According to a TA manager I am friends with, the real reason the 10th Avenue station wasn't added is that the running time of the 7 would be too long to allow crews to do 5 round trips. It would limit the 7 to a maximum of 4 round trips per crew.
Also I know one argument was that unlike Hudson yards, this station would only serve existing residents and not create redevelopment... which sounds like a very bad excuse for not building it.
That sounds good to me but it would cut down the existing penalty jobs to just 8 hours. The 7 is a seniority line because of the OT build into the jobs. The 4 tripper would eliminate the $ and have a domino effect in the A Division by pushing ppl out of the remaining OT jobs.So unless you had super seniority on the other lines in either division your ass is going back to 8 hours.
@@Stanf954 not as much as you think. Four trippers if 10th Avenue station would be opened would make local running time 43 minutes and expresses 40, so they'd pay less, but still >10 hours. The biggest paying jobs currently are the 5 trippers out of Corona Yard, that pay almost 13.
"Obviously, this isn't as big of an issue as the transit deserts you can find in the outer borough" ... Say hello to Queens flashes across the screen. LOL. And they definitely should have built a station here. The MTA is the MTA ...
This station will probably be built in the future, I work for the MTA and the station has a station ID number and it’s station documentation as 41st-10av
Now I approve the idea of creating a 10th Ave station for the 7 which would be beneficial for those that live far west down 8th Ave, but an L train extension would be beneficial too via 10th Ave. It can run all the way down to 72 St(1/2/3). Here’s a few new stations for the L; 1) 18 St 2) 23 St 3) 34 St 4) 41-42 St(7, ) 5) 53 St 6) 66 St 7) 72 St(1/2/3) There you go!
I feel like the island platforms are fine (if not necessary) for terminal stations, but I think the best of both worlds would've been one swipe to both sides (like 116th or 103rd on the 1 line)
Def agree, that close to the end of the line it’s not like many people will get on going towards 34th so having separate fare control doesn’t make as much sense
One thing to also consider (re: 2:53 "…the east-west vlocks in Manhattan are generally longer than the north-south blocks") is that the east-west blocks are longer; the distance between 9th and 10th avenue is longer than that between 1st and 2nd.
Really glad that you recognize the cost bloat issue and the blatant lack of cost control that the MTA bumbles along with. This is, combined with an outmoded 1950s mindset to rail planning (seriously, demand driven scheduling models in 2022???!?!) are the two largest problems in New York rail transit today. Refreshing to hear somebody talk about this. Area you familiar with Alon Levy's work and that of the Transit Costs Project? They also harp on this issue quite a bit, making poignant global comparisons to places like Italy that have fixed such issues.
Regarding how other countries like Italy do it, it would help America a lot if many of its citizens took what I like to call 'studycations' (study vacations) of Europe, Scandinavia & Southeast Asia to see how things are done better there, like public transit.)
Between Hudson yards and times Square is a bit of a walk, so a station in between would be good. L extension is also plausible. Could make 2 branches along 10th Ave and across the Hudson to Secaucus
The more I see mta struggle to create new stations the more I wonder how it was built 100 years ago. Maybe it’s time to separate the subway from the bus network to control it better like how it was before it was unified under one company. Because how we have better technology and supposed skills but the newer stations all though looks nice that’s all it is no ease of access like for say the 18th street station. It’s hard to believe this is the same city where the subway was built cause it looks like it was installed by a thrid party company lol
@@CaseysTrainsThis is the result of subway (underground) stations being built differently. Most of those old stations would not have the latest amenities that are elevators and escalators. Those subway and elevated stations were designed to accommodate one kind of people: Those who are not too tall and are healthy in body.
100 years ago we had the same problems of transit projects getting delayed and going overbudget and having to build stations in less-than-ideal places due to NIMBYs. Most people just don't remember about it because the city ended up having to adapt around it.
