Table Rock Lake is no different than Stockton. The quality of the bass fishing has shockingly declined. Everyone who fishes Table Rock is complaining. I hope the State wakes up soon and attacks this problem on multiple fronts: limits on the number of tournaments, prohibition of catch and keep tournaments, reduced creel limits on all species, and the prohibition of keeping bass during the months of April and May.
I quit fishing the Rock 2 years ago. Go on a 7 day trip with my dad and catch 10 or 15 keepers the whole week…. Not spending my hard earned money on trash fishing.
I Fish tablerock every weekend. Way too many Tournaments , but I have no problems finding nice limits of all species of fish. Stupid ignorant Boat Operators are my biggest issues. Never have fished Tournaments. Never will.
Ultimately, I have little faith that the Missouri fish and game officials will act. We all have to keep in mind that state wildlife departments are ultimately controlled by politicians. I doubt our fishery biologists will ever be allowed to take meaningful, effective steps to protect the quality of sport fishing in our state (until it is too late). The commercial interests are too powerful and entrenched to allow any changes that are deemed damaging to tourism (e.g., reducing the number of tournaments) or to the electronics manufacturers and retailers (e.g., controlling/restricting the use of ffs and other advanced electronics). Accordingly, we need to be very suspicious of any purported "studies" conducted by state fish and game departments. The outcome of these studies , if not outright predetermined, will at a minimum be heavily influenced by the politicians and the lobbyists.
As a local her in Grenada, livescope is a factor, having so many guides coming from out of state and taking 2 groups a clients a day is an issue too. I am glad that Mississippi did this, hopefully the out of state pressure will ease up so the fishing can get back to when we could keep 30 a day just 15 years ago.
I applaud the news, it's gotten out of control when you consider the increasing pressure that all fisheries are under as the human population grows. They need to make it more challenging to catch fish which simply means take a step or two back on what technology is allowed . I have always said that they should scale back on the electronics and force fisherman to rely more on skill and knowledge not just in tournaments but for anyone.
We should have a new government agency to regulate how many bass tournaments we can have across the country. For that matter, we should also limit the amount of days that we can fish each year.
Randy you are 100 percent spot on, I love your passion I’m the exact same way as you old school. It’s sad that these meat hunters can see it , its pathetic that people have to be so ignorant and greedy.
The state of Mississippi and all other states should ban the use of live scope altogether. Along with that ban all tournament fishing. Mississippi is only putting a little bandage on a big problem. You would think game and fish would be smarter today but they aren't.
They put the stricter regulations on everyone due to the effect on the fishery from those using FFS. How is that fair to the traditional fishermen who use skill and knowledge?
I completely agree with Randy's assessment of the problem and the steps needed to put some limits on this unnecessary technology which is undermining the quality of our fisheries and the wholesome nature of our sport. The resource needs to be protected from a myriad of factors which are working to weaken the very essence of what makes our sport so special. Pretending that this kind of intrusive technology does not or cannot degrade our fisheries is not unlike turning a blind eye to any other type of problem. I also wholly agree with the earlier comment regarding Tablerock Lake; I have fished and enjoyed it since 1974, and I know parts of it very well, and I can say without any hesitation, its not the lake that it once was, and a lot of that impression is based upon what it was 20 years ago versus what it is today. I cannot help but believe that the incessant tournament pressure it receives in conjunction with the advances made in marine technology have not played a role in its obvious decline. This is a matter of responsible management of our natural resources first and foremost so that what we have immensely enjoyed is there for our children and future generations to likewise enjoy. To do otherwise, is simply selfish and irresponsible. Consider how much our natural resources would benefit, if we anglers would donate the same level of money that is currently being spent on the technologies being used to enhance catch rates instead to the organizations and initiatives which are dedicated to conserving and improving our lakes, rivers and surrounding habitats.
It is a fact forward facing sonar is a problem. This is only the beginning. Hopefully New York State will do something soon. I have already seen major issues on the St. Lawrence river.
So they're saying that the limits that they originally set were unsustainable if people actually filled them? Doesn't sound like a livescope problem, sounds like fisheries didn't set limits well in the fiirst place.
Good for you….once you strap FFS to your boat, fish just start jumping in out of no where and force you to take each one of them home to filet them. On a serious note, there is nothing wrong with utilizing ever evolving technology. I am sure we all look for the newest technology in rod making or reel making or lure technology…electronics are no different. Just because you have FFS, does NOT mean you’re going to catch every fish you see. Probably not even 20 percent.
Agreed! Depending on the body of water pollution from sewage is a big deal also. Especially systems that overflow during heavy rains dumping raw sewage! I believe numbers of tournaments, numbers of fisherman and pollution are a bigger problem! BTW PA has always had a closed season during the spawn. I personally would love to see all the fish caught in weigh in tournaments be tagged. Then, after the tournaments dead fish attributable to tournaments that constitute some percentage or over, should result in the banning of tournaments by those organizations, until such time it can be proven that these fish can be handled, weighed and released and within reasonable limits live.
I honestly think that at the HS level they shouldn’t be allowed to us it. That’s when they should be learning the skills to compete, catch fish and deal with operations of a boat. And I know they have a boat captain (Dad) who drives the boat, but some limits need o be done as well. HS tournaments don’t require at 250 XP.
@@jameslovelace8958Rant coming… lol feel free to ignore, but this is my primary concern with it as far as the sport goes. I worked my ass off to create a high school trail. These kids don’t know how lucky they are to have the opportunities they have now… They get introduced to sponsors and scholarships are rewarded in these programs. Now dad is scoping them out and telling them where to cast. I was all in on ffs until I saw that really. I’m primarily an offshore guy so I have always used electronics a lot and ffs taught me new things and plenty of things I was completely wrong about… I appreciate all of that, but it’s too much in HS events… and I know that daddy’s money has always bought some advantages but before this a kid with real talent and mediocre gear could still compete and win too. I know because I captained a couple of boys to a win, a 2nd, a 5th and second in AOY points out of a mid 90’s 17’ Sprint with only 7 inch 2D graphs. They would probably have won the 2nd too but I cleaned out the boat and forgot to put the net back in it. 🤤🤤😂 lost a couple of 4lb smallmouth at the boat that day. 🥴 I haven’t captained the past couple years except one event I filled in for someone else… but I saw firsthand what was happening. When I first got mine I took my 9yo just to teach him to throw his new baitcaster… I didn’t even cast. I just played with the graph and pointed and picked backlashes. Lol little bit beat some flat out local sticks and barely could cast. I stayed way offshore so he could just sling it and not worry about being accurate or hanging up much. I figured I would chase some school of white bass or maybe smaller spots. He caught over 17lbs of spotted bass in a 3 hour derby. And heck, I was just starting to figure out ffs myself… I was still playing with the setup and didn’t even have it dialed in good yet… but nobody else had it so… anyway. It bothers me that kids are getting scholarships and endorsements that could launch a dream career just because daddy is good at scoping. Rant over… thanks for listening.
