packs are already deployed.🔋
Great video
Six years back Germany had the greatest rate of rooftop solar. We Aussies were shamed. Now we are going like a bat out of hell. Go Aussie go!
Yeah, those following things.. .had already noticed this before.
Why are big techs like Amazon and Google investing heavily in nuclear? Land use of solar and battery farms could be a limitation.
That sorta gives up the whole game here. If those companies are crunching the numbers and have realized nuclear is the better option then we should question why some people think we can run a grid off solar, wind and batteries. Look at what the consumer of power is doing. Not what the person selling the power is saying. Those tech companies are data companies. They have a massive amount of internal data and some of the best engineers in the world to take all that data and understand what it means and how to move forward.
Likely land costs, yes. And uncertain cost of insurance for solar/battery farms.
I'd love you to do a video on Molten Salt Reactors, ideally Thorium based, but without the list of mistakes in the last one...
I hope we'll develop a viable alternative to silicon solar cells as well, just in case. That the entire world depends on some high grade quartz available only in one location doesn't sit well with me. We could do without cheap computing power maybe, but we definitely can't do without cheap solar.
Also, powering nyc for a day means you can power it indefinitely
It’s good to have battery storage. It’s ideal for short term storage. For long term storage you still need to look at hydrogen. A single shipping container of hydrogen can house the power of 50 shipping container sized mega batteries.
We need more deployment of other storage methods. Battery storage is great for now, but we need solutions that do not require minerals to be mine, etc. There are other solutions that are avaible but need more research and testing.
4:10 It depends on the thickness of the clouds. On the worst rainy days, my solar system produce about 4% of their peak capacity.
50% is "Partially cloudy".
98% of solar panels on the consumer market are basically the same. Most important is the inverter being efficient and safe.
I suspect that “cloudy” in Australia does not mean the same that “cloudy” in England means
Like how blonde hair has different meanings depending on how light the normal hair color range if the region gets
lol, an electric fire truck just burned down the fire station in Hesse while it was charging. Absolute Gold!!!
can you tell me where exactly? I live there and would like to know more about it. My last status was, that insurances calculated that EVs do not burn more offen than ICE cars, which does not mean that it cant happen of course.
@@stevenrichman7101 Just go ahead and stick it in your favourite search engine
I read an article on this fire in the UK Guardian News Paper. The cause of the fire has not been confirmed, it was thought it might be a battery charger, but it didn't say it was an electric vehicle that caught fire. The ridiculous aspect of this fire was not its source but the fact that the fire station didn't have any fire alarms.
@@RichardBacon-h5x omg, i kinda feel bad for finding that funny. A firestation without fire alarms, the jokes write themselves.
Your glee is very much misplaced. You are unable to think long term. Renewables are our only hope to save our grandchildren from a very uncomfortable existence in a rapidly warming world. If you want a future uninhabitable Australia then carry on gloating. FYI EV fires are far less likely o happen than ICE fires. Furthermore new batttery chemistries will make it virtually impossible for an EV battery to catch fire.
26 kW Bravo buddy🎉🎉🎉🎉
For longer constant energy storage and supply, liquid air is a perfect addition to batteries. These two technologies could make any market energy independent. And Liquid Air has one big advantage to all other new technologies. The technologies is even here, we don't have to develope it anymore. It is daily used tech.
As the cost of storage comes down, the question will be if we waited too long. Each house should have at least 20 kWhs or so of storage and each individual should have at least a few kWhs of storage. That storage can be hiding in a vehicle... but as long as it's around.
I hope to see more mechanical batteries used for grid storage. For the grid, high Wh/$ is more important than high Wh/kg.
Mechanical storage has very poor energy density.
@@rogerphelps9939 I was looking for a high Wh per dollar, not a high Wh per kg. Grid storage doesn't require high energy density.
@@rogerphelps9939 I wasn't talking about energy density. I was talking about energy storage per dollar. Please read my post again.
Yep. told you. suggested you invest in Australian companies.
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The only thing "skyrocketing" is the electricity bill and taxes from the billions in subsedies given to battery bandits.
Soon it may be as much as the various tax cuts for the ff industry
Solar has arrived thanks to mass battery storage. It's brilliant. I'll buy ev in about 4 years, and fly ev in 10. Until then, it's my hybrid and always A380.
We are so far behind electricity supply because of the flood of data centers being built. The growth in electricity demand is frightening. We are figuratively trying to fill a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
Hey Viking. Have you been to southern Germany? Its very sunny. Do your research before making confident statements. Photovoltaic potential maps are dark red (highest value) from south of Nuremberg.
Sam, This TH-cam video has to be the most preeminent post of all your video posts in the past. The facts you show truly tell us where the world is heading. I just hope the leaders of the world are listening.. The transition to sustainable, renewable energy cannot happen fast enough.
Appreciate it!