RER west street line to link LIRR Atlantic terminal with penn station turning them into through stations like an elevated version of what they did in Philadelphia
It would become useless south of 14th Street as 11th Avenue pour out into 12Av which sits the Hudson river. And that it won't have an express option, making it a least favorite option. So ending it at 14th Street with tail tracks and an extended "L would be enough to please most people.
There should definitely be a station built at 10th Avenue on the 7. If anything, I imagine the station design would look similar to the stations found on the Elizabeth Line in London.
Finally! Someone mentions the L via 10th avenue! I think the L should be extended along 10th avenue and it can be able to connect to the 7 without having to get off at Union Sq and take the 4/5 or the 2/3 at 6 Av or even the ACE. I propose the L stops at 18th St, 23rd st, 34th st, 42nd st, 49th st, 57th st, 66th st, and 72nd st, where it meets with the 123 at 72nd st
Okay this is an good idea but I think the 7 line should be extended down to World Trade Center. Let’s hope the MTA does not make the Grand design and skyrocket the cost but I do think Island platforms are good. The stations can still look good with Mosaics, art, colored lights and being new and maybe a part should branch off to Penn Station.
I don't think WTC would be a great southern end for the 7 train. Rather, it should continue west under the Hudson River to Secaucus, NJ, better serving Hoboken and much of northern Hudson County. That way, there is a rapid transit alternative to going through the congested Lincoln Tunnel to the Port Authority Bus Terminal. As far as the design, I am a bit cool with the grand design on one condition: retail space be added on the mezzanine. As I keep looking at the Second Avenue Subway stations, all I am seeing is a huge waste of money since we have what looks like a second floor of a shopping mall and no revenue coming out of it. Having some retail space like a bakery (one of the stations in Canada has something like that) could allow for the MTA to get some of the construction money back, and it can provide a new avenue for revenue. I see people selling churros on the subway from the carts. Why not make it a storefront in the subway, complete with a new credit card terminal, increasing sales?
I think an indoor walkway to Port Authority which doesn't look too hard to build, would be needed to have a noticeable dent in Times Square passenger traffic. (Which would make walking inside from 5th to 10th avenue possible).
It will probably be hard now at least to make an entrance because the sidewalks are a bit to narrow (in some places) and where I think an entrance was supposed to be made in an area with a hole is now an in-construction building. Only way I know this is because I live around there (praying rn 😭)
That's precisely where a station should have been built,along with Hudson Yards-34 Street, 28 Street, 23 Street and a terminus at 14 Street- 10 Avenue,and extend the 'L' to 10 Avenue
@@nayten6898 Honestly, that's pretty useless as you already have a transfer to the (1/2/3) at 14th St. Also you have the 8th Avenue line which also connects to the (1) at 59th St-Columbus Circle.
@@iNevaan Those lines are a great distance from much of the far West Side, and won’t be able to accommodate any potential growth of the Hells Kitchen area. Clearly another line would be needed sooner or later.
I wouldn't mind seeing an L extension as well. Possible stops would be 14th St. - Chelsea Market, 23rd Street, 34th Street with a free transfer to the 7 at Javits or connection to Penn Station, and finally 10th Ave - PATB. It could be a great terminus and possibly alleviate transfers along the IRT lines as its a bit of slog on 14th Union Square to get to and from the L plat. to IRT plat. especially during rush hour. I can't really see the L going past 34th tho as the line is already long as it is (not saying is as long as the A train but the going from Chelsea to Canarsie is a long ride). There's also a proposed fan map on the 6sqft site shared with a breakdown.
@@MysticTransit what’s a poll is it a vote in community, since mystical station was chosen and fixing manhattan’s bus network in second does that mean you will do that next?
Well, it depends on the station. For smaller stations that are closer to street level, island platforms are unnecessary, and overly expensive, as they generally require a full mezzanine.
Why did the 7 extension take only a decade to build and cost 1 billion compared to SAS and ESA? I know there was less work to do but there was still a ton of other things involved
Environmental review, property acquisition, construction delays, etc. Things have changed since the 1900s, especially if you want the community to see the MTA as an ally.