Had 2 high school boats pull in front of me this spring both within 100 yards of me at same time. Both scoping, yes I have it to, both were zeroing using it mine was off we caught 8 keepers behind them flipping told them how we caught them right back to scopin they went. Even with technology 90% of that generation will be lost because of lack of knowledge and skill. Ban it or keep it I'm catching mine with or without
I read alot of the comment's. Seems to me almost everyone here miss the 1 biggest point about fishing. It's the right for the people to harvest fish. So who decided it's a sport? It's a enjoyable job to gather healthy protein for the family. If the state governments would write laws with only that in mind. They would STOP derbys/ tournaments/guide service. In other words, Get the money out of fishing. Protect the fish for the general public that are willing to go out and gather the states natural rescorce for human consumption. Keep it at that. Protect the breeders by size is fine, but by making musky size limit like in greenbay wis. 54" is nothing more than pandering to the trophy hunting egotistical self serving mob that pay lobbyists to do their bidding. The average fisherman BE DAMMED.
@@DennisMorgan-ls8sc or the guides making a living from the publics food source. Take that one step further, all those catch and release people. Please look at it this way for a moment, YOU are wounding/killing/playing around with the "peoples" protein food supply. Just for your personal enjoyment. Kinda like what cats do to mice. And I won't bring up all the extra BS charter boat laws here in
Cracks me up well actually. Makes me sick to see how much 95 percent of bass fishermen don't give a damn about the actual fish only the weight and the check they themselves have ruined bass fishing and tournament fishing for everyone hope you all made all your money.thay was your only motivation to fish you all disgust me beyond words .learn how to fish or stay home and play video games but the sport of bass fishing is more than making a check .
I’m glad you pointed out the barotrauma problem. Was out yesterday and we saw 3 quality bass that were belly up and bulging eyes and one even had the swim bladder puffed up. Coincidentally there was a small league tournament the night before, all 3 fish were within sight of the main launch ramp. I’m not sure what killed the fish but it may be connected
WI is NOT banning livescope. You're confusing a small poll done for the Conservation Congress with actual legislative or DNR action. You've been corrected on this in another video. Time to stop saying this and get your facts straight.
I appreciate and respect your feelings on livescope. I would be very interested to find out how many fishermen have it on there boat. A weekend survey at major boat ramps would probably give us a clear percentage. That might be a good place to start in order to gauge the affect on our fisheries.
I have never supported the use of using live scope until i seen what i believe is the only acceptable use for it and thats targeting Big Head Carp. Between livescope and the carp they will ruin everything.
It is all about the MONEY! It is not just electronics, fishing pressure with monthly and weekly tournaments is a big issue. There has been a significant increase in the numbers of fishing clubs and tournament fishermen. In those 50 years there were a lot more changes than just the electronics. I'm sure fishermen have said the same thing about 2D, Side Imaging, 360... technology changes. The price of this hobby is getting out of control and pushing the average Joe out of the weekend worriers that used to fish tournaments for fun. Price of fuel, maintenance, insurance, tow vehicles, boats, tackle... Some people have to eat, so as long as the fish are not going to waste, I feel that is ok. If the market collapses there will be adjustments, hopefully for the better. The competition out there is amazing but as long as we keep purchasing these items they will keep increasing the prices and technology will continue to grow.
@@Trump2024musthappen you may be right... I have watched fishing and hunting go down the toilet in my area because everyone wants to put more and more pressure on wildlife with high tech crap instead of learn to hunt and fish. State agencies often prioritizes selling licenses over maintaining quality fishing and hunting experiences. But then have to keep trying - the history of America is working against the cynical money grabbers to protect fish, wildlife, hunters and fishermen. Remember, fishing and hunting was almost dead in the face of market hunting and fishing in 1890 - 1920. Far thinking visionary's advocated and brought us back from the brink.... Randy is just standing on the shoulders of a long history of advocating for protecting the resources.
@@stevesteve4350 EXACTLY. MY POINT. when the people are running 8 dipsy divers snagging everything in the way small fish included. whereas with livescope you actually choose the fish you are after.
I will never understand how anybody considers it a sport or even sporting to be able to see the fish you were going to kill as if you were playing a video game. Pathetic.
Now bc of livescope we have lower limits instead of limiting technology. Seriously this is completely backwards but at least someone is finally admitting its a problem
@@PaintballShyguy i dont disagree at all. I wouldn't mind lower limits in general but lower limits wont fix the tech problem. I find it funny this is there answer to a bigger problem.
At or around 1970 the state of Louisiana voted to outlaw the plastic worm because they were worried it would catch to many bass. One of the stupid things the states will do when they don't know. Look at the Alabama rig, did it ruin bass fishing?
I was fortunate enough to fish on Enid Lake 25 years ago when the crappie were huge! What a lake it was back then. Thank you Randy for keeping your focus on this. In a few years, people will be saying, if we had only listened to Randy we would still have fish to catch.
I think all the pressure from everyone getting into fishing during covid has made it worse than FFS. I look at fish all the time on FFS and they don't always bite...
Washington and Grenada was hurt well before livescope. The problem was all these lakes were put on tv and utube throughout the country. Fishermen came down from up north and camped for months spider rigging and catching limits every day. Some were caught selling fish. The problem was TV coverage on lakes. “Grenada-The home of the three pond crappie”………….on the Tenn Tom waterway in Mississippi and Alabama fishing is really bad and not because of Livescope. Try live scoping in two-three feet of water….Tournaments are the devil. Ban tournaments period…..that being said Livescope is fun to use and believe it or not …. you don’t have to keep all the fish you catch.
Greed has ruled the day in fishing! We have noticed in the last 5 years crappie catches by those of us NOT using livescope catches are lower and lower. Even in the bayous of Louisiana!
I remember the 90’s . Rules were more struck and they enforced them . Things today are all about money . They relax the rules and zero enforcement. Everyone is lazy and they only care about themselves. Our future is screwed
I agree. I also agree with what you said about catching fish out of deep water. You catch fish out of 30’ of water, you might as well keep and eat it cause it will most likely die after you release it
I mostly agree with what you are saying, mostly. With data-driven decision making you gain greater control over the direction of the quality of your decisions. Using objective data, concrete evidence and results can be effectively measured in order to assess impact. Using data takes the emotion out of the equation. Carry on and keep up the good fight.
