What the Harvard Lawsuit Revealed to You: How Admissions Officers Rate Applicants

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    The info's at the front, the tea's at the end. Pick your pick:
    1:26 - Overview
    3:13 - What happens to your file when it reaches the admissions office
    4:43 - Academics
    6:17 - Extracurriculars
    7:49 - Athletic
    8:45 - Personal
    12:00 - Recommendations
    12:50 - Alumni Interview
    13:50 - My own opinion: Is Harvard's admission system fair? Is it effective?
    17:15 - My own opinion: Should this rating system be kept?
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    SYNOPSIS
    Hi all! Today, we discuss what the Harvard Asian Admission Lawsuit revealed: Harvard admissions office's reading procedures. While this is specific to Harvard, many top tier institutions, like Yale, Princeton, Stanford, utilize similar procedures to rate applicants. In explaining how the rating system works and what it means for you, the applicant, I also integrate my own take on whether the current reading procedures are fair and effective, as well as how race and socioeconomic classes are affected. I hope you found the video insightful and feel free to leave opposing opinions, questions, or ideas in the comments section!
    Related keywords: how admissions officers rate you, how admissions officers rate applicants, harvard admissions file, Harvard's admissions process, does harvard discriminate

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  • @irisfu6929
    @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Hi all! I hope you enjoy this highly
    requested video. Feel free to continue the conversation below, as I’m only one person with a singular perspective. Hopefully, we can stir some intellectual discussion into all the college application info on this channel. Sending best wishes and have a beautiful day 💕

    • @viankachetty1100
      @viankachetty1100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you please do a video on how you study/how you made your notes etc.? Btw you are amazing and sooo pretty ♥️♥️♥️

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vianka Chetty hey vianka!! Definitely planning that for this upcoming school year when I actually start studying again ahaha but for now these are the videos I’ve made on studying!! Enjoy xx th-cam.com/play/PLnPec3n73CxKMa4CHUoP-JlfvPLsjgNT6.html

    • @viankachetty1100
      @viankachetty1100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Iris ♥️ thank you sooo much ♥️♥️

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aasritha Butti hi! I think it’s pretty similar to Harvard’s. Unfortunately, Yale doesn’t release their full reading procedure, but I’d recommend you check out the podcast, inside the Yale admissions office (hosted by two Yale AOs!) for more insight!!

    • @hasninemamud3222
      @hasninemamud3222 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      does you have to take sat subject test?? is it essential for International student?

  • @pandacat5697
    @pandacat5697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +571

    Plot twist : she is actually a secret Harvard admission officer

    • @unknownservers3420
      @unknownservers3420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too young

    • @vinh8022
      @vinh8022 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@unknownservers3420 no shit sherlock

  • @bpxl53yewz29
    @bpxl53yewz29 2 ปีที่แล้ว +440

    It's unfortunate that colleges like Harvard give such weight to recommendations, when larger public high school teachers and counselors have so many students they're handling and so the rec will be less personal, etc. My high school has over 600 seniors and only 5 or 6 counselors, leaving them each with 100 seniors to write recs for. Meanwhile, private school counselors have personal relationships with admissions officers/ directors at the top schools. You hear stories of how a simple phone call from a counselor got kids in.

    • @edwardb7811
      @edwardb7811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Somebody told you life was fair?

    • @jy7213
      @jy7213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Public high school teachers have many students but they still know who their #1 student is that year. Generally you have to be THE best student in the class that year to get into Harvard unless you are coming from a super competitive feeder school. I don't think a phone call from a counselor can get a student in because Harvard knows that counselors at public high schools don't know their students well. It might be a different story if it's someone who's been the head counselor at a top school like the Philips Andover Academy for 25 years and has sent dozens of students.

    • @jy7213
      @jy7213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Young Young Not at all. The #1 student is not the one who has the highest GPA and test scores. Especially in math and science, it is very obvious who the #1 student is. They often have very high GPAs and scores but are not necessarily the valedictorians or have perfect SATs. The valedictorian and salutatorian went to Penn at my high school but the smartest student went to Harvard.

    • @jy7213
      @jy7213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Young Young You seem to be saying that the main difference between your kid and the others with higher GPAs and scores who got rejected from Stanford is that your kid schmoozed with his teachers better. I much doubt that was the decisive factor. There must have been some other factors that made your kid stand out such as an unusual talent or exceptional circumstances that he had to overcome. Teachers can certainly highlight such circumstances and talents in their recommendations but they can not make them up out of the blue just because a kid makes extra effort to be close to them.

