I think Comac's best shot at making this aircraft successful is subsidizing it for clients located in emerging markets. Great video and gorgeous airport! Thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it! I totally agree! I do hope to see them replacing the A220 markets in some places. I see it making a potential growth in Middle East and Africa 🤞
@@4evertrue830 Already more fuel efficient than the Airbus 320neo and Boeing737max thanks to its new aerodynamic design, geopolitical barriers are the biggest challenge for COMAC.
Great video, thank you for sharing your experience with C919 and China Eastern. C919 is a nice aircraft and will have a long road to go before having success in the commercial aviation business.
I like your reporting as you said what you saw and gave your opinion without propaganda nor sneering because it is a China's product. I am glad that you did not put the plane down with comments that like 40-50% of the parts are foreign. Also, there was no comment of the plane being built in "Communist" China nor any other negative comment. Thank you for the excellent report.
I mean none of that has to do with the airplane, a lot of that is personal opinions that people like to push. And sure a lot of the parts are internationally sourced, but so is the 787 🤷♂️. As far as I’m concerned, if it ends up being safe and efficient I don’t really care where it comes from
Hi Patrick, this is one of your master pieces by far. Travelling to and from China at the moment is still a big hassle and super expensive. I really appreciate your willingness to putting in the time and effort to make it happen. It really sets you apart from other travel bloggers. Would you consider adding the "Thank you" button to your channel to give your loyal fans an opportunity to appreciate you in some meaningful way? Cheers and keep up great work!
That's a great judge of technology and overall progress of a country - how good their fried chicken is. I wouldn't eat anything from China; the water and air pollution obviously are going to make it into the food products.
Now TianFu Airport is the larger of the two airports servicing Chengdu. All international flights of ShuangLiu airport (CTU) have now been moved to TianFu, and CTU only handles some domestic flights now, though it is way more convenient as TFU is too far away from downtown
Interesting. I wonder how post Covid will look at those airports. Considering I know that pre-Covid, most airlines from San Francisco at least, were using CTU
@@PatrickSheaAviation Your impression was correct, TFU was put into service very recently so is this change. That SFO-CTU flight you’re talking about was suspended before they completed constructing TFU, if UA reopen this route it would be moved to TFU too, but sadly I think this flight will never reopen
Great video as always! and the hot meal was a surprise! Looks like an interesting product, I wonder if they will get any orders from outside china, the Sukohi jet did operate in Mexico for a bit with Interjet. Thanks for taking us along.
One of my favourite videos of yours as always great coverage. Id like to think the C919 will grow worldwide but I think the 737 and 220 have got such markets covered and I think it would take a major player like Southwest or Ryanair to get involved to spark interest. That said in China and Asia I think it will prosper. A great business class experience. I thought you would have welcomed the remote stand for such an arrival. If I was a gambling man I suspect the C919 barf bags from your seat pair were removed from the aircraft unused.
I do actually believe RyanAir has at least shown interest in the plane, although no orders have been made outside of China yet. I do like the hardstands for being able to be so close to the airplane, but it just makes a tight connection even tighter and there was only one flight from that airport to where I had to go 😬😬
Thanks Patrick for another very good trip report, as usual. The Comac C919 is a nice plane, as far as I can judge, I'm not an expert by all means! It's great that you were able to judge this plane by yourself. Whether the C919 will fly in North America or elsewhere, I think that will depend on the situation in the world in many areas. We won't specify this, we'll see 😉 Thanks again and cheers! 👍🏼
Thanks! I agree, I could see countries that have good relations with China potentially buying some of these. My guess would be that the first places outside of China that we would see this, would be the Middle East and Africa. Mostly because the A220 is already in North America and Europe
everything looks incredible and sparkling clean. the hotel looks 5 stars. I cant wait to travel to china next year and I hope to take the new comac plane while there between cities. I just wish we could reach such standards of east asia airports in Israel one day
Israel specifically is tough just because of the level of security required, which is taken in to account they’re when planning the design of the airport. I feel the same way about America’s airports as well…
You mean if they drop from the sky like the Boeings have. You like to pick on China? Answer this: Which country is $33,000,000,000 in debt. @@wintersbattleofbands1144
I have noted on your vids you take the time to present the take off and landing. Being an AV geek too, I have so many self made videos taking off from the many airports in my travels! Keep up the good work!
Great trip report. Appreciate the professionalism and objectivity. Would be great to fly on the C919, the interior looks great. Will look out for an opportunity to fly that plane some time.
The Sukhoi Superjet was exported to Armenia, Belgium, and Mexico. All returned their planes, as receiving spare parts was undependable. China does more than four times the trade in Africa than the U.S. does. Given those extensive economic ties, I wouldn't be surprised to see the C919 show up there.
I’d agree with that theory. I also think the C919 having gotten parts from around the globe may help with getting replacement parts a bit easier as they aren’t reliant on one country’s procedures for ordering
Very nice domestic product. Great video as well. My only critique is that I would like to see you as well as the plane. I enjoy reviews much more if I see the person giving them. It makes you much more relatable. I enjoy your reviews very much and think you have a real understanding of when things go wrong, you don’t trash the airline. Stuff happens. I’m looking forward to your next review.
Well done Patrick I'm wondering did you use a SkyMiles for this flight in my case Korean Air skypass to replace the correct one China Eastern Shanghai Airlines Eastern Miles
26:43 and 26:47, Me too. I flew to Shanghai Pudong airport many times when I visit and transfer to a international connecting flight. I haven't flew to Shanghai Hongqiao airport and unfortunately, it's not happening because I not flying a domestic flight to China. I only fly international flights to China for visit and transfer, that's it, I am good and okay.
