I have a vintage neve and Bae and the difference is far more subtle than demonstrated. A variety of factors can account for such a drastic difference: Impedance set differently on each unit, gain or level mismatched, different takes/performance, power supply of one of the units near another power supply causing different noise floor, individual Neves and Baes vary in sound so it could just be luck of the draw in finding two units mismatched tonally as far as possible.
The Neve sample is louder on the electric guitar parts, so it has a psycho-acoustic advantage. I doubt anyone could tell the Neve from the BAE, if they were perfectly volume matched. The BAE seems a little louder on the acoustic guitar than the Neve. My ears tended to go with the louder material. I picked the Neve for the electric stuff and the BAE for the acoustic guitar, but I know I am biased based on volume.
I have BAE and vintage Neve and I am slightly suspicious of possible user error in matching either the gain or ohm setting between units. Or at least my units are much closer than what is shown in the video.
Yeah could have been something on our end as well because honestly they really don't sound that different if at all. I have heard the two side by side may times and its so close that for the money it makes the BAE a clear winner in my mind.
I've gotta say that the Neve just beats out the BAE, but the BAE is very, very, close. Is there anyone out there who can test a vintage Neve 1066 with a BAE 1066D? How about a re re-capped vintage Neve with a new BAE, or even a re-capped vintage Neve with a new Neve?
Great video. I wish we could listen to both pres/same perfomance even though Tim can nearly match both, it would still be a more accurate comparison. Proud owner of BAE products here and having done endless A/B against vintage 1073s I have to say not even one Vintage module sounds like another vintage module which is part of the magic. When considering maintenance and consistency on the production line, my choice was BAE. Cheers!
I agree. Having one performance perfectly volume matched would be awesome. My guess is that nobody would be able to tell a difference between the Neve and BAE, if they were volume matched and the same take. The components are basically identical. The BAE is just newer.
Volume wasn't the issue...The tone of these two units are VERY different. Neve has more low-mid harmonics and BAE has more high mids (at least with these audio signals). And yes, the components could be identical, but that's only 1/2 the story. The circuit board they're mounted on, the materials used on the sockets those components are plugged into, etc - are undoubtedly different. Even slight variations in materials used will cause variations in electrical conductivity, which can cause pretty big differences in tone.
Absolutely not my experience using both on a daily basis specially on the past couple years. And I've not only used them but have opened multiple units including other clones like Heritage and the current AMS production. The core components on the BAE are preserved. The audio files don't lie. BAE is anything but thin on the mid lows. If you are able to put both Vintage and BAE in a BCM10 and run multiple sources trough it, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Cheers!
@@thelukepimentel Please make a demo then or audio files you will stand behind publicly while being verified by others. Vintage Neve keeps beating BAE in everything I've heard so far. I was seriously considering getting BAE, but I'm cringing because on everything I've heard so far, I'd pick Vintage Neve... And I'm not a vintage music kind of guy either. The basic design may be preserved, and although component drift over time is probably a factor, apparently no one can use all the same materials to create Marainair transformers or maybe even St. Ives identically. The solder used today is even different... Even resistors are usually different... Although maybe old style resistors can be used.. The resistor thing definitely makes a difference in just guitar pedals though (old resistors cause for a sweeter sound according to a a very good pedal cloner out of Chicago).. And in high end devices like these, the difference might even be more noticeable. At any rate, here, the BAE sounds like a "clone." to many, the BAE sounds better than the new AMS Never units that use newly built marinairs... If that's true and it's any more off.. No wonder people will pay twice the price for the vintage units. Damn.. My wallet is hurting already.. And I haven't even cracked it open... Oh yeah then there's resale value. Reliability? Not much of an issue when you simply want the best of the best.. Just from this video, it seems the Vintage Neve would just crush on almost every source... Who knows.. Maybe this is just a good one, but nothing has proved to me otherwise just yet... Which is very unfortunate for sure!
the neve does sound much more huge and in your face. But, you can hear it clipping on the distorted chords compared with the BAE. I'd be interested to hear this test again with the input gain on the BAE turned up more.