What amount of space is required for batteries that store enough energy to allow 100% solar supply of electricity especially during rainy and gloomy winter days?
I have batteries in three houses one has 15KWH second 20KWH third 30 KWH. So about the size of a car battery. We still have grid power but can easily function during grid failure with a little temporary lifestyle adjustment.
a few container sized batteries can power a small town
Good question, happy to see that people were eager to answer
@@eldictator1 That would be excellent. Not keen to live in a city with a nuclear plant.
Lithium Ion good for "Quick response" and frequency balancing but then you have Sodium Ion for cheaper and longer durations and a multitude of others for Druations up to many days!!
.. which is why the Northvolt saga has given me despair. Having crowed about their world-leading sodium tec, they tell us there's no demand so they'll have to fire a bunch of guys.
Power companies need to offer free battery storage to homeowners to create a huge virtual power plant. If they don't they will have to pay them to get that power when they need it.
Where all the scrap will go?
3:58 What solar panels have you got? Mine only produce 5% of max output when it is cloudy...
So far, there are only two serious centers of grid-scale battery energy storage deployment in the world: China (~27 GW) and the United States (~16 GW). These two countries are also home to most of the world’s largest individual battery projects, many of which now are on the GWh scale in terms of energy capacity.
Your numbers are meaningless. 27Gw for how long or is it, as I suspect, 27Gwh.
@@rogerphelps9939I find it funny when people throw out those "big numbers". I saw one person talking about how California was planning on eventually having something like 90 GW of installed capacity for battery storage. Seems like a lot till you realize that is like 2 hours. Like with all of the investments California has made they still rely on natural gas 37% of the time. Keep in mind they are one of the better locations for renewable projects.
This is ridiculous it was calculated that the battery power required to power UAS for onr hour requires all the battery output from the Tesla mega factory for 500 years and to charge them with excess green energy would take a further 200years for one hour. This is madness and grade A bull
There's a lot of unrealistic hype about battery storage in Australia - in the last year, battery storage only provided about 0.2% of demand on the national grid. To put this into perspective, gas (mostly used in "peaker" plants) provided 5.2%, and pumped hydro provided about 0.7%.
This is insignificant in terms of storage capacity - at this level, batteries can only provide grid stability services, and aren't even close to providing enough storage to be able to use some of energy from solar PV currently being lost due to curtailment, let alone to enable renewables to replace fossil fuel generation....
Doesn't include small local batteries, which will increase as prices drop, probably within 10 years you will see a lot of home installations
Very detailed share, cheers to that.
I don't know as much as you. It seems though "...only be used to provide grid stability services..." is your reason for us to not be hype?
Providing grid stability makes me hype about this new and improving technology. Ty again for your write up 🍻
@@borshardsd grid stability services means that the batteries provide backup for short term fluctuations on the grid (seconds to minutes), usually caused by sudden increases in load, or a generator tripping, and stops the grid from collapsing while you wait for other sources (like gas turbines or hydro) to ramp up or come on line. This isn't necessary on a fossil fuel grid.
There's currently nowhere near enough storage to enable significant amounts of excess energy from renewables to be stored for later use, which is necessary for them to become "dispatchable", and to replace fossil fuel generation.
The batteries currently aren't really doing much useful, apart from making money from "arbitrage" (storing power when it's cheap, and selling it at peak demand when the price is much higher).
A lot of people (including Sam) don't seem to understand this....
@peeemm2032 ty for the explanation. Could one say the idea is good but currently the amount of use is being hyped up?
Is it practical to continue deployment?
@@alexjohnward that includes any storage battery on the national grid, but it doesn't include home batteries installed "behind the meter".
There's currently about the same again in home battery storage, which takes the total to about 0.4%, which is still insignificant.....
We're going to need many times more than this before we can replace fossil fuels with renewables.
We're not even close yet.....
Everything green is getting better and cheaper. Everything fossil fuels makes less and less sense. That is a good thing
Until there is no power like the recent hurricanes in the south east. Hard to clean up the debris from trees when no power for all the electric chain saws. Don't see electric semi trucks or road construction equipment do you???
@@brianperry4815 There will always be a place for fossil fuels, just not in everyday vehicle needs. Big industrial and tool and massive word trucks, absolutely
@travisjazzbo3490 The thing having a Choice on what YOU WANT not the government telling you hat it wants for you. I being left handed had the school tried to FORCE ME TO BE RIGHT HANDED , Still Ileft handed and been fighting the system ever since then.
@@brianperry4815 I agree. And with that, with most things, electrification will be a far superior solution in every way imaginable, and fossil fuels will simply have less and less of a need, but the need will still be there. The market is moving green fast for economic reasons as much as anything
The question is: what would be the response of the Fossil Fuel Industry to this development? In the past their influence on the politicians was key. How about now?
