Este homem desconsidera os esforço dos professores brasileiros e portugueses que de forma livre ensinam o povo timorense a falar e escrever uma língua que os distingue de todos os outros povos da região. Foi a língua da resistência para que os indonésios não percebessem patavina. Estive dois anos como militar em Baucau, Ossu e Baguia. Aprendi o tetun em pouco mais de um mês, isto diz tudo.
Muy de acuerdo con tu comentario. Hablantes de Espanol y Portugues suman juntas casi 750 millones de personas, vale la pena defender nuestros espacios en el mundo.
I had a Portuguese subject/class only at high school and now I could say when watching Portuguese channels I can understand 75% of what is being said. So I have no doubt that the generations to come (learning Portuguese since elementary school) will not have problems with the language.The Timorese are proud that they are rich in culture and majestic in their own way. A very large percentage of us manage as many as three to five languages - a native language, Tetum,Indonesian,English&Portuguese.
We cannot keep Bahasa as Official Language just because there is a need to have communication with Malaysian, Indonesian and Bruneian. Choosing an official language is more than mere communication. Choosing an official language is to determine and to know deeply our own History, future and Identity which is really hard for other people to comprehend. Sometimes, to exercise your independence you need to determine your own official language, even if other countries dislike our decision.
Well, the General, a fluent Portuguese speaker, was actually urging Tetun to be used in trial process in the court until the next generation takes over. He is not against the use of Portuguese. The main issue is the interpreters are not proficient in Portuguese because our generation like them were not educated in Portuguese but Indonesian since elementary school. And we are excellent Indonesian speakers in just 25 years of Indonesian occupation. So Portuguese is just a matter of time.
Eu já assisti um vídeo de Taur Matan Ruak falando português, e posso te afirmar que essa língua que ele fala no vídeo é o Tétum, que em seu vocabulário, tem muitas palavras de origem portuguesa. Tétum é a outra língua oficial de Timor Leste.
Muchas gracias, amigo. De facto 750 miliones de personas no és un número nada desprezivel. En verdad las lenguas latinas son fuertes en su essencia. Em muchos puestos del mundo, si impuseran naturalmente, sin ayuda del poder economico. Mira que los holandeses quedaran mucho más tiempo en toda Indonésia que los portugueses, pero hoy por cuanto el portugues sigue hablado em Timor y otras plazas, el holandes está praticamente extinto por allá.
Adopting Portuguese has an official language makes a whole lot of sense, for two reasons. First, specially due to geographic localization, if Tetun evolves with the help of English or Bahasa, it will simply die. Second, it is an identity issue - Taur Matan Ruak itself stated that the Portuguese language is a symbol of uniqueness to Timor, since it is the only country in Asia where Portuguese is spoken. Besides, it was the language of the resistance, during several years
@sayyid14 The Spanish language is one of the legacies Spain left us and it's part of us as Portuguese language to the Timorese. Most Filipinos speak 2-3 Filipino languages and Spanish may be their 4th or 5th for some. We're born multilingual. We love both our Pre-Hispanic and Hispanic culture. All the stuffs you're saying are true and tangible but it's not enough to restore what was lost before 1521. 3 Centuries of Spanish rule is something that couldn't be taken away. =)
É verdade que no Tétum a maioria das palavras são em português, mas isso que José María de Vasconcelos está falando é Tétum. Eu já ouvi Vasconcelos falar português e fala realmente muito bem, e fala sem violência. Não sei por que neste vídeo ele fala com violência. Ele está dizendo de forma violenta que o tribunal use o tétum nas sentenças (e não o português) Gostei do comentário de The Saltube, mas parece impossível pedir seriedade a Vasconcelos que agora se beneficia depois que seu povo sofreu
Dear General Taur, by orign my ancestors are from Bobonaro. I was born and grew up in West part of Timor. I like to Study portugues language and I have done it. Portuguese ianguage has been part of east Timor culture.
@Weniueni: The original Tetun (Tetun Terik) or Tetun Belu spoken in some other part of East Timor and mainly in West Timor is a very rich language similar to other south east asian languages and has very little Portuguese influence. It’s impossible for a culture/language to remain uninfluenced after a long period of colonization as it happened in my country. Also Tetun did not have any official recognition or support under either Portuguese or Indonesian rule.
Thanks for you perception. Anyway, more than 90% of Timorese can speak Tetum/Tetun Prasa (Portuguese influenced, spoken mainly in Dili) or traditional Tetun (in rural areas). Even people in the remote regions who never went to school can easily learn to speak it as a second language. Our context is different from Latin American or African nations where Portuguese, Spanish, English etc is used due the non-existence of a neutral language like Tetum, or like Bahasa Indonesia in Indonesia.
Você pode especialmente se fala o espanhol. E muito parecido. Take some Spanish classes over there in the Philippines and then Portuguese and you will see the close relation.
O tetum nao pode funcionar bem como a lingua nacional sozinha porque carecem de muitos vocabulos,mais de metade de tetum falado ou escrito sao derivados de portugues.A presente geracao tem dificuldades em compreender a lingua portuguesa,mas na proxima geracao o problema iria desaparecer.
Ele nao diz que a lingua portuguesa vai ser apagada como a lingua oficial. Ele diz que a lingua Tetun tem que ser usada no Tribunal. Eu penso que isto e uma razao correcta porque quase as audiencias no Tribunal nao comprendem e falam bem Portugues.