I hate to say it, but the Neve sounds warmer, I tried to volume match the samples but even when I had the BAE slightly louder, it didn't sound as warm and nice as the Neve. I'm listening on Sennheiser HD650 headphones, there's a big difference. I'm just about to buy a BAE DMP.................I think.........mmmmmm.......maybe the originalNeve now.
Tim has both and uses the BAE. They both are great and I don't think you can go wrong with either. I have heard people make great stuff with $200 pre's so I think with either one of these you can't really lose.
Adam And Beata I can tell the same difference on a Samsung s7 speaker lol. Some people say to listen in good monitors, which duh... reveals the lows and highs, but the critical midrange IS there... and the Neve sounds better.. and not really that close. The original seems to have more balls, even through a dinky speaker. It's not something that disappears after a hi/lo pass. Maybe it's a difference in saturation. Sure... every old Neve will sound different. But in this example, the Neve slays. Cream and body is how I'd describe it. Delish.
It was actually pretty obvious lol. I thought I wasn't going to hear a difference at all and I did. It's only part of the multi speaker monitoring process, but this dinky thing helps me audition guitar tones. Guitars need to sound relatively good on nano speakers these days... iPhone and Samsung. There is an app you can use to pipe bluetooth in reverse to a phone btw. Looking into that. Printing and drop boxing wastes time.
This is accurate I had the BAE thats what it sounds like. more of a low end push and more information there than the neve. Neve sounds like FM Radio Rock, clearer and more familiar sounding. Les paul + marshall + neve = FM Radio
The Neve is clipping on the E guitar so hard to exactly compare. Also, was the low pass filter engaged on the BAE? Sounds a little woofty compared to the Neve.
How interesting. Thanks so much for posting this. To my relatively low experience ears, the BAE sounds a bit lifeless by comparison, but the crackling, or clipping, or whatever you call it from the Neve did not work for me. Can we have the life of the Neve without the crackle, or is that what gives it the yummy character?
what I heard was something like a happy face eq with the BAE where the Neve was more mid pushed the BAE sounded brighter, I don't really wanna say brighter just maybe the mids back a smidge making the highs stand out more, but this is a preamp only vs a pre with EQ right? Doesn't the sound change a tad when you engage the EQ? Anyway, I usually can't hear the differences as clear so maybe it's a testament to how well its recorded for those differences to poke through or my ears are starting to pick up on things...maybe both. Thanks for doing this and I would take a BAE any day and OF COURSE a Vintage Neve
I didn't really like the distorted guitar part of the shootout. I think there was too much mic pre distortion going on just not sounding good to my ears. Now the clean guitar you can hear a huge difference. The BAE was significantly brighter than the real Neve.
The difference shown here is mostly caused by different playing and settings. Those comparisons are interesting, but you have to work with the units to really know the difference. The Neve sound was always a combination of EQ, preamp and Filters. Here you have just the preamp.
The Neve is clearer, fatter, warmer, and the BAE is a little harsh in comparison. I love comparisons, but also value quality pre amps. Both, with the obvious price difference, would be great to have in a studio.
I use both Neve and API pre's and EQ's in 500 racks. I started with Brent Averil and now BAE. I prefer the BAE over my vintage neve's, they have been very reliable and cost effective as well.
Never sounds better because it's matured and warmed up over the years. My bae sounds a lot warmer now it's been through its paces, you need to saturate the transformers to break them in.
that's helpful, thanks. I was a bit concerned how good the Neve sounded compared to the DMP. Neve sounded like it had more energy also. I'm listening on Sennheiser HD650's, the difference is huge!
If anything its probably tolerances and your Capacitors, resistors changing over time. Im not sure that transformers really break in or change tone over time.
Vintage Neve all the way. As a former recording engineer, have you tried a Neumann KM-84 on acoustic? Great mic with a more articulate midrange. The AKG is great on hi highs and low lows but not great in the mids (IMHO).