You mentioned the idea of extending the L Train north along 10th Avenue, but I would love to see the 7 Train extended south from 34th Street-Hudson Yards to 14th Street where it could meet with a new terminus for the L Train somewhere near the High Line. I think it would be feasible given how expensive tunnelling even short distances has become and the tail tracks of the 7 Train already end at 25th Street. New stations at 11th Avenue-28th Street and 10th Avenue-23rd Street could be built and a terminal station for both the L Train and 7th Train would provide so much better connections at the same time as offering mass transit access from Brooklyn and Queens to popular tourist destinations like Chelsea Piers, the High Line, Hudson River Park and The Meatpacking District. The popularity of the High Line in particular has spurred greater luxury development in the neighborhoods it traverses and that justifies investment in mass transit IMO, especially since the 7 Train extension as it is is practically tailor-made for such a project.
I’d rather see the line go into NJ, as connections between NJ and NYC are currently inadequate. The Far West Side would be better served with extending the L train up 10th Avenue to 72nd Street, intersecting with the Flushing Line at 42nd/10th Avenues.
@@TheRailLeaguer On paper, I'm not an opponent of either extending the 7 Train to New Jersey or routing the L Train up 10th Avenue to 72nd Street. But I am also a realist and after studying the complicated decade-long struggle just to take the Second Avenue Subway a quarter of its proposed length to 96th Street (and the slow crawl to get the should-be less complicated Phase Two underway, even with existing tunnels), I just cannot envision the L Train going that far up the West Side. Considering the history of the Access to the Region's Core projec and it's resurrection as the Gateway Project- the former eliminated by petty politics and the latter is itself nowhere near major construction after more than a decade of development and commitments of federal funding- branching the 7 Train to Seacucus is probably doomed as a non-starter. The sad bottom line is politics, self-interested unions, city and state regulations, special interest groups and vocal community boards have pretty much combined to make mass transit expansion comparable to the IRT in 1904 or the Dual Contracts of 1913 all but impossible now. For that reason, I think only small extensions (which would be billed as "major projects", despite being anything but) are the only ones that nowadays have realistic chances of coming to fruition. That's why I believe extending the 7 Train to 14th Street and the L Train to meet each other at 10th Avenue is more viable, even though I'm aware no one in Albany or the MTA is giving it any serious thought. Still, Mystic Transit provides a good forum for sharing ideas and I think most of us will agree the MTA has its priorities completely wrong when it comes to infrastructure.
@@Hypestrike1 Maybe the L extension can be built in Phases, with Phase 1 going to 57th Street. There’s literally no reason to have the 7 train loop back east to 8th Avenue when other connections are sorely needed.
@@TheRailLeaguer Maybe so, but what if the history of the SAS repeats itself and decades pass between planning and construction of each phase and the L Train extension ultimately doesn't get far, if at all?
@@Hypestrike1 That’s why I’m suggesting two phases for the Canarsie Line extension. Phase 1 to 59th and Phase 2 to 72nd Street. I’m being realistic here, especially since an L train extension would serve Chelsea better than the 7 train.
It isn't a proposed station. It's not even possible to build a station there with the depth of the (7) at that location, and the proximity to the East River. The 42nd St Station on the Second Avenue Line will most likely just have a connection to the Grand Central complex.
The x train would exist then in Brooklyn a skip stop train,but I’m against that,also the 7 train station would connect to the port authority bus terminal and the a,c,e station is becoming crowded
Would the station be much closer to surface level since it wouldn't have crossover transfers? The development with rich people money is still happening so hopefully they have the political sway to get it built. They'll have to do one track service some nights and weekends to build up the platforms.
The city should build it because it'll provide much needed service to hell's Kitchen and if port authority bus terminal were to shut down people could use this station.and highly likely from everyone I talk to Is to extend the 7 down Manhattan either to WTC or south ferry
@@captainkeyboard1007 The extension doesn't need station stops it would run on the edge of Manhattan anyway far from the CBD, instead make it run nonstop to Chambers Street in downtown and then WTC
Really? I am all for that station to be built, but if you thing that station will spur development in that area, then you don't know the area. Developments continue to pop up there. I believe it is precisely the high end moneyed developments is why that station was not built.