Sam, you did not explain Wright’s Law for batteries. Every doubling of the production of batteries results in a 28% drop in cost.
Factory LPF cell prices have dropped to 36$/kWh this year. With over 8.000 cycles before 20% degradation the cost per cycle is literally nhill. Amazing times ahead.
Tesla goes t even make the batteries for their Powerwalls and Powerpacks, they only contract the manufacturing of the containers, and sell the systems.
Indeed. At a massive markup.
You'd think that things that require oil are going to become more expensive.
Won't refining capacity have to shrink.
You are missing the final piece of the puzzle ❤. It is the mini split heating and cooling system that is all electric. Best technology for solar, wind and batteries. Check it out!!! 😮This combination will kill the grid.
The hydro pump storage “battery” technology is very possible in the Scottish highlands - which obviously has mountains and lakes. But the environmental protestors are attempting to block the investment. This is the biggest issue with renewables in the UK. Everyone worried about climate change wants these investments BUT NOT NEAR THEM. The same issue applies to wind farms and solar power installations.
Hydro power doesn’t need battery storage, because it’s already base load. Using pumped hydro increases its base load capacity. Incidentally, there’s only one lake in Scotland.
@@229andymon Lock Ness is a huge lake, literally a cleft in the Earth’s crust between two plates. The long thin lake has mountains on both sides on which numerous dams could be built. The scope for battery storage is enormous. Pump water to the higher lake when there is a surplus and let the water drive the same turbines to generate electricity when there is a shortage.
@@johnfrancis4401 If Loch Ness was a lake, it would be called Lake Ness. As for your explanation of how pumped storage works, thanks, however I’m well aware already. In fact I live near a couple of Scottish *lochs* already doing that. We’ve been doing it for some time.
I reiterate however, you don’t need battery storage for hydro energy, it’s not intermittent.
@@229andymon It’s fresh water so of course it’s a lake. And Lock Lomand is also a fresh water lake, it too is massive and is suitable for this type of battery after a dam is built on the nearby mountain. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what pumped storage is.
@@johnfrancis4401 Like your spelling you mean? Firstly, there is already a pumped storage scheme operating out of LocH LomOnd. Secondly, there are freshwater *and* sea lochs.
I’m very aware of how pumped storage works. I worked in Scotland’s energy industry for decades.
You need to study much more and comment less.
solar/wind battery is fantastic but there are still better solutions like hydroelectric. Both are far superior to LNG/coal/nuclear, but hydro is built out once and lasts 100 years and works day and night 365 days a year
Batteries for electric planes, boats, cars, trucks, bikes, motorcycles, leaf blowers, vacuums, lawn mowers, solar generators....
RIP ICE.
So I wonder what technology will win for 3 month energy storage. I like sand heating and kinetic potential energy by stacking heavy blocks
I don't see Tesla competing with Catl in medium term. Then there are the very cheap, large scale alternatives in the works.
Why no mention of nuclear power which is scaling up massively?
Only in places like China. In the west it costs a lot more than renewables.
@@rogerphelps9939 In the US also, to support AI...
We should support all of the alternatives to making pianos with ivory.
Er… sorry, I misspoke. We should support all of the alternatives to burning fossil fuels.
Because no one still has found an answer what to do with the waste. All nuclear facilities are just ”storing it” with no idea of how to get rid of it.
hilarious that Tesla is growing thanks to DC power
Good point. 😂
Guys take a look at lithium alternatives batteries. SmUD in california and Leag in Germany are using iron flow batteries for large duration storage. Need more capacity add more iron salt water. Honeywell is backing this american company and most likely to acquire it soon
The government influencing oil companies will try everything they can to prevent it happening.
Fire services across the world are recommending that batteries be charged "outside and not on a fire escape route" - how does that work for home-battery installations? Are there siting issues that need to be resolved? What do the insurance companies say? Or are the risks "low enough"...? 🤔 (I recognise that these battery systems cannot be compared to dodgy electric bikes/scooters with dodgy chargers bought on-line, but even so, there is a risk here.)
That’s the problem Viking, being independent from the grid is a real threat to existing electricity suppliers. You will notE THE DAILY charge to receive energy from the grid rose 28% this year from last and that’s with Origin and AGL. Big issue developing coupled with poor economics from the neoliberals means the individual is at a disadvantage in going green. Plenty of politics ahead.
Sometime in the 2030s, the energy sector will be Merely consist of maintenance.
U.S. has way to much antique electrical transmission equip. other countries too so big batteries sound good to me .
I think it is a bit odd that Tesla doesn't talk about this a lot more along with the coming Semis. Semis are all positive from everything reported and these are all positive from everything reported and both have absolutely staggering potential. Concentrate on these discussions for 6 months at least and as the affordable car because reality, True FSD/Cybercab is inevitable, and the robots take a serious level where they are working productively, don't talk about those as much.