    • @jy7213
      @jy7213 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Young Young You are completely mistaken when you say you have to go by the grades and scores to determine the true number 1 student. The SAT is a ridiculously easy test that doesn't differentiate the merely intelligent from the brilliant. High school GPAs average all kinds of subjects, some of which are very stupid and almost all of which are not demanding. So someone has a 1500 SAT and 3.8 GPA could very well be 100 times smarter than someone who has a 1580 SAT and 4.0 GPA. At the higher end of the scale, there are other, more valid measures of intellectual ability such as creative work, success in national or international competitions, verbal skills, fund of knowledge, research activity, etc.

  • @zealous7691
    @zealous7691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    "maybe discover a new planet"
    me be like: yea that's easy lemme just grab my dad's spaceship

    • @imnotfunny2
      @imnotfunny2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol you still use you don’t have your own spaceship? what are you 5? /j

    • @annemmie
      @annemmie ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@imnotfunny2 wait you haven’t invented your own spaceship model yet? bfr, I see a clear 6 here🙄🙄🙄 /j

  • @KenIzuka
    @KenIzuka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    6:02 "Discover a new planet..."

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      Lol 😂 legit someone in my stanford class did that sooo.... 😳

    • @KenIzuka
      @KenIzuka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@irisfu6929 Well, I better buy a telescope soon.

    • @queenelizabethll1080
      @queenelizabethll1080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@KenIzuka so......did you find one?

  • @Emily-kw8vn
    @Emily-kw8vn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    BINGO. People expect college admissions to be a completely meritocratic process with absolute precision where in reality, it's really much more like looking for a job. It absolutely needs to be said that you can get a good education at many many places. Applying to a top selective private institution is much more like trying to get into top selective employer post college, subjectivity is always going to be there and it's going to need to be a two way fit between demand and supply.

  • @nellieeess
    @nellieeess 4 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    I just wanted to let you know that what you do is really valued. You are helping hundreds of students out there, including me. Super interesting video by the way, I watched the whole thing and did not skip ads :)

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thanks for this message :) really appreciate your support 💕💕💕

  • @annakorczak4478
    @annakorczak4478 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I can't believe this hasn't gone viral.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      LOL share it with anyone who you think would find it helpful!

  • @kennynguyen9808
    @kennynguyen9808 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Timestamps
    1:26 - Overview
    3:13 - What happens to your file when it reaches the admissions office
    4:43 - Academics
    6:17 - Extracurriculars
    7:49 - Athletic
    8:45 - Personal
    12:00 - Recommendations
    12:50 - Alumni Interview
    13:50 - Is Harvard's admission system fair? Is it effective?
    17:15 - Should this rating system be kept?

  • @arminislam6805
    @arminislam6805 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I read on quora that a girl didn't have much good grades and still made it into harvard just by spending 4-5 months in writing essays...so ig essays are really very important especially the one where u describe ur personality- it's gonna play a huge role into getting enrolled into harvard- some other youtubers also have said this-

  • @lilmeembot8958
    @lilmeembot8958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I was searching for a vid like this for so long. Thanks for makin one✨❤️

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My pleasure! ❤️🌟

  • @sydneyanderson2484
    @sydneyanderson2484 4 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    you best believe I’m not skipping the ads!!💓 such an interesting perspective! I hope you are feeling more motivated now :,,) I’m excited to learn more about your passion projects and personality!🥺

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hahahaha thanks and yes I am feeling more motivated!! Excited to share more about my stories, experiences, and opinions these coming weeks 💕

  • @williamdiep6803
    @williamdiep6803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Wow, you continue to post such helpful, useful information. You just made my day with this meaningful content! And from your video before this one, thank you so much for being so honest and sincere with us. We love seeing you! Continue doing what you love to do and know that we appreciate everything you do!!

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      William Diep Aw thanks for this comment! Glad you enjoy the content

  • @shivanjalimishra8434
    @shivanjalimishra8434 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was so helpful! Thanks a ton, Iris! ❤️

  • @johanneswu836
    @johanneswu836 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey girl, this has been extremely helpful. Many thanks ! Your English rocks.

  • @rawal4sky656
    @rawal4sky656 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this was so helpful thanku so much! good luck for your college

  • @lasdedd4871
    @lasdedd4871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an excellent presentation. Great job!