Please explain your position. How does livescope destroy bass fishing? Are you saying it is killing all the fish because people like catching a boat load of bass and keeping them? Or are you saying it's making it too easy to catch bass? If you're keeping bass to eat, you still have to stay within the bag limits . If you go out to catch fish to eat, you are going to stay until you get your bag limit anyway. If you're using a livescope, you just may get lucky enough to get that bag limit sooner. Either way, you're taking a bag limit. That's why limits are in place to begin with. If your recreation fishing and immediately returning the fish to the water, it doesn't matter if you used livescope or not. I believe that the bigger danger to fish populations as far as tournaments are concerned is bringing fish into weigh-in and then releasing them. I like the catch weigh and release system better. No need to bring them into the weight station and stress the fish out more.
@frankstone3994 is a Q- beam a legal hunting method? Of course it's not, so zero is the answer. Spotlighting deer is in no way comparable to using FFS for bad fishing.
Randy, I work for a fisheries management agency. I don't care if YOU don't need a study to tell you this. WE need studies to successfully defend our management decisions when they are challenged in court. And believe me, any attempt to ban FFS will be challenged in court. We have clear and established legal authority to lower bag limits if we can show that catch rates have increased. We have much less legal precedent, and questionable authority, to ban specific brands of equipment that aren't DIRECTLY used to catch the fish. That's the kind of decision that needs to be taken up by state lawmakers.
Yeah that’s an interesting thought maybe a good compromise is to lower bag limits in tournaments to 2 or 3 fish instead of 5 or even 6 sometimes here in PA to relieve pressure and tournament kill I could get behind that
Good point. Many complain when outside group use social pressure without scientific data to influence policy. This is the same, just being raised from within.
I wrote my local National Forest Service in Tell City Indiana making them aware of the danger of FFS and livescope on our small national prestine lakes in southern Indiana...it's been over 6 weeks...zero response! Pitiful!...there are a couple kayaks(I kid you not) with giant monitors on them...laughable if it wasn't so sad :(
I could have bought a livescope this year, but im too torn on the issue. I'd catch more fish, but I'd do it by ignoring my conscience. Its a tough issue man. I only catch and release bass. I'll keep one walleye even if I'm on them all day. Sustainable harvest seems to have gone out the window
One of the most prolific fish and they figured out a way to kill it. They should have just reduced the number of depth finders from 15 to 10 per boat. Butt wow, someone did do something ish.
most fisheries department always wait until things are already hurting, instead of staying in front of it. i personally think ffs is here to stay , only time will tell!
I agree. I wasn't understanding what the big deal was until his analogy of a drone with IR camera finding deer for a hunter. This totally put it into perspective for me. There are many factors to the fishing issues. FFS is only one of them. Covid anglers and the internet for finding people's hot spots are other factors. Keep fighting Randy.
Arkansas G@F have a different opinion of the effects of Livescope. The head biologist is super nice and open. He called me back and we had a 20min discussion. His interpretation of the data was a little frustrating to me. However, I am happy they are at least doing studies on it
Living in MS and fishing those lakes, a crappie has to be over 12 inches to be legal. But the game and fish commission doesn’t do any thing about the people coming down from up North and rapping the lakes a f taking them back up North to sell them. They don’t do anything about them because it brings in too much money. I’ve been checked many times on the lake and was told it’s too many of the people from up North to check. I call BS it all about the money they bring to the areas.
It is indeed a danger to the state's fisheries. Never forget where FFS and LS came from - commercial fishing. And the damage this commercial technology is doing to our fisheries cannot be overcome even with reduced limits, in a couple or three years. If you're over the age of 60, you will not likely live long enough to see the fisheries recover.
I’m curious what commercial fishing this came from??? I live in coastal Maine and it did not come from this area… it doesn’t even work worth a dang in most saltwater applications… hundreds of reviews about livescope support this fact…
I def agree panfish are being affected bad. In Mn they lowered the limit to 10 for he whole state and some lakes 5 a few yrs back because of ice fishing. Every state should be severley limiting panfish limits.
Snagging with livescope is obviously cheating!!!!!! You can’t be proud of a state record caught using livescope. Come on fish and wildlife management get a clue!!!
Too bad, I’m not giving mine up! I’ve got it, I love it. Throw yours in the creek if you want to. You need to find something new to complain about. I’m sick of hearing from people who just want THEIR way. What about my way…doesn’t matter huh!
I guess my real problem is, I get to fish 4 or 5 times a year and my little bit of fun is destroyed by people that are out almost every day. That just doesn’t seem quite fair as I doubt that I hurt the fish population near as much as a bunch of people that are the every’dayers’. Try this, limit the number of times one can go fishing in a year and see how that feels!
Long as companies throw money at "wildlife conservation," they'll be able to keep on doing what they're doing. And this includes other people and companies not limited to the electronics companies. Show me a company that refuses to sell or promote FFS to help conserve the fisheries. And now yet, they'll throw money at failed conservation...
Ops! Bad analogy about solo mountain climbing. If an idiot wants to kill himself mountain climbing, great it gets him out of the gene pool, but live scoping ruins the sport for everyone forever! Keep up the good work Randy!
I would posit that it is easier to change fisherman’s attitudes towards eating the fish then it will be to get rid of this nascent technology that is going to improve by leaps and bounds no matter what. Decreasing the limits increasing the use of slots. All of these things need to be applied.
1 and 2 two and 1 to many tournaments big boat/kayak, spotlighting technology, i would add a close 3rd social media. I see where local clubs holding tournaments in other states also so not only have they ruined their fisheries they coming to your state to ruin yours as well like nska out of arkansas. Wish authorities would shut some these things down. Bass fishing is kinda the wild wild west right now
If the state bans it that will end any MLF or BASS events there ... of course it's a completely unenforceable law so recreational anglers will just keep on using it ...
Stockton lake has the same problem to fishing has been on decline ,because live scope. Can not over fish the cream of species was taken out ,small fish do not get large over night .Need large females an males to keep it up to trophy size.
Man I’m with you 100 per cent on this livescope crap it needs to be done away with now and I’ll even go as far to say the guys using this stuff are not professional fisherman if you have to use a tool that pretty much put the bait in the fish’s mouth then your not a professional
It’s not fair to the fish and it’s not fair to the guys that don’t want to use it but no they can’t compete in the sport and win enough to keep there sponsors and stay in the sport that is what it’s going to come to so please guys get rid of the damn stuff before it’s to late
Let’s blame the 4 consecutive years of extremely low water during peak spawning time on Livescope as well Randy lol. No one talks about the massive amounts of crappie that get sucked through the spillway during the winter, then add on a low spring where many of the eggs have little chance of a safe hatch, you see where this is going? Also, their “surveys” consisted of asking a few out of staters how many they caught that day. If the numbers of fish weren’t there, how are the guides catching limits? How are guides taking multiple trips out per day without the game warden knowing? There’s few ramps accessible during low water, don’t you think the GW would catch them? Things don’t add up. The shock boat I witnessed survey fish was shocking in 4 fow during August…when we were banging limits of slabs in 20 fow…obviously your survey numbers were low, they weren’t living up there. I’ll be glad to talk facts, not feelings over the situation. Anyone that wants to come jump on my boat at Grenada and show me how easy Livescope is, I’m easy to get ahold of.