Well many Timorese has been victim of the so call Portuguese language in the court. As a Timorese I can't understand the language which has been adopted as our national language. So many Timorese can't defend them self in front of the court due to the judges and Prosecutors whom hire by UN only speak portuguese and the suspects or victims most of them only speaks tetun. I would prefer to use portuguese to enrich our Tetun no to use it as an official language.
How about investing in learning Portuguese and instructing good translators? Your proposal shows a little bit of laziness since in 20 years of independence. You do not want Portuguese but tetun is getting worse spoken and written and you write in English...
A língua castelhana ( espanhol ) caiu em desuso nas Filipinas por causa da massiva norte americanização que aquele país sofreu. Se ensino foi desencorajado em favor do "English". Acho que todas as línguas latinas deveriam lutar por seu espaço. O espanhol é a mais falada nas Américas, inclusive com alta penetração nos espaços ditos Anglo Saxões. O português é bem espalhado pelo mundo, mesmo que o império luso tenha declinado faz tempo, a língua é forte, e continua sendo falada em muitos lugares.
Karena kami masyarakat Filipina tidak perlu belajar Bahasa Ispanyol karena Bahasa Ispanyol adalah tak berguna di bangsa kami. Apatah guna Bahasa Ispanyol ketika bangsa tetangga kami tidak berbicara Bahasa Ispanyol. Sehingga Bahasa Inggris adalah berguna di bangsa kami dan tahukah banyak orang Filipina pergi ke Indonesia untuk mengajarkan Bahasa Inggris di Indonesia karena banyak orang Filipina mengetahui Bahasa Inggris. Because we Filipino people doesn't need Spanish language because Spanish language is useless in our country. What's the worth of Spanish language while our neighboring countries doesn't speak Spanish. Therefore English language is useful in our country and do you know that a lots of Filipinos come to Indonesia to teach English because a lots of Filipinos knows how to speak English.
I totally agree, amen to that! People just try to grab on to any excuse for their poor misery or performance. It is more or less the administration put into office and how well they are able to manage their resources.
@sayyid14 Spanish is one of the 6 official languages of the UN. There are more than 400 million who speak Spanish worldwide and it's not only limited to Spain alone. They are pushing Portuguese to be official in the UN as well.
@sayyid14 Spanish is also a Filipino language as Mexican, Cuban, Peruvian own Spanish. Spain doesn't own it anymore. It made our culture rich and we both love our Pre-Hispanic and Hispanic culture. We didn't lose our identity. It made it even richer. Although Spanish ceased to become official the government is promoting it again. Because of Spain we became one nation if not we would become an archipelago of little island nations. It's by blood that connects us with ASEAN nothing else.
Que aprendam a lingua mãe . Eu v sou portugues vivo na Belgica e falo 4 linguas tal como meus filhos sem qualquer problema-Aqui todo mundo fala várias linguas--vai ser muito bom para geraçoes vindouras falar v´rias linguas, inclusive o português.
Hello! greet from Manado, North Sulawesi! there are a lot of Portuguese words being used for our local language as well. :) I'd like to ask if Timorese can speak Bahasa or not?
@sayyid14 I don't know. PH has a totally different historical background. The Dutch and the British had different ways of running their colonies. As far as I know, the presence of Spain in her former colonies is always there. Maybe the Dutch and the British kept their culture among themselves and refused to impart. I don't know. =)
Timor is a very diverse country, with dozens of dozens of native languages aside from Tetum. I don't think that the Atonis and Fatalukus would want Tetum to be imposed on them. I blame Indonesia for suppressing Portuguese. They knew that the language was a symbol of unity for the Timorese; that's why Gusmão and the resistance used it. I for one would like to see a fully Lusophone Timor-Leste. If only I spoke Portuguese I'd teach there for free.
@sayyid14 The presence of French in Indochina was poor compared with 300+ years of Spanish presence in the Philippines and 250+ years of Portuguese presence in Timor-Leste.
@sayyid14 By the way, in your country (more specifically in Malacca) there's still a community of Portuguese-speaking people. The Portuguese were expelled from Malacca by the Dutch in 1641 (almost 4 centuries ago) and never returned, but their presence is still there. Does this say enough to you about the Portuguese colonization in Asia?
There is no need for any country to 'ban', 'abolish', or 'ditch' any language, and the sooner people get out of this negative mindset, the better. Besides, Portuguese was the language of resistance during the Indonesian occupation. Our Constitution determines that Tetum and Portuguese are our official languages and Indonesian and English are our working languages. Can one be more open-minded and pragmatic than that?
As a Timorese, though I’m not educated in Portuguese and am more proficient in Tetun, Indonesian& English, I am against the view that somehow the whole world would be a better place if we all surrendered to the dominance of the English language and dump our historical languages and roots. The adoption of both Tetum and Portuguese would eliminate a feared division between the older Portuguese-fluent generation and the younger Tetum-fluent youth, who are more proficient in English or Indonesian.
Major General Taur Matan Ruak , I can't agree with you more. Tetun is the language of TL and the language that not only represents but, infact, IS the personalification of the very national identity of Timor Lorosa'e. Enforcing the use of Portuguese is not very different from what the Indonesian did to Timor Lorosa'e when it demanded that all Timorere were obliged by law to speak bahasa Indonesia. Please make Tetun the main language and teach Portuguese as an ADDITIONAL (or SECOND) language if you will. But Tetun is the national language of Timor Lorosa'e.