Neil Brody Yeah he has about everything you can think of. I'll tell you what he can use just about anything and it sounds great. He has been using the BAE's on every kind of session with just about every kind of artist with the Neve's right behind him and he still goes with the BAE. I think it boils down to personal preference and for the common man price haha!
PapastachePop Hey Papastache. I'm listening off my mac speakers so not exactly the best listening environment. Both sound great and price counts. Thanks for the great playing from Tim.
Thanks for the video, I own BAE and Vintage neve modules, I think this video is very accurate, there is a BIG difference between these 2 modules listen to the Thick hairy lowed and over all fullness of the Vintage Neve vs the BAE, I know BAE is GREAT and well worth the price, but those vintage neves just have some fat blissful harmonic content that I've heard No clone match yet. This video is a good example, even though it's an mp3. Also another thing I'd like to add is the eq on the 1073 is amazing I always use it while tracking, I'm considering purchasing a pair of BAE 1084's soon. Thanks Again.
Christian Noir, Every pair of vintage Neves I purchased was the around the same price as the BAE modules or cheaper. I would never pay $17.k for a pair of preamps.
Bae sounds like there’s a little more mid range bite & the gain is being pushed a little harder. I’d take the Lush, full sound of the Neves Harmonics over the Bae’s bite based on this comparison video. Great Video! 😎👍
The only difference I hear is volume. The Neve on electric is louder and breaking up in the upper mids in a bad way. The BAE is louder on acoustics. If I had to choose it would be the BAE for overall tone. They both sound almost identical except for the mid breakup on the Neve.
They both had about the same noise floor. One wasn't really worse than the other. They distortion/clipping you were hearing, especially on the electric was coming from the Preamp itself saturating/overdriving. Whether it was being pushed harder or not, the EQ circuit, and extra gain stage in the Neve, component/tolerance differences, transformer differences, and how they both reacted to the pickups/impedance etc, all play a role.
@@BrettPapa Maybe I can ask you this, I need to get a preamp for a Neumann u87. From your experience, would a UA610 be your choice or a 1073 type of pre?
On acoustic guitar... the BAE's bass region is too loose and static sounding. The bass fails to follow the dynamic execution of rhythmic patterns and delivers too much of an ambient resonant reality tone which lacks dynamism and tightness. On electric guitar... the BAE generates noticeable amounts of fuzz. The transistor is likely not biased correctly or has not been preselected properly. If the gain control is dialed past a certain range, the tone will be subjected to either excessive amounts of saturation or other distortion types like sizzle and sibilance. Typically, these devices exhibit a general lack of mid frequency punch. The low dynamic range will eventually be insufficient to incorporate the tracks into the context of a crowded mix. The "Heritage Elite" and "GAP MK2" are other prominent exhibits
Neve wins hands down. So much richer, fuller bodied, and harmonically complex. The BAE sounds thin. That said, to be fair, I've be heard Bae in shootouts against the Neve and others, where it sounded great, and as good as a Neve,
Way bigger price tag too lol! They actually both sound great. My audio setup was pretty basic back then so it is really tough to actually tell. I can say this I know quite a few people who have both and a lot of them still use the BAE.
No Tim didn't lie he just didn't remember what the initials stood for. His buddy owns the company which is the funny part. And Tim uses their products over his vintage Neve's every day. Thanks for watching!
Neve sounds WAY better. I'm listening on living room stereo speakers from the 70's. Neve is WAY WAY better. Bae sounds similar but has pure mud in the bottom end. Neve is tight, harmonic, clear, strong and gainy.
I have a vintage neve and Bae and the difference is far more subtle than demonstrated. A variety of factors can account for such a drastic difference: Impedance set differently on each unit, gain or level mismatched, different takes/performance, power supply of one of the units near another power supply causing different noise floor, individual Neves and Baes vary in sound so it could just be luck of the draw in finding two units mismatched tonally as far as possible.
Which BAE do you have though?