Great video❤, I've booked the same flight on September 19th😄 also the same seat 7A. But some of the informantion about TFU that you mentioned in video is not correct actually. Accoring to statistical data, total passenger flow of first half 2023 is about 19.3m in TFU and 14.9m in CTU, in July 4,260,434 travlers departed from TFU. For public transport service, we can choose Metro line18 or airport shuttle bus to downtwon area cost about $2, it's a 8A type carriage capable for 160km/h(currently running speed is 140km/h). In the rest of this year, Line 19(connects CTU and TFU) and the Tianfu Airport Railway Station for HSR will be open, so passengers can take two metro lines and high speed train in the near future, to reach this airport which is 70km away from city center. The T1 and T2 of TFU you see is just the half part of it with capacity of 48m passenger/year, T3,T4 and other 3 runways will be build in 2027, layout of these four terminals looks like central symmetry. After the shutdown of CTU T1 for reconsturction, all of the international flight are now move to TFU, in CTU T2 are mostly wide body especially A350, it got a nickname of "成卢兹" means Toulouse in Chengdu
It's common in China to have wide body aircrafts for mid-haul domestic hub-to-hub flights, even before covid. China Southern Airlines used to fly Airbus A380 from Beijing to Guangzhou, and that was the only A380 domestic route in the world. China Eastern flies couple of 773er daily between Shanghai and Beijing as well. Air China uses 773er for Beijing and Guangzhou, Beijing to Shanghai and Beijing to Yinchuan routes.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 It's 777-300ER. For Boeing models with palindrome names, it is common to replace the trailing 7 by the leading variant number. For example, 737-800 would be 738.
@@PatrickSheaAviation Btw just checked, Air China's B-2447, a Boeing 747-400, flies daily between Beijing and Shenzhen. I thought it might be something interesting to you if you're still in China. 😅
the way you described that noodle bar tho and that bowl you had! #yumm both airport designs and ya im comin atcha for 90F! #imperialmurcan ha! so wait-- no IFE in biz class(?) 9/10 for me on the C919 cabin design is nice but was the no IFE thing just for that plane? btw the site of carbon copy hi-rises (view on descent) always somehow wigs me out (feels dystopian) lol and being 'sandwiched'' by KFC on this trip as you literally sauntered your way above luggage land musta felt great
Most of the new built airports has a problem which they are too far away from the city, although there are often trains or subways that can take you to the city but that’s still inconvenient for passengers who has a lot luggage. I personally prefer to use DiDi Lux which is operated with better cars(Mercedes Benz for example)than normal didi ride and it’s a lot comfortable than taxis. However the last time I went to Tianfu airport, although the didi lux is operating in Chengdu, but there are no drivers can answer my reservation because they don’t want to come to the Tianfu Airport. It takes more than 1.5 hours for me to get to the hotel the Waldorf Astoria while it’s only 30min away from Shuangliu Airport
I have noticed that. In many cases it’s because the original airports were built with close proximity to the city to help the passengers, but a lot of places had issues with air traffic procedures due to the city, or sometimes even just weather or terrain issues because they squeezed the airport in somewhere. So when building new airports, to alleviate delays or air traffic flow issues, they chose more strategic locations. Not sure if that is the reason in Chengdu, but we are seeing that around the industry
Fun fact, China eastern was gonna put all chinese brand plane into their subsiderary airline called 123airline(yes that is the name one two three airline), the ARJ21 was already painted and operated under the 123 brand, but this C919 was eventually painted and operated under the china eastern brand. Not sure why they made the swtich.
2 and a half weeks ago, Sichuan airlines return and resume it's flight from Chengdu Tianfu to Los Angeles. Are you gonna fly Sichuan airlines, departing at terminal 2 at Chengdu Tianfu to Los Angeles?
TFU is much larger than CTU. TFU handled 33m passengers from Jan to Sept in 2023, while CTU handled 23m. TFU handles all international passenger flights. CTU only handles domestic business passenger flights or the so called “premium routes”with more wide body aircraft and international cargo.
Only China based airline - China Eastern, China Southern & Air China have ordered 300 C919 aircraft. I think China wants to make sure the aircraft is fully reliable & successful domestically before starting overseas order. One thing for sure the C919 would give airline more option than the legacy A320 & B737.
Totally. I'm sure that we will see it in some other Asian countries that work closely with China, as well as sanctioned countries like Iran and Russia who struggle to get new aircarft and parts these days
Thank you for your great video about COMAC C919 ‘s traveling experience, we do hope every traveler around the world will know and love this beautiful plane through your video and get chance to fly by C919😘
@@PatrickSheaAviation The largest market is in China, and the success of the domestic market is the greatest success! In the international market, if there is sales, it is of course OK. If there is no sales, it is not important, and it will have no effect on the success of C919.
Thanks for sharing your experience objectively. As a Chinese, I love to see the growing of domestic aerial industry, but I really hate how Chinese people tolerate those unregulated smoking. So many people smoke where there are "no smoking" signs.
I think you did a great job on the video! I’ve been curious on the C919 but its checked and stolen past makes me leery. However, as an AvGeek like you, I totally get it. Well done tho, I enjoyed it.
many american youtubers claim chinese airlines use wide-body planes to fly domestic short-haul flight because of covid. Thats not true. Chinese airlines fly wide-body planes domesticaly a lot even before covid. 90% population are located only on east side of China, so most flights' air time is below 3 hours even 2 hours. Also, major cities's airspaces and airports are too crowded and cannot add more flights into schedules. China's airlines only operates few regional jets like CRJs and ERJs in the west side of the country because they cannot compete with high-speed rail most of the country(4 hr train is way more comfortable than 1.5 hr airtime + 30 mins plane taxing + 1.5 hour ground transportation to/from airports). 738/320 probably the smallest plane many chinese airlines have in their base airports, and Chinese passagers call them small planes.
China Eastern airlines Comac C919 is a nice, good and cool looking plane. Yes it's gonna be successful if they deliver 5 or more Comac C919 later this year. Hope you like it and enjoy flying the inaugural Comac C919 on China Eastern airlines. I would like to fly the Comac C919, but unfortunately, I am not flying a domestic flight into China because I only fly international flights for visit and connecting flight.