You're wrong! I've had live scope for three years. First year I used it quiet a bit just because it was something new, but now, I might go out and catch my white perch limit 10 times a year. I bet there are a lot of people that do the same thing. That's definitely not hurting the population.
All fishing is affected by technology . The quality of red ear fishing for example has declined by the use of side view . The reason it has not been as dramatic is because less people fish for them . As outdoorsmen we have a choice to help/hurt nature .It seems greed drives a person making minimum wage to buy a piece of equipment for no other reason than to pack the freezer . No unit last forever so the next piece of equipment hurts more than the last . Since the age of the bottom flasher this has been true . lake mapping has had the largest effect on fishing in my opinion before FFS .Guides make even the ones that dont master the use of FFS a threat to our fisheries . Ban all electronics on all federal waters and let each state decide for their state waters .
Hey, Randy, do you think the way doug Hannon's way of using technology is sustainable? I mean, he would use sonar to find areas he would fish, mark it with a buoy, turn off electrics, and then just fish? Granted, he thought sonar scared fish, but we know this isn't true because of forward facing sonar and it's "achievements". Now there's a big technology jump between Doug's time and ours, but I think they way he fished could be a standard for professional bass fishing. Some said half tournaments should be no fish and the other half everything is good. What about sonar goes off once you start to make your first cast. Use it to find all the big fish you want but when you fish you only get where you saw them. I would like to hear your opinion on that. But to me if recreational ffs users are devastating fisheries, I know it's a combination of lack of conservation mindedness and handling of fish. Would you want ffs users to register like concealed carry permit where you go to class for or would you want them to pay a conservation fee since they have a greater impact to the fishery? Cuz I don't think at this point you can just ban ffs from recreational fishers.
Randy I watch a lot of your videos and I understand what you're saying about livescope but you can't just do away with one type of sonar. 360, Side Imaging, and down Imaging have gotten so good that if you're going to do away with just forwarding sooner it's not going to help that much. Just do away with sonar. Or not at all. Personally I only fish a handful of times a year and don't keep the fish anymore. Either do away with all the sonar or extremely limit the catch. I have to disagree with you on just forward facing sonars. I remember the days before sonar and I think caught I more fish then. Love your show God bless and keep on trucking. Robert
@@tonygreen4356fish finder key words has been around a long time . My buddy sees fish on a tiny 5 in screen on his kayak catches fish with it go figure . If he didn't see the marks he would never get the fish
it will end up impacting all fisheries and more than just crappie and bass. big bull bluegill for jnstance are being taken in alarming numbers on ky lake now using perspective mode on beds. it takes 7-10 years to replace those fish IF it doesnt stunt existing populations by smaller fish maturing earlier(it takes 7 years for a bluegill to become sexually mature in a normal colony).
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Table Rock Lake is no different than Stockton. The quality of the bass fishing has shockingly declined. Everyone who fishes Table Rock is complaining. I hope the State wakes up soon and attacks this problem on multiple fronts: limits on the number of tournaments, prohibition of catch and keep tournaments, reduced creel limits on all species, and the prohibition of keeping bass during the months of April and May.
I totally agree with that
I quit fishing the Rock 2 years ago. Go on a 7 day trip with my dad and catch 10 or 15 keepers the whole week…. Not spending my hard earned money on trash fishing.
I Fish tablerock every weekend. Way too many Tournaments , but I have no problems finding nice limits of all species of fish. Stupid ignorant Boat Operators are my biggest issues. Never have fished Tournaments. Never will.
Amen Brother!
Ultimately, I have little faith that the Missouri fish and game officials will act. We all have to keep in mind that state wildlife departments are ultimately controlled by politicians. I doubt our fishery biologists will ever be allowed to take meaningful, effective steps to protect the quality of sport fishing in our state (until it is too late). The commercial interests are too powerful and entrenched to allow any changes that are deemed damaging to tourism (e.g., reducing the number of tournaments) or to the electronics manufacturers and retailers (e.g., controlling/restricting the use of ffs and other advanced electronics). Accordingly, we need to be very suspicious of any purported "studies" conducted by state fish and game departments. The outcome of these studies , if not outright predetermined, will at a minimum be heavily influenced by the politicians and the lobbyists.
Randy, keep fighting the good fight. I appreciate you.
After Major League Fishing visited the Chowan River everybody and their brother is now scoping the river. Sad!
As a local her in Grenada, livescope is a factor, having so many guides coming from out of state and taking 2 groups a clients a day is an issue too. I am glad that Mississippi did this, hopefully the out of state pressure will ease up so the fishing can get back to when we could keep 30 a day just 15 years ago.
Maybe 50 years ago 30 was ok. 2024 30 is way too many.
@@tbauer2521 15-18 years ago it was 30, get rid of the out of state pressure, and it could at least go back to 20.
Glad to live in Mississippi. My home lake, BaySprings is suffering also. Proposition, livescope in the boat= catch and release only
I applaud the news, it's gotten out of control when you consider the increasing pressure that all fisheries are under as the human population grows. They need to make it more challenging to catch fish which simply means take a step or two back on what technology is allowed . I have always said that they should scale back on the electronics and force fisherman to rely more on skill and knowledge not just in tournaments but for anyone.
Ban 2/3 of bass tournaments nation wide. Way too many tournaments!
We should have a new government agency to regulate how many bass tournaments we can have across the country. For that matter, we should also limit the amount of days that we can fish each year.
Randy you are 100 percent spot on, I love your passion I’m the exact same way as you old school. It’s sad that these meat hunters can see it , its pathetic that people have to be so ignorant and greedy.
The state of Mississippi and all other states should ban the use of live scope altogether. Along with that ban all tournament fishing. Mississippi is only putting a little bandage on a big problem. You would think game and fish would be smarter today but they aren't.
They put the stricter regulations on everyone due to the effect on the fishery from those using FFS. How is that fair to the traditional fishermen who use skill and knowledge?
Keep preaching Randy! And I mean that in a good way.