1084 rack, 1073 modules, 1073 mp
Music must be the best medicine. Tim always looks so blissful when he's playing!
The Neve sample is louder on the electric guitar parts, so it has a psycho-acoustic advantage. I doubt anyone could tell the Neve from the BAE, if they were perfectly volume matched. The BAE seems a little louder on the acoustic guitar than the Neve. My ears tended to go with the louder material. I picked the Neve for the electric stuff and the BAE for the acoustic guitar, but I know I am biased based on volume.
Easy.. Turn up the volume. It won't change your perception all that much in this case.
same here, you are correct.
BAE brighter thats for sure
Chris Dover, I agree. I'm hearing the bottom end on the electric parts are close, but top end's brighter across all the samples.
I have BAE and vintage Neve and I am slightly suspicious of possible user error in matching either the gain or ohm setting between units. Or at least my units are much closer than what is shown in the video.
Yeah could have been something on our end as well because honestly they really don't sound that different if at all. I have heard the two side by side may times and its so close that for the money it makes the BAE a clear winner in my mind.
Best beginning of any TH-cam video I’ve ever watched
Awesome!
I've gotta say that the Neve just beats out the BAE, but the BAE is very, very, close. Is there anyone out there who can test a vintage Neve 1066 with a BAE 1066D? How about a re re-capped vintage Neve with a new BAE, or even a re-capped vintage Neve with a new Neve?
Great video. I wish we could listen to both pres/same perfomance even though Tim can nearly match both, it would still be a more accurate comparison. Proud owner of BAE products here and having done endless A/B against vintage 1073s I have to say not even one Vintage module sounds like another vintage module which is part of the magic. When considering maintenance and consistency on the production line, my choice was BAE. Cheers!
I agree. Having one performance perfectly volume matched would be awesome. My guess is that nobody would be able to tell a difference between the Neve and BAE, if they were volume matched and the same take. The components are basically identical. The BAE is just newer.
Volume wasn't the issue...The tone of these two units are VERY different. Neve has more low-mid harmonics and BAE has more high mids (at least with these audio signals). And yes, the components could be identical, but that's only 1/2 the story. The circuit board they're mounted on, the materials used on the sockets those components are plugged into, etc - are undoubtedly different. Even slight variations in materials used will cause variations in electrical conductivity, which can cause pretty big differences in tone.
Absolutely not my experience using both on a daily basis specially on the past couple years. And I've not only used them but have opened multiple units including other clones like Heritage and the current AMS production. The core components on the BAE are preserved. The audio files don't lie. BAE is anything but thin on the mid lows. If you are able to put both Vintage and BAE in a BCM10 and run multiple sources trough it, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Cheers!
+Lucas “L u k e” Pimentel 👍👍👍
@@thelukepimentel Please make a demo then or audio files you will stand behind publicly while being verified by others. Vintage Neve keeps beating BAE in everything I've heard so far. I was seriously considering getting BAE, but I'm cringing because on everything I've heard so far, I'd pick Vintage Neve... And I'm not a vintage music kind of guy either.
The basic design may be preserved, and although component drift over time is probably a factor, apparently no one can use all the same materials to create Marainair transformers or maybe even St. Ives identically. The solder used today is even different... Even resistors are usually different... Although maybe old style resistors can be used.. The resistor thing definitely makes a difference in just guitar pedals though (old resistors cause for a sweeter sound according to a a very good pedal cloner out of Chicago).. And in high end devices like these, the difference might even be more noticeable.
At any rate, here, the BAE sounds like a "clone." to many, the BAE sounds better than the new AMS Never units that use newly built marinairs... If that's true and it's any more off.. No wonder people will pay twice the price for the vintage units.
Damn.. My wallet is hurting already.. And I haven't even cracked it open...
Oh yeah then there's resale value.
Reliability? Not much of an issue when you simply want the best of the best.. Just from this video, it seems the Vintage Neve would just crush on almost every source... Who knows.. Maybe this is just a good one, but nothing has proved to me otherwise just yet... Which is very unfortunate for sure!