And you say that in English... Where is the effort to strengthen Tetun, spoken and written everyday even worse? Just laziness in learning a language...
Oi cara eu sou de alguns deles que você chama hispano lol, mas eu entendo e eu posso ter uma conversação com os brasileiros e os portugueses. Eu acho que ambas lingua são importante especialmente no futuro.
Em 75 e depois disso viamos pelas equipes da tv portuguêsa entrevistas aos guerrilheiros o caso do Nicoulau Lobato-comandante Alex e muitos outros em português correto------então se agora não sabem os antigos sabiam-Sei que falar em portugues com ocupação indonésia isso era sentença de morte---mas eles nunca esqueceram e vimos isso na independencia.
@sayyid14 Bahasa is still regional and is spoken only by 2-5 countries in ASEAN alone. It should be in the pandemic level meaning it should be spoken more than that number of countries in every parts of the world. I'm not saying it wouldn't get through the UN but it's worth the try I guess. In the case of Spanish, it's increasing since US has a large influx of Latino immigrants. 20-30 years from now US will become a Hispanic country.
I see, i hope that East Timorese will be able to fluently speak and understand both Tetum and Portuguese. I think you must keep your Portuguese language, because it's the heritage in your country as well. Those two languages combined with proficiency in English should be perfect.
Não, não sou do Timor Leste. É verdade e concordo comtigo que a lingua castelhana é falado nas maiores partes das Américas. Mas eu também vejo a importância da lingua potuguesa. Por exemplo onde eu trabalh há mutios brasileiros que falam em espanhol.
Today many of the practical consequences of the Portuguese language's prominent status in East Timor remain troublesome. Judges speak mostly in Portuguese even though few in the courtroom - defendants and witnesses included - can understand it. Live translation often fails to prevent confusion and misunderstanding. Legislation is sometimes drafted only in Portuguese, leaving some parliamentarians unable to read a bill they are voting on. wwwtimecom/time/world/article/0,8599,2103483,00.html
Que aprendam a lingua mãe . Eu v sou portugues vivo na Belgica e falo 4 linguas tal como meus filhos sem qualquer problema-Aqui todo mundo fala várias linguas
@TheSabraut yeah we are proud cause our language is rich.... it's the fith most spoken language of the world.... we call it brazilian portuguse because we speak it our way far different from po
what dou you propose ? do you propose that a country which was once a colony of portugal , and has a link with portuguese language should adopt english as the official language ?
So the more rational ideas, they adopt "Indonesian" as their sole official language. Because they was former Indonesian territory, you know being territory is much more better than become Portugese colony.
@@IrsyadMuhammadxkmn Timorese people voted against integration in Indonesia in 1999 and voted for a Constitutional Assembly which instituted two official languages, Tetun and Portuguese. Using Indonesian as sole official language would be the same as to spit in the efforts of those who brought us freedom.
And how does one explain the ongoing “fragile state” of some Pacific islands and sub-Saharan African countries, which were under British rule and adopted English as their official language since independence? And how does one explain the ongoing “fragile state” of some Pacific islands and sub-Saharan African countries, which were under British rule and adopted English as their official language since independence? Aren’t they supposed to be much better off?
Hiduplah Sayyid!!! I was born in South Africa. My ancestors are from Maluku and I love our islands. Brother Sayyid I agree with you. However, I do not call our people AUSTRONESIAN. I like to think of us as Malayo Polynesian because that term rightfully includes our cousins from all the islands. One day some idiot decided to call us Austronesian, as if we are connected to Australia!!!
Agora mesmo só o dez por cento ou menos falam a língua espanhola, mas no século dezenove a maioria da população falavam castelhano. Uma pergunta porque você não gosta da língua castelhana? Eu falo ambos e gosto muito do português e acho que desrespeitar é esquecer das raízes Ibérias.
vc é de algum deles ? vc é hispano ? ou é timorlestino ? mas que ambas sao é verdade, espanhol é falado em praticamente toda a america.... muitos de nos brasileiros falamos espanhol...
Agora fasil ona muda lian Português ba Tetun iha Tribunal, tamba Na'i agora iha ona poder nudar primeiro Ministro. Labele ida sei iha liur koalia maibe bain hira iha tiha poder nonok tiha ne ladun diak na'i PM. A luta kontinua.
@sayyid14 If not influenced by Spanish liberal ideas adapted by our national heroes we wouldn't be independent as early as 1898. Our heroes mestizo and native alike spoke and wrote Spanish well in their written propaganda for independence.The Americans hampered the use of Spanish in our country and it prevented us to become the only Spanish-speaking nation in Asia. Let the Timorese embrace Portuguese ad Tetum. I feel for Timor-Leste ¡Viva la Hispanidad y Lusofonía!
And if English is the key to Timor Leste’s future then I presume it must also be every poor country’s road from rags to riches. I don’t think that it was the English language that actually catapulted nations like Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy and France into major industrial powers? And how does one explain Portuguese-speaking Brazil’s rise to global economic status overtaking aging England to become the world’s sixth-largest economy?
as a know, They use porto bcoz they are (elits minority) are mestizos (half porto/decendand of Colonial Ruler). majority of the people (indigineous people) only understand Tetum or local language. Dutch and Portuguese divided Timor island into two.