I completely agree with Randy's assessment of the problem and the steps needed to put some limits on this unnecessary technology which is undermining the quality of our fisheries and the wholesome nature of our sport. The resource needs to be protected from a myriad of factors which are working to weaken the very essence of what makes our sport so special. Pretending that this kind of intrusive technology does not or cannot degrade our fisheries is not unlike turning a blind eye to any other type of problem. I also wholly agree with the earlier comment regarding Tablerock Lake; I have fished and enjoyed it since 1974, and I know parts of it very well, and I can say without any hesitation, its not the lake that it once was, and a lot of that impression is based upon what it was 20 years ago versus what it is today. I cannot help but believe that the incessant tournament pressure it receives in conjunction with the advances made in marine technology have not played a role in its obvious decline. This is a matter of responsible management of our natural resources first and foremost so that what we have immensely enjoyed is there for our children and future generations to likewise enjoy. To do otherwise, is simply selfish and irresponsible. Consider how much our natural resources would benefit, if we anglers would donate the same level of money that is currently being spent on the technologies being used to enhance catch rates instead to the organizations and initiatives which are dedicated to conserving and improving our lakes, rivers and surrounding habitats.
Mississippi should have just lowered the limit on boats with live scope and left the poor folks with Jon boats alone
Amen why are they penalizing folks who can’t or chose not to use ffsonar
Amen
I've seen guys with livescope on 14' jon boats.
It is a fact forward facing sonar is a problem. This is only the beginning. Hopefully New York State will do something soon. I have already seen major issues on the St. Lawrence river.
I read a MDC for Truman lake MO indicated a crappie population decrease by 40%.
MN has a bill coming up for vote...0 possession limit if live scoping.
@@CAN43725 Was told by the owner of Sportsman's Bait and Tackle in International Falls.
So they're saying that the limits that they originally set were unsustainable if people actually filled them? Doesn't sound like a livescope problem, sounds like fisheries didn't set limits well in the fiirst place.
My kids and my grandkids wanted to buy me a FFS system but I told them hell no. I won’t ever have one
Good for you….once you strap FFS to your boat, fish just start jumping in out of no where and force you to take each one of them home to filet them. On a serious note, there is nothing wrong with utilizing ever evolving technology. I am sure we all look for the newest technology in rod making or reel making or lure technology…electronics are no different. Just because you have FFS, does NOT mean you’re going to catch every fish you see. Probably not even 20 percent.
Good for you Mike! I wouldn't want my grandkids to buy me a Q-beam for deer hunting for the same reason.
Try this - substitute "Livescope" with "Tournaments" in this monologue.
Agreed! Depending on the body of water pollution from sewage is a big deal also. Especially systems that overflow during heavy rains dumping raw sewage! I believe numbers of tournaments, numbers of fisherman and pollution are a bigger problem! BTW PA has always had a closed season during the spawn. I personally would love to see all the fish caught in weigh in tournaments be tagged. Then, after the tournaments dead fish attributable to tournaments that constitute some percentage or over, should result in the banning of tournaments by those organizations, until such time it can be proven that these fish can be handled, weighed and released and within reasonable limits live.
Every bassmaster classic should be just like the very first one. If you really wanna separate the men from the boys.
I agree, it's out of control. The High school nationals are even using FFS. It's a joke. Great video Randy keep them coming.
I honestly think that at the HS level they shouldn’t be allowed to us it. That’s when they should be learning the skills to compete, catch fish and deal with operations of a boat. And I know they have a boat captain (Dad) who drives the boat, but some limits need o be done as well. HS tournaments don’t require at 250 XP.
@jameslovelace8958 No lake/inland fishing requires 250hp
@@jameslovelace8958Rant coming… lol feel free to ignore, but this is my primary concern with it as far as the sport goes. I worked my ass off to create a high school trail. These kids don’t know how lucky they are to have the opportunities they have now… They get introduced to sponsors and scholarships are rewarded in these programs. Now dad is scoping them out and telling them where to cast. I was all in on ffs until I saw that really. I’m primarily an offshore guy so I have always used electronics a lot and ffs taught me new things and plenty of things I was completely wrong about… I appreciate all of that, but it’s too much in HS events… and I know that daddy’s money has always bought some advantages but before this a kid with real talent and mediocre gear could still compete and win too. I know because I captained a couple of boys to a win, a 2nd, a 5th and second in AOY points out of a mid 90’s 17’ Sprint with only 7 inch 2D graphs. They would probably have won the 2nd too but I cleaned out the boat and forgot to put the net back in it. 🤤🤤😂 lost a couple of 4lb smallmouth at the boat that day. 🥴 I haven’t captained the past couple years except one event I filled in for someone else… but I saw firsthand what was happening. When I first got mine I took my 9yo just to teach him to throw his new baitcaster… I didn’t even cast. I just played with the graph and pointed and picked backlashes. Lol little bit beat some flat out local sticks and barely could cast. I stayed way offshore so he could just sling it and not worry about being accurate or hanging up much. I figured I would chase some school of white bass or maybe smaller spots. He caught over 17lbs of spotted bass in a 3 hour derby. And heck, I was just starting to figure out ffs myself… I was still playing with the setup and didn’t even have it dialed in good yet… but nobody else had it so… anyway. It bothers me that kids are getting scholarships and endorsements that could launch a dream career just because daddy is good at scoping. Rant over… thanks for listening.
Had 2 high school boats pull in front of me this spring both within 100 yards of me at same time. Both scoping, yes I have it to, both were zeroing using it mine was off we caught 8 keepers behind them flipping told them how we caught them right back to scopin they went. Even with technology 90% of that generation will be lost because of lack of knowledge and skill. Ban it or keep it I'm catching mine with or without
When there is no fish left game and parks will wonder why they aren’t selling any fishing licenses DUH
I read alot of the comment's. Seems to me almost everyone here miss the 1 biggest point about fishing. It's the right for the people to harvest fish. So who decided it's a sport? It's a enjoyable job to gather healthy protein for the family. If the state governments would write laws with only that in mind. They would STOP derbys/ tournaments/guide service. In other words, Get the money out of fishing. Protect the fish for the general public that are willing to go out and gather the states natural rescorce for human consumption. Keep it at that. Protect the breeders by size is fine, but by making musky size limit like in greenbay wis. 54" is nothing more than pandering to the trophy hunting egotistical self serving mob that pay lobbyists to do their bidding. The average fisherman BE DAMMED.
@@DennisMorgan-ls8sc or the guides making a living from the publics food source. Take that one step further, all those catch and release people. Please look at it this way for a moment, YOU are wounding/killing/playing around with the "peoples" protein food supply. Just for your personal enjoyment. Kinda like what cats do to mice. And I won't bring up all the extra BS charter boat laws here in
Cracks me up well actually. Makes me sick to see how much 95 percent of bass fishermen don't give a damn about the actual fish only the weight and the check they themselves have ruined bass fishing and tournament fishing for everyone hope you all made all your money.thay was your only motivation to fish you all disgust me beyond words .learn how to fish or stay home and play video games but the sport of bass fishing is more than making a check .