It should have been 9th Avenue 41st Street Port authority bus terminal. Then passengers wouldn't have to walk a long corridor to get to the bus terminal.
The L is already aligned with Seacaucus Junction, so have the L go there. The 7 could also go to Jersey tho, but maybe head to Journal Square instead? With the 7 & L having an interchange in Hoboken near the river? And both lines having interchanges with the HBLR, of course.
@@GustavSvard The L would be better used for better serving the Far West Side via 10th Avenue, while it should be the 7 train extended to Secaucus to ease congestion in the Lincoln Tunnel.
@@williamerazo3921 well I think the issue isn’t that a station like the 1,2,3 platform at Times Sq isn’t that it’s an island platform, but it’s size. The 2nd Ave stations are all island platforms and have very little issue with over crowding. Or what about Grand Street for the B,D? Not island platforms but probably one of the worst stations because it’s too small for the amount of people who use it. Same with the previously mentioned Times Sq platform. They are like almost a century old. Made for a very different New York with a lot less people.
According to a TA manager I am friends with, the real reason the 10th Avenue station wasn't added is that the running time of the 7 would be too long to allow crews to do 5 round trips. It would limit the 7 to a maximum of 4 round trips per crew.
Interesting.
Also I know one argument was that unlike Hudson yards, this station would only serve existing residents and not create redevelopment... which sounds like a very bad excuse for not building it.
That sounds good to me but it would cut down the existing penalty jobs to just 8 hours. The 7 is a seniority line because of the OT build into the jobs. The 4 tripper would eliminate the $ and have a domino effect in the A Division by pushing ppl out of the remaining OT jobs.So unless you had super seniority on the other lines in either division your ass is going back to 8 hours.
@@Stanf954 not as much as you think. Four trippers if 10th Avenue station would be opened would make local running time 43 minutes and expresses 40, so they'd pay less, but still >10 hours. The biggest paying jobs currently are the 5 trippers out of Corona Yard, that pay almost 13.
"Obviously, this isn't as big of an issue as the transit deserts you can find in the outer borough" ... Say hello to Queens flashes across the screen. LOL.
And they definitely should have built a station here. The MTA is the MTA ...
This station will probably be built in the future, I work for the MTA and the station has a station ID number and it’s station documentation as 41st-10av
“The city is the city and we can never have anything good come when it comes to transit” 😂
I mean, it is true. 😂
@@MysticTransit Yeah. I wanna do something about it when I grow up, but if the city won’t cooperate, I won’t wanna be here
Nailed It!!
Reality lol
Great point about the pedestrian over crowding issue.
the grand subway designs are killing mta funding anymore more expansions
we absolutely need an extension from 8th ave to 10th ave on the L line. it would be so convenient
How about we rebuild the Ninth Avenue El?
Now I approve the idea of creating a 10th Ave station for the 7 which would be beneficial for those that live far west down 8th Ave, but an L train extension would be beneficial too via 10th Ave. It can run all the way down to 72 St(1/2/3). Here’s a few new stations for the L;
1) 18 St
2) 23 St
3) 34 St
4) 41-42 St(7, )
5) 53 St
6) 66 St
7) 72 St(1/2/3)
There you go!
I feel like the island platforms are fine (if not necessary) for terminal stations, but I think the best of both worlds would've been one swipe to both sides (like 116th or 103rd on the 1 line)
Def agree, that close to the end of the line it’s not like many people will get on going towards 34th so having separate fare control doesn’t make as much sense
One thing to also consider (re: 2:53 "…the east-west vlocks in Manhattan are generally longer than the north-south blocks") is that the east-west blocks are longer; the distance between 9th and 10th avenue is longer than that between 1st and 2nd.