The C919 was wonderful. However just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s safe, take the A350s and 787s for example. I hope you get the chance to fly on it, maybe if it starts selling outside of China
The domestic terminal at SHA is AMAZING. Comparable to intl standards. But the pre-2016 intl terminal was a joke. Out of a third world country. In 2017 it was improved but just now small but looks sleek and modern.
I would guess we see it continue to grow since China makes it difficult to grow in their airports since they limit the amount of airlines flying between two airports. So if they want an extra flight per day from Shanghai to San Francisco on another airline, for example, SHA may be their best bet
@@PatrickSheaAviation MU has routes between Hong Kong, Macau, Tokyo Haneda, Taipei Songshan, Seoul Gimpo from SHA, and MU also has the same routes from Pudong, albeit Pudong also services NRT, and TSA and GMP are replaced by TPE and ICN respectively.
Looking atflight data, I would say TFU is the new main airport and the old one got downgraded to a small domestic airport. Small in China relative term
I’ll guess asian pacific countries will be the first to fly it outside China. comac needs to set up parts and support networks to keep it flying, which will be easier to start off with in places close to China.
The concern I have about the C919 is maintenance and safety. For all we know, Comac could have cut corners and could be putting out an inferior aircraft. I guess we have a few years to wait and see if the C919 is as safe as anything put out by Airbus, Embraer or Boeing.
That’s all true. I think in the first five years, you learn a lot about new aircraft. I mean just look at the A350’s and the 787’s, both had crazy maintenance issues that had to be ironed out. Not to even mention the 737 max! Doesn’t mean that those issues can’t be fixed to make a great airplane in the end, as with those mentioned
@@PatrickSheaAviation I just worry about the C919 being filled with shoddy parts and the inferior components and poor workmanship don't become apparent until after people die. I worry the C919 will resemble the SSJ more than the A320 in terms of performance and reliability.
If you are so worried about Chinese products, and thinks they cut corners. Then don't wait for a while, just make sure you don't use anything MIC, including everything used in daily life, since they always cut corners according to you. Mind you, almost everything in this world has MIC components.
Really? No way. KFC is more delicious than Popeyes because the flavor of fried chicken is so delicious and it's the best, compare to the US. In Malaysia, KFC's fried chicken is so good and delicious and it's number 1 the best.
The C919 unfortunately probably won't be certified in Europe or north America. It will go to ASEAN countries and global South 1st. like most Chinese 1st generation products mobile phone, ev, and consumer electronics once Comac has worked out customer services and aftercare maybe the next generation might come to the west
@@sleo3720 it’s more common for airlines to get new or used airplanes from the more common manufacturers. Not a lot of airlines want to play guinea pig for a new aircraft. Since it was made in China, however, it’s more likely that those airlines use the aircraft. If it performs well, then we may see it other places. But probably still in Middle East and Africa as Europe and North America have a good use of the A220 which is a fairly good comparison between aircraft
We get crap stateside because we are paying pilots as though they are surgeons, when all they do is drive a flying bus. Its not like safety only exists in USA, airlines like CX, SQ, NH all operates with a profit and better safety records than UA, AA, and DL yet they still can provide service unimaginable in America.
We pay pilots as we do because they have to go through and extensive amount of costly training. There are a lot of steps and certifications that have to be gotten before they can get in the airplane. And once they are on there, they are responsible for a lot of stuff. The captain alone is final authority on everything. Things like unruly passengers, medical issues, aircraft malfunctions, etc. There’s a ton more that goes in to it than is visible to the public. It’s a lot more than “a flying bus”. THAT is why they make the money they do. And foreign carriers pay around the same anyway, so that is a worldwide standard
Last month, I had an opportunity to fly on China Eastern Airlines Comac 919 but unfortunately, my flight was canceled because the ground crew could not find enough wood in the forest nearby to start the engines.
Let's compare Chinese "superior" development cycle: Boeing 747 from conception (1966) to first flight in 3 years (1969), in service 1 year later (1970) with 96 aircraft delivered by the end of 1970. First example still airworthy. Less than 5 years, from drawing board to nearly 100 gigantic aircraft delivered and in service. Comac C919 project inception 2008, first flight 2017 (9 years), first delivery (one of the prototypes) in service 2023 (7 years after first flight). Engines and avionics systems imported. 15 years to get one A220 sized aircraft into service. Tell me again how, 50 years later, the C919 shows Chinese superiority. Really, I'd like to know.
It shows neither Chinese superiority nor inferiority, but Chinese being human beings. Boeing starts building aircrafts since 1916, and was involved in heavy metal frame aircraft designs before Boeing 747 such as B-17, B-29, B-51, Boeing Dash 80 which eventually evolved into Boeing 707. The knowhows for each aircraft, including the wing and fuselage design, the airfoil and aerodynamic data, the trimming conditions, the dynamical behaviours, are carried along to each following aircrafts. However Comac 919 is Comac's very second aircraft, and it is the first airplane of its class that Comac designs. Aircraft design and manufacturing is a cross subject industry, where the flight dynamics, control systems, structural designs, materials, aerodynamics, are the big topics that take a very long time to study, and the knowledge of which takes a long time to accumulate. If Boeing are stripped away of all these empirical experiences, it takes decades to build a modern aircraft as well. Just look at how NASA is struggling with project Artemis, with decades not designing a new rocket and ship, it loses the knowhow of building a flying rocket. What's important is inside of engineers' brains, not in the book stacks.
It’s not a prototype, it was a newly manufactured airplane. And it’s absolutely much larger than the A220s, with the same capacity as B737 and A320. So in conclusion: STFU
This is not an issue of superiority or inferiority; just extra requirements and precautions to ensure all systems and software are operationally validated and verified as robust during trials under different weather and load conditions. Safety and functionality must be proven before being issued with type and production certificates
The safety certification process for a new aircraft today takes far longer than it did in 1970. Today's airlines have more stringent requirements for their passenger aircraft. They will give up on you without hesitation as long as you waste more gas. If it were so easy to build an airplane, there wouldn’t be just a few airplane manufacturing companies now.