Damn. It wasn't too noticable on electric but when you busted out the acoustic it stood out right away. Massive difference there
the neve does sound much more huge and in your face. But, you can hear it clipping on the distorted chords compared with the BAE. I'd be interested to hear this test again with the input gain on the BAE turned up more.
I think we have very different ideas of what 'afforable' is
2:55 says it all, the BAE sounds dull and flat compared to the original Neve.
Yea huge difference.. vintage sounds bigger, bit darker, other sounds slightly shrill in comparison
yeah!! Neve is punchy, fat, big! Bae is fat too, but no punch, soapy sound with washed out attacks.
I hate to say it, but the Neve sounds warmer, I tried to volume match the samples but even when I had the BAE slightly louder, it didn't sound as warm and nice as the Neve. I'm listening on Sennheiser HD650 headphones, there's a big difference. I'm just about to buy a BAE DMP.................I think.........mmmmmm.......maybe the originalNeve now.
Tim has both and uses the BAE. They both are great and I don't think you can go wrong with either. I have heard people make great stuff with $200 pre's so I think with either one of these you can't really lose.
Thanks :)
Adam And Beata I can tell the same difference on a Samsung s7 speaker lol. Some people say to listen in good monitors, which duh... reveals the lows and highs, but the critical midrange IS there... and the Neve sounds better.. and not really that close. The original seems to have more balls, even through a dinky speaker. It's not something that disappears after a hi/lo pass.
Maybe it's a difference in saturation.
Sure... every old Neve will sound different. But in this example, the Neve slays. Cream and body is how I'd describe it. Delish.
Wow.. then you have good ears! Bravo! ☺
It was actually pretty obvious lol. I thought I wasn't going to hear a difference at all and I did.
It's only part of the multi speaker monitoring process, but this dinky thing helps me audition guitar tones. Guitars need to sound relatively good on nano speakers these days... iPhone and Samsung.
There is an app you can use to pipe bluetooth in reverse to a phone btw. Looking into that. Printing and drop boxing wastes time.
This is accurate I had the BAE thats what it sounds like. more of a low end push and more information there than the neve. Neve sounds like FM Radio Rock, clearer and more familiar sounding. Les paul + marshall + neve = FM Radio
Neve still sounds betta!
they both sound great to me
Yep agreed! He actually uses the BAE more.
I ran across a deal on one of these. Half price used. All excited and about to pull the trigger, I saw this video. Bummed and didn’t pull the trigger.
Ah man! You still need one haha!
@@BrettPapa Was bummed because it didn't sound right in this video. Kinda choked sound. (10 months later haha)
Great video!! Would be incredible to add a Great river mercenary edition to the comparison… we know is different, but it would be very interesting.
Yeah I hear those are great as well. I would love to redo this at some point. Learned a lot since then.
The Neve is clipping on the E guitar so hard to exactly compare.
Also, was the low pass filter engaged on the BAE? Sounds a little woofty compared to the Neve.
How interesting. Thanks so much for posting this. To my relatively low experience ears, the BAE sounds a bit lifeless by comparison, but the crackling, or clipping, or whatever you call it from the Neve did not work for me. Can we have the life of the Neve without the crackle, or is that what gives it the yummy character?
Great video Papa. Tim is the man!!!
Yes he is! Blows me away every time I film him. He is an incredible talent. A true gift to the music world.
Well i think you're a great talent to papa
Great player!
what I heard was something like a happy face eq with the BAE where the Neve was more mid pushed the BAE sounded brighter, I don't really wanna say brighter just maybe the mids back a smidge making the highs stand out more, but this is a preamp only vs a pre with EQ right? Doesn't the sound change a tad when you engage the EQ? Anyway, I usually can't hear the differences as clear so maybe it's a testament to how well its recorded for those differences to poke through or my ears are starting to pick up on things...maybe both. Thanks for doing this and I would take a BAE any day and OF COURSE a Vintage Neve
I didn't really like the distorted guitar part of the shootout. I think there was too much mic pre distortion going on just not sounding good to my ears.