Really glad that you recognize the cost bloat issue and the blatant lack of cost control that the MTA bumbles along with. This is, combined with an outmoded 1950s mindset to rail planning (seriously, demand driven scheduling models in 2022???!?!) are the two largest problems in New York rail transit today. Refreshing to hear somebody talk about this. Area you familiar with Alon Levy's work and that of the Transit Costs Project? They also harp on this issue quite a bit, making poignant global comparisons to places like Italy that have fixed such issues.
Regarding how other countries like Italy do it, it would help America a lot if many of its citizens took what I like to call 'studycations' (study vacations) of Europe, Scandinavia & Southeast Asia to see how things are done better there, like public transit.)
Between Hudson yards and times Square is a bit of a walk, so a station in between would be good.
L extension is also plausible. Could make 2 branches along 10th Ave and across the Hudson to Secaucus
The more I see mta struggle to create new stations the more I wonder how it was built 100 years ago. Maybe it’s time to separate the subway from the bus network to control it better like how it was before it was unified under one company. Because how we have better technology and supposed skills but the newer stations all though looks nice that’s all it is no ease of access like for say the 18th street station. It’s hard to believe this is the same city where the subway was built cause it looks like it was installed by a thrid party company lol
Subways were private companies back then and there was less people screaming "NoT iN mY bAcKyArD"
Listen, Imma speak how the words flow out my mouth and if it sounds uneducated, mind your business and let me look however you see it as.
@@CaseysTrainsThis is the result of subway (underground) stations being built differently. Most of those old stations would not have the latest amenities that are elevators and escalators. Those subway and elevated stations were designed to accommodate one kind of people: Those who are not too tall and are healthy in body.
100 years ago we had the same problems of transit projects getting delayed and going overbudget and having to build stations in less-than-ideal places due to NIMBYs. Most people just don't remember about it because the city ended up having to adapt around it.
@Tigger Official there wasn't? You can't confirm it.
I always thought that the 7 should be extended to Battery Park city via the west side of Manhattan.
It will be too long if. They did that but hey, the A is longer so I guess that can work
@@woodhulltransitauthority675 the problem isnt that its gonna be too long its that it’s gonna be too overcrowded
RER west street line to link LIRR Atlantic terminal with penn station turning them into through stations like an elevated version of what they did in Philadelphia
It would become useless south of 14th Street as 11th Avenue pour out into 12Av which sits the Hudson river. And that it won't have an express option, making it a least favorite option. So ending it at 14th Street with tail tracks and an extended "L would be enough to please most people.
There should definitely be a station built at 10th Avenue on the 7. If anything, I imagine the station design would look similar to the stations found on the Elizabeth Line in London.
3:53-This subway station look like a lot of stations here in Toronto (mainly the newer ones on the Sheppard Line, aka Line 4.)
Finally! Someone mentions the L via 10th avenue! I think the L should be extended along 10th avenue and it can be able to connect to the 7 without having to get off at Union Sq and take the 4/5 or the 2/3 at 6 Av or even the ACE. I propose the L stops at 18th St, 23rd st, 34th st, 42nd st, 49th st, 57th st, 66th st, and 72nd st, where it meets with the 123 at 72nd st
"Hey, aren't we supposed to craft a shell for a station here?"
"Nah, they said no."
"...Seems legit."
*builds a shell
*builds an emergency exit
**Everybody asks, why not just build the station
Okay this is an good idea but I think the 7 line should be extended down to World Trade Center. Let’s hope the MTA does not make the Grand design and skyrocket the cost but I do think Island platforms are good. The stations can still look good with Mosaics, art, colored lights and being new and maybe a part should branch off to Penn Station.
Actually, a long passageway with entrances and people mowers should be built for connections to multiple buildings and the Penn station
I don't think WTC would be a great southern end for the 7 train. Rather, it should continue west under the Hudson River to Secaucus, NJ, better serving Hoboken and much of northern Hudson County. That way, there is a rapid transit alternative to going through the congested Lincoln Tunnel to the Port Authority Bus Terminal.