  • @tracyw7007
    @tracyw7007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Omg this vid literally helped so much! Thanks for making this!

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ofc! Glad u found it helpful :)

  • @karthikgaur7364
    @karthikgaur7364 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for such an amazing video Iris!

  • @Nanami_X_Higurama
    @Nanami_X_Higurama 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You're like one of my most favourite content creator on TH-cam , please don't leave TH-cam so soon ,🥺 Thanks for all the amazing videos 👍🤟

  • @castleofcostamesa8291
    @castleofcostamesa8291 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you very much for your thoughtful and valuable video!

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re welcome!

  • @manjooku
    @manjooku 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    this is very helpful and insightful, thank you so much! I'm an international rising junior from Asia and honestly? I'm confused and a lot worried abt US uni applications. but this video helped clear out my worries and questions!

  • @vivian-xr3kv
    @vivian-xr3kv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    iris thank you for this!!

  • @jokuhfjih5835
    @jokuhfjih5835 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    You really did that. This video is so informative and you explain everything in such a clear way. 💕

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the feedback!!! 🌟

  • @kalilyas307
    @kalilyas307 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much! Your content is so helpful!

  • @weraniemczyk4364
    @weraniemczyk4364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amaizing video jeeeez thank you sooo much!!! 💓💓💓

  • @affynti
    @affynti 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This was such a helpful and informative video! Thank you Iris. I definitely think that this system serves these institutions effectively, and I'm glad that the lawsuit let us know about how they review applications.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, after all, the system is serving Harvard, not the people (contrary to what a lot of people might want to hear). It is cool that we now have a more transparent view of how the process works! Thanks for stopping by this video :)

  • @faustinamboko2825
    @faustinamboko2825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You have no idea how much you have helped me 👏👏.... Thank you so muuch 🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @noneedmarklee
    @noneedmarklee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this was super helpful, thanks !!!!

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      glad you found it helpful!!

  • @nurmuhammadaminov2806
    @nurmuhammadaminov2806 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just loved your speech and information yoy gave

  • @nithinganesh5313
    @nithinganesh5313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video! 💯💪

  • @johnliu977
    @johnliu977 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a helpful video!

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you think so!

  • @ahmadkanafani9888
    @ahmadkanafani9888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Absolutely in awe with your channel, love it, keep doing you! Quick question, do you think being multilingual (I speak 4 languages) is going to help a lot in my application and make me stand out or is it not that big of a factor?

    • @JustAnotherLokiStan
      @JustAnotherLokiStan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A large percentage of applicants (especially Asians) are multilingual. That doesn't really set you apart from others. If you are going for a linguistics major, then it gives you an advantage over other linguistics major applicants, but if you're applying for something unrelated, it won't help. However, if you're using your proficiency in different languages to do something unique (eg. do a job as a translator or help teach languages or even do something related to intercommunity communication) then that can be a plus point if you can bring out your talent in your essay. Just knowing a bunch of languages won't help. I speak five languages and am proficient in a number of Scandinavian scripts/dialects/dead languages but I'm not a linguistics major, and yet I'm gonna mention this in my application because I'm interested in Norse culture and mythology and my interest in Icelandic languages does help- but mostly I'm going to talk about how the languages I speak have impacted my life and my idea of the contemporary world. At the end of the day it's all about how you tie in your interests and skills with the major you choose.

  • @phantomGhost3
    @phantomGhost3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love u for this.💚

  • @mir7956
    @mir7956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I LOVE THIS VIDEO omg

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was so fun to make!!

  • @quintjohnson7462
    @quintjohnson7462 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really well said

  • @adrianadegbesan7780
    @adrianadegbesan7780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Underrated Channel

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adrian Adegbesan AHAHHA pls share with friends who you think would enjoy this channel!

  • @zuk2166
    @zuk2166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for this video! I was wondering if it was still possible to get in if my achievements aren’t on a national level but more about helping those in my community? Thank you again for this helpful video, stay safe!

  • @froppysjello3116
    @froppysjello3116 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    This was so helpful! Even though I want to go to UPenn (I'm in sixth grade haha) , your video gave me a sense of what to expect! I am often not really interested in watching a whole video like this but yours was so engaging and interested I didn't even decide to skip the ads! Great job and you just got yourself a new subscriber.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      So glad this video was engaging and helpful to you! Best of luck with the rest of middle school and high school!!