It was ruined with catch and release marketing was introduced. Fishing is for eating, not playing with hooked animals for fun and money
@@Tea4Texas absolutely.
I really hate people bragging about catching a limit of crappie while using FFS. Just disgusting
I’m glad you pointed out the barotrauma problem. Was out yesterday and we saw 3 quality bass that were belly up and bulging eyes and one even had the swim bladder puffed up. Coincidentally there was a small league tournament the night before, all 3 fish were within sight of the main launch ramp. I’m not sure what killed the fish but it may be connected
I told everyone Wisconsin passing ban on livescope and all states will follow and they are.
What are you talking about? Wisconsin isn’t banning anything.
WI is NOT banning livescope. You're confusing a small poll done for the Conservation Congress with actual legislative or DNR action. You've been corrected on this in another video. Time to stop saying this and get your facts straight.
Wisconsin did not ban anything and they're not going to
False news
I appreciate and respect your feelings on livescope. I would be very interested to find out how many fishermen have it on there boat. A weekend survey at major boat ramps would probably give us a clear percentage. That might be a good place to start in order to gauge the affect on our fisheries.
I have never supported the use of using live scope until i seen what i believe is the only acceptable use for it and thats targeting Big Head Carp. Between livescope and the carp they will ruin everything.
Use livescope for body recovery and law enforcement
It is all about the MONEY! It is not just electronics, fishing pressure with monthly and weekly tournaments is a big issue. There has been a significant increase in the numbers of fishing clubs and tournament fishermen. In those 50 years there were a lot more changes than just the electronics. I'm sure fishermen have said the same thing about 2D, Side Imaging, 360... technology changes.
The price of this hobby is getting out of control and pushing the average Joe out of the weekend worriers that used to fish tournaments for fun. Price of fuel, maintenance, insurance, tow vehicles, boats, tackle...
Some people have to eat, so as long as the fish are not going to waste, I feel that is ok.
If the market collapses there will be adjustments, hopefully for the better. The competition out there is amazing but as long as we keep purchasing these items they will keep increasing the prices and technology will continue to grow.
Should Be All 50 States
yup!
Never going to happen
@@Trump2024musthappen you may be right... I have watched fishing and hunting go down the toilet in my area because everyone wants to put more and more pressure on wildlife with high tech crap instead of learn to hunt and fish. State agencies often prioritizes selling licenses over maintaining quality fishing and hunting experiences. But then have to keep trying - the history of America is working against the cynical money grabbers to protect fish, wildlife, hunters and fishermen. Remember, fishing and hunting was almost dead in the face of market hunting and fishing in 1890 - 1920. Far thinking visionary's advocated and brought us back from the brink.... Randy is just standing on the shoulders of a long history of advocating for protecting the resources.
I live in Mississippi and our lakes are bad enough without live scope. It's horrible down here.
I'm with you brother!
Snagging fish with livescope and calling it a record is f ed up. I realized people snag paddle fish but still.
To support your comment I’ll say the difference is a paddle fish is a filter feeder so your hands are kinda tied when it comes to catching them.
But dragging 8 dipsy divers is somehow different?
@@vaskasooo9469 Nobody said anything about a dipsy driver.
@@stevesteve4350 EXACTLY. MY POINT. when the people are running 8 dipsy divers snagging everything in the way small fish included. whereas with livescope you actually choose the fish you are after.
@@vaskasooo9469 That was a stupid point and I don't care about your stupid dipsy drivers.
Live Scope will be the ruination of our fisheries !
Just like the A-rig was…..
Maybe it's a coincidence but Sardis, Arbuckle and Enid are also all lakes in Oklahoma?
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I will never understand how anybody considers it a sport or even sporting to be able to see the fish you were going to kill as if you were playing a video game. Pathetic.
Now bc of livescope we have lower limits instead of limiting technology. Seriously this is completely backwards but at least someone is finally admitting its a problem
The limits need to be lowered (at least temporarily) despite ffs. Fishing's popularity has absolutely exploded.
@@PaintballShyguy i dont disagree at all. I wouldn't mind lower limits in general but lower limits wont fix the tech problem. I find it funny this is there answer to a bigger problem.
Couldn’t be because money talks could it
Greed and money is absolutely destroying everything nowadays. It is disgusting 😒
We will have to wait until it devastates a few lakes. Then they might do something.
At or around 1970 the state of Louisiana voted to outlaw the plastic worm because they were worried it would catch to many bass. One of the stupid things the states will do when they don't know. Look at the Alabama rig, did it ruin bass fishing?
That is a ridiculous comparison.
Thanks Randy for being a leader for us to eliminate live scope.
I was fortunate enough to fish on Enid Lake 25 years ago when the crappie were huge! What a lake it was back then. Thank you Randy for keeping your focus on this. In a few years, people will be saying, if we had only listened to Randy we would still have fish to catch.
I think all the pressure from everyone getting into fishing during covid has made it worse than FFS. I look at fish all the time on FFS and they don't always bite...
Washington and Grenada was hurt well before livescope. The problem was all these lakes were put on tv and utube throughout the country. Fishermen came down from up north and camped for months spider rigging and catching limits every day. Some were caught selling fish. The problem was TV coverage on lakes. “Grenada-The home of the three pond crappie”………….on the Tenn Tom waterway in Mississippi and Alabama fishing is really bad and not because of Livescope. Try live scoping in two-three feet of water….Tournaments are the devil. Ban tournaments period…..that being said Livescope is fun to use and believe it or not …. you don’t have to keep all the fish you catch.
They need to do a study like this in Louisiana.
They should outlaw cell phones too.
At this point Livescope is basically a digital version of using a net; destroying the balance of the ecology. Keep up the good work Randy.
Greed has ruled the day in fishing! We have noticed in the last 5 years crappie catches by those of us NOT using livescope catches are lower and lower. Even in the bayous of Louisiana!
Getting very hard to catch them like we used to just 5-10 years ago
Your 100% right keep up the good fight!
I remember the 90’s . Rules were more struck and they enforced them . Things today are all about money . They relax the rules and zero enforcement. Everyone is lazy and they only care about themselves. Our future is screwed
I agree. I also agree with what you said about catching fish out of deep water. You catch fish out of 30’ of water, you might as well keep and eat it cause it will most likely die after you release it
I mostly agree with what you are saying, mostly. With data-driven decision making you gain greater control over the direction of the quality of your decisions. Using objective data, concrete evidence and results can be effectively measured in order to assess impact. Using data takes the emotion out of the equation. Carry on and keep up the good fight.