As far as the design, I am a bit cool with the grand design on one condition: retail space be added on the mezzanine. As I keep looking at the Second Avenue Subway stations, all I am seeing is a huge waste of money since we have what looks like a second floor of a shopping mall and no revenue coming out of it. Having some retail space like a bakery (one of the stations in Canada has something like that) could allow for the MTA to get some of the construction money back, and it can provide a new avenue for revenue. I see people selling churros on the subway from the carts. Why not make it a storefront in the subway, complete with a new credit card terminal, increasing sales?
@@broyofroyo1207BroYoFroYo The word you may want is "movers," instead of "mowers."
Yes, “Mowers” is a mistake, thank you for reminding me
Nice! Can't wait for The 76th Street Video. 😉
Holy Shit lol, I didn't realize that someone already Commented about it, I found out after I Posted this.
1:56 "nope"
I think an indoor walkway to Port Authority which doesn't look too hard to build, would be needed to have a noticeable dent in Times Square passenger traffic. (Which would make walking inside from 5th to 10th avenue possible).
It will probably be hard now at least to make an entrance because the sidewalks are a bit to narrow (in some places) and where I think an entrance was supposed to be made in an area with a hole is now an in-construction building. Only way I know this is because I live around there (praying rn 😭)
Good video. Can you do the rumored 76 St Station on the C Line?
Definitely, although, I think I'll save that for April Fools next year.
Ain't gonna happen, but then, YOU NEVER KNOW.
I swore up and down they built a shell for this station. 🙄 This facking city can never get shit right.
As usual your videos are amazing man!!!!
That's precisely where a station should have been built,along with Hudson Yards-34 Street, 28 Street, 23 Street and a terminus at 14 Street- 10 Avenue,and extend the 'L' to 10 Avenue
Greetings! Glad to see you again buddy. You're doing well so far I hope.
Of course I am! I hope you are as well.
@@MysticTransit Absolutely affirmative!
I wouldn’t mind an L extension north from 8 Avenue to the Hudson Yards 7.
i think thats a great idea but i think it should be sent up to 72nd st on the 1/2/3
@@nayten6898 Honestly, that's pretty useless as you already have a transfer to the (1/2/3) at 14th St. Also you have the 8th Avenue line which also connects to the (1) at 59th St-Columbus Circle.
I also think it should be extended to 72nd St. I won't be revealing my reasons why just yet though.
@@iNevaan Those lines are a great distance from much of the far West Side, and won’t be able to accommodate any potential growth of the Hells Kitchen area. Clearly another line would be needed sooner or later.
I wouldn't mind seeing an L extension as well.
Possible stops would be 14th St. - Chelsea Market, 23rd Street, 34th Street with a free transfer to the 7 at Javits or connection to Penn Station, and finally 10th Ave - PATB.
It could be a great terminus and possibly alleviate transfers along the IRT lines as its a bit of slog on 14th Union Square to get to and from the L plat. to IRT plat. especially during rush hour. I can't really see the L going past 34th tho as the line is already long as it is (not saying is as long as the A train but the going from Chelsea to Canarsie is a long ride).
There's also a proposed fan map on the 6sqft site shared with a breakdown.
okay I have to watch this now what will you do this Friday Mystic Transit(please do fixing Manhattan’s bus network)
You will know what the next video is if you look at the results of the last poll.
@@MysticTransit what’s a poll is it a vote in community, since mystical station was chosen and fixing manhattan’s bus network in second does that mean you will do that next?
What's wrong with an island station platform?
Well, it depends on the station. For smaller stations that are closer to street level, island platforms are unnecessary, and overly expensive, as they generally require a full mezzanine.
Why did the 7 extension take only a decade to build and cost 1 billion compared to SAS and ESA? I know there was less work to do but there was still a ton of other things involved
Environmental review, property acquisition, construction delays, etc. Things have changed since the 1900s, especially if you want the community to see the MTA as an ally.