The General above, as many more, are not mestizos and speak fluent Portuguese. And if they were mestizos, what is the problem? Are you racist with pribumism ideas? get a DNA test and get chocked. We're not only the colour of our skin.
@sayyid14 You refer Portuguese as a colonial language, but you also say that "Timor Should Used Bahasa". That makes absolutely no sense. Indonesia was the one who colonized Timor in the worst sense of the word. Ask Ramos Horta, Xanana Gusmão or even Taur Matan Ruak what they think about the Portuguese colonial Era (there are some videos about it on TH-cam) and perhaps you'll understand why they decided to keep Portuguese as an official language.
Jeneral ida mas koalia uja emosi hanesan ema beik...la fo argument maibe buka nervous deit...sim komprende konstitusi mas hakara lori nia pangkat ne para hakat liu tiu impoe nia hakarak.
@sayyid14 Let's face it. In this global competition, English is no longer enough. One should learn a second or third language nowadays. 'Colonies' are things from the PAST and we've moved on. =) I even heard of Chabacano de Zamboangueño, a Filipino Spanish-based creole spoken in the shores of Semporna.
@akosigundam LOL Bro, I would too... but Spanish for Filipinas. This is why I'm against Tetum as well... the horrors of nationalism will challenge those who don't speak Tetum. hmm, doesn't this seem familiar with our country's situation? hmm.....
@sayyid14 Uhmm we didn't forget it but let's face it our being Malay is antedated by our Hispanic roots. It's still there though but mixed that's why it's called Hispanic: a mixture of something indigenous (Malay) and Spanish culture equals Filipino Hispanic culture while Latin America: indigenous Indian, African (from slaves) plus Spanish culture equals Hispanic. What's different from other Spanish colonies like Mexico, Colombia etc we've preserved our local languages and that's a good thing.
General iha razão. Hau concorda ho ita-bot mas diak liu tan quando ita bot hato ita nia hanoin mas la bele nervoso. Selae ita bot so para gasta deit jornalista sira nia tempo durante minuto tolu para kolia repete ba repete mai hela deit tamba nervoso maka domina tia ita bot
@sayyid14 I hate malay nationalism also, why did they take Spanish away from Philippines and put English? Spanish is a great language a beautiful language and more useful globally than Malay languages.
who told you spanish is better ? portuguese is harder to learn... i speak only portuguese but i can understand a hispanic person easily... but they cannot understand me... unless they've leanerd the portunhol already...
I thing you should use Tetun coz you are Timorese Melanesian/Asian not Europian, dont let those colonial portuguese influence your people and destroy your Timor or Melanesian culture
How dare you insult my native language by calling it “poor” while you Brazilians don’t even have a unifying language and have been using an European language Portuguese all the time as the neutral language in your country! At least we have our own neutral language (lingua franca) which is Tetun Prasa (Tetun-Dili) to communicate with each other nationwide regardless of how Portuguese influenced this language is.
@lororise, @ Lorisae. Ita bot iha razao. Dala ruma mos lalika edit para ita bele kenal didiak ita nia bot sira nia cara kolia. Pronto, apesar de nia repete dala barak mas hau concorda ho nia essencial. Dala ruma tamba kestaun ne importante ne maka Sr Taur repete ba mai deit e jornalista sira mos ta deit row footage ne.
Estoy curioso sobre este tema de la lengua Castellana en las Filipinas. Hay mucha gente que lo estudia? Que lastima que no es tan promovido porque definitivamente abren puerta a otras oportunidades.
Este homem desconsidera os esforço dos professores brasileiros e portugueses que de forma livre ensinam o povo timorense a falar e escrever uma língua que os distingue de todos os outros povos da região. Foi a língua da resistência para que os indonésios não percebessem patavina. Estive dois anos como militar em Baucau, Ossu e Baguia. Aprendi o tetun em pouco mais de um mês, isto diz tudo.
Muy de acuerdo con tu comentario. Hablantes de Espanol y Portugues suman juntas casi 750 millones de personas, vale la pena defender nuestros espacios en el mundo.
I had a Portuguese subject/class only at high school and now I could say when watching Portuguese channels I can understand 75% of what is being said. So I have no doubt that the generations to come (learning Portuguese since elementary school) will not have problems with the language.The Timorese are proud that they are rich in culture and majestic in their own way. A very large percentage of us manage as many as three to five languages - a native language, Tetum,Indonesian,English&Portuguese.
We cannot keep Bahasa as Official Language just because there is a need to have communication with Malaysian, Indonesian and Bruneian. Choosing an official language is more than mere communication. Choosing an official language is to determine and to know deeply our own History, future and Identity which is really hard for other people to comprehend. Sometimes, to exercise your independence you need to determine your own official language, even if other countries dislike our decision.
Well, the General, a fluent Portuguese speaker, was actually urging Tetun to be used in trial process in the court until the next generation takes over. He is not against the use of Portuguese. The main issue is the interpreters are not proficient in Portuguese because our generation like them were not educated in Portuguese but Indonesian since elementary school. And we are excellent Indonesian speakers in just 25 years of Indonesian occupation. So Portuguese is just a matter of time.