Well said Randy! I despise ffs because it’s destroying bass fishing.
destroying walleye fishing as well
Please explain your position. How does livescope destroy bass fishing? Are you saying it is killing all the fish because people like catching a boat load of bass and keeping them? Or are you saying it's making it too easy to catch bass? If you're keeping bass to eat, you still have to stay within the bag limits . If you go out to catch fish to eat, you are going to stay until you get your bag limit anyway. If you're using a livescope, you just may get lucky enough to get that bag limit sooner. Either way, you're taking a bag limit. That's why limits are in place to begin with. If your recreation fishing and immediately returning the fish to the water, it doesn't matter if you used livescope or not. I believe that the bigger danger to fish populations as far as tournaments are concerned is bringing fish into weigh-in and then releasing them. I like the catch weigh and release system better. No need to bring them into the weight station and stress the fish out more.
@@mikem6571 What's the bag limit on deer harvested with a Q-beam?
@frankstone3994 is a Q- beam a legal hunting method? Of course it's not, so zero is the answer. Spotlighting deer is in no way comparable to using FFS for bad fishing.
Randy, I work for a fisheries management agency. I don't care if YOU don't need a study to tell you this. WE need studies to successfully defend our management decisions when they are challenged in court. And believe me, any attempt to ban FFS will be challenged in court. We have clear and established legal authority to lower bag limits if we can show that catch rates have increased. We have much less legal precedent, and questionable authority, to ban specific brands of equipment that aren't DIRECTLY used to catch the fish. That's the kind of decision that needs to be taken up by state lawmakers.
Thank you for the excellent explanation of the situation. Thank you for the work that you do.
Yeah that’s an interesting thought maybe a good compromise is to lower bag limits in tournaments to 2 or 3 fish instead of 5 or even 6 sometimes here in PA to relieve pressure and tournament kill I could get behind that
I see FFS as directly used to catch fish. Just my opinion. If it weren’t so, turn the damn thing off while fishing a school of crappie. Nothing
@@timburton9514he means the equipment used to hook and land the fish. If your perspective was correct, you would have to include the boat as well.
Good point. Many complain when outside group use social pressure without scientific data to influence policy. This is the same, just being raised from within.
Ransy i live in ohio, you know who takes all the fish by the coolers? The AMISH, the amish but we still catch hass. Theres a few guys that have it.
Ban ALL electronics in fishing and hunting!
Why would you need electronics in hunting ? You can see the prey in hunting
Walkie talkies, trail cams, electronic calls.
@@BradinManheim still easier than fishing with live scope or 360
I wrote my local National Forest Service in Tell City Indiana making them aware of the danger of FFS and livescope on our small national prestine lakes in southern Indiana...it's been over 6 weeks...zero response! Pitiful!...there are a couple kayaks(I kid you not) with giant monitors on them...laughable if it wasn't so sad :(
I have a 9 in screen on my kayak . I need to upgrade to a 16
I hear ya Fbj...it's not how I like to hunt the big bass but like yourself a lot of folks love it
Whoops..sorry Fjb. Got two letters mixed up,
Bingo! I like the regulation of use of FFS, ZERO CREEL!! That'll put a stop to it.
I could have bought a livescope this year, but im too torn on the issue. I'd catch more fish, but I'd do it by ignoring my conscience. Its a tough issue man. I only catch and release bass. I'll keep one walleye even if I'm on them all day. Sustainable harvest seems to have gone out the window
One of the most prolific fish and they figured out a way to kill it. They should have just reduced the number of depth finders from 15 to 10 per boat. Butt wow, someone did do something ish.
most fisheries department always wait until things are already hurting, instead of staying in front of it. i personally think ffs is here to stay , only time will tell!
You used to get on my nerves about your FFS rants but now I agree with you. You care about the sport and sustainability.
I agree. I wasn't understanding what the big deal was until his analogy of a drone with IR camera finding deer for a hunter.
This totally put it into perspective for me.
There are many factors to the fishing issues. FFS is only one of them. Covid anglers and the internet for finding people's hot spots are other factors.
Keep fighting Randy.
My relative called it, said they would reduce the daily bag limits. Here we are.
Arkansas G@F have a different opinion of the effects of Livescope. The head biologist is super nice and open. He called me back and we had a 20min discussion. His interpretation of the data was a little frustrating to me. However, I am happy they are at least doing studies on it
You are absolutely right!
Living in MS and fishing those lakes, a crappie has to be over 12 inches to be legal. But the game and fish commission doesn’t do any thing about the people coming down from up North and rapping the lakes a f taking them back up North to sell them. They don’t do anything about them because it brings in too much money. I’ve been checked many times on the lake and was told it’s too many of the people from up North to check. I call BS it all about the money they bring to the areas.
It is indeed a danger to the state's fisheries. Never forget where FFS and LS came from - commercial fishing. And the damage this commercial technology is doing to our fisheries cannot be overcome even with reduced limits, in a couple or three years. If you're over the age of 60, you will not likely live long enough to see the fisheries recover.
I’m curious what commercial fishing this came from??? I live in coastal Maine and it did not come from this area… it doesn’t even work worth a dang in most saltwater applications… hundreds of reviews about livescope support this fact…
It’s a fact !!! I fish crappie now ,the size and quantity has gone down for sure it’s not BS
Proud of you and your fight. Fisheries are being destroyed by these machines.
Your spot on Randy. Its only going to get worse if nothings done. Ban live scope and ffs and get these cheat code gamers off our water!
I def agree panfish are being affected bad. In Mn they lowered the limit to 10 for he whole state and some lakes 5 a few yrs back because of ice fishing. Every state should be severley limiting panfish limits.
Snagging with livescope is obviously cheating!!!!!! You can’t be proud of a state record caught using livescope. Come on fish and wildlife management get a clue!!!
What about dragging 8 dipsy divers? It's not the same thing?
@@vaskasooo9469 not the same thing your not physically looking at the fish you are hoping to snag with your 8 lures. Not even close!
I Agree 100%. Randy
Love ya Randy. The free climber analogy was not too good however. Thanks for what you do.
So punish the ones not using FFS
The government
Too bad, I’m not giving mine up! I’ve got it, I love it. Throw yours in the creek if you want to. You need to find something new to complain about. I’m sick of hearing from people who just want THEIR way. What about my way…doesn’t matter huh!
It’s that attitude that is in the process of destroying our fisheries
Disagree. My rights are as important as yours.
I guess my real problem is, I get to fish 4 or 5 times a year and my little bit of fun is destroyed by people that are out almost every day. That just doesn’t seem quite fair as I doubt that I hurt the fish population near as much as a bunch of people that are the every’dayers’. Try this, limit the number of times one can go fishing in a year and see how that feels!
I agree. So, for comparison, it should be OK to hunt with a drone? No.
Long as companies throw money at "wildlife conservation," they'll be able to keep on doing what they're doing. And this includes other people and companies not limited to the electronics companies.