@@TheRailLeaguer that’s what he saying. He’s right tho. It’s was years compared to the 7
Lol the custom elevators probably played a role in that 1 billion dollar price tag 🥲
Custom or not, the elevators are he'd at _all_ subway stations in New York, especially because we are now more enlightened about mobility issues.
You mentioned the idea of extending the L Train north along 10th Avenue, but I would love to see the 7 Train extended south from 34th Street-Hudson Yards to 14th Street where it could meet with a new terminus for the L Train somewhere near the High Line.
I think it would be feasible given how expensive tunnelling even short distances has become and the tail tracks of the 7 Train already end at 25th Street. New stations at 11th Avenue-28th Street and 10th Avenue-23rd Street could be built and a terminal station for both the L Train and 7th Train would provide so much better connections at the same time as offering mass transit access from Brooklyn and Queens to popular tourist destinations like Chelsea Piers, the High Line, Hudson River Park and The Meatpacking District.
The popularity of the High Line in particular has spurred greater luxury development in the neighborhoods it traverses and that justifies investment in mass transit IMO, especially since the 7 Train extension as it is is practically tailor-made for such a project.
I’d rather see the line go into NJ, as connections between NJ and NYC are currently inadequate.
The Far West Side would be better served with extending the L train up 10th Avenue to 72nd Street, intersecting with the Flushing Line at 42nd/10th Avenues.
@@TheRailLeaguer On paper, I'm not an opponent of either extending the 7 Train to New Jersey or routing the L Train up 10th Avenue to 72nd Street.
But I am also a realist and after studying the complicated decade-long struggle just to take the Second Avenue Subway a quarter of its proposed length to 96th Street (and the slow crawl to get the should-be less complicated Phase Two underway, even with existing tunnels), I just cannot envision the L Train going that far up the West Side.
Considering the history of the Access to the Region's Core projec and it's resurrection as the Gateway Project- the former eliminated by petty politics and the latter is itself nowhere near major construction after more than a decade of development and commitments of federal funding- branching the 7 Train to Seacucus is probably doomed as a non-starter.
The sad bottom line is politics, self-interested unions, city and state regulations, special interest groups and vocal community boards have pretty much combined to make mass transit expansion comparable to the IRT in 1904 or the Dual Contracts of 1913 all but impossible now. For that reason, I think only small extensions (which would be billed as "major projects", despite being anything but) are the only ones that nowadays have realistic chances of coming to fruition. That's why I believe extending the 7 Train to 14th Street and the L Train to meet each other at 10th Avenue is more viable, even though I'm aware no one in Albany or the MTA is giving it any serious thought.
Still, Mystic Transit provides a good forum for sharing ideas and I think most of us will agree the MTA has its priorities completely wrong when it comes to infrastructure.
@@Hypestrike1 Maybe the L extension can be built in Phases, with Phase 1 going to 57th Street. There’s literally no reason to have the 7 train loop back east to 8th Avenue when other connections are sorely needed.
@@TheRailLeaguer Maybe so, but what if the history of the SAS repeats itself and decades pass between planning and construction of each phase and the L Train extension ultimately doesn't get far, if at all?
@@Hypestrike1 That’s why I’m suggesting two phases for the Canarsie Line extension. Phase 1 to 59th and Phase 2 to 72nd Street.
I’m being realistic here, especially since an L train extension would serve Chelsea better than the 7 train.
Second avenue is a proposed 7 train station because the t train needs a irt transfer in midtown Manhattan
It isn't a proposed station. It's not even possible to build a station there with the depth of the (7) at that location, and the proximity to the East River. The 42nd St Station on the Second Avenue Line will most likely just have a connection to the Grand Central complex.
@@MysticTransit How much space the 7 train is from street level at 2Av, It could possibly be the lower level of a station complex with the T
@@MysticTransit just extended the skittles train to second avenue
All I ever wanted, was my train to Staten Island....that is all
Would be a good station for employees from the MJQ depot to use. Oh well...