Now the clean guitar you can hear a huge difference. The BAE was significantly brighter than the real Neve.
Neve all the way! Are you using the Distressor in the chain? Great video! Thanks :-)
Nope. Just into the pre's.
The difference shown here is mostly caused by different playing and settings. Those comparisons are interesting, but you have to work with the units to really know the difference. The Neve sound was always a combination of EQ, preamp and Filters. Here you have just the preamp.
The Neve is clearer, fatter, warmer, and the BAE is a little harsh in comparison. I love comparisons, but also value quality pre amps. Both, with the obvious price difference, would be great to have in a studio.
I use both Neve and API pre's and EQ's in 500 racks. I started with Brent Averil and now BAE. I prefer the BAE over my vintage neve's, they have been very reliable and cost effective as well.
Their stuff is awesome!
Brent Averill is the same thing as BAE "Brent Averill Enterprises"
Never sounds better because it's matured and warmed up over the years. My bae sounds a lot warmer now it's been through its paces, you need to saturate the transformers to break them in.
that's helpful, thanks. I was a bit concerned how good the Neve sounded compared to the DMP. Neve sounded like it had more energy also. I'm listening on Sennheiser HD650's, the difference is huge!
If anything its probably tolerances and your Capacitors, resistors changing over time. Im not sure that transformers really break in or change tone over time.
@@underpressureman they don't.
@@RS-pp7ng Oh okay, Thanks. Good to know!
Vintage Neve all the way. As a former recording engineer, have you tried a Neumann KM-84 on acoustic? Great mic with a more articulate midrange. The AKG is great on hi highs and low lows but not great in the mids (IMHO).
Neil Brody Yeah he has about everything you can think of. I'll tell you what he can use just about anything and it sounds great. He has been using the BAE's on every kind of session with just about every kind of artist with the Neve's right behind him and he still goes with the BAE. I think it boils down to personal preference and for the common man price haha!
PapastachePop Hey Papastache. I'm listening off my mac speakers so not exactly the best listening environment. Both sound great and price counts. Thanks for the great playing from Tim.
Thanks for the video, I own BAE and Vintage neve modules, I think this video is very accurate, there is a BIG difference between these 2 modules listen to the Thick hairy lowed and over all fullness of the Vintage Neve vs the BAE, I know BAE is GREAT and well worth the price, but those vintage neves just have some fat blissful harmonic content that I've heard No clone match yet. This video is a good example, even though it's an mp3.
Also another thing I'd like to add is the eq on the 1073 is amazing I always use it while tracking, I'm considering purchasing a pair of BAE 1084's soon.
Thanks
Again.
Did you get the BAE's?
Christian Noir
i purchased more vintage Neves i have both and can tell you I just like the originals better on everything.
@@RiotHomeRecording Lucky you. I can't afford 17k for a pair of 1084's lol.
Instead I've been stocking up on some critical vintage parts.
Christian Noir,
Every pair of vintage Neves I purchased was the around the same price as the BAE modules or cheaper. I would never pay $17.k for a pair of preamps.
@@RiotHomeRecording I would love to know where to find them. Ebay, Reverb, and Vintage King are ridiculous! :(
Bae sounds like there’s a little more mid range bite & the gain is being pushed a little harder. I’d take the Lush, full sound of the Neves Harmonics over the Bae’s bite based on this comparison video.
Great Video! 😎👍
Thanks! Both sound great!
The only difference I hear is volume. The Neve on electric is louder and breaking up in the upper mids in a bad way. The BAE is louder on acoustics. If I had to choose it would be the BAE for overall tone. They both sound almost identical except for the mid breakup on the Neve.
Very noticeable difference. The Neve is much fuller, much more in your face, better sounding. Thanks for the demonstration
Sure thing
Neve pre does sound better but the BAE comes very very close imho. Neve preamp will probably cost you though..
Tim that is a sexy guitar in the intro ... damn man. your rocking out is golden. always.