  • @arminislam6805
    @arminislam6805 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my gawd- T_T u helped me soo much relief my stress by saying that i don't need to be good at 10+ extra curricular activities and that being good at only one is enough- u dunno how anxious i was thinking that i had to be good at everything-

  • @edwardb7811
    @edwardb7811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful.

  • @harshasivakumar9340
    @harshasivakumar9340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really helpful thx a lot

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to hear that!

  • @unitedwedance4808
    @unitedwedance4808 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello, I love your videos! I have a question, for your book that you wrote, did that count as the academic category?

  • @Hanking-Yo-Schrader
    @Hanking-Yo-Schrader 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hey Iris! Very great video indeed! The best out there, I would say. Can you explain which method Harvard uses to convert grades from various international systems to GPA? And what GPA student gets a score of 1 in academics? (I am from India). An answer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

  • @pennyj4267
    @pennyj4267 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was thoroughly and we'll explained Iris. Good luck with school. Btw what do you want to be when you graduate school?

  • @mir7956
    @mir7956 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you💕

  • @S0FIAV
    @S0FIAV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    From peru, i trully enjoyed your video. I really thought I was like 100 years behind privilege students in America :)

  • @lizaestaquasela
    @lizaestaquasela 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If you think that the college admission process in the US is unfair, wait until you see how it is in Brazil.
    We take a kind of SAT, but it is more difficult because it includes geography, science, history, physics, math and Portuguese. And that's it.
    If you have studied enough, welcome to our university! If you don't, try again next year.
    We only have standardized tests to see if we deserve to go to university or not. SO UNFAIR.
    that's why i won't go here.

  • @prathamhombal3596
    @prathamhombal3596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love your channel and I had a quick question. Where do you think passion projects stand on the extracurricular scale?

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First, it highly depends on what passion project you end up doing, because there're so many options under the passion project category. Otherwise, on average, I'd say passion projects are the best type of extracurriculars you can do because it 1) shows leadership 2) shows creativity 3) shows initiative (the sense of changemaking) 4) shows that you care about your community and 5) shows that you impacted your community

  • @Stephanie-ez6xl
    @Stephanie-ez6xl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much! Even tho I’m only in 8th grade this is still very helpful because I like planning out everything😔

  • @asiaxo8018
    @asiaxo8018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m a 7th grader soon to be 8th grader and I’ve been watching a lot of these videos so when I get to high school I’ll know what path to be on. I don’t go to the best schools and the teachers here aren’t that good so I’m scared I’m not gonna get the education I need. I got 243 on my map reading test last fall. I’m not good at math at all. So I fear this will not get me into any ivy league colleges when I get older.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just keep doing your best, going above and beyond, outperforming expectations, and you will be just fine 👏👏 I didn’t come from a great high school either, but just try your very best in everything you do!!

  • @olwethumngomezulu1488
    @olwethumngomezulu1488 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi!Love your vids! Did you get in on scholarship but if you didn’t was it a lot of money to pay for your tuition?

  • @christianfreya3801
    @christianfreya3801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Hello, so for full disclosure, I am a URM at an "HYP" institution (serving solely for context as to what follows), and I sincerely wish, to give resourceful breathe to this particular issue. I suspect that what may be effectively needed is a shift in the thinking of admission processes' at T-10 institutions. The shift encapsulating a mode of thinking describing admissions as a form of moralistic discrimination, rather than what it just is - discrimination (no negative connotation).
    Iris is absolutely correct, though, I'll be a tad-bit more brazen. Admission committees are in the business of discrimination. Selectivity begets those who are conferred access and those who are not and if the declared purpose of these committees is (to in fact) curate a diverse student class than it stands to reason that quantitative metrics explicitly are insufficient in crafting such a holistic class. A little demography demonstrates that Asian applicants are disproportionately represented in the applicant pool relative to their census in the US population (that is not a bad thing!). Compounded by the reality that many (not all) of these applicants are equipped with quantitative metrics that exceed the institution's benchmarks coupled with cultural demands and/or conventional perceptions of success (from their parents) Asian applicants often have a difficult time differentiating themselves in the applicant pool. As an adcom officer vested with the raison d'etre of instantiated a wholly diverse (all kinds of diversity) class this abundance of resoundingly qualified Asian applicants is overwhelming - you simply cannot accept them all.
    As a side, around the 90th percentile on the SAT/ACT acts as a barometer for future cum laude status at HYP which means it is well within your capacity to excel at HYP's curriculum if you possess such benchmarks***
    If I were applying again to college as an Asian applicant; I would be steadfastly realistic and take into consideration how my "spike" potentially differentiates myself from the pool (all racial groups should do this regardless btw). If my interest is traditionally associated with "asian-ness", let's say, Math, I would deliberately but authentically serve to establish intersectionality with something as disparate and unconventional as possible, let's say ethnic European dance.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Hi Christian,
      Thank you for this detailed response. I think what you mentioned - that discrimination isn’t inherently bad - is super interesting, true, yet not recognized widely by society. Inherently by picking and choosing, we are performing the act of discrimination. Too often, we pick and choose for the purpose to disadvantage one in the process and give unfair advantage to the other (slavery, etc).
      I don’t think this is always the case, however, and in the example of college admissions, I believe the turned down applicants are still going to make meaningful contributions with their lives, as the school is more a TOOL for success than a METRIC for success. So many other tools are out there ready to be deployed.
      Anyway, I just hope more people can read your message and my follow up thoughts on yours - if you want to stay connected/chat more, feel free to IG DM me at iriss.fu. Stay safe xx