Eu já assisti um vídeo de Taur Matan Ruak falando português, e posso te afirmar que essa língua que ele fala no vídeo é o Tétum, que em seu vocabulário, tem muitas palavras de origem portuguesa. Tétum é a outra língua oficial de Timor Leste.
Ele fala corretamente português.
Muchas gracias, amigo. De facto 750 miliones de personas no és un número nada desprezivel. En verdad las lenguas latinas son fuertes en su essencia. Em muchos puestos del mundo, si impuseran naturalmente, sin ayuda del poder economico. Mira que los holandeses quedaran mucho más tiempo en toda Indonésia que los portugueses, pero hoy por cuanto el portugues sigue hablado em Timor y otras plazas, el holandes está praticamente extinto por allá.
Adopting Portuguese has an official language makes a whole lot of sense, for two reasons. First, specially due to geographic localization, if Tetun evolves with the help of English or Bahasa, it will simply die. Second, it is an identity issue - Taur Matan Ruak itself stated that the Portuguese language is a symbol of uniqueness to Timor, since it is the only country in Asia where Portuguese is spoken. Besides, it was the language of the resistance, during several years
@sayyid14 The Spanish language is one of the legacies Spain left us and it's part of us as Portuguese language to the Timorese. Most Filipinos speak 2-3 Filipino languages and Spanish may be their 4th or 5th for some. We're born multilingual. We love both our Pre-Hispanic and Hispanic culture. All the stuffs you're saying are true and tangible but it's not enough to restore what was lost before 1521. 3 Centuries of Spanish rule is something that couldn't be taken away. =)
É verdade que no Tétum a maioria das palavras são em português, mas isso que José María de Vasconcelos está falando é Tétum. Eu já ouvi Vasconcelos falar português e fala realmente muito bem, e fala sem violência.
Não sei por que neste vídeo ele fala com violência. Ele está dizendo de forma violenta que o tribunal use o tétum nas sentenças (e não o português)
Gostei do comentário de The Saltube, mas parece impossível pedir seriedade a Vasconcelos que agora se beneficia depois que seu povo sofreu
Dear General Taur, by orign my ancestors are from Bobonaro. I was born and grew up in West part of Timor. I like to Study portugues language and I have done it. Portuguese ianguage has been part of east Timor culture.
@Weniueni: The original Tetun (Tetun Terik) or Tetun Belu spoken in some other part of East Timor and mainly in West Timor is a very rich language similar to other south east asian languages and has very little Portuguese influence. It’s impossible for a culture/language to remain uninfluenced after a long period of colonization as it happened in my country. Also Tetun did not have any official recognition or support under either Portuguese or Indonesian rule.
Thanks for you perception. Anyway, more than 90% of Timorese can speak Tetum/Tetun Prasa (Portuguese influenced, spoken mainly in Dili) or traditional Tetun (in rural areas). Even people in the remote regions who never went to school can easily learn to speak it as a second language. Our context is different from Latin American or African nations where Portuguese, Spanish, English etc is used due the non-existence of a neutral language like Tetum, or like Bahasa Indonesia in Indonesia.
Você pode especialmente se fala o espanhol. E muito parecido.
Take some Spanish classes over there in the Philippines and then Portuguese and you will see the close relation.
Sim concordo contigo!!!Nasci em Timor ainda no tempo da colonia portuguesa,e deixei ha mais de 3 decadas...Obrigado e um abraco...
O tetum nao pode funcionar bem como a lingua nacional sozinha porque carecem de muitos vocabulos,mais de metade de tetum falado ou escrito sao derivados de portugues.A presente geracao tem dificuldades em compreender a lingua portuguesa,mas na proxima geracao o problema iria desaparecer.
Ele nao diz que a lingua portuguesa vai ser apagada como a lingua oficial. Ele diz que a lingua Tetun tem que ser usada no Tribunal. Eu penso que isto e uma razao correcta porque quase as audiencias no Tribunal nao comprendem e falam bem Portugues.
Well many Timorese has been victim of the so call Portuguese language in the court. As a Timorese I can't understand the language which has been adopted as our national language. So many Timorese can't defend them self in front of the court due to the judges and Prosecutors whom hire by UN only speak portuguese and the suspects or victims most of them only speaks tetun. I would prefer to use portuguese to enrich our Tetun no to use it as an official language.
How about investing in learning Portuguese and instructing good translators? Your proposal shows a little bit of laziness since in 20 years of independence. You do not want Portuguese but tetun is getting worse spoken and written and you write in English...
A língua castelhana ( espanhol ) caiu em desuso nas Filipinas por causa da massiva norte americanização que aquele país sofreu. Se ensino foi desencorajado em favor do "English". Acho que todas as línguas latinas deveriam lutar por seu espaço. O espanhol é a mais falada nas Américas, inclusive com alta penetração nos espaços ditos Anglo Saxões. O português é bem espalhado pelo mundo, mesmo que o império luso tenha declinado faz tempo, a língua é forte, e continua sendo falada em muitos lugares.
Karena kami masyarakat Filipina tidak perlu belajar Bahasa Ispanyol karena Bahasa Ispanyol adalah tak berguna di bangsa kami. Apatah guna Bahasa Ispanyol ketika bangsa tetangga kami tidak berbicara Bahasa Ispanyol. Sehingga Bahasa Inggris adalah berguna di bangsa kami dan tahukah banyak orang Filipina pergi ke Indonesia untuk mengajarkan Bahasa Inggris di Indonesia karena banyak orang Filipina mengetahui Bahasa Inggris.