The fact that there is horrible floor volume is odd. BAE is cool as hell!
They both had about the same noise floor. One wasn't really worse than the other. They distortion/clipping you were hearing, especially on the electric was coming from the Preamp itself saturating/overdriving. Whether it was being pushed harder or not, the EQ circuit, and extra gain stage in the Neve, component/tolerance differences, transformer differences, and how they both reacted to the pickups/impedance etc, all play a role.
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Well, it’s a vintage Neve... this has more mid lows than the BAE. Great test👍
Thanks!
Haha. Was he playing wanted dead or alive on acoustic?
The Neve sounds soooo good. More open and bity on my speakers. Both very Nice though.
its actually louder than the BAEs volume
The Neve sounds punchier but Id be happy with either one to work with in a mix!
Yeah, both are great.
@@BrettPapa Maybe I can ask you this, I need to get a preamp for a Neumann u87. From your experience, would a UA610 be your choice or a 1073 type of pre?
The Neve clips are louder so it's going to trick the ear into thinking its "better"
The BAE actually peaked higher, but the Neve had more compression which might make it feel louder overall.
Karl-Johan Thenström i know for a fact that those electric guitar clips, the neve was louder by at least a db or 2 lol
The vintage Neve sounds fuller. The BAE is no slouch.
The Neve sound is organic and darker, BAE is brighter and more static
On acoustic guitar... the BAE's bass region is too loose and static sounding. The bass fails to follow the dynamic execution of rhythmic patterns and delivers too much of an ambient resonant reality tone which lacks dynamism and tightness.
On electric guitar... the BAE generates noticeable amounts of fuzz. The transistor is likely not biased correctly or has not been preselected properly. If the gain control is dialed past a certain range, the tone will be subjected to either excessive amounts of saturation or other distortion types like sizzle and sibilance. Typically, these devices exhibit a general lack of mid frequency punch. The low dynamic range will eventually be insufficient to incorporate the tracks into the context of a crowded mix. The "Heritage Elite" and "GAP MK2" are other prominent exhibits
This!
Neve wins hands down. So much richer, fuller bodied, and harmonically complex. The BAE sounds thin. That said, to be fair, I've
be heard Bae in shootouts against the Neve and others, where it sounded great, and as good as a Neve,
Yeah the Neve sounds older lol.
Neve
This is not a good ad for BAE. Nothing near the Neve.
The Neve is thicker and punchier
I can hear the difference. The neve 1073 original is bigger.
Way bigger price tag too lol! They actually both sound great. My audio setup was pretty basic back then so it is really tough to actually tell. I can say this I know quite a few people who have both and a lot of them still use the BAE.
I don't think BAE stands for British Audio Engineering. I'm pretty sure it's something totally different.
Yeah I just looked it up. BAE is some dudes initials haha The dude Tim totally lied out his ass on that one 🙌
No Tim didn't lie he just didn't remember what the initials stood for. His buddy owns the company which is the funny part. And Tim uses their products over his vintage Neve's every day. Thanks for watching!
papastache102 Yeah I know he didn't lie...I'm just busting balls. Thanks for the content!
Well, actually. . .
BAE originally stood for Brent Averill Enterprises, but after Brent Averill sold the company it became British Audio Engineering.
BAE wins!
They are awesome!
Wow, it isn't even a close comparison...vintage Neve all the way, lol.
Tim is way cooler than papastach,and he doesn't play katy perry songs on guitar
Be nice! Haha
neve sounds thicker fuller than bae
Neve sounds WAY better. I'm listening on living room stereo speakers from the 70's. Neve is WAY WAY better. Bae sounds similar but has pure mud in the bottom end. Neve is tight, harmonic, clear, strong and gainy.
Electric hands down neave….acoustic…sound the sameish….intresting
Neve is punchy, fat, big! Bae is fat too, but no punch, a bit soapy sound with washed out attacks.
Where does this awful clipping comes from when the neve is used? I mean... all that gear and not able to gain stage? It sounds like digital clipping.