    • @saarthshah
      @saarthshah 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man I am in the 99th Percentile (1470) will I clear the threshold?

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Heross oooof tough call. I’ve heard it’s like 1500 - but that’s all unverified

    • @abdullahjaber4321
      @abdullahjaber4321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I almost had a stroke reading your explanation... but I think I get the point, good job. I agree.

    • @aidasall4815
      @aidasall4815 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Heross - Yes! The 25th percentile for Harvard is a 1460, so you are all good!

  • @lolapiric1710
    @lolapiric1710 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Hey, I love your channel. Quick question, do ivy leagues dislike pity. For example, if you include someone in your family having cancer in your recommendation or something like that, do they dislike you for trying to get pity? Thanks.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Yeah they probably will if you overtly include that for no reason. The “so what” is the reason you should be including information like that - what did you get out the experience, what values did you develop, how did you impact your community as a result of what happened to you?

    • @lolapiric1710
      @lolapiric1710 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Iris Fu Thanks so much, I didn’t really want to include it to try and get pity but I see the concept thank you.

  • @lexieben-meir4761
    @lexieben-meir4761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    hi iris! thank you for another amazing video. super informative. i have a question relating to your own application process... i am interested in applying to yale and duke (which i know, based on your videos, you were denied admission and placed on the waitlist respectively) and i was wondering if you could shed some light on why YOU thought the results turned out the way they did... do you think it was what these respective institutions were looking for this year or perhaps your application, etc.? your stanford application was inspiring by the way!! quite obviously you are a STELLAR student and person so i guess i just wanted to see what your take on the results were. if you believe it was your application for whatever reason (like you spent less time on it, etc), maybe it would be helpful to provide a comparison between your stanford and yale apps? i totally understand if you do not have an answer and realize this is personal! thank you again for your content :)

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sooo many factors are out of the applicant’s control. For Yale, someone else with legacy at my school got in. Schools try to diversify their geographic representation, so they’ll take at most one person from a small high school like mine. As for duke, I started the application the day it was due lol so it was probably just a bad application.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      comparing applications sounds like an interesting video idea - I’ll definitely consider. Good luck with your applications!! You got this 💪💪

  • @peacehope8972
    @peacehope8972 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow this is weird to be the first one to comment ever. love ur videos! ☺️

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha thanks for commenting and stay tuned for more :)

  • @nickjones8899
    @nickjones8899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A rubric isn’t truly that objective, as long as there is a person determining admissions, a student will be subjectively rated and assessed. A rubric just turns a subjective description into a numerical value. I’d say the students that are the most left behind by this process are the ones who are already aware of reality and most affected by it, these students already know that they are not sought after or desired in these institutions so to ascribe admissions to these student’s reality check just comes off as ill-informed. Additionally, agreeing with this system simply because it embodies a similarly flawed society doesn’t mean we should keep it. You don’t need to agree with the system just because you can’t think of anything better.

    • @ellax325
      @ellax325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      She didn't say it makes it objective. She say it makes it more objective in terms of aligning the potential students with Harvard's values. It's impossible to create an objective system. At the very least Harvard attempts to use a holistic system with its applicants as opposed to a method such as a single test.