It is made with western tech and avionics. Even so its maiden passenger flight was a disaster. It flew to its destination and broke down . Yeah this is crap
No chinese made aircraft will ever be purchased (or registered) in the EU or USA. Brush up on your geopolitics. Was this a freebie from China Eastern? If so please let us know in advance.
lol alright bro… Except that that isn’t necessarily the case. We don’t know who will buy these planes, but Ryanair has shown interest. Especially with parts coming from around the world
Over 50% of Comac C919 components are made by western companies, CFM Leap engines, Liebherr-Aerospace Landing gear and Honeywell APU, Flight Management systems. The largest market for aircraft is in China and is growing every year as more of the population becomes more wealthier so China could ban Boeing or Airbus if the Comac is fully sanctioned.
Hate to tell you that vlogging in nature involves lots of talking….. considering it started from “blogging” which was legit all words… not sure what you’re here for
And this is a problem how? You mean Boeing or airbus build every thing that goes in to their planes? Do they also make turbo fan engines too? Fact is, building a airliner is hard. See what happened to Mitsubishi SpaceJet for example. After 20 years of development, it was cancelled. Don’t tell me the Japanese are not good at building things right?
Their engineers have actually come up with some great stuff. I also think of it a lot like the 787 whereas they source parts from around the globe, but assemble it all together in China
Many people are afraid to take a flight on such an unverified aircraft. You are a hero taking this risk to give us the review.
Honestly I was just excited to try it out after doing so much research on it back in college
I think Comac's best shot at making this aircraft successful is subsidizing it for clients located in emerging markets. Great video and gorgeous airport! Thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it! I totally agree! I do hope to see them replacing the A220 markets in some places. I see it making a potential growth in Middle East and Africa 🤞
Subsidising no, making it more fuel efficient and better than the competitions, yes.
@@PatrickSheaAviation COMAC has just delivered the second one to Eastern.
@@robbrand922Now the 3rd one has entered service, and China Eastern has just ordered another 100 of them, which will be delivered before 2030.
@@4evertrue830 Already more fuel efficient than the Airbus 320neo and Boeing737max thanks to its new aerodynamic design, geopolitical barriers are the biggest challenge for COMAC.
Great video, thank you for sharing your experience with C919 and China Eastern. C919 is a nice aircraft and will have a long road to go before having success in the commercial aviation business.
Agreed! I see their best bet being the Middle East and African aviation markets, but time will tell
Western and UXA monopoly is a threat to value for money flights
I like your reporting as you said what you saw and gave your opinion without propaganda nor sneering because it is a China's product. I am glad that you did not put the plane down with comments that like 40-50% of the parts are foreign. Also, there was no comment of the plane being built in "Communist" China nor any other negative comment. Thank you for the excellent report.
I mean none of that has to do with the airplane, a lot of that is personal opinions that people like to push. And sure a lot of the parts are internationally sourced, but so is the 787 🤷♂️. As far as I’m concerned, if it ends up being safe and efficient I don’t really care where it comes from
A good informational and entertaining video about c919 and China Eastern .Keep up the good work !
Thank you!!
Hi Patrick, this is one of your master pieces by far. Travelling to and from China at the moment is still a big hassle and super expensive. I really appreciate your willingness to putting in the time and effort to make it happen. It really sets you apart from other travel bloggers. Would you consider adding the "Thank you" button to your channel to give your loyal fans an opportunity to appreciate you in some meaningful way? Cheers and keep up great work!
That’s a good suggestion. Thank you! I’m glad you liked the content!
I took the same route in mid June and found it so impressive. Btw the kfc in china is 10000 times better than US lol
KFC is way better in other places! I’m partial to Popeyes in the US though 😉
That's a great judge of technology and overall progress of a country - how good their fried chicken is. I wouldn't eat anything from China; the water and air pollution obviously are going to make it into the food products.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 Eww! Sounds like wherever you are from the pollution already contaminated your brains
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 你吃不吃中国的美食，中国人并不关心， 你算哪根葱？
Chinese people don't care whether you eat Chinese food or not, what kind of onion are you?
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 who judges tech from chicken? you?
Now TianFu Airport is the larger of the two airports servicing Chengdu. All international flights of ShuangLiu airport (CTU) have now been moved to TianFu, and CTU only handles some domestic flights now, though it is way more convenient as TFU is too far away from downtown
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Interesting. I wonder how post Covid will look at those airports. Considering I know that pre-Covid, most airlines from San Francisco at least, were using CTU
@@PatrickSheaAviation Your impression was correct, TFU was put into service very recently so is this change. That SFO-CTU flight you’re talking about was suspended before they completed constructing TFU, if UA reopen this route it would be moved to TFU too, but sadly I think this flight will never reopen
Thanks for sharing this video of this C919, I’m actually impressed, they did a great job for the whole aircraft, I can’t wait!
One of the best ever. I can always rely on your videos for an enjoyable time. Thanks!
Thanks a ton!!
Looks like a pleasant journey
That 'please take me home' slipper was definitely a Chinese SPYING SLIPPER!!
Great video as always! and the hot meal was a surprise! Looks like an interesting product, I wonder if they will get any orders from outside china, the Sukohi jet did operate in Mexico for a bit with Interjet. Thanks for taking us along.
Glad you liked it. I’m very curious if it will be successful around the world as an alternative to the A220s
The meal looks good, but with all the air and water pollution in China, you have to wonder how much contamination makes it into the food.
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 Paranoia is a disease.