Because we Filipino people doesn't need Spanish language because Spanish language is useless in our country. What's the worth of Spanish language while our neighboring countries doesn't speak Spanish. Therefore English language is useful in our country and do you know that a lots of Filipinos come to Indonesia to teach English because a lots of Filipinos knows how to speak English.
Vivi em Portugal por alguns anos e emigrei para Australia desde 1981...abracos...
Eu acho o mesmo! Que viva a Hispanidade e a Lusofonia.
Ojala que mas gente en las Filipinas piensan lo mismo.
@TempoSemanal The courts should both use Portuguese and Tetum to encourage more people to learn them vice versa
I totally agree, amen to that! People just try to grab on to any excuse for their poor misery or performance. It is more or less the administration put into office and how well they are able to manage their resources.
@sayyid14 Spanish is one of the 6 official languages of the UN. There are more than 400 million who speak Spanish worldwide and it's not only limited to Spain alone. They are pushing Portuguese to be official in the UN as well.
@sayyid14 Spanish is also a Filipino language as Mexican, Cuban, Peruvian own Spanish. Spain doesn't own it anymore. It made our culture rich and we both love our Pre-Hispanic and Hispanic culture. We didn't lose our identity. It made it even richer. Although Spanish ceased to become official the government is promoting it again. Because of Spain we became one nation if not we would become an archipelago of little island nations. It's by blood that connects us with ASEAN nothing else.
Que aprendam a lingua mãe . Eu v sou portugues vivo na Belgica e falo 4 linguas tal como meus filhos sem qualquer problema-Aqui todo mundo fala várias linguas--vai ser muito bom para geraçoes vindouras falar v´rias linguas, inclusive o português.
Hello! greet from Manado, North Sulawesi! there are a lot of Portuguese words being used for our local language as well. :) I'd like to ask if Timorese can speak Bahasa or not?
@sayyid14 I don't know. PH has a totally different historical background. The Dutch and the British had different ways of running their colonies. As far as I know, the presence of Spain in her former colonies is always there. Maybe the Dutch and the British kept their culture among themselves and refused to impart. I don't know. =)
Timor is a very diverse country, with dozens of dozens of native languages aside from Tetum. I don't think that the Atonis and Fatalukus would want Tetum to be imposed on them.
I blame Indonesia for suppressing Portuguese. They knew that the language was a symbol of unity for the Timorese; that's why Gusmão and the resistance used it.
I for one would like to see a fully Lusophone Timor-Leste. If only I spoke Portuguese I'd teach there for free.
@sayyid14 The presence of French in Indochina was poor compared with 300+ years of Spanish presence in the Philippines and 250+ years of Portuguese presence in Timor-Leste.
@sayyid14 By the way, in your country (more specifically in Malacca) there's still a community of Portuguese-speaking people. The Portuguese were expelled from Malacca by the Dutch in 1641 (almost 4 centuries ago) and never returned, but their presence is still there. Does this say enough to you about the Portuguese colonization in Asia?
There is no need for any country to 'ban', 'abolish', or 'ditch' any language, and the sooner people get out of this negative mindset, the better. Besides, Portuguese was the language of resistance during the Indonesian occupation. Our Constitution determines that Tetum and Portuguese are our official languages and Indonesian and English are our working languages. Can one be more open-minded and pragmatic than that?
As a Timorese, though I’m not educated in Portuguese and am more proficient in Tetun, Indonesian& English, I am against the view that somehow the whole world would be a better place if we all surrendered to the dominance of the English language and dump our historical languages and roots. The adoption of both Tetum and Portuguese would eliminate a feared division between the older Portuguese-fluent generation and the younger Tetum-fluent youth, who are more proficient in English or Indonesian.
@rosadobigd Filipinas ha vuelto de estudiar y hablar español.
Major General Taur Matan Ruak , I can't agree with you more. Tetun is the language of TL and the language that not only represents but, infact, IS the personalification of the very national identity of Timor Lorosa'e. Enforcing the use of Portuguese is not very different from what the Indonesian did to Timor Lorosa'e when it demanded that all Timorere were obliged by law to speak bahasa Indonesia. Please make Tetun the main language and teach Portuguese as an ADDITIONAL (or SECOND) language if you will. But Tetun is the national language of Timor Lorosa'e.
And you say that in English... Where is the effort to strengthen Tetun, spoken and written everyday even worse? Just laziness in learning a language...
@moentheng East Timor is already an independent country. They chose Tetum and Portuguese to be official so let it be. =P
Oi cara eu sou de alguns deles que você chama hispano lol, mas eu entendo e eu posso ter uma conversação com os brasileiros e os portugueses. Eu acho que ambas lingua são importante especialmente no futuro.
Em 75 e depois disso viamos pelas equipes da tv portuguêsa entrevistas aos guerrilheiros o caso do Nicoulau Lobato-comandante Alex e muitos outros em português correto------então se agora não sabem os antigos sabiam-Sei que falar em portugues com ocupação indonésia isso era sentença de morte---mas eles nunca esqueceram e vimos isso na independencia.