  • @stanzavik
    @stanzavik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm in love

  • @royalflutes
    @royalflutes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello, I was wondering if someone applied without sat scores but has a 4.0 gpa great course rigor, what academic rating do you think the applicant would receive? Or would they not receive one? Thanks.

  • @streamzxx
    @streamzxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you please share where you found the released court documents explaining Harvard admission process?

  • @anastasiyadenisenko8782
    @anastasiyadenisenko8782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey, I love your videos and your channel. I wanted to ask a quick questions about passion projects, I am creating a pen pal program between high school students and senior citizens, would that be counted as a passion project? Thanks so much.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anastasiya Denysenko yes it would, since you’re leading the project and creating something new. Also uploading a video on my video pal program this Wednesday so keep an eye out for that 👀 hopefully it could bring some relevant insight to what you’re doing. Good luck!! 👍

    • @anastasiyadenisenko8782
      @anastasiyadenisenko8782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@irisfu6929 Thank you so much!! Can't wait.

  • @snikithasurishetty6876
    @snikithasurishetty6876 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi thank you so much for your video! They are super helpful! Quick question: what do you need to get on the SAT to get a 2?

    • @kapjoteh
      @kapjoteh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1520

  • @anonymousperson4784
    @anonymousperson4784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey as a student who did everything they could academically and extracurricular wise in being able to get accepted into Stanford and I feel my application went hard in the beginning but I am the worst at storytelling ever since I was younger I sucked at grammar and writing PERIODT so my application flopped after the common app personal essay my theme was incoherant at the time I thought it was fine but now looking back I definitely recognize my errors what would you recommend I do as I plan to apply as a transfer after a year or two of attending NYU

  • @matthewwong1384
    @matthewwong1384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks a lot for the video, one question though, for college applications do the letter of recommendations have to come from high school teachers, or can they be other teachers, for example, my 8th grade teacher? Thanks for answering if you do!

    • @bpxl53yewz29
      @bpxl53yewz29 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Colleges will usually say right on their website that the recs should be from 11th or 12th gr teachers.

  • @arminislam6805
    @arminislam6805 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the personal category is to look through the applicant like what he/she is as an human - it seems more like a psychological game to me and ig the person reviewing the applications has to be really sharp to understand who is lying and who is being true about him/herself

  • @Zeenia
    @Zeenia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Do you think music awards and recognition (national & international) count in the extracurricular category or academic category? For example, do you think your solo in Carnegie Hall would be something that could distinguish you in the academic category? I'm trying to figure out what would count towards each category because some things aren't clearly on one side such as music, business, public speaking, etc.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don’t think music and stuff is really academic, unless you do academic work on music (eg research on a musical era or something). I think the creative factor to academics means original scholarship

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Basically, think of academic as academia-everything that has to do with advancing human knowledge

    • @Zeenia
      @Zeenia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Okay that makes a lot of sense, thank you! Also about the extracurricular rating, the description involving the evident display of "unusual strength in one or more areas" seems quite focused on using competitions and other award-based activities to showcase the strengths. Do you think what you call "passion projects" such as starting an internationally-impacting nonprofit or creating a successful app have an upper hand at getting the 1 rating? They're a much larger time and effort commitment but are they larger contributors to the application?

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In this case, you can show accomplishment through numbers of people impacted and scope (numbers of countries involved).

  • @hasninemamud3222
    @hasninemamud3222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    plz make a vedio with common app.it's will be helpful for international.

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about the common app? I did one sharing common app responses from Stanford students, but let me know if there’s other stuff you want me to cover!

  • @Comrade_Zaz
    @Comrade_Zaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Admission being Unfair doesn't mean they can to be unfair because "life is unfair"
    Just look at countries like Germany where they have a far more fair system

  • @bombdottcom111
    @bombdottcom111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks girl! (;

  • @celaine_
    @celaine_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hi iris! I was wondering if coding an app would qualify as an academic achievement or an extracurricular. Also, can achievements from athletics be double dipped in the extracurriculares category?

  • @amandine8954
    @amandine8954 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hii thanks for this video! If we have B’ grades but a 1500/1600 on the SAT, could we be accepted?

  • @belindalopez6398
    @belindalopez6398 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ok so I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM with the letters of recommendation part. the thing is that my high school organize classes differently because first they are divided in semesters and not like in actuals years. and my school is humongous last semester I was in group 507 sooo yeah, big school. So equivalently there are a lot of professors, and the interesting part is that you most likely won't get the same professor ever again so you would only have that professor for one semester and that is it; because mostly the ones that do 1st semester are not assigned to teach 6th semester. And is the same story with councilors. So idk how I'm going to do the part of letters of recommendations and I'm not freaking out because I still have time but yeah how am I going to do it? I don't have the slightest idea.