That's stereotype😢
One of my favourite videos of yours as always great coverage. Id like to think the C919 will grow worldwide but I think the 737 and 220 have got such markets covered and I think it would take a major player like Southwest or Ryanair to get involved to spark interest. That said in China and Asia I think it will prosper. A great business class experience. I thought you would have welcomed the remote stand for such an arrival. If I was a gambling man I suspect the C919 barf bags from your seat pair were removed from the aircraft unused.
I do actually believe RyanAir has at least shown interest in the plane, although no orders have been made outside of China yet. I do like the hardstands for being able to be so close to the airplane, but it just makes a tight connection even tighter and there was only one flight from that airport to where I had to go 😬😬
Thanks Patrick for another very good trip report, as usual.
The Comac C919 is a nice plane, as far as I can judge, I'm not an expert by all means!
It's great that you were able to judge this plane by yourself.
Whether the C919 will fly in North America or elsewhere, I think that will depend on the situation in the world in many areas. We won't specify this, we'll see 😉
Thanks again and cheers! 👍🏼
Thanks! I agree, I could see countries that have good relations with China potentially buying some of these. My guess would be that the first places outside of China that we would see this, would be the Middle East and Africa. Mostly because the A220 is already in North America and Europe
Hello and good morning to you my friend
Looking beautiful and great video again
I am here catching up on the replay 😊❤
everything looks incredible and sparkling clean. the hotel looks 5 stars. I cant wait to travel to china next year and I hope to take the new comac plane while there between cities. I just wish we could reach such standards of east asia airports in Israel one day
Israel specifically is tough just because of the level of security required, which is taken in to account they’re when planning the design of the airport. I feel the same way about America’s airports as well…
I do like the sand-colored interior details. They'll look nice in the wreckage.
You mean if they drop from the sky like the Boeings have. You like to pick on China? Answer this: Which country is $33,000,000,000 in debt. @@wintersbattleofbands1144
I have noted on your vids you take the time to present the take off and landing. Being an AV geek too, I have so many self made videos taking off from the many airports in my travels! Keep up the good work!
That’s awesome! I’d love to check out those videos. Thanks!
Great trip report. Appreciate the professionalism and objectivity.
Would be great to fly on the C919, the interior looks great. Will look out for an opportunity to fly that plane some time.
Thanks man. I hope you get to try it out!
I use F. Fight me. 😂😂😂
Another great video. Love the airport section as well. Thanks!
Ah yes… you know us Americans 🤷♂️
Thank you!!
Amazing at every single level !
Thank you!
The Sukhoi Superjet was exported to Armenia, Belgium, and Mexico. All returned their planes, as receiving spare parts was undependable.
China does more than four times the trade in Africa than the U.S. does. Given those extensive economic ties, I wouldn't be surprised to see the C919 show up there.
I’d agree with that theory. I also think the C919 having gotten parts from around the globe may help with getting replacement parts a bit easier as they aren’t reliant on one country’s procedures for ordering
@@PatrickSheaAviation They'll have trouble getting them built, though. No planes in service, no need for spare parts.
Very nice domestic product. Great video as well. My only critique is that I would like to see you as well as the plane. I enjoy reviews much more if I see the person giving them. It makes you much more relatable. I enjoy your reviews very much and think you have a real understanding of when things go wrong, you don’t trash the airline. Stuff happens. I’m looking forward to your next review.
Thanks a bunch! And good note 👍
+1 from me. :)
with the huge population in southeast asia and if the planes are sturdy then southeast asia is a very big market for COMAC919
Asia, Middle East, and Africa are the best chances for C919 growth. For now we sit back and wait to see if they can actually grow
the airport looks awesome as well.
It totally was!
Well done Patrick I'm wondering did you use a SkyMiles for this flight in my case Korean Air skypass to replace the correct one China Eastern Shanghai Airlines Eastern Miles
No miles on this flight. It wasn’t all that much money to be fair though.
thank you! quite impressive those two airports
Agreed!
Good video. Cool connection to your days at Purdue... hadn't realized you were a Boilermaker. I am an alum from 1992.
Awesome! Boiler Up!
26:43 and 26:47, Me too. I flew to Shanghai Pudong airport many times when I visit and transfer to a international connecting flight. I haven't flew to Shanghai Hongqiao airport and unfortunately, it's not happening because I not flying a domestic flight to China. I only fly international flights to China for visit and transfer, that's it, I am good and okay.
You boarded via air bridge right? A.k.a. jet bridge. I hope someday I fly one of those Comac C919s.
Great video❤, I've booked the same flight on September 19th😄 also the same seat 7A. But some of the informantion about TFU that you mentioned in video is not correct actually. Accoring to statistical data, total passenger flow of first half 2023 is about 19.3m in TFU and 14.9m in CTU, in July 4,260,434 travlers departed from TFU.
For public transport service, we can choose Metro line18 or airport shuttle bus to downtwon area cost about $2, it's a 8A type carriage capable for 160km/h(currently running speed is 140km/h). In the rest of this year, Line 19(connects CTU and TFU) and the Tianfu Airport Railway Station for HSR will be open, so passengers can take two metro lines and high speed train in the near future, to reach this airport which is 70km away from city center. The T1 and T2 of TFU you see is just the half part of it with capacity of 48m passenger/year, T3,T4 and other 3 runways will be build in 2027, layout of these four terminals looks like central symmetry.
After the shutdown of CTU T1 for reconsturction, all of the international flight are now move to TFU, in CTU T2 are mostly wide body especially A350, it got a nickname of "成卢兹" means Toulouse in Chengdu
Great info! Thanks! Enjoy your flight!
Really interesting TR and particularly well narrated.
Thank you!
It's common in China to have wide body aircrafts for mid-haul domestic hub-to-hub flights, even before covid. China Southern Airlines used to fly Airbus A380 from Beijing to Guangzhou, and that was the only A380 domestic route in the world. China Eastern flies couple of 773er daily between Shanghai and Beijing as well. Air China uses 773er for Beijing and Guangzhou, Beijing to Shanghai and Beijing to Yinchuan routes.