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@sayyid14 Bahasa is still regional and is spoken only by 2-5 countries in ASEAN alone. It should be in the pandemic level meaning it should be spoken more than that number of countries in every parts of the world. I'm not saying it wouldn't get through the UN but it's worth the try I guess. In the case of Spanish, it's increasing since US has a large influx of Latino immigrants. 20-30 years from now US will become a Hispanic country.
I see, i hope that East Timorese will be able to fluently speak and understand both Tetum and Portuguese. I think you must keep your Portuguese language, because it's the heritage in your country as well. Those two languages combined with proficiency in English should be perfect.
Não, não sou do Timor Leste. É verdade e concordo comtigo que a lingua castelhana é falado nas maiores partes das Américas. Mas eu também vejo a importância da lingua potuguesa. Por exemplo onde eu trabalh há mutios brasileiros que falam em espanhol.
but i can clearly understand portuguese PT
Today many of the practical consequences of the Portuguese language's prominent status in East Timor remain troublesome. Judges speak mostly in Portuguese even though few in the courtroom - defendants and witnesses included - can understand it. Live translation often fails to prevent confusion and misunderstanding. Legislation is sometimes drafted only in Portuguese, leaving some parliamentarians unable to read a bill they are voting on.
wwwtimecom/time/world/article/0,8599,2103483,00.html
100% speaks bahasa Indonesia.. But some Portuguese bastards felt they want to have blue eyes and blonde hair.. What a joke.
Que aprendam a lingua mãe . Eu v sou portugues vivo na Belgica e falo 4 linguas tal como meus filhos sem qualquer problema-Aqui todo mundo fala várias linguas
@TheSabraut yeah we are proud cause our language is rich.... it's the fith most spoken language of the world.... we call it brazilian portuguse because we speak it our way far different from po
@sayyid14 Europeans didn't mess up your countries they improved it. All cultural exchanges make your countries better.
isto não é português, é tétum uma lingua asiatica com imensas palavras portuguesas e algumas inglesas
hau concorda 100% ba S.E. Presidente taun Matan Ruak nia liafuan katak saida mak acontece iha Rai doben Timor ne Historia mak halo.
Os melhores da Asia é o Timor Leste e as Filipinas. Ambos Paises da raça Iberia.
Que vivan sus pueblos.
what dou you propose ? do you propose that a country which was once a colony of portugal , and has a link with portuguese language should adopt english as the official language ?
So the more rational ideas, they adopt "Indonesian" as their sole official language. Because they was former Indonesian territory, you know being territory is much more better than become Portugese colony.
@@IrsyadMuhammadxkmn Timorese people voted against integration in Indonesia in 1999 and voted for a Constitutional Assembly which instituted two official languages, Tetun and Portuguese. Using Indonesian as sole official language would be the same as to spit in the efforts of those who brought us freedom.
Timor Leste tem que falar português nas ruas e nas escolas, além do tétum. E nos tribunais também.
I speak Malay and I understood quite a number of words.
Malingsia
And how does one explain the ongoing “fragile state” of some Pacific islands and sub-Saharan African countries, which were under British rule and adopted English as their official language since independence? And how does one explain the ongoing “fragile state” of some Pacific islands and sub-Saharan African countries, which were under British rule and adopted English as their official language since independence? Aren’t they supposed to be much better off?
Hiduplah Sayyid!!! I was born in South Africa. My ancestors are from Maluku and I love our islands. Brother Sayyid I agree with you. However, I do not call our people AUSTRONESIAN. I like to think of us as Malayo Polynesian because that term rightfully includes our cousins from all the islands. One day some idiot decided to call us Austronesian, as if we are connected to Australia!!!
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Agora mesmo só o dez por cento ou menos falam a língua espanhola, mas no século dezenove a maioria da população falavam castelhano. Uma pergunta porque você não gosta da língua castelhana? Eu falo ambos e gosto muito do português e acho que desrespeitar é esquecer das raízes Ibérias.
vc é de algum deles ? vc é hispano ? ou é timorlestino ? mas que ambas sao é verdade, espanhol é falado em praticamente toda a america.... muitos de nos brasileiros falamos espanhol...
Agora fasil ona muda lian Português ba Tetun iha Tribunal, tamba Na'i agora iha ona poder nudar primeiro Ministro. Labele ida sei iha liur koalia maibe bain hira iha tiha poder nonok tiha ne ladun diak na'i PM. A luta kontinua.
@sayyid14 If not influenced by Spanish liberal ideas adapted by our national heroes we wouldn't be independent as early as 1898. Our heroes mestizo and native alike spoke and wrote Spanish well in their written propaganda for independence.The Americans hampered the use of Spanish in our country and it prevented us to become the only Spanish-speaking nation in Asia. Let the Timorese embrace Portuguese ad Tetum. I feel for Timor-Leste ¡Viva la Hispanidad y Lusofonía!
And if English is the key to Timor Leste’s future then I presume it must also be every poor country’s road from rags to riches. I don’t think that it was the English language that actually catapulted nations like Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy and France into major industrial powers? And how does one explain Portuguese-speaking Brazil’s rise to global economic status overtaking aging England to become the world’s sixth-largest economy?
cara indo no wikepedia e pegando umas dicas de sua lingua eu entendo quase tudo desse seu tetun...
as a know,
They use porto bcoz they are (elits minority) are mestizos (half porto/decendand of Colonial Ruler). majority of the people (indigineous people) only understand Tetum or local language. Dutch and Portuguese divided Timor island into two.