  • @jenn4593
    @jenn4593 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think she meant >3 instead of .

  • @sophiamurphy6986
    @sophiamurphy6986 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi! Was just wondering what going test optional will do to my academic rating. Will it be harmed? I have a 4.23 gpa unweighted (mostly A+’s and a few normal As) but my sat is only a 1400:( what should I do?

  • @khadifaha.q.3185
    @khadifaha.q.3185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi! I lovee your channel I'm glad TH-cam recommend me your channel. I have a question, I study in small public school hence, they doesn't offer AP classes and lack of extracurriculars (less than 10 extracurriculars). I'm planning to make an English club and take an AP classes. I have an above average grades but not highest in my first year HS (In US system I would be in sophomore year) would I still have a goodshot? Thank you in advance! 🤗

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Welcome to the channel! I think you def have a good shot. I came from a similar school background. I’d recommend self studying or basically going beyond what your environment offers to show initiative

    • @khadifaha.q.3185
      @khadifaha.q.3185 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@irisfu6929 thank you so much for the advice! Will do 😄

  • @thucanhvu1770
    @thucanhvu1770 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what if I don't submit my test scores for the Fall 2021 admissions ? How will they rate my academia?

  • @James-gn6ig
    @James-gn6ig 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, does doing a research considered an extracurricular even though you said that it is in academics?

  • @melisaylmaz2992
    @melisaylmaz2992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have a question for you all. She made a great point about the selection systems unfairness but according to harvards website students who not able to take tests (sat, act)are not disadvange if they can explein their reasons(such as money problems, health issues). As an international student(if i can come US) and a person with economical problems should I or people like me who have been reading this comment risk our application by submitting it without SAT(of course with english test)?

    • @bpxl53yewz29
      @bpxl53yewz29 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, it's different for international. Without the SAT chances will be low for international.

    • @chrislieu6757
      @chrislieu6757 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bpxl53yewz29 Without SATs chances are low for everyone. The admission rates for applicants without SATs is very very very low.

  • @No-cs8wi
    @No-cs8wi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    for the academics part, you said for getting a one you have to be super creative but how would you even do that for humanities? like writing a book?

    • @divyanshasen2034
      @divyanshasen2034 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can do anything with humanities
      Make creative projects, do some different courses, drawings, a blog website etc...

  • @carolinexoxo1403
    @carolinexoxo1403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi! I was wondering if u had any resources on research competitions for humanities/ social sciences?

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey Caroline! Unfortunately I don’t and can only refer you to google :/ I did try googling some stuff (telluride summer program is super prestigious) but didn’t end up doing anything research related in that realm

  • @pennyj4267
    @pennyj4267 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOW do you have enough time to double major in 2 tough subjects at Stanford? Is it doable? That's impressive.

  • @kendallcarll6045
    @kendallcarll6045 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you know how AP scored factor into the academic rating?

  • @autumns908
    @autumns908 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    harvard is my dream school, im half white and half asian so idk if my racial demographic would help me or harm me smh

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ultimately, you can't change your race, so I'd focus on becoming and presenting the best version of yourself! cheesy lmao but hope this helps in some way!! good luck and i'm rooting for you

    • @ericlee650
      @ericlee650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Unfortunately these colleges are all racist, but it may be better to say you are white than asian, because they hate asians more

    • @skinach
      @skinach 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@ericlee650 I believe there's an option on the CommonApp to put down your race as "mixed" or "other." Also, I think it's a bit too harsh to say that they "hate" Asians, but I definitely do think that they mostly have higher expectations for Asian achievements, as well as lower expectations for the amount of "diversity" that Asians can add to their incoming class.

    • @ericlee650
      @ericlee650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@skinach they hate us. If they didnt they wouldnt be openly racist🤷‍♂️

    • @yahirbrito7811
      @yahirbrito7811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericlee650 they don’t hate Asians a lot are just competitive. There are a lot of white people in Harvard if they wanted to divide diversity equally they could give some seats to other minorities

  • @menelikkkk
    @menelikkkk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m sorry but I agree with everything you said but the end where you said the system should be kept, for one minority groups like mine are simply at a disadvantage where we grow up and what we experience can change so much, there is no way they should be spending 15 minutes on our application when getting into a university like this can change your whole life. It’s unacceptable things must change

    • @ellax325
      @ellax325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you propose Harvard choose its applicants then?