Good info!
What's a 773er? Do you mean 737 ER?
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 it’d be a 777-300er
@@wintersbattleofbands1144 It's 777-300ER. For Boeing models with palindrome names, it is common to replace the trailing 7 by the leading variant number. For example, 737-800 would be 738.
@@PatrickSheaAviation Btw just checked, Air China's B-2447, a Boeing 747-400, flies daily between Beijing and Shenzhen. I thought it might be something interesting to you if you're still in China. 😅
Great video, just subscribed! 👏👏👏
Thank you!
the way you described that noodle bar tho and that bowl you had! #yumm both airport designs and ya im comin atcha for 90F! #imperialmurcan ha! so wait-- no IFE in biz class(?) 9/10 for me on the C919 cabin design is nice but was the no IFE thing just for that plane? btw the site of carbon copy hi-rises (view on descent) always somehow wigs me out (feels dystopian) lol and being 'sandwiched'' by KFC on this trip as you literally sauntered your way above luggage land musta felt great
Most of the new built airports has a problem which they are too far away from the city, although there are often trains or subways that can take you to the city but that’s still inconvenient for passengers who has a lot luggage. I personally prefer to use DiDi Lux which is operated with better cars(Mercedes Benz for example)than normal didi ride and it’s a lot comfortable than taxis. However the last time I went to Tianfu airport, although the didi lux is operating in Chengdu, but there are no drivers can answer my reservation because they don’t want to come to the Tianfu Airport. It takes more than 1.5 hours for me to get to the hotel the Waldorf Astoria while it’s only 30min away from Shuangliu Airport
I have noticed that. In many cases it’s because the original airports were built with close proximity to the city to help the passengers, but a lot of places had issues with air traffic procedures due to the city, or sometimes even just weather or terrain issues because they squeezed the airport in somewhere. So when building new airports, to alleviate delays or air traffic flow issues, they chose more strategic locations. Not sure if that is the reason in Chengdu, but we are seeing that around the industry
Fun fact, China eastern was gonna put all chinese brand plane into their subsiderary airline called 123airline(yes that is the name one two three airline), the ARJ21 was already painted and operated under the 123 brand, but this C919 was eventually painted and operated under the china eastern brand. Not sure why they made the swtich.
Weird… but interesting!
2 and a half weeks ago, Sichuan airlines return and resume it's flight from Chengdu Tianfu to Los Angeles. Are you gonna fly Sichuan airlines, departing at terminal 2 at Chengdu Tianfu to Los Angeles?
I’m trying to get on more Chinese airlines now that they are resuming so many routes
Okay good luck.
Nice ! Good Job👍
Thanks!
I flew China Eastern for several trans-Pacific flights in 2014. The flight attendants were meaner than my basic training drill instructors.
Interesting…. I’ve had nothing but positive experience on the Chinese airlines in the past
COMAC ARJ21 and C919 success would carry on the success of C929! 🙏🇨🇳👍
I hope to see them become successful! It was a great flight!
TFU is much larger than CTU. TFU handled 33m passengers from Jan to Sept in 2023, while CTU handled 23m. TFU handles all international passenger flights. CTU only handles domestic business passenger flights or the so called “premium routes”with more wide body aircraft and international cargo.
HI Patrick, is it possible to put the flight time on your descriptions? Thanks
Sure! Good idea
Hello, fellow Boilder! Great video.
Boiler Up! Thanks!
Only China based airline - China Eastern, China Southern & Air China have ordered 300 C919 aircraft. I think China wants to make sure the aircraft is fully reliable & successful domestically before starting overseas order. One thing for sure the C919 would give airline more option than the legacy A320 & B737.
Totally. I'm sure that we will see it in some other Asian countries that work closely with China, as well as sanctioned countries like Iran and Russia who struggle to get new aircarft and parts these days
As a boilermaker and aviation geek living in Chengdu, thank you for your great video! Maybe let me know next time you visit Chengdu hhh
Boiler up homie! I'll let you know next time I'm there!
Thank you for your great video about COMAC C919 ‘s traveling experience, we do hope every traveler around the world will know and love this beautiful plane through your video and get chance to fly by C919😘
Thanks! It was a great flight!
Good for the air traveler world wide. China’s contribution to Aircraft Technology is one of the best examples the world has seen… 😮😢❤
I’m really interested to see if the Comac can reach influence outside of China for sure
Very cool video. Nice one!
Thank you!
looks like a good plane but time will tell the success of it
Agreed! It will only find success if it can sell outside of China
@@PatrickSheaAviation The largest market is in China, and the success of the domestic market is the greatest success! In the international market, if there is sales, it is of course OK. If there is no sales, it is not important, and it will have no effect on the success of C919.
hongqiao airport t2 is one of the most busy domestic airport.departure from sha you will pay higher price for the ticket than pvg
Thanks for sharing your experience objectively. As a Chinese, I love to see the growing of domestic aerial industry, but I really hate how Chinese people tolerate those unregulated smoking. So many people smoke where there are "no smoking" signs.
Sophomore here at Purdue Proflight! Didn’t know ur a Purdue grad
Hell yea man. Pro flight was my home for years
Wel-come to Chiiina Airlinne, thank you for choooosing the airliiiiiiine
Letting you know you're not funny
@@that_one_villa why not, puss in boots?
Should have individual entertainment console behind each seat
I think you did a great job on the video! I’ve been curious on the C919 but its checked and stolen past makes me leery. However, as an AvGeek like you, I totally get it. Well done tho, I enjoyed it.