The General above, as many more, are not mestizos and speak fluent Portuguese. And if they were mestizos, what is the problem? Are you racist with pribumism ideas? get a DNA test and get chocked. We're not only the colour of our skin.
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@sayyid14 You refer Portuguese as a colonial language, but you also say that "Timor Should Used Bahasa". That makes absolutely no sense. Indonesia was the one who colonized Timor in the worst sense of the word. Ask Ramos Horta, Xanana Gusmão or even Taur Matan Ruak what they think about the Portuguese colonial Era (there are some videos about it on TH-cam) and perhaps you'll understand why they decided to keep Portuguese as an official language.
Jeneral ida mas koalia uja emosi hanesan ema beik...la fo argument maibe buka nervous deit...sim komprende konstitusi mas hakara lori nia pangkat ne para hakat liu tiu impoe nia hakarak.
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You can have both languages its not hard, dont let those Indonesian influenced people destroy your history
@sayyid14 Let's face it. In this global competition, English is no longer enough. One should learn a second or third language nowadays. 'Colonies' are things from the PAST and we've moved on. =) I even heard of Chabacano de Zamboangueño, a Filipino Spanish-based creole spoken in the shores of Semporna.
Ummmmmmm, Tetum?!
Nao e muito dificil, amigo...
I speak portuguese from Brazil, and i didnt understand a single word o_o
Because he speaks Tetum, a completely separate language.
Tem razao Major!!!
tu é de timor ? se for vc escreve bem em portugues... vendo esse cana falar esse tetum tem muitas palavras que sao derivadas do portugues mesmo....
@akosigundam
LOL Bro, I would too... but Spanish for Filipinas.
This is why I'm against Tetum as well... the horrors of nationalism will challenge those who don't speak Tetum. hmm, doesn't this seem familiar with our country's situation? hmm.....
@sayyid14 Uhmm we didn't forget it but let's face it our being Malay is antedated by our Hispanic roots. It's still there though but mixed that's why it's called Hispanic: a mixture of something indigenous (Malay) and Spanish culture equals Filipino Hispanic culture while Latin America: indigenous Indian, African (from slaves) plus Spanish culture equals Hispanic. What's different from other Spanish colonies like Mexico, Colombia etc we've preserved our local languages and that's a good thing.
Oh? How about you remove all Portuguese loanwords from Tetum, for starters?
nossa que legal... foi para algum pais luso ? enfim abraços e te mais brodi...
General iha razão. Hau concorda ho ita-bot mas diak liu tan quando ita bot hato ita nia hanoin mas la bele nervoso. Selae ita bot so para gasta deit jornalista sira nia tempo durante minuto tolu para kolia repete ba repete mai hela deit tamba nervoso maka domina tia ita bot
bom que alguem te entende falando essa lingua doida...
não entendi isso é portugues?
los kedang avo taur
Tinan hira ba kotuk.. Kahatene agora oinsa
@sayyid14 I hate malay nationalism also, why did they take Spanish away from Philippines and put English? Spanish is a great language a beautiful language and more useful globally than Malay languages.
who told you spanish is better ? portuguese is harder to learn... i speak only portuguese but i can understand a hispanic person easily... but they cannot understand me... unless they've leanerd the portunhol already...
I thing you should use Tetun coz you are Timorese Melanesian/Asian not Europian, dont let those colonial portuguese influence your people and destroy your Timor or Melanesian culture
How dare you insult my native language by calling it “poor” while you Brazilians don’t even have a unifying language and have been using an European language Portuguese all the time as the neutral language in your country! At least we have our own neutral language (lingua franca) which is Tetun Prasa (Tetun-Dili) to communicate with each other nationwide regardless of how Portuguese influenced this language is.
Pelos comentários que tenho lido, os timorenses raramente falam português. Eu mandava regressar os professores e todos os cooperantes a Portugal.
Labele kolia portugues,, diak maun jenderal salam papua??
@lororise, @ Lorisae. Ita bot iha razao. Dala ruma mos lalika edit para ita bele kenal didiak ita nia bot sira nia cara kolia. Pronto, apesar de nia repete dala barak mas hau concorda ho nia essencial. Dala ruma tamba kestaun ne importante ne maka Sr Taur repete ba mai deit e jornalista sira mos ta deit row footage ne.
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Estoy curioso sobre este tema de la lengua Castellana en las Filipinas. Hay mucha gente que lo estudia? Que lastima que no es tan promovido porque definitivamente abren puerta a otras oportunidades.
LMAO yeah leave the language that gave you peace and adopt the one that invaded you in 1974 the instant the portuguese left. kkkk
timor leste doesnt speak indonesian ?
they speak indonesia language.. but now.. they are getting speak portugese
Usa a língua que é falada por centenas de pessoas e a 5 língua mais falada no mundo fica de lado, bem há pessoas ignorantes em todo o lado.
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i teach you guys by the net... $30 the hour.... From BRASIL I AM FROM...
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Ha'u matenek kualia tetum.
tetum is based on português not "brasileiro"
ó inegurme xenófobo, era Tétum a língua usada
Agora bele muda.
espanhol nao é dificil...