  • @Jayyk09
    @Jayyk09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I can get a research opportunity in Renewable Energy +for that I would have some knowledge which I can gain by MOOC) but I want to major in CS?
    If I do that, will it help me getting in Universities?

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It could definitely! But only do it if you're truly interested in the internship opportunity. After all, I think how you write about your experiences matter more than what your experiences are

    • @Jayyk09
      @Jayyk09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@irisfu6929 yes I'm..I've started the MOOC on how to write research paper n renewable energy. Thanks for advice 😊

  • @bidmcms3
    @bidmcms3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Athletics can be everything. If you are rated 1 (best) in every category but a 6 in athletics, that changes your average score from 1 to 1.8 (an 80% difference!)

  • @mpat100
    @mpat100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    does athletics cover one of the extracurricular areas?

  • @hongyiwu6644
    @hongyiwu6644 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi Iris, I wonder if Harvard medical school admission use the same 6 category. Any idea if that is true?

  • @edenmichaelhazard4009
    @edenmichaelhazard4009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is a near perfect score +1530?

  • @roseanneqiu57
    @roseanneqiu57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The way to stop the racial discrimination is to stop using race as a benchmark in any decision makings

  • @bardiasafari
    @bardiasafari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For the academic unusual factor, do you need to be doing things that are strictly academic that are unusual? Or can a research project or working with a professor on a project count?

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Research counts as academic!

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@andrewli4484 No it doesn't have to be! It is more impressive it is published in a well-known journal tho

    • @hitshot
      @hitshot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@irisfu6929 can the teacher recommendation letters come from professors that you’ve worked with on advanced research? They have a much better idea of my abilities and accomplishments than any of my high school teachers, and my counsellor doesn’t even respond to emails. (I am an international applicant, and the professors work at one of the highest ranked universities in the world)

    • @kaihavertzlover29
      @kaihavertzlover29 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hitshot how’d it go

  • @Kyle-ke4hk
    @Kyle-ke4hk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what would be considered as national or professional achievement to get 1 extracurricular rate??

  • @codrinradetchi1877
    @codrinradetchi1877 ปีที่แล้ว

    15:18 as the French would say "creme de la creme"

  • @oanochie
    @oanochie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    SO this means if I'm Asian, don't just depend on having perfect SAT and GPA scores, playing a musical instrument, and wanting to be a doctor, to get in. I get what you're saying...break apart from the mold and do something that you are truly passionate about and that would set you apart as a potential leader in a specific field or interest, IN ADDITION to having good stats. Otherwise, you can always go to any other top 20 school, but Harvard isn't for you. Harvard want potential future leaders who will continue to elevate the prestige of their institution and make it stand apart from every other university in the world. That's why Harvard has the largest number of Nobel Laureates in the world.

  • @jameson4548
    @jameson4548 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gurlie how only 1.6K views?????

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jameson Sewell idk 🥺😭 would appreciate if you could share on your socials

  • @edenmichaelhazard4009
    @edenmichaelhazard4009 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If u go test optional what academic rating will u get?

  • @Emmiliification
    @Emmiliification 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Or discover a new planet." 😆 got you, getting my telescope out.

  • @amealeatoire2057
    @amealeatoire2057 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What minors complement with economics major? I have googled but I still want to know from real people with experience or who figured out after going thru the hassle.

  • @yourfriendlysubaruoutback
    @yourfriendlysubaruoutback ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, looks like I'm not getting into any of those schools. My GPA (unweighted) is a 3.98, which isn't bad, but the only extracurriculars I have are sports teams, none of which are winning. I can't start clubs because it's a very small private school. So looks like I'm going nowhere lol

    • @blank15053
      @blank15053 ปีที่แล้ว

      that’s a good gpa! you can get into lots of colleges with that gpa and it’s a plus that you are involved in sports :)

  • @aryanmahto2016
    @aryanmahto2016 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What would they do if i mention domestic violance, medical problems and bullying(reasons for low grades) in my personal statement?. not that i am gonna do but just asking

    • @irisfu6929
      @irisfu6929  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It all depends on how you frame this. Put it in a positive light (e.g. this is what happened but this is how I grew from the experience) could boost your application. Put it in a cyclical and helpless manner and it could hurt your application.