Thank you! I know the history of the jet is a bit dodgy, but now that it’s here, you’d be none the wiser if you hadn’t heard about it ahead of time
First ! Enjoy Shanghai :D
Thank you! It was my first time in Shanghai!
many american youtubers claim chinese airlines use wide-body planes to fly domestic short-haul flight because of covid. Thats not true. Chinese airlines fly wide-body planes domesticaly a lot even before covid. 90% population are located only on east side of China, so most flights' air time is below 3 hours even 2 hours. Also, major cities's airspaces and airports are too crowded and cannot add more flights into schedules. China's airlines only operates few regional jets like CRJs and ERJs in the west side of the country because they cannot compete with high-speed rail most of the country(4 hr train is way more comfortable than 1.5 hr airtime + 30 mins plane taxing + 1.5 hour ground transportation to/from airports). 738/320 probably the smallest plane many chinese airlines have in their base airports, and Chinese passagers call them small planes.
The Business seats look like the unmodified Qantas Premium Economy seats.
What airline do you fly for or are you just a private pilot?
How much does it cost to fly C919 business class?
These flights are fairly reasonable at the moment just due to being a shorter domestic flight. It cost be about $350 USD
love it
Thanks!
China Eastern airlines Comac C919 is a nice, good and cool looking plane. Yes it's gonna be successful if they deliver 5 or more Comac C919 later this year. Hope you like it and enjoy flying the inaugural Comac C919 on China Eastern airlines. I would like to fly the Comac C919, but unfortunately, I am not flying a domestic flight into China because I only fly international flights for visit and connecting flight.
The C919 was wonderful. However just because it’s new doesn’t mean it’s safe, take the A350s and 787s for example. I hope you get the chance to fly on it, maybe if it starts selling outside of China
Oh I see. I flew the Airbus A350 and Boeing 787 Dreamliner and it's safe. Well see. Hopefully, we will see and fly Comac C919 in Europe soon.
Safe because it's new? What kind of logic is that? So was the Titanic.
No, I never heard of the Comac C919. It's my 1st time that I heard of the Comic C919. I didn't know they have the Comac C919 before.
If COMAC can offer a C919 variant with the same range as its competitors, they might have something on their hands.
If Boeing’s max’s continue to have problems, I do wonder if we will see a growth in Comac, at least in the eastern world
Well, the one prototype they put in service is already grounded. We'll see how far the project gets in the next 12 months.
1:59 You're wrong, Shangliu is only serving domestic routes
Well it may at the moment, but pre Covid CTU was the main hub for transoceanic flights. Not sure if it’ll return to that status
Tianfu airport is actually much bigger than the old one
The domestic terminal at SHA is AMAZING. Comparable to intl standards. But the pre-2016 intl terminal was a joke. Out of a third world country. In 2017 it was improved but just now small but looks sleek and modern.
I would guess we see it continue to grow since China makes it difficult to grow in their airports since they limit the amount of airlines flying between two airports. So if they want an extra flight per day from Shanghai to San Francisco on another airline, for example, SHA may be their best bet
@@PatrickSheaAviation MU has routes between Hong Kong, Macau, Tokyo Haneda, Taipei Songshan, Seoul Gimpo from SHA, and MU also has the same routes from Pudong, albeit Pudong also services NRT, and TSA and GMP are replaced by TPE and ICN respectively.
Looking atflight data, I would say TFU is the new main airport and the old one got downgraded to a small domestic airport. Small in China relative term
I’m curious if post-Covid growth will keep it that way or not. I know the flights from SFO went to CTU pre-pandemic at least
I’ll guess asian pacific countries will be the first to fly it outside China. comac needs to set up parts and support networks to keep it flying, which will be easier to start off with in places close to China.
More likely middle Asia. That’s why chengdu is the base outside shanghai
I do like the sand-colored interior details. They'll look nice in the wreckage.
nice
27:20, Oh nice they have KFC in Shanghai Hongqiao airport.
18:17: CFM LEAP?
Leap 1c!
Excellent plane... 100stars China
The concern I have about the C919 is maintenance and safety. For all we know, Comac could have cut corners and could be putting out an inferior aircraft. I guess we have a few years to wait and see if the C919 is as safe as anything put out by Airbus, Embraer or Boeing.
Boeing and Airbus have factories in China. The Chinese airlines use either Boeing or Airbus planes.
Lol Boeing and FAA cut corners with the 737 Max
That’s all true. I think in the first five years, you learn a lot about new aircraft. I mean just look at the A350’s and the 787’s, both had crazy maintenance issues that had to be ironed out. Not to even mention the 737 max! Doesn’t mean that those issues can’t be fixed to make a great airplane in the end, as with those mentioned
@@PatrickSheaAviation I just worry about the C919 being filled with shoddy parts and the inferior components and poor workmanship don't become apparent until after people die. I worry the C919 will resemble the SSJ more than the A320 in terms of performance and reliability.
If you are so worried about Chinese products, and thinks they cut corners. Then don't wait for a while, just make sure you don't use anything MIC, including everything used in daily life, since they always cut corners according to you. Mind you, almost everything in this world has MIC components.
21:30 WIFI is definitely a painpoint for Chinese domestic airlines.
8:50, Did you eat KFC in China? KFC is the best because the fried chicken is so good and delicious and it's the best.
Gotta say I think Popeyes is better than KFC 😉
Really? No way. KFC is more delicious than Popeyes because the flavor of fried chicken is so delicious and it's the best, compare to the US. In Malaysia, KFC's fried chicken is so good and delicious and it's number 1 the best.
The C919 unfortunately probably won't be certified in Europe or north America. It will go to ASEAN countries and global South 1st. like most Chinese 1st generation products mobile phone, ev, and consumer electronics once Comac has worked out customer services and aftercare maybe the next generation might come to the west
I do hope to see it be successful. However, I do agree, we will most likely see it in the Middle East or Africa, if it is able to break out of China
What is stopping it from breaking out and why ?