Show me a company that refuses to sell or promote FFS to help conserve the fisheries. And now yet, they'll throw money at failed conservation...
Reducing limits is a good way to please both parties involved. Now if WI can do something about spearing 🙃
Ops! Bad analogy about solo mountain climbing. If an idiot wants to kill himself mountain climbing, great it gets him out of the gene pool, but live scoping ruins the sport for everyone forever! Keep up the good work Randy!
It's not the end of the world if people catch fish easier. People need to get with the times.
I would posit that it is easier to change fisherman’s attitudes towards eating the fish then it will be to get rid of this nascent technology that is going to improve by leaps and bounds no matter what. Decreasing the limits increasing the use of slots. All of these things need to be applied.
1 and 2 two and 1 to many tournaments big boat/kayak, spotlighting technology, i would add a close 3rd social media. I see where local clubs holding tournaments in other states also so not only have they ruined their fisheries they coming to your state to ruin yours as well like nska out of arkansas. Wish authorities would shut some these things down. Bass fishing is kinda the wild wild west right now
If the state bans it that will end any MLF or BASS events there ... of course it's a completely unenforceable law so recreational anglers will just keep on using it ...
Stockton lake has the same problem to fishing has been on decline ,because live scope. Can not over fish the cream of species was taken out ,small fish do not get large over night .Need large females an males to keep it up to trophy size.
Man I’m with you 100 per cent on this livescope crap it needs to be done away with now and I’ll even go as far to say the guys using this stuff are not professional fisherman if you have to use a tool that pretty much put the bait in the fish’s mouth then your not a professional
It’s not fair to the fish and it’s not fair to the guys that don’t want to use it but no they can’t compete in the sport and win enough to keep there sponsors and stay in the sport that is what it’s going to come to so please guys get rid of the damn stuff before it’s to late
I’ve already quit watching any fishing events because of the damn stuff
Let’s blame the 4 consecutive years of extremely low water during peak spawning time on Livescope as well Randy lol. No one talks about the massive amounts of crappie that get sucked through the spillway during the winter, then add on a low spring where many of the eggs have little chance of a safe hatch, you see where this is going? Also, their “surveys” consisted of asking a few out of staters how many they caught that day. If the numbers of fish weren’t there, how are the guides catching limits? How are guides taking multiple trips out per day without the game warden knowing? There’s few ramps accessible during low water, don’t you think the GW would catch them? Things don’t add up. The shock boat I witnessed survey fish was shocking in 4 fow during August…when we were banging limits of slabs in 20 fow…obviously your survey numbers were low, they weren’t living up there. I’ll be glad to talk facts, not feelings over the situation. Anyone that wants to come jump on my boat at Grenada and show me how easy Livescope is, I’m easy to get ahold of.
Those that can fish, fish. Those that can’t fish try to stop everyone else from fishing.
They will wait until it's to late. Take away spotlight from those who have to rely on it and i will out fish them from the bank.
Waiting to see how many lawsuits are forthcoming.
That is awesome. On another note, what do you know about "The Fishing Shad" OG Lure?
Sir Randall great news
In our lakes they use ffs to locate schools of crappie and then use cast net to 25 - 30 crappie one cast!
It doesn’t need to be banned. Lower creel limit. And increase size limits. Stop crying.
It needs to be banned period
You're wrong! I've had live scope for three years. First year I used it quiet a bit just because it was something new, but now, I might go out and catch my white perch limit 10 times a year. I bet there are a lot of people that do the same thing. That's definitely not hurting the population.
@@kennithhedgepeth164 bro white perch and bass not same same....
@@mdoc140 I agree ,but he was saying take it out of the hands of everybody!
It's the big one that needs to be protected. Now the big one doesn't get away.
Randy. If they pay me what i paid for my FFS. THEY CAN HAVE IT
that means every one suffers whether they use livescope or not livescope needs to beoutlawed!
All fishing is affected by technology . The quality of red ear fishing for example has declined by the use of side view . The reason it has not been as dramatic is because less people fish for them . As outdoorsmen we have a choice to help/hurt nature .It seems greed drives a person making minimum wage to buy a piece of equipment for no other reason than to pack the freezer . No unit last forever so the next piece of equipment hurts more than the last . Since the age of the bottom flasher this has been true . lake mapping has had the largest effect on fishing in my opinion before FFS .Guides make even the ones that dont master the use of FFS a threat to our fisheries . Ban all electronics on all federal waters and let each state decide for their state waters .
Hey, Randy, do you think the way doug Hannon's way of using technology is sustainable? I mean, he would use sonar to find areas he would fish, mark it with a buoy, turn off electrics, and then just fish? Granted, he thought sonar scared fish, but we know this isn't true because of forward facing sonar and it's "achievements". Now there's a big technology jump between Doug's time and ours, but I think they way he fished could be a standard for professional bass fishing. Some said half tournaments should be no fish and the other half everything is good. What about sonar goes off once you start to make your first cast. Use it to find all the big fish you want but when you fish you only get where you saw them. I would like to hear your opinion on that. But to me if recreational ffs users are devastating fisheries, I know it's a combination of lack of conservation mindedness and handling of fish. Would you want ffs users to register like concealed carry permit where you go to class for or would you want them to pay a conservation fee since they have a greater impact to the fishery? Cuz I don't think at this point you can just ban ffs from recreational fishers.
Randy I watch a lot of your videos and I understand what you're saying about livescope but you can't just do away with one type of sonar. 360, Side Imaging, and down Imaging have gotten so good that if you're going to do away with just forwarding sooner it's not going to help that much. Just do away with sonar. Or not at all. Personally I only fish a handful of times a year and don't keep the fish anymore. Either do away with all the sonar or extremely limit the catch. I have to disagree with you on just forward facing sonars. I remember the days before sonar and I think caught I more fish then. Love your show God bless and keep on trucking. Robert
What people don’t understand is that FFS is 10000 times better tool to catch fish than anything else.
@@tonygreen4356any electronic is cheating call it what it is . Stop coddling
@@tonygreen4356fish finder key words has been around a long time . My buddy sees fish on a tiny 5 in screen on his kayak catches fish with it go figure . If he didn't see the marks he would never get the fish
Wow! Only 10 fish a day?!? Did ya ever think a 20 fish limit mighta been f*ckin dumb to start with?
it will end up impacting all fisheries and more than just crappie and bass. big bull bluegill for jnstance are being taken in alarming numbers on ky lake now using perspective mode on beds. it takes 7-10 years to replace those fish IF it doesnt stunt existing populations by smaller fish maturing earlier(it takes 7 years for a bluegill to become sexually mature in a normal colony).
Nobody's going to ban it all together