They need to build the 10th Avenue 7 Line Station. It’s necessary and long overdue.
The x train would exist then in Brooklyn a skip stop train,but I’m against that,also the 7 train station would connect to the port authority bus terminal and the a,c,e station is becoming crowded
X train is the roll sign they use for developmental routes.
@@dominickkoziol1581 it’s the o for b division,or zero train for the a division
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 I doubt it, I'm like 95% sure 0 is the internal designation for the 42nd St Shuttle
@@dominickkoziol1581 the b division lines use the military code names for each letter and O is omega,a division is in least to greatest order
It’s absolutely insane they didn’t build it, such a disgrace
Would the station be much closer to surface level since it wouldn't have crossover transfers? The development with rich people money is still happening so hopefully they have the political sway to get it built. They'll have to do one track service some nights and weekends to build up the platforms.
yes they should build 10th avenue. they need to pay just what it costs. NO BLOAT.
You should do 76th Street for April Fools of Next Year
lol. that is definitely on my list.
The city should build it because it'll provide much needed service to hell's Kitchen and if port authority bus terminal were to shut down people could use this station.and highly likely from everyone I talk to Is to extend the 7 down Manhattan either to WTC or south ferry
Such an extension would constitute lots of station stops and operating costs would be so high that it would call for a fare increase.
@@captainkeyboard1007 The extension doesn't need station stops it would run on the edge of Manhattan anyway far from the CBD, instead make it run nonstop to Chambers Street in downtown and then WTC
@@Vryheid Please let me know what does CBD stands for. Otherwise, I thank you for tapping or typing to me.
Really? I am all for that station to be built, but if you thing that station will spur development in that area, then you don't know the area. Developments continue to pop up there. I believe it is precisely the high end moneyed developments is why that station was not built.
It should have been 9th Avenue 41st Street Port authority bus terminal. Then passengers wouldn't have to walk a long corridor to get to the bus terminal.
10th Avenue seems to be better for neighborhood coverage overall.
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Typical MTA being cheap. It would really be nice to have the Ninth Avenue El back again.
yep that's the MTA never going your way👍
FR. Lmao
Why is there no station at 79th and 2nd ave?
There doesn't need to be. The Second Avenue Subway was built with long stop spacing to increase the speeds of trains in-between stations.
Well in that case, it would make my school commute more easier and I can walk less!
Do a video about subway surfers
Give me an hour. I got u.
Don't worry. It's new york city. It will never be built.
They should be building the tunnel to Secaucus New Jersey
I agree with you all the way.
The L is already aligned with Seacaucus Junction, so have the L go there.
The 7 could also go to Jersey tho, but maybe head to Journal Square instead? With the 7 & L having an interchange in Hoboken near the river? And both lines having interchanges with the HBLR, of course.
@@GustavSvard I never realized that about the L train. Union Square might get overcrowded though.
@@GustavSvard The L would be better used for better serving the Far West Side via 10th Avenue, while it should be the 7 train extended to Secaucus to ease congestion in the Lincoln Tunnel.
@@TheRailLeaguer Lincoln is getting an extra tunnel no need for 7 just add extra NJT stations.
Simple station design is good! You don't have to do extra nonsense.
Build.a.stop
building 10th street station sounds like a good idea
Agreed.
Are island platforms hated? I always thought they made more fiscal sense and had better ease of access for stations.
Crowd dwelling
@@williamerazo3921 what does that mean?
@@thatdonkey7215 it means to many people on the platform like times Sq IRT, creating overcrowding
@@williamerazo3921 well I think the issue isn’t that a station like the 1,2,3 platform at Times Sq isn’t that it’s an island platform, but it’s size. The 2nd Ave stations are all island platforms and have very little issue with over crowding. Or what about Grand Street for the B,D? Not island platforms but probably one of the worst stations because it’s too small for the amount of people who use it. Same with the previously mentioned Times Sq platform. They are like almost a century old. Made for a very different New York with a lot less people.
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