@@sleo3720 it’s more common for airlines to get new or used airplanes from the more common manufacturers. Not a lot of airlines want to play guinea pig for a new aircraft. Since it was made in China, however, it’s more likely that those airlines use the aircraft. If it performs well, then we may see it other places. But probably still in Middle East and Africa as Europe and North America have a good use of the A220 which is a fairly good comparison between aircraft
Tianfu is bigger than Shuangliu
We get crap stateside because we are paying pilots as though they are surgeons, when all they do is drive a flying bus. Its not like safety only exists in USA, airlines like CX, SQ, NH all operates with a profit and better safety records than UA, AA, and DL yet they still can provide service unimaginable in America.
We pay pilots as we do because they have to go through and extensive amount of costly training. There are a lot of steps and certifications that have to be gotten before they can get in the airplane. And once they are on there, they are responsible for a lot of stuff. The captain alone is final authority on everything. Things like unruly passengers, medical issues, aircraft malfunctions, etc. There’s a ton more that goes in to it than is visible to the public. It’s a lot more than “a flying bus”. THAT is why they make the money they do. And foreign carriers pay around the same anyway, so that is a worldwide standard
Last month, I had an opportunity to fly on China Eastern Airlines Comac 919 but unfortunately, my flight was canceled because the ground crew could not find enough wood in the forest nearby to start the engines.
Pls review cathay! Pls tell every Sindhi how shit and overpriced it is!
Cathay is booked for later this year. Premium economy A350-1000…. Stay tuned!!
@@PatrickSheaAviation Can I help u w the video? I'm from HK and I have a lot of expertise ab the airline.
@@thehypetraveler8114 that’d be awesome man. I’ll be there at the end of December for the flight from HKG to SFO
Let's compare Chinese "superior" development cycle:
Boeing 747 from conception (1966) to first flight in 3 years (1969), in service 1 year later (1970) with 96 aircraft delivered by the end of 1970. First example still airworthy. Less than 5 years, from drawing board to nearly 100 gigantic aircraft delivered and in service.
Comac C919 project inception 2008, first flight 2017 (9 years), first delivery (one of the prototypes) in service 2023 (7 years after first flight). Engines and avionics systems imported. 15 years to get one A220 sized aircraft into service.
Tell me again how, 50 years later, the C919 shows Chinese superiority. Really, I'd like to know.
It shows neither Chinese superiority nor inferiority, but Chinese being human beings. Boeing starts building aircrafts since 1916, and was involved in heavy metal frame aircraft designs before Boeing 747 such as B-17, B-29, B-51, Boeing Dash 80 which eventually evolved into Boeing 707. The knowhows for each aircraft, including the wing and fuselage design, the airfoil and aerodynamic data, the trimming conditions, the dynamical behaviours, are carried along to each following aircrafts. However Comac 919 is Comac's very second aircraft, and it is the first airplane of its class that Comac designs. Aircraft design and manufacturing is a cross subject industry, where the flight dynamics, control systems, structural designs, materials, aerodynamics, are the big topics that take a very long time to study, and the knowledge of which takes a long time to accumulate. If Boeing are stripped away of all these empirical experiences, it takes decades to build a modern aircraft as well. Just look at how NASA is struggling with project Artemis, with decades not designing a new rocket and ship, it loses the knowhow of building a flying rocket. What's important is inside of engineers' brains, not in the book stacks.
@@fdc4810 👍👍👍👍👍
It’s not a prototype, it was a newly manufactured airplane. And it’s absolutely much larger than the A220s, with the same capacity as B737 and A320. So in conclusion: STFU
This is not an issue of superiority or inferiority; just extra requirements and precautions to ensure all systems and software are operationally validated and verified as robust during trials under different weather and load conditions. Safety and functionality must be proven before being issued with type and production certificates
The safety certification process for a new aircraft today takes far longer than it did in 1970. Today's airlines have more stringent requirements for their passenger aircraft. They will give up on you without hesitation as long as you waste more gas. If it were so easy to build an airplane, there wouldn’t be just a few airplane manufacturing companies now.
No In flight entertainment screens boo 👎🏼
Politically I cannot support your even being in China let alone hyping the plane. As an AvGeek, I am fascinated.
Mind you elaborate on your reasons a bit ?
Human rights bring pme
It is made with western tech and avionics. Even so its maiden passenger flight was a disaster. It flew to its destination and broke down . Yeah this is crap
No made in china for the rest of my life
instantly fail🤣
No chinese made aircraft will ever be purchased (or registered) in the EU or USA. Brush up on your geopolitics. Was this a freebie from China Eastern? If so please let us know in advance.
lol alright bro… Except that that isn’t necessarily the case. We don’t know who will buy these planes, but Ryanair has shown interest. Especially with parts coming from around the world
Over 50% of Comac C919 components are made by western companies, CFM Leap engines, Liebherr-Aerospace Landing gear and Honeywell APU, Flight Management systems. The largest market for aircraft is in China and is growing every year as more of the population becomes more wealthier so China could ban Boeing or Airbus if the Comac is fully sanctioned.
Way to much talking. Never met a vlogger who enjoys his own voice so much. Videos way to long
Hate to tell you that vlogging in nature involves lots of talking….. considering it started from “blogging” which was legit all words… not sure what you’re here for
@PatrickSheaAviation sad sack. Perhaps take note of what others are saying. Your vlogs are a waste of time. Your constant talking is excruciating.
I'd be scared of flying on a china plane
No peoples at airport
Conveniently ignored, half of the systems on this plane, including the engines, are imported.
And this is a problem how? You mean Boeing or airbus build every thing that goes in to their planes? Do they also make turbo fan engines too? Fact is, building a airliner is hard. See what happened to Mitsubishi SpaceJet for example. After 20 years of development, it was cancelled. Don’t tell me the Japanese are not good at building things right?
17:16
I wouldn’t fly on anything made in China.
Their engineers have actually come up with some great stuff. I also think of it a lot like the 787 whereas they source parts from around the globe, but assemble it all together in China
Boeing's first engineer is a Chinese named, Wong Tsu, a MIT graduate. Just imagine how many top university graduates are there working for Comac.
TOFU !!
nice